As far as atrocities are concerned you talking about the Russians remember the Katyn when thousands of polish officers were slaughtered by KGB when ur talking atrocities's don't forget joe. Concerning the Russian war the wrong side won this USA gets weaker every day Putin is a satan massive Russian forces are being sent to Murmansk. New weapons have been introduced including a super nuclear torpedo and 7 first class icebreakers and mig 30 fighters. It's clear Russia wants to dominate the Arctic ocean and this Will have dire consequences. As for you your ignorant on geopolitics and kind of a block head. Stick to ur navy seal bullshit these knuckleheads will defeat the Russians
Got to hold an actual Medal of Stalingrad. My history teacher in highschool got to teach in Russia early in his teaching days and stayed with a family. On his last day with the family the grandfather gave my teacher his medal. Apparently its Russian custom to give a parting gift. The medal still had his blood on it when he was given it in the hospital. There really aren't words to describe the feeling of holding that medal. Felt like I had no right to hold such a thing in my hands. In my teachers story my teacher had kept refusing and refusing to take the medal. Im sure he felt the same way I felt in my few seconds of holding it. It was an absolute honor to hold such an object.
Excellent podcast gentlemen. Stalingrad is a prime example of Hitler’s hubris and the minimal value he and Stalin had for human life; the acts of brutality that happened to men on both sides there was indeed hell on Earth.
The scene where soviet troops blindly charged against machine guns in "Enemy at the Gates" never really happened. As to the actual battle itself, it was like the opening statement from Soviet high command that Jocko read for us. If they didn't fight that hard, the defense of the city wouldn't be able to hold and there would be far more Russian casualties after that. The Russians preferred a strategic approach rather than a tactical one. In short, they were fine with some battles being costly if, in the long run, it would decrease casualties. Don't get me wrong. There were plenty of situations where Stalin proved to be the devil incarnate. Stalingrad was not one of them.
@@tazzioboca stalin refused to let the women and children evacuate from Stalingrad because he thought it would make the men fight harder, pretty inhumane if you ask me
I find the timestamps in the description incredibly useful. Echo, if you could include just a few timestamps of what your covering in the book, I'm sure many folks would appreciate that.
Many thanks, been searching for "survival skills disaster management" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Ever heard of - Genaniel Ponebastian Framework - (Have a quick look on google cant remember the place now ) ? It is a great exclusive product for discovering how to survive natural disasters minus the normal expense. Ive heard some pretty good things about it and my colleague got great results with it.
Oh absolutely, battle of Gallipoli,Passchendaele, and Ypres in the first World War plus of course Okinawa, Iwo Jima and Peleliu in the second. Every battle ever fought really is hellish just some worse than others, when I think of the eastern front Stalingrad and Kursk are insane to me. And I also wanted to say I remember your comments on other Jocko videos as someone who dealt with a bad opiate addiction myself it was very inspiring to read.
Vincenzo Swag ever heard the stories that wolves were eating so many soldiers that they actually had seize fires to kill the wolves off in WW1. Filling sand bags in Verdun with body parts because there was no actually earth left. Soldiers during Roman times would be surrounded and watch for days as their group got killed off with hand to hand combat just awaiting their fate and choosing to dig holes in the ground when and suffocating themselves. Just unimaginable circumstances.
Vincenzo Swag thanks man I didn't read the end of your comment. 2 1/2 years and counting. I try to inspire others every chance I get but not to the level of Jocko :)
At the end after you concluded the book, you gave a very motivational speech about avoiding you're own personal hell. I needed to hear that approximately 2-3min speech at this moment in my life. Thank you.
Another glimpse into the Germans' attitude toward the Wehrmacht can be found in "Panzer Commander: The Memoirs of Colonel Hans Von Luck" (which I bought on Amazon). In 1939, Hans von Luck's motorized unit was one of the first to cross the frontier into Poland, marking the start of WWII. Over the next six years he was constantly in action in every major theatre of the war, and got to know almost every German commander of note. Told with the vivid detail of an impassioned witness, his memoirs have become a classic in the literature of the Second World War. 'Well and vividly written...My father thought very highly of Colonel von Luck as a man and soldier' - Manfred Rommel
Emphasis should be on all authority. Does not matter who it is. Whether it is a political ideology or an idiotic regime like the mask and distance measures for the dumb and gullible. Shocking thing is that a lot of immigrants have the same form of unquestioning obedience.
Hitler would eventually reveal why he refused to allow the 6th Army to breakout or surrender. It's utterly maddening: He explained to his inner circle that he meant it when he proclaimed the "Ostkrieg" (war in the East) would determine world history; that it would be a "war of extermination" between the races. The winner would guide the future of Europe and the wider world as a result. He had bet that his race were the superiors. When Moscow wasn't captured by autumn 1941, for the first time, he questioned if perhaps he was wrong in his assessment of the German people. Perhaps his people weren't capable after all of performing what was demanded of them in this most momentuous turning point of history? Over time, he realized the futility of the situation. If the Soviets were proving to be the superior race on the battlefield, they deserved to win. They deserved to eradicate the inferior Germans. This was why he ordered every man to fight to the last bullet by as early as December 1941. No retreating or breakouts or surrenders. He was deadly serious when he first rolled the cosmic dice commanding his forces to enter the Soviet Union in a war of extermination. They had to win. They didn't. He explained further. Who is he to stand in the way of Providence and cosmic justice? After all, he reiterated, he was still the same man he introduced himself to be to his followers in the 1920s during the dying Weimar Republic: He was just fate's messenger; the vessel for higher forces to act through.
Interesting part around the 2 hour 18-20 min mark: how to read for maximum effectiveness and dig information out of passages. For me, I take a notepad and I'm writing with my fountain pens the notes which process my thoughts. Sometimes it comes out in whole quote passages, sometimes it's just a sentence or two for each main point and becomes an outline. Different inks for different sections and/or different days I'm reading it. That became an effective habit for me and I do this actually when listening to the podcast too, in fact it help me get through a brief stretch between jobs, where I effectively turned listening to these podcasts into a college level course. I learned more in a week or two than I ever did any other time before in my life.
