Hey kahpyvara, can you imagine!! If Frank herbert was still alive today. Man! Oh man and see his reaction to the Two Part Dune films. Gosh. He would be seriously proud of his work to the core. And proud of denis villenueve the movie director.
Exactly what I was going to say. 🙌 Melbourne's Premier Andrew's is a prime example atm. Plus the cabal; hidden group of individuals too cowardous to show their faces, behind all of this.
William F. Nolan is good, but he isn't one of the titans. I would agree for Phillip K Dick, Aldous Huxley, and Bradbury. Clarke and Heinlein don't need my vote, they're already among the most respected. I would also like to throw in Octavia Butler and Ursula Le Guin. Lets get some ladies in here.
Perhaps my favorite part of this interview is that Gumbel seems to have actually read the books -- his citation of names, places, and their very distinct pronunciations. Seems to go beyond same old pre-interview show prep.
That is very true and I always loved the Gumbel brothers, especially Bryant. He was well read and made even short interviews interesting because he seemed genuinely interested and asked good questions
He comes around as the most chill guy ever, while also being wise and incredibly well-spoken. I wish he was still around. I'm sure he'd love Villeneuve's adaptation. Dune is such a timeless story, it feels like it was written yesterday, not almost 60 years ago.
Agree... i mean dune had put forward ideas 100 years before their time, talking about ai in the 60s, and genetic engineering, i mean the dragonfly ornothopter is still the best idea for a flying machine anyone has ever made, can go from helicopter to airplane in a second
No, he wouldn’t. Changing Liet-Kynes to a black woman in Oder to service the current year race and gender obsessions completely undercuts the character as written. He was an imperial gone native. They butchered him in the movie so that there was no reveal, no exploration of his evolution. It was POC/White people and terribly mishandled because everything must be dumbed down for The Message™️ and the ideology.
I’ve seen in twice now in IMAX! You fuckin feel it in your bones. Almost a religious experience. Dune 1&2 are absolutely two of my all time favorite movies. They are both masterpieces. 2 and even more so than 1.
Easily Dune, Star wars with all it's hype has no lore, it's all about sith vs jedi, nothing the middle. Star Trek is great but thanks to shitty writers it's now not moving anywhere. But Dune, man the first book alone has more depth to it than the whole sw universe. I also dig the Foundation by Asimov. Would love to see a series of that as well.
Extremely so, this is often the case with old interviews. I wonder if this is because only the good survive or simply they were more competent. Perhaps a bit of both.
Very quick and responsive back and forth, makes me admire Herbert for being able to respond as quickly in a context where you don't have a lot of time unfortunately and it makes me wish it had been a longer format, I felt like the intervier was very good at knowing where to interject and Brian able to condense. But again, can't help but think what we could have gotten out of this if it had been 20 or 40 minutes.
Readers of the book were rewarded so well by this version. Paul even expressed the distrust he had in himself during this movie. I wish Frank could have seen it.
@@jeevangopal482 why so? the movie loses some of the intricacies of the novel, but is a better film for it. i think some of the main themes are so well expressed, however, it amplifies the overall message to a degree i think Herbert would rejoice in. I think he would like the 2021 version a lot more than the Lynch version. i wish he could have seen it
@@paultrygstad4771 books = heavy political plots and elaborate well spoken characters and a ton of lsd. Latest movie = smoosh every celebrity imaginable and have them all quietly grumble. Sanitize everything questionable.
@@ZacharyBittner The movie is a completely different medium to the books. With the limited run time it has, it won't work to include every detail of the politics from the books and instead uses the audiovisual experience to tell the story. I think the movie did a great job at preserving the main themes and ideas of the book while making it just accessible enough to get new audiences interested in the series.
I can see Frank as a historian. Thankfully, he became successful as a speculative sociologist using novels as the vehicles of his ideas. He is terrific at articulating his insights. For instance, " Our government was founded on mistrust of government. We seem to have lost that mistrust of government." "Government is a shared illusion. When the myth dies the government disappears." We miss you Frank.
allow me to present you the symbolism in Dune: Paul is founder of Christian church. "paul" = little one. Kwisatz Haderach lies at the bottom of the bottomless pit. the angel of the abyss. Leto = stone. Bene = sons/daughters and stone; Gesserit = the Way. I am the Way the Truth and the Life. Rabban = master. He is also called "the beast" - Revelation 13:18. Dune is the Bible repackaged as sci-fi
@@criztu interesting point . Butt , i believe the author had NO "repackaging a bible" in mind when he crafted the novel . Human mind ofCourse , is always inclined to see analogies & references Mind is basically Memory
@@naneeleo823 I respect your beliefs. Kefitzat Haderech is straight up Kabbalah. I have presented only a few symbols in Herbert's Dune that fit precisely the Bible and Judaic traditions. Paul(little one) is the one and only begotten son of Leto(stone). Mithras, born of the rock. Paul first lives in a green, garden like, place caled Caladaan(kulud < kalada - everlasting happiness). Eden. Paul is banished to a land devoid of life, a desert, a wilderness. Temptation of Christ. Paul's mother is Jessica, who subdues others with her voice. the Witch, Zohar. Jessica rebelled from the program of Bene(offspring, stone) Gesserit(path). the character of Paul is basically Satan, Apollo(destroyer), Shiva the Destroyer/Creator. the Shai Hulud is the serpent of old, who was in Eden. Nachash. Serapis. Abrasax. So Paul achieves mastery over all sorts of satanic powers, to become God. This is in line with the teachings of the New Testament, where Jesus destroys the one who has the power of death.. the devil. I enjoy Dune's occult mysticism in the first book.
