I could have sworn that back in the 2000s in this Desciclopedia website (BR version of Unciclopedia) there was a list of Chuck Norris facts about Cpt. Nascimento.
25:21 To give an idea how routine that is. In Rio there's a app that updates the user with the location of firefights in real time so they can avoid getting in the crossfire.
@@TheAlmightyLoli Here's another one, back in the mid 2000s murder rates in São Paulo City got so bad, primarily in the form of mass killings, that to avoid a pr disaster the government stoped counting individual murder victims. So 1 murder account could have anywhere between 1 and 15 victims.
@@braziliantsar Hated that character. It didn't fit Moura at all. He looked and sounded like a 19-year-old pothead in the body of a middle-aged man that should look more like a veteran in his business. Terrible writing for that character, I don't blame Moura.
@@braziliantsarcomo alguém que ja lidou com jornalistas de zona de guerra e ja escutou algumas histórias, o filme é muito bom quando você se toca q não é um filme de guerra, e um filme d drama sobre jornalismo
I was practically raised by Brazilians that moved here to Kansas and they're the ones that taught me Portuguese and introduced me to this movie. They told me a ton of stories about these guys and how the problem with people getting robbed by bikers is so bad that the cops let you run red lights at night because of it.
The famous "magrela", a Honda CG 125, most likely stolen from someone else. Another nugget of Brazilian safety, there are certain types of bikes that have different insurance policies because they're targeted for stealing. And if you had your bike stolen, you have a window of 48 hours for the cops to find, lest it is dismantled and the parts dispatched.
In Brazil, usually after midnight all traffic lights turn yellow and you can just go. some areas the lights turn yellow as early as 10pm. Other common fact is in the middle of the day, some guys break car windows to get your phone and go away. non related but, the three main places that auch things happen are in sao paulo, rio and capitals of the north east. The south of Brazil is actually pretty chill.
@@andremurilo2003It's a myth that the south is "pretty" chill. It's all a matter of specific locations. The south always had and still has some serious and absurd crimes, and PCC has some strong control there. The only difference is you have larger amount of cities you can go out without getting robbed by gun. These even exist in Rio and São Paulo, just mostly outside the capitals and metropolitan areas.
@@braziliantsaryep, people have the wrong assumption that because you don't have people being burned alive inside tires or shit like that, that the other place of Brazil are "safe". But none of those people, unless they live in gated communities with private security would have the courage to sleep with the door and gates of their houses unlocked. Safe countries don't have a habit of building their houses as fortress with tall walls and electric or sharp wire fences on on top of them. Those are characteristics of countries were violence is the norm and is out of control, so people build barrier to protect themselves from the savage outside world.
I live in Rio de Janeiro and man this movie was a cultural watermark when it came out. To this day, it's a brutal and honest look at life in Brazil with crime and corruption. The second movie, oh boy, the actor that played Rocha did so good of a job, people are downright afraid of him to this day hahah. He gets automatic free beers wherever he goes probably
O Rocha me dá medo até hoje auhehuahue. Não por ser um vilão em si, mas sim porque ele é tão real, tão visceral. Existem inúmeros iguais a ele na vida real.
@@elidasilva5558 cara muito bom esse review, fiquei ate arepiado quando terminei, o cara falou tudo e mais um pouco sem ser parcial. Adorei esse almightyloli dei ate sub.
@@elidasilva5558 engraçado que assim que ele começou a falar sobre o impacto eu lembrei que o primeiro filme vazou e começou a ser vendido nos camelôs de filme pirata antes até de estreitar. Todo mundo que eu conheço viu primeiro o pirata e muitos novamente no cinema. Kkkkkk
I have to say that i wasnt particulalry impressed by Rocha. Maybe it was the little screen time or maybe its cause i have been desensitised (by other movies with similar villains). That said what you guys think about Fabio. His actor did a really great job and if like to know if he appears in other movies.
For a good while, BOPE was seen as the avenging angels of Brazilian rage. A lot of people in Brazil do HATE the narcos. I don't mean in that "oh, those criminals" way. No. Real, Sweeney Todd "they all deserve to die" hate. Two situations. The Brazilian voice actor who dubbed Harry Potter and Sokka from Avatar was a cop and was killed by the narcos in an operation in a favela. I don't live in Rio, I live in Manaus (the Amazon forest). Here, we also have a problem with narcos. There are places in my city that everyone knows you just can't go. My friend was once driving to hook up with this girl who lived in an area like that. He drove by one of those streets you aren't supposed to enter and the narcos kept him hostage for an hour while checking his phone so he could prove to the narcos he was just a random dude trying to get some and not a cop, gun to his face and everything. This isn't an uncommon story around my city either. Well, wouldn't you hate them too? If you had to live like us?
We have places like that in America but it’s such a wide open country you can just easily avoid them and the problem doesn’t really grow as big as it does in Brazil.
@@TheAlmightyLoli He was actually supposed to be the original protag of the movie. But they literally switched to Nascimento during the editing process.
Nascimento's rage is the feeling every brazilian has against everything wrong in our country. The scene where he punches a politician is THE dream of every brazilian.
Holy shit, BOPE. So I did a semester abroad in London back in 2015, and met a Brazilian dude while over in Paris. We added each other on FB so I would randomly see his updates. Dude was a member of BOPE and would post the wildest pictures. Ended up looking into them/Brazil/favelas a lot a while back. Faca na caveira
Dude, if you only knew how perfect the dialogue is for us brazilians... every single line on both movies is so quotable in a huge variety of ways that I actually believe it is immensely responsible for a lot of the popularity of the movie. It's so natural, funny and realistic, so full of daily expressions, idioms, wordplay, etc... Tropa de Elite is hands down my all time favorite brazilian movie (and most of my friend's) especially because of it. I can make friends of strangers on the street simply by quoting the movie, that's how good it is. The best part of the movie is its portrayal of our brazilian identity, even if it's in such sad circumstances. Edit: excellent review by the way, almost forgot to say!
@@thelordofcringe to be fair I think it is considered to be above Tropa de Elite by most people and many would call it the best brazilian movie, both in Brazil and abroad. Personally I still prefer Tropa, but many things factor in consideration and I totally understand why people put Cidade de Deus above it.
Depends on the state and city, but that doesn't mean that you should walk alone at night into a back alley in a "safe neighborhood", you learn that when you're a kid.
The only thing I deeply regret about Elite Squad is that no translation will ever do justice to the original Portuguese version. Unfortunately, only a native Brazilian Portuguese speaker, or a foreigner who's been living in Brazil for quite some time, can truly understand the magnificence of this movie
@@evolution__snow6784 there are lots of expressions ans slungs that are used in the movie wich are only popular in rio...due to this, even a native brazilian from a different state can misanderstand some scenes. Seems like you have a profound knowledge in brazilian portuguese and culture, so it was not a challenge, but this is not true for everyone.
@soueuluan I wouldn't say I have profound knowledge on portuguese spoken in Rio, just don't think you need a very good one to understand the movie to a great extent, but I see where you are coming from, sorry that I was mean to you
As frustrating as it is to know that the movies portrait the reality of the situation in Brazil, the mind boggling of it all is how much people embellish and fantasize about the favelas. Some Brazilians defend that everything they do is ok because "it's cultural" and many tourists want to go there and visit as if a war zone were a tourist attraction.
Yeah Israel has the same problem. Thats bored rich 20-30 year olds for you ,who dont want to join the Army because of a lacking sense of responsibility, but watching War as if it was entertainment is ok. No Bravery needed.
Yeah... They glorify a culture where 40k people die annually, a culture where drug sales and consumption run rampant, a culture that's detrimental to economic development. I don't understand how one can defeat Brazil's slums as cultural enrichment
dude... as a brazilian I am HONORED to see you covering this movie... I always trusted your opinions and sights about stuff and see how you liked this movie, which is very influentional here in Brazil, is heart warming
@@vespenegas261 Is it possible to resolve this problem? No, it seems very unlikely. Recently, an ex-convict became president of Brazil. Lula, one of the most notorious criminals to ever hold the office, involved in numerous corruption scandals. Additionally, we face a significant external debt, high inflation, and crime organizations (such as CV and PCC) have infiltrated the government. These criminal organizations are highly organized and entrenched, similar to the movie. They have influence over various sectors, including social media and the music industry (they produce much of the carioca funk music). Moreover, there are NGOs advocating for the rights of criminals, and recent laws from the current government grant many rights to these criminals. For example, they can leave prison to visit their families during holidays, undergo custody interviews where they can claim mistreatment by the police (if they claim mistreatment, even if untrue, the officer can get reprimanded or discharged for doing his job), receive stipends for being in prison, and benefit from sentence reductions (sentences in Brazil that should last 20 years are reduced to a year, for heinous crimes, I'm not joking around). At this point, the only solutions I see are either a civil war or a revolution. The situation is that dire.
Important things gotten wrong in this video: 1. BOPE was not created to combat narco violence in Rio. It was, in fact, created in the 70’s by the army for the police, but to combat bank robberies and hostage situations, which were common in Brazil from actions of communist urban guerrillas. BOPE’s role evolved to combating narcos in the favelas around the 90’s, when that began to become a real problem. 2. BOPE is NOT a death squad. The knife through the skull is a military symbol that means “victory over death”. BOPE was created by the special operations command of the brazilian army in the early 70’s, but they have nothing to do with the brazilian commandos. The commandos, who also have a skull with a knife in it, were established in 2002, after a reorganization of the special operations command of the brazilian army. BOPE is a batallion sized special forces unit created to combat bank robberies and rescue hostages, and later became one of the most important (and famous) units in combating gang violence in Rio, but far from the only one. Many times they operate alongside CORE, BPChq, BAC, RECOM, PATAMO, and other elites units in Rio’s police. Also, none of these units were created specifically to combat drug violence either, they just inherited the role from regular police forces from the 90’s onwards when the violence became a bit overwhelming for the regular police.
It's called death squad not because their badge, but because always that they engage roles over the favelas someone dies, and I'm not trying to say this in a bad way
are we gonna ignore that those urban guerrillas didnt exist in a vaccuum and because of a military dicatorship that would torutre, kill and make people disappear? and that every single piece of the brazilian armed forces and cops (civillians and PMs) are corrupted to the core and get money from narco too? To the point they execute people and pretend they are "pacifying" favelas when in truth they are getting territory under their just as corrupt control? They are just as bad as the narcos, but on top of that they are sanctioned by the state
Great video but I'd just like to make a remark. There's a technical reason we don't use the word "cartel" and why it's totally wrong. Cartel in Portuguese means different competitors make a price deal between themselves so they can control the market and avoid conflict. This doesnt happen in Brazil, each faction controls the area they can in the base of pure violence and government influence. México has cartels, Brazil has criminal factions (facções criminosas). Department stores have cartels, drug traffickers don't
Hey Loli, not to discredit this film's connection to City of God but technically City of God was directed by a different guy named Fernando Meirelles, whereas the Tropa De Elite films are directed by José Padilha. All three films are written by Bráulio Mantovani however.
I think one of the things I like most about your channel is how you bring attention to a bunch of well made and interesting foreign films from time to time instead of jumping on the easy hate bandwagon with stuff like the Acolyte or Velma, and instead tend to focus on what you generally like, and that passion shines through and has convinced me more than one occasion to try something new.
This I understand making a single video about bad show being bad, but reviewing every ongoing episode of a show you don't like is just milking your audience.
Hey, Brazilian fan here this actually IS a starship troopers situation, sorta the first film was rushed by the studio, Padilha wanted to add more scenes where Capt Nascimento would look even worse and villanous The film was originally about portraying both sides in such a bad light, the idea of morality itself becomes WAY more ambiguous But anyways, the video was awesome, I love BOPE and I love you videos, Mr Loli Man Desejo Sucesso e Felicidades!
