🛠️ Are brushless tools worth the extra money?
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Are brushless power tools that much better than regular power tools? In this video I compare the performance of a Ridgid 18v Brushed motor gen4x impact driver to the Ridgid 18v brushless motor gen5x to see if there is a big difference or if it is a waste of money.
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Well done, this is exactly what I needed to hear. For home use I would just get the brushed, but for my job I would definately get the brushless.
“This is not 🙅🏼♂️a sponsored video”
lol loved it when he did that
guy : 50% more run time? i doubt it
results : twice as much
guy : 😳
it is impossible;the efficience of bushed motor is more than 80%
@@georgewang2853 Obviously gearing affects torque so in this particular test the brushless driver performed much better. Efficiency of the motor is not the efficiency of the total tool and will always be less than the efficiency of the motor as you have a lot of added components after the motor that affect efficiency. The brushless tool costs a lot more so probably has a better chassis, bearings, electrical connections and gears and all that can add to efficiency.
@@Martian74 bushless just you don't need to change bush. the efficience of bush motor compare to bushless motor won't be less than 0.1%
No fluff in your video. Straight to the salient points. No useless intros. Liked and subscribed!
I usually only get brushless on the tools I use most / use the most power. A good rule of thumb is how often does the tool die on you. If it’s all the time, you’ll benefit from brushless. If it’s not too often, save money and go brushed.
Agreed 😀
Very nice rule of thumb. I'm mostly needing the impact to do heavy hit jobs like loosening lug nuts and stuck bolts while I have a drill already to do routine screw and drill work. Not so much of the former, but looking to build stuff in the yard soon. Worx brushed impact = $50 and Worx brushless impact = $90. Recommendation?
nice conclusion
I'm a DeWalt guy, but the concept is still the same. I prefer brushless tools as well, just because they don't get hot after continuously using them and smell like burning plastic mixed with rubber or whatnot. We live in Florida and most of the year is above 80°F. Working outside at that temperature is already exhausting, so I don't need additional heat on my hands. Lol. Not to mention brushless motors last longer than brushed ones. Therefore, it doesn't make whole lot sense of buying brushed tools over brushless unless money is the only obstacle.
I’m an Electrician and I’ve had that exact brushed drill for around 8 years (well mine is an AEG because I’m in Australia but they’re the same thing) and I have never had one issue with it, I use mainly 5ah batteries and I’ve never had an issue with batteries running out too quickly either.
It's relative, it's like never having an issue with prison, doesn't mean there is no reason to upgrade to something better right :-) I personally just want a nicer smoother and more silent rotary tools
Agree with Jake. Also if you already have extra battery that can help with your continuous work (while charging the other battery) you may also consider the cheaper brushed option, especially if you are not a heavy user.
Thanks. Great video! In the UK the price difference is minimal. A bog standard Combi drill by 'Worx', is only £10 difference between the brushed and brushless. No contest. They both have a 2 speed gearbox but the brushless has a higher rpm and bpm for impact drilling. 👍
Good review! short, fast, not unneeded talks! thank you!
great, simple, easy to understand video - keep up the great work. it might enhance the test to normalize the comparison by measuring the voltage in each battery before the longevity test with a multimeter.
Fabulous Side by side comparison, great review, thank you.
So nice to have an truly independent and informative reviews.
You forgot mention one thing, the brushless motor runs cooler, so on hot days it won't feel like your holding a hot potato.
Very important point in the deep southern summer. Heat and humidity is hard on bearings.
And you can use the brushless on the gas station ⛽
Great video! Concise with clear explanation and conclusive test results. This video is the reason why I just bought a brushless drill to replace my old one that just broke. If only I watched this before ordering the parts to fix it. :/
Glad you enjoyed it
The low setting on the impact is great if you only have a couple sheets of drywall to fasten with out popping through. And hardware with soft cheap fasteners. I love my ridgid tools.
Thanks for the info!
That brushless Ridgid I have, I've used Ryobi, DeWalt, my favorite is Ridgid, with the 3 toggles. Most Ryobi tools haven't been so sweet on me. Brushless on 2A battery runs me a long time.
Is AC DELCO a good brand?? Looking at getting a brushless impact wrench
Clever demonstration.Thanks!