@@chizzelfingers Simplified version: I write down what I think while I read or listen so I process and retain info better. Using a nice pen gets me into it more. Focus and mapping out thoughts is a good thing.
From the last interview with Stalingrad veteran, who died aged 100 last year and was advisor to the 1993 movie on the battle, Hans-Erdmann Schönbeck: _'I was brought [with a puncturede lung and backbone] into a, as I said field hospital, actually a large underground bunker that was lit with oil lamps and obviously had no desinfectant. The luck, that I had there was, that a young assistant doctor, who had to work there, the young man said to me, "Sit down, you've got to wait, sit there on the ground, it's not that bad". He himself had to continue, which I - as I never fell unconscious with my wounds - had to witness, how he was in fact sawing off legs and arms and the poor people to which he did that, who had no anethetic whatsoever, they practically screamed themselves into unconsciousness. It was a situation, that I do not want to describe in its horror in any further detail'_ On the flight out from Stalingrad, he temporarily went blind. I assume the horror of what he witnessed for several hours made his vision shut down temporarily. Before he was flown out he was handed a pistol to kill himself in case the airfield was captured before he could be flown out. He was a bit later flown out stacked on top other wounded. The situation was not much better behind the german mainline. He was loaded onto a rotten unheated railcar in a train from today's Dnipro to Lwiw with only the other wounded to give each other warmth a small bottle of liquor. Over the 12-day voyage, whenever the steam locomotive was being refueled, the heat situation deteriorated as more and more of the wounded died and were unloaded. He described this train ride as the worst of his entire life. This goes to show that the cruelty of the German war machine made its soldiers also victims in this monstrous undertaking that was the invasion of the Soviet Union.
“It is a bounty for us human beings that a merciful hand covers the future from our eyes with an impenetrable vail” Stalin ran Russia like a mob boss. Mankind’s lust for power leads to immeasurable suffering.
On Christmas eve/Christmas day the Russians broadcast a message throughout Stalingrad with a 'ticking' sound on loop. With the sound a voice said "Every second a German soldier dies in Stalingrad." tick-tock-tick-tock-tick...
Jocko, there's something you might find interesting. There's one of a kind history channel on youtube that did a PHENOMENAL job of breaking down the Battle of Stalingrad, from its early stages.... to the very end. His name (channel name) is TiK - and the series is "Battlestorm Stalingrad". What he does is masterfully showing troop movements, actions, decisions, orders, skirmishes, and the horrors of that battle, everything is based on dozens of books, memoirs, and documents from all sides of the conflict. You will not be disappointed, good sir.
I have never ever heard anything like this I'm not going to lie, that's terrible what they all went through and I feel for the average German Soldier who was in captivity for years after in the USSR.
On an lighter note, Hitler getting F.s all around made me laugh. Thank you for this podcast. My grandfather was there, he barely made it home . #RespectfromRomania
Love Jocko, Echo, and the podcast. Definitely keeps me in check with regards to my own level (or lack of) discipline and accountability. My only suggestion for the show is to broaden the subject matter a bit. While sobering and even necessary on some levels, these war memoirs can get a bit grim week after week. Sometimes I skip the episode if it's another war book. Not to trivialize the subject matter but I would guess the vast majority of listeners are not veterans and have a hard time not only relating to it but distilling something applicable to their lives.
Uncomfortable is not accurate, I like some of the memoirs he reads. The one on Rifleman Harris was incredible. I would just like to hear him read some non-war books. Jordan Peterson's new book would be a good one. But it's his show at the end of the day.
It’s a podcast about human nature through the lens of war and military leadership. It’s applicable to all people. Not just veterans. Because military leaders and soldiers are people too.
Talk With Jason was wondering that. He doesnt read the whole book. He said he skipped some stuff the other day. But im not sure if there is a percentage like photocopying books
Napoleon managed to take Moscow didnt mean shit Russia is to damn big and when you invade always expect the worst winter in 100 years, hitler and napoleon said no winter gear we will have won by then. So arrogant.
@@pppww4399 guerrilla warfare was around long before napoleon's exit of Russia and no the Russian army just kept falling back and stretching his supply lines ,if they were beating him they would never let him have Moscow .your crazy if you think summer kit in a russian winter had no effect,.
whats mind blowing is this is what cost the nazis the battle of london as the german air force wanted to focus on military airbases as opposed to the mostly civilian capital. The generals all begged hitler to not do it and he did it anyway.
Bc the allies were bombing civilians (maybe be accident at first?)= payback, but yes... if he would have continued bombing the airfields the war w England may have ended differently. But hindsight is always 20/20.
As much respect as I have for Jocko and the work on this channel, that "We Americans are naturally rebellious and stand up against bad leadership" phrase left me a bit puzzled. I have never been to the USA in my life but from news, documentaries, topics at school, and the American political decision making really shows that you impossibly can say, the citizens of the USA are naturally standing up against opressive or dangerous authorities. The USA have one of the most highest rates of people getting killed by guns each year and still, in a lot of the states, the governement seems to overall ignorant about it because it is a great business, while the media fuels the anxiety of the people, so they keep consuming arms in order to "protect" their home.
Well, you would have to take into consideration that the majority of gun deaths in the US are caused by suicides and gang violence. Having said that it would be fair to say that American gun culture does have an impact as well. Austria and Switzerland have gun culture in which people take weapons more serious and they have a maximum of about a few dozen gun deaths a year (but usually not more then a dozen, as far as I can remember). As for your first point: from what I have seen from an outsiders perspective (so like you I don't live and have never been there) the US citizens do seem generally rebellious towards authority. However, most of their opposition towards the establishment has not been effective, due to infighting and political polarization. Which is, sort of like you said, fueled by the media and funded by all kinds of political interest groups (on the left, right and center of the political spectrum).