Originally the movie would start with Neto and Mathias starting their jobs at the police station and it would go on from there until they went to rescue Fabio on the favela on which point Cap Nascimento would appear for the first time but he stole the show and in screen tests everyone loved him so they did more scenes with him and they changed the movie so Neto and Mathias would be seen from his perspective
I worked with a guy from Sao Paulo who had one of these commandos walk up on him while he was parked in his car. Apparently he was sitting in his car smoking a J, and heard a shotgun pump, then looked over and saw a commando aiming it at his head. My coworker said the officer demanded to know if he was a "gang member", and when my coworker said no, the guy told him to drive off and never park there ever again. I was haunted by this story, but he said that the Commando was actually pretty nice compared to some of the others. ..if that's being "nice" , i don't want to know what the other side of the coin is.
The commandos regularly kill civilians in revenge killings or when they can't find any gangsters in the area. The guy you worked with did not look like a favela resident to the commando, so he was let go.
@@bigman88george3 Se você for brasileiro, deixa eu te falar sobre minhas experiências. O que você diz e o que a mídia reporta nem sempre correspondem à realidade. Muitas vezes, os chamados "moradores de favela" são, na verdade, membros de quadrilhas ou estão armados. É muito fácil opinar sobre isso sem nunca ter participado de uma operação policial. Falar de especulações policiais na internet é muito facil, mas defender bandidos dizendo que são apenas moradores e ainda apresentar essa visão para gringos, fazendo parecer que nossa polícia é composta só por pessoas ruins, é um grande desrespeito. Você deveria ter vergonha de afirmar isso. Aposto que você é um playboy que nunca pisou em uma favela.
@@MisakiSTG-mz3ewPo legal só que é simplemente um fato que muitaz vezes bandido morto em troca de tiro é inocente as vezes até criança que foi forjado e nem teve tiroteiro, o cara simplesmente falo que crimes sao feitos pela nossa policia e é verdade e vc faz um textao de mimimi pra dizer que ele ta desrespeitando todos policias pr só falar um fato
@@MisakiSTG-mz3ew"aposto q é um playboy que nunca pisou em favela" Sim favela lugar famoso por não ter quase ninguem com opnioes do ruims sobre o papel da policia
@carloszerpa2312 Dirty Harry: 1971 BOPE: 1978 Cops dispensing street justice was an entire film genre by that point, it's entirely plausible that's where they got the idea.
I've worked with a lot of people who spoke Portuguese from brazil. From how I came to understand, they also seem to struggle with the language too lmao. Apparently the difference between regional accents is really extreme.
@@PedroTorres-ky2yx everyone had a very distinct English accent. One guy sounded Austrian, one guy sounded Italian, some sounded like they were from Mexico, but no, they all only spoke Portuguese(for the most part). It subverted expectations I didn't even know I had.
One small detail that reinforces how Tropa de Elite don't glorify the BOPE is that, when Nascimento is rampaging through the Favela on the third act, even one of the bope officers complain about Nascimento methods and leave the favela and the operation to find Baiano out of disgust. So Nascimento is extreme even for BOPE standards in that moment
What this movie does not show, is that in real life, Nascimento would have been killing civilians in revenge, something BOPE has done when one of their own goes down.
@@bigman88george3 You're literally a bot, you're not Brazilian, every comment you want to talk about BOPE but you don't even live here, third comment responding you.
@@MisakiSTG-mz3ew Everything you've read from me... is coming from a bot? Looks like you are one of those upper-class Brazilians that think the slum residents are all dogs who need to die. How about you respond to the points I made?
The thing that makes the movie so loved and admired, beside the amazing cinematography and story, is that it perfectly captures the feeling of how frustrated brazilians are with the cartels. There is a scene in the second movie, right after the prison executions where Capt. Nascimento walks in a steakhouse to have a talk with politicians and gets applauded by the other clients, which is a thing that could really happen in real life. We don't want brutality and violence in the police neither in the cartels, but if we must tolerate it, most of us think "melhor eles que a gente" (its better they (suffer it) than us).
But what people are not realizing, or caring about, is that favela residents minding their business are oppressed and killed by the police and BOPE as well. Revenge killings, death quotas, what about that?
A great part of the movie that is lost if you are not brazillian is the dialogue. It's so well written and so natural that it has lead a great deal of people to see the movie as, surprisingly, very funny. Be sure that the average brazillian has A LOT of the quotes in the movie in mind.
Eh, i cant understand portuguese, but there were quite a few times i laughed out loud watching this movie, pretty much any time nasciemento calls any of the drug dealers fagg0ts had me laughin
Corruption down south works like cancer, you can only "fight" it... That's it. The original and the sequel are a perfect escalation of the concept, those critics have no real life experience.
That's also how I think of the BOPE. Not who they go after but who they don't. Or maybe BOPE gets to march some mayor or cops to jail? The USA has little trouble getting Mexican criminals extradited but higher officers in the Mexican security services are a bit harder.
@@Bandog23 street cop wise? About the same I’d bet, but I can’t say Mexico has a unit anywhere similar to the b.o.p.e. I know Mexico has some brutal areas in it but those favelas are a tactical and strategic nightmare with nothing comparable outside of maybe Africa or maybe china. the favelas always gave me a similar impression as Kowloon but with the chance of more full auto and grenades.
Actually they're a bunch of psychos snorting cocaine all day. BOPE is full of corruption and mob ties. Police in RIo de Janeiro is compromised. Tropa de Elite 2 talks about it. Tropa de Elite was never made to be a 'PRO COP' movie, it was made to show the real face of our shit police. but ppl are dumb here, after Tropa de Elite 1 launch, ppl started idolizing psychos BOPE agents, the second movie shows the true face of the problem.
The student protests part of the film reminds me of Charlton Heston talking about his phone line being blown up by anti-guns and anti-police Hollywood elite during the LA Riots. Asking to borrow guns and bodyguards for protection against rioters.
One very important thing about the modern Bope: There is now corruption even within the Bope, much less than in other forces, but still present anyway. A whole new criminal faction of hitman was born with a former Bope, the Escritório do Crime( Crime Office)
The scene of the bope officer executing at 5:58, you can see that he kneels before shooting him instead of shooting from above so to make it not appear as an execution
I am a police officer, not im Rio's but in São Paulo. Here things are different from Rio, open violence is not as common but it still happens a lot. Here we don't have BOPE, but we do have ROTA; which are similar and were made for the same objective. Answering some of your questions as a police officer. We always say that there is a human behind the uniform, we, sometimes, arrest someone; only to see them again after a week or so. The law here is not bad, but it is flawed. Brazil was under a dictatorship until 1988 and a new constitution was made. Our constitution is too young and prioritize the individual freedom above all else. It is not a bad thing, but, it does leave room for people to commit crimes without much consequence. I've seen cops get angry and do things that some would describe as inhuman and I've seen cops treat criminals very gently. It depends. Honestly, things will get worse before they get better. I believe, personally, that i prefer a criminal dead than being arrested and freed the next week.
"We don't stand a chance in hell with these rules of engagement, sir, they can tell us where, they can tell us when, don't tell us how." - Gaz (CoD Mw19)
Difference is that BOPE is seen as justified as a last resort. Meanwhile whichever PMC group Price is from and the line is kinda glorifying NATO black squads like one a friend used to serve in. Like, the S.A.S., limited by rules of engagement? Even in London they are pretty much allowed. It's the common police limited, primarily when fighting against undocumented peoples. They're ghosts who think they can do what they want with a great recruitment pool of needy people. At times because of their own choices.
Dude ydk how angry this mistake made me. Fernando Meireles and especially Katia Lung (kinda chind abuse? Aside) make tropa de elite looks like fast and furious in comparison with the godfather.
For people who don't know anything about Brazil and want some context or are thinking about traveling to Brazil this is my opinion and tips as a Brazilian about the country, you are free to think differently from me. Brazil is full of cultural diversity and intrinsic problems. Like most developing countries Brazil has some cities that seem from a developed safe and vibrant country, but at the same time it has cities that have little security and infrastructure. Small to medium-sized cities are generally safe and are also very great to tourists (those in the south especially) but are generally not known. The northern region is the least safe, Rio de Janeiro (the city) and the northeast are also unsafe. However, all these regions are full of attractions that are also worth visiting, but be careful. In the south and southeast, things are generally more peaceful, but I would pay attention when walking in São Paulo capital and on the coast area of São Paulo, just don't be an idiot and pay attention to your belongings just like you would if you are in an USA big city. In terms of crime in the south and interior of São Paulo the crime rate is low and the HDI is high, generally the most committed crimes do not involve brutality and even this crimes are low. I see that it is common for foreigners to want to go on excursions to the big cities favelas, I wouldn't recommend it. You probably won't die or anything like that, But the idea seems a bit stupid, why would you go to a dangerous place where people live without security and infrastructure just to take pictures or something like that? (But you have the right to be stupid) Most Brazilians have never set foot in a favela, most Brazilians haven't been near a favela, so don't ask any random person about favelas they will probably know as much as you. Remember, Brazil is very diverse, and the problems that affect a certain group sometimes do not affect others, some problems are shared, but in general the regions are very different from each other. In general, the whole of Brazil is criminally underrated. I only talked more about crime because of the video, I thought it would be worth my time to explain which regions are more or less safe for anyone who is concerned. Brazil is much more than safe or unsafe regions, Brazil is one of the countries in the Americas that has the most history, I would recommend knowing a little of our history, geography and cultural differences before coming here. Your trip will probably be much more interesting, well planned and much more exciting than going to Rio, seeing Christ, seeing the favelas, seeing Leblon and leaving. Oh, and one more thing, if you want to visit the capital, you will need to download Uber or rent a car, the city is not made for walking (message for Europeans). We have a well-established delivery system, ordering food is easy, use the Ifood app to order food or just google the place you want to buy from, we do not use Uber Eats. Finding markets is not a problem, at least in more developed regions of the country (the others idk about this) you will always have a large market within walking distance. The healthcare system is reliable and free but you will have to wait in lines, (For something not too serious.) you can get medicine for free, but I imagine you will need to register in some government site, it should be possible to do it online. But I'm not sure. It's a good idea to research about this before coming to Brazil. The police number is 190, but they respond to 911 or 112. (If you call from these two numbers, your cell phone will be tracked, the call will first be made in Portuguese and then they will be passed on to an attendant in English, if you don't speak Portuguese.), In case of emergency, ambulances are free and the number is 192. If you don't remember, just call 911 and they will forward the call to SAMU (mobile emergency response service). There are a lot of things I left out that are also important, but normally that's it.
Max Payne gave me a fascination with Brazil. Well it all started when I wanted to learn cooking from different cultures (Brazil was the first), and learn the language a bit. I'm Mexican and love how there are words in their language that I can find in our own. I can't quite understand full sentences, but I like to read it and listen to it. I hope one day Brazil resolves all its issues.
While Rio isnt a picture of the entirety of Brazil, the feelings presented in this movie are quite universal in the country. Mainly, the conflict between hating crime and political corruption, but also knowing that police brutally is a bad answer to all of those questions, even though its the one we use the most.
4:46 As someone from Brazil, those "critics" do not understand the reality we live in. The reality is way worse than what they shollw on the film. It is violent, brutal, because IT IS like that.
As a Brazilian guy that watches video essays on various things I am thrilled to see someone analyzing one of our movies, that's incredibly rare for me. Mas o cara não botou a música do Tihuana pô sacanagem
There are two sides to this movie here in Brazil: - There's the crown who loves it because they see justice being done. A symptom of the rage common people have against crime and its organized face; - and there's the crowd who loves it because it show the police brutality in Brazil, seeing as BOPE just invades homes, slaps faces, tortures and executes people left and right. Though it must be said that BOPE's violence is different from the normal police (according to the movie), because the latter is corrupt, and the former is seen as a violent and brutal reaction by the poor-hating politicians and bourgeosie. Both of these reactions to this movie just captures a half of what it portrays, so much so the characters aren't really important, but the message gets the forefront. IMO, it just shows how terrible this society is, because it is producing this violent crime state in people's lives and the only reasonable answer (according to the common people) is the react equally violently. Do remember, Rio de Janeiro, which once was the capital of the brazilian republic AND the brazilian empire, is ⅔ dominated by corrupt cops and narcos.
