carbon tubes? cork an end, use them for tall shots, have a bro build a nice board to hold the flight ultralight bikepacking/camping uh...water...uh...pipes carbon fiber shakuhachi baritone pan pipes mini digeridoos and or rain sticks
People do not realise how much of an OG DK is! Also probably one of the most consistent cycling youtubers to this day. Your channel deserves so many more followers by this point! Excited to see you're hitting 100k soon, well deserved!
I absolutely agree You have so much history in cycling including early fixed gear era that most people are unaware of. Your art is out of this world too! Always here to support your channel!
I have never binge watched a TH-cam channel before finding yours and now I can't watch others because they just don't keep my attention haha. You've just got a vibe and style that is so fresh. Thanks!
Thanks for the tour! If I was riding the Sports bike I'd constantly have the Viagra Boys song of the same name stuck in my head. I know this is off topic, and a few months old, but I found out the other day about Sukho's recovery progress, super stoked, can't wait to see him on a bike again eventually!
I feel like there is so much you could unpack and share here, even beyond the bikes. As a passionate cyclist from a skateboarding background myself, I bet you have a ton of cool skate paraphernalia on top of all of the cool biking stuff.
Dude, you just blew my mind. I had those shoes and I’ve been watching your videos only for a few months. I had no idea. Road with them for two years in Canada. 😲 You are the Fast Friday Guy?!? I had no idea how much you were in my life even 15 years ago! This made my day.
Dudeeeee Fast Friday!!! Cadence!!! I can’t believe it was you. You influenced my life so muchhhh. Here in Spain it obviously wasn’t has big as there but we made it happen copying you guys haha. Built a huge community that I’m still friends with. I found ur channel like a month ago and couldn’t believe I felt so connected with it. Now i understand why. Keep the amazing work. Always impressed by the amount of time u put on ir videos. Gracias!!
Awesome shop. Bikes gave me pure joy and freedom as a child and over half a century later I feel the same excitement about riding and all things bicycle. It’s good to be alive.
I just watched the full Fast Friday doc you mentioned. There’s something weirdly nostalgic about that time period for me. I have no connection to that community but the vibe reminds me so much of the punk/hardcore scene around that time and damn it hit different. Thanks for linking it.
Wow lots to unpack in this video. First of all you are a trooper making these last two videos back to back given the wind/ice/snow-storm we had here in Portland. Nice to finally see where most of your money came from. I did not know you were part of Cadence, saw that brand and wondered about it. As for bikes, I'd say the E-bikes are the ones that I'd most want to see a dedicated video about. It also seems like you have some videos to do about the fenders that you've mentioned that should be on your bikes. Could even custom paint a fender to match a pattern on a bike you have.
Dude, obviously owning that many bikes and the history each one has is impressive. However, I am so happy to see how far you have made it being an artist. This world doesn't particularly promote life as an artist, and you are almost a beacon for many of us who want to start being creative. This video made me really happy and it actually serves as inspiration to pursue a life similar to yours. Sending love from Colombia (L)
Impressive !!! This is the ONLY channel that I don't skip sponsors on. I actually disable "sponsor block". Just because the way you put it .... let's just say it's unique !
Honestly, I could see a "memory lane" playlist of videos telling the story of all the bits in your studios that you find interesting... Videos don't need to be 14 min long... You clearly have some good one in there... Just do them all!
I'd like to see a deep dive on either the Colossi track bike with those corn cob looking grips and whatever the stories are, or the Daccordi bike you used to courier with because that's a side of you the channel doesn't have much of yet.
Great content creation during our snow/ice storm! I love the peak behind the scenes and think you should start with the bike you ride the most for the deep dive.
Dude those t toe, dvs would kill in sales right now. I work for a major retailer and have always been very curious on your background and style, you’ve brought it up videos. But I would love a breakdown on you!
The Ritchey paint sample tubes might be cool to use as table legs. Like for a coffee table or something smaller since they don't look super long. Also, the old headtube as a doorhandle is rad. Would be great for like a bike themed brewery or something.
that is a good idea i’m a woodworker by profession. i’d love to get ahold of some tubes and make it happen. also could be door handles and so much more.
