Any brand of lock of this type is known simply as a ‘Yale Lock’ in the U.K., demonstrating just how ubiquitous they are. This classic rim cylinder or night latch is a surprisingly nice challenge when you get a good bitting and a good lock to measure others to :-)
Hi Lock Noob, Memories ... when I started Locksmithing in the late fifties, the original Yale nightlatch was fitted to very many front doors, particularly on houses in Australia in the older suburbs. Lockwood locks were also very common of course. The older generation would always refer to any brand of lock as a " Yale" lock. The Yale nightlatch was my nemesis in those early days, as they were always fitted with mushroom pins - not spools. When confronted with the original Yale on a lockout, inevitably the mushroom pins came into play, and my boss and myself had no idea how to over come them - how things have changed. It sounds primitive today I know, but to pick locks we used bent spring wire, or ground down hacksaw blades - it was really hit and miss. A failed pick job was common, and we used to cut the cylinder ring, and with a special tool behind the lock cylinder, wrench the cylinder out of the door, and open the latch with a screw driver. Times sure have changed! Regards, Brian.
A great classic lock! I was happy at first that the various Sparrows locks I’ve received have been similarly bitted, as I’ve been able to pick them all with very little effort. That’s including the spooled and serrated ones in their Night School set. However, now that I’ve been doing this for a couple of months I’m ready for more challenging bitting, and I’m hoping the pin sets in their Reload Kit will provide that for me. Thanks again for another excellent and informative video, sir! Cheers from SoFlo (South Florida, USA)
Best advice so far... Just tried my old Yale lock, from my old flat... Struggling.... Even more so, as I've not picked a lock in aboit 3 weeks (busy).... Cheers for video 👍 I'll have another pop at it tomorrow
Just read through the comments and my thoughts were exactly the same ad Andy Alder. Stick the sold in 1 and 5 and see how different it picks. I have fitted lots of these Yale rim cylinders, along with era and sterling. I still use them on internal wooden doors. Not to mention dimple rim cylinders too.
A Good vid as always, very Nice picking ,a great lock for a newbie to have plenty of practicing with!! I have just got back 5 completly different rim locks back from Exeter, and i still have six out for practice in Yorkshire all good practice for a newb.
Was hoping to see the actual latch taken apart. I made 2 videos last week about the modern Ruko Night Latch, and would be interesting to see how different that era was designed.
The Yale and Union rim cylinder locks like that were highly popular when we had wooden front doors (I still do, but use a Chubb cylinder lock), but 25 years ago or so uPVC doors became very popular. They couldn't take rim cylinders, so that's when the Eurocylinder locks took over.
Yeah, I live around a LOT of Victorian and Edwardian houses that still have wooden doors... I’d say 1 in 4 still has a Yale night latch somewhere - some doors have a collection over them for reasons unknown :-)
Really informative video, thank you. Could you possibly do a video on changing the cylinder in a night latch like you showed in this video? I cannot find a guide on changing the cylinder on those with such a rectangular escutcheon or internal key locking handles.
These videos about old locks always bring back some nice memories from childhood. Nice. :) Oh , and , keyway was also "american" oriented (upside) , and that made operating lock even more confusing. :)
Days of wooden front doors with 2 or 3 locks on them with security hinges on them. :) Mine had 3 locks , 1 euro cylinder with antisnap plate around it , cruciform lock with 4 locking bars and deadbolt with night latch with interesting feature - reverse locking / unlocking. So , if You were about to lock the doors , You'd rotate key 3 times in unlocking direction and opposite if unlocking. That was handy , as rim cylinder was quite big crap , and I picked it as a kid with small swiss army knife. I did not knew back then that I could damage the lock , but found it funny to make my family think they messed up something while unlocking , and it wasn't that hard as they often did , due to weird locking orientation. 😂 We also used to have "anti detect" looking hole on doors , with tiny mirrors , so , if You were looking through it while lights were on and outside off , there wasn't "betraying" sign of light from it. :) Tho , it was quite chunky. :)
My flat was once target of burglary , so , it was the best we could afford at that time. Tho , antisnap plates weren't antidrill ones , but , it was still something.
I just played back the gutting section of your video at 0.5 speed and its wicked, you've got to try it, music was great at that speed I must say, you sound drunk though lol.. All the best mate ;-)
Am I correct that this can’t be picked if the button has been pressed? I have one with the little flick switch on the back that has been flicked and then the door shut. I’m thinking I will have to drill it out
is there any way to pick this lock if its locked in the inside? my 80 y/o mom made a mistake of locking herself in her room and eventually tripped on her rug and was unable to push open the door for an hour before she endured her leg pain and pushed the button, is there any way to open a night latch if its locked from the inside?
