During the events of Control we see him leave for vacation with The Old Gods of Asgard, I feel that his proximity to Bright Falls made Alan pull him into the story as a resident, not realizing/caring that he was only visiting and didn't live there. Ahti being who he is can clearly realize something is wrong as his real home is the Oldest House
Now this right here shows the exceptional power of the parautilitarians, and why he was being considered for the role of director. Controling a supernatural entity like Ahti was not possible for even Hiss, the same Hiss which controlled Jesse and Dylan. I really wanna see Alan in the oldest house man
@@Jeanic14Further elaborating on this, Control has some Alan Wake dlc. You get to learn a little more and as the game wasn't even known about at the time, hinted there was going to be another game (Alan Wake 2). It was also genius since they had officially connected the two worlds and are going to continue that. I'd love to see Alan in the Oldest House! Poor Ahti though.. I'm still not exactly sure who or what he is as his presence was both strange and comforting while playing Control but I loved him nonetheless.
@@Jeanic14 The FBC had many candidates for director (codenamed P), and in between them Alan Wake. P1 to 4 ended up in disappointment (most likely they did the russian roulette test and died), P5 was supposed to be Alan but given his disapperance, the Faden siblings ended up as the next candidates.
Oh this is honestly disturbing. Hearing Ahti, the guy who always knows what's going on and how to fix it, scared and confused like this is really sad and scary. I hope he's okay in control 2.
@@tarynghostthat’s also something that can happen since the situation is under control at the end. Could have Saga or Alan go to the Oldest House. Just depends where and when they want to play the event of C2!
@@nickandbarry1777 Well, in many aspects Alan is going to get arrested by the FBC because a) he's a parautilitarian, and b) to see if he has any correlation with the increase of AWEs since 2010, which is when he disappeared.
@@dragondelsur5156 I agree! I just don’t know if it’ll be in the events of Control 2. Alan can easily have a reason to go back to the dark place so will prolong his stay there as 1.)Alice is back there 2.) the dlc could drastically change the layout for later entires!
With the events of the final draft, I’m pretty sure Alan may be one of the most powerful beings to exists outside of the board. Seems based on dialogue to have the powers of scratch and potentially something more as he says he’s now the master of light and dark, and all worlds.
I think this must be Ahti having some sort of crisis - he knows he is above the story and is a deity shifting between reality yet he has become locked in one place, in a physical body as a character bound to certain actions
@@tarynghost he is named after a Finnish Sea God and evidently has changed in what he is perceived as between Control and AW2. In Control it’s made clear he IS the janitor of The Oldest House, while in AW2 everyone thinks he is a nutty old guy who thinks he is a janitor. There’s also a manuscript page describing him taking the water of Cauldron Lake and putting it in the janitors bucket to create the spillages that allow you to switch between Alan and Saga.
@@penguinproductions8829 Oh? That's interesting. I think I may have missed that manuscript? Or if it's in Final Draft, I've just started it! ...on nightmare mode..... Why I do this to myself, I'll never know.
@@tarynghost I started The Final Draft on hard. (Had done NG on normal.) Partway through, I heeded the advice of a random Reddit comment and bumped it up to nightmare. You're just too powerful with all the upgrades for hard to remain as engaging as it should be. :)
(Perkele kun sotketaan joka paikka) Damn this messing up of the whole place (Kuulkaapa nyt mikä..) Hold up, what.. (Mitäs, mikä paikka tämä on?) Wait, what place is this? (Voi helvetti soikoon) Fucking hell (Tämä ei ole minun koti) This isn't my home (Minä haluan..) I want to.. (Ei saatana. Ei saatana!) Shit, shit, shit! (Voi jumalauta) God damn it
Oh! Thank you for the translations! It's so interesting that he realizes where he is feels so wrong. Equally interesting, as someone in the comments pointed out, that not even the hiss could control Ahti but Alan has. That's a scary thought considering we never would have gotten anywhere in the Oldest House if it wasn't for Ahti.. If he had been locked here during the events of Control...
@@rivetingrogueAhti is presumably the same Finnish God Ahti/Ahto from the folk poems. So I suppose him being a written character makes speak as if written not as one would speak.
You know, when i saw it, that probably was the scariest moment in fiction. When a character who looks like a janitor, has more power than fbc director, say such things, you know that something is really wrong
When I first see this my heart just broke. Always had the suspicion, Ahti not belong here and this scene comfirmed it, and tell us something realy went sideways, he not supposed to be here.Seeing this always cheerful dude full of wits losing his control (intented) just feels awful. Perkele...
