Sehr beeindruckend ! Deine Sorgfalt, deine Objektivität und deine Fachkenntnisse sind bewundernswert. Vielen Dank für dieses wundervolle Review! Ein Genuss Zuzusehen!
I have been looking for such review. Thank you, Jimmy. This has cured my curiosity about their differences ever since I purchased the LLL lens. The LLL performs admirably. I have the collapsible version with M39. It 's almost permanently glued to my Leica's because it's so dinky small.
Thanks for the great review, it does show that with the ll8e they have achieved a true to the original version of this lens. I have a 1961 Leica 8e that much like the one you tested, was in a mint condition and recently CLA'd. It performs beautifully, but if I didn't already have it I would definitely like to purchase the ll8e.
I have the ll8e and am amazed at the output - glad to see your review Jimmy because I sometimes think I’m going mad at how much I like the image quality and wonder if it’s just me! (I also shoot two Summicrons and a 2.8 Summaron and the lll8e still holds its place in my setup)
Well done even toned review. I have a Ultron 35mm f2 and will probably keep it and possibly add the Apo-Lanthar 35mm. I like the smooth jazz background music and also enjoy watching the pooch running around in the back yard. I anxiously await your review of the 50mm f2 ridgid LLL as I'm considering that lens because the vintage Leica lenses all seem to have issues with hazing, fungus and mechanical problems.
I have/had a couple of vintage Leica glass (Summaron 35 2.8+3.5, Elmar 50, Summitar 50, Summicron 50 rigid, and mid-aged Tele-Elmarit, Summicron 50 V4, Summilux 35+50 V2) and never had any problems whatsoever.
I am curious as to how the new Rigid will perform (not the Rigid-SPII). I already own the LLL 50mm f2 Elcan and like to see a comparison between the two. I think the Rigid will be slightly longer than the Elcan so not as compact. I had a Leica 50mm f2 Dual Range but it would not work on my M9 so sold it and got the LLL Elcan
Really nice review, as allways. I have 3 versions of the LLL and this another good point for LLL: you can get them in black paint, chrome (real chrome), screw mount, collapsible or not. They are very very well built. I would also mention that you get some goodies with or can buy them from LLL, as for example black paint or chrome lenshoods, bp filters. I really like this company, the transport more spirit than Leica itself
Very informative video.. T thanks for sharing. Did you do these comparisons on a M11? I am thinking about buying this LLL lens to try out on my older M models.
@@ItisBean hmm I personally much prefer the 8-ele, but that’s just me. I don’t really enjoy shooting pre-asph summilux lenses wide open. Too much glow. But if you enjoy the character of the steel rim, I’d say you can skip the 8 element. Stopped down they are more similar than different.
Did you have the Leica UV filters on the lenses when testing? If I'm remembering correctly, I saw a test that showed using a filter on the LLL lens would noticeably increase veiling flare, which reduced contrast and color.
@@settingofthesuns I learnt my lesson in my 35mm comprehensive review lol. No I did not. All uv filters decrease contrast and creates tons of ceiling glare. I consider b+w filters the best ones out there, but in the first testing scenario, it made the asph Summicron look like the 8 element 😹
@@JimmyCheng Thanks, Jimmy! Goes to show how much variation there is out there for these old lenses. I guess if someone can't find a mint copy of the Leica like you have, then the LLL is the next best thing. I currently have their 8E in the Safari edition and love it. You should try their new Rigid replica next. I just got a black one and am trying it out. So far, I'm really impressed with it. Build quality is their best so far, too.
Excellent video! I was getting interested in this because of it's size. Do you have any opinions when it comes to size vs quality as compared to voigtlander ultron 35mm f2?
Great review Jimmy. I had the 8-elements lens from LLL and i love it! Can you make a comparison between the two 1966 50mm of leica and LLL. Version next?
Jimmy, did you find the LLL has a slight focus shift when shooting at f5.6? Try focus on some texts at f2 and then without changing your distance and focus, now change to f5.6 and shoot. Do you see a bit focus shift? It would be glad if you could reply me and let me know. I’ve a copy of LLL and it has a slight focus shift. Thank you.
@ Thanks for letting me know Jimmy. Cause I contacted LLL before and ask if they could help me to calibrate it, but LLL said it’s normal. There’s no other TH-camrs mentioning focus shift.
@ interesting, did your focus point move back that much not even the depth of field can cover? or it's just you notice the shift but the point of focus is still in focus?