Just wondered if you know where to buy springs? I have a problem with missing springs for several of my locks. Bought some in a Sparrows kit once, but these dont fit the locks I have.
Mr lock expert, I am looking to buy a euro lock, which one would you recommend, a avocet abs or a era fortress, avocet has a magnet which could introduce metal slithers from your pocket, the era has a plain looking key, looks easier to pick to a layman, thanks
I fit doors etc for a living and these rim cylinders are not as common as you might think. I have a big box full of euro cylinders but only three of these. Which is a shame because I think they are much more beginner friendly! I struggle with 6 pin euro cylinders, 5's not so much, that extra pin seems to make a huge difference. I wish I had a few more simplistic locks to play with! Although I cant really complain when I get them all for free!!
good video👍I've picked a few of these,at first I found them quite challenging to single pick,but with practice I'm improving lol,for fast entries though it's quite scary just how fast they can be opened,with raking and bitch picking type methods. You definitely need another lock! But never leave your key in the second lock,as if a cat burglar did decide to choose your property,,,you leaving the key in the door will make things a lot easier for them!👀 take care and stay safe people!!!!✌❤
A couple of weeks ago let the dog out and then went to shut the gate. Doot closed, bummer. Luckily I has been trying to pick a 6 security pin one, with no success and put the tension bar and city rake in my pocket rather than putting it down. Few seconds later the door was open, a couple of hours later the 5 pin was replaced with the 6. As wood doors are replaced with modern uPVC ones they are vanishing slowly. They are simple, which means they are also cheap, £2-3 UK, same in $ for cheap ones.
@@LockNoob rim locks are not the most secure option anyway, which is why they are paired with a mortice lock or deadbolt. Usually made out of poor materials and the latch (bolt) is not as strong as it might initially look. A good impact will often bend the latch or break the keeper that the latch goes in to.
Could you bring the spools into play by just using them with the shorter keypins and put standards over the long ones? Possibly using other spools that are longer & standard drivers that are shorter, to keep the overall stack height in each chamber approximately the same. In other words, if the spools aren't coming into play & you don't want to get new keys cut, move them around in the bible to where they will trigger. It's something I've been curious about for a while & have casually dabbled with, when I have a key bitting that I like & merely want to upgrade or tune-up the lock with a bit of effort. I don't know enough about locksmithing to say whether that's a done thing or not.
Thank Noob for the excellent video! I know my response is a bit late from the original release. Since my venture into hobby picking I have been noticing more Yale locks out there in my area. Usually in building construction not residential. I became curious as to what types of pick challenges they present. Your content in this case was very helpful to me. Is this typical for Yale locks? Do they manufacture other higher security pin/tumbler variations? Thank again for your helpful review! Bob V
yale locks are popular in the uk? american locks made in china? don't jaguar, mclarean, bently or rolls make locks in china for the uk market and sell em at B & Q?
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Any brand of lock of this type is known simply as a ‘Yale Lock’ in the U.K., demonstrating just how ubiquitous they are. This classic rim cylinder or night latch is a surprisingly nice challenge when you get a good bitting and a good lock to measure others to :-)
Hi Lock Noob, Memories ... when I started Locksmithing in the late fifties, the original Yale nightlatch was fitted to very many front doors, particularly on houses in Australia in the older suburbs. Lockwood locks were also very common of course. The older generation would always refer to any brand of lock as a " Yale" lock. The Yale nightlatch was my nemesis in those early days, as they were always fitted with mushroom pins - not spools. When confronted with the original Yale on a lockout, inevitably the mushroom pins came into play, and my boss and myself had no idea how to over come them - how things have changed. It sounds primitive today I know, but to pick locks we used bent spring wire, or ground down hacksaw blades - it was really hit and miss. A failed pick job was common, and we used to cut the cylinder ring, and with a special tool behind the lock cylinder, wrench the cylinder out of the door, and open the latch with a screw driver. Times sure have changed! Regards, Brian.
very cool to see how the times have adapted with picking and this lock looks more challenging than your American standard home lock
Thanks for the great comment Brian, always appreciated :-)
A great classic lock! I was happy at first that the various Sparrows locks I’ve received have been similarly bitted, as I’ve been able to pick them all with very little effort. That’s including the spooled and serrated ones in their Night School set. However, now that I’ve been doing this for a couple of months I’m ready for more challenging bitting, and I’m hoping the pin sets in their Reload Kit will provide that for me. Thanks again for another excellent and informative video, sir! Cheers from SoFlo (South Florida, USA)
Thank you :-)
You’re welcome :-)
It is honourable of you to show the key in advance of the picking -- An honest pick, well done.