DK you need a maker episode(series) with the head tube finding a door, Ritchey paint tubes used as drawer handles or fastening fender mounts on the Stinner? Could be fresh, wintertime frustration. Sound fun?
Ritchie color sample tubes...how about a high back chair and use the tubes as the backrest/vertical rungs? A bike styled game of thrones chair. Love the videos, keep doing you!
I had to stop the video, and go watch the "Fast Friday" video. That's an awesome video man! Ya know, I have no idea how we're supposed to pick a bike, for you to deep dive on, but, being someone, who didn't even know there was such a thing as "bike messengers" 9 months ago, I'd like to see a deep dive on your messenger bike. I'd also like to hear some stories of your time doing that. Thanks for the video DK! They're always a joy to watch!
Love that you’ve combined my obsession with bikes, art, and horticulture in one studio. And my ADHD cannot recommend where to start. Too many shiny things.
You sir are insanely powerful creative force! Thanks for the tour. I'd like to hear the stories about your messenger bike and perhaps one day also see you build a bike with that Wilier Jena frame set you have by the stairs.
i’ve been watching you’re channel a long time. i’ve never seen a great deal of those bikes. Deep dive… dunno. but i will watch any of them. also, dang id love to just hang out in that studio and shop. so much cool!
Shoutout to DVS, my favorite shoe brand of all time. My buddy worked in a shoe store in LA that one of the founders of DVS when they were starting out would go into to copy features/elements of shoes from the big brands and he would float my buddy free shoes for helping him out.
Nice random skate stuff and Eames lounger in the background, definitely some fine workspaces 👌. That Vision water bottle has got to be a rare specimen. Remember the first Vision Street Wear shoes that would dye your feet and socks whatever color that the suede was ha ha? First shoe that I can remember with an ollie pad. Cheers from Port Angeles Washington, great video man.
Too much good stuff. Just like how you can't decide what bike to feature in a video, I can't think of just one thing to comment on - it's all awesome. I love how each thing (not just the bike) has a story and we all love how you tell stories, so 🤷♂️
I'm voting for a video on the old bike from Mash that you have the headtube of. Or the old Raleigh that you cut up. And if you're not willing to do a video on bikes you've cut to pieces then I guess the Stinner would be cool too.
Hey Dustin, thanks for the tour I really enjoyed it- very inspiring! I’d love to hear more about your ex-messenger bike and your titanium bike. Cheers from Melbourne OZ, Steve 🍻
I get the feeling you could pick ANY of your bikes for the deep-dive, and it'd still be super interesting. The two best things I took away from this excellent video are that 1) My collection of bicycles is NOT in fact, too large. 2) I really need to organize my stuff a lot better, ''cause your spaces are all really tidy. Ok, how 'bout the black/white Stinner? You seem to ride it the most these days, and I thought you couldn't paint Titanium, and yet.........that crossing pattern of yours is somehow calming and I wish I could duplicate it on my Priority 600. BTW, why haven't you added a Pinion/Gates belt drive bike yet? What gives?
From what's shown, n + 1 = 19 for Dustin, if my count is accurate 😅 Seriously, it's obvious Dustin is very passionate with his art and cycling. He is a great example of what could happen when you follow your heart and do what you love.
Is it weird that your entire space gives me super strong Goonies vibes? I kinda think it makes sense, no?! Oh yeah, talk about that track bike, Daccordi, Stinner, and the indoor road bike!
Would love a video series where you build your own bike learn how to weld. I think there are classes in PDX that take you through the entire process. Could be good collaboration opportunity! 🎉
Hey Duder! Great video. Always been curious about your set-up. The bikes I would appreciate seeing more about are your unsung heroes, the purple canyon, the lower spec'd mtb's, and the franken-bikes. ......and maybe a skateboard themed video. Stay golden ponyboy.
Whoa! Ive seen every bike from your collection at some point. The mystery trainer bike should be the Specialized Tarmac you used before you had the Wilier. What happened to the Ritchey Ascend and your deeply loved Ritchey steel road bike? If you find it some day, thats my vote for the deep dive video. True fan especially of the "early Dustin" here. When you got the Diverge back them I jumped on board.❤
Very curious to hear about your Colossi. Cool bikes and a very cool owner/builder. I had Jan Kole make me a custom Colossi frame with Ritchey Break-away couplers. Love it!