There's a theory that since Ahti is very likely a God he's actually inhabiting the body of a regular man and since the story is affecting him this is actually the man who Ahti is possessing's words
Ahti isn't a god, but another paracausal entity like Hedron or the Dark. Its omniscient alright, but whatever The Darkness is doing, it's sapping his power, dragging everything with it.
@@SSD_PenumbraThis is kind of close to my interpretation as well. Interestingly, in the Dark Place, Ahti is aware and is completely fine with written into the story by Alan, but here, he is confused and lost. It's not very clear the effect that the dark place's reality altering abilities has on other paranatural beings/places. We know that Door essentially has free reign to go anywhere and do whatever in the dark place, and that he only showed up in the manuscripts because he conscious chose to in order to help Saga. We also know that Alan at least played a part in causing the Hiss invasion, and getting Polaris to commune with Jesse. Very interesting.
@@SSD_Penumbra I don't see how anything you described disproves that Ahti or any of the other entities are gods. What makes a god? Outside the concept of a monotheistic world with a single omnipotent entity, where is the line drawn? When can an ancient entity of great knowledge and awesome power be considered a god? Didn't mean to get all philosophical here. I just don't know if we should be so dismissive of the term. The Elder Scrolls game series has so many types of entities in its lore that are considered gods, but all have unique origins, and yet truly are in their own right deities.
@@Arkatox Because the gods of the elder scrolls actually exist. There's nothing in the Remedyverse to suggest that higher powers actually exist, outside of super high-level paranautilists like Wake or Hedron. Chances are that Ahti is one of these insanely powerful entities like Hedron from Control.
About "George" credit to u/DevilahJake on Reddit. "In regards to "The Source" or Progenitor 1 as I've been calling it in my head for awhile now I believe it goes back much further than Zane. Sam has done a very good job of tying the story very close to our own reality and we've been getting hints for a long time. Nightingale gives us a clue to remember "Hemmingway..." Nightingale drops a lot of author names over the course of our adventure but Hemmingway always stood out to me as I've seen him associated with Nightingales/Muses in the past. Alan himself in this game says in regards to the story that "It's an Arms Race". Hemmingway himself famously wrote "A Farewell to Arms" which is theorized to be a name he conscripted from one George Peele a Poet from the mid to late 1500s who wrote a Poem by the same name. "A Farewell to Arms" In the nursing home Ahti speaks of someone named George when Saga idles near him (in his bedroom I believe). "The Blackstuff on the ground... George. I'll have to clean him up soon" George Peele himself "is most noted for his supposed but not universally accepted collaboration with William Shakespeare on the play Titus Andronicus" [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George\_Peele](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Peele) Titus Andronicus "is thought to be Shakespeare's first tragedy and is often seen as his attempt to emulate the violent and bloody revenge plays of his contemporaries."[en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus\_Andronicus](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus_Andronicus) Later when Alan speaks to Ahti about opening the door to his writers room in Valhalla nursing home, if Alan Idles near Ahti after he opens the door. Ahti tells Alan that "I'll be mopping the floor soon after." Implying Alan and "George" will share the same fate which is poignant considering the fate that awaits Alan behind the door. A story built by Giants who borrow off the backs of other Giants if ever there was. Sam Lake seems to be building an EPIC (pun intended) that may have the legs stand beside the Kalevala itself or atleast add to it in furtherance of Finnish culture and art. But to me this all plays into the notion that the Dark Presence has been affecting writers throughout history for as long as we can remember. They're intrinsically tied together because they all draw from the same well. The Dark Place. A Place for artists. In that sense I do not believe it can actually be destroyed and at some point the loop/spiral will begin again but it will probably still be different. Pardon the extra theory craft but I've been having fun with this one lately and I'm always happy to be wrong since I got to learn along the way. I know the connections are mostly light and tangential but it made for a fun deep dive regardless. I'm sure just as many connections could be spun out from Stephen King and the rest."
I think it's just another Ahti-ism, a Finnish expression translated directly. You'll note it's not capitalized in the subtitles. The Finnish translation of "George" is "Yrjö", used for monarch names and the like. Yrjö is also a Finnish colloquialism for "vomit". He's saying there's puke all over the floor.
DevilahJake went full conspiracy theorist from the name George and misremembering Ahti's lines in-game. Nightingale was literally just repeating his own lines from the first game. The "Yrjö" thing makes way more sense. Sometimes it ain't that deep.
