Pressurized vs Non Pressurized Espresso Baskets
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Pressurized vs Non pressurized espresso filter baskets, which one should you use? Also referred to as dual wall or single wall filter baskets, these two options give you slightly different results, and serve slightly different purposes. In this video we'll explain the differences in pressurized vs non pressurized filter baskets, and teach you how and when you should use each type. This demonstration was done using the Breville Barista Express, but many semi automatic machines come with dual wall and single wall filters in the box.
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@@LifestyleLab_ Well gosh darn it, I will! 😎👍
lol!!! nice comment!! i got a good laugh 😂
So true! 😂
Another time to use a pressurized basket is on cheap units that can't build 9 bars without it.
You explained the difference so well!!! I’m a complete newbie to express world and your channel has helped me learn tremendously!! Thank you!!!
He is a very systematic and structure person by looking at the way how he present the case. No nonsense and straight to the point, orderly very crisps ! This is the channel I will never miss.
Thank you for giving me the courage to.use my non pressurized filter. I’d been giving it the side eye like it was a ferocious dog behind an electric fence. Used it this morning, and my espresso was perfect. Also thanks to videos on dosing and tamping.
I really appreciate you mentioning the pressurized basket for when you just can't get a finer grind. Didn't occur to me to do that with my barista express
Just got my Duo Temp today and this helped a lot! I don't have a grinder that goes fine enough, so it's nice to know I can still build pressure until my proper grinder arrives in a week.
Delonghi makes a portafilter with a Spring loaded valve check and its a great design. It fixes the problem of fake crema from liquid spraying out the single hole in the bottom of the basket causing aeration and foaming.
thanks mate! i just bought an espresso machine and now im discovering this big world of filters, accesories, beans etc..
Very helpful thank you! I accidentally put the dual walled basket in my porta filter by mistake, and was wondering why it was making a hissing sound all of a sudden! This explained why! Thank you!
I gotta say with as much hate as the pressurized filter gets. It can actually be useful in some situations. The burr coffee grinder I have was the best overall that I could find at the time and it made more sense for pour over and french press. But as I've gotten into espresso, it is definitely holding me back. The lower grind settings it struggles with. Either it struggles to grind or doesn't grind at all, the grind is inconsistent, or over time the grind size get's bigger over time as if it's loose or having trouble staying in place. It only does this with the lower settings btw. Some days I can only get 1 out of 3 double shots perfect, as I got to get everything else PERFECT to compensate for the bigger grind size.
So until I get a new coffee grinder, I have to say that the pressurized filter definitely does compensate. Like others have said, due to the increase in pressure. You might not want to tamper it down quite as hard. Pressurized filter can definitely be useful. Plus it can help get more consistent good shots or be useful when you just wake up and are in a hurry.
Thank you for your comment. I believe I have a similar issue. My wife got me a "Coffee Gator" espresso machine. It has a pressurised basket and after I accidentally burned the cord to the blade grinder on the stove we got a Kalita manual grinder. She ground some coffee at her work extra fine and brought it home. My machine could not handle the finely ground coffee. Now I use the manual grinder at its lowest setting and it seems fine. Does pressurised portafilters work with less fine grounds but a mid-level machine would require finely ground coffee? Do you have any advice or suggestions? It may not be in our budget to upgrade for a while. Is it a better idea to just use the Moka Pot? Thank you in advance for your time and comments.
I am a huge fan of your videos. I have a Barista Express and I cannot get my shots in the right zone. I put in 18g coffee and use all the fancy tools. I then have too options. Coffee that runs through too fast or very over extracted coffee. I never get anything in the middle. Your advice is gratefully received.
best run down i've seen so far, thumbs up.
When I have stale, dry beans, I'll use the pressurized basket. Tried it today and was very pleased, I'll go back to non pressurized when I have better beans
Thanks for a clear and helpful explanation!
Super crystal clear explanation and nice video!