A send help skateboard? Wow haven’t seen that brand in a while! Cool to see you had a colab with DVS, I watched “skate more” over and over when I was a wee lad
Didn't think you kept all those kind of review bikes, like the Canyon grizzl. Thought you would record the videos about it and then return to "the Pros closet" or wichever sponsor that sent them to you. Nice to see them all again, and to know that you actually use many.
@@EverythingsBeenDone comparing those two vs the Cutthroat would also be cool too since it's closer to the Epic in some ways than a regular gravel bike
You could probably use two old Star nuts inside that frame for the handle without welding anything. Attach it to a board at those angles then attach the board to the door.
Make a weird geometric chandelier out of those Ritchey tubes. You might look at SKS brand fenders, they make some pretty nice one that don't require lugs to screw onto
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Bought a I’m not a mechanic hoodie instead. PDX based, maybe bicycle delivery?!
carbon tubes?
cork an end, use them for tall shots, have a bro build a nice board to hold the flight
ultralight bikepacking/camping uh...water...uh...pipes
carbon fiber shakuhachi
baritone pan pipes
mini digeridoos and or rain sticks
Your video is being recommended along side this guy. He definitely could be your brother.
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All the bikes. 10 hour video breakdown
As long as it takes, I will watch it
livestream it! do it!😂
Yes yes yes. As long as it takes. AND the cadence chest of legends.
Upvote. Every bike.
I am ready for this 🍿🍺
People do not realise how much of an OG DK is!
Also probably one of the most consistent cycling youtubers to this day.
Your channel deserves so many more followers by this point! Excited to see you're hitting 100k soon, well deserved!
Thank you Ben! 🤜❤️🤛
I absolutely agree
You have so much history in cycling including early fixed gear era that most people are unaware of. Your art is out of this world too! Always here to support your channel!
Stella Artois should just recruit DK as The Most Interesting Man in the World.
Finally we got a good old fashioned MTV Cribs episode
With your Ritchey pipes, cut some of them down and make a bike themed wind chime set. They're whimsical, you know ?
Ditto!!😂
was literally gonna suggest it but decided to check cuz it seemed obvious. i second this suggestion~
That’s my vote too
I have never binge watched a TH-cam channel before finding yours and now I can't watch others because they just don't keep my attention haha. You've just got a vibe and style that is so fresh. Thanks!
Player!
This honestly makes my day. Thank you for the note. 🤜❤️🤛
Man this was awesome! Much respect for the amount effort and creativity that went into your body of work/space! Thanks for sharing, DK!
Thanks for the tour! If I was riding the Sports bike I'd constantly have the Viagra Boys song of the same name stuck in my head.
I know this is off topic, and a few months old, but I found out the other day about Sukho's recovery progress, super stoked, can't wait to see him on a bike again eventually!
Shrimptech sponsor coming up!
The paint sample tubes- make a drying rack for gloves and stuff. Like a ladder.
I feel like there is so much you could unpack and share here, even beyond the bikes. As a passionate cyclist from a skateboarding background myself, I bet you have a ton of cool skate paraphernalia on top of all of the cool biking stuff.
Dude, you just blew my mind. I had those shoes and I’ve been watching your videos only for a few months. I had no idea. Road with them for two years in Canada. 😲
You are the Fast Friday Guy?!? I had no idea how much you were in my life even 15 years ago! This made my day.
Why choose? I want a video about every bike and what makes it special to you! Make a series out of it.
Dudeeeee
Fast Friday!!! Cadence!!!
I can’t believe it was you.
You influenced my life so muchhhh.
Here in Spain it obviously wasn’t has big as there but we made it happen copying you guys haha.
Built a huge community that I’m still friends with.
I found ur channel like a month ago and couldn’t believe I felt so connected with it.
Now i understand why.
Keep the amazing work. Always impressed by the amount of time u put on ir videos.
Gracias!!
Very cool to know you took this out there man. Saludos desde Oregon!
Awesome shop. Bikes gave me pure joy and freedom as a child and over half a century later I feel the same excitement about riding and all things bicycle. It’s good to be alive.
I need more of your Perspective in my life!