Chad Toots we don't have an obsession with guns. We have an obsession with freedom. The firearm guarantees our ability to self defense from weak to strong. Freedom to choose how we will defend our lives, families and way of life.
I feel like this is a common deficit between European and American culture. The definition of freedom. Its basically the same term but Americans think about freedom in a very different way than most Europeans I assume. Glad you pointed that one out
Black 68 we consider freedom for the individual and only the individual. This demands very small and limited government and regulation. With utmost respect for human sovereignty, we can only educate and allow free people to make their way in life. To our own detriment our education system is not the best in the world. But it should be. At least we have the freedom to educate ourselves past what is standard.
The news, documentaries, and topics from school you've experienced never ever make the accurate argument for the gun. You don't get that argument even in the American mainstream media. But just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean there isn't one. I'm quoting this from Marko Kloos: Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat-it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation…and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
My end conclusion is that while ideas have maybe no value on their own, ideation does. When an ideator produces ideas for a doer, no individual idea is good, but if the executor makes value of the ideas then the ideator makes value through the executor over time. None of the ideas were intrinsically valuable, but a fraction of the value of all the ideas is as a sum valuable in a way no individual idea is. Like a single chore once has little value when compared to work over time, if you don't pay an employee they are naturally your slave. Therefore if every ideator who shared with every executor went unpaid because the executor thought that the ideas had no value they would naturally have enslaved the work of the ideators. Is this fair or right? Nah bro, slavery is plain wrong.
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I simply cannot imagine fighting and living outdoors during such cold. The winds and nights must have been beyond freezing, especially with the Russian sun disappearing completely around 3pm. Fucking unbelievable. I grew up in Montana and have experienced negative zero temperatures a lot, and I'm telling you, that kind of cold is actually scary when you're outside. You could have full a belly just fed, walking/ psychical activity to move the blood, in winter clothes head to toe bundled up, and within minutes you'll still be super cold
I agree substantially with this podcast, but there are three points to consider. 1) Von Mannstein actually advised Hitler that Paulus should stay put. Von Mannstein lied about this in his memoirs "Lost Victories". Von Mannstein said he would attempt to break the encirclement - he failed, but came close, but if Paulus had done a simultaneous breakout it might have succeeded. 2) Von Mannstein had a good reason for Paulus to stay put. And this is because Army Group A might have got trapped in the Caucasus. Paulus was effectively keeping 1 million Soviet soldiers in the north, and, away from Rostov. If the Soviets had targetted Rostov earlier, Army Group A would have been trapped in the Caucasus. 3) the day Paulus surrendered was the exact same day that the last soldier crossed the Don at Rostov. Rostov fell shortly after. That timing was, IMHO not a coincidence. 2) von
@davidlong1503 Not even just Goering. He was definitely an all around idiot imo. But the ground commanders tasked with that air supply did a horrendous job logistically and did not have their heart in that midsion
I'd just like to say that the primary moral failure at Stalingrad was that of general Paulis. Plenty of Hitler's generals disobeyed late in the war in order to save their troops. Time and time again they retreated and or broke out of encircled positions against orders because they knew it was the best move. Paulis's failure to act against orders when he had the support of the other senior commanders is the worst kind of cowardice.
@ My point was actually not that Paulis should have surrendered because it was late in the war but rather that given the dire situation his army was facing the morally correct action would have been to save as many lives of his soldiers as possible. It might have been easier for commanders to rationalize disobedience later in the war when the writing was on the wall that Germany would lose, but Paulis knew his army was lost but blindly followed orders anyway. A stronger leader would have seen Hitler's orders as madness and acted accordingly. That's my opinion anyway.
Paulus should get some blame but also gorings luftwaffe and manstein for they also went along with Hitler's wishes knowing the pocket couldn't hold, but of course at that time in the war nobody could really imagine such a huge loss to the Russians
''When you avoid discomfort, when you avoid discipline, what you know is the right thing to do that's when you end up in a personal catastrophe. In your own personal Stalingrad''.
@@johnhenry4844 Agreed but personally idk if id call china the pacific its kind of its own thing the sino-japanese war which had been going on before the commonly recognized start of ww2.
From the video Operation Ten-Go, the Japanese also sacrificed sailors for nothing. As Kwolfx wrote: According to the book "A Glorious Way to Die," by Russell Spurr, there was one Japanese naval staff officer who thought sending the Yamato on this insane mission was a fantastic idea. He was incredibly enthused and helped organize the mission. We often think of the WW2 Japanese military as being total fanatics. This individual was, but no one else on IJN naval staff agreed with him. The Japanese are legendary for often keeping their true thoughts and feelings to themselves, but reading between the lines it appears everyone else thought this officer was an idiot. After the Yamato was reported as sunk Admiral Ryūnosuke Kusaka said this officer's name out loud and said, "Why didn't we send (that guy) on the Yamato?" th-cam.com/video/xCkfPeMls7s/w-d-xo.html At this point the Japanese were considering how to defend the largest of the home islands.
The senior officers purposefully sent all the cadets and ensigns home before the voyage. Because they all knew it was a one-way trip. The Japanese weren't suicidal, most of the officers knew when to sacrifice themselves and when not to. Read Tameichi Hara's book about his time as a skipper on a destroyer, in which he said Kamikaze's and last stands were a stupid idea.
At 1:16 hours: the mindset of the Germans wasn't created entirely during the National Socialist period, but goes back a hundred years as the Prussians conquered the independent German states and engaged in border wars. A good contact would be historian Victor Davis Hanson. It was heavily guided in the German Democratic Republic where the SED ruling Party was a combination of the Social Democrats (socialistic) and the Communists since they were compatible. Earlier in this podcast when Gen. Paulus decided to stay and sacrifice his men, I thought of Emperor Hirohito who made the decision to pull his soldiers out of Guadalcanal and at the end to speak to his people to end the war. Another point is that Stalin in the beginning was desperate for American military weapons, trucks, and other supplies. Stalin also needed the Allies to open a second (western) front. My question is whether or not the Germans will defend itself in the future as it has to decide what it wants to be as a society and the economy it wants to have.