One thing I should add: a large part of why a part of the public loves BOPE and the police is because of the military dictatorship that happend here for 20 years, from the 60's to the 80's. Many people just LOVE the army and their dictatorship, because there were some good economic years while they were in power, and because they weren't doing drive-bys and explodind cars and robbing banks in favor of the USSR. Not coincidentally, the people who praise this movie and think it is a "pro-cop" movie are the ones who grew up in the dictatorship. Now, what about the guys robbing banks in order to topple the dictatorship and install some proto-socialist government? Didn't they grow up at this time? Well, I have to tell you something: these were students who go to public universities. Public universities are for rich kids, and rich kids are socialists. In the 90's they became political leaders, who rule this country to this day
@@cipher48 have to agree with 80% of it. two things I would respectfully disagree: 1.The military dictatorship wasn't as good in economics as it may seem, they just faked it well 2. I totally understand the stereotype from public universities, but this stereotype is raised by some people that get famous on twitter, etc... I know a lot of people from different public universities who came in bad economics situation (we have financial support from the government) and I know a lot of people (including professors and people from social science) who are right winged. Speaking from inside of one, we have a lot of diversity in thinking and lifestyles (including the ones from the stereotype), but they aren't the majority from my experience
also, IMO, painting the public university as a far-left wing bubble is something a lot of people do to try to demoralize it and make people think they should not try, wich is a shame though, we have a lot of free programs from health to economic courses (know boths) which people don't even know. Besides, you can walk, know and see all the classes for free, it's a public space after all :)
@@gabrielambrosio8298as a center-left person who studied at a public university and knows a lot of people still in them, I disagree a bit on that specific point. The public universities have always been the seedbed of the hard left and have always been at least ~50% hard left in terms of student body, but in recent years as global politics polarized the students went further left. Though honestly this is no different from major high-end private universities, it’s just a reflection of young high-income people leaning left on average like everywhere in the world (while the religious/conservative right grows among poorer/emerging classes). But I agree that while politics can hinder students in unrelated fields via protests/“strikes”, it’s still an amazing deal to get that level of education for free, and sets you apart from the general population by a large margin.
@@gabrielambrosio8298 I think I didn't expressed myself as clear as I wanted regarding the dictatorship. I didn't say their economic policies were good, just that there were good years during their time in power. In the late 60's and early 70's, Brazil had a lot of economic grouth. The problem is, as any developmentalism evonomics do, they fail in the long run, so we eneded up losing the rest of the 70's to the two oil crisis, the 80's and the 90's. Now regarding public universities, I can't say you are wrong, because my experience has been way different than yours. I honestly don't know what to take away from it
It's crucial to understand that, until the early 1980s, cocaine was both rare and extremely costly in Brazil. The situation began to change with the implementation of Reagan's War on Drugs, which prompted Colombian cartels to seek out new markets for their products. As a result, Brazil and Argentina emerged as key destinations for the cartels' cocaine exports. This shift led to significant social changes: pickpockets evolved into drug dealers, and the violence in the slums increased dramatically, becoming much more prevalent and severe.
Another excellent review video, Loli-man. As a military geek who loves researching into specialized forces of different nations, these movies seem to be right up my alley. Also, much love to any Brazilian bros in the comments! 🇺🇸💚💛💙🇧🇷
@@Bandog23 UN, Amnesty International and friends™ can go and stick those claims up their south ends. The only way they would understand the situation is to live it.
I think you mistook it for Hungarian, that language is slamming against a wall to even try to understand it (with sentence formation close to how Yoda speaks).
One of the things I hated most about Max Payne 3 and its inspiration from the Elite Squad films was how much Rockstar tried to make the city of São Paulo "Carioca". The problems represented in the films are, to a large extent, particular to Rio de Janeiro. Things in São Paulo are quite different and, in many ways, more violent.
Brazilian here, a guy who’s from the Unit trained in the same BJJ gym I train in, I had the opportunity to briefly roll with him(grappling equivalent of sparring), and I say briefly because I was on the floor with my arm locked within 3 seconds of shaking hands at the start of the bout. The level of training these guys have is insane 🙂
If you go over to forgotten weapons there’s a video of a 1902 madsen light machine gun that was being used by Brazilian police. These dudes are fighting for their lives with 120+ year old equipment and still find a way to make it work. They still use madsens due to a lack of full auto weapons for the police.
They have modern weaponry no problem. They just like using the weapon. An old Documentary I saw shows some of them armed with p90 submachine gun. They have their helicopters; they have their armored vehicles that roll down the streets. They are fine.
@@bigman88george3 they have multiple levels of military and law enforcement that don’t all use the same gear. The demand for arms across all these branches exceeds the supply. Which is why they are still using old guns. I don’t know if you think I’m making that up but I was just trying to provide additional information for people who watched the video. Feel free to continue not googling it, I’m sure there’s zero photos or videos of what I’m talking about. It’s not like I started the comment by stating my source.
@@bartisreallykewl I know the forgotten weapons video you are talking about. Nowhere in the video did Ian say that the BOPE are underfunded. They just still like to use the gun. Due to the militarized nature of the special police in that country, all they want is more guns, the newest guns. even though what they have now is fine.
As a brazilian that got into Berserk through your videos: DAMN THAT WAS UNEXPECTED Now that that's out of the way, can't wait to hear your thoughts on this masterpiece.
a friend Form Rio de Janeiro once told me that he understand Nascimento, cuz the gangs and criminals are truly a scum there That's a fun fact, the director meant to show how the police is corrupt, but end up that most Brazilians agree with Nascimento, Cuz We Have some Problem with criminals and the goverment doesn't do a Thing About It But Holy shit, Finally Someone Who can Explain the movie By itself Instead of some Political Shit, Thanks Loli, I Love Your Channel ❤ Vai Brasil 🇧🇷 P.S. Sorry, I Got Ecxited to mention this trivia when I was finishing the secmention of First Movie, but You Put It later on, my apologies Btw, Love Your videos
Você vê como a elite intelectual brasileira é completamente descolada da realidade quando achavam que o capitão nascimento seria encarado como vilão. Não tem como, é um policial batendo em vagabundo. O crime para essas pessoas é uma estatística, para o brasileiro médio é uma realidade, é um amigo que se perde nas drogas ou no tráfico, é uma arma na sua cabeça, é alguém com uma faca te ameaçando no meio da noite... É uma dor real. E a ação policial também é algo real, muitas vezes negativa, mas quando faz algo correto tem apoio.
Brazilian here. The main reason why "Elite Squad" is accused of being "pro-cop" it's because, since Brazil has a chronic issue with urban violence and criminality, and since A LOT of official media channels and political groups try to portrait criminals in a sympathetic light, using euphemisms like "suspects" or even "victims of society", the average brazilian has developed such a deep hatred towards these criminals that A LOT of people end up actively rooting for the cops in these movies. There is even, there again, issues involving vigilantes and people doing justice with their own hands, because of how tired they are of the high criminality.
It's interesting how in the government and media's attempts to make criminal's victims, it only makes people hate them more. I guess it's hard to see these people as "victims of society" when they're robbing and killing the people you know.
Depends on the midia, most people have a problem undertanding technical language also, everyone is a suspect until the judge say otherwise, even if is clearly that they are guilty. Obviously some people really just hated the police and for consequence defend criminals but mostly is a misunderstanding
😂😂😂, não amigo, ele é tudo como pro polícia, pq no filme coloca o BOPE como um centro de excelência porém não corrupto, o que 2 min de busca no Google já mostra que isso é uma ocultação, as milícias não nasceram dos policiais normais corruptos e sim de vários policiais que fizeram carreira no BOPE, exemplo Adriano da Nóbrega e Roni Lessa... São milhares de PM do BOPE ligados a corrupção, tráfico de drogas, assassinos de aluguel, guarda costas dos bicheiros etc...
@@filiperosa7496they call a criminal convicted in three instances the legitimate president 😂 and people who are arrested illegally are called "Golpistas". Is not technical language they are just deeply associated with criminal politicians who are involved with even more criminal factions such as PCC
I grew up quite literally down the street of the bope HQ in laranjeiras, Rio de janeiro. We used to hear them marching down the hill singing every morning and the "caveirão" rolling down every once in a while. They're scary af
Brazilian here: 2:00 - In Brazil, our police service is provided by two different police agencies, the PM (Military Police) and the PC (Civil Police). The Military Police got its name because it was a police agency formed during the Republican transition period in Brazil at the beginning of the 21st century. It originated from civilian militia units composed of military veterans of the Brazilian Armed Forces (Army), and because it was part of the federative thesis of autonomy of the member states of the Federation, which led to the development of these police units into small armies at the service of the state government (the State of São Paulo led an attempted revolution in 1932 with its Police, and after their defeat, the national government created laws that prevented police units from acquiring a series of war materials and specialized units that would make them equivalent to the Army). It is a police force that only acts in the repression of ongoing crimes. The Civil Police is the one that acts in the investigation of crimes. Yes, a structurally inefficient and internationally outdated model, but......politicians don't like to make structural changes lol. 2:00 - 2:15 - perfect!! 2:36 - 2:28 - rssrr It is the most common thesis of the Brazilian Left, but it is justifiable. Despite being a common thesis in the international discourse of the Left, the military heritage and the ostentatious action make the PM a fundamental target of the Left's theses about fascism/authoritarianism of the Neo/Liberal State, Watch the movie Elite Squad 2 - The Enemy Is Now Another (The Enemy Within). The film's director sort of makes an ideological reconciliation with the Left in the next film in the series. Yes, both films are/were supposed to be an anti-fascist critique of police units and the ideological-political body that financed them. The director was even brilliant in this aspect by doing this with these films. But...... the shot backfired mainly in the first one, which is a bastion of Conservative culture that defends a strong fist against crime. Something that the Left hates and finds funny/sarcastic at the same time...... think of something like the current discourse about The Boys. 2:54-2:26 - Nope..... www.imdb.com/name/nm0655683/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk 10:29 - 10:41 - YES ........lol... you understood this shit that is Brazilian police policy Furthermore, the video is incredible and very well articulated in its critique and presentation of the themes represented in the films.
The reason why BOPE is so hotly criticized by people is not only because of their brutality against criminals, but their brutality against civilians and people they merely suspect are in gang activity. Although the movies are very good, it does not show the full evil that BOPE and the regular police are capable of, where they will go on revenge rampages where they shoot anybody they see when one of their own are killed by gangs. They execute any young male they see when they can't find any gangsters, claiming they are involved in gangs with no evidence. BOPE will snipe at gangsters without caring about civilians in the area, sending bullets into their homes. Favela residents complain that they are treated like garbage by the police and BOPE, and then ham it up like they are trying to help them when the cameras are around. And that is what the movies, the author of the book, and this TH-cam video leaves out.
@@bigman88george3 Nice try... but... whatever..your creed, your propaganda, you version off true!! I understood! Thanks for engaging ! And yes, the author of video cited the consequences of BOPE policy wich are in the movie!!
@@PauloSilva-ep9ox Propaganda, huh? So, the dozens of news reports from Brazil over the years is just "propaganda"? You are not going to even examine why a part of the population do not like the police? You are not going to examine the gangs, thought they are ultimately detrimental with the drugs they sell, actually help out the neighborhood, and whole the cops treat them like less than creatures?
