The Stockport to Stalybridge Parliamentary Train
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ต.ค. 2016
- This once-a-week parliamentary service is probably the most famous on Britain's railways. I decided to go and do it on video, and took my friend Karl with me. When we travelled it was running once a week on Friday's only, at 09:22 from Stockport.
KLF/Jamms "It's grim up north" - • Video
"I don't get excited about rolling stock" [beat] "OH THERE'S A PACER"
Was about to comment that hahaha funny
“I don’t really get excited about rolling stock...oooh a Pacer!” 😂
And it hasn't had its seats replaced with ones that give you less leg room!!
That's the task of a train fan.
5:06 Son as his Dad, thats me I got the train from Reddish South - Guide Bridge for a valid reason. This should be a proper service
I've heard that 142001 will be preserved at the National Railway Museum. And you have video proof of what day you rode on it!
How did he not got excited about that?
@@juliettebravosprteam4072 i guess he just didnt know
@@juliettebravosprteam4072 because this is from several years ago. The Pacers only began being withdrawn last year.
Not bad for a parts donor when it was based at Exeter depot. They returned it to operational state IIRC.
It's at locomotiveion neer Newcastle
Geoff I love your enthusiasm and how happy you are in your videos!
If there's anything positive to come from the timetable change from May 2018, it was the Stockport to Stalybridge getting a service increase, well, switched to Saturday morning and getting a return service anyway
Lived in Edgeley circa 2005/06 during the major west coast mainline upgrades. Stockport to Piccadilly is about a ten minute journey. Diversion went through Reddish South, then peeled off at Ashton and went through Collyhurst into Victoria. Took about 45 minutes, but trundling along that route on a big Virgin train was an interesting journey...
Stockport - just down the road from me. Stockport Station rejoices in a very rare platform: Platform 0. And sometimes the sun does shine!
The Pacer is an absolutely ingenious, if not slightly hideous; invention.
It- uh.... does its job very effectively, yes :)
Train Maniac Indeed. They've just long outlived their design life and are in dire need of replacement.
Summers afternoon, rattling down the.... Harrogate line is it? Is great fun in the holidays. A wet and cold Octobers morning in the middle of rush hour is slightly less desirable. As far as i can see the Pacers are going to get another face-lift and carry on for another 10ish years. It is a lot cheaper and is a proven method, especially down in the south. Back when i was little Connex still operated some clapped out 1950's EMU'S up until 2005. Oh the fun i had with those units... ;)
Train Maniac I believe they're planning to replace some on the Welsh lines with modified former London Underground D-Stock which have been given diesel engines, but don't quote me on that one.
I can tell you that all of the Northern Pacers are to be replaced by 2019, and to be sent for scrap. The one's in Wales also have to be replaced or fully rebuilt internally by 2019, to be compliant with new Disability regulations. I believe the plan is to replace them with Electric trains (Class 315s from TfL rail) after the completion of electrification on the Valley lines, expected by 2019.
you could have saved yourself £4. The south Pennines DayRanger is valid on the Stockport - Stalybridge line
That particular rover is valid from 08:45. Keeping a ticket from the journey is a good idea.
I thought rovers were off-peak only! The train departs Stockport at 09:27 which is just 3 minutes short of the off-peak time and therefore rovers and rangers wouldn't be valid on it!
Colin Pratt Maybe he wanted to keep the ticket as a souvenir. But the above comment could be the reason.
I just assumed it was because he wanted to boost the passenger numbers by buying a ticket to the least used station
It's not a least used station episode
This used to be a very useful way to avoid Manchester, I used to travel from Newcastle upon Tyne to Stone, and you had to change stations in Manchester (Victoria to Piccadilly). The train from Stalybridge would let you catch the same train that you would have caught at Piccadilly, joining at Stockport. That was when Railways were a proper service!
Me, too! - Lived in Newcastle, travelled down to Stafford, en route to agricultural college near Newport. 1968, so a fair while back. Both were elevated stations, so at Stalybridge you got a splendid rooftop view of the chemical works. - Oh, the glamour of rail travel!
Love watching this one - the time you visited my local station
he visited my local on this one aswell
One of the few times I go to London, typically just has to be the time when Geoff goes past my house! (The line runs less than 60 meters away from my bedroom window)
God himself would stand on A Huddersfield-Manchester train
It's nice to see a video based up in the north. Some interesting places and routes
I remember doing this line in the early 2000's when the service still ran Stockport - Stalybridge and at that time used the old Class 101 units - made the line even more unique!