Thanks :-)
Best advice so far... Just tried my old Yale lock, from my old flat... Struggling.... Even more so, as I've not picked a lock in aboit 3 weeks (busy).... Cheers for video 👍 I'll have another pop at it tomorrow
They are a pretty good lock and not always a pushover happy picking 😃
How about putting the spools in 1 and 5 and then picking it again?
My thoughts exactly 👍🏻
I could do that :-)
@@LockNoob We eagerly await the video 😁
Just read through the comments and my thoughts were exactly the same ad Andy Alder. Stick the sold in 1 and 5 and see how different it picks.
I have fitted lots of these Yale rim cylinders, along with era and sterling. I still use them on internal wooden doors. Not to mention dimple rim cylinders too.
I thinks it’s a pretty good lock TBH Especially in combination :-)
A Good vid as always, very Nice picking ,a great lock for a newbie to have plenty of practicing with!! I have just got back 5 completly different rim locks back from Exeter, and i still have six out for practice in Yorkshire all good practice for a newb.
Yes, great for practicing :-)
Nice Classic Yale!!
Great picking.
👍👍👍👏🐈
Thank you :-)
Nice! Always a pleasure to watch you pick.
Thank you :-)
Was hoping to see the actual latch taken apart. I made 2 videos last week about the modern Ruko Night Latch, and would be interesting to see how different that era was designed.
I’ll do a vid on the ERA for sure :-)
Nice job on the picking. Looks like a simple but well made lock.
It is :-)
Thanks for the interesting info on Yale in the UK
Thanks :-)
The Yale and Union rim cylinder locks like that were highly popular when we had wooden front doors (I still do, but use a Chubb cylinder lock), but 25 years ago or so uPVC doors became very popular. They couldn't take rim cylinders, so that's when the Eurocylinder locks took over.
Yeah, I live around a LOT of Victorian and Edwardian houses that still have wooden doors... I’d say 1 in 4 still has a Yale night latch somewhere - some doors have a collection over them for reasons unknown :-)
Nicely done Ash on the grand Yale, have a good one my friend.
Banks friend :-)
Really informative video, thank you. Could you possibly do a video on changing the cylinder in a night latch like you showed in this video? I cannot find a guide on changing the cylinder on those with such a rectangular escutcheon or internal key locking handles.
You need a hollow follower that slides over the tail piece
These videos about old locks always bring back some nice memories from childhood. Nice. :) Oh , and , keyway was also "american" oriented (upside) , and that made operating lock even more confusing. :)
Glad you enjoyed my friend :-)
I always do my friend Ash. :)
Well done I thought you picked that fast and you showed why !
Excellent 👍 definitely a shame that the spools we're redundant !
Yeah, it is a bit of a shame :-)
Days of wooden front doors with 2 or 3 locks on them with security hinges on them. :) Mine had 3 locks , 1 euro cylinder with antisnap plate around it , cruciform lock with 4 locking bars and deadbolt with night latch with interesting feature - reverse locking / unlocking. So , if You were about to lock the doors , You'd rotate key 3 times in unlocking direction and opposite if unlocking. That was handy , as rim cylinder was quite big crap , and I picked it as a kid with small swiss army knife. I did not knew back then that I could damage the lock , but found it funny to make my family think they messed up something while unlocking , and it wasn't that hard as they often did , due to weird locking orientation. 😂
We also used to have "anti detect" looking hole on doors , with tiny mirrors , so , if You were looking through it while lights were on and outside off , there wasn't "betraying" sign of light from it. :) Tho , it was quite chunky. :)
That’s a lot of security!
My flat was once target of burglary , so , it was the best we could afford at that time. Tho , antisnap plates weren't antidrill ones , but , it was still something.
I just played back the gutting section of your video at 0.5 speed and its wicked, you've got to try it, music was great at that speed I must say, you sound drunk though lol.. All the best mate ;-)
I might have had a few, lol :-)
Very cool locks and nice picking My Friend
Thanks you my friend :-)
Am I correct that this can’t be picked if the button has been pressed? I have one with the little flick switch on the back that has been flicked and then the door shut. I’m thinking I will have to drill it out
Nicely done Ash mate. 👍🤘🖖🍻
Thanks DALP:-)
Awesome Ash my friend I've got a drawer full of these👍🇬🇧😊😎
They can be a good challenge with the right bitting too :-)
try putting the spools in chambers 1 and 5 instead?
Nice idea :-)
Nicely picked. I have come across a lot of Yale locks on older homes in Arizona.
Thanks for sharing. 👍👍👍👍🧡
Thank you :-)
Hi, you opened the lock with the key in a clockwise direction but with anti-clockwise tension, why.
