Two things...first of all I forgot to adjust my Camera Setting that's why i look a little bit red in this video. Second of all , if there is some demand I am more than happy to make more videos about Nvidia RTX HDR. Let me know what games and what should I test.
Notice: Some games will break HDR completely if you turn on native HDR AND RTX HDR at the same time as it doesn't seem to automatically turn the rtx one if you turn on native hdr. Currently I can confirm that Spider-Man games lose most color tone mapping if you don't tell the Nvidia app to stop using rtx hdr
@@datreo3885 YES. It was at 85 dollars per share in April, now it's 128 per share. NVIDIA has a market cap or net worth of $3.13 trillion as of July 12, 2024. Its market cap has increased by 199.84% in one year.
Nice... btw, my peak brightness slider max'd out out 850nits for some reason (S95B on the OG 1,500nit peak fw-1211). If you set a Max brightness in you EDID ( I put 157 (or 1499nits) in the Max Luminance field - previously, it was blank) , the RTX HDR slider will pick it up (I can now go up to 1,500). Hopefully Nvidia will fix the issue prior to full release.
Hi Mark! I follow you since the LG CX's days and i've aver appreciate your works! Hope you continue to give us the quality HDR world setting we need! PLEASE with this RTX HDR give a chance to Dying Light 2! It's one of the game that i prefer! PLEASE. A hug Mark
The HDR1000/HDR10 standard says that the black level of a screen/tv cannot be higher than 0.05 nit. If the black level is 0.05 nit and doesn't get higher, the screen/tv is still within the HDR10 standard. I wonder if game developers are simply following the HDR10 standard and set the black level in HDR to 0.05 nit on purpose. The thing is, most people don't sit in a completely dark room with and OLED tv while playing a HDR game. Non-OLED TVs cannot achieve true black, so most people wouldn't even see details in the 0 nit to 0.05 nit range. In fact, it would look crushed to them. It wouldn't surprise me that developers simply use the 0.05 nit black level to make sure the most people get the best picture possible. The problem with HDR is that you cannot simply increase the overall brightness of everything like you can in SDR. If the shadow details are too dark in SDR, you can increase the SDR peak brightness to make everthing brighter. There is no option like this in HDR. The only thing that comes into mind is the paper white setting that determines how the 0 - 100 nit range of SDR is being displayed in HDR. According to the PQ EOTF standard, HDR paper white is 200 nit. This means that everything that's underneath 100 nit in SDR is twice the nit value in HDR. This of course will also make the shadow details appear slightly brighter in HDR compared to SDR (provided, you set up SDR mode correctly with a peak brightness of 100 nit). Twice the nit value might sound like much, but the light sensitivity of the human eye is not linear. Going from 100 to 1000 nit doesn't appear 10 times as bright, but only about twice as bright. The difference between 1000 nit and 2000 nit sounds huge, but it really isn't. I currently own a S95B and I don't see any reason to upgrade to a 1500 nit TV, since the difference wouldn't be that huge (even though it's noticeably).
*"The thing is, most people don't sit in a completely dark room with and OLED tv while playing a HDR game."* In my opinion, anyone who buys an OLED display to view it in a bright room is wasting his money. Pupillary constriction means the black level is no better than an LCD, the contrast ratio is significantly decreased, and no doubt the brightness is cranked, which drastically accelerates image retention. I went from playing immersive games on a 24" 16:10 CRT in a pitch-dark room (good CRTs can do true black) to playing on a 55" OLED in a pitch-dark room.
@@bricaaron3978 While I agree that especially OLED TVs should be used in dark room, the same can be said for other TVs. HDR content requires a dark room to really shine. Having dark shadow details on the screen is pointless, when you cannot see them. The thing is that even in a dark room, the difference between 0 nit and 0.05 nit can be hard to see, if there are bright highlights on the screen.
@@rexomnipotentus387 Absolutely. Beside issues of black level/contrast, a theatre-dark (or darker) environment is one of the requisites for maximal immersion. You're right about highlights and overall contrast affecting shadow detail, especially with large projection screens. As long as the environment is dark and treated to reflect minimal light, this doesn't seem to be a problem to me, as it mirrors how we respond to light in reality. If you are in a dimly-lit environment and a bright light shines into your eyes, you will be unable to see shadow details around the light that you previously could.
@@Bdestiny933 sounds like a stupid question I'm new to all this but isn't that the same thing lol. Turn off auto hdr in windows but turn it on in windows, or obvs I'm misunderstanding what you meant?
How did you manage to work HDR analysis tool with RTX HDR? To me it works just with Native HDR, but when I switch to RTX HDR, the tool says it's SDR not HDR. Tried to override colorspace to CSP_HDR10 and CSP_SCRGB with no luck. It still says it's SDR and measure colorspace in % and not in HDR Nits.
What should I do if my RTX HDR display is not detected? I turned on the HDR and turned off the DSR, all the scaling and everything else at an early stage does not help. And I have one monitor(
RTX HDR does a really good job but other than the slightly high performance cost the lack of multi monitor support kinda sucks. Knowing Nvidia though they'll probably fix it and it is in beta after all.
FYI...RTX HDR just updated with latest Nvidia driver update just released. This is the time to test it. I think it means default settings follow 2.2 gamma? Or am I reading the update details wrong?
@@Silentheaven89I think they might not support multiple monitor until the app officially comes out. I think I saw somewhere they said they definitely will have support in a future update.
Test on the Metro 2033 Redux our Last Ligth Redux ! Iam playing whit this Rtx HDR and the diference on these games are Insane! Sometimes the black depth looks like Raytraced...this is a Gamechanger !
looks like rtx hdr has less bloom and the colors are more natural and it has less radiation effect. at least in the video here. so rtx hdr has more details and looks more natural. but cyberpunk is a bad benchmark for me, the game has very poor image quality and modern tech implementation. i would test it on alan wake2
I just saw with latest gpu driver 551.86 the rtx hdr saturation might be fixed saying errors fixed ,,RTX HDR uses saturation and tone curve that matches Gamma 2.0 instead of 2.2
i tested rtx hdr in apex legends and fortnite, did a world of difference and it is amazing. default settings i do not like, but you adjust them Realtime in game so takes seconds to fix. i plugged my second monitor into motherboard(igpu) and now i have multi monitor with rtx hdr. the nvidia application is beta so it has bugs and is incomplete, but it is promising. i think you have to make sure the game is an sdr game and auto hdr in windows is off. never worked for me anyways since you have to have the xbox stuff enabled. and the monitor has to be in hdr mode, my monitor enables hdr when i put windows hdr on.
Listen rtx hdr is great in some titles. But overtime ive found flaws. Sometikes it can soften the image. Clearly utilizing some different form of processing. Like also in acc on cars it can add shimmering at times. It can reduce road details but yes its a nice hdr look. Ive still found 70% of the time to prefer standard hdr in game. The menus kind of trick you because rtx hdr looks way better in menus. Heck somrtimes games are sdr in menus and thats why. But im true gameplay once you get in game. The richness and color and the contrast and pop of the normal hdr I like more. Menus again trick people when in game matters most of all to me. But for sdr converted into hdr absolutely this setting is game changing issue is it can reduce performance. Whats also weird is it seems windoes hdr is always on anyways but in game somehow sdr games can look sdr ive never seen that before when the dispaly actually says its in hdr. So its abhit weird the way hdr in genreal works on pc's. Like in cyberpunk I much prefer the real hdr it has more pop for sure.
