Just picked up a Rossi RS22M a couple of weeks ago and I will be going way down south to a friend's property near Temecula, CA were he has 20 acres with rifle ranges from 100 yards to 600 yards in increments of 100 yards. We will be shooting my my Rossi RS22M, Tan, 16" barrel against his CZ .22 Mag Semi Auto rifle with wood stock, not sure of the barrel length but the price of the CZ is double plus of the Rossi RS22M. And may the best rifle, regardless of price, be the Winner!
The .22 WMR actually gets its full velocity in only 13.5-14" of barrel, which I love about it. I have an RS22M and an RB22M, both with 14" barrels and suppressors, and they are fantastic. Great guns in a great calibre.
@@stevewells5493 The bolt action for hunting, the semi-auto for having fun at the range. The semi will jam occasionally, even with good ammo, but the bolt action is confidence-inspiring and very accurate. I wouldn't sell either of them.
Excellent test........have always wondered about bbl length on 22WMR. I shoot this cartridge a lot, own two different rifles, and now want the semi auto Rossi. Well done. Thanks.
Out standing video - I'm right on the fence about getting that Rossi semi auto - really tempted after seeing your video. Thank you very much !!! Mark C. from Southern Texas !!
I've never owned a 22 mag but I've been around a few over the years and I don't think I've ever seen one shoot a group like that! Wow that's some good shooting right there
Check out the Savage B22 Magnum Precision videos they were getting some pretty tight groups at 50 yard. Going to be my next rifle if I can get one hear in Canada.
@@hiltonmcconnell2563I can hole through hole at 50 yards that’s simple. My problem is these drop way too much at 100 and it doesn’t make sense. Out every weekend trying, won’t ever happen
Thanks from Downunder. I just put up a deposit while waiting for my PTA on a 22WMR Bolt action TRAKR version (same but tac' stock) which seems a bargain at $395 Aussie bucks with a 3-9x40 scope fitted. Liked the gun when Walk with Al just featured it and your hard work gives me even more confidence in my choice for a Fox/Bunny gun Probably also get a RB22 LR ( called 8122 in Australia) for quiet plinking and the club target range with cheaper ammo, and maybe swap stocks.
Very interesting, after having been told that semi-automatic action effects velocities for 45 years.....let alone the barrel lenghth. Definitively will remember in 22wmr it's a non-issue
I wont lie I was just as shocked as I think everyone else after doing this video. I also re-shot these loads off camera with the same results to just make sure it wasn't a fluke. The numbers were spot on to whats shown in the review. pretty crazy, my guess is that there just isn't enough powder in that small case to take advantage of anything over a 16" barrel. Thanks for watching and don forget to sub!
Good review, a 16 inch barrel makes so much sense for 22WMR given full burn has been achieved by ~ 14-15 inches. Just picked up a CZ512 for rabbits and foxes.
Great review. I'm wanting the rs22m , just called rossi just to see what their CS was like. After 11 minutes of just music I understand- they don't have customer service. You cover the barrels and ammo great, thanks. Now- do I want to gamble I won't need their CS!
I did have to use their CS on one of their 357 lever guns and it was a very nice experience. Took my information and sent me a call tag and I had the rifle back in a month so no complaints. But yeah 11min on hold is a little ridiculous.. Appreciate ya watching!
Appreciate the shoutout. I'm really surprised as well that the 16" barrel achieved virtually the same velocity as the 21". What's interesting though is that in my velocity test, I achieved notably higher velocity from both the Maxi Mags and the Hornady. I don't know if that's the difference between one lot of ammunition and another, the eviromental difference between location/elevation/temperature/humidity, a difference between our two chrono's (which are the same chrono), or a combination of all 3. Perfect timing on the video though- I'm sitting here sipping coffee about to load up the Durango to go make a gel video and hopefully a long range video with the RS22M today...
Yeah, it's so hard to say with rimfire ammunition. Their loadings are so all over the place as far as consistency under normal conditions it's probably a small combination of all three. Be neat to get together sometime to test them side by side, lol. Awesome! Can't wait to check it out. I'm gonna have to get mine out to 150 and see how it does also. Thanks for watching!