Always noted are the 300 Spartans at Thermopylae, not mentioned were the other 6000-7000 free Greeks from other City States that fought along side them.
Imagine having to either a) freeze to death b) starve to death c) get captured by the enemy or d) get killed by the enemy. That's like playing a game of Russian roulette with a bullet in every chamber.
Gi joey I cant even begin to imagine how fearful those men must have felt . Knowing there is a chance for certain death or torture . Knowing you will never see your loved ones again. Unimaginable .
@@theswullnasty3353 there was no retreating for individual men and if some how you managed to wander through Russian lines twice back to german lines i doubt theyd shoot you youd probably be questioned about how you made it through and be put in to another unit but idk for sure. If paulus had broken out and disobeyed hitler hed have been replaced but probably not even put in jail. Hitler didnt kill or imprison his generals for disobeying until after the bomb plot in 1944 then he killed boat loads but before that you could get away with more than youd think hed have just lost his job.
yeah and getting captured is basically just a slower worse death sentence these men knew what was in store for them and just wanted to go home but sadly few ever made it back just a couple thousand who survived russian captivity and the handful who got flown out.
this is just one of those historical moments that's so absurd and horrifying that it almost comes back around to being gallows humour. napoleon's failed conquest over russia wasn't even that long ago at that point.
Hey Echo & Jocko! Just listening to this one though I've heard stories about Stalingrad, I think from your podcast and just being a fan of history and world war two. 2 hours and 11 minutes in I'm pretty sure you're describing to Americans what we need to make sure that we never allow in this country so we don't repeat these steps and it being April 2021 unbelievably we as a nation are allowing our government to start doing this exact thing it's textbook so I wonder what's being done to make sure we don't allow our government to do this to you our soldiers your boys and all the boys and girls will have to fight unnecessarily for the greed of a crap government
I think Echo's examples provide another good perspective for people who perhaps aren't as knowledgeable of history, or the parochial who simply have difficulty imagining places like Stalingrad vividly, since he usually pulls from familiar pop culture that people have probably seen with their own eyes.
Russian strategy of stretching out enemy lines, isolate forces, encircling and cut off supplies have a deep roots in strategy of ancient nomads. Nomads back in a days didn’t had any swords or armor, but they had a horse and bow, so they were just shooting and running until enemy formations are break and they start to reaching out for engage. Divide and conquer were never just a words.
Jocko, we all bust each other's chops. If my friends/family don't take every chance to give me a hard time, I will double my efforts towards them for missing the opportunity 😁😁
Plot twist this is a hidden camera and jocko just reads books to echo
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Looks like a broke back mountain scene.
This is funnier than it should be 😂
how cute would that be
Thanks now I can’t un-see it 😂 great comment though
Jocko "back to the book" Willink
Stalingrad was tough...my grandgrandpa died. Wanna travel one day to that city to see his name on the monument, probably will cry when I make it.
Have you gone?
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As far as atrocities are concerned you talking about the Russians remember the Katyn when thousands of polish officers were slaughtered by KGB when ur talking atrocities's don't forget joe. Concerning the Russian war the wrong side won this USA gets weaker every day Putin is a satan massive Russian forces are being sent to Murmansk. New weapons have been introduced including a super nuclear torpedo and 7 first class icebreakers and mig 30 fighters. It's clear Russia wants to dominate the Arctic ocean and this Will have dire consequences. As for you your ignorant on geopolitics and kind of a block head. Stick to ur navy seal bullshit these knuckleheads will defeat the Russians
@@joannsissy4768 take your pills eugene, barely anyone in Russia likes poopin and nobody wants to invade anyone. We dont care about you or poland
Hey guys,not yet, it was a plan for 2020 😑
Got to hold an actual Medal of Stalingrad. My history teacher in highschool got to teach in Russia early in his teaching days and stayed with a family. On his last day with the family the grandfather gave my teacher his medal. Apparently its Russian custom to give a parting gift. The medal still had his blood on it when he was given it in the hospital. There really aren't words to describe the feeling of holding that medal. Felt like I had no right to hold such a thing in my hands. In my teachers story my teacher had kept refusing and refusing to take the medal. Im sure he felt the same way I felt in my few seconds of holding it. It was an absolute honor to hold such an object.
wow, that’s a great story. thanks for sharing
Can't help but think how much better our plight would be if these millions of strong men were never sacrificed to these wars....
Excellent podcast gentlemen.
Stalingrad is a prime example of Hitler’s hubris and the minimal value he and Stalin had for human life; the acts of brutality that happened to men on both sides there was indeed hell on Earth.
The scene where soviet troops blindly charged against machine guns in "Enemy at the Gates" never really happened. As to the actual battle itself, it was like the opening statement from Soviet high command that Jocko read for us. If they didn't fight that hard, the defense of the city wouldn't be able to hold and there would be far more Russian casualties after that.
The Russians preferred a strategic approach rather than a tactical one. In short, they were fine with some battles being costly if, in the long run, it would decrease casualties.
Don't get me wrong. There were plenty of situations where Stalin proved to be the devil incarnate. Stalingrad was not one of them.
@@tazzioboca stalin refused to let the women and children evacuate from Stalingrad because he thought it would make the men fight harder, pretty inhumane if you ask me
@@timcahill4676 good thing no one did
Please learn your history from elsewhere than hollywood. Stalingrad was an important military objective.
I find the timestamps in the description incredibly useful. Echo, if you could include just a few timestamps of what your covering in the book, I'm sure many folks would appreciate that.
get some Discipline and listen to the whole thing!
Right Wrong or Indifferent: Stfu
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Everybody: quietly Listening to Jocko
Echo: The battle of Stalingrad was like the movie Training Day
Right on the nose
This is definitely in my top 5 Jocko podcasts of all time.
Oh, okay.