"I write science fiction for people who don't read science fiction" - This is like 100% truth for me. I generally don't like sci-fi or fantasy that much but Dune is the exception.
As a person and author, one aspect of Frank Herbert that fascinates me is that he seemed very enthusiastic about the idea of adapting his novel into film, and was not really concerned about what other authors may construe as the misinterpretation of their work. He apparently liked the 1984 Lynch film, despite its notorious wackiness (at least in my eyes), and it goes to show that Herbert wrote Dune in a metaphorical sense and with flexibility in how the story could be portrayed. For this same reason, I think he would have greatly enjoyed and respected Villeneuve's ongoing film saga.
read til the third book.. it got so slow and bogged down in religion and ... gave up reading any more of the dune series... thank goodness for the babylon 5 series....
@@hadeseye2297 i really enjoyed the first book... if you haven't yet see the short series made of the first and second books... years back ... better than the movie (much better!!) and truer to the books....
And Lynch delivered. We just got betrayed by Dino De Laurentiis and Raffaella who meddled way too much with Lynch and were the ones to be blamed for the stupid decisions to cut this epic down to a mere 2 hour movie and not even letting Lynch have his Directors Cut. Make no Mistake, Lynch shot an absolute Epic that really does the book justice. However we never got to see the Epic he REALLY shot. You get a glimpse at it with the theatrical cut and a bigger glimpse with the stupid TV cut. We need an actual Lynch Directors Cut that runs well over 3 ½ hours at least. However seeing how David basically avoids Dune like he's having PTSD from it, that may never happen…
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 have you seen this directors cut? I'm guessing no. So how the fuck do you know it wasnt just as bad as the 2 hour dogshit they pushed out. More dog shit doesnt equate to an EPIC...... David Lynch made a shit movie with way too many liberties.
"Is it the future waiting to happen" is a very interesting question for a novel about prescience which frequently stresss "The future creates the past"
Regardless of what anyone thinks of the movies, Dune is , as far as I'm concerned the best piece of literature I've ever read. I can still reread each novel in the series and still realize I've missed aspects of the story. In effect I think Frank Herbert is / was a modern day prophet.The integration of Melange to improve / enhance human consciousness, AI and it's impact on humanity, the cast of characters and their personalities is a work of genius as an author. (How did Frank Herbert fit his imagination into his brain, and then his brain into his skull?!). Dune's storyline / plot makes Star Wars plot / storyline read like "Goldilocks and the 3 Bears" I doubt that anyone could effectively make a Dune movie .... the original novel itself is maybe 4 movies in its own right I think. If done properly it would make someone a lot of money though.
+Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad I don`t know Witcher, but as long as ASOIAF goes, George Martin is just an OK writer, dull prose and lack of concept above the facts make the saga just a retake on some historical pieces. ASOIAF lacks of narrative ambition, it`s good literature, still, but don`t even close to the monument of Dune, and if you consider Dune chronicles as a saga, the superiority of the concepts made by Frank Herbert (how power and messianism are just parts of the human evolution, the nature of energy on ecologism and the decadence of the "species" concept itself, among many, many othr ideas put on the whole story) is just overwhelming. Great Sci Fi authors like Stanislaw Lem or truly world creators as Ursula K. Le Guin or Tolkien are the few who can compare their works to Dune.
+Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad I have read both and none of the books from those two franchises reaches the heights of the first Dune book. They don't even come close... Witcher books especially.
+Corven Icenail ASOIAF's central weakness is that its overarching themes are either not strong enough or strongly communicated enough to support its very meandering path. Without powerful unifying themes it doesn't matter how good the characters and worldbuilding are, the whole thing veers into medieval soap opera, which is fine unless you are trying to be ranked with Tolkien, LeGuin, Herbert et. al. I think Martin got carried away with moving the chesspieces on the board and his obsession with overturning genre conventions by murdering important characters and neglected the larger story for too long. Book purists are angry at the tv show for rushing to the climactic showdown when that is just what the series needed, a kick in the ass, regardless of the numerous screw-ups the scriptwriters have made. Then again, I also feel Herbert's production became uneven after the awesomeness of Dune. Dune Messiah had great themes but lacked epic scope. Children of Dune returned to form and could have formed a satisfying conclusion to the series if not for it being left unclear what Leto intended to do with his godlike powers (unless that was hinted at...I can't remember), which could have been covered with an epilogue. God Emperor could have been a novella, it was a slog until the final act, and parts of it were just bizarre. But then Leto's grand design was finally fulfilled, and I feel that Herbert should have stopped there. The Atreides story was complete. Humanity was free of the trap of prescience and reliance on one leader. l did not find the last two books memorable and I get them confused in my head. Strictly IMO, of course.
AllSeeingEye of God Dune as Mohammed? Sort of. Touch of Lawrence of Arabia, 60s druggie culture & ecology, OPEC (CHOAM), Theosophy with Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and Nietzsche.
Herbert seemed so down to earth and also sage-like with immense wisdom. He did a little bit of everything in his life as variety is the spice of life and wisdom it's accumulated experiences.
I never met this man and didn’t know of him until a several months ago but I love him so much. Rip frank we love you and miss you. You truly changed my life.
