I just scheduled a fitment with Jason to dial in my daily driver and put together a more informed parts list for the gravel bike I want to build. 50% healthcare expense 50% pre-purchase insurance.
I used to hate your videos, but then I loved them. Even the old ones. Great to see over time how your art quality has become some of the best in the bike genre.
It is always great to go to a bike fitter like Jason who has a doctorate in physical therapy. Truly understands body mechanics and the relationship to a bike plus, all of his top finishes in races really helps him to understand what is needed in a high-quality bike.
My wife is a pelvic floor physical therapist. Every time I show her a bike fitter on youtube she usually isn't too impressed (sorry to all the bike fitters out there, maybe it's just the youtube factor?). It's not that there isn't a value in what bike fitters do, it's that people tend to chase physical issues down through bike componentry rather than physical rehabilitation. She helped me get comfortable on my fixed gear for 100 mile rides and I'd guess 20% was saddle position, 80% was strengthening my core and stretching off the bike. Your perfect bike fit is going straight out the window once you get tired and lazy with your form, usually from not engaging your core to support your extremities. You could have a perfect reach and bars exactly shoulder width but the moment you stop holding yourself up by your core and rely entirely on your arms...boom: sore wrists neck and shoulders, probably low back too. Also she's like "WTF??" when they put the points on the screen to measure angles. Those should be dots stuck to your body and located precisely by the person measuring by poking around your body feeling for the bone locations. Just putting a point "on your hip" or "on your knee" on the screen is a general proximation and not accurate at all. If I'm paying good money for an angle measurement with a decimal point, I want my hip socket located correctly. I probably sound like I'm coming down hard on bike fits, I think they are valuable, but only a piece of the puzzle and not as significant beyond your general sizing on the bike as people give them credit for - especially if you aren't a sponsored pro weighing your meals and hooking up for blood transfusions.
Yeah, measuring angles is pretty much useless. Not only it's incredibly difficult to get a reliable result (2 bike fitters trying to achieve the same angles will most likely get different results), but mainly they're made from some averages from a random study or something. What if you're more flexible then the average? What if you're less flexible? What if your hamstrings are shorter/longer, so your saddle can be lower/higher then what the angles would suggest? All of that the system doesn't take into consideration
I have read articles on bike fit and watched videos over the last 10 yrs and every "expert" has their particular ideal fit. Like this guy was saying, everyone is different physically, so in my opinion, there's no one size fit. I spent nearly 5 yrs fine tuning my road bike fit by making adjustments according to different bike fitters' suggestions. Even though I didn't have any major discomforts, I did notice what seemed to be the best fit for myself, I felt better after a ride. I think the biggest mistake some riders make is making large adjustments or making adjustments too quickly between rides. I followed James of Bike Fit Tuesdays from Cade Media for several years and made some adjustments accordingly. I haven't had to change anything since in over 3 yrs.
Jason/Endurance saved my lower back. My saddle heights were all a full inch too high and I was getting debilitating pain every ride, thought I had a slipped disc, went to my doc, doc sent me to Jason, spent an hour getting fitted and w/ new measurements for saddle height, all pain was gone in a week. It should be noted too that he's also a miracle-worker when it comes to post-shoulder surgery PT.
indeed, getting your _current bike_ to fit better may well _obviate_ the need to buy a new bike -- comfort, efficiency & lower risk of injuries are key benefits
Thought I might need a new bike as I’m starting to get old and was having problems with my drop bars. Switched the bike to flat bars that I had laying around, dug a different stem out of a box, and now the bike is fine. I’ll I had to buy was a pair of brake levers and shifters.
Jason is a good guy! I went to him when I was experiencing leg and hip pain as my ride lengths increased. In addition to the bike fitting he's also a physical therapist. Bike fit isn't always about getting the best efficiency, sometimes it can actually eliminate certain types of pain. Riding more efficently is just a collateral benefit!
I think watching Neil Stanbury videos, maybe bike fit james and definitely reading Steve Hogg's blog and articles will get you close enough, if you're trying to save money
Also "Road Cycling Academy" YT videos. I've made several beneficial adjustments based on such _public domain_ advice. A "real" bike fit _might_ help even more but ¯\(°_o)/¯
Stupid question: Why BB to seat? Why not pedal to seat? Crank lengths vary, as do pedal stack heights. I've always put the crank in the 5:30 position and measures from pedal top to seat and it works well across my fleet that contains 165-175mm cranks and a wide variety of jalopy pedals.