Great, simple uncomplicated explanation, thank you
He said it could be frustrating using the single wall......he is right. Wanted to take a bat to this thing I was getting so frustrated. THen the rep I bought it from explained it again AND directed me to the massive amount of videos for this machine. No other espresso machine has more of a devoted following. Was able to watch the videos and now I pull a perfect shot everytime. Oh....and I have literally saved several hundred dollars not having to go to coffee shops anymore. Wife is very happy
Oh...and his videos are some of the best by far to learn your Breville. Highly recommend using non-pressurized and the tamper in the description is a must.
Excellent Concise and To The Point, Easily Understood Instructions and Examples! Bravo and I'm Subscribed with Full Bells On! Keep up the Great work!
I use to use the pressurised basket, now I've got the bottomless portafilter and multi holed basket.... there is a huge difference between them... the latter being prefered...
Totally needed this video. Thank you so much!
Glad it was helpful!
I was so frustrated, since I just got my dio boiler, and in the first trial I used a pressurize filter, I saw my shot Amazing since the beginning 😍😍😍, then I got the magical idea to change a non pressurize ((with non idea what I was doing), then all my expresaos are horrible 😤, I was not able to get a decent one anymore. Now I know why, really thanks. Because of you I make my mind with bee ills dou boiler now thanks to you I know that I suck tampering 🙈 I will improve thanks a lot
Very useful, thanks! When my old LaPavoni died, I bought a new Breville. But the coffee with the old machine tasted better. You offered the explanation and the solution - buy a new filter cup!
This is so interesting! I have owned a Breville Barista Express for 6-7 years, and have been using it daily for 5-6 years. Absolutely love it, a great start to the day. That said, mine just failed (steam comes out the portafilter hole). I was on the phone with Breville today, and while a repair is possible, I noticed the bottom label says it was Refurbished. I don't remember where I bought it from, and I don't recall knowing it was a refurb...so, I picked up a new one today on sale at Crate & Barrel. Add to this my son just bought a used model, so have been thinking about it more lately and decided to check TH-cam. This was mostly triggered when I noticed my new model came with the single-wall double-shot basket pre-installed into the portafilter.
I have been using the double-walled basket (2-shot) the entire time (!) I use good locally fresh roasted beans by Dunn Brothers. I get a mix of Espresso Roast + Decaf Columbian Roast. That way, I can occasionally have two double-shot drinks and not get goofy on the caffeine. I will admit ignorance on the single-wall vs double-wall thinking. I will definitely try the single-wall basket going forward. I'm also going to order the Precision Basket Upgrade, and possibly the Palm Tamper.
Thanks, very well explained
Glad it was helpful!
This is a pretty sweet run down of this topic. Well done!
@Lifestyle Lab. Excellent Concise and To The Point; Easily Understood Instructions and Examples! Bravo and I'm Subscribed with Full Bells On! Keep up the Great work!
Thanks! I was waiting for this video so bad, I have BBE for a year now and I’m still feel intimidated by using non-pressurized.
It can be a bit intimidating for sure! Sometimes you just want a quick cup of coffee without any fuss. Have you watched the dialing in video? The palm tamper I recommend REALLY helps take away some of that intimidation factor associated with dialing in.
Lifestyle Lab, your videos are absolute the most perfectly informative, thought out, knowledgeable videos that youtube needs to always provide. I'd love to see you do videos on many other things too!
Anyway, I'm not really a coffee drinker, but my Colombian fiance is since the age of 5. She cheats every morning by using the pressurized double basket. I've shown her your dialing in video, this one, and how to change the internal grinder settings too, yet she repeatedly says "I'm happy so I'm not going to figure out that other way."
I have tried your dialing in and am using the tamper provided with the machine. Each time, I failed to pull a good shot. I think I literally went through every setting. Out of frustration, I haven't tried the internal grind settings yet and quit.
My question to you today is this: do you feel that getting the palm tamper will be the final step in my dialing in process and I'll finally be pulling that perfect shot every time? What does one do when all else fails (this is for the other people going through every setting and failing like me)? And this one is for my Colombian fiance: How much better, truly, is that shot of non pressured espresso?
Thanks so very much for the time to help all of us!
Thank you for your very kind words Frankie!