Genius ahead of his time and ahead of his craft. I'm so grateful we get to read these books. And just as grateful that we have MULTIPLE adaptations of this epic masterpiece. Don't like one? Like the other. Or like all. I think every adaptation, like it or not, captures the spirit of the books in one way or another. Whether it be Dune 1984, Dune the miniseries, or Denis Villeneuve Dune, it is a beautiful depiction of his vision in some way or another. I'd like to think he'd love all 3 for what they are in their time
Same, I played the game off first on my Win95puter then like Bastian in Neverending Story, summer of 96' I discovered an old battered copy of Dune and the bookstore owner was reluctant to give it to me said it was waaay too advance for my age at the time I was only 12.. The fucking book changed my life and nobody was interested whoever I tried to insist into reading it.. I discovered lynch made a movie roundabout 2 years later after that..
"Don't trust leaders to always be right." Man, you can carve that in stone! Distrust of government... Mr. Herbert was only partially correct about people's seeming loss of that- I believe that is always with us, but not as vocal as it once was. His success never changed his forthright honesty and humble bearing. Thank you for posting this.
@@rapidreaders7741 Good memory & quote! Truly, I think Tricky Dickie got a bum wrap. After all, he wasn't a crook... just a politician. What's that you say? "Same thing"? Oh... nevermind!
F. Herbert told us about the power & danger of environments, resources & ideologies moving us. His “Dune” also reflected the growing concern about the health degradation with civilization. We are all getting abilities like Paul‘s genetic memory & prescience with the internet & AI. His question about “the sustainability of civilization” has become more significant than ever.
@@kayrosis5523 Today, a month into the COVID19 pandemic, the United States has more dead than all its military casualties in the entirety of the Viet Nam war. To a large degree this is because of Federal government inaction, and as of now no end in in the escalating death toll is in sight. This is the direct result of the ideology of a president who was elected by those who reflexively "mistrust government". Herbert's view was fashionable at the time this video was made, and that's why Gumbel didn't challenge him during the interview. More's the pity: if this "fashionable" view had had more critical pushback then, the catastrophe we're living now might have been mitigated. Lucky for Herbert he didn't live to see the consequences of his ideology in action at the highest levels. The sins of the fathers...
Frank Herbert seems like a good man and an even greater mind. The man saw and wrote about what's happening and will continue to happen. amazing absolutely amazing
I watched the 1984 version years ago, I was just 12. Couldn’t understand a lot of it and it wasn’t all that good of an adaptation, but there was just something so captivating about the story, the world. A book and a 2022 movie later, I am thoroughly satisfied.
@@absentiambient Think you mean bold. :) But I agree - Arthur C. Clarke, Philip K. Dick, Ray Bradbury, H.G. Wells... I like Herbert too, but difficult to say who is 'best'.
@@MaynardKeenanX I think I'll call that bluff. Although it's all a bit silly arguing which dead guy was more of a genius. I find Herbert's incites more profound.
The depth and scope of Dune and the imagination the Frank Herbert put into his novel makes it stand alone in literature and made , in my opinion, speculative/science fiction mainstream.
I've never been one to try and get to know the authors and musicians I enjoy. I rarely look up interviews with them, and perhaps it's because I want to keep that ideal image in my mind. But this is exactly what I expected Herbert to be like from those pictures of him in the back of his books. I began reading his books back in 1999 when I was 15 when I found Dune on the bookshelf of my Grandfather during a particularly boring summer vacation, and haven't stopped rereading them since. The man is a an absolute legend in writing.
Herbert was a passionate and intelligent man who had more than just prior knowledge of the work he was writing. It's sad that many people hate his work just because of silly arguments between smug Twitterers and film critics who don't even know how to mind their own business. Much less analyze anything.
One of the best scifi authors ever. I have read all his Dune books and re-read them several times and got even more out of them. It's pretty amazing how much he educated himself about physics, computers and government and in the 1960's he's talking about folding space to achieve FTL - brilliant!
I mean its easy to get frustrated with the interviews simplistic/generalised statements/questions or consensus of most ppl not liking sci-fi, but you rlly start to respect the work when you see how it challenges the author to think of interesting, short, succinct response that illustrate his thoughts, that of the book and all to an audience who might not even have known it exists. So its always great to see the author be able to answer those questions effectively and play this game of wits with an interviewer.
This is a surprisingly insightful interview. I guess our expectations are so lowered these days, so it's refreshing to see an author being interviewed without asking about fluff.
You're often disappointed when you meet your heroes, I wasn't. Same goes for Terry Pratchett, both warm and intelligent souls with incredibly sharp minds..
You left your comment in the wrong place; Gumbel doesn't interrupt Herbert. I greatly dislike people issuing comments that don't mean anything in the context they're placed and reflect that the commenter didn't even watch the video but still wanted to SAY something just to be SAYING something. It's times like this that make me wonder, "What is this person really trying to criticize, since they're making a criticism that isn't reflected in the video?"
@@jamescarter3196 No, he didn't interrupt him. He just rushed through this interview. It would have been so much more enjoyable if Frank Herbert just sat there and spoke about whatever came to his mind and Bryan Gumbel wasn't there at all.
@@jamescarter3196 I know right? I loved the interviewer. He asked thought-provoking questions. He made insightful comments. We got some deep meaningful answers from Herbert. It was an enjoyable back and forth chalk-full of meaningful conversation. It was actually refreshing to watch- especially compared with the garbage levels of banter we get on the news today.
The intelligence of this guy, from his book you can see his vision, the warnings, and you look at where we are today, and you know he was on to something.
@@thespicemustflow2956 Orwell was extremely against Stalinism. Animal Farm is against stalinism and 1984 is also against stalinism and fascism. Before speaking, bother to do research on anything.