I'm not sure how to get it working corrently on my PC to be honest. It just doesn't seem to work properly. I have no issue doing native HDR and Windows Auto HDR. But when I activate this in the Nvidia control panel it looks like when you try to force HDR on non-HDR content (without the benefits of an actual HDR algorhythm). So it looks much too dark and the colours just look off. Nvidia Super Resolution also works just fine, no problem. It's just RTX HDR that doesn't seem to work properly. Not for videos and not for games either.
For my TV with an 2.4 Gamma Set for my Kinoroom. I use 800 Nits, 34 on midrange Nits for Paperwhite and 50 on Contrast. So you get 2.4 Gamma. Saturation -50 for native colors. 0 ist more popping.
So, I recorded a Samsung HDR10 video and sent a copy to my Rog Strix G16. Turns out the Nebula screen (dci‐p3 500nits) supportd Dolby Vision HDR. Whatever this means. When I use Nvidia Advanced optimus icon (in the Win11 taskbar) to switch between Intel UHD and nVidia, the following happens. Under Intel UHD (iGPU), Win11 says my display supports HDR and it will process it automatically, whatever this means. When I switch to nVidia RTX4060 (dGPU), Win11 says that my display does not support HDR. It disables the HDR streaming option. Can anyone tell me what is going on? If I play my Samsung's HDR10 in VLC, I don't notice any change under either iGPU or dGPU.
I still prefer native HDR and than tweak it with reshade+liliums shader HDR tools. Especially for adjusting the black levels and target peak brightness correctly.
Yeah Gaming Tech also uses those very same shaders so it's pretty odd he doesn't use his reach to advocate for those shaders. It's super simple to setup nowadays, and gives you a way better image
@@AnimeUniverseDE Maybe because he wants to show the regular methods and what's out there in terms of technology because using reshade+lilium HDR tools can for some be tricky if they have never used it before and don't know how to setup for their HDR supported TV/monitor hence RTX HDR is easier to show and talk about.
@@TheEdmaster87 setting up RTX HDR is already tricky enough and comes with a ton of downsides and quirks like no multi monitor support. Then you need to input the accurate settings because Nvidia's defaults are totally busted. For completeness sake he really should be showcasing how to fix native HDR games via Reshade and Lilium. And he also recommended picture settings changes for TVs before (lowering black level)
The oversaturation is normal, whenever you boost contrast in an image you also boost the color contrast, since they are one and the same - so just like in photoshop, if you boost the contrast you need to tone down vibrance if you don't want to boost the colors at the same time. So this likely won't be changed - but one needs to correct it if one wants to keep a natural looking image.
You can have the second monitor on while using RTX HDR. Disable the second monitor on nvidia control panel and open the game with the RTX HDR filter, once you are in game you can turn on the second monitor on the control panel. The filter will not show as active on game filter overlay but RTX HDR it will continue to work even tho is not showing as a active game filter.
For something can can be done just as well and even better with Reshade's Prod80 "Curved Levels" shader, its just not worth recommending RTX HDR over reshade since the performance hit is only ~1% with reshade compared to ~5% with RTX HDR , and it gives more precise control over black / mid / white points. Unless you're playing a game that uses an anti-cheat that will block or ban the use of reshade, only then I can rec. RTX HDR.
I just tried this and my maximum goes up to 1233. Everything else defaulted like yours. Problem is it just doesn't work. For example I played the Final Fantasy pixel remasters using Windows Auto HDR and the title screens would blind me because of how bright it was. Using RTX HDR I don't get this, matter of fact it looks just standard SDR on a slgihtly worser scale. Auto HDR is off, RTX HDR is on globally. I even tried newer titles and again just looks standard SDR. this tech really is a pian in the ass to setup and I would just rather play games instead of fiddle for hours on end. EDIT: Booted up Left 4 Dead 2 and while I could see highlights like the sun and fire, the overall picture was just dull and dark. After testing a few more games this is basically looking no better than native HDR built in for the games I have. HDR really is a disappointment from my point of view.
you don't need to focus on anything. your brain focus on it and get less enjoy. bright scenes some time unacceptable. in your sample isn't so noticeable. same as in my case i didn't see black level in native. probably because i use true black hdr 400 and not 1000 peak. or i just don't remember:) i stay with opinion rtx hdr only for sdr content - some movies or some games. far cry 3/4 sniper ghost warrior 3/contracts/contracts2, crysis remastered 2/3 all of them perfect in my case with rtx hdr. btw is strange crysis remastered has native hdr and 2/3 doesn't. as i remember even far cry 2 2007 year had native hdr:) but fc3/4 doesn't. and about two monitors, i don't sure, but you can stop use nvidia app and use nvinspector profile settings that can set rtx hdr with much less problems. or use executive file that set rtx hdr for certain exe files. i guess today nvidia app just don't ready to use. NvTrueHDR.exe works good, you start it once, for some game, or media player. look what changed in the special profileinspector and next time you can use nvtruehdr.exe or nvinspector for change settings. without any layers restarting etc.
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I chuckled at 2:48, Nvidia is no longer a multi-million dollar company, not even a multi-billion dollar company, it is a multi-trillion dollar company lol
Lets see windows 11 auto hdr vs rtx hdr vs sdr. I would like to see RDR2 native hdr vs rtx hdr, vs auto hdr, since that game doesnt have the best hdr implementation. The finals would be good since there no native hdr vs auto hdr vs sdr, Gta 5, forza horizon 5, call of duty mw3.
my peak brightness only goes up to 465 nits on the Aorus fo32u2p even though i have in hdr gaming mode with apl set to high for peak 1000 nits and i have my windows hdr calibration set to 1070 nits
Highly recommend this for Star Citizen. Disable in-game HDR and enable RTX HDR. Massive difference in black levels and for a space game that is kinda important :)
The Nvidia Corp Never has gotten the Best Default Settings Done right in the Old Control Panel Why would the get it right in the New One? OLD under "Change Resolution" you have to go in to it Change #3 (Apply the Following Settings.) from User Default settings to "Use NVIDIA color settings" Making sure the HIGH (32bit) is chosen then Change the OUTPUT COLOR DEPTH to 10 bpc. Hit APPLY then OK And then you have to go to Adjust "Video color settings" CHANGE #2 HOW DO YOU MAKE COLOR ADJUSTMENTS?" from with the video player settings and set it to "WITH THE NVIDIA SETTINGS" and go the the "ADVANCED TAB" and set the DYNAMIC RANGE to "FULL (0-255) hit APPLY then OK This stuff should be set as default but NVIDIA does not!!!
I believe the increased color saturation is the right thing to do, and the default slider is very good. We can always give it a -5 or -10 to the colors if it looks wild.
Agreed. A lot of comments are focusing on making the RTX HDR look like SDR colors and only focus brightness levels when HDR is about extending the range of both brightness and colors. Meaning colors should pop more or look more saturated (to a limit).
Oh no - please tell me you haven’t started to do the stupid facial expressions in your thumbnails that annoying clickbait TH-camrs do 😫 I love your channel (for the console info, not PC) but I hate all that silly thumbnail stuff.
Yes, but I think he was just showing the comparison of RTX HDR and the Native HDR in cyberpunk so we can see how accurate the RTX HDR is compared to real HDR.
I did call the rtx hdr as being the one on the left. The cutoff point for highlights is weird, it's like the same object can have two different luminance values and it's not a smooth transition. It's very noticeable inside the bar, on the red lanterns hanging off of the ceiling. Otherwise, pretty good I'd say.