I love your comparison videos, this one no exception.. This is very informative and interesting at the same time.. I would add just a little from my experiences of using 6 copies of the original Leica 8E and 3 copies of the LLL 8E.. It is clear that the LLL 8E was born from reverse engineering of an early serial no. Leica 8E.. And there is quite a noticeable difference in image rendering of early vs late SN original Leica 8E.. Not a single Leica 8E was the same from my experience, in terms of sharpness, periphery rendering, flare , and image glow at high contrast lines. They may be due to CLAs, but I can say for sure that the manufacturing methods in the early 8Es and the later 8Es are quite different.. The really funny thing is that even the LLL 8E differ in image outputs because they changed the lens coating along the way.. And again, thanks for the wonderful video,, and hope you keep it up.
thanks for the review, but would be better if u can show portrait comparison also. I think if u review LLL 50mm rigid, portrait comparison is a must. I remember, I bought summicron rigid after I saw thorsten ( portrait) review using that lens.
@@SuwanditryTan thanks for the comment. I mostly avoid portraiture in lens testing because the way human brains work with human face is very different from anything else. With good lighting and a pretty model, you can easily distort the perception of a lens (no matter how bad it is). I was in psychology, so I’m hyper sensitive about this lol. Anyways, I’ll consider putting a few portraiture samples when testing the 50s.
@@XboxTheBeatboxer it’s natural especially in the first set, the Leica lens is much more vibrant. The Leica coating is surprisingly more capable. Because if you look at the in door controlled shots, difference is minimal.
The Leica has the pop factor. I don’t know if it’s better contrast, micro contrast, better lens coating or what but it’s just slightly better. I am not a Leica guy at all. I shoot Sony but the Leica is just a smidge nicer.
@@greysuit17 exactly, also lots of 8E out there ain’t as good glass wise and could possibly render quite a bit softer and more hazy. I’ve had a few copies in the past and they all look a bit different. It’s safer to buy a new lens than some 60-70 year old ones.
My experience with this lens has not been the best Starting with the fact that only one of the four was suitable for my purchase One had a focus ring with noticeable backlash, the second was not properly calibrated and did not focus properly, the third had sharpness issues and only the fourth was in serviceable condition but it did not focus accurately at infinity. I used it for about a year and recently sold it. This lens does have a beautiful rendering, but not the smoothest and most even focus ring travel, awkward infinity lock and severe vignetting were the reasons for the sale.
@@DerStiglitz I’m sorry to hear that. I guess my experience has been pretty lucky then. The lens is sharp and on point when focusing using the rangefinder. The focus ring is also quite smooth. Let’s see how it ages.
Thanks Jimmy. Been waiting a while for a good review of this lens. I am on the fence about getting a zeiss C 2.8 or this. I know the images are different but i was still unsure about the LLL. I manily shoot at f8 and like the size of the zeiss. What would your opinion be? I can get either at a good price used. Thanks again!
these 2 lenses are drastically different. As you can see the LLL is even less contrasty than the original. If you've watched my 35 summicron comprehensive review, you know that the original 8 ele is already the least contrast of them all. Zeiss being a tad more contrasty than even the most contrasty summicron, it would be significantly more constrasty than the LLL. All those talk are about wide open though. At f8, any of these lenses are more similar than different. Size is not a factor here since this lens is as small as the zeiss. I would either pick the voigtlander 35 ultron or this over the zeiss personally for the larger aperture opening.
Sehr beeindruckend ! Deine Sorgfalt, deine Objektivität und deine Fachkenntnisse sind bewundernswert. Vielen Dank für dieses wundervolle Review! Ein Genuss Zuzusehen!
I have been looking for such review. Thank you, Jimmy. This has cured my curiosity about their differences ever since I purchased the LLL lens. The LLL performs admirably. I have the collapsible version with M39. It 's almost permanently glued to my Leica's because it's so dinky small.
@@erichung9043 awesome! I’m glad you found it helpful.
I’ve had the LLL since the first release on rangefinderforum. Got it custom engraved too! Really happy with the lens.
Thanks for the great review, it does show that with the ll8e they have achieved a true to the original version of this lens. I have a 1961 Leica 8e that much like the one you tested, was in a mint condition and recently CLA'd. It performs beautifully, but if I didn't already have it I would definitely like to purchase the ll8e.