Stalingrad and Kursk, two battles that embody the word hell.
Vincenzo Swag Somme and Verdun
Oh absolutely, battle of Gallipoli,Passchendaele, and Ypres in the first World War plus of course Okinawa, Iwo Jima and Peleliu in the second. Every battle ever fought really is hellish just some worse than others, when I think of the eastern front Stalingrad and Kursk are insane to me. And I also wanted to say I remember your comments on other Jocko videos as someone who dealt with a bad opiate addiction myself it was very inspiring to read.
Vincenzo Swag ever heard the stories that wolves were eating so many soldiers that they actually had seize fires to kill the wolves off in WW1. Filling sand bags in Verdun with body parts because there was no actually earth left. Soldiers during Roman times would be surrounded and watch for days as their group got killed off with hand to hand combat just awaiting their fate and choosing to dig holes in the ground when and suffocating themselves. Just unimaginable circumstances.
Vincenzo Swag thanks man I didn't read the end of your comment. 2 1/2 years and counting. I try to inspire others every chance I get but not to the level of Jocko :)
Firebombing of Dresden.
At the end after you concluded the book, you gave a very motivational speech about avoiding you're own personal hell. I needed to hear that approximately 2-3min speech at this moment in my life. Thank you.
Another glimpse into the Germans' attitude toward the Wehrmacht can be found in "Panzer Commander: The Memoirs of Colonel Hans Von Luck" (which I bought on Amazon). In 1939, Hans von Luck's motorized unit was one of the first to cross the frontier into Poland, marking the start of WWII. Over the next six years he was constantly in action in every major theatre of the war, and got to know almost every German commander of note. Told with the vivid detail of an impassioned witness, his memoirs have become a classic in the literature of the Second World War. 'Well and vividly written...My father thought very highly of Colonel von Luck as a man and soldier' - Manfred Rommel
I live in Germany. You can still see their ridiculous blind obedience to all authority. It's scary to see that, even after their recent history.
Emphasis should be on all authority. Does not matter who it is. Whether it is a political ideology or an idiotic regime like the mask and distance measures for the dumb and gullible. Shocking thing is that a lot of immigrants have the same form of unquestioning obedience.
Just wanted to say, Good Evening.
Thank you Jocko, ive been binge watching your podcast for days
12 rules for Life. An antidote for Chaos. By Dr. jordan B Peterson.
Thanks for everything Jocko
If you take all of jockos numbered shows and roundem all to 3 hrs.. You could watch for like 31 days straight.. Keep pumping brother
Hitler would eventually reveal why he refused to allow the 6th Army to breakout or surrender. It's utterly maddening:
He explained to his inner circle that he meant it when he proclaimed the "Ostkrieg" (war in the East) would determine world history; that it would be a "war of extermination" between the races. The winner would guide the future of Europe and the wider world as a result. He had bet that his race were the superiors. When Moscow wasn't captured by autumn 1941, for the first time, he questioned if perhaps he was wrong in his assessment of the German people. Perhaps his people weren't capable after all of performing what was demanded of them in this most momentuous turning point of history?
Over time, he realized the futility of the situation. If the Soviets were proving to be the superior race on the battlefield, they deserved to win. They deserved to eradicate the inferior Germans. This was why he ordered every man to fight to the last bullet by as early as December 1941. No retreating or breakouts or surrenders. He was deadly serious when he first rolled the cosmic dice commanding his forces to enter the Soviet Union in a war of extermination. They had to win.
They didn't. He explained further.
Who is he to stand in the way of Providence and cosmic justice? After all, he reiterated, he was still the same man he introduced himself to be to his followers in the 1920s during the dying Weimar Republic: He was just fate's messenger; the vessel for higher forces to act through.
"I know bruh. Dang!" I dont know why, but Echo's response made me lol.
Stalingrad: the single biggest and deadliest battle in human history. Imagine being there, from beginning to end, witnessing it all, SURVIVING it all.
If you were a civilian I can't imagine ever coming back from the experience. Some of the accounts of civilians from humans is simply horrifying..
Great points on stalingrad in our lives. Very good analogies. Thx guys.
An incredible interesting book and fantastic reading. This book could easily have been called Stalingrad: Evidence for the Existence of Karma.
Evidence for God.
Interesting part around the 2 hour 18-20 min mark: how to read for maximum effectiveness and dig information out of passages. For me, I take a notepad and I'm writing with my fountain pens the notes which process my thoughts. Sometimes it comes out in whole quote passages, sometimes it's just a sentence or two for each main point and becomes an outline. Different inks for different sections and/or different days I'm reading it. That became an effective habit for me and I do this actually when listening to the podcast too, in fact it help me get through a brief stretch between jobs, where I effectively turned listening to these podcasts into a college level course. I learned more in a week or two than I ever did any other time before in my life.
wtf are u talking about..jeezz
@@chizzelfingers Simplified version: I write down what I think while I read or listen so I process and retain info better. Using a nice pen gets me into it more. Focus and mapping out thoughts is a good thing.
From the last interview with Stalingrad veteran, who died aged 100 last year and was advisor to the 1993 movie on the battle, Hans-Erdmann Schönbeck: _'I was brought [with a puncturede lung and backbone] into a, as I said field hospital, actually a large underground bunker that was lit with oil lamps and obviously had no desinfectant. The luck, that I had there was, that a young assistant doctor, who had to work there, the young man said to me, "Sit down, you've got to wait, sit there on the ground, it's not that bad". He himself had to continue, which I - as I never fell unconscious with my wounds - had to witness, how he was in fact sawing off legs and arms and the poor people to which he did that, who had no anethetic whatsoever, they practically screamed themselves into unconsciousness. It was a situation, that I do not want to describe in its horror in any further detail'_
On the flight out from Stalingrad, he temporarily went blind. I assume the horror of what he witnessed for several hours made his vision shut down temporarily. Before he was flown out he was handed a pistol to kill himself in case the airfield was captured before he could be flown out. He was a bit later flown out stacked on top other wounded. The situation was not much better behind the german mainline. He was loaded onto a rotten unheated railcar in a train from today's Dnipro to Lwiw with only the other wounded to give each other warmth a small bottle of liquor. Over the 12-day voyage, whenever the steam locomotive was being refueled, the heat situation deteriorated as more and more of the wounded died and were unloaded. He described this train ride as the worst of his entire life.