I remember traveling this line back in the early 80's. I live in the North east and I had a works permit for Crewe works. The route we took was Aycliffe to Darlington on a 101 DMU. Darlington to Stalybridge on one of the old transpennine services. Stalybridge to Stockport on a single car DMU then Stockport to Crewe on a 304 EMU. Happy days. :)
just thought id post an update on the stockport to Stalybridge service its changing to Saturdays from may ....In the 20 May 2018 timetable changes, Northern are introducing a second journey on the line, as well as shifting the day of operation. The first train will depart Stalybridge at 08:46 to arrive into Stockport at 09:09, this train will have the reporting number 2J44.[11] The train will then make a return journey leaving Stockport at 09:45 and arriving into Stalybridge at 10:06, with the original train reporting number, 2J45.[12] These services will operate every Saturday from 26 May 2018, instead of Fridays as in previous years, and will call at the intermediate stations on both journeys. This means that Reddish South and Denton will receive two passenger services per week in the timetable for the first time since 1992.
Thanks for that information. It makes getting to Stockport from Stalybridge for the day easier, instead of the current 2 buses each way and as a bonus, as it is a Saturday (weekend) there is no time restriction so I can use my Greater Manchester Bus Pass, which doesn't start until 09.30 on weekdays.
Great video Geoff. Keep them coming, please!
Travelling round on trains is the best thing in my opinion!
Recently I did a round trip from Wrexham (near Chester) up to Edinburgh (via the West Coast Mainline). I then did the entire length of the 'new' Edinburgh tram line and then went to Tweedbank and back (on the new Waverley Line - but you'd know that ;) ). I then travelled back down south on the East Coast Main Line to Peterborough and then across the Fens home to Cambridge... and all in a single day! We had a few tight changes - but everything ran to time (surprisingly enough). Furthermore, we managed to get it to around £100 for the 3 of us - that's quite a deal!
Keep making these videos - they are really enjoyable to watch!
How did you get it so cheap?!?
DSQueenie Advanced booking, family railcard etc.
Interestingly, it cost £24 for the 3 of us to get from Wrexham to Crewe (52 km) and £24 to get from Crewe to Edinburgh (380 km)! That's the state of the ticketing system these days :D
5:13 Do you mean "there are about 19 people on this BUS?" :P
Haha
MarkTraveller d
The Class 142's or 'Pacers' were originally buses, but due to funding issues, old buses were converted into trains in a bid to save money.
Who doesn't know that?
Ikr?
I may have a go on this train one day. I really should as I live in Stalybridge. I know this is about trains, I like them and I like Geoff's channel and watch his from the South East area. It may be worth it, in time putting trams on this route (mixed rail) to link up to Stockport, if they ever expand the Greater Manchester tram network from Manchester to Stockport, sort of a circle line with Stalybridge at the end, running Stalybridge (mixed rail) to Stockport, Stockport to Manchester, Manchester via Ashton under Lyne (mixed rail) to Stalybridge and reverse.
I hope you enjoyed your time in the most wonderful city in the UK Geoff! I would apologise for the weather, but I have to put up with it all year round!
I like the Transpennine Express class 185's. Used one going to Scarborough, very smooth for a DMU and quick acceleration
You should do the Tyne and Wear Metro
Me and my dad did the CAMRA pennines train station pub crawl in 2001 York-Huddersfield- Dewsbury--Marsden - Stalybridge - Leeds--York. I was only 15 at the time so I was only drinking carling or budweiser while my dad was drinking all these real ales. I know what I prefer now!
Happy days, we slept most of the way home!
“Are you THE Londonist?!”
he sometimes does videos for them
he is
We have something similar to that where I live, the 2300 Birmingham New Street to Worcester Shrub Hill is extended to Gloucester on Fridays only and has no return passenger service.
It is also good to see 142001 is still working, it has been a while since I last saw it, and that was in Devon!
ahhh the joys of a packed transpennie train ! in the summer with the air con broke ! sends shivers down my spine !
Well, you did a thing and had a day round the north! Was fun following the tweets/periscopes as you went as well. Glossop.
Hello Geoff I just wanted to say I still remember how nice and friendly you were when I met you in the Upminster depot and I wanted to also say I still have your autograph and I look after it and it is cherished thank you Geoff
I find myself watching 5yo Geoff content, still coming up on the TH-cam homepage suggestions!