I just watched the full Fast Friday doc you mentioned. There’s something weirdly nostalgic about that time period for me. I have no connection to that community but the vibe reminds me so much of the punk/hardcore scene around that time and damn it hit different. Thanks for linking it.
Wow lots to unpack in this video.
First of all you are a trooper making these last two videos back to back given the wind/ice/snow-storm we had here in Portland.
Nice to finally see where most of your money came from. I did not know you were part of Cadence, saw that brand and wondered about it.
As for bikes, I'd say the E-bikes are the ones that I'd most want to see a dedicated video about.
It also seems like you have some videos to do about the fenders that you've mentioned that should be on your bikes. Could even custom paint a fender to match a pattern on a bike you have.
Dude, obviously owning that many bikes and the history each one has is impressive. However, I am so happy to see how far you have made it being an artist. This world doesn't particularly promote life as an artist, and you are almost a beacon for many of us who want to start being creative. This video made me really happy and it actually serves as inspiration to pursue a life similar to yours. Sending love from Colombia (L)
That white Wilier is my vote. Dope collaboration on a dope bike. 👌
Impressive !!! This is the ONLY channel that I don't skip sponsors on. I actually disable "sponsor block". Just because the way you put it .... let's just say it's unique !
Thanks for the great tour. Those Ritchey samples are very cool. Maybe you could build a rope ladder with them. It could be a fun way to display them.
Dude, I wish I had a fraction of your charisma and personality.
codak29: You seem magnetically charming, so don’t count yourself out.
creators block nightmare, i could've watched a 30 minute piece about every single one of the bikes ✨ love u DK
Honestly, I could see a "memory lane" playlist of videos telling the story of all the bits in your studios that you find interesting... Videos don't need to be 14 min long... You clearly have some good one in there... Just do them all!
This was super fun to watch! My inner nerd is foaming lol... I didn't realize how involved you've been in the shoe industry over the years!
I'd like to see a deep dive on either the Colossi track bike with those corn cob looking grips and whatever the stories are, or the Daccordi bike you used to courier with because that's a side of you the channel doesn't have much of yet.
You are so right.
I need to talk about more about the messenger days.
Please do. I was a courier in the late 90's for like a year. It would make me nostalgic. @@EverythingsBeenDone
+ 1 on the messenger bike and times
DK you're living my dream life bud
My man!
Really like your editing skills and ideas. To quote another fellow cycling youtuber "It's not hoarding, if it's organized".
Stinner gets first vote, track bike second. Unless you still have the mini cargo bike, in which case those 2 are relegated!
I need another mini cargo(truck bike) in my life.
Great content creation during our snow/ice storm! I love the peak behind the scenes and think you should start with the bike you ride the most for the deep dive.
Dude those t toe, dvs would kill in sales right now. I work for a major retailer and have always been very curious on your background and style, you’ve brought it up videos. But I would love a breakdown on you!
Ritchey tubes: make a heated towel rack. What could go wrong? Bike: something fast gravel. Doing my first gravel race and need some inspiration!
The Ritchey paint sample tubes might be cool to use as table legs. Like for a coffee table or something smaller since they don't look super long. Also, the old headtube as a doorhandle is rad. Would be great for like a bike themed brewery or something.
that is a good idea i’m a woodworker by profession. i’d love to get ahold of some tubes and make it happen. also could be door handles and so much more.
@@charlesholland6851drawer pulls
You have lots of stuff! But all WELL organized!! Thanks for sharing the tour of your bat cave Dustin ! Fun stuff
DK you need a maker episode(series) with the head tube finding a door, Ritchey paint tubes used as drawer handles or fastening fender mounts on the Stinner? Could be fresh, wintertime frustration. Sound fun?
Ritchie color sample tubes...how about a high back chair and use the tubes as the backrest/vertical rungs? A bike styled game of thrones chair.
Love the videos, keep doing you!
Great vid and I also super dig Buycycle so thanks for that.
Loving your two story shed + bike parking. Really inspiring for someone who loves architecture, design and BUYKEZ!! Cheers
Also you should get some quick SK gravel fenders that you can slap on anything! I have a bike that doesnt have fender mounts and it works gr8!
Cool tour and so many sweet bikes all put together in a real way like i was following you around your space . 😁👍
Idea for the Ritchey tubes: Glue them together side by side, so they're in a square/rectangular orientation, and hang them on the wall like a picture!