Home Depot is selling a brushed combo drill and impact driver with (2) 2.0 AH batteries for $139. If you have a second battery (or more), the greater efficiency of brushless isn't really a factor. Some brushless offer more total torque, but this cheap brushless impact driver has more peak torque than the Ridgid brushless subcompact...
Great video thank you explanation on drills..
Wow, great video! I really appreciate that you just included the important information. Most channels add so much monologue and filler that it takes forever to find the key information, but this was clear and concise.
I appreciate that!
For home DIY using it once in a blue moon, I don't mind brushed if there's a big price difference.
Brushed models are slowly being phased out I think, so prices are becoming more reasonable. I picked up a Dewalt brushless drill/driver (DCD777) with two batteries and a charger for $99 at Lowe's a couple weeks ago.
I purchased brushless for the stuff I use most (impact driver and hammer drill/driver) and settled for brushed for stuff I use more occasionally (like my cordless circular saw and jigsaw). In my case, I'm using Makita's LXT lineup.
Thanks for the tips!
My DeWalt brushed motor over heats like no tomorrow, I work at a manufacturing shop that makes AC Units for Data centers, since I use a 5AH battery I can keep going and my driver heats up extremely quick depending on the station, if I'm assembling a motor rack it can heat up very quickly.
My dad bought me the brushless DeWalt impact driver and drill combo and I'm looking forward to more battery life.
How is the DeWalt combo working out for you?
Good comparison,my only suggestion is to fully charge batteries again then swap them to see if results are the same. Takes more time, but rules out one battery having less capacity than the other which is common (regardless if they were both fully charged at the start since li -ion batteries lose capacity over time based on heat/use/storage/charging methods etc...,).
All my tools are Ridgid cordless. I've owned both models and the Brushless is by far a better Impact.. Put a 4 or 6 battery and it is a BEAST!!!! I use them everyday and they never let me down.
Same experience here. My favorite tool.
Very helpful ! Thanks !
Really helpful thanks bud!
What a great way to test their battery, I would have just spun it by taping it and letting them dye out 🤪
@@johnsnow8186 10-4
Dye out
Very helpful, thank you for the video!
Great comparison. I wouldn't have thought the difference would be so great. Good to know.
Glad it was helpful!
For some reason Milwaukee brushless would cost $130CAD and cheaper then the impact ones.
👍 I didn't even know what "brushless" meant, thank you, great video! 😃
Happy to help
I have 2 sets of drills and impacts both dewalt one set is brushed and the other brushless, I like them both. Brushless is great if you have the money and use them every day, brushed will serve you well even everyday use but you will eventually have to change the brushes out
Thanks Nate, great info now I know what I’ll be buying
Happy to help!
Buying WHT
Great job, keep it up Sir!
Home repair and DIY guy here and I buy brushed for myself and invest in higer capacity batteries. If I have a big project they always charge quicker than I can drain. Having battery is never an issue.
Brushless are expensive to repair, especially if electronic controller dies. Brushed are still superior when it comes to maintenance/price ratio.
The motor itself should last a lot longer. If the controller dies then you know not to buy that brand again.
In this particular case, Ridgid tools are guaranteed forever, so who cares how expensive it is to fix it.
Thanks for doing this
I never knew the brushless last longer I knew it was it was more powerful good thing I got a brushless motor
Not necessarily true. A handy person can rebuild most brushed tools to last much longer than brushless (they're more sensitive due to complex electrical components). That's why brushed is preferred in industrial applications with harsh environments. For the homegamer, if you use a tool a lot, and need the power, go brushless. Like for drills and impacts. Other tools you can opt for brushed and probably never wear out the brushes. And even so, brushes are usually pretty easily replaceable if you're handy at all.
@@johnjingleheimersmith9259 exactly and on a brushless if the controller goes out its game over or it will not work correctly because it not cheap to repair , so in the long run brushed wins , because more intricate cheaply made parts ,like the controller/ switch issues , in a brushless will fail more often shut off randomly ,skipping etc , but nobody brings this up but it will start showing its face more often .