@3ndlessL00p I agree. I think the whole thing is actually very simple in that Ahti was on vacation in Watery and Alan had visions of him as he did Saga and Casey and wrote him into the story. He probably wrote him to have dementia as he would need a reason for Ahti to stay at the nursing home which would explain Ahti's confusion. It is interesting that Alan would have the ability to control Ahti like that and obviously there can be a lot more to this whole thing, but that seems to be the gist of it, imo I just love all the crazy theories and reading what everyone has come up with even if I don't agree with all of them.
I think that alan made him a character. Ahti, being some powerful creature understands it, but can't do anything because of the story. This scene made me really hate alan for a moment. Perfectly shows how is it - to play with lives
Actually, for me it sounds like these words don't belong to Ahti, but belong to Alan. Or Ahti is the first artist (cause the real actor of Ahti is a singer also), or one of the first
Seeing this made me uncomfortable. Seeing Ahti being this when we spent a time with him in control and see him this broken I think this just shows how powerful Alan is. The hiss was incapable of affecting Ahti but Alan is with his writing. How strong is Alan actually when utilizing his writing to his full extent? Can he fully rewrite reality?
Alan being brought back from the dark place, brought the dark place with him. As we know, Alan can't affect reality in the real world to the extent he can in the dark place. Because he came back from the dark place, but brought it with him, it's beginning to affect reality in a localized space. If the events from "Return" fully play out, then the dark place would essentially be able to affect reality in realtime entirely. That's why beings like Ahti, Mr. Door and the Anderson's are even being affected by it while they are aware of it's affects and what's causing those ripples. This is why everyone remembers Saga and Logan dying, even though that's not reality. You can see these affects are local through Saga's phone calls. Her daughter is alive, and her husband managed to save her after she slipped in the bathroom, but after that point, her reception distorts and can't connect anymore. The cult of the word becoming the cult of the tree, so many small hints that reality was being distorted the moment Alan/Mr. Scratch came out of cauldren lake, the rising water from the lake is literally the power from the dark place increasing. Can't wait to see how the dlc and new game plus will affect the current spiral loop we're in
Yep Alan wrote in ahti showing he has control over nigh omniscient beings which even the hiss couldn’t do The very fact is he is in bright fall and doesn’t know how meaning he was forced (most likely by Alan wake in a way for him to get help) which shows he’s power But there is something else first time you meant ahti he say “the work will help it’s maker” (close enough) imply maybe ahti is actually fully created by the story not some character manipulated into event but fully created to be a guide
Just think about how there are people out there with sharp minds and characters like Ahti who actually become demented by the end of their lives. The heartbreak is real. 💔
I believe it was stated somewhere that unlike the Old Gods, Ahti has given himself completely to the role of a deity. Maybe this is a glimpse of Ahti the man. But personally, I think this is Ahti the character - a placeholder of sorts - as the real Ahti is busy with Alan on the other side. Another thing of note is that he mentions being lost at sea and the lack of a lighthouse, something very strongly associated with Tom the Poet.
I've noticed like there's two supernatural characters one is guiding us and help us all the time ( ahti) and the other is trying to distract and mislead us all the time (mr.door) i hope they have a further plans for both of them and some explanation for the roles they're playing in this universe
Ahti is a nigh-omniscieny being of incredible power, nothing ever happens that can affect him but at the end of the control DLC he goes on vacation with Tor and Odin but because of the proximity Ahti accidentally got pulled into alans story as an average person, what we are witnessing with Ahti is a 'god' who is being forced to exist as both a god, a mortal, and neither all at yhr same time
I have a gut feeling that, yes, Ahti is powerful but not when outside the confines of the Oldest House, he's affected by the story whereas Tor, Odin and Saga are left untouched, even if the events around them play out.
If the Cauldron Lake AWE is able to keep Ahti tied down... It must leagues more powerful than anyone else can imagine. The Hiss, the Mold, the Board... none of those even fazed him. Whatever is behind The Darkness must make everything else pale in comparison.
For gamers who played quantum break, Ahti can't be a shifter? I mean like martin hatch , cause he is in the dark place and bright falls at the same time and also in the oldest house and watery , i don't know but maybe he is a shifter like martin hatch in quantum break. Being in multiple places at the same time
Yes! Control and Alan Wake are part of a shared universe. If you enjoyed the story of Control, I recommend playing Alan Wake Remastered and Alan Wake 2 for sure. If you replay Control as well afterwards you will understand more of the Alan Wake references. Control 2 (currently in development) will most likely heavily reference Alan Wake, much more than the first game. So if you liked Control and plan to the play the second one, knowing the Alan Wake storyline would help. Could always just watch a story playthrough of the Alan Wake games as well. Both of which are on my channel with playlists for them if you're interested.