Very well picked my friend, great video
Thanks our friend :-)
Great picking there LN shame the lock gave up without a fight very informative explanation of the working keep up the great vids. :)
Thanks 🙏
Hi what pick did you use? You said it really fast and couldnt make out the part after 08B...Thanks 👍
is there any way to pick this lock if its locked in the inside? my 80 y/o mom made a mistake of locking herself in her room and eventually tripped on her rug and was unable to push open the door for an hour before she endured her leg pain and pushed the button, is there any way to open a night latch if its locked from the inside?
Nice work, I was looking forward to one of these.
Thanks :-)
Just wondered if you know where to buy springs? I have a problem with missing springs for several of my locks. Bought some in a Sparrows kit once, but these dont fit the locks I have.
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@@LockNoob Thanks! didnt think of ebay
Do you like the gut wrench from sparrows?
I love it, then again, I designed it so...
Did that lock have any drillprotection in any form?
Not this one, I don’t think :-)
Nice video, I thoroughly enjoyed it👍
Thank you :-)
Name of the keyway please and thank you in advance!
YE1 I think
@@LockNoob hello thank you so much for your reply. I follow you on Instagram too... would you perhaps know the lishi tool name for y1 keyways?
Gotta love a good old Yale :)
Yo do! :-)
Mr lock expert, I am looking to buy a euro lock, which one would you recommend, a avocet abs or a era fortress, avocet has a magnet which could introduce metal slithers from your pocket, the era has a plain looking key, looks easier to pick to a layman, thanks
I personally like both but I’m not a locksmith so I can’t really advise you on your personal security needs, my apologies
@@LockNoob yeah that's fine, thanks for replying, subd your a good en,
Very much a classic, very nice!
Thanks :-)
i love learning about locks from other countries because you never know when or where your going to be TAKEN lol.
Lol :-)
Tried to rake it?
Actually, no but I should :-)
Could you shuffle the drivers to improve things ?
You could :-)
I fit doors etc for a living and these rim cylinders are not as common as you might think. I have a big box full of euro cylinders but only three of these. Which is a shame because I think they are much more beginner friendly! I struggle with 6 pin euro cylinders, 5's not so much, that extra pin seems to make a huge difference. I wish I had a few more simplistic locks to play with! Although I cant really complain when I get them all for free!!
No can’t complain about free locks :-)
good video👍I've picked a few of these,at first I found them quite challenging to single pick,but with practice I'm improving lol,for fast entries though it's quite scary just how fast they can be opened,with raking and bitch picking type methods. You definitely need another lock! But never leave your key in the second lock,as if a cat burglar did decide to choose your property,,,you leaving the key in the door will make things a lot easier for them!👀 take care and stay safe people!!!!✌❤
Loved the comment..."Do you you like the Gut Wrench, from Sparrows?" Ha.
Made me smile too :-)
A couple of weeks ago let the dog out and then went to shut the gate. Doot closed, bummer.
Luckily I has been trying to pick a 6 security pin one, with no success and put the tension bar and city rake in my pocket rather than putting it down. Few seconds later the door was open, a couple of hours later the 5 pin was replaced with the 6.
As wood doors are replaced with modern uPVC ones they are vanishing slowly. They are simple, which means they are also cheap, £2-3 UK, same in $ for cheap ones.
I like that you replaced it lol :-)
@@LockNoob rim locks are not the most secure option anyway, which is why they are paired with a mortice lock or deadbolt. Usually made out of poor materials and the latch (bolt) is not as strong as it might initially look. A good impact will often bend the latch or break the keeper that the latch goes in to.
Could you bring the spools into play by just using them with the shorter keypins and put standards over the long ones? Possibly using other spools that are longer & standard drivers that are shorter, to keep the overall stack height in each chamber approximately the same. In other words, if the spools aren't coming into play & you don't want to get new keys cut, move them around in the bible to where they will trigger.
It's something I've been curious about for a while & have casually dabbled with, when I have a key bitting that I like & merely want to upgrade or tune-up the lock with a bit of effort. I don't know enough about locksmithing to say whether that's a done thing or not.
Thank Noob for the excellent video! I know my response is a bit late from the original release. Since my venture into hobby picking I have been noticing more Yale locks out there in my area. Usually in building construction not residential. I became curious as to what types of pick challenges they present. Your content in this case was very helpful to me. Is this typical for Yale locks? Do they
manufacture other higher security pin/tumbler variations? Thank again for your helpful review! Bob V
They do higher security locks too. Look at the Yale Superior
i think i just noticed that uk locks open to the left and american to the right.
Not quite, most of our locks open clockwise too, though there are exceptions :-)
yale locks are popular in the uk? american locks made in china? don't jaguar, mclarean, bently or rolls make locks in china for the uk market and sell em at B & Q?
BandQ have either Yale, master or Chinese made home brands and nothing in between :-(
Special metal
Indeed :-)