I've had brushed motors my entire life. My favorite one I use the most is my milwaukee impact. I use it almost daily and put it through the ringer. I've had that particular drill for about 9 years and counting. It hasn't failed me yet. 🤷
Brushless is new to me, but I'm definitely willing to check them out. I just bought a new brushless saw today. I'm anxious to see how she holds up.
For home use do u recomend ryobi 6 tool set kit (brushed)or kobalt 4 piece set brushless (+1 free tool) both of them cost 200 dl
DIY its fine!
Which drills are suitable to be used as a boat propeller ??
I would visit a hobby shop. They sell motors for that.
I wish you showed the noise, as a non professional I just qant a smoother more silent drill for home, I am sure many others also
Thank you from Malaysia 🇲🇾
Nate. Thanks for this. So, why did that one screw on the speed test not make it all the way down 3:45 ? Torque factor? Thanks in advance for the answer.
Yes the torque setting was too low
@@natelarge Thank you.
Brushed hammer drill is easier to repair and maintenance is easier, while the brusless has a complex electronic part that is very difficult to repair. The useful life of the brushed is longer than a brushless one, you just have to change the brushes and you can find it easily. The more electronic components an article has, the shorter its useful life will be. electrical devices have a longer life than an electronic one.
very informative thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I had a set of Dewalt Drills I got for christmas from my grandma. They were the 20V XR brushless drills. I installed HVAC, furnaces, air conditioners, duct work, duct cleaning, things like that. I swear, using them every single day, 3 months is the longest I went in between charges. I was worried that something was wrong with my batteries, because everytime I checked them, they registered as full, meaning all bars were lit up.
Well, all of my tools were stolen. And that really sucked, because it took me about 8 years to collect the perfect tool for every job. Not to mention perfectly organizing them, which you have to do when you have little space to work with if you want things to remain nice and easy to locate.
I purchased a set of Milwaukee drills when shopping. I had been so used to my brushless drills, being the first drills I ever really owned, (Dad never even seen a wrench in his life/was barely around anyways) I didnt really seem to notice to look for brushless.
Well, the brushed drill kit I got, the impact drill and the regular drill (Non Hammer) was cheaper, but not by much. I burned through BOTH batteries trying to drill 4 1" holes with a spade bit 6" deep through wood.
They never stay charged, and you sneeze and these things lose a bar.
NEVER EVER FOR ANY REASON BUY A BRUSHED DRILL.
The amount you must save in charging the brushless batteries one time vs the brushed batteries 20 times (at least and im NOT exaggerating.) Should be enough to persuade you if your looking for cheapest overall.
Face it. Buying the cheapest tool always means its not the last time you will be buying that tool. Remember, every second of your day has value to you thats worth anything that you truly receive in life. Do you want to spend so much extra time running to the store to buy another drill since the first one burned up, or charging batteries during the work day and over night, while carrying around with you 10x the weight in batteries to get through the day?
Brushed should be made illegal because they are freakin stupid compared to brushless.
Thanks for your input. I appreciate the time you spent writing about your poor experience with brushed tools and the good experience with brushless.
I only buy high end tools that Ik I’ll use a lot. For drills I buy nice ones. Something like a miter saw, I’ll go for a cheaper one. Not used 24/7 like a drill
Must not do much trim carpentry...pretty much the reason miter saws/sliders exist...cheap tools are cheap tools...copper windings in motors is a start.
Well done, mate! Nice to see it for ourselves. Brushless the clear winner. Still debating which to buy . . .
As a scientist I love this actual experiment. Thanks for sharing!
What would happen if you connect a 8. Cell Li-Po to a brushless drill?
Great to see real world results rather than just theoretical.
You're far more of a craftsman than I, but I'll sneak in two nitpicks: the amount of torque should be measured in pound-inches, not inch-pounds, and, technically, the batteries are 1.5 amp HOUR batteries, not 1.5 amp batteries. The actual current they deliver depends on the draw from the tool. But I digress; I'm sure I learned more from you here than vice-versa ;)
Thank you. Great vid 👍
All of my current tools are brushed. I forgo buying 1 20v BL impact wrench, and got myself 4 brushed tool for the same price. 12v Impact driver, 20v impact wrench, 20v impact drill, 12v powered ratchet. I use these tools for my own personal repair, trucks, bikes, house. Brushed tools are great when it suits you. BL are an overkill for my needs.