Absolute genius this man. Finally read Dune last year. Best book I have ever read. Update: add Messiah and Children to that list. Now I’m onto God Emperor. Masterpieces.
Messiah for me is a bit of a slog TBH butbit gives context and depth to the next books. Ive read messiah and children this was ages ago so im going back to the begining and planning on going through all the books
I used to imagine him as a mentat or a planetologist, just like Pardot or Liet Kines. Someone who is very close to Fremen culture but is not a real Fremen.
I wonder what Frank Herbert would say about 2024. And one of my favorite childhood memories is of meeting Frank Herbert and his wife at a book signing. I still have my signed copy of Dune.
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I wish Frank was alive to see his work be adapted into cinema so well
Hey kahpyvara, can you imagine!! If Frank herbert was still alive today. Man! Oh man and see his reaction to the Two Part Dune films. Gosh. He would be seriously proud of his work to the core. And proud of denis villenueve the movie director.
These new movie adaptations have perfectly visualized what i imagined in my head when i read the books.
" Don't trust leaders to always be right "
Holds true now more than ever
Exactly what I was going to say. 🙌 Melbourne's Premier Andrew's is a prime example atm. Plus the cabal; hidden group of individuals too cowardous to show their faces, behind all of this.
No it’s always been true since the dawn of government kid the fuck you talking about
Actually true true, since the dawn of time. It's just that he means we're actually experiencing it clearly atm. That shit hits you hard hun.
You're either 4 to 8 years too late, or if things go bad in November, a month early.
Yeah it was so much better during WW2 or during the reign of unaccountable kings... but now... now we cant trust leaders to always be right.
He belongs on the Mt. Rushmore of Sci-fi authors along with Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, and Issac Assimov.
Philip K Dick
Geiger Boy Arthur C Clarke
Amen
William F. Nolan is good, but he isn't one of the titans. I would agree for Phillip K Dick, Aldous Huxley, and Bradbury. Clarke and Heinlein don't need my vote, they're already among the most respected. I would also like to throw in Octavia Butler and Ursula Le Guin. Lets get some ladies in here.
Geiger Boy Stanislaw Lem too.
Perhaps my favorite part of this interview is that Gumbel seems to have actually read the books -- his citation of names, places, and their very distinct pronunciations. Seems to go beyond same old pre-interview show prep.
yes very impressed by Gumbel's level of questions for a daytime NBC
That is very true and I always loved the Gumbel brothers, especially Bryant. He was well read and made even short interviews interesting because he seemed genuinely interested and asked good questions
He was brimming with excitement to be interviewing this legend.
He comes around as the most chill guy ever, while also being wise and incredibly well-spoken. I wish he was still around. I'm sure he'd love Villeneuve's adaptation. Dune is such a timeless story, it feels like it was written yesterday, not almost 60 years ago.
Agree... i mean dune had put forward ideas 100 years before their time, talking about ai in the 60s, and genetic engineering, i mean the dragonfly ornothopter is still the best idea for a flying machine anyone has ever made, can go from helicopter to airplane in a second
He’d probably hate what they did with Gurney
No, he wouldn’t. Changing Liet-Kynes to a black woman in Oder to service the current year race and gender obsessions completely undercuts the character as written. He was an imperial gone native. They butchered him in the movie so that there was no reveal, no exploration of his evolution. It was POC/White people and terribly mishandled because everything must be dumbed down for The Message™️ and the ideology.
@@TheThigh you mean by not making him incredibly ugly?
@@braedanclay5633
That, but mostly the demeanor. He was also missing an accent.
Just saw Dune part 2 in IMAX and it feels like having seen something truly historic. One of the best films I’ve ever seen.
so say we all
I’ve seen in twice now in IMAX!
You fuckin feel it in your bones.
Almost a religious experience.
Dune 1&2 are absolutely two of my all time favorite movies.
They are both masterpieces.
2 and even more so than 1.
@@AJ-gk7bn IMAX was insane, especially the sound. Possibly the best sound design I’ve ever experienced. You’re right, felt it in my bones.
Epic
Really? I’m guessing you are young. It was sooo average. I’d struggle to give it a 7/10
Someone asked me the other day: Star Wars or Star Trek? My answer: Dune.
John gets it
Ironically, both franchises took some inspiration from Dune in one form or another.
Easily Dune, Star wars with all it's hype has no lore, it's all about sith vs jedi, nothing the middle. Star Trek is great but thanks to shitty writers it's now not moving anywhere. But Dune, man the first book alone has more depth to it than the whole sw universe. I also dig the Foundation by Asimov. Would love to see a series of that as well.
My answer always. The books.
you are an idiot.
The interviewer is really really good
Extremely so, this is often the case with old interviews. I wonder if this is because only the good survive or simply they were more competent. Perhaps a bit of both.
Very quick and responsive back and forth, makes me admire Herbert for being able to respond as quickly in a context where you don't have a lot of time unfortunately and it makes me wish it had been a longer format, I felt like the intervier was very good at knowing where to interject and Brian able to condense. But again, can't help but think what we could have gotten out of this if it had been 20 or 40 minutes.
That's Bryant Gumbel
Media wasn't so embarrassing back then
If this interview took place now, they would ask Frank Herbert to rate Dune TikTok edits and have him try British snacks.
Oh I think the man would be so happy today with Denis Villeneuve adaptation. Masterpiece
Readers of the book were rewarded so well by this version. Paul even expressed the distrust he had in himself during this movie. I wish Frank could have seen it.