It is really good but the catch is performance...I tested this on my 4070ti 1440p/4k on my C9. Batman Arkham knight caused horrific performance issues when moving the camera around changing view. Lego Lord of the rings...Amazing and held 4k120 perfectly I think Great for older games but too messy on newer more demanding games
@@fvalloit wasn't the FPS, it was the FPS drops from like 90 to 55 constantly happening when looking new directions that ruined it. my average FPS with RTX HDR was like 80+ but it felt horrible to play
I'm one of the people who, for some reason, the NVIDIA App will NOT display the option for RTX HDR under Graphics>Global. RTX Dynamic Luminance option is there, but no sign of RTX HDR. Running up-to-date App and Game Ready Drivers, Windows 11 with HDR enabled and Auto HDR off, etc etc etc.. No option for RTX HDR. If anyone knows what the cause is, I'm eager for a solution.
Yeah i can´t get rtx hdr to work. 4070 ti, newest driver, newest nvidia app version. Freshly installed drivers. HDR is on in windows. Auto HDR is off. When i´m trying to enable RTX HDR i just get the generic there was an error while applying the changes (don´t know the exact wording my app is on german language). Restinstalling the driver, turning off hdr and back on etc. nothing seems to solve the issue. In game i can manuelly add rtx hdr to the game profil it seems to not work though. As i´m not able to change any of the sliders. And yes i restarted the game after adding the rtx hdr setting to the profil. Still nothing. Am i doing smth wrong?
I wish someone would discuss why rtx hdr doesnt work half the time. It says either game doesnt support it (which it should) or the sliders are locked and cant change it. Also for Helldivers when hitting the Nvidia overlay it closes the game and spazzes out
Hey i finally found your new channel! I used to follow your old channel AmokPlays. GamingTech, i implemented Nvida RTX hdr to Final Fantasy 14 ( My gaming monitor is an Alienware QD-OLED 34DW),and the colors looks washed out, the black levels where also raised and the image was over sharpened. Then I found the RTX hdr settings by pressing the ALT-Z buttons. I found that raising the saturation helps eliminate the colors looking washed out look, it also helped the image not look to over sharpened. The other problem was that the black levels being raised so i turned up the contrast to help with it but then the blacks looked crushed , I compared with a game that has proper hdr like Cyberpunk 2077 and Final Fantasy 7 remake and the black levels there look natural and good. Could you please help with this problem and also should I i use digital vibrance along with RTX hdr or should I i just use RTX hdr by itself. If I can find a good setting for RTX hdr then I'd love to use it for my non supported hdr games. Also, i turn the hdr slider in the windows settings to 100 since FF14 is a SDR game. For HDR games I Lower the HDR slider to in between 0-25. My graphics card is a RTX4090 My CPU is a Intel i9 14900KF. Thanks for your time.
Hmm, I tried it in Horizon Forbidden West before the native HDR support has been fixed via unofficial patch, and I was not very amazed. Similar problems as Windows AutoHDR (1000 nits max) and the usual issues of SDR-to-HDR conversion like way too bright UI elements. Ended up using Special K instead, which also was far from a native HDR experience, but gave me enough control to get a somewhat decent picture, and worked flawlessly with Lilium's HDR Analysis.
I can finally play Immortals of aveum, Atomic Heart and RoboCop Rouge City. None of these games even supports Auto HDR - RTX HDR works flawless! Like a charm. Thanks Nvidia!
I am able to use multiple monitors if I plug my secondary monitor to my Intel's iGPU while my primary monitor to my RTX 4090. That way the Nvidia driver only detects one monitor plugged into the Nvidia card. Intel's driver will handle the second monitor.
I just tried it with Last Epoch and oh my god it's so much better than the Windows Auto HDR function! I just had a thought... Can it fix Diablo 4's poor HDR implementation?
resident evil should get a HUGE boost from RTX HDR because in that game (almost every new part) black levels are raised by default, making everything a bit washed out unless you go overboard with the settings, which kills the details. so yeah, looking forward to that video.
Of course RTX HDR is adding color information. It is adding P3 colors over an SDR picture. So it is no surprise that the presentation could look oversaturated if not calibrated properly.
Agreed, the colors look way too saturated in SDR games especially. I tested MGS Master Collection MGS2 and it didnt look better, thats one scenario where I prefered auto hdr but more testing is required.
The early news is auto hdr has raised blacks and rtx hdr doesn’t with the right settings. The only negative to rtx hdr compared to auto hdr is the performance cost. That’s the early reviews I read from people online.
@@Ray-dl5mpfrom my experience using the rtx HDR on my FO48U compared to the windows version is that it blew out the colors and saturation an no matter how much i calibrated it it was no good compared to the windows hdr and hdr on my monitor calibrated correctly it look far better and the performance was better as well.. another thing is that when you dont want to use RTX HDR you still receive the performance hit.. and have to uninstall the new app and reinstall geforce experience to fix the performance hit
Gracias por el video, en mi caso no encuentro mucha diferencia entre el HDR nativo y el de nvidia en juegos sdr cono eurotruck simuleitor o scum que son los juegos que más uso, no veo diferencia entre el rtx hdr y el auto hdr, monitor hp q27x hdr10 de 165 hzs
Should have done HDR comparison to the game that has excellent HDR that isn't flawed in order to expose the flaws of RTX HDR. I'm pretty sure there are plenty (like overshooting some colors, making things brighter then they are suppose to be etc...) as it is on "assume" basis cranking stuff up according to database it has but that doesn't necessarily mean that that is how the game is suppose to look and feel visually. What if creator intended in a certain scene for colors and brightness to be more muted to instill certain emotions and with RTX HDR it just cranks it up to what it assumes should be due to its database? I'd like to see perhaps thorough test comparison to see how it changes the image to originals intent. I have a hunch that RTX HDR will make all games look the same HDR and color wise. It sees a light and it will always be identically bright across the games... Bonfire, moon, sun, bright scenes, that they'll all look the same across the games range which would be very bad if that's the case. Sure it does look promising from just activating it and seeing it's turning things into HDR but I feel there is a huge impact on visual emotion if we scratch the surface of it.
While I agree to an extent if the game has bad HDR and RTX HDR fixes the problems without changing the image much in other ways then it's better. I've used it to play through the Wolfenstein series which don't have HDR and I found it much better and from what I remember on my previous play through it didn't change the mood of the game in a negative way if anything it was better because it had more contrast.
@@WArockets it can't fix bad HDR. It doesn't correct HDR. It broadens values of SDR feed. But pay close attention to what I wrote... we don't know how much it alters the mood we need comparisons. Deep investigations on the tech. There is a risk of this damaging the mood and the feel of many games that creators spend months tuning to get the visual emotion in a scene. As the system is automatic and changes values according to a database and if my hunch is correct it means all games will look the same. Every lamp will have similar nits. Every puff of cloud exactly the same nit brightness... every lightbulb etc. This kills the soul of the visual mood. Just because it makes image HDR with dynamic and varying levels od brightness doesn't mean it's automatically good.... It's the artistical intent that may be killed with RTX HDR.
This is indeed just an emulation of HDR based on SDR source and it can very well guess wrong and make things that are not supposed to be bright look brighter. Things like white stripes on clothing may look like reflectors in worst case. 😁 It does have some adjustments though. If you feel like that the image deviates too much from the artistic intent then you can change it. You can adjust color saturation, yoi can adjust peak brightness and you can change the gamma curve from super contrasty and popping to more washed out looking.