If I remember right this is a final draft playthrough, but I don't think it needs to be to get the dialogue. To get the dialogue the lights needed to have gone out, and I think that you need to have not tried to entered the writers room (spiral door) earlier on, but I'm not sure on that. It took me a bit to get it to trigger.
I tried to get it to trigger for a while by reloading saves and trying different things and ended up giving up. It ended up triggering by accident in a second playthrough so I'm not even 100% certain. I know the lights needed to have gone out already and I THINK you need to have not interacted with the spiral door earlier on before the lights went off. Sorry I don't have a clear answer.
@@JimmyDThingi was able to trigger it after interacting with the writers room door. it was after the power went out, before heading to the basement. i took a break to drink tea/vape but didn't pause the game and the dialogue eventually started. there's a few instances in AWII where if you just wait around an NPC they'll say extra lines.
I'm pretty sure Ahti is a Door relative. Probably his full name is Ahti Door. Because he does the same thing as the whole Door family. (it is mentioned somewhere in the game that Door family members can travel between realities anytime, and its mentioned as Door family members, not only Mr. Door)
Nah, Door is a different thing entirely, and I don't think "Door" is his real name, as there's a character in Quantum Break named "Hatch" who has the same abilities.
@@SSD_PenumbraHatch is probably an early draft of the character of Mr Door. Quantum Break is not part of the RCU and the ideas of his characters have certainly been taken up and reworked for the RCU, going from Hatch to Door.
@@SSD_Penumbra I don't want to argue with you, but I still write down my opinion. Quantum Break has nothing to do with "Alan Wake/Control universe", just like Death Rally. Sure, before you argue with this, I know Quantum Break has Alan Wake drawings easter egg on a blackboard. But there are multiple characters, which have different role, like the actress playing Jessy in Control and the actor playing the sheriff in Alan Wake 2 are both in Quantum Break. This is why they couldn't merge the Alan Wake/Control universe with Quantum Break, because these people have entirely different roles. About the Death Rally, yeah, it contains Barry Wheeler (I know him about at least that he's in the game now). It will be still just a cameo appearance.
@@abcd-zd9tu They absolutely do take place in the same universe, albiet a different version of it. The Remedy-verse basically has all of the Remedy games take place along side each other, and Quantum Break is no exception. How do we know this? Simple; Saga and Casey are characters in Quantum Break, played by the same people (Sam Lake voices and models Casey), and the main character of QB has similar paranautical abilities as the other Remedyverse characters (Alan and Jessie). The FBC is also mentioned by name, and Dylan from Control mentions the events of QB during his ramblings. Breaker also references it in HIS ramblings in AW2.
@@SSD_Penumbra I really don't think Quantum Break will ever be revived in the RCU, apart from a few vague references like Max Payne with different names, without ever being able to talk about "canonical events with consequences". If Remedy does not fully have the rights to the trademark, in the RCU they will not use it.
During the events of Control we see him leave for vacation with The Old Gods of Asgard, I feel that his proximity to Bright Falls made Alan pull him into the story as a resident, not realizing/caring that he was only visiting and didn't live there. Ahti being who he is can clearly realize something is wrong as his real home is the Oldest House
Now this right here shows the exceptional power of the parautilitarians, and why he was being considered for the role of director. Controling a supernatural entity like Ahti was not possible for even Hiss, the same Hiss which controlled Jesse and Dylan. I really wanna see Alan in the oldest house man
@@AnimeshTiwari Do you mean Alan? where did you read that Alan was being considered to be the director?
@@Jeanic14it was on one of the notes on brightfalls incident. Was considered canditate but wasent asinged a tag yet unlike p6 and p7
@@Jeanic14Further elaborating on this, Control has some Alan Wake dlc. You get to learn a little more and as the game wasn't even known about at the time, hinted there was going to be another game (Alan Wake 2). It was also genius since they had officially connected the two worlds and are going to continue that. I'd love to see Alan in the Oldest House!
Poor Ahti though.. I'm still not exactly sure who or what he is as his presence was both strange and comforting while playing Control but I loved him nonetheless.
@@Jeanic14 The FBC had many candidates for director (codenamed P), and in between them Alan Wake. P1 to 4 ended up in disappointment (most likely they did the russian roulette test and died), P5 was supposed to be Alan but given his disapperance, the Faden siblings ended up as the next candidates.