Love it. It is great hearing from your personal experience and opinion.
Very helpfull thanks
for simple home use what would you recommend..
brushed
@@natelarge thank you. I bought a Milwaukee combo. Brushed. Gotta try it out
raj4all2007 I own the Milwaukee brushed combo and they all work fantastic for my home use and I use them a lot. Professionally we use the Milwaukee fuel line with brushless and very heavy duty and stand the test. Nothing wrong with brushed tools. If you take care of your tools they take care of you.
Which is the best?
Ile take whatever is on sale at Home Depot brushless brushed I have them both I just use my tools for hobby wood working like building planter boxes and chicken pens.
The thing is yes brushless is faster and more efficient but in term of power range the brushed engine have that ,it always depend on which applications you’re planning to do ,long term applications you would need a brushless since brush in brushed engine tend to wear out after years ,in term of continuous power brushed engine doesn’t overload like brushless do ,so they all have up and down to them so choose wisely
Brushes are cheap and easy to replace to. A brushless circuit board now not so easy. Probably why companies send new tools for replacements too.
@@Kameron-The-Crafter true working on brushed tools make it such easier. Basically you only have to change the motor weld wire and you have a brand new tool and that's it you can continue working easy as that
Well brushless is clearly worth it. Great video!
3:43 brushless speed x3 makes your screw go in lean like it’s scared of China
thanks, you make it easy clear:)
How do you debunk a question? 0:14
I'd buy brushless, I do too much jank shit for brushed tools to last unless it's something like a sander.
Brushless tools are important when working in explosive atmosphere, gas station example, no sparks from the motor.
??!? How many construction workers work in a explosive environment? Not many so why justify the cost I've used a dewalt brushed impact for years years no issues with it at all it still runs and I keep it for my back up today
@@BernardBethea6339 I do.
I have always prevail led do I really need to
Good question. Pre drilling is most needed if there is a risk of splitting a workpiece. Some screw are self tapping so they cut their own hole as they are driven.
If you can remove a friction component (the brushes) and replace it with something that doesn't... It's already a better system.
NOW you have computer controlled sensors which DO have problems.
I have a DeWalt that is probably 20 years old and has a brushed motor and it's still good.
sounds like quality
u use different batteries to test
This is an interesting observation, as I own the brushed version. My kit came with 2.0 ah batteries. I'm assuming that is meant to achieve a comparable result in performance to the brushless, which has 1.5 ah in its kit. Would it have been more accurate to use the battery provided? Because thats what you'll get to use with your drill....
Brushed motors will wear out a brushless motor can last forever. The RC Hobbyist community has known about the benefits of brushless for over a decade. Why are tools so far behind?
The first brushless tools came out over 10 years ago...
That's an interesting comparison. I remember brushless technology from uni in the 1980s. But back then everybody thought the future was induction motors, and DSPs only ran at 25MHz! We've come a long way ...
ouch😭
I don't think that brushless (BLDC) motors in RC Hobbyist are apple - to -apple with wood working operations, since brushed motor has big economical benefits, i.e. cheaper maintenances (you only have to do carbon brushed replacements every now and then) and also the motor technicians are far more familiar with brushed motors.
@@macdonaldjohnstonfan ...although brushless motors have been around since 1962.
Brushless is good shit but I will say one of my most reliable tools is my Dewalt DCF885 impact driver. It's a brushed tool and I've had it for 8 years and that thing just keeps chugging!
Thank u so much.
Should you mention the weight difference? I think it's a huge selling point as well Sir.
great point.
Man... how about a torque test? Also, It would’ve been nice to know if one was hotter than the other after driving all those screws. Things to maybe consider on your next tool review
love the feedback! I would like to to a more professional product test as well.
this experiment mentions two variables
Thanks much
what happens when that chip in the brushless burns out from overheating? i went with a wired brushed drill. i dont have time to play around with batteries and this nonsense.
No reason why it should die. They use temp-rated components. Besides which, the brushless generates less heat because all of the power is going into doing real work instead of generating a little light show with sparks inside the motor compartment.