I had my bike fit done at Endurance a few years back. I've been so much more comfortable since. It has helped with my ability to do longer rides and even helped me understand what to look for when buying new bikes. Worth the money in the long run for sure.
The way the fitter is measuring reach doesnt take into account the handlebar reach, handlebar width, shifters, or shifter position which can change a bikes total reach by a significant margin, upwards of 100mm in some situations. if you are keeping the same bar and shifters across multiple bikes then saddle to stem is an easy way to check but it misses a few very key components on the bike.
If you’re having issue with fit get a bike fit, if you’re not having issue you don’t really need one. But, the bike fit a got (I was having issues with neck pain) wasn’t that expensive and I learned a ton and have used that knowledge all the time for the last decade, so totally worth it.
Honestly, it's probably doable for most people who care to have one. I'm only buying one bike to last me many years of commuting/errands/leisure activity, so it's not like a fit is much of a recurring cost. That said, I think most of us can get close enough with manufacturer guidelines and online instruction to set the saddle height that a professional fit isn't necessary for people riding less than 10-12 hrs per week. Maybe even more.
I dont think so. If you can afford to spend thousands on a new bike you should absolutely spend an extra few hundred to make sur you're getting the right one, it will make your experience so much better and truly enjoyable.
I’d like to see the numbers that you were provided and then you utilizing a tool like Bike insights to then look and see if there are any stock bikes that fit this custom geometry I think that would be very useful for those who want a bike fit but maybe can’t afford a custom bike but it shows the practical value of having a fit
You would likely need to be an outlier on sizing to not be able to get an optimal fit on an off the shelf frame. Especially in Dustin's case where he rides a 56cm frame which is one of the most common frame sizes for men in the 5'9" to 6' range
@02WRXrally your wife's comment should be pinned to every bike fit video. A bike fit is a snapshot of a moment in time. Your body changes with fitness. A friend who races advocates for two fits,roughly beginning,and mid season. At the least saddle may need to be raised as legs become more flexable. My personal opinion is a fit puts you in a reasonable window. It is not set in stone. If you have a good sense about how your body relates to its position on the bike plus a few videos from the few reputable fitters on YT then it may be a DIY operation. Other than that, I'd look for a sports oriented PT with a good amount of bike fitting experience.
@everythinghasbeendone Last month I set a goal to race century. As a mountain biker, I couldn’t settle on a road bike so I am on my journey to find my prefect gravel bike. I booked a fitting for later this month, and came across your channel. Pure gold! Thank you for everything you do! This another incredible example of a video couldn’t be more fitting to me!
For road and gravel fits make sense, maybe an XC MTB but for trail and enduro MTBs a fit makes no sense because you're standing and moving around a lot, and there's a lot of personal preference on reach, stack height and HTA/STA. I don't think most people would benefit from a custom frame, only people who are either outliers on size or want very specific geo numbers not available on off the shelf frames. Most people should be able to get their contact points fitted optimally as long as they're on the correct frame size for them
I see fitters measuring seat height from the center of the bottom bracket. This makes no sense to me as crank lengths vary. The measurement should be to the pedal.
I feel like fits are worth it if you have issues that you aren't able to resolve or are looking to make the most out of your distance riding. I just had a fit with Jason a few days ago and it was definitely worth it since I found the points of my pain on rides over 30 miles and learned I was a very tippy toe heavy peddler due to some mobility issues Jason identified during the fit.
A bike fitter near me charges $150 and you get 2 hours with them to dial in your setup. Great value and details translates to other bikes (as you said). Some services are even covered by insurance as it’s considered physical therapy. Lots of haters in these comments. Maybe they would be happier if their bike fit.
It’s great that SportRx are making cycling glasses with prescription lenses. But what about us old farts who just need bifocals? I need to see that tiny screen on my Garmin! 😭
That's definitely something we can craft for you! We can customize a line, or no-line (progressive) bifocal with your preferred ADD strength in a multitude of frame shapes & styles🤙
What are your thoughts on Bike Fits?
most of this video is advertisements and the overall message is 'spend more money on cycling' lol no thanks
I just scheduled a fitment with Jason to dial in my daily driver and put together a more informed parts list for the gravel bike I want to build. 50% healthcare expense 50% pre-purchase insurance.