I have the ll8e and am amazed at the output - glad to see your review Jimmy because I sometimes think I’m going mad at how much I like the image quality and wonder if it’s just me! (I also shoot two Summicrons and a 2.8 Summaron and the lll8e still holds its place in my setup)
Well done even toned review. I have a Ultron 35mm f2 and will probably keep it and possibly add the Apo-Lanthar 35mm. I like the smooth jazz background music and also enjoy watching the pooch running around in the back yard.
I anxiously await your review of the 50mm f2 ridgid LLL as I'm considering that lens because the vintage Leica lenses all seem to have issues with hazing, fungus and mechanical problems.
@@jayderose753 I’m glad you enjoyed it! I’ll be doing the rigid review soon
I have/had a couple of vintage Leica glass (Summaron 35 2.8+3.5, Elmar 50, Summitar 50, Summicron 50 rigid, and mid-aged Tele-Elmarit, Summicron 50 V4, Summilux 35+50 V2) and never had any problems whatsoever.
I am curious as to how the new Rigid will perform (not the Rigid-SPII). I already own the LLL 50mm f2 Elcan and like to see a comparison between the two. I think the Rigid will be slightly longer than the Elcan so not as compact. I had a Leica 50mm f2 Dual Range but it would not work on my M9 so sold it and got the LLL Elcan
This was great. Thank you.
finally等到了！
Great video. Thank you.
lovely review! pretty soon and fast too
Really nice review, as allways. I have 3 versions of the LLL and this another good point for LLL: you can get them in black paint, chrome (real chrome), screw mount, collapsible or not. They are very very well built. I would also mention that you get some goodies with or can buy them from LLL, as for example black paint or chrome lenshoods, bp filters. I really like this company, the transport more spirit than Leica itself
@@webersteve1547 agreed. Leica has been on a slippery slope these days. I miss these tiny high performance lenses
excellent video and comparison, thank you!
Very informative video.. T thanks for sharing. Did you do these comparisons on a M11? I am thinking about buying this LLL lens to try out on my older M models.
@@wilfredshum3703 yes on m11
Would you get the the 8 elements if you already have a steel rim? Given that funds are limited 😅
@@ItisBean hmm I personally much prefer the 8-ele, but that’s just me. I don’t really enjoy shooting pre-asph summilux lenses wide open. Too much glow. But if you enjoy the character of the steel rim, I’d say you can skip the 8 element. Stopped down they are more similar than different.
I would prefer the Summicron. The Summilux is almost unusable wider open, it is to soft
@@webersteve1547 but u pretty much have 2 lens in 1.
I’ve had my LLL 35mm for 3 years now and it’s a great lens….works well rendering wise with M11….
Did you have the Leica UV filters on the lenses when testing? If I'm remembering correctly, I saw a test that showed using a filter on the LLL lens would noticeably increase veiling flare, which reduced contrast and color.
@@settingofthesuns I learnt my lesson in my 35mm comprehensive review lol. No I did not. All uv filters decrease contrast and creates tons of ceiling glare. I consider b+w filters the best ones out there, but in the first testing scenario, it made the asph Summicron look like the 8 element 😹
@@JimmyCheng Thanks, Jimmy! Goes to show how much variation there is out there for these old lenses. I guess if someone can't find a mint copy of the Leica like you have, then the LLL is the next best thing. I currently have their 8E in the Safari edition and love it. You should try their new Rigid replica next. I just got a black one and am trying it out. So far, I'm really impressed with it. Build quality is their best so far, too.
@ rigid is one of my favourite lenses. And yes it’s on the way!
Excellent video! I was getting interested in this because of it's size. Do you have any opinions when it comes to size vs quality as compared to voigtlander ultron 35mm f2?
Great review Jimmy. I had the 8-elements lens from LLL and i love it! Can you make a comparison between the two 1966 50mm of leica and LLL. Version next?
Jimmy, did you find the LLL has a slight focus shift when shooting at f5.6? Try focus on some texts at f2 and then without changing your distance and focus, now change to f5.6 and shoot. Do you see a bit focus shift? It would be glad if you could reply me and let me know. I’ve a copy of LLL and it has a slight focus shift. Thank you.
@@marvinling1434 yes there’s a little bit, but what should be sharp is still sharp in my case due to depth of field change.