Really cool to see a video on that Specialized Epic....put drop bars on it.
Drawers in the stairs is genius!!!
literally the Tom Sachs of bikes. you are still underappreciated - can't believe adidas man
I had to stop the video, and go watch the "Fast Friday" video. That's an awesome video man! Ya know, I have no idea how we're supposed to pick a bike, for you to deep dive on, but, being someone, who didn't even know there was such a thing as "bike messengers" 9 months ago, I'd like to see a deep dive on your messenger bike. I'd also like to hear some stories of your time doing that.
Thanks for the video DK! They're always a joy to watch!
This was awesome to see, gives me a lot of inspiration for a backyard space for bike work and other shenanigans....
Hits all the right notes, i like this guy
All those bikes and not a single fat bike?! 😂 Thanks for the tour. I think the Stinner deserves a deep dive.
Love that you’ve combined my obsession with bikes, art, and horticulture in one studio.
And my ADHD cannot recommend where to start. Too many shiny things.
I randomly found this channel about 6 mo ago... it always keeps me watching and laughing. Dope to see the office! Thanks
Awesome! Thank you!
My husband won't let me buy another bike. I just have 10. I need a bike room like yours.
I vote for you to get more bikes AND a bike shed ;)
Love this. You are what is good about the bicycle community
You sir are insanely powerful creative force! Thanks for the tour. I'd like to hear the stories about your messenger bike and perhaps one day also see you build a bike with that Wilier Jena frame set you have by the stairs.
Staircase Drawers make me happy papi! Great EBD crib vibes dude!
Trainer bike deep dive!
Real talk, didn’t want this video to end! Love the DKlein aesthetic!
i’ve been watching you’re channel a long time. i’ve never seen a great deal of those bikes. Deep dive… dunno. but i will watch any of them. also, dang id love to just hang out in that studio and shop. so much cool!
Shoutout to DVS, my favorite shoe brand of all time. My buddy worked in a shoe store in LA that one of the founders of DVS when they were starting out would go into to copy features/elements of shoes from the big brands and he would float my buddy free shoes for helping him out.
Nice random skate stuff and Eames lounger in the background, definitely some fine workspaces 👌. That Vision water bottle has got to be a rare specimen. Remember the first Vision Street Wear shoes that would dye your feet and socks whatever color that the suede was ha ha? First shoe that I can remember with an ollie pad. Cheers from Port Angeles Washington, great video man.
The DV9 is pretty rad. Would love to see even more of it. It’s just something about those hardtails 🫠
One video a week/month. Story time with Dustin and said bike :) would be so rad!
oh, definitely provide us a review on that N+1 bike that you are about to get! Really want to see a deep dive on that one!
Too much good stuff. Just like how you can't decide what bike to feature in a video, I can't think of just one thing to comment on - it's all awesome. I love how each thing (not just the bike) has a story and we all love how you tell stories, so 🤷♂️
I have both shed and bike collection envy. What a set up!
Maybe make a small portable set of rollers out of the Ritchey color sample tubes... just a idea. And video on all the bikes of course!!!
I'm voting for a video on the old bike from Mash that you have the headtube of. Or the old Raleigh that you cut up. And if you're not willing to do a video on bikes you've cut to pieces then I guess the Stinner would be cool too.
I‘m speachless, what an amazing bikepark… It‘s Like bikers heaven! 😉
A-plus for your creativity. Bicycle museum in the future?
Thank you for such a nice tour and showing an extension of your character in your place :) Still looking for those Ritchey Collab Stems
Thanks for watching!
Hey Dustin, thanks for the tour I really enjoyed it- very inspiring!
I’d love to hear more about your ex-messenger bike and your titanium bike.
Cheers from Melbourne OZ,
Steve 🍻
What a cool compound!
Perhaps a video about how you choose what bike to ride when? Do you feel guilty not riding certain bikes?
Deep dive the Stinner! Hands down!!🙌🏼 you saved my favorite bike for last in this video😎
I can't believe you have a pair of one of my favourite skate shoes on... ❤
I keep reading in the comments about a Stinner in your stable. Excited to see and learn about it!