@@MaaZeus Yeah that's great that they added adjustments for users... But still one doesn't have any clue as to what creator wanted the visual emotion to be. They could adjust to how they want to feel looking but never get the feel for what the creator wanted to instill... That's my biggest gripe. Wish digital foundry did thorough and in depth analysis of RTX HDR instead of just going "wow it turns SDR image into HDR without actual HDR, that's amazing!". Which is also where Gaming Tech has a chance to do some in depth analysis and uncover all the actual flaws and how much it deviates from the original creators intent be it the loss when doing SDR to RTX HDR ... Or comparing HDR native to RTX HDR and how much do the games look samey with it or not... as well as some actual proper flaws like the error you noticed where white stripes on clothings can turn out to be bright as reflector lol. We need some actual dissection of technologies like this that come instead of "wow you flip the switch it does turn on and change stuff". xD We need data damn it. Academic data in order to observe and tell which one is a tool and which one is a gimmick made to fool us up.
I agree with this. SDR Games should be palyed in SDR. Eevery form of auto HDR conversion throws accuracy completely out the window. Yeah you get more color , brightness and contrast but that is not how the Game was supposed to look. AT that point why even calibrate your TV if you are just gonna change the original color grading anyway.
Hi, Same here, when I downloaded the app and activated the filters option I lost about 5 to 10% in performance. Yes it looks nice and the feature is good but they should fix the performance issue, so I uninstalled it. My pc Spec: ryzen 9 7950x3d RTX 4090 RAM 32G 6000mhz CL30
RTX HDR ist zwar super, aber leider noch sehr buggy 😒Man kann RTX HDR Global aktivieren oder jeweils in einem ausgewählten Spiel. Das funktioniert aber oft mehr schlecht als recht. In Robocop zB stürzt das Game komplett ab bei Aktivierung in der nvidia App unter Spiele. Wenn man aber RTX HDR global aktiviert, dann stürzt es nicht ab. OK, dann aktiviert man es eben global sollte man denken, wenn es eh nur bei non HDR Spiel getriggert wird. Aber dem ist nicht so. Bei Dead Island 2 ist bei aktivierten RTX HDR das Bild komplett ausgewaschen. Hier wird nicht erkannt, dass HDR bereits in Dead Island 2 aktiviert ist. In Remnat 2 funktioniert es auch nicht richtig. Wenn ich es in der App unter Remnat aktiviere, ist es bei Spielstart nicht aktiv. Um RTX HDR in Remnat 2 nutzen zu können MUSS es global aktiviert werden. OK, es ist eine Beta aber solche gravierende Bugs sollten bei nvidia nicht auftreten. Kommt noch ein Video mit den RTX HDR Einstellungen??
Hi, ich habe mal eine Frage. Wenn mein TV auf HGiG geht eingestellt ist und ich die Kalibrierung mit dem HDR Tool von MS durchführe, so kommen Zweifel auf. Wenn ich die maximale Peak Brightness einstelle komme ich auf 750 Nits und maximales Weiß ebenso. Jedoch messe ich mit meinem Colorimeter von Spyder nach und er kommt auf maximal 530 Nits. Was stimmt nun?
I installed the Nvidia Beta App, but I do not see RTX HDR filter in the list when I open the freestyle menu... Dynamic Vibrance and other filters are in the list, but no RTX HDR... And I cant find any information online about it. If you have any ideas about why, any help would be appreciated.
@@DasAntiNaziBroetchen Yes and many others do too.. but my point is that many tv monitors with hdr have a different scale of peak brightness below 1000 and he do not adress that in the video
The lack of multi monitor support is a deal breaker for now. Also using the RTX HDR mod is a pain in the ass too. I know they have announced a fix or update to allow for multiple monitor support, but I hope it is soon.
Two things...first of all I forgot to adjust my Camera Setting that's why i look a little bit red in this video. Second of all , if there is some demand I am more than happy to make more videos about Nvidia RTX HDR. Let me know what games and what should I test.
Notice: Some games will break HDR completely if you turn on native HDR AND RTX HDR at the same time as it doesn't seem to automatically turn the rtx one if you turn on native hdr. Currently I can confirm that Spider-Man games lose most color tone mapping if you don't tell the Nvidia app to stop using rtx hdr
Would be great to see some comparisons between RTX HDR and Windows AutoHDR.
I'm playing witcher 3 atm might be a good game to try out rtx hdr
Is rtx hdr filter works only on win 11?
Yeah, but generally Auto HDR looks worse with minimal performance loss@@Gr4yF0x
2:45 Nvidia is a 2.2 trillion dollar company 😅
3.11 trillion!
@@2Guys1ControllerShow in 3 months?
@@datreo3885 YES. It was at 85 dollars per share in April, now it's 128 per share.
NVIDIA has a market cap or net worth of $3.13 trillion as of July 12, 2024. Its market cap has increased by 199.84% in one year.
Windows Auto HDR vs ingame HDR comparsion?
Nice... btw, my peak brightness slider max'd out out 850nits for some reason (S95B on the OG 1,500nit peak fw-1211). If you set a Max brightness in you EDID ( I put 157 (or 1499nits) in the Max Luminance field - previously, it was blank) , the RTX HDR slider will pick it up (I can now go up to 1,500). Hopefully Nvidia will fix the issue prior to full release.
What do you mean set max brightness in EDID? How do I do that? I have LG G3.
yeah, final release and still limited to 800 in a 1000+ TV =/
Hi Mark! I follow you since the LG CX's days and i've aver appreciate your works! Hope you continue to give us the quality HDR world setting we need! PLEASE with this RTX HDR give a chance to Dying Light 2! It's one of the game that i prefer! PLEASE. A hug Mark
I reccomend rebinding Alt+F3... that is a very unfortunate choice of hotkey
The HDR1000/HDR10 standard says that the black level of a screen/tv cannot be higher than 0.05 nit. If the black level is 0.05 nit and doesn't get higher, the screen/tv is still within the HDR10 standard. I wonder if game developers are simply following the HDR10 standard and set the black level in HDR to 0.05 nit on purpose.
The thing is, most people don't sit in a completely dark room with and OLED tv while playing a HDR game. Non-OLED TVs cannot achieve true black, so most people wouldn't even see details in the 0 nit to 0.05 nit range. In fact, it would look crushed to them. It wouldn't surprise me that developers simply use the 0.05 nit black level to make sure the most people get the best picture possible.
The problem with HDR is that you cannot simply increase the overall brightness of everything like you can in SDR. If the shadow details are too dark in SDR, you can increase the SDR peak brightness to make everthing brighter. There is no option like this in HDR. The only thing that comes into mind is the paper white setting that determines how the 0 - 100 nit range of SDR is being displayed in HDR. According to the PQ EOTF standard, HDR paper white is 200 nit. This means that everything that's underneath 100 nit in SDR is twice the nit value in HDR. This of course will also make the shadow details appear slightly brighter in HDR compared to SDR (provided, you set up SDR mode correctly with a peak brightness of 100 nit).
Twice the nit value might sound like much, but the light sensitivity of the human eye is not linear. Going from 100 to 1000 nit doesn't appear 10 times as bright, but only about twice as bright. The difference between 1000 nit and 2000 nit sounds huge, but it really isn't. I currently own a S95B and I don't see any reason to upgrade to a 1500 nit TV, since the difference wouldn't be that huge (even though it's noticeably).