@@TheHide Yeah we're not too far apart if I remember correctly (Indiana/Ohio?), so that should definately be doable at some point if you would like to. I took the rifle out to 300 yards yesterday, but it was all over the place shooting probably about a 4ft group at 300. Either that 30rg bullet is tumbling long range (doubt it), or my scope went kerbonkers. I'm taking it out again soon with a confirmed good scope to see what happens. If it's the bullet, then I guess I'll have to switch to 40gr for long range even though they're not as accurate from my rifle. I'm really thinking it's the scope though because it has been put through about 50 or more 12 guage slugs including magnums lol. Lesson learned if so...
Yeah, shoot me an email at dixienormous5614@aol.com or message me on my FB page facebook.com/ThaHide and we can set something up! Ah yeah that true could definitely be a scope issue. I'd be interested to see if my results at 150 would compare to the results you showed at 150 using the factory barrel length... I only have 210yrds at my place but may have to give it a go out that far also... Ammo really is the deciding factor it seems. The most consistent load for me has been that Hornady load, but out that far wind will for sure come into play.
@@TheHide I don't have FB so I will email you. All I know is that I can shoot .22lr 300 yards no problem, so my .22mag should be able to do the same lol. I would definately like to see what results you can get at 150 & 200. Your rifle doesn't seem to be as picky about the ammo like mine, though both of ours did shoot the best with the V-Max bullets. I have been having issues with buldged cases from mine though (videos posted a while back), so I don't know if that affects accuracy or not but I don't think so.
This was great information, I just purchased the RB22M, so now I know that my best bet is to buy the Hornady ammo for consistency and grouping plus lots of practice, thanks for doing such a great video 😊👍👏
@@TheHide As a kid in the 60's my dad told me of a test done by the NRA where they cut a long 26 or 28 inch rifle, in 22LR, down to pistol length. Perfectly legal at the time. In the end sweet spot was 16 and something inches. I know large rifles gain a little speed from 22 to 26 but with some of our more advanced powders today I think even their sweet spot is all over the map. I love my 22 inch 25/06 it runs 3300fps with 110s. All I hunt is deer and antelope these days so don't see the need to go poking a 26inch barrel through the bushes any more.
This was very interesting to me as I own a Rossi RS22M and love it aside from the trigger. Mags work great (Savage could learn a thing or two from Rossi) gun feeds, extracts and shoots just lovely. You don't need to say "best for the money" with this rifle. However the price is WAY better than any other .22 mag semi out there. I just may have to cut mine down now. Just for grins have you done anything with torque on the stock screws?
Excellent video. I know it would probably be redundant, but I would be interested to see the velocity and grouping of these 2 rifles once you shorten the barrel on the bolt action rifle. Another idea, and it could be incorporated into that video, is to show your method for shortening that barrel, and how you finished it once it was shortened. I subscribed to this channel today btw.
Very interesting results. When you think of .22lr or magnum, they are designed to shoot from both rifles and pistols of all types of actions and barrel lengths. Looks like after 16", the only thing a longer barrel MAY do is increase accuracy. Nice video, thanks.
I don’t care about capacity to awful much in a 22 mag auto, 10 is plenty. But a factory 16ish barrel with a 15-20 round mag would be a formidable home defense rifle for someone on a budget.
@@hotrodglock Mine has a 14" barrel and a suppressor. The .22 Magnum gets its full velocity in about 13.5", so there's no drop in power or accuracy. A 15 or 20 round magazine would probably be much less reliable. I just carry another four 10 round magazines on my plate carrier. They're cheap, and you can easily stuff them in a pouch or in your pockets.
Great video and some very interesting results. I find that on 22 LR the sweet spot for barrel length seems to be about 16-18 inches, would have thought that 22 mag would have been 18-20 inches but apparently not. I wonder how this would carry over to 17 HMR or 17 WSM? Great info, thanks for documenting this so well!