From a tamping perspective, a palm tamper will not help you get a perfect shot of espresso. It WILL help you dial in, and then repeat a perfect shot of espresso once you find it though! The distributor side will also be a big help, as very even distribution of the grounds before tamping is arguably more important than the tamp itself...
I would definitely recommend getting the palm tamper (using the links in the description of course, haha). Set the depth properly using this video: th-cam.com/video/LZBbDMYPDGI/w-d-xo.html , and then continue dialing in, using the internal grind settings if needed! The palm tamper will take away a big variable, tamping pressure, and make dialing in a breeze if you also single dose 17gr into the grinder each time.
As for pressurzied vs non-pressurized taste, the non-pressurized is going to give a superior shot of espresso with REAL lovely crema, and you sound like a great fiance for wanting to figure this all out for your partner :)
Hope that helps!
Thanks! I really like the DeLonghi ‘La Specialista but the fact that it only offers pressurized baskets will probably push me away from it and over to Breville. I'm keeping an eye on their site for the return of the refurbished Oracles
Both vids very helpful, thank you! I have a question, hope you can help. I got only pressurized filters with my Smeg machine and it appears that they are difficult to clean as the top and bottom parts (the one with a small hole) are not separable, or are they?
If you know what is best way to disassemble the press filters I would be very grateful for advice. Many thanks 😊
Great video, very informative.
I recently purchased a Eureka Mignon Silenzio grinder to go with my Gaggia Classic (2019) and I'm still trying to find the best grind level using the non-pressurized basket with varying degrees of success. I also purchased a VST 20g basket but not having great success with that so I'm persevering with the Gaggia basket for now.
There's such a lot of information out there about all these issues - it can get a little confusing! I saw one video of someone explaining that the pressure applied to tamping should not make a difference to extraction but others say it does? On top of that, I guess the quality and freshness of the beans also can make a difference? Still, at the end of the day, all we want is a decent cup of coffee and so far I think I am mostly achieving that.
For the Caffe Nero Brazilian blend I was using I set the grind around 2 but since changing to another brand level 2 seems to be too fine - it took a good 40 seconds plus to get a decent amount of espresso. But taste-wise, to me it was ok, not perfect but ok.
How many grams coffee do we put inside and what should be the net result in pressurized basket? We've tried the non-pressurised as per your dialing in video (putting in 18grams trying get 36 grams out of it, goes to 1 o'clock on pressure) but we've been getting varying output/seconds each time. Maybe we should start with pressurised and then move on to non-p.
Thank you for requiring a promise to learn how to do it right..
This explains so much! My situation is unique, because a friend was trying to be helpful and got me some Starbucks beans, but had them ground “for espresso” which is very fine. I’ve been using the dual wall filter (because it is technically pre-ground), but I think in this case I should probably be using a single wall because it is ground for espresso, right?
You can try, but the chances that your coffee was ground to the right level is quite unlikely.
Whether the roaster grinds it for you, or you buy a bag of pre-ground coffee, you should still be using the pressurized basket because it ensures proper flow. In order to use a non-pressurized basket, you need to be grinding yourself, and have the ability to tweak the grind size as you go, also known as “dialing in”
@@LifestyleLab_ gotcha that makes sense
Grinding you’re own coffee is always preferred, but not necessary if you are using a dual wall basket. If your machine is choking, decrease your dose and/or tamping pressure (for pre-ground)
Tysm I’ve been going crazy about my machine I thought it was broke I couldn’t get to make coffee right or froth milk.. I’m still concerned tho when I put the tablet in to clean it doesn’t pour out spout the coffee spout or it barely uses any of the tablet. Only a little water goes in the overflow from it back flushing I guess. Is this normal during cleaning your machine w tablet? I feel like that why my light won’t turn off and I’m having bad results because it won’t clean properly please help me if you know/can thank you for this video it was so helpful
If your clean me light is stuck on, see this video: th-cam.com/video/60Xq0F7fJyU/w-d-xo.html
There is a good chance the steaming / brew pressure has been reduced because the machine needs descaling
Hey brother. Great channel. Great info. I agree with the headless comment. It's actually pretty effective. I know you're probably not doing it for the same reason, but early in my film production school days, we were asked to make such videos. I never liked looking at or hearing myself so I masked my voice and filmed shoulder down. People though that was stupid but it gave me confidence to at least create a authentic presentation just by being in the frame. Anyways, it works.