@@bigman88george3"Drugs they sell help the neighborhood" Because a drug dealer killing a family worker because he didn't pay the 100 bucks he borrowed in time is totally helpfull and does not exploit the average citizen
That is my impression any time someone thinks "Just make the army do police work". It ends with the police and the other police, where neither are all that good. And the more the army has to focus on this stuff, the less they pay attention to being the army.
As a brazilian, I grew up watching those movies. When I was just a child, every kid loved BOPE because they watched the movie and started to glorify violence as the only solution for our current situation... Going so against the main message of the movie that Padilha was forced to make the second one. But before that, people just took footage of police brutality, showing desecrated corpses of people killed by the police (being innocent or not) without censorship and started to label it as "Tropa de Elite 2, 3, 4 ,5, etc." recording it in a DVD with Nero and sell. But we can blame Padilha for this, since he used Matias POV in the first movie. Matias glorified Nascimento's violence and thought he was right, but Nascimento already started to see his actions as pointless. And the worst: Tropa de Elite really helped to resurrect the brazilian fascism centered on violence against the poor and "people of color". It's ironic that Nascimento, slandered as fascist (even not being one), was the catalyst for this new olive green fascism. Ps.: Diogo Fraga and the governor are inspired by real politicians. Diogo is the representation of Marcelo Freixo and the governor is Anthony Garotinho. The second one was arrested 4 times and guilty of gang formation in 2010.
Unexpected to see you make a video about a brazilian movie, and speaking portuguese in the first few sentences too. But not unappreciated. This is going to be a good one.
"He's finally able to get the anger out on people he sees as deserving his wrath. It's a major aspect of his character-the fact that he truly despises the whole situation. He hates the dealers, he hates the corrupt cops, he hates the college kids who buddy up with the narcos, and the people who say the police go too far. Now, he has a lot of hate to share." @TheAlmightyLoli Nascimento is the perfect description of the Average Brazilian. Most of Brazilians think and would act exactly like him on the Circumstances.
The same director made a Netflix series titled “the mechanism” and its a retelling of the quite recent biggest corruption scandal in Brazil, in my view it explores how brazilian culture is ingrained at its core with corruption which allows this kind of scenario of poverty, violence and inequality seen in the country to flourish, simply put if city of god and elite squad is about the cartels and the police, the mechanism is about the politicians
This is the movie is the Brazilian Starship Troppers: Brazilian left-leaning director tries to loosely adapt a book about war on drugs to discredit police action against cartels but main character ends up as national folk hero. EDIT: Oh and the the director had to make a sequel to recover his leftist rep. LMAO
It's very hard to demonize BOPE or Nascimento, much in the same vein to demonize the Punisher or Batman, they're ordinary people, fed up with the system, choosing to instead act in a way they feel can make a difference. While it's odd to include Batman in this, I've decided to because Twitter thinks he's some sort of rich fascist who loves to beat up people.
Quick correction: City of God is directed by Fernando Meirelles and Katia Lund. Padilha was not involved in this project, but he did directed Bus 174; a brilliant documentary about city bus hijack that paralyzed the city Rio de Janeiro and gripped the country back in 2000.
As part of the thousands of Brazilians flooding this comment section. I think thats a pretty good review, it stays true to the original massage of the film and bring some new points that us, people how live here didn't thought of, while retaining a pretty neutral point of view about it.
oh, man, so glad you took the time to review this. Elite Squad has a legendary status in Brazil, everyone here, and I mean EVERYONE has seen this movie and adores it. You can kind of compare it to The Wire or Generation Kill in terms of realism and social commentary, it's way up there.
I knew I was right subscribing to this channel. Nearly every single movie you have reviewed is something I have seen in the past and loved or something I have 100% heard of and want to watch. I find it interesting. I've been telling my friend about this duology. It's so good, even if a bit long.
Fun fact: The armored cars of Rio's police are called something like big skulls/great skulls. Fun fact 2: 23:55 On that sign it says "Welcome, don't make sudden/fast movements!" Obrigado pelo vídeo, from Rio.
I've being following TAL since the BIG berzerk video, and yeah you can always count on him to do a movie justice when he does a review. Im tempted to just join subscribestar and ask for the second movie review. The fact that you whent as far as to find out that the ex bope guy now does podcasts here in brasil is awesome. He has a ton of cool stories. Great video.
These movies are awesome, I saw the first one on a whim with a Brazilian roommate I had in college! I wish that more movies like this would exist to showcase other criminally intoxicated parts of Latin America and the big problems that still surround the neighborhoods there. Thanks Loli for covering these two!
I never thought I would see you making a video about one of my country's best films. I LOVE this movie! Thanks for making more people know about Tropa De Elite!
Jesus Christ. I almost died when I've heard you speaking Potuguese. That fucking dealt physical damage to me. Also. There is a Brazilian TV Show about what is basically the "other" side.
Just a minor correction: the movie is not based in the "novel"(not a novel imo, more like short stories collection.) and yep, wikipedia is wrong about it. The movie and the book were produced and written almost at the same time. There's this interview of both movie producer and book author Rodrigo Pimentel talking about it: th-cam.com/video/Z3dzdYFG6n4/w-d-xo.html (starts at 4:00).
My only regret is that you didn’t use the original music for thde intro becouse... CHEGOU A TROPA DE ELITE OSSO DURE RUER PEOGA UM PEGA A GERAL TAMBÉM VAI PEGAR VOCE
When Bruce Banner gets angry, he turns into the Hulk. When the Hulk gets angry, he turns into Captain Nascimento.
I could have sworn that back in the 2000s in this Desciclopedia website (BR version of Unciclopedia) there was a list of Chuck Norris facts about Cpt. Nascimento.
@@ChucksSEADnDEADPosso confirmar
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@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Old man shit, mah bro.
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To give an idea how routine that is. In Rio there's a app that updates the user with the location of firefights in real time so they can avoid getting in the crossfire.
Jesus Christ.
@@TheAlmightyLoli Rio de Janeiro is basically tropical Detroit on steroids
@@TheAlmightyLoli Here's another one, back in the mid 2000s murder rates in São Paulo City got so bad, primarily in the form of mass killings, that to avoid a pr disaster the government stoped counting individual murder victims.
So 1 murder account could have anywhere between 1 and 15 victims.
@@UmcarasemvideoAt that point we would begin a military occupation, Jesus Chris.
@@l-nolazck-rn24
We sent the army into the slums some 3 times in the last 20 years already.
Also fun fact, Wagner Moura, the actor who plays Captain Nascimento would go on to play Pablo Escobar in Narcos.
He also voiced the Death in the new Puss in Boots animated movie
And Elysium but nobody cares about that movie, good movie btw.
@@braziliantsar that movie is good
@@braziliantsar Hated that character. It didn't fit Moura at all. He looked and sounded like a 19-year-old pothead in the body of a middle-aged man that should look more like a veteran in his business. Terrible writing for that character, I don't blame Moura.
@@braziliantsarcomo alguém que ja lidou com jornalistas de zona de guerra e ja escutou algumas histórias, o filme é muito bom quando você se toca q não é um filme de guerra, e um filme d drama sobre jornalismo
Brazilians, another gringo has reacted to our cinematic culture! Assemble to praise and defend him!
yes rsrsrsr
YES!
Bora CARAALHOOO!
meio cringe
@@mirai3266 super chad
I was practically raised by Brazilians that moved here to Kansas and they're the ones that taught me Portuguese and introduced me to this movie. They told me a ton of stories about these guys and how the problem with people getting robbed by bikers is so bad that the cops let you run red lights at night because of it.
I mean 2 guys in a bike is pratically a folk creature of horror nowadays for how common this scenrario became
The famous "magrela", a Honda CG 125, most likely stolen from someone else. Another nugget of Brazilian safety, there are certain types of bikes that have different insurance policies because they're targeted for stealing. And if you had your bike stolen, you have a window of 48 hours for the cops to find, lest it is dismantled and the parts dispatched.
In Brazil, usually after midnight all traffic lights turn yellow and you can just go. some areas the lights turn yellow as early as 10pm.
Other common fact is in the middle of the day, some guys break car windows to get your phone and go away.
non related but, the three main places that auch things happen are in sao paulo, rio and capitals of the north east. The south of Brazil is actually pretty chill.
@@andremurilo2003It's a myth that the south is "pretty" chill. It's all a matter of specific locations. The south always had and still has some serious and absurd crimes, and PCC has some strong control there. The only difference is you have larger amount of cities you can go out without getting robbed by gun. These even exist in Rio and São Paulo, just mostly outside the capitals and metropolitan areas.
@@braziliantsaryep, people have the wrong assumption that because you don't have people being burned alive inside tires or shit like that, that the other place of Brazil are "safe". But none of those people, unless they live in gated communities with private security would have the courage to sleep with the door and gates of their houses unlocked. Safe countries don't have a habit of building their houses as fortress with tall walls and electric or sharp wire fences on on top of them. Those are characteristics of countries were violence is the norm and is out of control, so people build barrier to protect themselves from the savage outside world.
TAL is going to get an audience of Brazilians that will combat the silly people on Twitter who slander him
God bless you, you funny little fellows
America may be Number 1, but Brazil? You guys are cool, you can be Number 1.5.
o7 chief
here since de Berserk arc reviews
I can figure out the fakes, just ask them which KOF is the best.
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or ask them who invented powered flight
my fav Matias quote from this movie is "dont worry, baiano has social contentiousness"
the moment he gave up on his second life, such a great line
THAT Line was so monumental Bad A***, Ice cold and... also somewhat funny at the same Time, it was just awesome.
lol, "contentiousness"?
"Don't worry, baiano is socially aware"
@@MrRenatopepin the line makes much more sense (and is a lot funnier) in Portuguese and with the cultural context.
@@Itstwofourteen eu sei cara, hahaha. è que "contentiousness" não é tradução de "consciência".
I walked into this thinking it was a video game. I have walked out with a watch list
Hey Grim didn't expect to see you pop up.
Didn't expect to see you in the comment section. I love your Conan videos.
Nice HAHAHAHA
God bless you Grim, I love seeing two of my favorite TH-camrs appreciating each other, love you too Loli, keep making banger videos
I live in Rio de Janeiro and man this movie was a cultural watermark when it came out. To this day, it's a brutal and honest look at life in Brazil with crime and corruption. The second movie, oh boy, the actor that played Rocha did so good of a job, people are downright afraid of him to this day hahah. He gets automatic free beers wherever he goes probably
O Rocha me dá medo até hoje auhehuahue. Não por ser um vilão em si, mas sim porque ele é tão real, tão visceral. Existem inúmeros iguais a ele na vida real.
@@Gustmazz exatamente
@@elidasilva5558 cara muito bom esse review, fiquei ate arepiado quando terminei, o cara falou tudo e mais um pouco sem ser parcial. Adorei esse almightyloli dei ate sub.
@@elidasilva5558 engraçado que assim que ele começou a falar sobre o impacto eu lembrei que o primeiro filme vazou e começou a ser vendido nos camelôs de filme pirata antes até de estreitar.
Todo mundo que eu conheço viu primeiro o pirata e muitos novamente no cinema.
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I have to say that i wasnt particulalry impressed by Rocha. Maybe it was the little screen time or maybe its cause i have been desensitised (by other movies with similar villains).
That said what you guys think about Fabio. His actor did a really great job and if like to know if he appears in other movies.
"If you wanna work for the devil you better be ready to die for him" that's a good one
For a good while, BOPE was seen as the avenging angels of Brazilian rage.
A lot of people in Brazil do HATE the narcos. I don't mean in that "oh, those criminals" way. No. Real, Sweeney Todd "they all deserve to die" hate.
Two situations.
The Brazilian voice actor who dubbed Harry Potter and Sokka from Avatar was a cop and was killed by the narcos in an operation in a favela.