Very true, i would have thought the same.. Thats interesting, I wish I had the guns and ammo to try try the test in 17cal that would a fun one. Thanks for watching!
He did not use a 18" barrel ant from what I have seen that is where you get max velocity. Looking at getting a Savage B22 Magnum Precision it comes with a 18" barrel will have to get out and test it when it comes. The chart I looked at used 5 different rounds and showed the 18" barrel gave the highest velocity.
my understanding using the 40 grain that the max velocity was had in a 18" barrel. Should get a Savage B22 Magnum that comes with a 18" barrel and give it a try, you might gain some velocity. The chart I looked showed that any thing over 18" would slow them down a bit. and under 18 (16") is what the used they were also going slower than in the 18" barre.. going to have to get me a cromatograph.
Interesting. Paul Harrell did a similar test with .22lr 16, 19, 22 inch barrels and the 16 inch was faster or basically the same as the longer barrels. Looks like .22 mag is similar.
Thanks I was wondering if that shorter length allowed for the complete burn and it looks as if it does. I want to take mine and have it threaded for my suppressor, but now seeing that the chop job has no real effect on velocity I may have at least 4 inches lopped off to compensate for the suppressor being added to the end. I'll need to measure the suppressor to see how long it is as i may have to chop the full 4.75 inches off. Anyway, thanks for the video.
@@TheHide yes I know but it's not the first time I've heard someone talk about rimfire like there is a choice between factory and handloads. Sorry to bring it up my friend.
Might not want to cut that much, so quickly, I would cut it one inch at a time see if you get more accuracy out of it. Might find accuracy node somewhere between 16 1/2 and 24
A heavier load would reveal the difference between the barrel lengths. There's enough powder in that case to launch a 50 or 55 grain bullet. The lighter bullets are leaving leaving the barrel before the powder is all burned. In my 21 inch barrel I actually got more speed with the 50 grain than with the 40 grain. With an 18 inch barrel the 40 grain was faster. It's all about burn rate. Rim-fire ammo tends to burn slower than center-fire. So keeping the bullet in the barrel longer produces more muzzle energy.
Just picked up a Rossi RS22M a couple of weeks ago and I will be going way down south to a friend's property near Temecula, CA were he has 20 acres with rifle ranges from 100 yards to 600 yards in increments of 100 yards. We will be shooting my my Rossi RS22M, Tan, 16" barrel against his CZ .22 Mag Semi Auto rifle with wood stock, not sure of the barrel length but the price of the CZ is double plus of the Rossi RS22M. And may the best rifle, regardless of price, be the Winner!
The .22 WMR actually gets its full velocity in only 13.5-14" of barrel, which I love about it. I have an RS22M and an RB22M, both with 14" barrels and suppressors, and they are fantastic. Great guns in a great calibre.
Which would you prefer, the RS22M or the RB22M and why?
@@stevewells5493 The bolt action for hunting, the semi-auto for having fun at the range. The semi will jam occasionally, even with good ammo, but the bolt action is confidence-inspiring and very accurate. I wouldn't sell either of them.
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@@bryantbutlermf What are you referring to?
Thank you for the video. This is the only video I have seen with actual barrel length velocity numbers on 22 WMR.
Appreciate ya watching!!
Excellent test........have always wondered about bbl length on 22WMR. I shoot this cartridge a lot, own two different rifles, and now want the semi auto Rossi. Well done. Thanks.
Appreciate ya watching!!
Out standing video - I'm right on the fence about getting that Rossi semi auto - really tempted after seeing your video. Thank you very much !!! Mark C. from Southern Texas !!
They are hard to beat for the money, Thanks for wathcing!
Thanks just got the semiauto will definitely be cutting it down to 16 . Was worried about velocity loss , but see that's not a problem. Cheers
Thanks for watching!
I've never owned a 22 mag but I've been around a few over the years and I don't think I've ever seen one shoot a group like that!
Wow that's some good shooting right there
Thanks for watching!