It was a good bit of anonymity at the start, but I have honestly enjoyed being a fully headed TH-camr for the past few years as well since the switch :)
Hello and thanks for this great video. I only have pressurized Espresso Filters for now. I noticed that the brew time is faster. What are the rules for a pressurized Espresso Filters in term of brew time and ratio?
I have the same issue with pressurized basket with short brewing time. My brewing time is about 14-15 seconds (1st drip to last drip) for a 1:2.5 brew ratio. My grinder is Breville Smart Grinder pro, my setting is at 10, inner setting is 5.
I need some expert advise here, will I be able to extend the brew time with non-pressurized basket by playing around with the grinder size ?
The non-pressurized basket might be the best for double shots but that's too strong for me and I only drink single shots. I don't know how much coffee I wasted trying to perfect shots using the non-pressurized single basket but the pressurized basket is definitely the way to go for single shots on Breville machines.
Great videos. Does the pressure Guage still rise to the optimal level when using a non pressurized basket? At the moment I am not getting a pressure when brewing. But coffee is still coming out.
Yes, the pressure should still rise to a normal brewing pressure for your machine with a single wall basket.
I have a question. Can you use a low end Espresso maker (not with a bottomless portafilter) with a non-pressurized basket with the stock portafilter? I have the Cuisinart EM100C. I am curious to test it to see the difference.
Whats the answer?
I'm a newbie but wanna go straight for the non pressurized. Got a recommend setting for now to where I can adjust later? I'm getting the barista pro this Saturday
Absolutely no way of knowing before you run the first shot!
Start in the middle setting and work coarser or finer from there :) this video will be a big help: th-cam.com/video/d0g8umpINGQ/w-d-xo.html
I have ordered a pressurized portafilter for my second-hand rok. I dont have an adequate grinder and will likely be saving up for a new, or of i find one, used rok grinder. Till then I will just have to make do with the not quite fine enough coffee i can currently do.
Sounds like a good game plan!
I’m sure you’ll enjoy
You got class
The double wall baskets have a life to them. They get gummed up inside. Most people buy a new one after a year.
The double wall makes your coffee like a Nespresso. It works great. Coffee tastes great. Beautiful crema.
The resistance is a paradigm shift. This is similar to when the lever was removed from espresso machines. Today we still use the term pulling a shot despite the missing lever.
Another example is the move from a boiler to an instant heating of the water. The purists love how their machine warms cups. They even prefer the taste of 200 degree water from a boiler…
So not weighing every shot, not testing every bag of beans, not dialing in your water amount and not having a heavy tamper is a paradigm shift.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Thank you. I've found myself watching a lot of your espresso videos - thank you for your passion and information.
This morning I made an accidental beverage on a pressurised basket, the "accidenta" was, because I change basket every grind I just got distracted, the crema had a bigger head than a schooner of beer haha, Bro from Australia
Hi. I have the Breville Barista Touch. Can you please tell me the proper amount (grams) of pre-ground coffee to put in the baskets. I use Illy Intenso. Is 18gms for the large basket and 9gms for the small basket correct, or can it be 19gms for the large and 10gms for the small?
Dose is only really limited by filter size, so if you can fit 18g or 19g without issue, it's really up to personal preference. Just remember to adjust your brew ratio accordingly if you are going to vary the dose of an already dialed in coffee
Is it possible to do a good shot with the nonpressurized using a blade grinder? It's the only one I have right now D: been using a Delonghi dedica ec685 and a pressurized basket for months now, but I kinda wanna switch to non-pressurized after hearing that it would taste better/richer.