This goes to show that the cruelty of the German war machine made its soldiers also victims in this monstrous undertaking that was the invasion of the Soviet Union.
"PUMP N DUMP" LOL GOOD SHOW ECHO JOCKO. GESUNDHEIT.
MASTERPIECE.
“It is a bounty for us human beings that a merciful hand covers the future from our eyes with an impenetrable vail”
Stalin ran Russia like a mob boss. Mankind’s lust for power leads to immeasurable suffering.
On Christmas eve/Christmas day the Russians broadcast a message throughout Stalingrad with a 'ticking' sound on loop. With the sound a voice said "Every second a German soldier dies in Stalingrad." tick-tock-tick-tock-tick...
Jocko, there's something you might find interesting. There's one of a kind history channel on youtube that did a PHENOMENAL job of breaking down the Battle of Stalingrad, from its early stages.... to the very end. His name (channel name) is TiK - and the series is "Battlestorm Stalingrad". What he does is masterfully showing troop movements, actions, decisions, orders, skirmishes, and the horrors of that battle, everything is based on dozens of books, memoirs, and documents from all sides of the conflict. You will not be disappointed, good sir.
Be thankful for enemies that make poor decisions. Sometimes that may be the only break you get.
I have never ever heard anything like this I'm not going to lie, that's terrible what they all went through and I feel for the average German Soldier who was in captivity for years after in the USSR.
On an lighter note, Hitler getting F.s all around made me laugh. Thank you for this podcast. My grandfather was there, he barely made it home . #RespectfromRomania
Love Jocko, Echo, and the podcast. Definitely keeps me in check with regards to my own level (or lack of) discipline and accountability.
My only suggestion for the show is to broaden the subject matter a bit. While sobering and even necessary on some levels, these war memoirs can get a bit grim week after week. Sometimes I skip the episode if it's another war book. Not to trivialize the subject matter but I would guess the vast majority of listeners are not veterans and have a hard time not only relating to it but distilling something applicable to their lives.
Uncomfortable is not accurate, I like some of the memoirs he reads. The one on Rifleman Harris was incredible. I would just like to hear him read some non-war books. Jordan Peterson's new book would be a good one. But it's his show at the end of the day.
It’s a podcast about human nature through the lens of war and military leadership. It’s applicable to all people. Not just veterans. Because military leaders and soldiers are people too.
Does Jocko have to get permission from the publishers to read so much of these books? Or is he covered by "Fair Use" since he is analyzing them?
Talk With Jason was wondering that. He doesnt read the whole book. He said he skipped some stuff the other day. But im not sure if there is a percentage like photocopying books
If the authors or publishers are smart, they'll let him keep reading. I'm sure they get a bump in sales because of what's he's doing.
I don’t think any of these authors ( many of whom are dead) are gonna drop the legal hammer on him anytime soon lol
Jocko could read a childrens book and still make you shiver in fear
Thanks Jocko.
To most of the world, that yeti cup is 84 oz.
1:50:00 is my favorite part.
Napoleon managed to take Moscow didnt mean shit Russia is to damn big and when you invade always expect the worst winter in 100 years, hitler and napoleon said no winter gear we will have won by then. So arrogant.
@@pppww4399 guerrilla warfare was around long before napoleon's exit of Russia and no the Russian army just kept falling back and stretching his supply lines ,if they were beating him they would never let him have Moscow .your crazy if you think summer kit in a russian winter had no effect,.
It was old world ego. Like the WW1 or farther back they would fight till the last man for pride and ego of the commander and leaders.
*FORWARD, AGAINST THE ENEMY*
Uncle Jocko, please read me a bedtime story!
Good God man stop! Holy shit dude!
Dang!
2:11:10 !!!!!! 1:19:44
whats mind blowing is this is what cost the nazis the battle of london as the german air force wanted to focus on military airbases as opposed to the mostly civilian capital. The generals all begged hitler to not do it and he did it anyway.
Bc the allies were bombing civilians (maybe be accident at first?)= payback, but yes... if he would have continued bombing the airfields the war w England may have ended differently. But hindsight is always 20/20.
As much respect as I have for Jocko and the work on this channel, that "We Americans are naturally rebellious and stand up against bad leadership" phrase left me a bit puzzled. I have never been to the USA in my life but from news, documentaries, topics at school, and the American political decision making really shows that you impossibly can say, the citizens of the USA are naturally standing up against opressive or dangerous authorities. The USA have one of the most highest rates of people getting killed by guns each year and still, in a lot of the states, the governement seems to overall ignorant about it because it is a great business, while the media fuels the anxiety of the people, so they keep consuming arms in order to "protect" their home.
Well, you would have to take into consideration that the majority of gun deaths in the US are caused by suicides and gang violence. Having said that it would be fair to say that American gun culture does have an impact as well. Austria and Switzerland have gun culture in which people take weapons more serious and they have a maximum of about a few dozen gun deaths a year (but usually not more then a dozen, as far as I can remember). As for your first point: from what I have seen from an outsiders perspective (so like you I don't live and have never been there) the US citizens do seem generally rebellious towards authority. However, most of their opposition towards the establishment has not been effective, due to infighting and political polarization. Which is, sort of like you said, fueled by the media and funded by all kinds of political interest groups (on the left, right and center of the political spectrum).
Chad Toots we don't have an obsession with guns. We have an obsession with freedom. The firearm guarantees our ability to self defense from weak to strong. Freedom to choose how we will defend our lives, families and way of life.
