Agree with you Tom.. As Paul did with you, my suggestion is to invite him to New York and do together the same with Dr Hallaq.. 4-5 sessions to get as much as possible of his great & life project..
Thanks @TomFaccine for introducing to this great scholar . I just learnt about him yesterday from your talk with brother Paul. I hope someday someone translate his works in Bangla and my country folks can read him.. there is a deep problem in the South east Asian Muslim majority countries. All of these western liberalist ideas are spreading like cancer into the mind of vast majority of the youth and there is no native intellectual defense against it. confused trans-gender ideas have been included in the national textbook of secondary education this year.
I did not feel that a single question asked really homed in on what he was really focusing on and ironically it speaks to how necessary it is for us to reevaluate our epistemological approach to learning about our faith, and develop our own independent and Islamic based ways of knowledge. It’s about mentally being colonized and even the first guy though his question was, not let’s say constructive however it sounded as if he was offended at the notion that some of his epistemology may be western influenced and suggested that it is solely an issue for an Arab or a Muslim that lives in the west. In the most basic manifestation of this is how foreign degrees are inherently perceived as superior within Muslim countries. As an Algerian I can deeply appreciate the concept and the example he used during the questions section, because my people underwent the oppressive and cruel attempts of the the French to assert their epistemology as the only one true way of knowing which of course it’s not. And how deeply engrained it is because even my inherent example mentioning my nationality, within Islamic epistemology we don’t think that way. In fact we are all of one ummah but the western ideas of countries, nationalism and patriotism have influenced us and now Muslim are fighting one another instead of uniting the ummah.
It's bizarre to see how every question is almost hostile to a scholar like Dr Hallaq. Fully western and ready with their guns, t's strangely beautiful about the lecture is, that the questionnaires themselevs are clearly manifesting Hallaq's stated problems in the deep effects that it has etched upon the minds and souls of the global individuals, especially the Muslims! 😇
7:14 begins 7:50 conclusions (premises) 12:49 decolonization 13:20 system of knowledge vs system of the self 13:55 critique of edward said 14:35 first step decolonization : language 15:05 MODERN STATE & EQUALITY 17:41 pathological democratic society 20:05 list of LACKS 24:24 ibn khaldun 29:15 bureaucracy - a novel notion
How can he be an asset to the Muslim Ummah when he still believes in the Christian concept of trinity. We have no problem with him being Christian. However, belief in the Trinity means associating someone with Allah. This is a serious sin in Islam.
Professor Wael Hallaq is the most impressive scientist in Islamic Shari'a, he is cited over 10000 times in academic literature, he is bringing new understanding of human history and bringing back its best moral values! May Almighty open our hearts and minds to embrace the best moral values and live by them as much as possible!
It seems people past and present don't work on their "self" purposefully and its improvements but the difference between past and present is that life was much tougher and forced people to work on themselves to survive while today most survive effortlessly!
Insightful talk and reframing. Agreed other than a couple of questioners, they either didn't seem to understand his point or proved his point by their questions. Can anyone give a summary of the last question/answer?
The questioner, after expressing his agreement with and appreciation of his work, wonders what's the solution, since propositions from within modernity are in vain and those from without are impossible because power rests with the "West"? Answer: there's no third way because you can't treat a problem created by the same system using its own tools (giving example of stomach acidity); there remains thus only the second solution but it's a personal choice. You shouldn't feel hopeless about it. Nothing is impossible, European modernity, for instance, at its early stages was in a worse position than we are in today, but it slowly and successfully re-engineered and reinvented itself. We can also do the same thing, opt out of modernity and help them too opt out of it.
@@othmenouaarab9748 Well, It's quite a relevant topic. Overcoming post-modernity was highlited in works of modern Russian Islamic thinker Geydar Dzhemal(Heydar Jamal 1947-2016) in lecture series The New Theology and in other his works.
Do you think the Arabic translation of the title is accurate? ((What is Post Orientalism? ماذا بعد الاستشراق؟ )). It seems ambiguous. I suppose that they translated English into Arabic, as the lecture is in English. The dash after post makes it more complicated.