No, unfortunately a blade grinder is not consistent enough to use with non-pressurized baskets. The flow would be very inconsistent and unrepeatable
Hi! wich grind setting would you use with a comandante grinder for de presurized portafilter? how many clicks? or is it like moka pot coarse? pleace! help me! :D
I can't possibly tell you because I don't have your coffee or machine to try! Dialing in is an experimental process that will take a few tries. Look at the "espresso range" commandante quotes for their grinders, and start in the middle. This will be finer than what you'd use for a mocha pot
This is great video to explain the difference, but I have question. What about machines have high pressure like mine ? I have the new Delonghi La specialista with 19 bar and I struggled with Naked baskets. I had to fell the basket and tamp it very hard to get nice even extraction other wise it goes so fast due to the high pressure of the machineitself. I don't know if what im doing is right.
Omar Hebshi I have the same machine. I bought a non pressurized basket. You have to buy a hand tamper to get a firmer tamp. The built in one is nice to initially pack down the grinds then tamp with handheld tamper. Should have no issues after.
@@Mkluthe i do have hand tamper but still struggling with it. But I got nice extraction with the pressure basket the one come with it.
The pressure shown on the machine is the max pressure the machine is able to provide. As long as enough pressure needed for the water from the group head to go through in between the coffee during extraction, it does not matter how much pressure your machine have. So to control the flow during brewing, you need to adjust the grind size of your coffee. The finer your coffee grind, the longer it will take for water to flow through it.
I have been using a pressurized basket since a few years and recently tried a non pressurized after getting a burr grinder and some more advanced accessories but nothing beats the pressurized basket so far .. any idea why I get almost twice as much liquid when using the non pressurized one ? Sounds like my puck has not enough resistance but i already pretty much maxed all (fine grind and compressed puck) .. i feel all i get is a stronger coffee but not less water
Your grinder may not be able to grind fine enough for espresso.
please help! is any filter basket suitable for every espresso machine? mine comes with a pressurised basket, but is it okay for me to change it to a non-pressurised one? will it damage the machine? or will it only affect the espresso?
Different machines will have different sized portafilters / filter baskets. 51mm, 54mm, 58mm... etc
If you're machine is able to build pressure with a pressurized basket, it should be fine with a non-pressurized basket. Just be aware that a non-pressurized basket will be more demanding on your grinder. (Need to grind finer, and more uniformly)
is there a scenario where i could use a single wall basket without a grinder? i usually get my coffee beans from a roastery where i ask them to grind them for me
No, because using a single wall basket requires you to dial in the grind size very specifically through trial and error. There’s no way for your roastery to do that for you, unless they bring their grinder over to your house…
I just got a non pressurized and I find it gives me a powder feel in the espresso, I tried different grind size and it’s the same is that normal or what I’m doing wrong…
want to ask. can you use a non pressurized portafilter in a pressurized coffee machine ? i have a pressurized portafilter and want to change it to non pressurized.
Unfortunately usually not.
A non-pressurized filter requires more even pressure / water distribution from the group head that a machine specifically designed for pressurized filters can often not provide
Now I know why my espresso is more foamy instead of creamy. Thank you.
Hi there, could you share the brand of coffee bean you used? thanks
Hi !
It's from Mirror Coffe Roasters, and you can use the discount code "Lifestylelab" for 20% your online order!
I gave up using the pressurized filter because it gets clogged often. I have actually found the unpressurized filter much easier to use or maybe I just learnt how to make a better coffee. Lol
So how do we measure the filter to know what size basket we have, I know a 51mm tamper appears to fit nicely, does that mean I search for 51mm non-pressurized system? I grind my own very fine and have a distribution tool and tamper... new to this, been using mine 1 year without any actual cleaning, today the double pressurized filter stopped working, soaking in vinegar in hopes it passes brew again as I do a double double into a coffee mug for my daily caffeine buzz.. both passes same cup of grinds...
Just research your specific machine. The portafilter size will be readily available information, no need to measure!
I am both in those two scenarios. But I promise to change this month.