I don't think he would, and yes I'm reading the book
@@jeevangopal482 why so?
the movie loses some of the intricacies of the novel, but is a better film for it. i think some of the main themes are so well expressed, however, it amplifies the overall message to a degree i think Herbert would rejoice in. I think he would like the 2021 version a lot more than the Lynch version. i wish he could have seen it
@@paultrygstad4771 books = heavy political plots and elaborate well spoken characters and a ton of lsd.
Latest movie = smoosh every celebrity imaginable and have them all quietly grumble. Sanitize everything questionable.
@@ZacharyBittner The movie is a completely different medium to the books. With the limited run time it has, it won't work to include every detail of the politics from the books and instead uses the audiovisual experience to tell the story. I think the movie did a great job at preserving the main themes and ideas of the book while making it just accessible enough to get new audiences interested in the series.
I can see Frank as a historian. Thankfully, he became successful as a speculative sociologist using novels as the vehicles of his ideas. He is terrific at articulating his insights. For instance, " Our government was founded on mistrust of government. We seem to have lost that mistrust of government." "Government is a shared illusion. When the myth dies the government disappears." We miss you Frank.
pinmode Unfortunately, posterity doesn't vote
allow me to present you the symbolism in Dune: Paul is founder of Christian church. "paul" = little one.
Kwisatz Haderach lies at the bottom of the bottomless pit. the angel of the abyss. Leto = stone.
Bene = sons/daughters and stone; Gesserit = the Way. I am the Way the Truth and the Life.
Rabban = master. He is also called "the beast" - Revelation 13:18. Dune is the Bible repackaged as sci-fi
Americans confuse me. They hate government but have one.
@@criztu interesting point . Butt , i believe the author had NO "repackaging a bible" in mind when he crafted the novel . Human mind ofCourse , is always inclined to see analogies & references
Mind is basically Memory
@@naneeleo823 I respect your beliefs.
Kefitzat Haderech is straight up Kabbalah.
I have presented only a few symbols in Herbert's Dune that fit precisely the Bible and Judaic traditions.
Paul(little one) is the one and only begotten son of Leto(stone). Mithras, born of the rock.
Paul first lives in a green, garden like, place caled Caladaan(kulud < kalada - everlasting happiness). Eden.
Paul is banished to a land devoid of life, a desert, a wilderness. Temptation of Christ.
Paul's mother is Jessica, who subdues others with her voice. the Witch, Zohar.
Jessica rebelled from the program of Bene(offspring, stone) Gesserit(path).
the character of Paul is basically Satan, Apollo(destroyer), Shiva the Destroyer/Creator.
the Shai Hulud is the serpent of old, who was in Eden. Nachash. Serapis. Abrasax.
So Paul achieves mastery over all sorts of satanic powers, to become God. This is in line with the teachings of the New Testament, where Jesus destroys the one who has the power of death.. the devil.
I enjoy Dune's occult mysticism in the first book.
First time I’m seeing anything about Frank Herbert. Seem like a great guy
He seems like the most wholesome uncle one could ever have.
I love how many Dune fans are really happy with today's Dune. it's so nice to see a work of cinema that is so successful in that way.
"I write science fiction for people who don't read science fiction" - This is like 100% truth for me. I generally don't like sci-fi or fantasy that much but Dune is the exception.
Dune is the LOTR of science fiction.
Interestingliy, Tolkien really didn't like Dune :D
I love LOTR but it is much less complex I think
I have problems with LOTR and i love Dune.
@@PASTRAMIKick LOTR has amazing depth. Probably less complex though, I'd agree. Both are simply amazing
Sounds like an insult
Love the original Lynch Dune movie, and recently Dune2.
Reread the books 20 years ago, enjoyed the movies more :)
“I write Science Fiction for people who don’t read Science Fiction” perfectly highlights what made his series so special
My wife loves Dune. My wife also hates sci-fi movies. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 👏👏👏
As a person and author, one aspect of Frank Herbert that fascinates me is that he seemed very enthusiastic about the idea of adapting his novel into film, and was not really concerned about what other authors may construe as the misinterpretation of their work. He apparently liked the 1984 Lynch film, despite its notorious wackiness (at least in my eyes), and it goes to show that Herbert wrote Dune in a metaphorical sense and with flexibility in how the story could be portrayed. For this same reason, I think he would have greatly enjoyed and respected Villeneuve's ongoing film saga.
Do not stop at the first book
The first half of the 1st book was god awful slow, but after that holy shit. And the end of the 3rd one... Wooow
read til the third book.. it got so slow and bogged down in religion and ... gave up reading any more of the dune series... thank goodness for the babylon 5 series....
@@albertbresca5801 terry goodkind "sword of truth" series is also good ;-)
First book is the best one.
@@hadeseye2297 i really enjoyed the first book... if you haven't yet see the short series made of the first and second books... years back ... better than the movie (much better!!) and truer to the books....
Took my family to see Dune in theaters 40 years after this interview.; your legacy lives on Mr. Herbert and thank you for your inspiring work.
Are we expecting another spectacle, unfortunately not for many decades to come. Sad you did not live to see it.
What a wise man! I'm glad Dune is becoming popular again.
Frank called it, "I really am expecting much more of a David Lynch movie..."
Poor Frank, and poor Lynch.
And Lynch delivered. We just got betrayed by Dino De Laurentiis and Raffaella who meddled way too much with Lynch and were the ones to be blamed for the stupid decisions to cut this epic down to a mere 2 hour movie and not even letting Lynch have his Directors Cut. Make no Mistake, Lynch shot an absolute Epic that really does the book justice. However we never got to see the Epic he REALLY shot. You get a glimpse at it with the theatrical cut and a bigger glimpse with the stupid TV cut. We need an actual Lynch Directors Cut that runs well over 3 ½ hours at least. However seeing how David basically avoids Dune like he's having PTSD from it, that may never happen…
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 You again? Wow. xD
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 my thoughts exactly.