Oh this is honestly disturbing. Hearing Ahti, the guy who always knows what's going on and how to fix it, scared and confused like this is really sad and scary. I hope he's okay in control 2.
What if he's not even there because Alan essentially kidnapped him? * Facepalms * Dang it Alan! Now who's gonna help us in the Oldest House!?
@@tarynghostthat’s also something that can happen since the situation is under control at the end. Could have Saga or Alan go to the Oldest House. Just depends where and when they want to play the event of C2!
@@nickandbarry1777 Well, in many aspects Alan is going to get arrested by the FBC because a) he's a parautilitarian, and b) to see if he has any correlation with the increase of AWEs since 2010, which is when he disappeared.
@@dragondelsur5156 I agree! I just don’t know if it’ll be in the events of Control 2. Alan can easily have a reason to go back to the dark place so will prolong his stay there as 1.)Alice is back there 2.) the dlc could drastically change the layout for later entires!
With the events of the final draft, I’m pretty sure Alan may be one of the most powerful beings to exists outside of the board. Seems based on dialogue to have the powers of scratch and potentially something more as he says he’s now the master of light and dark, and all worlds.
I think this must be Ahti having some sort of crisis - he knows he is above the story and is a deity shifting between reality yet he has become locked in one place, in a physical body as a character bound to certain actions
He's a deity? While playing Control, I could never pinpoint who or what he exactly was.
@@tarynghost he is named after a Finnish Sea God and evidently has changed in what he is perceived as between Control and AW2. In Control it’s made clear he IS the janitor of The Oldest House, while in AW2 everyone thinks he is a nutty old guy who thinks he is a janitor. There’s also a manuscript page describing him taking the water of Cauldron Lake and putting it in the janitors bucket to create the spillages that allow you to switch between Alan and Saga.
@@penguinproductions8829 Oh? That's interesting. I think I may have missed that manuscript? Or if it's in Final Draft, I've just started it! ...on nightmare mode..... Why I do this to myself, I'll never know.
@@tarynghost it’s in The Final Draft :)
@@tarynghost I started The Final Draft on hard. (Had done NG on normal.) Partway through, I heeded the advice of a random Reddit comment and bumped it up to nightmare. You're just too powerful with all the upgrades for hard to remain as engaging as it should be. :)
(Perkele kun sotketaan joka paikka) Damn this messing up of the whole place
(Kuulkaapa nyt mikä..) Hold up, what..
(Mitäs, mikä paikka tämä on?) Wait, what place is this?
(Voi helvetti soikoon) Fucking hell
(Tämä ei ole minun koti) This isn't my home
(Minä haluan..) I want to..
(Ei saatana. Ei saatana!) Shit, shit, shit!
(Voi jumalauta) God damn it
Thank you!
Oh! Thank you for the translations! It's so interesting that he realizes where he is feels so wrong. Equally interesting, as someone in the comments pointed out, that not even the hiss could control Ahti but Alan has.
That's a scary thought considering we never would have gotten anywhere in the Oldest House if it wasn't for Ahti.. If he had been locked here during the events of Control...
Elder god has flashback of his previous, ordinary life.
Thank you for the translation! Any insight on why he's using standard Finnish instead of spoken Finnish? Or could it just be a screenplay thing?
@@rivetingrogueAhti is presumably the same Finnish God Ahti/Ahto from the folk poems. So I suppose him being a written character makes speak as if written not as one would speak.
To Saga this seems like something an old man with dementia would say, but we know it’s worse than that.
You know, when i saw it, that probably was the scariest moment in fiction. When a character who looks like a janitor, has more power than fbc director, say such things, you know that something is really wrong
When I first see this my heart just broke. Always had the suspicion, Ahti not belong here and this scene comfirmed it, and tell us something realy went sideways, he not supposed to be here.Seeing this always cheerful dude full of wits losing his control (intented) just feels awful. Perkele...
There's a theory that since Ahti is very likely a God he's actually inhabiting the body of a regular man and since the story is affecting him this is actually the man who Ahti is possessing's words
That's pretty interesting.
Ahti isn't a god, but another paracausal entity like Hedron or the Dark. Its omniscient alright, but whatever The Darkness is doing, it's sapping his power, dragging everything with it.