@lifestyle Lab you mention in this video about grinding fine but when using the single double basket and going on the manual if the pressure gage is way over it advises you to grind coarser? ( less fine )
That is correct. Some grinders can not grind fine enough to build pressure with a single wall basket, and therefore a pressurized basket is needed to "help" slow the flow
@@LifestyleLab_ so I should be looking at adjusting the internal burr to get a finer grind?
If your flow is still too fast even at an external setting of 1, yes!
@@LifestyleLab_ don't know how I dont know how i never noticed but the Grinder setting of 1 is for coarser and higher number are finer 😮
Is the double walled basket best for small quantities of coffee? Say 8gr?
Difficult to tamper properly.
You're correct that single shots can be more difficult to dial in consistently, so you could use it for that. But in general, it's for preground coffee or just lower quality grinders
Thank u
I promise to learn senpai 🥺
Scenario 3 - Your second hand Dualit 3in1 espresso machine for £80, came with perssurised baskets only, so thats all you have, it works and makes tasty coffee.
Thanks for the video
I also have a same machine and my burr size is 3 and grind size is 6
Whenever i use pressurised basket my espresso becomes too bubbly and not good for lattee arts and if i use non pressurise basket the espresso shots comes too fast but that’s better than pressurised basket for lattee art but not perfect shot
Conclusion: is my burr size and grind size is correct or i need to something else?
Please answers will be appreciated
Thanks
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Hi. I've tried many times Non Pressurized filter but i cant get crema :( I tested a few brands of coffee but almost the same result - no crema or very tiny. Can you recommend some European brand coffee, please?
It has less to do with the brand, and more to do with the freshness! Make sure your beans were roasted within a few weeks of brewing, kept in an airtight container, and you'll have loads of crema!
@@LifestyleLab_ Thank you! Today I bought some Lavazza and I get good ratio timing, taste, anything with Non-Pressurized Filter but still can't make big crema like yours! I'll test tomorrow to master the extraction and I hope will get better results. If not, I guess I must try to find the right fresh coffee for crema :)
What happens if you use fine ground coffee in pressurized basket?
If it’s too fine, it will choke the machine
So you mean that if i decide to use pre-ground espresso coffee like Illy, i will have to use the pressurized basket ? it won't work with the regular one ?
Correct
@@LifestyleLab_ OK thanks ! And also thank you for all those videos. Very well explained.
Well, considering that in my country good coffee costs a lot, i preffer to use commercial coffee instead and with the help of my double wall basket, i drink a coffee better than those who sell at vendor coffee machines or automatic espressor
If you were to use a pressurized filter. How coarse should you grind the coffe or does it matter at all ?
Coarseness of grind will still have an impact on the extracting due to the change in surface area, but less so overall due to the relatively fixed flow rate that a pressurized filter creates
@@LifestyleLab_ ok so i’ve tried to use the nonpressurefilter with a coffee roasted 10 dans ago. Did the mesuring with 18 g beans and timed the 36g output. 8.50 seconds 🤔. Also used a distributer tool and stamped it with the build in tamper. Grind is set at 10 out of 30 on the build in grinder on a sage barista touch.
WHAT is wrong 😫😫😫
@@LifestyleLab_ Ok so i found a video with 2 girls from New York who made coffee on a breville. They used setting 2 in the grinder. After trying that it solved the problem and OMG what a great cup of coffee ;-)
I' m struggling to clean my pressurized "single" coffee pressurized filter! Not even a single drop of liquid fall from it :(
How can I clean it?
Have you tried using needle to poke through the hole?
I use a brass wire brush, perfect job of clearing the holes. Do it from below!
Hi so I've tried to use a non pressurized bottomless portafilter but I can't seem to get any pressure building up on the pressure gauge on the Sage Barista Express. However when I use the pressurized basket the pressure gauge is perfect?
Have you dialed in your grind size?
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@Lifestyle Lab hi thanks for your reply! Yes so I've followed all the puck prep only thing I don't do is time the shot which I could start doing. But when using a non pressurized basket the pressure just doesn't build much compared to when I use the pressurized basket with one hole then the pressure is perfect. So yeah I'm really confused what I'm doing wrong
How fine are you grinding, what’s the grind setting at?