I don't live in Rio, I live in Manaus (the Amazon forest). Here, we also have a problem with narcos. There are places in my city that everyone knows you just can't go. My friend was once driving to hook up with this girl who lived in an area like that. He drove by one of those streets you aren't supposed to enter and the narcos kept him hostage for an hour while checking his phone so he could prove to the narcos he was just a random dude trying to get some and not a cop, gun to his face and everything. This isn't an uncommon story around my city either.
Well, wouldn't you hate them too? If you had to live like us?
wow manaus? what is it like living in a jungle like that? i would imagine the bugs are a problem?
We have places like that in America but it’s such a wide open country you can just easily avoid them and the problem doesn’t really grow as big as it does in Brazil.
As a man born in Rio, all i have to say is
Literally me
@@vortigan9068 The city itself isn't a forest, it's kind of an enclave in the middle of the jungle.
There are a lot of bugs though lol
@@walmartian422 what do you mean by wide open?
My boy Matias deserved so much more.
Dude was a warrior.
Matias was they white guy right? That guy was kind off an idiot. Going to a favela by himself or charging in alone.
@@TheAlmightyLoliyou should read the elite squad book, shit is tragic and funny at the same time.
@@TheAlmightyLoli He was actually supposed to be the original protag of the movie. But they literally switched to Nascimento during the editing process.
The scenes of him being chastised and shouted down by brainrotten activists who have no idea what they're talking about are so relatable.
Nascimento's rage is the feeling every brazilian has against everything wrong in our country. The scene where he punches a politician is THE dream of every brazilian.
Im very surprised that there were no ripercussion for that. Guess you really dont fuck with the Death Squad!
@SIGNOR-G It kind of had, since the militia tried to kill Nascimento after that, but he survived, having a militia of his own.
O sonho brasileiro de socar um político é MUITO real
too bad his actor is a commie
@@_castro infelizmente nem todos são assim tem sempre os mama ovo que ama auxilio e por isso faz tudo pelo estado
Holy shit, BOPE. So I did a semester abroad in London back in 2015, and met a Brazilian dude while over in Paris. We added each other on FB so I would randomly see his updates. Dude was a member of BOPE and would post the wildest pictures. Ended up looking into them/Brazil/favelas a lot a while back. Faca na caveira
Dude, if you only knew how perfect the dialogue is for us brazilians... every single line on both movies is so quotable in a huge variety of ways that I actually believe it is immensely responsible for a lot of the popularity of the movie. It's so natural, funny and realistic, so full of daily expressions, idioms, wordplay, etc... Tropa de Elite is hands down my all time favorite brazilian movie (and most of my friend's) especially because of it. I can make friends of strangers on the street simply by quoting the movie, that's how good it is. The best part of the movie is its portrayal of our brazilian identity, even if it's in such sad circumstances.
Edit: excellent review by the way, almost forgot to say!
BOTA A PORRA DA BANDOLEIRA, 20 ANO DE CURSO
@@geovane19 E O SEU CUTURNO QUE TÁ DESAMARRADO?! SEU ANIMAL!! hahahaha
I'm curious now, because City of God is so famous in America. Was it ever popular in Brazil? And is it still remembered the way it is in America?
@@thelordofcringe to be fair I think it is considered to be above Tropa de Elite by most people and many would call it the best brazilian movie, both in Brazil and abroad. Personally I still prefer Tropa, but many things factor in consideration and I totally understand why people put Cidade de Deus above it.
@@thelordofcringe and to answer more directly, yes, we cherish and are very proud of it. It is a classic brazilian movie and aged very well.
“That’s it, you’re going to Brazil”
NO WAIT NO NO PLEASE AAA
They're all in Brazil, so they'll go to Acre instead, to get sacrificated to the dinossurs
@@Elix111 Or they will also go to espirito santo, to get sanctified
NO! NOT BRASIL! PLEASE NO! NOT BRASIL!!!!!
One of the most horrifying moments of my life was learning that Max Payne 3 wasn't exaggerating how dangerous Brazil was.
Depends on the state and city, but that doesn't mean that you should walk alone at night into a back alley in a "safe neighborhood", you learn that when you're a kid.
Dude, not to diminish Brazil on this but wait to hear about the salvadoran bus burnings.
If anything max payne 3 downplays the danger of the favelas
It's even worse IRL, i saw a video once of like 3 12 year old brazilian kids hacking some kid to death in like a trash dump
@@doomtrooper3184 jfc I see now why bukele locked up 1% of the nation
The only thing I deeply regret about Elite Squad is that no translation will ever do justice to the original Portuguese version.
Unfortunately, only a native Brazilian Portuguese speaker, or a foreigner who's been living in Brazil for quite some time, can truly understand the magnificence of this movie
Lol what any portuguese speaker can understand this movie throughly, drop the snobbery
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Not really.
@@soueuluan yes really
@@evolution__snow6784 there are lots of expressions ans slungs that are used in the movie wich are only popular in rio...due to this, even a native brazilian from a different state can misanderstand some scenes.
Seems like you have a profound knowledge in brazilian portuguese and culture, so it was not a challenge, but this is not true for everyone.
@soueuluan I wouldn't say I have profound knowledge on portuguese spoken in Rio, just don't think you need a very good one to understand the movie to a great extent, but I see where you are coming from, sorry that I was mean to you
As frustrating as it is to know that the movies portrait the reality of the situation in Brazil, the mind boggling of it all is how much people embellish and fantasize about the favelas. Some Brazilians defend that everything they do is ok because "it's cultural" and many tourists want to go there and visit as if a war zone were a tourist attraction.
Yeah Israel has the same problem. Thats bored rich 20-30 year olds for you ,who dont want to join the Army because of a lacking sense of responsibility, but watching War as if it was entertainment is ok. No Bravery needed.
*only what certain groups do that may be seen as negative is passed out as "ok" for being "cultural".
Real d+
the biggest cultural fuck up that we enheriyed by the old republic
Yeah... They glorify a culture where 40k people die annually, a culture where drug sales and consumption run rampant, a culture that's detrimental to economic development. I don't understand how one can defeat Brazil's slums as cultural enrichment
Apenas mais 50 turnos e garantimos a vitória cultural.
como o planejado!!
Civ 7 tá como? 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Exato, logo logo vamos estar à frente da Coréia do Sul.
Excelente referência, muito bom mano
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dude... as a brazilian I am HONORED to see you covering this movie... I always trusted your opinions and sights about stuff and see how you liked this movie, which is very influentional here in Brazil, is heart warming
Think you can reed of this problem in your lifetime?
@@vespenegas261 Is it possible to resolve this problem? No, it seems very unlikely. Recently, an ex-convict became president of Brazil. Lula, one of the most notorious criminals to ever hold the office, involved in numerous corruption scandals. Additionally, we face a significant external debt, high inflation, and crime organizations (such as CV and PCC) have infiltrated the government. These criminal organizations are highly organized and entrenched, similar to the movie. They have influence over various sectors, including social media and the music industry (they produce much of the carioca funk music). Moreover, there are NGOs advocating for the rights of criminals, and recent laws from the current government grant many rights to these criminals. For example, they can leave prison to visit their families during holidays, undergo custody interviews where they can claim mistreatment by the police (if they claim mistreatment, even if untrue, the officer can get reprimanded or discharged for doing his job), receive stipends for being in prison, and benefit from sentence reductions (sentences in Brazil that should last 20 years are reduced to a year, for heinous crimes, I'm not joking around). At this point, the only solutions I see are either a civil war or a revolution. The situation is that dire.
You Brazilians are fucking desperate for attention huh
Important things gotten wrong in this video:
1. BOPE was not created to combat narco violence in Rio. It was, in fact, created in the 70’s by the army for the police, but to combat bank robberies and hostage situations, which were common in Brazil from actions of communist urban guerrillas. BOPE’s role evolved to combating narcos in the favelas around the 90’s, when that began to become a real problem.
2. BOPE is NOT a death squad. The knife through the skull is a military symbol that means “victory over death”. BOPE was created by the special operations command of the brazilian army in the early 70’s, but they have nothing to do with the brazilian commandos. The commandos, who also have a skull with a knife in it, were established in 2002, after a reorganization of the special operations command of the brazilian army. BOPE is a batallion sized special forces unit created to combat bank robberies and rescue hostages, and later became one of the most important (and famous) units in combating gang violence in Rio, but far from the only one. Many times they operate alongside CORE, BPChq, BAC, RECOM, PATAMO, and other elites units in Rio’s police. Also, none of these units were created specifically to combat drug violence either, they just inherited the role from regular police forces from the 90’s onwards when the violence became a bit overwhelming for the regular police.
Good catch on point 1. For point 2, I think he meant that in practice it’s a death squad, which is exaggerated to me but arguably true lol.
It's called death squad not because their badge, but because always that they engage roles over the favelas someone dies, and I'm not trying to say this in a bad way
Cop detected
are we gonna ignore that those urban guerrillas didnt exist in a vaccuum and because of a military dicatorship that would torutre, kill and make people disappear? and that every single piece of the brazilian armed forces and cops (civillians and PMs) are corrupted to the core and get money from narco too? To the point they execute people and pretend they are "pacifying" favelas when in truth they are getting territory under their just as corrupt control? They are just as bad as the narcos, but on top of that they are sanctioned by the state
@@kingeternal_ap not a cop, man. I’m a lawyer. Studied the history of brazilian public security policies in law school.
Great video but I'd just like to make a remark. There's a technical reason we don't use the word "cartel" and why it's totally wrong. Cartel in Portuguese means different competitors make a price deal between themselves so they can control the market and avoid conflict. This doesnt happen in Brazil, each faction controls the area they can in the base of pure violence and government influence. México has cartels, Brazil has criminal factions (facções criminosas). Department stores have cartels, drug traffickers don't
Hey Loli, not to discredit this film's connection to City of God but technically City of God was directed by a different guy named Fernando Meirelles, whereas the Tropa De Elite films are directed by José Padilha. All three films are written by Bráulio Mantovani however.
So this is the brazilian version of Hary Potter?
@@emytzu We would call, Harry potter carioca
A addendum, the screenplay for 'City of God' especifically was written by Mantovani, while the source material was written by Paulo Lins.
Also, both city of god and elite squad share the same editor, Daniel Rezende
Padilha also didn't make narcos
Not afraid to get international with it.
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We're going to Brazil for this one lads!
huehuehue
What is this? Praises BPRE, shits on Ubisoft, and reviews one of the best movie my country ever made?
You're great, dude!
BRAZIL MENTIONED
I think one of the things I like most about your channel is how you bring attention to a bunch of well made and interesting foreign films from time to time instead of jumping on the easy hate bandwagon with stuff like the Acolyte or Velma, and instead tend to focus on what you generally like, and that passion shines through and has convinced me more than one occasion to try something new.
This
I understand making a single video about bad show being bad, but reviewing every ongoing episode of a show you don't like is just milking your audience.
I mean, it's not a hurdle to have The Acolyte lol
Hey, Brazilian fan here
this actually IS a starship troopers situation, sorta
the first film was rushed by the studio, Padilha wanted to add more scenes where Capt Nascimento would look even worse and villanous
The film was originally about portraying both sides in such a bad light, the idea of morality itself becomes WAY more ambiguous
But anyways, the video was awesome, I love BOPE and I love you videos, Mr Loli Man
Desejo Sucesso e Felicidades!
Pimentel said, this padilha story isn't true... but we'll never know
@@joaogandra1381 I feel like its true, some times the film feels rushed
Originally the movie would start with Neto and Mathias starting their jobs at the police station and it would go on from there until they went to rescue Fabio on the favela on which point Cap Nascimento would appear for the first time but he stole the show and in screen tests everyone loved him so they did more scenes with him and they changed the movie so Neto and Mathias would be seen from his perspective
FUN FACT: wagner moura, the actor for Capitão Nascimento voiced The Wolf/Death in Puss in Boots 2 (the english version)
No fucking way
Yes way
@lambda-m1676 yes and it was fucking goated
@@murilosampaio1264 He also played Pablo Escobar in Narcos
@@lambda-m1676 he did???