Much needed like a saddle on your bike.
Trying to find a good fitter might be the hardest thing to do in life. The quality of fitters is all over the road.
huge regret. appearantly my bike is too small and too large at the same time and I have to buy another one. ignorance is a bliss
I used to hate your videos, but then I loved them. Even the old ones. Great to see over time how your art quality has become some of the best in the bike genre.
It is always great to go to a bike fitter like Jason who has a doctorate in physical therapy. Truly understands body mechanics and the relationship to a bike plus, all of his top finishes in races really helps him to understand what is needed in a high-quality bike.
My wife is a pelvic floor physical therapist. Every time I show her a bike fitter on youtube she usually isn't too impressed (sorry to all the bike fitters out there, maybe it's just the youtube factor?). It's not that there isn't a value in what bike fitters do, it's that people tend to chase physical issues down through bike componentry rather than physical rehabilitation. She helped me get comfortable on my fixed gear for 100 mile rides and I'd guess 20% was saddle position, 80% was strengthening my core and stretching off the bike. Your perfect bike fit is going straight out the window once you get tired and lazy with your form, usually from not engaging your core to support your extremities. You could have a perfect reach and bars exactly shoulder width but the moment you stop holding yourself up by your core and rely entirely on your arms...boom: sore wrists neck and shoulders, probably low back too.
Also she's like "WTF??" when they put the points on the screen to measure angles. Those should be dots stuck to your body and located precisely by the person measuring by poking around your body feeling for the bone locations. Just putting a point "on your hip" or "on your knee" on the screen is a general proximation and not accurate at all. If I'm paying good money for an angle measurement with a decimal point, I want my hip socket located correctly.
I probably sound like I'm coming down hard on bike fits, I think they are valuable, but only a piece of the puzzle and not as significant beyond your general sizing on the bike as people give them credit for - especially if you aren't a sponsored pro weighing your meals and hooking up for blood transfusions.
bro came in with knowledge
Yeah. Shit. This is good to know. 🎉
Yeah agree saddle positioning the main thing I mess with.
Yeah, measuring angles is pretty much useless. Not only it's incredibly difficult to get a reliable result (2 bike fitters trying to achieve the same angles will most likely get different results), but mainly they're made from some averages from a random study or something. What if you're more flexible then the average? What if you're less flexible? What if your hamstrings are shorter/longer, so your saddle can be lower/higher then what the angles would suggest? All of that the system doesn't take into consideration
The core strength thing is so true. I feel better on the bike when doing it daily. I just lack discipline :(
I have read articles on bike fit and watched videos over the last 10 yrs and every "expert" has their particular ideal fit. Like this guy was saying, everyone is different physically, so in my opinion, there's no one size fit. I spent nearly 5 yrs fine tuning my road bike fit by making adjustments according to different bike fitters' suggestions. Even though I didn't have any major discomforts, I did notice what seemed to be the best fit for myself, I felt better after a ride.
I think the biggest mistake some riders make is making large adjustments or making adjustments too quickly between rides. I followed James of Bike Fit Tuesdays from Cade Media for several years and made some adjustments accordingly. I haven't had to change anything since in over 3 yrs.
Jason/Endurance saved my lower back. My saddle heights were all a full inch too high and I was getting debilitating pain every ride, thought I had a slipped disc, went to my doc, doc sent me to Jason, spent an hour getting fitted and w/ new measurements for saddle height, all pain was gone in a week. It should be noted too that he's also a miracle-worker when it comes to post-shoulder surgery PT.
indeed, getting your _current bike_ to fit better may well _obviate_ the need to buy a new bike -- comfort, efficiency & lower risk of injuries are key benefits
Thought I might need a new bike as I’m starting to get old and was having problems with my drop bars. Switched the bike to flat bars that I had laying around, dug a different stem out of a box, and now the bike is fine. I’ll I had to buy was a pair of brake levers and shifters.
Jason is a good guy! I went to him when I was experiencing leg and hip pain as my ride lengths increased. In addition to the bike fitting he's also a physical therapist. Bike fit isn't always about getting the best efficiency, sometimes it can actually eliminate certain types of pain. Riding more efficently is just a collateral benefit!