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 have you seen this directors cut? I'm guessing no. So how the fuck do you know it wasnt just as bad as the 2 hour dogshit they pushed out. More dog shit doesnt equate to an EPIC...... David Lynch made a shit movie with way too many liberties.
M here to appreciate Frank Herbert after watching dune part2 4 time in theaters.
I wish him and Tolkien were around to see their books being adapted so well :)
I hope humanity will always be blessed with such untimely people.
What he has predicted has come true. “Charismatic leaders should come with a warning ⚠️ Hazardous to your health”
I think we two got extremely different views on the defintion "charismatic"
MaynardKeenanX the means may be different. But, those leaders who never admit fault or weakness are consistent characteristics.
Not for the first time nor the last.
Absolutely.And yet still people fall for Leto II and justify his great plan...
If you talking about Trump. You are aware he came to power on the backs of those who distrusted the government in the first place?
"Is it the future waiting to happen" is a very interesting question for a novel about prescience which frequently stresss "The future creates the past"
Its too bad Frank didn't live to see the new Dune adaptation its so good
Regardless of what anyone thinks of the movies, Dune is , as far as I'm concerned the best piece of literature I've ever read. I can still reread each novel in the series and still realize I've missed aspects of the story. In effect I think Frank Herbert is / was a modern day prophet.The integration of Melange to improve / enhance human consciousness, AI and it's impact on humanity, the cast of characters and their personalities is a work of genius as an author. (How did Frank Herbert fit his imagination into his brain, and then his brain into his skull?!). Dune's storyline / plot makes Star Wars plot / storyline read like "Goldilocks and the 3 Bears" I doubt that anyone could effectively make a Dune movie .... the original novel itself is maybe 4 movies in its own right I think. If done properly it would make someone a lot of money though.
u kiddin me??? try reading the witcher books...or asoiaf...you'd surely change ur mind
+Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad I don`t know Witcher, but as long as ASOIAF goes, George Martin is just an OK writer, dull prose and lack of concept above the facts make the saga just a retake on some historical pieces. ASOIAF lacks of narrative ambition, it`s good literature, still, but don`t even close to the monument of Dune, and if you consider Dune chronicles as a saga, the superiority of the concepts made by Frank Herbert (how power and messianism are just parts of the human evolution, the nature of energy on ecologism and the decadence of the "species" concept itself, among many, many othr ideas put on the whole story) is just overwhelming. Great Sci Fi authors like Stanislaw Lem or truly world creators as Ursula K. Le Guin or Tolkien are the few who can compare their works to Dune.
+Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad I have read both and none of the books from those two franchises reaches the heights of the first Dune book. They don't even come close... Witcher books especially.
+Corven Icenail ASOIAF's central weakness is that its overarching themes are either not strong enough or strongly communicated enough to support its very meandering path. Without powerful unifying themes it doesn't matter how good the characters and worldbuilding are, the whole thing veers into medieval soap opera, which is fine unless you are trying to be ranked with Tolkien, LeGuin, Herbert et. al.
I think Martin got carried away with moving the chesspieces on the board and his obsession with overturning genre conventions by murdering important characters and neglected the larger story for too long. Book purists are angry at the tv show for rushing to the climactic showdown when that is just what the series needed, a kick in the ass, regardless of the numerous screw-ups the scriptwriters have made.
Then again, I also feel Herbert's production became uneven after the awesomeness of Dune. Dune Messiah had great themes but lacked epic scope. Children of Dune returned to form and could have formed a satisfying conclusion to the series if not for it being left unclear what Leto intended to do with his godlike powers (unless that was hinted at...I can't remember), which could have been covered with an epilogue. God Emperor could have been a novella, it was a slog until the final act, and parts of it were just bizarre. But then Leto's grand design was finally fulfilled, and I feel that Herbert should have stopped there. The Atreides story was complete. Humanity was free of the trap of prescience and reliance on one leader. l did not find the last two books memorable and I get them confused in my head. Strictly IMO, of course.
AllSeeingEye of God Dune as Mohammed? Sort of. Touch of Lawrence of Arabia, 60s druggie culture & ecology, OPEC (CHOAM), Theosophy with Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and Nietzsche.
Herbert seemed so down to earth and also sage-like with immense wisdom. He did a little bit of everything in his life as variety is the spice of life and wisdom it's accumulated experiences.
I never met this man and didn’t know of him until a several months ago but I love him so much. Rip frank we love you and miss you. You truly changed my life.
Genius ahead of his time and ahead of his craft. I'm so grateful we get to read these books. And just as grateful that we have MULTIPLE adaptations of this epic masterpiece. Don't like one? Like the other. Or like all. I think every adaptation, like it or not, captures the spirit of the books in one way or another. Whether it be Dune 1984, Dune the miniseries, or Denis Villeneuve Dune, it is a beautiful depiction of his vision in some way or another. I'd like to think he'd love all 3 for what they are in their time
One of the most imaginative and brilliant sci-fi authors of my lifetime.
I love the way Bryant Gumbel interviews people. I love the way Frank gives interviews. This workd for me very much.
The spice must flow.
I’m on the third book already and I feel like Frank Herbert would be someone to sit at a coffee shop and chat with.
I love the way he enunciates his words.
He is using 'the Voice' from Bene Gesserit training.