That's maybe a reason. Thanks!
*"The thing is, most people don't sit in a completely dark room with and OLED tv while playing a HDR game."*
In my opinion, anyone who buys an OLED display to view it in a bright room is wasting his money. Pupillary constriction means the black level is no better than an LCD, the contrast ratio is significantly decreased, and no doubt the brightness is cranked, which drastically accelerates image retention.
I went from playing immersive games on a 24" 16:10 CRT in a pitch-dark room (good CRTs can do true black) to playing on a 55" OLED in a pitch-dark room.
@@bricaaron3978 While I agree that especially OLED TVs should be used in dark room, the same can be said for other TVs. HDR content requires a dark room to really shine. Having dark shadow details on the screen is pointless, when you cannot see them.
The thing is that even in a dark room, the difference between 0 nit and 0.05 nit can be hard to see, if there are bright highlights on the screen.
@@rexomnipotentus387 Absolutely. Beside issues of black level/contrast, a theatre-dark (or darker) environment is one of the requisites for maximal immersion.
You're right about highlights and overall contrast affecting shadow detail, especially with large projection screens. As long as the environment is dark and treated to reflect minimal light, this doesn't seem to be a problem to me, as it mirrors how we respond to light in reality. If you are in a dimly-lit environment and a bright light shines into your eyes, you will be unable to see shadow details around the light that you previously could.
Multi trillion dollar company**
Do you have to turn off auto hdr in windows for it to show up in the filters menu? I can't see it anywhere
Yes, turn off auto hdr and enable hdr in windows.
@@Bdestiny933 sounds like a stupid question I'm new to all this but isn't that the same thing lol. Turn off auto hdr in windows but turn it on in windows, or obvs I'm misunderstanding what you meant?
@@Takeme_DCUO Auto hdr is a setting under HDR. Turn off auto hdr. Keep HDR on, but disable auto hdr.
@@Bdestiny933 brilliant I'll go have a look and sort it out. Thanks for your reply 👍
@@Bdestiny933 Is "Auto HDR" some kind of fake HDR?
Thank you for that video.
Did you compare vs Windows auto HDR ? (for SDR games)
How did you manage to work HDR analysis tool with RTX HDR? To me it works just with Native HDR, but when I switch to RTX HDR, the tool says it's SDR not HDR. Tried to override colorspace to CSP_HDR10 and CSP_SCRGB with no luck. It still says it's SDR and measure colorspace in % and not in HDR Nits.
Think he's using the same method for the PS5 HDR analysis - a HDMI capture card with ReShade on the input stream window.
What should I do if my RTX HDR display is not detected? I turned on the HDR and turned off the DSR, all the scaling and everything else at an early stage does not help. And I have one monitor(
RTX HDR does a really good job but other than the slightly high performance cost the lack of multi monitor support kinda sucks. Knowing Nvidia though they'll probably fix it and it is in beta after all.
It's still in beta I think...
Jacob Freeman (Nvidia) already confirmed multi-monitor support is due in an upcoming Driver update.
Fine for single monitor 3rd person rpg, at least I think
I think the mod also works with multiple monitors as long as all of them are hdr enabled.
FYI...RTX HDR just updated with latest Nvidia driver update just released. This is the time to test it. I think it means default settings follow 2.2 gamma? Or am I reading the update details wrong?
still no support for dual monitor setups though i bet.
@@Silentheaven89I think they might not support multiple monitor until the app officially comes out. I think I saw somewhere they said they definitely will have support in a future update.
Just waiting to here you say: black level raise...it's just whats popping in my head when I here you talk 😄😜
I believe another requirement is that you must have windows 11
It even works on ps2 emulator games. Very useful
Why not compare to Auto HDR with 2.2 gamma icc?
In another video
Test on the Metro 2033 Redux our Last Ligth Redux ! Iam playing whit this Rtx HDR and the diference on these games are Insane! Sometimes the black depth looks like Raytraced...this is a Gamechanger !
looks like rtx hdr has less bloom and the colors are more natural and it has less radiation effect. at least in the video here. so rtx hdr has more details and looks more natural.
but cyberpunk is a bad benchmark for me, the game has very poor image quality and modern tech implementation. i would test it on alan wake2
Banishers is such a good game it really needs HDR. Going to try Nvidia later today.
You can force native UE HDR on that one, it really looks superb and honestly blows RTX HDR out of the water
I just saw with latest gpu driver 551.86 the rtx hdr saturation might be fixed saying errors fixed ,,RTX HDR uses saturation and tone curve that matches Gamma 2.0 instead of 2.2
i tested rtx hdr in apex legends and fortnite, did a world of difference and it is amazing.
default settings i do not like, but you adjust them Realtime in game so takes seconds to fix.
i plugged my second monitor into motherboard(igpu) and now i have multi monitor with rtx hdr.
the nvidia application is beta so it has bugs and is incomplete, but it is promising.
i think you have to make sure the game is an sdr game and auto hdr in windows is off. never worked for me anyways since you have to have the xbox stuff enabled.
and the monitor has to be in hdr mode, my monitor enables hdr when i put windows hdr on.
Listen rtx hdr is great in some titles. But overtime ive found flaws. Sometikes it can soften the image. Clearly utilizing some different form of processing. Like also in acc on cars it can add shimmering at times. It can reduce road details but yes its a nice hdr look. Ive still found 70% of the time to prefer standard hdr in game. The menus kind of trick you because rtx hdr looks way better in menus. Heck somrtimes games are sdr in menus and thats why. But im true gameplay once you get in game. The richness and color and the contrast and pop of the normal hdr I like more. Menus again trick people when in game matters most of all to me.
But for sdr converted into hdr absolutely this setting is game changing issue is it can reduce performance. Whats also weird is it seems windoes hdr is always on anyways but in game somehow sdr games can look sdr ive never seen that before when the dispaly actually says its in hdr. So its abhit weird the way hdr in genreal works on pc's.
Like in cyberpunk I much prefer the real hdr it has more pop for sure.
I'm not sure how to get it working corrently on my PC to be honest. It just doesn't seem to work properly. I have no issue doing native HDR and Windows Auto HDR. But when I activate this in the Nvidia control panel it looks like when you try to force HDR on non-HDR content (without the benefits of an actual HDR algorhythm). So it looks much too dark and the colours just look off. Nvidia Super Resolution also works just fine, no problem. It's just RTX HDR that doesn't seem to work properly. Not for videos and not for games either.
For my TV with an 2.4 Gamma Set for my Kinoroom. I use 800 Nits, 34 on midrange Nits for Paperwhite and 50 on Contrast. So you get 2.4 Gamma. Saturation -50 for native colors. 0 ist more popping.
talk about the sliders youll get my view
More games u may take a look at: Diablo 4 and Helldivers 2. Tested both with RTX HDR, looks better than their native HDR solution.
So, I recorded a Samsung HDR10 video and sent a copy to my Rog Strix G16.
Turns out the Nebula screen (dci‐p3 500nits) supportd Dolby Vision HDR. Whatever this means.
When I use Nvidia Advanced optimus icon (in the Win11 taskbar) to switch between Intel UHD and nVidia, the following happens. Under Intel UHD (iGPU), Win11 says my display supports HDR and it will process it automatically, whatever this means. When I switch to nVidia RTX4060 (dGPU), Win11 says that my display does not support HDR. It disables the HDR streaming option.