I think watching Neil Stanbury videos, maybe bike fit james and definitely reading Steve Hogg's blog and articles will get you close enough, if you're trying to save money
Also "Road Cycling Academy" YT videos. I've made several beneficial adjustments based on such _public domain_ advice. A "real" bike fit _might_ help even more but ¯\(°_o)/¯
@@malcontent_1Neill Stanbury is the fitter with RCA.
@@RyonBeachner ahhh, okay. I never knew his name (obviously).
Stupid question: Why BB to seat? Why not pedal to seat? Crank lengths vary, as do pedal stack heights. I've always put the crank in the 5:30 position and measures from pedal top to seat and it works well across my fleet that contains 165-175mm cranks and a wide variety of jalopy pedals.
I had my bike fit done at Endurance a few years back. I've been so much more comfortable since. It has helped with my ability to do longer rides and even helped me understand what to look for when buying new bikes. Worth the money in the long run for sure.
The "It's called gravel!" n the background 😂💀
I've been riding bikes for thirty-five years and I'm still futzing around with my saddle height and my reach. It's a journey, Dustin.
The body also changes a lot in three decades. I don't have the same flexibility as 30 years ago.
Had one done and it’s made all my bike buying problems much better once I set them all up the same!
Cyborg monocle is my new favourite phrase 😂 🙌🙌🙌
Bike fit is the best improvement I did for my bike riding, especially for my gravel and road bikes. I'm a beliver.
The way the fitter is measuring reach doesnt take into account the handlebar reach, handlebar width, shifters, or shifter position which can change a bikes total reach by a significant margin, upwards of 100mm in some situations. if you are keeping the same bar and shifters across multiple bikes then saddle to stem is an easy way to check but it misses a few very key components on the bike.
If you’re having issue with fit get a bike fit, if you’re not having issue you don’t really need one. But, the bike fit a got (I was having issues with neck pain) wasn’t that expensive and I learned a ton and have used that knowledge all the time for the last decade, so totally worth it.
The pink Oakleys are sick! You should get a custom bike to match....
Bike fits are a privilege of the bourgeoisie.
Honestly, it's probably doable for most people who care to have one. I'm only buying one bike to last me many years of commuting/errands/leisure activity, so it's not like a fit is much of a recurring cost. That said, I think most of us can get close enough with manufacturer guidelines and online instruction to set the saddle height that a professional fit isn't necessary for people riding less than 10-12 hrs per week. Maybe even more.
So is riding a bike for fun or fitness rather than transportation.
yeah, ever since they started making all tape measures out of pure gold it's really been a struggle
Not really, if you are the N+1 category bike person then it is vital to do this.
I dont think so. If you can afford to spend thousands on a new bike you should absolutely spend an extra few hundred to make sur you're getting the right one, it will make your experience so much better and truly enjoyable.
I’d like to see the numbers that you were provided and then you utilizing a tool like Bike insights to then look and see if there are any stock bikes that fit this custom geometry I think that would be very useful for those who want a bike fit but maybe can’t afford a custom bike but it shows the practical value of having a fit
You would likely need to be an outlier on sizing to not be able to get an optimal fit on an off the shelf frame. Especially in Dustin's case where he rides a 56cm frame which is one of the most common frame sizes for men in the 5'9" to 6' range
Just got fitted last week by Jason! Totally recommend!
The super troopers reference in the beginning 😂
Wow!
Very informative and refreshing, since I’ve been watching your channel I’m seriously looking into a gravel bike
Thank you
This makes my day!
My magic number is always the effective top tube length. The next most important number for me is the BB drop.
Love the Farva reference 😂
Well, I‘ll get my first bike fitting tomorrow, so let‘s hope my bike wil get s bit more comfortable 🤞🏽
Ughhhh! “Height” has no “h” at the end.
Endurance is great for bike fits.
Would like to see fit for MTB. You can see fits for road and gravel all over the youtube, but not so much for flat bars MTB rig.
Love the SRAM AXS shifting, but the levers on the budget groupset were to "blocky" for my liking.