@Lifestyle Lab grind setting is 7 at the moment. It seems fluffy & when I use pressurized basket it's perfect pressure. I'm trying to develop my skills to use a bottomless portafilter and pour a perfect shot but clearly I seem to be doing something wrong :/
You just need to grind finer as described in that video. The finer you grind, the more resistance the puck provides
So with pre ground coffee, always use the double wall filter?! Or can you use the single wall as well?!
Always double wall
Single wall requires the ability to adjust the grind size to achieve the correct flow. Which obviously cannot be done if the coffee is already ground
@@LifestyleLab_ and are you recommend every time to weigh as well?! I just had the Express this week, still hit and miss. Will get some fresh beans this week to keep practising!
For best consistency, absolutely :)
Same weight of coffee in, and same weight of espresso out will result in the same tasting coffee each time
So say i buy blonde espresso beans at starbucks and have the barista grind them for me on espresso grind. I can use the unpressurized basket right?
No, because the chances of them choosing the exact right grind size is slim to none. This is called “dialing in” espresso, the process of slowly changing the grind size to adjust the flow rate of the shot.
Getting fresh ground coffee from a roaster and using it in the pressurized basket is still better than store bought pre-ground though :)
@@LifestyleLab_ how do i get to be able to use the unpressurized basket. I’m looking more toward the bambino because the espresso is the most important to me. Do i buy their grinder for it?
Yes, you will need a proper espresso grinder such as the Baratza Sette, Breville Smart Grinder Pro, etc… a burr grinder (not a blade grinder) that can grind fine enough for espresso
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Thanks for the video.
I'm still in process of learning how to properly distribute and tamp my puck, so far I'm still getting bad results with the non pressurized basket and I suspect is something also related to my grind. Could you please share you grind settings (including the internal cone setting). Regards
Hi Roger!
Unfortunately, sharing my grind settings isn't going to help you out because Breville machines aren't calibrated to one another, and we aren't using the same coffee. Have you watched the dialing in video yet? Are you struggling with getting a decent flow rate? or consistency?
@@LifestyleLab_ Flowrate is my main issue. Brewing time is very short. I'm trying to get 45 grams out of 18 grams of coffee and getting it under 16 seconds when I'm aiming for 22 to 24 seconds
Yes, 16 is quite quick. And you've tried grinding finer?
@@LifestyleLab_ Yes, I'm using the setting 1 of the external dial and moved one position the setting of the internal cone
@@Roger0A0H Are you using the tamper that comes with the machine, or the tamper that takes the guess work out?
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I have that machine and I'm struggling can you show me more videos please
Dialing In Breville Barista Express | Dose, grind, yield, time
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@@LifestyleLab_ thanks Also the option for more or less coffee how do you use this
All explained in the video above.
No one told me that for non pressurized basket you have to spend 10 times more money then coffee machine itself to get grinder 🤦 to enjoy that flavor. And pressurized baskets works with portafilters which have plastic in it which can leak microplastic too your coffee so I'm trying avoid thesy portafilters. Now I don't know what to do spend 400$ + for grinder or sell coffee machine.
Not all pressurized portafilters have plastic. And those that do, you can very often just remove it
@@LifestyleLab_ yes I actually try do that with mine but after that extraction was looking like on your video here on pressurized basket because portafilter have just a hole and the stream flew straight down into the cup making mess. I find out that I can use puck screen on the bottom portafilter to stop strong stream and it kinda works 🙂 De'Longhi ECP3420 my machine
There is one more reason to own/use a pressurized basket that does not get mentioned: to test your machine. If you are constantly getting low pressure with your non-pressurized basket, you can put in the pressurized basket with no coffee in it and run the machine to test if you are getting pressure that way. If so, then your grind and tamping are probably at fault. If not, then you know your machine needs service.
What about when you’re super lazy and want to use ESE pods? I use a pressurized basket.
Aha, yes you must use pressurized for ESE pods
I'm a newbie and I know the difference between single walled and dual walled filters but you didn't explain how to use them. I especially want to know how to use the pressurized dual walled filter basket. No-one ever shows how to use those baskets.