Such great work. Thanks for Le Tour of your studio. Much inspiration. Art/design/culture/cycling … So good 🤘🤩🤘
Fantastic watch, really enjoyed it 🙂
What about the white cargo bike with the fixed basket and the tiny front wheel?!?! I love that one!!
I get the feeling you could pick ANY of your bikes for the deep-dive, and it'd still be super interesting. The two best things I took away from this excellent video are that 1) My collection of bicycles is NOT in fact, too large. 2) I really need to organize my stuff a lot better, ''cause your spaces are all really tidy. Ok, how 'bout the black/white Stinner? You seem to ride it the most these days, and I thought you couldn't paint Titanium, and yet.........that crossing pattern of yours is somehow calming and I wish I could duplicate it on my Priority 600. BTW, why haven't you added a Pinion/Gates belt drive bike yet? What gives?
From what's shown, n + 1 = 19 for Dustin, if my count is accurate 😅 Seriously, it's obvious Dustin is very passionate with his art and cycling. He is a great example of what could happen when you follow your heart and do what you love.
🤜❤️🤛
Is it weird that your entire space gives me super strong Goonies vibes? I kinda think it makes sense, no?! Oh yeah, talk about that track bike, Daccordi, Stinner, and the indoor road bike!
Franticly digging up my goodies vhs.
Heads to thrift store to buy VHS player.
@@EverythingsBeenDoneit’s for rent on Apple TV and prime video lol
11:43 use star nuts inside the thing after cutting it to match up with a refrigerator.
Would love a video series where you build your own bike learn how to weld. I think there are classes in PDX that take you through the entire process. Could be good collaboration opportunity! 🎉
Hey Duder! Great video. Always been curious about your set-up. The bikes I would appreciate seeing more about are your unsung heroes, the purple canyon, the lower spec'd mtb's, and the franken-bikes. ......and maybe a skateboard themed video. Stay golden ponyboy.
So cool. You’re a legit artist. I have almost no artistic talent , so it’s like another world to me.
I am interested in your trainer rig
Loved it! Bike im most interested in is probably the bombtrack or the stinner
Whoa! Ive seen every bike from your collection at some point. The mystery trainer bike should be the Specialized Tarmac you used before you had the Wilier.
What happened to the Ritchey Ascend and your deeply loved Ritchey steel road bike?
If you find it some day, thats my vote for the deep dive video.
True fan especially of the "early Dustin" here. When you got the Diverge back them I jumped on board.❤
I definitely want to hear about your old school commuter and track bikes. Those things don't get enough credit man. Also the wrestling action figures.
Very curious to hear about your Colossi. Cool bikes and a very cool owner/builder. I had Jan Kole make me a custom Colossi frame with Ritchey Break-away couplers. Love it!
Awesome vid mate. Love to see deep dive on the Stinner
A send help skateboard? Wow haven’t seen that brand in a while! Cool to see you had a colab with DVS, I watched “skate more” over and over when I was a wee lad
Gotta vote for the scandium track bike!
“Sports Bicycle”… Brilliant!!!
Daccordi! Met you eons ago at a Mike Giant show at White Walls in SF and you had that bike. Let’s hear the stories!
Didn't think you kept all those kind of review bikes, like the Canyon grizzl. Thought you would record the videos about it and then return to "the Pros closet" or wichever sponsor that sent them to you. Nice to see them all again, and to know that you actually use many.
Deep dive on all!!
This video really hit home brotha. Love that.
A video how to Hand-Paint bikes and what to pay attention to there would be super cool.
A deep dive on the Cutthroat vs one of your Jenna would be cool. Maybe paint the Cutthroat orange with a white DCO design?
Your right.
I need to do a comparison bike video.
You once asked about one with DV9 and the epic as well. Great call.
@@EverythingsBeenDone comparing those two vs the Cutthroat would also be cool too since it's closer to the Epic in some ways than a regular gravel bike
The Wilier! Lots of cool rigs, but I keep looking at them as possible next gravel option.
You could probably use two old Star nuts inside that frame for the handle without welding anything. Attach it to a board at those angles then attach the board to the door.
For your head tube door handle try using star nuts in the frame tubes to bolt the handle on
Make a weird geometric chandelier out of those Ritchey tubes.
You might look at SKS brand fenders, they make some pretty nice one that don't require lugs to screw onto