Another suggestion Geoff. The Saturdays only service ( 3 trains each way) from Sheffield to Cleethorpes via Gainsborough. I would imagine the least used of the three stations of which these are the only trains per week would be Kirton Lindsey
Love the new transpennine trains...expect when they're full of lads heading from Grimsby to Ibiza via Manchester Airport
I used to catch this train in both directions in the 60s to attend school in Stockport. Occasionally it was steam-hauled-I can remember Edgeley's Ivatt 2-6-2Ts on this duty.
that is 1 great video Geoff and 1 service that I have been on both ways
I'm from Stalybridge so this is all too familiar to me! Not actually been on the parly yet, but I've often seen folks getting off of a Friday morning.
The TransPennine in new grey livery was a good spot, it's only one out of two carrying it at the moment, they're waiting to refurb the trains before they do them all.
I we on this train because it was a parliamentary train. There were about 50 passengers, a band and a sing song. Great fun to meet those trying to reopen the line and all the supporters. I remember that it was raining.
Bet it's different riding those clanky old pacers compared to the trains here in London! I much prefer the Underground for efficiency, but that's my opinion. Loving these vlogs, please do keep them coming!
Cheers,
Matt
In October 1980 I travelled from Beverley in Yorkshire to Hereford which involved 6 changes of train. They all connected and one of the links in the chain was from Stalybridge to Stockport. It was a bleak line even then, but it helped me arrive in Hereford on time! So sad to see it downgraded thus.
I actually used this line in the mid 70s: it was a good short cut from the WCML to Huddersfield.
Love it, Geoff!
Stockport Grand Central probably uses the roundel as that whole development including McD's used to be the coal yard up until the mid 80's. So they were probably trying to keep the links to the railway heritage.
Wow 2005 pictures so high quality!
Loved Karl's comment about TransPennine being packed. They're often late too. 0812 to Scarborough from Leeds that I get to work is late 9 times out of ten and the 17:39 I often get back from Garforth to Leeds is just packed.
would seem to indicate a poss passengers for south of manchester - like stockport , on such tpe services
Interesting to see that you went on 153322 - that unit must have gone to East Anglia not long after you went on it. I've travelled on it several times on Felixstowe Branch services. It is named 'Benjamin Britten'.
I've been on 142001 before from Squires Gate in Blackpool to Preston
Gotta love Stalyvegas and the pub on the platform
I've done that line on a steam hauled railtour and we stopped at Denton for water!
Geoff. A suggestion for a 'Limited Service' video. Polesworth in Staffordshire gets just 1 train a day that gets there at 07:23 (07:26 Saturday's). It is served by a Northampton - Crewe service, and to continue your journey from here you have to get a bus to Tamworth. Happy Travels!
I'd bring up the Walsall to Wolverhampton line, but then again, you wouldn't really want to go to Walsall or Wolverhampton.
was just going to say about Pilning Geoff because of it's limited service lol! Which i'm pretty sure I have been to (or at least passed, but not on purpose, it was just per-chance)
Yamzeh Speak for yourself 😉
Stalybridge station has a song written about it by a group called The five song piece.
This train runs on a Saturday now and surprisingly enough it works both ways!
They have a return service now! As of 2020 the service now runs on a Saturday, the outbound leaves Stalybridge at 8:46 and the return leaves Stockport at 9:45.
142001 use to have a Devon flag from when it was least to First Great Western, Although returning from Exeter in 2011 I think still there in one of centre cab windows.
Geoff mate, you should've done a meet up, next time you're in Liverpool/Manchester let us know
Oh god the 185's look terrible in that livery now! Great video Geoff.
The middle finger at the end 😂
last time I did this route, the train left from a bay platform at Stockport .... apparently now there is a return trip.
For those wondering why it exists like this -
Before 1989, all TransPennine services coming in from Stalybridge/Huddersfield (and beyond) ran to Manchester Victoria - and as this was 28 years before the Ordsall Chord, and a good few years before any Metrolink lines, the only way of then continuing a journey south towards Stockport/Sheffield/Crewe and beyond would be to walk to Piccadilly - and it made Manchester simply an inconvenient place for onward travel between these two places.
For this reason, before May 1989, hourly services from Stalybridge to Stockport ran (calling at the intermediate stations too), and this was the main official connection from Stockport (and beyond) to Yorkshire.
In May 1989, for the first time, TransPennine services in from Stalybridge and Yorkshire began to terminate (or run through) Piccadilly and therefore the connection to the south here was simple and easy - and made the Stockport-Stalybridge link nigh on redundant.