Check out the Savage B22 Magnum Precision videos they were getting some pretty tight groups at 50 yard. Going to be my next rifle if I can get one hear in Canada.
@@hiltonmcconnell2563I can hole through hole at 50 yards that’s simple. My problem is these drop way too much at 100 and it doesn’t make sense. Out every weekend trying, won’t ever happen
well i really thought just the difference between semi vs bolt would be a bigger number difference little lone barrel length
Thanks from Downunder. I just put up a deposit while waiting for my PTA on a 22WMR Bolt action TRAKR version (same but tac' stock) which seems a bargain at $395 Aussie bucks with a 3-9x40 scope fitted. Liked the gun when Walk with Al just featured it and your hard work gives me even more confidence in my choice for a Fox/Bunny gun
Probably also get a RB22 LR ( called 8122 in Australia) for quiet plinking and the club target range with cheaper ammo, and maybe swap stocks.
Very interesting, after having been told that semi-automatic action effects velocities for 45 years.....let alone the barrel lenghth. Definitively will remember in 22wmr it's a non-issue
I wont lie I was just as shocked as I think everyone else after doing this video. I also re-shot these loads off camera with the same results to just make sure it wasn't a fluke. The numbers were spot on to whats shown in the review. pretty crazy, my guess is that there just isn't enough powder in that small case to take advantage of anything over a 16" barrel. Thanks for watching and don forget to sub!
Paul Harrel did a barrel length test of 22 rimfire and found the same 16” length sweet spot.
Good review, a 16 inch barrel makes so much sense for 22WMR given full burn has been achieved by ~ 14-15 inches. Just picked up a CZ512 for rabbits and foxes.
Great review. I'm wanting the rs22m , just called rossi just to see what their CS was like. After 11 minutes of just music I understand- they don't have customer service. You cover the barrels and ammo great, thanks. Now- do I want to gamble I won't need their CS!
I did have to use their CS on one of their 357 lever guns and it was a very nice experience. Took my information and sent me a call tag and I had the rifle back in a month so no complaints. But yeah 11min on hold is a little ridiculous.. Appreciate ya watching!
Thanks! Now we know!!!!
That extra barrel length is just more weight to be carrying around.
Yeah it sure was a lot more in line with each other than I would have thought. Thanks for watching!
Appreciate the shoutout. I'm really surprised as well that the 16" barrel achieved virtually the same velocity as the 21". What's interesting though is that in my velocity test, I achieved notably higher velocity from both the Maxi Mags and the Hornady. I don't know if that's the difference between one lot of ammunition and another, the eviromental difference between location/elevation/temperature/humidity, a difference between our two chrono's (which are the same chrono), or a combination of all 3.
Perfect timing on the video though- I'm sitting here sipping coffee about to load up the Durango to go make a gel video and hopefully a long range video with the RS22M today...
Yeah, it's so hard to say with rimfire ammunition. Their loadings are so all over the place as far as consistency under normal conditions it's probably a small combination of all three. Be neat to get together sometime to test them side by side, lol.
Awesome! Can't wait to check it out. I'm gonna have to get mine out to 150 and see how it does also. Thanks for watching!
@@TheHide Yeah we're not too far apart if I remember correctly (Indiana/Ohio?), so that should definately be doable at some point if you would like to. I took the rifle out to 300 yards yesterday, but it was all over the place shooting probably about a 4ft group at 300. Either that 30rg bullet is tumbling long range (doubt it), or my scope went kerbonkers. I'm taking it out again soon with a confirmed good scope to see what happens. If it's the bullet, then I guess I'll have to switch to 40gr for long range even though they're not as accurate from my rifle. I'm really thinking it's the scope though because it has been put through about 50 or more 12 guage slugs including magnums lol. Lesson learned if so...
Yeah, shoot me an email at dixienormous5614@aol.com or message me on my FB page facebook.com/ThaHide and we can set something up!