I worked with a guy from Sao Paulo who had one of these commandos walk up on him while he was parked in his car.
Apparently he was sitting in his car smoking a J, and heard a shotgun pump, then looked over and saw a commando aiming it at his head.
My coworker said the officer demanded to know if he was a "gang member", and when my coworker said no, the guy told him to drive off and never park there ever again.
I was haunted by this story, but he said that the Commando was actually pretty nice compared to some of the others.
..if that's being "nice" , i don't want to know what the other side of the coin is.
"i was haunted by this story"
lol youre a
ps s y
The commandos regularly kill civilians in revenge killings or when they can't find any gangsters in the area. The guy you worked with did not look like a favela resident to the commando, so he was let go.
@@bigman88george3 Se você for brasileiro, deixa eu te falar sobre minhas experiências. O que você diz e o que a mídia reporta nem sempre correspondem à realidade. Muitas vezes, os chamados "moradores de favela" são, na verdade, membros de quadrilhas ou estão armados. É muito fácil opinar sobre isso sem nunca ter participado de uma operação policial. Falar de especulações policiais na internet é muito facil, mas defender bandidos dizendo que são apenas moradores e ainda apresentar essa visão para gringos, fazendo parecer que nossa polícia é composta só por pessoas ruins, é um grande desrespeito. Você deveria ter vergonha de afirmar isso. Aposto que você é um playboy que nunca pisou em uma favela.
@@MisakiSTG-mz3ewPo legal só que é simplemente um fato que muitaz vezes bandido morto em troca de tiro é inocente as vezes até criança que foi forjado e nem teve tiroteiro, o cara simplesmente falo que crimes sao feitos pela nossa policia e é verdade e vc faz um textao de mimimi pra dizer que ele ta desrespeitando todos policias pr só falar um fato
@@MisakiSTG-mz3ew"aposto q é um playboy que nunca pisou em favela"
Sim favela lugar famoso por não ter quase ninguem com opnioes do ruims sobre o papel da policia
To make up for the mixed girl fumble, Loli begins his quest to entice a brazillian chick.
Loli made her history with drugs very clear. "I can fix her" isn't so easy irl.
@@kyon813It's not even easy in fantasy-- it's just that you get ridden into a happily-ever-after, there.
Mixed girl fumble? Is that some lore I'm not aware of?
@goukeban6197 something about kidnapping the perfect mixed race waifu or something. The details don't matter. She got away, that's what matters.
@@coltonwilkie241 I've been playing Max Payne lately, and I just heard that in James McCaffrey's voice.
>Dirty Harry exists
Brazilian Government: Write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN!!
Except this is common place in all of south america
So that explains why Brazilians are dirty and hairy.
@carloszerpa2312 Dirty Harry: 1971
BOPE: 1978
Cops dispensing street justice was an entire film genre by that point, it's entirely plausible that's where they got the idea.
@@mariokarter13 wdym with that
your mind must be so empty and devoid of thought that you can probably hear wind come in your left year and out your right ear
0:07 Ooooohhh, but i really appreciate the attempt!!!
I've worked with a lot of people who spoke Portuguese from brazil. From how I came to understand, they also seem to struggle with the language too lmao.
Apparently the difference between regional accents is really extreme.
Yep, we're a pretty big and diverse country after all.
@@PedroTorres-ky2yx everyone had a very distinct English accent. One guy sounded Austrian, one guy sounded Italian, some sounded like they were from Mexico, but no, they all only spoke Portuguese(for the most part).
It subverted expectations I didn't even know I had.
@@skbproject5589 haha I can imagine!
I'm from south Brazil and every time i hear someone with an accent from Rio de Janeiro i automatically go to see if my phone is where it should be.
@@adansilveira2031o que tu quer tá mole mocinha
I never thought i'd feel such power from understanding what's being said in the movie without the subtitles
One small detail that reinforces how Tropa de Elite don't glorify the BOPE is that, when Nascimento is rampaging through the Favela on the third act, even one of the bope officers complain about Nascimento methods and leave the favela and the operation to find Baiano out of disgust. So Nascimento is extreme even for BOPE standards in that moment
What this movie does not show, is that in real life, Nascimento would have been killing civilians in revenge, something BOPE has done when one of their own goes down.
@@bigman88george3 You're literally a bot, you're not Brazilian, every comment you want to talk about BOPE but you don't even live here, third comment responding you.
@@MisakiSTG-mz3ew Everything you've read from me... is coming from a bot? Looks like you are one of those upper-class Brazilians that think the slum residents are all dogs who need to die.
How about you respond to the points I made?
@@bigman88george3 Average gringo that knows jackshit
@@MisakiSTG-mz3ewhes not wrong tho
The thing that makes the movie so loved and admired, beside the amazing cinematography and story, is that it perfectly captures the feeling of how frustrated brazilians are with the cartels. There is a scene in the second movie, right after the prison executions where Capt. Nascimento walks in a steakhouse to have a talk with politicians and gets applauded by the other clients, which is a thing that could really happen in real life. We don't want brutality and violence in the police neither in the cartels, but if we must tolerate it, most of us think "melhor eles que a gente" (its better they (suffer it) than us).
But what people are not realizing, or caring about, is that favela residents minding their business are oppressed and killed by the police and BOPE as well. Revenge killings, death quotas, what about that?
A great part of the movie that is lost if you are not brazillian is the dialogue. It's so well written and so natural that it has lead a great deal of people to see the movie as, surprisingly, very funny. Be sure that the average brazillian has A LOT of the quotes in the movie in mind.
Eh, i cant understand portuguese, but there were quite a few times i laughed out loud watching this movie, pretty much any time nasciemento calls any of the drug dealers fagg0ts had me laughin
Yeah the best US analogy might be something like Pulp Fiction or even Boondocks in that regard.
Mas tem ou não tem o carburador?
Corruption down south works like cancer, you can only "fight" it... That's it.
The original and the sequel are a perfect escalation of the concept, those critics have no real life experience.
Sad but true. There is no "Final Boss." It's a disease that adapts to it's challenges and is willing to pull any dirty trick to survive.
That's also how I think of the BOPE. Not who they go after but who they don't. Or maybe BOPE gets to march some mayor or cops to jail?
The USA has little trouble getting Mexican criminals extradited but higher officers in the Mexican security services are a bit harder.
@@SusCalvinthe CIA many times are caught in drug schemes also, is not a foreign problem
We going into Brazil with this one boys
Fé em Deus! DJ!
Its absolutely cursed to hear you speak anything but American
It's like AI
Ju hast to go to braził, de weemen de cao a cobra cao
Brazilian is a kind of American.
>Speaking American
You mean English?
@@gigstar3194English has been conquered properly by America, glory to the unity, dog
B.O.P.E. has to be one of the most badass and scary police forces in the world, they have to be. This movie is great
I legit can’t think of a harder place to be cop in, maybe in Africa but even that’s debatable
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvusmexico is even worse or similar
@@Bandog23 street cop wise? About the same I’d bet, but I can’t say Mexico has a unit anywhere similar to the b.o.p.e.
I know Mexico has some brutal areas in it but those favelas are a tactical and strategic nightmare with nothing comparable outside of maybe Africa or maybe china.
the favelas always gave me a similar impression as Kowloon but with the chance of more full auto and grenades.
Actually they're a bunch of psychos snorting cocaine all day. BOPE is full of corruption and mob ties. Police in RIo de Janeiro is compromised.
Tropa de Elite 2 talks about it.
Tropa de Elite was never made to be a 'PRO COP' movie, it was made to show the real face of our shit police. but ppl are dumb here, after Tropa de Elite 1 launch, ppl started idolizing psychos BOPE agents, the second movie shows the true face of the problem.
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus China ain't that bad. Is it?
The student protests part of the film reminds me of Charlton Heston talking about his phone line being blown up by anti-guns and anti-police Hollywood elite during the LA Riots. Asking to borrow guns and bodyguards for protection against rioters.
One very important thing about the modern Bope: There is now corruption even within the Bope, much less than in other forces, but still present anyway. A whole new criminal faction of hitman was born with a former Bope, the Escritório do Crime( Crime Office)
Can't wait for when Loli reviews "Cidade de Deus" and does the whole review in portuguese.
The scene of the bope officer executing at 5:58, you can see that he kneels before shooting him instead of shooting from above so to make it not appear as an execution
I am a police officer, not im Rio's but in São Paulo. Here things are different from Rio, open violence is not as common but it still happens a lot. Here we don't have BOPE, but we do have ROTA; which are similar and were made for the same objective.
Answering some of your questions as a police officer. We always say that there is a human behind the uniform, we, sometimes, arrest someone; only to see them again after a week or so. The law here is not bad, but it is flawed. Brazil was under a dictatorship until 1988 and a new constitution was made. Our constitution is too young and prioritize the individual freedom above all else. It is not a bad thing, but, it does leave room for people to commit crimes without much consequence.
I've seen cops get angry and do things that some would describe as inhuman and I've seen cops treat criminals very gently. It depends. Honestly, things will get worse before they get better.
I believe, personally, that i prefer a criminal dead than being arrested and freed the next week.
Is that really down to our constitution? Most of our criminal law is way older.
"We don't stand a chance in hell with these rules of engagement, sir, they can tell us where, they can tell us when, don't tell us how." - Gaz (CoD Mw19)
You only have to look at Vietnam to understand why ROE is very important.
Difference is that BOPE is seen as justified as a last resort.
Meanwhile whichever PMC group Price is from and the line is kinda glorifying NATO black squads like one a friend used to serve in.
Like, the S.A.S., limited by rules of engagement?
Even in London they are pretty much allowed.
It's the common police limited, primarily when fighting against undocumented peoples.
They're ghosts who think they can do what they want with a great recruitment pool of needy people. At times because of their own choices.
Just one correction, loli. City of God wasnt directed by Padilha, instead, It was directed by Fernando Meirelles alongside Katia Lund.
Dude ydk how angry this mistake made me. Fernando Meireles and especially Katia Lung (kinda chind abuse? Aside) make tropa de elite looks like fast and furious in comparison with the godfather.
For people who don't know anything about Brazil and want some context or are thinking about traveling to Brazil this is my opinion and tips as a Brazilian about the country, you are free to think differently from me. Brazil is full of cultural diversity and intrinsic problems. Like most developing countries Brazil has some cities that seem from a developed safe and vibrant country, but at the same time it has cities that have little security and infrastructure. Small to medium-sized cities are generally safe and are also very great to tourists (those in the south especially) but are generally not known. The northern region is the least safe, Rio de Janeiro (the city) and the northeast are also unsafe. However, all these regions are full of attractions that are also worth visiting, but be careful. In the south and southeast, things are generally more peaceful, but I would pay attention when walking in São Paulo capital and on the coast area of São Paulo, just don't be an idiot and pay attention to your belongings just like you would if you are in an USA big city. In terms of crime in the south and interior of São Paulo the crime rate is low and the HDI is high, generally the most committed crimes do not involve brutality and even this crimes are low. I see that it is common for foreigners to want to go on excursions to the big cities favelas, I wouldn't recommend it. You probably won't die or anything like that, But the idea seems a bit stupid, why would you go to a dangerous place where people live without security and infrastructure just to take pictures or something like that? (But you have the right to be stupid) Most Brazilians have never set foot in a favela, most Brazilians haven't been near a favela, so don't ask any random person about favelas they will probably know as much as you. Remember, Brazil is very diverse, and the problems that affect a certain group sometimes do not affect others, some problems are shared, but in general the regions are very different from each other. In general, the whole of Brazil is criminally underrated. I only talked more about crime because of the video, I thought it would be worth my time to explain which regions are more or less safe for anyone who is concerned. Brazil is much more than safe or unsafe regions, Brazil is one of the countries in the Americas that has the most history, I would recommend knowing a little of our history, geography and cultural differences before coming here. Your trip will probably be much more interesting, well planned and much more exciting than going to Rio, seeing Christ, seeing the favelas, seeing Leblon and leaving. Oh, and one more thing, if you want to visit the capital, you will need to download Uber or rent a car, the city is not made for walking (message for Europeans). We have a well-established delivery system, ordering food is easy, use the Ifood app to order food or just google the place you want to buy from, we do not use Uber Eats. Finding markets is not a problem, at least in more developed regions of the country (the others idk about this) you will always have a large market within walking distance. The healthcare system is reliable and free but you will have to wait in lines, (For something not too serious.) you can get medicine for free, but I imagine you will need to register in some government site, it should be possible to do it online. But I'm not sure. It's a good idea to research about this before coming to Brazil. The police number is 190, but they respond to 911 or 112. (If you call from these two numbers, your cell phone will be tracked, the call will first be made in Portuguese and then they will be passed on to an attendant in English, if you don't speak Portuguese.), In case of emergency, ambulances are free and the number is 192. If you don't remember, just call 911 and they will forward the call to SAMU (mobile emergency response service). There are a lot of things I left out that are also important, but normally that's it.