Got called Bryant a lot as a kid for reading stuff like Herbert’s, now they’re legends 😎
His brilliance, imagination, & dreams were way ahead of its time.
My first exposure to dune was Dune 2000, an RTS game.The series is soooo much more than what I thought.
likewise
Same, I played the game off first on my Win95puter then like Bastian in Neverending Story, summer of 96' I discovered an old battered copy of Dune and the bookstore owner was reluctant to give it to me said it was waaay too advance for my age at the time I was only 12.. The fucking book changed my life and nobody was interested whoever I tried to insist into reading it.. I discovered lynch made a movie roundabout 2 years later after that..
Frank Herbert a brilliant mind and so astute
"Don't trust leaders to always be right." Man, you can carve that in stone! Distrust of government... Mr. Herbert was only partially correct about people's seeming loss of that- I believe that is always with us, but not as vocal as it once was.
His success never changed his forthright honesty and humble bearing. Thank you for posting this.
By far one of his most underrated quotes: "One of my favorite presidents is Richard Nixon, because he taught us to distrust government."
@@rapidreaders7741 Good memory & quote!
Truly, I think Tricky Dickie got a bum wrap. After all, he wasn't a crook... just a politician.
What's that you say? "Same thing"? Oh... nevermind!
RIP Frank Herbert
F. Herbert told us about the power & danger of environments, resources & ideologies moving us.
His “Dune” also reflected the growing concern about the health degradation with civilization.
We are all getting abilities like Paul‘s genetic memory & prescience with the internet & AI.
His question about “the sustainability of civilization” has become more significant than ever.
if he saw what Denis did...i think his mind would be blown
This was actually a pretty good interview. Not seen that often very much anymore.
"When the myth dies so does the government?... 'Thats correct'"
Today is the 27th day of a government shutdown over a political symbol and neither side even considering a compromise.
The myth is about to die.
@@kayrosis5523 Today, a month into the COVID19 pandemic, the United States has more dead than all its military casualties in the entirety of the Viet Nam war. To a large degree this is because of Federal government inaction, and as of now no end in in the escalating death toll is in sight. This is the direct result of the ideology of a president who was elected by those who reflexively "mistrust government".
Herbert's view was fashionable at the time this video was made, and that's why Gumbel didn't challenge him during the interview. More's the pity: if this "fashionable" view had had more critical pushback then, the catastrophe we're living now might have been mitigated. Lucky for Herbert he didn't live to see the consequences of his ideology in action at the highest levels. The sins of the fathers...
@@ntodd4110 You're not as clever as you think you are...
@@wthwasthat8884 And how would YOU know how clever I think I am?
Frank Herbert seems like a good man and an even greater mind. The man saw and wrote about what's happening and will continue to happen. amazing absolutely amazing
I watched the 1984 version years ago, I was just 12. Couldn’t understand a lot of it and it wasn’t all that good of an adaptation, but there was just something so captivating about the story, the world. A book and a 2022 movie later, I am thoroughly satisfied.
I read the novel at 12 or 13 in 7th grade English class and it was a bit much to process. I don't remember how the girls felt about it.
Probably the biggest genius in sci-fi literature.
I call your herbert and raise with isaac Asimov
That's a pretty bald statement. There's ALOT of geniuses in sci-fi literature
@@absentiambient Think you mean bold. :) But I agree - Arthur C. Clarke, Philip K. Dick, Ray Bradbury, H.G. Wells... I like Herbert too, but difficult to say who is 'best'.
Ross Tarran bradbury is a good writer but his concepts are overrated imo. Especially fahrenheit
@@MaynardKeenanX I think I'll call that bluff. Although it's all a bit silly arguing which dead guy was more of a genius. I find Herbert's incites more profound.
A legend and a genius.
The depth and scope of Dune and the imagination the Frank Herbert put into his novel makes it stand alone in literature and made , in my opinion, speculative/science fiction mainstream.
I love how Frank speaks with that relaxed and funny attitude, truly makes a great interview
This man is a genius. His ideas, or should I say warnings about the environment, leaders and government remain current even to today.
Great books. Very thought provoking on everything from religion, morality, politics, human nature.
too bad he never saw villanuve's molive
Herbert gives great insights and notable quotes in this interview. we miss him.
Genius and Humble Man
Why the best ones die so soon?
Rest In Peace Master Frank Herbert
I've never been one to try and get to know the authors and musicians I enjoy. I rarely look up interviews with them, and perhaps it's because I want to keep that ideal image in my mind. But this is exactly what I expected Herbert to be like from those pictures of him in the back of his books. I began reading his books back in 1999 when I was 15 when I found Dune on the bookshelf of my Grandfather during a particularly boring summer vacation, and haven't stopped rereading them since. The man is a an absolute legend in writing.
Herbert was a passionate and intelligent man who had more than just prior knowledge of the work he was writing. It's sad that many people hate his work just because of silly arguments between smug Twitterers and film critics who don't even know how to mind their own business. Much less analyze anything.
Sometimes I wonder what the poets of the past would think when they saw what people have become today.
One of the best scifi authors ever. I have read all his Dune books and re-read them several times and got even more out of them. It's pretty amazing how much he educated himself about physics, computers and government and in the 1960's he's talking about folding space to achieve FTL - brilliant!
I mean its easy to get frustrated with the interviews simplistic/generalised statements/questions or consensus of most ppl not liking sci-fi, but you rlly start to respect the work when you see how it challenges the author to think of interesting, short, succinct response that illustrate his thoughts, that of the book and all to an audience who might not even have known it exists. So its always great to see the author be able to answer those questions effectively and play this game of wits with an interviewer.