Hallucinations … قتل تارك الصلاة God sent Mohamed to punish our children if they abandoned prayer !!!! انتم بتكلموا مين ؟؟! و فين ؟؟؟ صعب علي الغرب يترجم فيديو الشعراوي في تحليل قتل تارك الصلاة؟؟!!
The speaker would do well to define orientalism. I tried to read the Edward Said book a long time ago but found it impenetrable. The speaker also does not understand what the American Founders meant by equality. Of course people are born with different physical and intellectual abilities. What Jefferson and other Founders meant was equality before the law. The term is also used aspirationally, as in the hope to abolish slavery. As for the speaker’s claim that there is no individual moral voice permitted in western bureaucracies, I would call his attention to the many whistleblower laws as well as the dissent channel at the US State department. I really can’t blame him for all these inaccuracies and misunderstandings because he is a scholar of Islam and doesn’t have time to study American history or Society. But he should at least consult scholars in these fields before making his public criticisms.
"... does not understand what the American Founders meant by equality ... what Jefferson ... meant was equality before the law" ... Hallaq briefly touches on this around 28:00 onwards. Having read some of his work. I would suggest that he understands very well.
You do realise that Jefferson owned slaves and when he did reduce slavery, it was so that the value of his "stock" would increase. They were still businessman who traded in flesh. The fact that you talk about how exceptional America (and by extension Western society) is and its "benevolence" to people of color is in and of itself a prime example of orientalism. Another example of orientalism is from your tone of condescension. You use pseudo intellectual words that comes off as polite but I've lived amongst y'all to know what you are actually saying is "I don't care to understand foreign brown people. They don't get to talk about my people because there's no way they can be that educated".
Excellent talk! A pity most of the questioners don't seem familiar with his work, let alone understand it.
Agree with you Tom.. As Paul did with you, my suggestion is to invite him to New York and do together the same with Dr Hallaq.. 4-5 sessions to get as much as possible of his great & life project..
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Very True Imam Tom.
Thanks @TomFaccine for introducing to this great scholar . I just learnt about him yesterday from your talk with brother Paul. I hope someday someone translate his works in Bangla and my country folks can read him.. there is a deep problem in the South east Asian Muslim majority countries. All of these western liberalist ideas are spreading like cancer into the mind of vast majority of the youth and there is no native intellectual defense against it. confused trans-gender ideas have been included in the national textbook of secondary education this year.
One of the most important thinkers of our time.
Very important insights, may we will all guided righteously
I did not feel that a single question asked really homed in on what he was really focusing on and ironically it speaks to how necessary it is for us to reevaluate our epistemological approach to learning about our faith, and develop our own independent and Islamic based ways of knowledge. It’s about mentally being colonized and even the first guy though his question was, not let’s say constructive however it sounded as if he was offended at the notion that some of his epistemology may be western influenced and suggested that it is solely an issue for an Arab or a Muslim that lives in the west. In the most basic manifestation of this is how foreign degrees are inherently perceived as superior within Muslim countries. As an Algerian I can deeply appreciate the concept and the example he used during the questions section, because my people underwent the oppressive and cruel attempts of the the French to assert their epistemology as the only one true way of knowing which of course it’s not. And how deeply engrained it is because even my inherent example mentioning my nationality, within Islamic epistemology we don’t think that way. In fact we are all of one ummah but the western ideas of countries, nationalism and patriotism have influenced us and now Muslim are fighting one another instead of uniting the ummah.
It's bizarre to see how every question is almost hostile to a scholar like Dr Hallaq. Fully western and ready with their guns, t's strangely beautiful about the lecture is, that the questionnaires themselevs are clearly manifesting Hallaq's stated problems in the deep effects that it has etched upon the minds and souls of the global individuals, especially the Muslims! 😇
7:14 begins
7:50 conclusions (premises)
12:49 decolonization
13:20 system of knowledge vs system of the self
13:55 critique of edward said
14:35 first step decolonization : language
15:05 MODERN STATE & EQUALITY
17:41 pathological democratic society
20:05 list of LACKS
24:24 ibn khaldun
29:15 bureaucracy - a novel notion
36:40 nature
Dr. Hallaq is an invaluable asset for the Muslim Ummah! May Allah almighty bless him and give him long life!
How can he be an asset to the Muslim Ummah when he still believes in the Christian concept of trinity.