I feel like this is a common deficit between European and American culture. The definition of freedom. Its basically the same term but Americans think about freedom in a very different way than most Europeans I assume. Glad you pointed that one out
Black 68 we consider freedom for the individual and only the individual. This demands very small and limited government and regulation. With utmost respect for human sovereignty, we can only educate and allow free people to make their way in life. To our own detriment our education system is not the best in the world. But it should be. At least we have the freedom to educate ourselves past what is standard.
The news, documentaries, and topics from school you've experienced never ever make the accurate argument for the gun. You don't get that argument even in the American mainstream media. But just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean there isn't one. I'm quoting this from Marko Kloos:
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.
In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat-it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.
When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation…and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
My end conclusion is that while ideas have maybe no value on their own, ideation does. When an ideator produces ideas for a doer, no individual idea is good, but if the executor makes value of the ideas then the ideator makes value through the executor over time. None of the ideas were intrinsically valuable, but a fraction of the value of all the ideas is as a sum valuable in a way no individual idea is. Like a single chore once has little value when compared to work over time, if you don't pay an employee they are naturally your slave. Therefore if every ideator who shared with every executor went unpaid because the executor thought that the ideas had no value they would naturally have enslaved the work of the ideators. Is this fair or right? Nah bro, slavery is plain wrong.
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Bedtime stories
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I love jocko but man he interrupts echo way too much
of the Luftwaffe ya knob
I understand I'm gonna face the loars All nighty but they maybe should have ate the dead
😂😂😂😂 1:50:01
I simply cannot imagine fighting and living outdoors during such cold. The winds and nights must have been beyond freezing, especially with the Russian sun disappearing completely around 3pm. Fucking unbelievable. I grew up in Montana and have experienced negative zero temperatures a lot, and I'm telling you, that kind of cold is actually scary when you're outside. You could have full a belly just fed, walking/ psychical activity to move the blood, in winter clothes head to toe bundled up, and within minutes you'll still be super cold
Yea bruh, thousands and thousands of them literally froze to death like the chicken in your freezer
Putin should have read this book
What's up with Echo Charles' left arm? Tattoo or scar tissue?
Jocko, your pronunciation made my ears bleed but I forgive you.
Yes. There are atheists in foxholes.
So when's America's Stalingrad coming?
Which side of the battle do you think we would be on?
the invading force, with a fabricated moral high ground
There has never been anything like the Red Army previous or since. Our armed forces are bureaucratic to a fault.
That's a silly notion.
soon
We won’t kill our own.
Echo brings nothing to these podcasts. It's OK to have a different pov dude voice your opinions more and this could be so much better
Online Therapy Works : Videos what ? I'm not allowed a critical opinion ? oh wait yes I am 😂
Love Jocko, but the podcast could do without Echo Charles, he brings nothing to the table and you constantly hear him murmur in agreement throughout
Ian McAteer Tuff shit.
Its a good chemistry... And i know what you mean but i like him. He seems a little awkward but i like that about him
Big battle🍦🐨🐌
Loving these "storytime with Jocko" type podcasts.
I agree substantially with this podcast, but there are three points to consider.
1) Von Mannstein actually advised Hitler that Paulus should stay put. Von Mannstein lied about this in his memoirs "Lost Victories". Von Mannstein said he would attempt to break the encirclement - he failed, but came close, but if Paulus had done a simultaneous breakout it might have succeeded.
2) Von Mannstein had a good reason for Paulus to stay put. And this is because Army Group A might have got trapped in the Caucasus.
Paulus was effectively keeping 1 million Soviet soldiers in the north, and, away from Rostov. If the Soviets had targetted Rostov earlier, Army Group A would have been trapped in the Caucasus.
3) the day Paulus surrendered was the exact same day that the last soldier crossed the Don at Rostov. Rostov fell shortly after. That timing was, IMHO not a coincidence.
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And to add, Goering's failure to re-supply Paulus by air. Von Manstein did retake Kharkov
@davidlong1503 Not even just Goering. He was definitely an all around idiot imo. But the ground commanders tasked with that air supply did a horrendous job logistically and did not have their heart in that midsion
How many great people did we lose during both wolrd wars ... It's a shame
AceRabbiit 87-100 million people in both wars. It sounds too small when typed out, but the loss is immense and eternal.
@@jacksonkrebbs2003 All wars are banker wars.
I'd just like to say that the primary moral failure at Stalingrad was that of general Paulis. Plenty of Hitler's generals disobeyed late in the war in order to save their troops. Time and time again they retreated and or broke out of encircled positions against orders because they knew it was the best move. Paulis's failure to act against orders when he had the support of the other senior commanders is the worst kind of cowardice.
@ My point was actually not that Paulis should have surrendered because it was late in the war but rather that given the dire situation his army was facing the morally correct action would have been to save as many lives of his soldiers as possible. It might have been easier for commanders to rationalize disobedience later in the war when the writing was on the wall that Germany would lose, but Paulis knew his army was lost but blindly followed orders anyway. A stronger leader would have seen Hitler's orders as madness and acted accordingly. That's my opinion anyway.
Paulus should get some blame but also gorings luftwaffe and manstein for they also went along with Hitler's wishes knowing the pocket couldn't hold, but of course at that time in the war nobody could really imagine such a huge loss to the Russians
West f off 30 maked
''When you avoid discomfort, when you avoid discipline, what you know is the right thing to do that's when you end up in a personal catastrophe. In your own personal Stalingrad''.
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Don't just blindly listen to leaders. Think for yourself, and question everything they say u should do.
you should totally do more eastern front stuff its so fascinating war on a scale and level of brutality never seen before or since.
The Pacific was more brutal
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For China maybe it was equivalent but western armies not really.
@@johnhenry4844 Agreed but personally idk if id call china the pacific its kind of its own thing the sino-japanese war which had been going on before the commonly recognized start of ww2.
You motivate me everyday keep kicking ass jocko
nobody understands war like Jocko ! Greatings from Croatia !