@@SSD_PenumbraThis is kind of close to my interpretation as well. Interestingly, in the Dark Place, Ahti is aware and is completely fine with written into the story by Alan, but here, he is confused and lost. It's not very clear the effect that the dark place's reality altering abilities has on other paranatural beings/places. We know that Door essentially has free reign to go anywhere and do whatever in the dark place, and that he only showed up in the manuscripts because he conscious chose to in order to help Saga. We also know that Alan at least played a part in causing the Hiss invasion, and getting Polaris to commune with Jesse. Very interesting.
@@SSD_Penumbra I don't see how anything you described disproves that Ahti or any of the other entities are gods. What makes a god? Outside the concept of a monotheistic world with a single omnipotent entity, where is the line drawn? When can an ancient entity of great knowledge and awesome power be considered a god?
Didn't mean to get all philosophical here. I just don't know if we should be so dismissive of the term. The Elder Scrolls game series has so many types of entities in its lore that are considered gods, but all have unique origins, and yet truly are in their own right deities.
@@Arkatox Because the gods of the elder scrolls actually exist.
There's nothing in the Remedyverse to suggest that higher powers actually exist, outside of super high-level paranautilists like Wake or Hedron.
Chances are that Ahti is one of these insanely powerful entities like Hedron from Control.
About "George" credit to u/DevilahJake on Reddit.
"In regards to "The Source" or Progenitor 1 as I've been calling it in my head for awhile now I believe it goes back much further than Zane. Sam has done a very good job of tying the story very close to our own reality and we've been getting hints for a long time.
Nightingale gives us a clue to remember "Hemmingway..."
Nightingale drops a lot of author names over the course of our adventure but Hemmingway always stood out to me as I've seen him associated with Nightingales/Muses in the past.
Alan himself in this game says in regards to the story that "It's an Arms Race". Hemmingway himself famously wrote "A Farewell to Arms" which is theorized to be a name he conscripted from one George Peele a Poet from the mid to late 1500s who wrote a Poem by the same name. "A Farewell to Arms"
In the nursing home Ahti speaks of someone named George when Saga idles near him (in his bedroom I believe). "The Blackstuff on the ground... George. I'll have to clean him up soon"
George Peele himself "is most noted for his supposed but not universally accepted collaboration with William Shakespeare on the play Titus Andronicus" [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George\_Peele](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Peele)
Titus Andronicus "is thought to be Shakespeare's first tragedy and is often seen as his attempt to emulate the violent and bloody revenge plays of his contemporaries."[en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus\_Andronicus](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus_Andronicus)
Later when Alan speaks to Ahti about opening the door to his writers room in Valhalla nursing home, if Alan Idles near Ahti after he opens the door. Ahti tells Alan that "I'll be mopping the floor soon after." Implying Alan and "George" will share the same fate which is poignant considering the fate that awaits Alan behind the door.
A story built by Giants who borrow off the backs of other Giants if ever there was. Sam Lake seems to be building an EPIC (pun intended) that may have the legs stand beside the Kalevala itself or atleast add to it in furtherance of Finnish culture and art.
But to me this all plays into the notion that the Dark Presence has been affecting writers throughout history for as long as we can remember. They're intrinsically tied together because they all draw from the same well. The Dark Place. A Place for artists. In that sense I do not believe it can actually be destroyed and at some point the loop/spiral will begin again but it will probably still be different.
Pardon the extra theory craft but I've been having fun with this one lately and I'm always happy to be wrong since I got to learn along the way. I know the connections are mostly light and tangential but it made for a fun deep dive regardless. I'm sure just as many connections could be spun out from Stephen King and the rest."
It’s just possible that the loophole is even deeper. We have Norse gods in the story.
I think it's just another Ahti-ism, a Finnish expression translated directly. You'll note it's not capitalized in the subtitles.
The Finnish translation of "George" is "Yrjö", used for monarch names and the like. Yrjö is also a Finnish colloquialism for "vomit". He's saying there's puke all over the floor.
DevilahJake went full conspiracy theorist from the name George and misremembering Ahti's lines in-game. Nightingale was literally just repeating his own lines from the first game.
The "Yrjö" thing makes way more sense. Sometimes it ain't that deep.
@3ndlessL00p I agree. I think the whole thing is actually very simple in that Ahti was on vacation in Watery and Alan had visions of him as he did Saga and Casey and wrote him into the story. He probably wrote him to have dementia as he would need a reason for Ahti to stay at the nursing home which would explain Ahti's confusion. It is interesting that Alan would have the ability to control Ahti like that and obviously there can be a lot more to this whole thing, but that seems to be the gist of it, imo
I just love all the crazy theories and reading what everyone has come up with even if I don't agree with all of them.