And sorry for the English.
Don't worry, your English is pretty good. Though it seems like diversity is not your strength.
Max Payne gave me a fascination with Brazil. Well it all started when I wanted to learn cooking from different cultures (Brazil was the first), and learn the language a bit. I'm Mexican and love how there are words in their language that I can find in our own. I can't quite understand full sentences, but I like to read it and listen to it. I hope one day Brazil resolves all its issues.
the fact this and Favelanon are from the same country is funny
Fun fact: the actor who played Matias also did the voice acting for the portuguese dub of battlefield 4, he played the character Irish
CALMA, SÉRIO?
PQ EU SÓ TÔ SABENDO DISSO AGORA?????
@@jacaredosvudu1638 sim o André Ramiro q dublou o irish em português
@@nexuzed7429 brabo
While Rio isnt a picture of the entirety of Brazil, the feelings presented in this movie are quite universal in the country.
Mainly, the conflict between hating crime and political corruption, but also knowing that police brutally is a bad answer to all of those questions, even though its the one we use the most.
4:46 As someone from Brazil, those "critics" do not understand the reality we live in. The reality is way worse than what they shollw on the film. It is violent, brutal, because IT IS like that.
As a Brazilian guy that watches video essays on various things I am thrilled to see someone analyzing one of our movies, that's incredibly rare for me. Mas o cara não botou a música do Tihuana pô sacanagem
Glad to see a Brazilians take on an American review on their Brazilian films
@@elperrodelautumo7511 so am I
There are two sides to this movie here in Brazil:
- There's the crown who loves it because they see justice being done. A symptom of the rage common people have against crime and its organized face;
- and there's the crowd who loves it because it show the police brutality in Brazil, seeing as BOPE just invades homes, slaps faces, tortures and executes people left and right. Though it must be said that BOPE's violence is different from the normal police (according to the movie), because the latter is corrupt, and the former is seen as a violent and brutal reaction by the poor-hating politicians and bourgeosie.
Both of these reactions to this movie just captures a half of what it portrays, so much so the characters aren't really important, but the message gets the forefront.
IMO, it just shows how terrible this society is, because it is producing this violent crime state in people's lives and the only reasonable answer (according to the common people) is the react equally violently.
Do remember, Rio de Janeiro, which once was the capital of the brazilian republic AND the brazilian empire, is ⅔ dominated by corrupt cops and narcos.
One thing I should add: a large part of why a part of the public loves BOPE and the police is because of the military dictatorship that happend here for 20 years, from the 60's to the 80's. Many people just LOVE the army and their dictatorship, because there were some good economic years while they were in power, and because they weren't doing drive-bys and explodind cars and robbing banks in favor of the USSR. Not coincidentally, the people who praise this movie and think it is a "pro-cop" movie are the ones who grew up in the dictatorship.
Now, what about the guys robbing banks in order to topple the dictatorship and install some proto-socialist government? Didn't they grow up at this time? Well, I have to tell you something: these were students who go to public universities. Public universities are for rich kids, and rich kids are socialists. In the 90's they became political leaders, who rule this country to this day
@@cipher48 have to agree with 80% of it. two things I would respectfully disagree:
1.The military dictatorship wasn't as good in economics as it may seem, they just faked it well
2. I totally understand the stereotype from public universities, but this stereotype is raised by some people that get famous on twitter, etc... I know a lot of people from different public universities who came in bad economics situation (we have financial support from the government) and I know a lot of people (including professors and people from social science) who are right winged. Speaking from inside of one, we have a lot of diversity in thinking and lifestyles (including the ones from the stereotype), but they aren't the majority from my experience
also, IMO, painting the public university as a far-left wing bubble is something a lot of people do to try to demoralize it and make people think they should not try, wich is a shame though, we have a lot of free programs from health to economic courses (know boths) which people don't even know. Besides, you can walk, know and see all the classes for free, it's a public space after all :)
@@gabrielambrosio8298as a center-left person who studied at a public university and knows a lot of people still in them, I disagree a bit on that specific point. The public universities have always been the seedbed of the hard left and have always been at least ~50% hard left in terms of student body, but in recent years as global politics polarized the students went further left. Though honestly this is no different from major high-end private universities, it’s just a reflection of young high-income people leaning left on average like everywhere in the world (while the religious/conservative right grows among poorer/emerging classes). But I agree that while politics can hinder students in unrelated fields via protests/“strikes”, it’s still an amazing deal to get that level of education for free, and sets you apart from the general population by a large margin.
@@gabrielambrosio8298 I think I didn't expressed myself as clear as I wanted regarding the dictatorship.
I didn't say their economic policies were good, just that there were good years during their time in power. In the late 60's and early 70's, Brazil had a lot of economic grouth. The problem is, as any developmentalism evonomics do, they fail in the long run, so we eneded up losing the rest of the 70's to the two oil crisis, the 80's and the 90's.
Now regarding public universities, I can't say you are wrong, because my experience has been way different than yours. I honestly don't know what to take away from it
It's crucial to understand that, until the early 1980s, cocaine was both rare and extremely costly in Brazil. The situation began to change with the implementation of Reagan's War on Drugs, which prompted Colombian cartels to seek out new markets for their products. As a result, Brazil and Argentina emerged as key destinations for the cartels' cocaine exports. This shift led to significant social changes: pickpockets evolved into drug dealers, and the violence in the slums increased dramatically, becoming much more prevalent and severe.
Another excellent review video, Loli-man. As a military geek who loves researching into specialized forces of different nations, these movies seem to be right up my alley. Also, much love to any Brazilian bros in the comments! 🇺🇸💚💛💙🇧🇷
We are going to Brazil with this one!!!!
Great job as usual, BOPE doing the lord’s work
But muuh brutality
@@Bandog23honestly, it's not nearly enough
Oh yes, because the criminal factions are indead scared of then and are not like growing bigger every single year
@@Bandog23 UN, Amnesty International and friends™ can go and stick those claims up their south ends. The only way they would understand the situation is to live it.
@@doomtrooper3184gringos would never understand the level that it is, BOPE is truly doing gods work
Valeu cara, foi um vídeo maravilhoso! Tomara que mais pessoas assistam esses filmes!
Vou assumir que você é o patrocinador sim?
Nope
I'll Portuguese one thing: it's more of a language than Polish. That language is just slamming your head against letters and seeing what works
I think you mistook it for Hungarian, that language is slamming against a wall to even try to understand it (with sentence formation close to how Yoda speaks).
@@madkoala2130 Hungarian is just a complex code they made up during war and never bothered giving up on.
srsrrr
@@madkoala2130Meh, for me it was just more difficult to pronounce than Portuguese but equally as complex to read.
@@madkoala2130 I think you mistook both languages for Irish-- nothing in that language sounds the way it's spelled.
Just a correction. Padilha didn't direct (or had anything to do as far as i checked) City of God. That was Fernando Meirelles.
and Meirelles was actually the co-director of City of God alongside Kátia Lund
One of the things I hated most about Max Payne 3 and its inspiration from the Elite Squad films was how much Rockstar tried to make the city of São Paulo "Carioca". The problems represented in the films are, to a large extent, particular to Rio de Janeiro. Things in São Paulo are quite different and, in many ways, more violent.
Brazilian here, a guy who’s from the Unit trained in the same BJJ gym I train in, I had the opportunity to briefly roll with him(grappling equivalent of sparring), and I say briefly because I was on the floor with my arm locked within 3 seconds of shaking hands at the start of the bout.
The level of training these guys have is insane 🙂
If you go over to forgotten weapons there’s a video of a 1902 madsen light machine gun that was being used by Brazilian police.
These dudes are fighting for their lives with 120+ year old equipment and still find a way to make it work.
They still use madsens due to a lack of full auto weapons for the police.
They have modern weaponry no problem. They just like using the weapon. An old Documentary I saw shows some of them armed with p90 submachine gun. They have their helicopters; they have their armored vehicles that roll down the streets. They are fine.
@@bigman88george3 they have multiple levels of military and law enforcement that don’t all use the same gear.
The demand for arms across all these branches exceeds the supply.
Which is why they are still using old guns.
I don’t know if you think I’m making that up but I was just trying to provide additional information for people who watched the video. Feel free to continue not googling it, I’m sure there’s zero photos or videos of what I’m talking about.
It’s not like I started the comment by stating my source.
@@bartisreallykewl I know the forgotten weapons video you are talking about. Nowhere in the video did Ian say that the BOPE are underfunded. They just still like to use the gun.
Due to the militarized nature of the special police in that country, all they want is more guns, the newest guns. even though what they have now is fine.
As a brazilian that got into Berserk through your videos: DAMN THAT WAS UNEXPECTED
Now that that's out of the way, can't wait to hear your thoughts on this masterpiece.
I see you are a Max Payne 3 fan as well, seeing your song selection in the intro.
a friend Form Rio de Janeiro once told me that he understand Nascimento, cuz the gangs and criminals are truly a scum there
That's a fun fact, the director meant to show how the police is corrupt, but end up that most Brazilians agree with Nascimento, Cuz We Have some Problem with criminals and the goverment doesn't do a Thing About It
But Holy shit, Finally Someone Who can Explain the movie By itself Instead of some Political Shit, Thanks Loli, I Love Your Channel ❤
Vai Brasil 🇧🇷
P.S. Sorry, I Got Ecxited to mention this trivia when I was finishing the secmention of First Movie, but You Put It later on, my apologies
Btw, Love Your videos
Você vê como a elite intelectual brasileira é completamente descolada da realidade quando achavam que o capitão nascimento seria encarado como vilão.
Não tem como, é um policial batendo em vagabundo. O crime para essas pessoas é uma estatística, para o brasileiro médio é uma realidade, é um amigo que se perde nas drogas ou no tráfico, é uma arma na sua cabeça, é alguém com uma faca te ameaçando no meio da noite... É uma dor real.
E a ação policial também é algo real, muitas vezes negativa, mas quando faz algo correto tem apoio.
Esse pessoal metido a intelectual me dá raiva.
Also congrats loli , you made it to the front page of Reddit with the Wolfenstein video and every one of them was complaining about your username
Libs gonna be libtarted as always
Shows how disingenuous they are when they can literally find his video talking shit about Cuties
@hilotakenaka they like Cuties though
It honestly annoys me that people dismiss Loli just because of the username
@@anangrygreenboss6353but he likes loli?