Ah yeah that true could definitely be a scope issue. I'd be interested to see if my results at 150 would compare to the results you showed at 150 using the factory barrel length... I only have 210yrds at my place but may have to give it a go out that far also... Ammo really is the deciding factor it seems. The most consistent load for me has been that Hornady load, but out that far wind will for sure come into play.
@@TheHide I don't have FB so I will email you. All I know is that I can shoot .22lr 300 yards no problem, so my .22mag should be able to do the same lol. I would definately like to see what results you can get at 150 & 200. Your rifle doesn't seem to be as picky about the ammo like mine, though both of ours did shoot the best with the V-Max bullets. I have been having issues with buldged cases from mine though (videos posted a while back), so I don't know if that affects accuracy or not but I don't think so.
This was great information, I just purchased the RB22M, so now I know that my best bet is to buy the Hornady ammo for consistency and grouping plus lots of practice, thanks for doing such a great video 😊👍👏
Yeah the Hornady ammo performs very well out of this gun. The CCI for general plinking and shooting. Thanks for watching!
@@TheHide As a kid in the 60's my dad told me of a test done by the NRA where they cut a long 26 or 28 inch rifle, in 22LR, down to pistol length. Perfectly legal at the time. In the end sweet spot was 16 and something inches. I know large rifles gain a little speed from 22 to 26 but with some of our more advanced powders today I think even their sweet spot is all over the map. I love my 22 inch 25/06 it runs 3300fps with 110s. All I hunt is deer and antelope these days so don't see the need to go poking a 26inch barrel through the bushes any more.
This was very interesting to me as I own a Rossi RS22M and love it aside from the trigger. Mags work great (Savage could learn a thing or two from Rossi) gun feeds, extracts and shoots just lovely. You don't need to say "best for the money" with this rifle. However the price is WAY better than any other .22 mag semi out there. I just may have to cut mine down now. Just for grins have you done anything with torque on the stock screws?
Excellent video........ be well.
Thanks, you do the same!!
Thanks!
Guns and cars videos sold me on it
Good video with surprising results. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
I wish there were bigger magazines for the bolt action..... can't find anything but the standard 5 round.
Excellent video. I know it would probably be redundant, but I would be interested to see the velocity and grouping of these 2 rifles once you shorten the barrel on the bolt action rifle. Another idea, and it could be incorporated into that video, is to show your method for shortening that barrel, and how you finished it once it was shortened. I subscribed to this channel today btw.
Thanks for the sub! I did a write up on the 16.5" gun if you look through the video and find the one titles "upgraded".
The .22 WMR maintains basically the same velocity down to 13.5", so there won't be any noticeable change from shortening it to 16.5".
Very good!
Thank you.
Very interesting results. When you think of .22lr or magnum, they are designed to shoot from both rifles and pistols of all types of actions and barrel lengths. Looks like after 16", the only thing a longer barrel MAY do is increase accuracy. Nice video, thanks.
Thanks, appreciate ya watching!!
be sure to video the barrel chop!!. Whole process. thanks.
That rs22m magazine is massive. You would think it could hold more than 10 rounds.
Oh I totally agree!
It is very sturdy and easy to do quick reloads with, though.
I don’t care about capacity to awful much in a 22 mag auto, 10 is plenty.
But a factory 16ish barrel with a 15-20 round mag would be a formidable home defense rifle for someone on a budget.
@@hotrodglock Mine has a 14" barrel and a suppressor. The .22 Magnum gets its full velocity in about 13.5", so there's no drop in power or accuracy. A 15 or 20 round magazine would probably be much less reliable. I just carry another four 10 round magazines on my plate carrier. They're cheap, and you can easily stuff them in a pouch or in your pockets.
Great video and some very interesting results. I find that on 22 LR the sweet spot for barrel length seems to be about 16-18 inches, would have thought that 22 mag would have been 18-20 inches but apparently not. I wonder how this would carry over to 17 HMR or 17 WSM?
Great info, thanks for documenting this so well!
Very true, i would have thought the same.. Thats interesting, I wish I had the guns and ammo to try try the test in 17cal that would a fun one. Thanks for watching!