Always buy the top of the line tool. You will never regret buying the best.
The only brushed tool I have is a Milwaukee hammer drill and the rest are brushless. The brushed drill has taken well over average abuse every day for about 6 years and it won’t die and I still haven’t had to replace the brushes yet. I bought it because it was cheaper and I knew it was going to be a work horse, taking more abuse than normal, so why buy a more expensive brushless drill. Abused everyday for over excessive torque and torture forward and reverse, things a cordless drill shouldn’t be used for. IMO I don’t think a brushless drill would take this much abuse and last as long as the brushed version has.
Solid info!
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Only if u work around an ignitable source, if not save money and don't worry about brushless power tools!!!
Thank you for your comment! A valuable insight for sure. I am less inclined toward brushless tools these days.
Brushed is fine for home use. Brushless is the way to go for work.
Wow! That's even more than 50% longer battery, that's 100% more longevity! Wouldn't believe that! So, brushless it is. Thank you. May the Lord bless you.
53 seconds into the video which is our X5 brushless model
the advanced electronic control boards are a damn sight more fragile than brushed systems.
I agreed. Brushless is still relevant and a better buy in most situations.
50 % more on brushless tool...what about going with brush and get a extra battery
I have been using the same drill since 1991
excellent.
how often you use it?
Are the brushless quieter as well? Or not…
Not enough for me to notice
Thanks for the response, great video
You need to look at repairs when it comes to brushless tools. I understand that even swapping out triggers means you have to buy the complete guts of the tools if brushless. Is this true with all brands of brushless. It seems to be with DEWALT.
The amount of torque is not even the same. Otherwise they are not the same
Do not drive screws to test the batteries. Just electrical tape both drill triggers "on" instead.
~If a Brushed drill quits (breaks down) then easily replace the brushes. But if a Brushless drill quits (breaks down) then you can 'not' repair it.
I was thinking similar. A chip is just one more thing to go bad when you drop it.
@@bcarss1970
~Exactly correct.! Also new vehicles have way too many chips to go wrong and too hard to work on. I had a 1981 Ford LTD (302 engine) that run & ride like a cloud dream without chips and so easy to work on, I bought a brand new 1986 Dodge 4wd truck, and a 2005 Ford Taurus. We do not need chips.
~I never used it yet but I just recently bought a "brushed" DeWalt drill - impact driver kit DCK240C2 with a charger & 3 li-ion batteries included. Our 2 Makita "brushed" ni-cad battery drills have been through hell and back for many years from me as a carpenter, with absolutely no complaints.
@@royjohnson465 I am looking for new drill my 20 year old craftsman is done. I am getting a brushed DeWalt as well.
@@bcarss1970
~Very good, my DeWalt "brushed" drill model DCD771 and impact driver model DCF885.
~If you buy a "combo kit" (like DCK240C2 with 3 batteries & charger) then it is much cheaper (less cost). Also look for sales at Home Depot or Walmart.
~An impact driver is used for Phillips and Roberts driver bits for screws. The drill is for drill bits to drill holes mainly.
~Maybe pick up a set or two of "spare brushes" just in case. But might be a long time before they are replaced.
~I read a post where a person and his brother both bought Panasonic cordless battery drills and said they were great.
@@royjohnson465 I have the driver already. Lowes and dEpot have the DCD771 with bag, charger and two batteries for $99 right now. I will prob go with that
Why does my brushless drill sounds way louder than the same brand brushed
not sure
Brushed tool are fine for any body diy or professional
Being in the trades I can tell you I spent far more money using brushed tools. I would buy the same cheap drill driver impact driver kit that was cheap over and over and then I decided to shell out the big bucks for a premium brushless driver and it lasted 5 hard long years
I have a DeWalt with brushes. Works fine for me. I was just thinking of the people that manufacturer brushes for power tools. They need their jobs. Don't put these people out of a job.
Ty vm
you know what would be an interesting test. A ryobi brushed drill with 4ah battery vs a brushless drill with a 2ah battery. The cost would be around the same but the ryobi brushed drill will have a 4ah battery plus a spare 2ah battery ( that comes with the kit)
Its not so much the power its how long they last