Brazilian here. The main reason why "Elite Squad" is accused of being "pro-cop" it's because, since Brazil has a chronic issue with urban violence and criminality, and since A LOT of official media channels and political groups try to portrait criminals in a sympathetic light, using euphemisms like "suspects" or even "victims of society", the average brazilian has developed such a deep hatred towards these criminals that A LOT of people end up actively rooting for the cops in these movies. There is even, there again, issues involving vigilantes and people doing justice with their own hands, because of how tired they are of the high criminality.
Victims of society my ass, WE ARE THE VICTIMS HERE, you're sure right, we hate them
It's interesting how in the government and media's attempts to make criminal's victims, it only makes people hate them more. I guess it's hard to see these people as "victims of society" when they're robbing and killing the people you know.
Depends on the midia, most people have a problem undertanding technical language also, everyone is a suspect until the judge say otherwise, even if is clearly that they are guilty.
Obviously some people really just hated the police and for consequence defend criminals but mostly is a misunderstanding
😂😂😂, não amigo, ele é tudo como pro polícia, pq no filme coloca o BOPE como um centro de excelência porém não corrupto, o que 2 min de busca no Google já mostra que isso é uma ocultação, as milícias não nasceram dos policiais normais corruptos e sim de vários policiais que fizeram carreira no BOPE, exemplo Adriano da Nóbrega e Roni Lessa... São milhares de PM do BOPE ligados a corrupção, tráfico de drogas, assassinos de aluguel, guarda costas dos bicheiros etc...
@@filiperosa7496they call a criminal convicted in three instances the legitimate president 😂 and people who are arrested illegally are called "Golpistas". Is not technical language they are just deeply associated with criminal politicians who are involved with even more criminal factions such as PCC
I grew up quite literally down the street of the bope HQ in laranjeiras, Rio de janeiro. We used to hear them marching down the hill singing every morning and the "caveirão" rolling down every once in a while. They're scary af
Brazilian here:
2:00 - In Brazil, our police service is provided by two different police agencies, the PM (Military Police) and the PC (Civil Police). The Military Police got its name because it was a police agency formed during the Republican transition period in Brazil at the beginning of the 21st century. It originated from civilian militia units composed of military veterans of the Brazilian Armed Forces (Army), and because it was part of the federative thesis of autonomy of the member states of the Federation, which led to the development of these police units into small armies at the service of the state government (the State of São Paulo led an attempted revolution in 1932 with its Police, and after their defeat, the national government created laws that prevented police units from acquiring a series of war materials and specialized units that would make them equivalent to the Army). It is a police force that only acts in the repression of ongoing crimes. The Civil Police is the one that acts in the investigation of crimes. Yes, a structurally inefficient and internationally outdated model, but......politicians don't like to make structural changes lol.
2:00 - 2:15 - perfect!!
2:36 - 2:28 - rssrr It is the most common thesis of the Brazilian Left, but it is justifiable. Despite being a common thesis in the international discourse of the Left, the military heritage and the ostentatious action make the PM a fundamental target of the Left's theses about fascism/authoritarianism of the Neo/Liberal State, Watch the movie Elite Squad 2 - The Enemy Is Now Another (The Enemy Within). The film's director sort of makes an ideological reconciliation with the Left in the next film in the series. Yes, both films are/were supposed to be an anti-fascist critique of police units and the ideological-political body that financed them. The director was even brilliant in this aspect by doing this with these films. But...... the shot backfired mainly in the first one, which is a bastion of Conservative culture that defends a strong fist against crime. Something that the Left hates and finds funny/sarcastic at the same time...... think of something like the current discourse about The Boys.
2:54-2:26 - Nope..... www.imdb.com/name/nm0655683/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk
10:29 - 10:41 - YES ........lol... you understood this shit that is Brazilian police policy
Furthermore, the video is incredible and very well articulated in its critique and presentation of the themes represented in the films.
The reason why BOPE is so hotly criticized by people is not only because of their brutality against criminals, but their brutality against civilians and people they merely suspect are in gang activity.
Although the movies are very good, it does not show the full evil that BOPE and the regular police are capable of, where they will go on revenge rampages where they shoot anybody they see when one of their own are killed by gangs.
They execute any young male they see when they can't find any gangsters, claiming they are involved in gangs with no evidence.
BOPE will snipe at gangsters without caring about civilians in the area, sending bullets into their homes.
Favela residents complain that they are treated like garbage by the police and BOPE, and then ham it up like they are trying to help them when the cameras are around. And that is what the movies, the author of the book, and this TH-cam video leaves out.
@@bigman88george3 Nice try... but... whatever..your creed, your propaganda, you version off true!! I understood! Thanks for engaging ! And yes, the author of video cited the consequences of BOPE policy wich are in the movie!!
@@PauloSilva-ep9ox Propaganda, huh?
So, the dozens of news reports from Brazil over the years is just "propaganda"?
You are not going to even examine why a part of the population do not like the police? You are not going to examine the gangs, thought they are ultimately detrimental with the drugs they sell, actually help out the neighborhood, and whole the cops treat them like less than creatures?
@@bigman88george3"Drugs they sell help the neighborhood" Because a drug dealer killing a family worker because he didn't pay the 100 bucks he borrowed in time is totally helpfull and does not exploit the average citizen
That is my impression any time someone thinks "Just make the army do police work".
It ends with the police and the other police, where neither are all that good. And the more the army has to focus on this stuff, the less they pay attention to being the army.
"If you work for the devil, you better be ready to die for him," Why do you always say the hardest lines, Loli
As a brazilian, I grew up watching those movies. When I was just a child, every kid loved BOPE because they watched the movie and started to glorify violence as the only solution for our current situation... Going so against the main message of the movie that Padilha was forced to make the second one. But before that, people just took footage of police brutality, showing desecrated corpses of people killed by the police (being innocent or not) without censorship and started to label it as "Tropa de Elite 2, 3, 4 ,5, etc." recording it in a DVD with Nero and sell. But we can blame Padilha for this, since he used Matias POV in the first movie. Matias glorified Nascimento's violence and thought he was right, but Nascimento already started to see his actions as pointless. And the worst: Tropa de Elite really helped to resurrect the brazilian fascism centered on violence against the poor and "people of color". It's ironic that Nascimento, slandered as fascist (even not being one), was the catalyst for this new olive green fascism.
Ps.: Diogo Fraga and the governor are inspired by real politicians. Diogo is the representation of Marcelo Freixo and the governor is Anthony Garotinho. The second one was arrested 4 times and guilty of gang formation in 2010.
This reminds me of the words of Colonel Kurtz saying that if he had at least 100 men more brutal than the Vietcong, he could have won the war already.
We literally were weeks away from nva capitulation in reality... nva generals are on record corroborating this.
@@g00gleisgayerthanaids56 But of course, a victory would mean the end of war profits, and the Military Industrial Complex can't have that.
Unexpected to see you make a video about a brazilian movie, and speaking portuguese in the first few sentences too. But not unappreciated. This is going to be a good one.
Your Portuguese at the beginning made me question things, I never would question usually.
"He's finally able to get the anger out on people he sees as deserving his wrath. It's a major aspect of his character-the fact that he truly despises the whole situation. He hates the dealers, he hates the corrupt cops, he hates the college kids who buddy up with the narcos, and the people who say the police go too far. Now, he has a lot of hate to share."
@TheAlmightyLoli Nascimento is the perfect description of the Average Brazilian. Most of Brazilians think and would act exactly like him on the Circumstances.
At some point, the bullshit becomes to much to behave "Civilized" anymore.
fun fact: the actor that plays Major Rocha used to be the Brazilian Ronald McDonald
The same director made a Netflix series titled “the mechanism” and its a retelling of the quite recent biggest corruption scandal in Brazil, in my view it explores how brazilian culture is ingrained at its core with corruption which allows this kind of scenario of poverty, violence and inequality seen in the country to flourish, simply put if city of god and elite squad is about the cartels and the police, the mechanism is about the politicians
Portuguese.
Not Spanish.
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🐍 no step on snek!🇺🇸🇭🇰
This is the movie is the Brazilian Starship Troppers: Brazilian left-leaning director tries to loosely adapt a book about war on drugs to discredit police action against cartels but main character ends up as national folk hero.
EDIT: Oh and the the director had to make a sequel to recover his leftist rep. LMAO
Exept it is not
Did you even watched video?
Director was ex bope
@@whiteeye3453one of the writers, not the director
It's very hard to demonize BOPE or Nascimento, much in the same vein to demonize the Punisher or Batman, they're ordinary people, fed up with the system, choosing to instead act in a way they feel can make a difference.
While it's odd to include Batman in this, I've decided to because Twitter thinks he's some sort of rich fascist who loves to beat up people.
@@UnknownOps i Think Rosharch is a better example than Batman .
You hit the nail on the head. Also funnily enough, Wagner Moura, the actor who played Nascimento is also a leftie.
Quick correction: City of God is directed by Fernando Meirelles and Katia Lund.
Padilha was not involved in this project, but he did directed Bus 174; a brilliant documentary about city bus hijack that paralyzed the city Rio de Janeiro and gripped the country back in 2000.
I love hearing the Tropico 5 music in the background. What a great track to have behind such great movies
let's fuck goooo!! Im a Brazilian fan for years!! I never imagined you reviewing the best Brazilian movie.
As part of the thousands of Brazilians flooding this comment section.
I think thats a pretty good review, it stays true to the original massage of the film and bring some new points that us, people how live here didn't thought of, while retaining a pretty neutral point of view about it.
oh, man, so glad you took the time to review this. Elite Squad has a legendary status in Brazil, everyone here, and I mean EVERYONE has seen this movie and adores it. You can kind of compare it to The Wire or Generation Kill in terms of realism and social commentary, it's way up there.
I knew I was right subscribing to this channel. Nearly every single movie you have reviewed is something I have seen in the past and loved or something I have 100% heard of and want to watch. I find it interesting.
I've been telling my friend about this duology. It's so good, even if a bit long.
So they are IRL Wolf Brigade?
Fun fact: The armored cars of Rio's police are called something like big skulls/great skulls.
Fun fact 2: 23:55 On that sign it says "Welcome, don't make sudden/fast movements!"
Obrigado pelo vídeo, from Rio.
I've being following TAL since the BIG berzerk video, and yeah you can always count on him to do a movie justice when he does a review. Im tempted to just join subscribestar and ask for the second movie review. The fact that you whent as far as to find out that the ex bope guy now does podcasts here in brasil is awesome. He has a ton of cool stories. Great video.
These movies are awesome, I saw the first one on a whim with a Brazilian roommate I had in college! I wish that more movies like this would exist to showcase other criminally intoxicated parts of Latin America and the big problems that still surround the neighborhoods there. Thanks Loli for covering these two!
I never thought I would see you making a video about one of my country's best films. I LOVE this movie! Thanks for making more people know about Tropa De Elite!
Jesus Christ. I almost died when I've heard you speaking Potuguese. That fucking dealt physical damage to me. Also. There is a Brazilian TV Show about what is basically the "other" side.
basically the brazilian kerberos saga weird how fiction without any kind of reletation can match in many ways
Just a minor correction: the movie is not based in the "novel"(not a novel imo, more like short stories collection.) and yep, wikipedia is wrong about it. The movie and the book were produced and written almost at the same time.
There's this interview of both movie producer and book author Rodrigo Pimentel talking about it: th-cam.com/video/Z3dzdYFG6n4/w-d-xo.html (starts at 4:00).
My only regret is that you didn’t use the original music for thde intro becouse... CHEGOU A TROPA DE ELITE OSSO DURE RUER PEOGA UM PEGA A GERAL TAMBÉM VAI PEGAR VOCE
Es mi película favorita hecha en Brasil. Ojalá en Colombia tuviéramos un BOPE y una industria cinematográfica como la de ustedes. Un abrazo