Initially, trains reduced to around 3-4 per day if that - but by 1991 it had become today's ghost service
I live a few miles from this line, Denton is nearby but there are more people who don't know it exists...
The Greater Manchester Day Ranger is actually valid until Greenfield, two stops on from Stalybridge.
Nice to see you in the north (well, northish) Geoff
142 001 is now in the National Collection at NRM Shildon but moving to York "soon"
Great vid Geoff, I did this a while back and made a vid, did you see the friends of Denton and Reddish South? When will you come to GM again?
I may ride that one day!
You seem to find 142s exciting.
When you've lived up here all your life you get (literally) sick at 142s.
DID YOU KNOW: There are people who get on every Friday as a hobby.
I knew that, want to do in the christmas hols hammer?
I may be in Manchester in xmas hols!
Rest in piss, 142s.
How exciting!
I'm from Denton and its once a week train is famous nearby. Is really bizarre when the next town of a similar size, Hyde (where I've also lived) has 5 fully operational stations! (6 if you count Hattersley)
Do you know if that's the same Denton as was used in an episode of A Touch of Frost?
@@RichardWatt not the same Denton. That Denton is fictional.
Do the secrets of the Metrolink trams Manchester
There's nothing better than a London sunny day
Wish I'd known you were up here... I'd have come to say hello!
I must find and follow you on twitter then ;-)
I’m very upset about how excited I was you went to Stockport because that’s where I’m from. It does always rain, Woodley station is mine and it’s slightly more used
Ok...
Which twelve year old painted the 'jaws' on those doors at the end of the video...?
gotta love the transpennine express!
there's a shop in my home town (Sheffield) that also uses the Roundel as it's logo!
copyright! lel
Seem to be a few places in Shef going for the LU roundel effect...
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goo.gl/maps/H46V5NnCjAr
goo.gl/maps/UDYM72PnTKL2
formerly goo.gl/maps/H5XzL1BQYLw
Never seen anything quite like this anywhere else though goo.gl/maps/n5A4weptQjt
Wow!
The shop in the video is also the name of the shopping center above B'Ham N St... But that wasn't being original either.
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Greater Manchester should've been called Salford Hundred. Greater Manchester sounds like they only thought of that because there was no alternative, but there used to be an area called Salford Hundred occupying the same area.
6:17 | I don't like bay platforms in the middle of an island platform with no Spanish solution. What's even worse is at Greenford, where the trains from Paddington only open their doors on one side despite having a Spanish solution.
This service should be extended at both ends and run hourly Huddersfield - Hazel Grove, or even on to Buxton! A second hourly service should also run to provide Reddish South and Denton with a direct service to Manchester Victoria. Make the up slow line on the viaduct north of Stockport bi-directional so trains can use platforms zero and one either way. That would be a real win win situation!
I did not know this one stopped at denton, thats my hometown, and i thought it was a ghost station
I think there might be another reason for not wanting this service to be brought back: It would take many passengers away from Manchester! Personally, I’m more than happy with that. Reducing congestion at Manchester Piccadilly has to be a good thing.
What I never realised, until I was on the train to Mcr, how close Stockport by train was to Mcr.
In Rotherham, there's a computer service thingy which has also stolen the London Underground Randol! I can take a picture of it tommorow! When I get the bus past it!
Wikipedia article says that 142001 is destined for the National Railway Museum when the 142s are removed from service (late 2019?).
At the 7:27 timetable, there's different notations for the time, with 9.22 (a dot) at stockport, 9r27 (obviously r for request stop @ Reddish South, and 9:36/9:43 (colons) at both Bridge stations. What is the difference between the dot and semicolon time indicator?
+Geofftech how typical, I moved from Stockport back to SouthEast London and you visit Stockport the very day I move back!!! :-/ :-P
142 are all over Darlington to saltburn very rare not to get a 142 and run frequently bonus also they are getting rid soon cos of disability access
With those least used stations all so high on the list would this be the least used Line ?
They have been running this service like this since 1992, once a week.
Hi Geoff. love the videos on your channel as well as Londonist. I'm in London on 2nd November and wanted to kow if you'd recommend anything to do/see while I'm there. also wondering if you'll be about at any point for a meet and photo opportunity? sorry it's a bit short notice. thanks in advance and keep up the good work
Have you done the Saturday only trains from Gainsborough to Barnetby via Brigg? I trust you did the Buxton and Hope Valley lines with your ranger, they are cracking
Seems like a pretty good community on that train
You should revisit the line in the future
Thanks - I've been enjoying this series. This video would have benefited from a bit more explanation - what is a parliamentary service? Why did it happen - what is the history behind the line? If its a prelude to closure how come its still running 11 years after you last visited? It would have been interesting to interview passengers about why they were using it? What use is a one way train service?