Haha I love how deep you went with this interpretation. But yea it's definitely just "george = yrjö = vomit"
That's weird, he seems to be referring to the lighthouse and the storm from the opening of the first game
Is he also trapped in the dark place?
also is the thomas zane song "lost at sea"
I think that alan made him a character. Ahti, being some powerful creature understands it, but can't do anything because of the story. This scene made me really hate alan for a moment. Perfectly shows how is it - to play with lives
Actually, for me it sounds like these words don't belong to Ahti, but belong to Alan. Or Ahti is the first artist (cause the real actor of Ahti is a singer also), or one of the first
Seeing this made me uncomfortable. Seeing Ahti being this when we spent a time with him in control and see him this broken I think this just shows how powerful Alan is. The hiss was incapable of affecting Ahti but Alan is with his writing. How strong is Alan actually when utilizing his writing to his full extent? Can he fully rewrite reality?
Disturbung stuff. Definitely not that wise and calm Ahti we used to.
I'll be seeing you all in a few years when Control 2 comes out, and this finally makes sense
I may be wrong but either the Dark Place messed up with his memory, or he knows of whatever mess will happen in Control 2.
Alan being brought back from the dark place, brought the dark place with him. As we know, Alan can't affect reality in the real world to the extent he can in the dark place. Because he came back from the dark place, but brought it with him, it's beginning to affect reality in a localized space. If the events from "Return" fully play out, then the dark place would essentially be able to affect reality in realtime entirely. That's why beings like Ahti, Mr. Door and the Anderson's are even being affected by it while they are aware of it's affects and what's causing those ripples. This is why everyone remembers Saga and Logan dying, even though that's not reality. You can see these affects are local through Saga's phone calls. Her daughter is alive, and her husband managed to save her after she slipped in the bathroom, but after that point, her reception distorts and can't connect anymore. The cult of the word becoming the cult of the tree, so many small hints that reality was being distorted the moment Alan/Mr. Scratch came out of cauldren lake, the rising water from the lake is literally the power from the dark place increasing. Can't wait to see how the dlc and new game plus will affect the current spiral loop we're in
I don't think I have the energy to expand on this, but I believe this scene may be indicative of just how powerful Alan Wake actually is
Yep Alan wrote in ahti showing he has control over nigh omniscient beings which even the hiss couldn’t do
The very fact is he is in bright fall and doesn’t know how meaning he was forced (most likely by Alan wake in a way for him to get help) which shows he’s power
But there is something else first time you meant ahti he say “the work will help it’s maker” (close enough) imply maybe ahti is actually fully created by the story not some character manipulated into event but fully created to be a guide
his dialog feels related to the new old gods of asgards song, sea of night: which itself feels like a teaser of whats to come
Ahti sounds alot like me during a very drunk eve
I just like the way he talks
Just think about how there are people out there with sharp minds and characters like Ahti who actually become demented by the end of their lives. The heartbreak is real. 💔
I believe it was stated somewhere that unlike the Old Gods, Ahti has given himself completely to the role of a deity.
Maybe this is a glimpse of Ahti the man.
But personally, I think this is Ahti the character - a placeholder of sorts - as the real Ahti is busy with Alan on the other side.
Another thing of note is that he mentions being lost at sea and the lack of a lighthouse, something very strongly associated with Tom the Poet.
I stand by my ocean view hotel theory. Ahti and Mr Door are connected to the room with a square symbol on it. The symbol that looks like a door.
I've noticed like there's two supernatural characters one is guiding us and help us all the time ( ahti) and the other is trying to distract and mislead us all the time (mr.door) i hope they have a further plans for both of them and some explanation for the roles they're playing in this universe
If only Ahti drank some of that Anderson cauldron lake brew, maybe he'd be more aware and above of the story
You Can see Ahti in quantum break to
I feel like this could actually be him being affected by the story and he’s trying to fight the thoughts
Ahti is a nigh-omniscieny being of incredible power, nothing ever happens that can affect him but at the end of the control DLC he goes on vacation with Tor and Odin but because of the proximity Ahti accidentally got pulled into alans story as an average person, what we are witnessing with Ahti is a 'god' who is being forced to exist as both a god, a mortal, and neither all at yhr same time
I have a gut feeling that, yes, Ahti is powerful but not when outside the confines of the Oldest House, he's affected by the story whereas Tor, Odin and Saga are left untouched, even if the events around them play out.