Can anyone tell me what is going on? If I play my Samsung's HDR10 in VLC, I don't notice any change under either iGPU or dGPU.
I still prefer native HDR and than tweak it with reshade+liliums shader HDR tools. Especially for adjusting the black levels and target peak brightness correctly.
Yeah Gaming Tech also uses those very same shaders so it's pretty odd he doesn't use his reach to advocate for those shaders. It's super simple to setup nowadays, and gives you a way better image
@@AnimeUniverseDE Yeah there's even a way to expand the colorspace so HDR games use the deeper more vivid BT2020 colorspace. Gamechanger
@@AnimeUniverseDE Maybe because he wants to show the regular methods and what's out there in terms of technology because using reshade+lilium HDR tools can for some be tricky if they have never used it before and don't know how to setup for their HDR supported TV/monitor hence RTX HDR is easier to show and talk about.
@@TheEdmaster87 setting up RTX HDR is already tricky enough and comes with a ton of downsides and quirks like no multi monitor support. Then you need to input the accurate settings because Nvidia's defaults are totally busted. For completeness sake he really should be showcasing how to fix native HDR games via Reshade and Lilium. And he also recommended picture settings changes for TVs before (lowering black level)
@@AnimeUniverseDE I don't think you can use those in multiplayer games
Cyberpunk native HDR has no bt.2020 color? wow^^
The oversaturation is normal, whenever you boost contrast in an image you also boost the color contrast, since they are one and the same - so just like in photoshop, if you boost the contrast you need to tone down vibrance if you don't want to boost the colors at the same time. So this likely won't be changed - but one needs to correct it if one wants to keep a natural looking image.
You sure it isn't just using a bigger gamut?
See this is the problem no one makes videos to break down such good questions. It feels too fake to me on an OLED. Someone needs to clarify this
You can have the second monitor on while using RTX HDR. Disable the second monitor on nvidia control panel and open the game with the RTX HDR filter, once you are in game you can turn on the second monitor on the control panel. The filter will not show as active on game filter overlay but RTX HDR it will continue to work even tho is not showing as a active game filter.
Easier to go to Windows 10/11 settings: System > Display
Instead of "duplicate" or "extend" displays. Just set to "show only on 1"
For something can can be done just as well and even better with Reshade's Prod80 "Curved Levels" shader, its just not worth recommending RTX HDR over reshade since the performance hit is only ~1% with reshade compared to ~5% with RTX HDR , and it gives more precise control over black / mid / white points. Unless you're playing a game that uses an anti-cheat that will block or ban the use of reshade, only then I can rec. RTX HDR.
I just tried this and my maximum goes up to 1233. Everything else defaulted like yours. Problem is it just doesn't work. For example I played the Final Fantasy pixel remasters using Windows Auto HDR and the title screens would blind me because of how bright it was. Using RTX HDR I don't get this, matter of fact it looks just standard SDR on a slgihtly worser scale. Auto HDR is off, RTX HDR is on globally. I even tried newer titles and again just looks standard SDR. this tech really is a pian in the ass to setup and I would just rather play games instead of fiddle for hours on end.
EDIT: Booted up Left 4 Dead 2 and while I could see highlights like the sun and fire, the overall picture was just dull and dark. After testing a few more games this is basically looking no better than native HDR built in for the games I have. HDR really is a disappointment from my point of view.
you don't need to focus on anything. your brain focus on it and get less enjoy. bright scenes some time unacceptable. in your sample isn't so noticeable. same as in my case i didn't see black level in native. probably because i use true black hdr 400 and not 1000 peak. or i just don't remember:) i stay with opinion rtx hdr only for sdr content - some movies or some games. far cry 3/4 sniper ghost warrior 3/contracts/contracts2, crysis remastered 2/3 all of them perfect in my case with rtx hdr. btw is strange crysis remastered has native hdr and 2/3 doesn't. as i remember even far cry 2 2007 year had native hdr:) but fc3/4 doesn't. and about two monitors, i don't sure, but you can stop use nvidia app and use nvinspector profile settings that can set rtx hdr with much less problems. or use executive file that set rtx hdr for certain exe files. i guess today nvidia app just don't ready to use. NvTrueHDR.exe works good, you start it once, for some game, or media player. look what changed in the special profileinspector and next time you can use nvtruehdr.exe or nvinspector for change settings. without any layers restarting etc.
I chuckled at 2:48, Nvidia is no longer a multi-million dollar company, not even a multi-billion dollar company, it is a multi-trillion dollar company lol
Lets see windows 11 auto hdr vs rtx hdr vs sdr. I would like to see RDR2 native hdr vs rtx hdr, vs auto hdr, since that game doesnt have the best hdr implementation. The finals would be good since there no native hdr vs auto hdr vs sdr, Gta 5, forza horizon 5, call of duty mw3.
my peak brightness only goes up to 465 nits on the Aorus fo32u2p even though i have in hdr gaming mode with apl set to high for peak 1000 nits and i have my windows hdr calibration set to 1070 nits
How you get that HDR stats overlay real time ? Is it hardware or software ?
Hello, a quick question that may or may not be obvious. To use Nvidia's HDR RTX, do I still have to activate the HDR on my monitor?
Yes, you have to activate HDR
Makes Skyrim awesome. And much better performance than an ENB. 🎉
What a bummer. My second monitor is just an HDMI hooked up to my GPU for audio.
Not being able to use a second monitor is a no go for me. I have 4 connected.
Is it possible to activate RTX HDR in Geforce Now ??
NVIDIA is a multi trillion dollar company, not a multi million dollar company homie 😂😅
Nothing to see and lower FPS🤦
Also, a good game have nothing to do with graphics.
To many kids at the moment 😊
Yes ,more rtx HDR Videos
Highly recommend this for Star Citizen. Disable in-game HDR and enable RTX HDR. Massive difference in black levels and for a space game that is kinda important :)
Are blacks higher or deeper with rtx hdr?
Spreading democracy looks better in HDR
@@enricod.7198Deeper
Judging by their comment, probably lower which is good.@@enricod.7198
Or use lilium shaders for hdr fix
The Nvidia Corp Never has gotten the Best Default Settings Done right in the Old Control Panel Why would the get it right in the New One? OLD under "Change Resolution" you have to go in to it Change #3 (Apply the Following Settings.) from User Default settings to "Use NVIDIA color settings" Making sure the HIGH (32bit) is chosen then Change the OUTPUT COLOR DEPTH to 10 bpc. Hit APPLY then OK And then you have to go to Adjust "Video color settings" CHANGE #2 HOW DO YOU MAKE COLOR ADJUSTMENTS?" from with the video player settings and set it to "WITH THE NVIDIA SETTINGS" and go the the "ADVANCED TAB" and set the DYNAMIC RANGE to "FULL (0-255) hit APPLY then OK This stuff should be set as default but NVIDIA does not!!!
It’s so much better that I just take the FPS hit so i can use it relative to in-game and windows auto hdr.
If only it didn’t come w/ a huge performance hit..
I believe the increased color saturation is the right thing to do, and the default slider is very good. We can always give it a -5 or -10 to the colors if it looks wild.
Agreed. A lot of comments are focusing on making the RTX HDR look like SDR colors and only focus brightness levels when HDR is about extending the range of both brightness and colors. Meaning colors should pop more or look more saturated (to a limit).