We have no problem with him being Christian. However, belief in the Trinity means associating someone with Allah. This is a serious sin in Islam.
Professor Wael Hallaq is the most impressive scientist in Islamic Shari'a, he is cited over 10000 times in academic literature, he is bringing new understanding of human history and bringing back its best moral values! May Almighty open our hearts and minds to embrace the best moral values and live by them as much as possible!
Genius Presentation. Mind blowing
Enlightening lecture, and the beginning of contemporary renaissance
Monumental contributions. Love for dr. Hallaq, one of the intellectual giants of our era with insights that could change the world for the better.
It seems people past and present don't work on their "self" purposefully and its improvements but the difference between past and present is that life was much tougher and forced people to work on themselves to survive while today most survive effortlessly!
Insightful talk and reframing. Agreed other than a couple of questioners, they either didn't seem to understand his point or proved his point by their questions.
Can anyone give a summary of the last question/answer?
The questioner, after expressing his agreement with and appreciation of his work, wonders what's the solution, since propositions from within modernity are in vain and those from without are impossible because power rests with the "West"?
Answer: there's no third way because you can't treat a problem created by the same system using its own tools (giving example of stomach acidity); there remains thus only the second solution but it's a personal choice. You shouldn't feel hopeless about it. Nothing is impossible, European modernity, for instance, at its early stages was in a worse position than we are in today, but it slowly and successfully re-engineered and reinvented itself. We can also do the same thing, opt out of modernity and help them too opt out of it.
@@othmenouaarab9748 Well, It's quite a relevant topic. Overcoming post-modernity was highlited in works of modern Russian Islamic thinker Geydar Dzhemal(Heydar Jamal 1947-2016) in lecture series The New Theology and in other his works.
@@muslimphilosophy Thanks for sharing!
Interesting points
Very Insightful
thank you
Well mentioned 👍🏻
At 47:30 who is the scholar that Hallaq is talking about apart from Foucault?
I think Pierre Hadot
Thank you. Is this paper available somewhere?
Do you think the Arabic translation of the title is accurate?
((What is Post Orientalism? ماذا بعد الاستشراق؟ )). It seems ambiguous. I suppose that they translated English into Arabic, as the lecture is in English. The dash after post makes it more complicated.
The triumph of the therapeutic. What's the author's name?
Salaam shaykhna, Triumph of the Therapeutic: Uses of Faith After Freud - Phillip Rieff
Nah you can never convince me Hallaq isn’t a Muslim.
British did the same with WAQF system in Bengal to destroy the Madrasa systems..
40:25 ontology of food
Hallucinations … قتل تارك الصلاة
God sent Mohamed to punish our children if they abandoned prayer !!!!
انتم بتكلموا مين ؟؟! و فين ؟؟؟
صعب علي الغرب يترجم فيديو الشعراوي في تحليل قتل تارك الصلاة؟؟!!
The speaker would do well to define orientalism. I tried to read the Edward Said book a long time ago but found it impenetrable.
The speaker also does not understand what the American Founders meant by equality. Of course people are born with different physical and intellectual abilities. What Jefferson and other Founders meant was equality before the law. The term is also used aspirationally, as in the hope to abolish slavery.
As for the speaker’s claim that there is no individual moral voice permitted in western bureaucracies, I would call his attention to the many whistleblower laws as well as the dissent channel at the US State department.
I really can’t blame him for all these inaccuracies and misunderstandings because he is a scholar of Islam and doesn’t have time to study American history or Society. But he should at least consult scholars in these fields before making his public criticisms.
"... does not understand what the American Founders meant by equality ... what Jefferson ... meant was equality before the law" ... Hallaq briefly touches on this around 28:00 onwards. Having read some of his work. I would suggest that he understands very well.
You do realise that Jefferson owned slaves and when he did reduce slavery, it was so that the value of his "stock" would increase. They were still businessman who traded in flesh. The fact that you talk about how exceptional America (and by extension Western society) is and its "benevolence" to people of color is in and of itself a prime example of orientalism. Another example of orientalism is from your tone of condescension. You use pseudo intellectual words that comes off as polite but I've lived amongst y'all to know what you are actually saying is "I don't care to understand foreign brown people. They don't get to talk about my people because there's no way they can be that educated".