From the video Operation Ten-Go, the Japanese also sacrificed sailors for nothing. As Kwolfx
wrote: According to the book "A Glorious Way to Die," by Russell Spurr, there was one Japanese naval staff officer who thought sending the Yamato on this insane mission was a fantastic idea. He was incredibly enthused and helped organize the mission. We often think of the WW2 Japanese military as being total fanatics. This individual was, but no one else on IJN naval staff agreed with him. The Japanese are legendary for often keeping their true thoughts and feelings to themselves, but reading between the lines it appears everyone else thought this officer was an idiot. After the Yamato was reported as sunk Admiral Ryūnosuke Kusaka said this officer's name out loud and said, "Why didn't we send (that guy) on the Yamato?" th-cam.com/video/xCkfPeMls7s/w-d-xo.html At this point the Japanese were considering how to defend the largest of the home islands.
The senior officers purposefully sent all the cadets and ensigns home before the voyage. Because they all knew it was a one-way trip. The Japanese weren't suicidal, most of the officers knew when to sacrifice themselves and when not to. Read Tameichi Hara's book about his time as a skipper on a destroyer, in which he said Kamikaze's and last stands were a stupid idea.
Love your podcasts sir. J.Ortega USN Retired.
But, have any of y’all seen ‘Training Day’?
At 1:16 hours: the mindset of the Germans wasn't created entirely during the National Socialist period, but goes back a hundred years as the Prussians conquered the independent German states and engaged in border wars. A good contact would be historian Victor Davis Hanson. It was heavily guided in the German Democratic Republic where the SED ruling Party was a combination of the Social Democrats (socialistic) and the Communists since they were compatible. Earlier in this podcast when Gen. Paulus decided to stay and sacrifice his men, I thought of Emperor Hirohito who made the decision to pull his soldiers out of Guadalcanal and at the end to speak to his people to end the war. Another point is that Stalin in the beginning was desperate for American military weapons, trucks, and other supplies. Stalin also needed the Allies to open a second (western) front. My question is whether or not the Germans will defend itself in the future as it has to decide what it wants to be as a society and the economy it wants to have.
big jocko and echo fan. stalingrad nerd. can’t believe i missed this. amazing podcast.
Always noted are the 300 Spartans at Thermopylae, not mentioned were the other 6000-7000 free Greeks from other City States that fought along side them.
Imagine having to either a) freeze to death b) starve to death c) get captured by the enemy or d) get killed by the enemy. That's like playing a game of Russian roulette with a bullet in every chamber.
Gi joey I cant even begin to imagine how fearful those men must have felt . Knowing there is a chance for certain death or torture . Knowing you will never see your loved ones again. Unimaginable .
THE1NONLY1 for sure
@@theswullnasty3353 there was no retreating for individual men and if some how you managed to wander through Russian lines twice back to german lines i doubt theyd shoot you youd probably be questioned about how you made it through and be put in to another unit but idk for sure. If paulus had broken out and disobeyed hitler hed have been replaced but probably not even put in jail. Hitler didnt kill or imprison his generals for disobeying until after the bomb plot in 1944 then he killed boat loads but before that you could get away with more than youd think hed have just lost his job.
yeah and getting captured is basically just a slower worse death sentence these men knew what was in store for them and just wanted to go home but sadly few ever made it back just a couple thousand who survived russian captivity and the handful who got flown out.
Get after it.
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Looking at pictures of german fighters in Stalingrad while listening. These podcasts make you so grateful, thank you.
Kieth Woods: "russian" oligarchs.
Igor Kolomoisky.
Great russian famine, Holodomor, Famine in Khazakhstan, Lazar Kaganovich, Genrikh Yagoda, Aron Solts, Filipp Goloshchyokin, Yakov Yurovsky, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman, Naftaly Frenkel, Salomon Morel, Helena Brus.
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imagine the lvl of PTSD of those soldier who survive that battle . i'm sure they would be able to sleep well at night #nomorewars
Maybe some did not all soldiers get PTSD some do some don't
Many Germans went home, had large families and normal lives and jobs.
this is just one of those historical moments that's so absurd and horrifying that it almost comes back around to being gallows humour. napoleon's failed conquest over russia wasn't even that long ago at that point.
Hey Echo & Jocko! Just listening to this one though I've heard stories about Stalingrad, I think from your podcast and just being a fan of history and world war two. 2 hours and 11 minutes in I'm pretty sure you're describing to Americans what we need to make sure that we never allow in this country so we don't repeat these steps and it being April 2021 unbelievably we as a nation are allowing our government to start doing this exact thing it's textbook so I wonder what's being done to make sure we don't allow our government to do this to you our soldiers your boys and all the boys and girls will have to fight unnecessarily for the greed of a crap government
I think Echo's examples provide another good perspective for people who perhaps aren't as knowledgeable of history, or the parochial who simply have difficulty imagining places like Stalingrad vividly, since he usually pulls from familiar pop culture that people have probably seen with their own eyes.
Russian strategy of stretching out enemy lines, isolate forces, encircling and cut off supplies have a deep roots in strategy of ancient nomads. Nomads back in a days didn’t had any swords or armor, but they had a horse and bow, so they were just shooting and running until enemy formations are break and they start to reaching out for engage. Divide and conquer were never just a words.
Hey Echo,how bout the genuis that recovered the fumble and ran the wrong way giving the other team a saftey.ha ha.now that's a kick in the Conan's.
Jocko, we all bust each other's chops. If my friends/family don't take every chance to give me a hard time, I will double my efforts towards them for missing the opportunity 😁😁
I always wanna ask just imagine but then I think about what we our brave comrades did and then ask…imagine the horror.
Echo trying to relate Stalingrad to training day was way too large of a stretch. Like, bro what the hell are you talking about?
You do an amazing job
Outfuckingstanding
Good work Jocko!
As a life long canadian I understand the value, beauty and brutality of the cold winter and life of survival.
Winter did lots of the killing 3 million Germans went in Russia 1.5 died from the cold
Stalingrod?