@@alphacompton Not when the human skin tone is turning unnaturally red... It's still important to get the saturation right.
it looks more detailed but people look like they have moisturizer on their face
If only I had a microscope to see this incredible difference...
Oh no - please tell me you haven’t started to do the stupid facial expressions in your thumbnails that annoying clickbait TH-camrs do 😫 I love your channel (for the console info, not PC) but I hate all that silly thumbnail stuff.
Just testing...I would like to have more clicks/views/subs . Maybe this helps 🫠
RTX HDR is for games without HDR sport, cyberpunk has great HDR already
Yes, but I think he was just showing the comparison of RTX HDR and the Native HDR in cyberpunk so we can see how accurate the RTX HDR is compared to real HDR.
It works really good on World of Warcraft Season of Mastery.
I did call the rtx hdr as being the one on the left. The cutoff point for highlights is weird, it's like the same object can have two different luminance values and it's not a smooth transition. It's very noticeable inside the bar, on the red lanterns hanging off of the ceiling.
Otherwise, pretty good I'd say.
I have the lg cx and I can't sacrifice dldsr over hdr
this is the problem
Can you test peak brightness after last software update on LG CX cause in my opinion its now much lower most in dolby vision but in hdr also
Please tell me that you have control over if and when you install updates on your LG display?
There is a mod that uses reshade addon system to re write game shaders to fix hdr
The fact that RTX HDR can not only make older games with no HDR support look amazing, it can even fix current gen games’ bad native HDR implementation
It makes RDR2 look so good
It is really good but the catch is performance...I tested this on my 4070ti 1440p/4k on my C9.
Batman Arkham knight caused horrific performance issues when moving the camera around changing view.
Lego Lord of the rings...Amazing and held 4k120 perfectly
I think Great for older games but too messy on newer more demanding games
Autohdr is better, 1fps perf hit
@@fvalloit wasn't the FPS, it was the FPS drops from like 90 to 55 constantly happening when looking new directions that ruined it. my average FPS with RTX HDR was like 80+ but it felt horrible to play
@@fvalloIt only works in some games and it requires adjustments to look good. It is usually very washed out looking at stock.
TVs 6 years old lol.
@@aaroncoleman3277 Alienware ROFL
I'm one of the people who, for some reason, the NVIDIA App will NOT display the option for RTX HDR under Graphics>Global. RTX Dynamic Luminance option is there, but no sign of RTX HDR. Running up-to-date App and Game Ready Drivers, Windows 11 with HDR enabled and Auto HDR off, etc etc etc.. No option for RTX HDR. If anyone knows what the cause is, I'm eager for a solution.
Do you have a second screen?
@@GamingTech-TH-cam I should have clarified- no 2nd screen. Running a single LG C9 panel for display.
Maybe measure the performance cost in percentage or frametime milliseconds, instead of FPS
I don't have the 'RTX HDR' option at all.
Yeah i can´t get rtx hdr to work. 4070 ti, newest driver, newest nvidia app version. Freshly installed drivers. HDR is on in windows. Auto HDR is off. When i´m trying to enable RTX HDR i just get the generic there was an error while applying the changes (don´t know the exact wording my app is on german language). Restinstalling the driver, turning off hdr and back on etc. nothing seems to solve the issue. In game i can manuelly add rtx hdr to the game profil it seems to not work though. As i´m not able to change any of the sliders. And yes i restarted the game after adding the rtx hdr setting to the profil. Still nothing. Am i doing smth wrong?
I wish someone would discuss why rtx hdr doesnt work half the time. It says either game doesnt support it (which it should) or the sliders are locked and cant change it. Also for Helldivers when hitting the Nvidia overlay it closes the game and spazzes out
There is no such a thing called "SDR", "SDR" doesn't exist on computers, it's a very old standard for early CRT TVs with 100nits and bad performance.
Hey i finally found your new channel! I used to follow your old channel AmokPlays. GamingTech, i implemented Nvida RTX hdr to Final Fantasy 14 ( My gaming monitor is an Alienware QD-OLED 34DW),and the colors looks washed out, the black levels where also raised and the image was over sharpened. Then I found the RTX hdr settings by pressing the ALT-Z buttons. I found that raising the saturation helps eliminate the colors looking washed out look, it also helped the image not look to over sharpened. The other problem was that the black levels being raised so i turned up the contrast to help with it but then the blacks looked crushed , I compared with a game that has proper hdr like Cyberpunk 2077 and Final Fantasy 7 remake and the black levels there look natural and good. Could you please help with this problem and also should I i use digital vibrance along with RTX hdr or should I i just use RTX hdr by itself. If I can find a good setting for RTX hdr then I'd love to use it for my non supported hdr games. Also, i turn the hdr slider in the windows settings to 100 since FF14 is a SDR game. For HDR games I Lower the HDR slider to in between 0-25.
My graphics card is a RTX4090
My CPU is a Intel i9 14900KF. Thanks for your time.
Hmm, I tried it in Horizon Forbidden West before the native HDR support has been fixed via unofficial patch, and I was not very amazed. Similar problems as Windows AutoHDR (1000 nits max) and the usual issues of SDR-to-HDR conversion like way too bright UI elements. Ended up using Special K instead, which also was far from a native HDR experience, but gave me enough control to get a somewhat decent picture, and worked flawlessly with Lilium's HDR Analysis.
I can finally play Immortals of aveum, Atomic Heart and RoboCop Rouge City. None of these games even supports Auto HDR - RTX HDR works flawless! Like a charm. Thanks Nvidia!
I am able to use multiple monitors if I plug my secondary monitor to my Intel's iGPU while my primary monitor to my RTX 4090. That way the Nvidia driver only detects one monitor plugged into the Nvidia card. Intel's driver will handle the second monitor.
I just tried it with Last Epoch and oh my god it's so much better than the Windows Auto HDR function!
I just had a thought... Can it fix Diablo 4's poor HDR implementation?
Would love to see more content on this. Both in general and the sliders specifically.
resident evil should get a HUGE boost from RTX HDR because in that game (almost every new part) black levels are raised by default, making everything a bit washed out unless you go overboard with the settings, which kills the details. so yeah, looking forward to that video.
Just continuing to regret getting an AMD gpu.
Playing Batman Arkham Asylum with 4K textures and TruHDR and it's transformative.
Of course RTX HDR is adding color information.
It is adding P3 colors over an SDR picture.
So it is no surprise that the presentation could look oversaturated if not calibrated properly.
voy a probar si se puede usar con mi monitor crt :u
Agreed, the colors look way too saturated in SDR games especially. I tested MGS Master Collection MGS2 and it didnt look better, thats one scenario where I prefered auto hdr but more testing is required.
Would love to see the difference between Windows Auto-HDR and RTX-HDR.
i prefer the windows one over nvidias
The early news is auto hdr has raised blacks and rtx hdr doesn’t with the right settings. The only negative to rtx hdr compared to auto hdr is the performance cost. That’s the early reviews I read from people online.
@@Ray-dl5mpfrom my experience using the rtx HDR on my FO48U compared to the windows version is that it blew out the colors and saturation an no matter how much i calibrated it it was no good compared to the windows hdr and hdr on my monitor calibrated correctly it look far better and the performance was better as well.. another thing is that when you dont want to use RTX HDR you still receive the performance hit.. and have to uninstall the new app and reinstall geforce experience to fix the performance hit
@@cheeemzy6651 RTX HDR's real neutral settings are:
-50 saturation for unaltered colours.