It seems like something bad its going to happen
Guess he’s been on vacation too long…
poor guy :-(
If the Cauldron Lake AWE is able to keep Ahti tied down... It must leagues more powerful than anyone else can imagine. The Hiss, the Mold, the Board... none of those even fazed him. Whatever is behind The Darkness must make everything else pale in comparison.
it is not a lake, it is an ocean, and Ahti is a sea god, so maybe the dark place is a threshold that could imprison Ahti.
It might be that this person is possessed by a god.
In finnish he says almost the same things. Except he curses in finnish.
Nah he's just got piss in his socks
For gamers who played quantum break, Ahti can't be a shifter? I mean like martin hatch , cause he is in the dark place and bright falls at the same time and also in the oldest house and watery , i don't know but maybe he is a shifter like martin hatch in quantum break. Being in multiple places at the same time
Wait, isn't Ahti the janitor you meet at the beginning of the game Control?
Yes! Control and Alan Wake are part of a shared universe. If you enjoyed the story of Control, I recommend playing Alan Wake Remastered and Alan Wake 2 for sure. If you replay Control as well afterwards you will understand more of the Alan Wake references. Control 2 (currently in development) will most likely heavily reference Alan Wake, much more than the first game. So if you liked Control and plan to the play the second one, knowing the Alan Wake storyline would help.
Could always just watch a story playthrough of the Alan Wake games as well. Both of which are on my channel with playlists for them if you're interested.
Is this your first playthrough? Or New Game + (Final Draft)?
If I remember right this is a final draft playthrough, but I don't think it needs to be to get the dialogue. To get the dialogue the lights needed to have gone out, and I think that you need to have not tried to entered the writers room (spiral door) earlier on, but I'm not sure on that. It took me a bit to get it to trigger.
How/when do you trigger this?
I tried to get it to trigger for a while by reloading saves and trying different things and ended up giving up. It ended up triggering by accident in a second playthrough so I'm not even 100% certain. I know the lights needed to have gone out already and I THINK you need to have not interacted with the spiral door earlier on before the lights went off. Sorry I don't have a clear answer.
@@Leth1ferous that makes sense. I've never not interacted with the spiral door.
@@JimmyDThingi was able to trigger it after interacting with the writers room door. it was after the power went out, before heading to the basement. i took a break to drink tea/vape but didn't pause the game and the dialogue eventually started. there's a few instances in AWII where if you just wait around an NPC they'll say extra lines.
I'm pretty sure Ahti is a Door relative. Probably his full name is Ahti Door. Because he does the same thing as the whole Door family. (it is mentioned somewhere in the game that Door family members can travel between realities anytime, and its mentioned as Door family members, not only Mr. Door)
Nah, Door is a different thing entirely, and I don't think "Door" is his real name, as there's a character in Quantum Break named "Hatch" who has the same abilities.
@@SSD_PenumbraHatch is probably an early draft of the character of Mr Door. Quantum Break is not part of the RCU and the ideas of his characters have certainly been taken up and reworked for the RCU, going from Hatch to Door.
@@SSD_Penumbra I don't want to argue with you, but I still write down my opinion.
Quantum Break has nothing to do with "Alan Wake/Control universe", just like Death Rally.
Sure, before you argue with this, I know Quantum Break has Alan Wake drawings easter egg on a blackboard. But there are multiple characters, which have different role, like the actress playing Jessy in Control and the actor playing the sheriff in Alan Wake 2 are both in Quantum Break. This is why they couldn't merge the Alan Wake/Control universe with Quantum Break, because these people have entirely different roles.
About the Death Rally, yeah, it contains Barry Wheeler (I know him about at least that he's in the game now). It will be still just a cameo appearance.
@@abcd-zd9tu They absolutely do take place in the same universe, albiet a different version of it.
The Remedy-verse basically has all of the Remedy games take place along side each other, and Quantum Break is no exception. How do we know this? Simple; Saga and Casey are characters in Quantum Break, played by the same people (Sam Lake voices and models Casey), and the main character of QB has similar paranautical abilities as the other Remedyverse characters (Alan and Jessie). The FBC is also mentioned by name, and Dylan from Control mentions the events of QB during his ramblings. Breaker also references it in HIS ramblings in AW2.
@@SSD_Penumbra I really don't think Quantum Break will ever be revived in the RCU, apart from a few vague references like Max Payne with different names, without ever being able to talk about "canonical events with consequences". If Remedy does not fully have the rights to the trademark, in the RCU they will not use it.