He did not use a 18" barrel ant from what I have seen that is where you get max velocity. Looking at getting a Savage B22 Magnum Precision it comes with a 18" barrel will have to get out and test it when it comes. The chart I looked at used 5 different rounds and showed the 18" barrel gave the highest velocity.
Very informative video 👍
my understanding using the 40 grain that the max velocity was had in a 18" barrel. Should get a Savage B22 Magnum that comes with a 18" barrel and give it a try, you might gain some velocity. The chart I looked showed that any thing over 18" would slow them down a bit. and under 18 (16") is what the used they were also going slower than in the 18" barre.. going to have to get me a cromatograph.
Interesting. Paul Harrell did a similar test with .22lr 16, 19, 22 inch barrels and the 16 inch was faster or basically the same as the longer barrels. Looks like .22 mag is similar.
Ah thanks for the info Ill have to check out his video. Yeah I wont lie I was a little surprised by these results on the 22mag. Thanks for watching!
Vc notou alguma diferença na prescisao do rossi semi automático com cano bull e o rossi com ferrolho com cano normal(fino)??
Thanks I was wondering if that shorter length allowed for the complete burn and it looks as if it does. I want to take mine and have it threaded for my suppressor, but now seeing that the chop job has no real effect on velocity I may have at least 4 inches lopped off to compensate for the suppressor being added to the end. I'll need to measure the suppressor to see how long it is as i may have to chop the full 4.75 inches off. Anyway, thanks for the video.
No prob, thanks for watching!
I was surprised by the velocity between these two rifles .......interesting !!
Same here... Thanks for watching!
Thanks
Do you cut the barrels down yourself ? Is it hard too do , Do you just cut & recrown it ?
Yes I did actually. Take a look at this video it outlines how I did it. th-cam.com/video/DzzSxVzBiO0/w-d-xo.html
Just picked one up yesterday brought it to the range today man this thing is fun gotta say with a red dot on it feels like a baby m14 😂
Nice! I still have this rifle its just a boat load of fun to shoot especially with the shorter barrel. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video. I have the RS one but i would like to find a RB one. 👍👍
No problem 👍
Your data as you said was with factory loads, can we see how well your handloads do.??
There are no handloads for rimfire..
@@TheHide yes I know but it's not the first time I've heard someone talk about rimfire like there is a choice between factory and handloads. Sorry to bring it up my friend.
Good stuff
Appreciate ya watching..
good night friend, the rail of this rifle is 22 millimeters?
Interesting that velocity between the two were not much different. Is there a difference in accuracy though? At say 100yds.
Not that Ive seen, Grouping was still in the 2.5 moa range.. Thanks for watching!
Those Winchesters and v max have not worked well in my older savage 93
Good to know, thanks for watching..
I am going to purchase a RS22M but I’m torn as to if a RB would be better. Which do you prefer or is better and why?
How do you chop the barrels down?
I did it with a hacksaw and a straight edge lol. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for doing this video. I am definitely going to cut my barrel down now.
Thanks for watching!
I wonder if the rs22 folding stock would fit this?
No it will not. The action sizes and mounting is a little different. Thanks for watching!
@@TheHide Think it could be modified to fit?
@@mr220v with enough time and effort anything could be possible lol
What did you cut the barrel with ?
Hacksaw.. Thanks for watching!
Might not want to cut that much, so quickly, I would cut it one inch at a time see if you get more accuracy out of it. Might find accuracy node somewhere between 16 1/2 and 24
It shot the same as far as accuracy goes between both the lengths. Thanks for watching!
A heavier load would reveal the difference between the barrel lengths. There's enough powder in that case to launch a 50 or 55 grain bullet. The lighter bullets are leaving leaving the barrel before the powder is all burned. In my 21 inch barrel I actually got more speed with the 50 grain than with the 40 grain. With an 18 inch barrel the 40 grain was faster. It's all about burn rate. Rim-fire ammo tends to burn slower than center-fire. So keeping the bullet in the barrel longer produces more muzzle energy.
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What I thought bolt action does more velocity