@02WRXrally your wife's comment should be pinned to every bike fit video. A bike fit is a snapshot of a moment in time. Your body changes with fitness. A friend who races advocates for two fits,roughly beginning,and mid season. At the least saddle may need to be raised as legs become more flexable. My personal opinion is a fit puts you in a reasonable window. It is not set in stone. If you have a good sense about how your body relates to its position on the bike plus a few videos from the few reputable fitters on YT then it may be a DIY operation. Other than that, I'd look for a sports oriented PT with a good amount of bike fitting experience.
It did abruptly end in an odd fashion. Perfect.
I’ll get a bike fit one of these days. Who wouldn’t want to go further faster more efficiently?! 👍👍
Saddle heighth?
that hit like fingernails on a chalkboard
@@malcontent_1 he says it several times. Does he thinks that’s how it’s pronounced? He needs to know. “Heighth”? How?
@@user-zo8ck6kg1n I don't know, but his consistency seems to point to a degree of (innocent?) ignorance. Either way it's painful.
@@user-zo8ck6kg1n ... for someone who _measures stuff_ for a living, it _almost_ feels like he's f*cking with us 🤔😏
@everythinghasbeendone Last month I set a goal to race century. As a mountain biker, I couldn’t settle on a road bike so I am on my journey to find my prefect gravel bike. I booked a fitting for later this month, and came across your channel. Pure gold! Thank you for everything you do! This another incredible example of a video couldn’t be more fitting to me!
Isn't reach the horizontal distance from the center of the bottom bracket to the top middle of the head tube?
That “liter of cola” quip was deep…..
I would like to see how he arrived at your ideal saddle setback.
For road and gravel fits make sense, maybe an XC MTB but for trail and enduro MTBs a fit makes no sense because you're standing and moving around a lot, and there's a lot of personal preference on reach, stack height and HTA/STA. I don't think most people would benefit from a custom frame, only people who are either outliers on size or want very specific geo numbers not available on off the shelf frames. Most people should be able to get their contact points fitted optimally as long as they're on the correct frame size for them
I see fitters measuring seat height from the center of the bottom bracket. This makes no sense to me as crank lengths vary. The measurement should be to the pedal.
SportRx is an absolute pain - 80% of their sunglasses are non-prescription but you can't easily filter them out
Hell ya brother
Lost me at "Saddle Heighth" lol
Always done it myself, it's not hard 😂
I feel like fits are worth it if you have issues that you aren't able to resolve or are looking to make the most out of your distance riding.
I just had a fit with Jason a few days ago and it was definitely worth it since I found the points of my pain on rides over 30 miles and learned I was a very tippy toe heavy peddler due to some mobility issues Jason identified during the fit.
If your bike fitter isn’t a physiotherapist of some sort, you’re probably only getting 60% of the way there, but that’s certainly better than nothing.
A bike fitter near me charges $150 and you get 2 hours with them to dial in your setup. Great value and details translates to other bikes (as you said). Some services are even covered by insurance as it’s considered physical therapy. Lots of haters in these comments. Maybe they would be happier if their bike fit.
Enjoying
The problem with fitting people on trainers is you’re not actually riding the bike
should save some money to do one...
It’s great that SportRx are making cycling glasses with prescription lenses. But what about us old farts who just need bifocals? I need to see that tiny screen on my Garmin! 😭
That's definitely something we can craft for you! We can customize a line, or no-line (progressive) bifocal with your preferred ADD strength in a multitude of frame shapes & styles🤙
@@sportrxeyewear that’s great to hear. I’ll be reaching to you soon! Thank you!
@@rug212 of course! Thank YOU!
Off topic. Quick question: "How do you protect your bikes at home. I have PTSD because someone stole mine and my girlfriends bike.. TYIA."
Singletrack MTB is a completely different animal
Bike fit hack... I was able to get a bike fit through my physical therapy and able to run it through my insurance making it much more affordable!
This is a brilliant move.
I bought another bike without watching...
Now what?!?
🤯
I won’t buy another bike don’t worry! My bike is fine 😊
Oh i am gonna buy so many bikes without watching this.
This is a very long advertisement
sorry I just bought 5 new bikes today before watching the video.
Clickbait thumbnail and almost half a video paid segment. Nice!
Dude! Your peaked cap is very annoying! Great info though! Thanks.
ahem Luft