Frank was honestly a genius and his understanding of the movie, even before he saw the screenplay was accurate. What a gem of a man.
The interviewer Is super good, captivating, now a days you don't get to see this level of professionalism
thanks a thousand times... first time I see the best science fiction writer of all time.. DUNE is ETERNITY
"how many more Dunes to come?"
"At least one more"
RIP
This is a surprisingly insightful interview.
I guess our expectations are so lowered these days, so it's refreshing to see an author being interviewed without asking about fluff.
WHAT AN AMAZING MAN.
A literary genius! Man, I wish I could have met him.
the world of Dune is amazing
The man the legend.... god how I wish he was still around.
You're often disappointed when you meet your heroes, I wasn't. Same goes for Terry Pratchett, both warm and intelligent souls with incredibly sharp minds..
You met him? His thoughts on terraforming always interested me.
Saw Dune 1 and 2 is amazing and thanks to him
Frank Herbert...genius!!
RIP, Sir.
I would of loved to of met Frank herbert and have a deep philosophical discussion with him.
When you look into what Frank Herbert's ideology, it's not really that deep at all.
I greatly dislike interviewers who interrupt.
It's the goddamned commercials. The interviewers rush through everything to sell that soap!
You left your comment in the wrong place; Gumbel doesn't interrupt Herbert. I greatly dislike people issuing comments that don't mean anything in the context they're placed and reflect that the commenter didn't even watch the video but still wanted to SAY something just to be SAYING something. It's times like this that make me wonder, "What is this person really trying to criticize, since they're making a criticism that isn't reflected in the video?"
@@jamescarter3196 No, he didn't interrupt him. He just rushed through this interview. It would have been so much more enjoyable if Frank Herbert just sat there and spoke about whatever came to his mind and Bryan Gumbel wasn't there at all.
@@jamescarter3196 I know right? I loved the interviewer. He asked thought-provoking questions. He made insightful comments. We got some deep meaningful answers from Herbert. It was an enjoyable back and forth chalk-full of meaningful conversation. It was actually refreshing to watch- especially compared with the garbage levels of banter we get on the news today.
They're on a short timeline. Great interview within its limits.
The intelligence of this guy, from his book you can see his vision, the warnings, and you look at where we are today, and you know he was on to something.
Very much like George Orwell. Wise in his ways and prophetic through personal experience and via their literature.
No Body Nineteen-Eighty-Four being the book that got me into serious literature. Thus to Dune and Frank Herbert.
Orwell was an anti-semite snitch though
Orwell never recanted his leftist beliefs, despite witnessing the utter failure of trying to produce a leftist uptopia.
@@thespicemustflow2956 Orwell was extremely against Stalinism. Animal Farm is against stalinism and 1984 is also against stalinism and fascism.
Before speaking, bother to do research on anything.
@@thespicemustflow2956 One can be Communist and anti-Stalinist, as many in the USSR were pre-1936.
i'm here because _Dune_ and _Dune: Part Two_ are amazing movies, both worth for collected ❤
I wish I could have had a conversation with that man.
I can hear his writing in his voice, he sounds like he has bene gesserit training himself ❤
Damn this guy was smart love listening to him ❤️
It still boggles my mind how ahead of his time Frank Herbert was.
Absolute genius this man. Finally read Dune last year. Best book I have ever read.
Update: add Messiah and Children to that list. Now I’m onto God Emperor. Masterpieces.
Messiah for me is a bit of a slog TBH butbit gives context and depth to the next books. Ive read messiah and children this was ages ago so im going back to the begining and planning on going through all the books
@@thrash208 Of the first 4 I think Messiah was the weakest in its writing style.
@@patreekotime4578 i agree 100% BUT it does kinda give a conclusion to Pauls story
this guy made my life and made my childhood fun.
His eyes almost seem blue within blue...or is it just me?
+Nik Manee I knew it! Frank Herbert was a fremen!
BLKNGLD Herbert was addicted to the spice melange. The poison which gives life..
I used to imagine him as a mentat or a planetologist, just like Pardot or Liet Kines. Someone who is very close to Fremen culture but is not a real Fremen.
He could pass for Stilgar imo
Zannai Face Dancer
Liet is a Fremen padot isn’t
Three writers changed totally my outlook on reality, at about the same time in the 1980s:
Frank Herbert, Carlos Castaneda and Douglas Hofstadter
¡Frank Herbert: genio!
I wonder how long it’s been since there’s been an interview half as stimulating as this on NBC Today. 1982, Different audience, different show
Great post. I'd like to see Hellstrom's Hive made into a movie someday.
Enjoyed his book so much! Having a son I felt even more connected to it.
Amazing guy. Based af too.
He seems like such a sweet and nice man.
i am quite sure he says "jungian psychology" not "human psycholgy" like in the subtitles.....
Thanks. I've fixed the subtitles. I'd taken them from the NBC captions, I guess they got it wrong too! :)
ReichsfuehrerSS Deffo Jungian.
ReichsfuehrerSS Yes, Jung. One of the fathers of Psychology.
yeah, i know XD psychology is my major
ReichsfuehrerSS : Are you practicing, now? How is your career going?
I am very impressed you found this clip!
I liked Herbert's quick plainspokenness.
Herbert created something very special and unique
good man Frank Herbert
I wonder what Frank Herbert would say about 2024. And one of my favorite childhood memories is of meeting Frank Herbert and his wife at a book signing. I still have my signed copy of Dune.