Neil Iosson the line from Stockport to Stalybridge line is a line which once had an hourly service. But since the transpennine services were re routed years ago (1991 I think) there wasn't much of a point to this line. So instead of spending time and money closing it, it was easier to run an infrequent service even if no one gets on. This goes for every parliamentary line in the UK.
Being from up north, I agree with the beginning
Been meaning to ride a parliamentary train.
The sad thing is upto the late 80's this was a very important train as it was the connection between the Trans-Pennine line and the line down to Euston.
Shoutouts to the klf love it
Local lad from Reddish South here.
There are folks around here who believe that the line would be a heck of a lot more well-used if there was a regular, daily service on it.
So much so that there's even friends groups for;
- Reddish South Station-> reddish.dsracing.me.uk/
- Denton Station-> dentonstation.co.uk/
At the moment, the line is kept open mostly because goods trains often use it to bypass Manchester entirely so they don't conjest the already busy Manchester Piccadilly any more than it already is.
Pat of the argument for the Stockport to Stalybridge line is that it could take a few services from the south of Stockport away from Piccadilly and send them to the vastly underused Manchester Victoria instead, as well as have services bypassing Manchester altogether if you want that.
It's also a popular with some of the country's steam specials. Every so often, we're treated to one of the Princess classes or the A4 Pacific "Union Of South Africa" doing the Scarborough flyer or the Cumbrian Mountain Express or something.
We even had the Flying Scotsman go through at one point on it's way from York to Crewe -> th-cam.com/video/lq9WJJ5HLus/w-d-xo.html
The line has quite a bit of potential...one of the problems it faces it that bit at Reddish South where it's a single track line...while the REST of the stations have a track down either side of the station.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHATSOEVER for the Reddish South stretch to be single track. the only reason I've been given is because of the motorway.
I THOUGHT this meant it went into a tunnel under the motorway and it would be too expensive and too much hassle to dig it wider or whatever.
NOPE. It's on a BRIDGE, OVER the motorway which is only wide enough for a single track.
That is MUCH EASIER and CHEAPER to replace with a bridge wide enough for two tracks without causing too much disruption for too long. You pretty much only need to close ONE lane in the middle of the motorway, park a crane there, have it carry down sections of the old bridge to send of the melt down for raw materials for other stuff, and feed it new bridge sections to lift up for the workmen on the bridge to fit together. Job done.
It's just not especially high on the list of the council's priorities at the moment, because they think there's next to no demand for the service, which is based on stats OBVIOUSLY skewed by the VERY FACT there's only one train a week.
But it doesn't stop there...because after the bridge, it pretty much IMMEDIATELY goes back to a double track in time for Denton Station. WHAT?
So yeah...it's awesome that you did a video on this, Geoff. Gives the line some much-needed publicity.
Internet...this line needs you! Go give it some support! Much thanks in advance.
YES GEOFF MY MAIN MAN
Why can't this line be used for trams ? I live in Stalybridge and to get to Stockport, it usually (Mon-Fri) involves 2 buses either way, either 348 into Ashton-under-Lyne and then a 330 to Stockport or a 343/389 into Hyde and then again the 330 at Hyde to Stockport (just over an hour each way)depending on the buses. If they were to put trams on the line at regular intervals, then that would be the first part of the route from Stalybridge to Manchester (via Stockport) on the tram, when they finally build the Stockport-Manchester part of the system. That train line needs using and great as a train line, but if not get people off the buses, to cut down the congestion and use it as a tram line and putting life back in to the underused stations en-route.
It definitely makes sense, but I fear it won't happen until either Stockport or Stalybridge gets a tram service coming in from the existing infrastructure. I don't believe Stockport is on the agenda, probably because of the regular train service from Manchester, but I've heard that Stalybridge is, dependent on whether they can sort out the dual running issue on train lines. That said, the service to Ashton is pretty infrequent, so surely they could run them on a single line and put the trams on the other, like they do at Navigation Road... It could still happen!
I got off a pendolino at Stockport four months ago
You got 142,001, the pioneer Pacer which is going to be preserved at the National Railway Museum!
Bet it took u a while to get them photos in sync with the jingle