@ Thanks for letting me know Jimmy. Cause I contacted LLL before and ask if they could help me to calibrate it, but LLL said it’s normal. There’s no other TH-camrs mentioning focus shift.
@ interesting, did your focus point move back that much not even the depth of field can cover? or it's just you notice the shift but the point of focus is still in focus?
@@JimmyCheng Still focus. If I focusing on fine texts at around 2 meters at f2 it’s sharp and change to f5.6 the text is less sharp.
Thanks so much. I loved this lens and now I have arguments to support it.
MY MAN JIMMY
Where did you buy yours?
@@jarodluebbert from China
I love your comparison videos, this one no exception.. This is very informative and interesting at the same time.. I would add just a little from my experiences of using 6 copies of the original Leica 8E and 3 copies of the LLL 8E.. It is clear that the LLL 8E was born from reverse engineering of an early serial no. Leica 8E.. And there is quite a noticeable difference in image rendering of early vs late SN original Leica 8E.. Not a single Leica 8E was the same from my experience, in terms of sharpness, periphery rendering, flare , and image glow at high contrast lines. They may be due to CLAs, but I can say for sure that the manufacturing methods in the early 8Es and the later 8Es are quite different.. The really funny thing is that even the LLL 8E differ in image outputs because they changed the lens coating along the way.. And again, thanks for the wonderful video,, and hope you keep it up.
@@songchangeun that’s quite interesting observation. Thanks for sharing your experience!
thanks for the review, but would be better if u can show portrait comparison also. I think if u review LLL 50mm rigid, portrait comparison is a must. I remember, I bought summicron rigid after I saw thorsten ( portrait) review using that lens.
@@SuwanditryTan thanks for the comment. I mostly avoid portraiture in lens testing because the way human brains work with human face is very different from anything else. With good lighting and a pretty model, you can easily distort the perception of a lens (no matter how bad it is). I was in psychology, so I’m hyper sensitive about this lol. Anyways, I’ll consider putting a few portraiture samples when testing the 50s.
wow. good point of view ! , I just think that human face is a good sample to show how well the lens handle sharpness, light and shadow.
I use the LLL more than my 35mm fle. Especially good with 400D film
My eye is consistently drawn to the Leica images.
@@XboxTheBeatboxer it’s natural especially in the first set, the Leica lens is much more vibrant. The Leica coating is surprisingly more capable. Because if you look at the in door controlled shots, difference is minimal.
The Leica has the pop factor. I don’t know if it’s better contrast, micro contrast, better lens coating or what but it’s just slightly better. I am not a Leica guy at all. I shoot Sony but the Leica is just a smidge nicer.
@@greysuit17 in this test, yes. The Leica lens is much more vibrant.
@ not sure if the price difference warrants the Leica though, they were extremely close.
@@greysuit17 exactly, also lots of 8E out there ain’t as good glass wise and could possibly render quite a bit softer and more hazy. I’ve had a few copies in the past and they all look a bit different. It’s safer to buy a new lens than some 60-70 year old ones.
My experience with this lens has not been the best
Starting with the fact that only one of the four was suitable for my purchase
One had a focus ring with noticeable backlash, the second was not properly calibrated and did not focus properly, the third had sharpness issues and only the fourth was in serviceable condition but it did not focus accurately at infinity.
I used it for about a year and recently sold it.
This lens does have a beautiful rendering, but not the smoothest and most even focus ring travel, awkward infinity lock and severe vignetting were the reasons for the sale.
@@DerStiglitz I’m sorry to hear that. I guess my experience has been pretty lucky then. The lens is sharp and on point when focusing using the rangefinder. The focus ring is also quite smooth. Let’s see how it ages.
Thanks Jimmy. Been waiting a while for a good review of this lens. I am on the fence about getting a zeiss C 2.8 or this. I know the images are different but i was still unsure about the LLL. I manily shoot at f8 and like the size of the zeiss. What would your opinion be? I can get either at a good price used. Thanks again!
these 2 lenses are drastically different. As you can see the LLL is even less contrasty than the original. If you've watched my 35 summicron comprehensive review, you know that the original 8 ele is already the least contrast of them all. Zeiss being a tad more contrasty than even the most contrasty summicron, it would be significantly more constrasty than the LLL. All those talk are about wide open though. At f8, any of these lenses are more similar than different. Size is not a factor here since this lens is as small as the zeiss. I would either pick the voigtlander 35 ultron or this over the zeiss personally for the larger aperture opening.