Because that’s not what this video was for
Dual walled baskets are used the same as single wall, except the same degree of dialing in is not required to achieve stable flow. Grind slightly coarser, tamp lightly, and you’re good to go
@@LifestyleLab_ why you don't show how to use it????
Like I said above, that’s not the topic of this video…. I have other videos that show exactly that
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О каком танке ты говоришь?
I bought a bottomless basket for my Gaggia Classic Pro and got the 9 bar spring. I just can't enjoy the flavors I get. Most of the time it's this bitter/sour flavor and I just don't like it.
Taste in shot is mostly dependant on
a) the coffee you’re using (obviously)
b) your grinder
Machine, baskets, everything else pales in comparison. I’d recommend trying a new coffee, something local and freshly roasted is key. Nothing months old from the supermarket for goodness sake
@@LifestyleLab_ I bought 3 local freshly roasted in past 2 weeks beans and I adjusted my fine ground settings on my 1Zpresso Max Pro and made sure my tamp was at about 25 to 30lbs tamp even and used a needle to break up clumps and avoid channeling. I am still getting bitter/sour espresso shots. I finally got okay crema and it brews between 25 to 30 seconds too....still not great. I live pour overs and aeropress, but this has been a major disappointment for me honestly. Everyone says espresso is sweet and what not (obviously I get it's not sugar sweet), but I am not even close to that. If I had any hair I'd be pulling it out.
You need to pinpoint whether it’s bitter and over extracted or sour and underextrected, because it’s not both! They are very easy to mix up, but you need to narrow it down to know how to dial it in further. Try running to say a 1:3 ratio at the same grind setting and see the impact that has on the shot flavour. Should definitely eliminate any sourness!
@@LifestyleLab_ It is very hard to differentiate. The crema looked just like the ones I see on the TH-cam's that say it's great. So I dunno.
Crema is just trapped bubbles like the head on a beer, really nothing to indicate about the shot quality there, other than freshness. Focus on taste and experiment :)
When to use pressurised basket : basically never lol. I tried it several times just to see, the result is alway disgusting
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A pressurized basket is only offered on low end espresso machines. Otherwise don't even start using a pressurized basket. Like everyone first learning. Make a few months of the worse coffee ever to properly learn how to weigh, tamp and time the shot. The results will be rewarding.
Are Rocket machines low-end then? 🤔
When using a non-pressurised baskets, isn't it same as say a pour over coffee?
You are saying non pressurized is better. Why do you say that? Does it taste different?
Yes!
With a non-pressurized basket, the water flows evenly across the entire puck, straight through the filter to evenly extract. With a non-pressurized filter, all the water channels through one single hole (in order to build pressure). This leads to a much thinner tasting shot, and a less even extraction. All serious espresso machines will use a non-pressurized basket for these reasons
@@LifestyleLab_ in the pressurized basket, the single hole is at the outlet. At the inlet, the same shower screen is there. If the coffee is not tamped, the water is allowed to flow everywhere.
1. The grounds should always be tamped, regardless of which filter type you are using.
2. If there is only one outlet, the water will tend to channel through the center of the coffee mass, which will overextract certain grounds, and underextract those around the perimeter
@@nattyphysicist if the coffee isn't tamped you aren't making espresso mate... Just learn how to use a single wall filter like every cafe around the world. Pressurized 'espresso' tastes bad.
Try not tamping and dialing in the grind of the pressurized basket.
Stay with Pressurized! Stay away from pre ground pressurized.
Call me lazy... I just spent an hour “dialing in” got perfect pressure once and could not duplicate it it again... I’m always under pressure!
Certainly not meant as a jab to those still struggling to dial in ;)
Have you bought a scale to standardize your dose, and a better tamper to ensure consistency?
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@@LifestyleLab_ hi! I wasn’t offended lol... I just gave up this morning and used the dual wall. However after posting this I went back and tried again... with a scale. I got it ... but only after I turned my grind to the finest setting... 3 days ago, my same bean was correctly pressurizing at 4/5... I’m happy for today 😀
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