45 white paper
+25 contrast for 2.2 gamma, +50 for 2.4 gamma
Digital Foundry covered this in their RTX HDR video. Check it out.
I had never heard of "RTX HDR".
Gracias por el video, en mi caso no encuentro mucha diferencia entre el HDR nativo y el de nvidia en juegos sdr cono eurotruck simuleitor o scum que son los juegos que más uso, no veo diferencia entre el rtx hdr y el auto hdr, monitor hp q27x hdr10 de 165 hzs
the app only shows 465 Nits on my pc :( i got a 1000 nits Oled Monitor :( anybody know what the issue is ?
Looks better with rtx HDR.
If you are using the LG C series TV,you should turn the max brightness to about 800 in RTX HDR.
Should have done HDR comparison to the game that has excellent HDR that isn't flawed in order to expose the flaws of RTX HDR. I'm pretty sure there are plenty (like overshooting some colors, making things brighter then they are suppose to be etc...) as it is on "assume" basis cranking stuff up according to database it has but that doesn't necessarily mean that that is how the game is suppose to look and feel visually.
What if creator intended in a certain scene for colors and brightness to be more muted to instill certain emotions and with RTX HDR it just cranks it up to what it assumes should be due to its database?
I'd like to see perhaps thorough test comparison to see how it changes the image to originals intent. I have a hunch that RTX HDR will make all games look the same HDR and color wise. It sees a light and it will always be identically bright across the games... Bonfire, moon, sun, bright scenes, that they'll all look the same across the games range which would be very bad if that's the case.
Sure it does look promising from just activating it and seeing it's turning things into HDR but I feel there is a huge impact on visual emotion if we scratch the surface of it.
While I agree to an extent if the game has bad HDR and RTX HDR fixes the problems without changing the image much in other ways then it's better. I've used it to play through the Wolfenstein series which don't have HDR and I found it much better and from what I remember on my previous play through it didn't change the mood of the game in a negative way if anything it was better because it had more contrast.
@@WArockets it can't fix bad HDR. It doesn't correct HDR. It broadens values of SDR feed.
But pay close attention to what I wrote... we don't know how much it alters the mood we need comparisons. Deep investigations on the tech.
There is a risk of this damaging the mood and the feel of many games that creators spend months tuning to get the visual emotion in a scene.
As the system is automatic and changes values according to a database and if my hunch is correct it means all games will look the same. Every lamp will have similar nits. Every puff of cloud exactly the same nit brightness... every lightbulb etc.
This kills the soul of the visual mood.
Just because it makes image HDR with dynamic and varying levels od brightness doesn't mean it's automatically good....
It's the artistical intent that may be killed with RTX HDR.
This is indeed just an emulation of HDR based on SDR source and it can very well guess wrong and make things that are not supposed to be bright look brighter. Things like white stripes on clothing may look like reflectors in worst case. 😁
It does have some adjustments though. If you feel like that the image deviates too much from the artistic intent then you can change it. You can adjust color saturation, yoi can adjust peak brightness and you can change the gamma curve from super contrasty and popping to more washed out looking.
@@MaaZeus Yeah that's great that they added adjustments for users... But still one doesn't have any clue as to what creator wanted the visual emotion to be. They could adjust to how they want to feel looking but never get the feel for what the creator wanted to instill...
That's my biggest gripe.
Wish digital foundry did thorough and in depth analysis of RTX HDR instead of just going "wow it turns SDR image into HDR without actual HDR, that's amazing!".
Which is also where Gaming Tech has a chance to do some in depth analysis and uncover all the actual flaws and how much it deviates from the original creators intent be it the loss when doing SDR to RTX HDR ... Or comparing HDR native to RTX HDR and how much do the games look samey with it or not...
as well as some actual proper flaws like the error you noticed where white stripes on clothings can turn out to be bright as reflector lol.
We need some actual dissection of technologies like this that come instead of "wow you flip the switch it does turn on and change stuff". xD
We need data damn it. Academic data in order to observe and tell which one is a tool and which one is a gimmick made to fool us up.
I agree with this. SDR Games should be palyed in SDR. Eevery form of auto HDR conversion throws accuracy completely out the window. Yeah you get more color , brightness and contrast but that is not how the Game was supposed to look. AT that point why even calibrate your TV if you are just gonna change the original color grading anyway.
What RTX HDR settings do you recommend on an LG OLED monitor with max 603 nits?
NVIDIA is not a multi-million dollar company. It's multi-trillion dollar one.
Test Last of us part 1 plz
Can you do an HDR analysis of horizon forbidden west on PC please?
Hi, Same here, when I downloaded the app and activated the filters option I lost about 5 to 10% in performance. Yes it looks nice and the feature is good but they should fix the performance issue, so I uninstalled it.
My pc Spec:
ryzen 9 7950x3d
RTX 4090
RAM 32G 6000mhz CL30
With a 4090 why not use the fact the card is so powerful to take advantage of the extra features?
RTX HDR ist zwar super, aber leider noch sehr buggy 😒Man kann RTX HDR Global aktivieren oder jeweils in einem ausgewählten Spiel. Das funktioniert aber oft mehr schlecht als recht. In Robocop zB stürzt das Game komplett ab bei Aktivierung in der nvidia App unter Spiele. Wenn man aber RTX HDR global aktiviert, dann stürzt es nicht ab. OK, dann aktiviert man es eben global sollte man denken, wenn es eh nur bei non HDR Spiel getriggert wird. Aber dem ist nicht so. Bei Dead Island 2 ist bei aktivierten RTX HDR das Bild komplett ausgewaschen. Hier wird nicht erkannt, dass HDR bereits in Dead Island 2 aktiviert ist. In Remnat 2 funktioniert es auch nicht richtig. Wenn ich es in der App unter Remnat aktiviere, ist es bei Spielstart nicht aktiv. Um RTX HDR in Remnat 2 nutzen zu können MUSS es global aktiviert werden. OK, es ist eine Beta aber solche gravierende Bugs sollten bei nvidia nicht auftreten.
Kommt noch ein Video mit den RTX HDR Einstellungen??
Hi, ich habe mal eine Frage. Wenn mein TV auf HGiG geht eingestellt ist und ich die Kalibrierung mit dem HDR Tool von MS durchführe, so kommen Zweifel auf. Wenn ich die maximale Peak Brightness einstelle komme ich auf 750 Nits und maximales Weiß ebenso. Jedoch messe ich mit meinem Colorimeter von Spyder nach und er kommt auf maximal 530 Nits. Was stimmt nun?
I installed the Nvidia Beta App, but I do not see RTX HDR filter in the list when I open the freestyle menu... Dynamic Vibrance and other filters are in the list, but no RTX HDR... And I cant find any information online about it. If you have any ideas about why, any help would be appreciated.
I have the same problem, he writes to me that the display is not detected. Although HDR is enabled.
Aren't you supposed to set the peak brightness to match the peak brightness on your screen, then it makes no sense to set it to max
Modern LG OLEDs have a peak brightness of over 1000 nits.
@@DasAntiNaziBroetchen Yes and many others do too.. but my point is that many tv monitors with hdr have a different scale of peak brightness below 1000 and he do not adress that in the video
The lack of multi monitor support is a deal breaker for now. Also using the RTX HDR mod is a pain in the ass too. I know they have announced a fix or update to allow for multiple monitor support, but I hope it is soon.
What happens if you a SDR monitor 😳
What do you think?