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- James 2:24 says that “a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.” Does this verse refute the doctrine of justification by faith alone? From one of our live events, Stephen Nichols, Steven Lawson, and Burk Parsons examine this text in its context.
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we are saved by grace through faith ALONE, TRUE FAITH PRODUCES WORK OF FAITH
As simple as that!
Christ be with you
Sorry that is false
Faith cannot be alone it must have love (1 Cor 13:2)
It is Love that produces our works (John 14:21-24)
It is those who obey Christ who will recieve eternal life (Heb 5:9)
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 agreed. Obedience to Christ is how I keep on the narrow road. I love Christ and because I love Him I obey Him.
Yes love is the greatest
@@jessyjonas4988 so at the end of the day you're saying you're saved by works because if you believe obedience is works what did you just profess there. I'm going to tell you this right now you have to do things to be saved.
@@MrKev1664 well it was never faith alone because the Bible even professes it was never faith alone.
Justification is your introduction to God. The works that follow are the result of God changing you to be like Christ. God gives you the desire to bear fruit that is pleasing to him.
Well said.
Pretty much
Indeed! Amen
Christ be with you
and what happens if you do not bear fruit
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 Ezekiel 36:25
I will also sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities and all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances. (God makes sure that his children bear fruit).
Steven Lawson brought up a very good point. If we are not justified in this life, we will never be. Christ saves to the uttermost (Hebrews 7;25).
Hebrews was written to the Hebrews, are you a Hebrew?
Read Hebrews 8:8. God will give a new covenant to the house of Israel and the house of Judah. These men will come to know Galatians 1:6-9.
Christ be with you
Christ forgives our past sins (rom 3:25)
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 you cannot go back into a life of habitual hypocritical unrepentant sin or you would end up in the lake of fire. It's called backsliding.
@@jedediahfunk3406Wow! Super wrong! What an ignorant thing to say!
No part of the Bible is for any one person or group! The Word of God is for all to read to know and grow closer to God!
" and one of you says to them ' depart in peace be warmed and filled but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit"
James 2:16
FAITH IN ACTION
Please upload more of these! There are so many great questions in the q/a sessions but sometimes I just don't have time to watch them as they are usually over an hour.
If you are counting on your works.....then let me know HOW MUCH WORK WILL IT TAKE TO PLEASE GOD ‼️
MY SALVATION IS BY FAITH ALONE......LIKE THE MAN ON THE CROSS THAT HAD NO WORKS TO FOLLOW HIS FAITH.......
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS..... BODY OF CHRIST LET US CONTINUE TO STUDY TO SHOW OURSELVES APPROVED TO GOD......
SO GLAD HE KNOWS OUR HEARTS ‼️‼️‼️
Christ be be with you
*you say*
If you are counting on your works.....then let me know HOW MUCH WORK WILL IT TAKE TO PLEASE GOD ‼️
*response*
this is not how scripture tells us it works
we cannot do some works and then turn to sin (Matt 7:21-27)
We must endure to the end (Matt 24:12-14)
we must not defile the garment of righteousness cleansed in Christ blood or be blotted out of the book of life (Rev 3:1-6)
*you say*
MY SALVATION IS BY FAITH ALONE......LIKE THE MAN ON THE CROSS THAT HAD NO WORKS TO FOLLOW HIS FAITH.......
*response*
then you are not Christian.
St James tells us justification is not be faith alone (James 2:24)
St Paul tells us faith must uphold the Law (Rom 3:31) and tells us it is those who keep the law who will be justified (rom 2:13)
He tells us we mock God if we think we have eternal life and do not obey the Law of Christ, walk in the Spirit and do good works (Gal 6:1-10)
St John tells us those who believe in the Son God , who are Gods Children will love God and Keep his commandments.
Jesus himself says those who believe in him will do his works.
*you say*
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS..... BODY OF CHRIST LET US CONTINUE TO STUDY TO SHOW OURSELVES APPROVED TO GOD......
SO GLAD HE KNOWS OUR HEARTS ‼️‼️‼️
*response*
those who love Christ keep his teaching and commandments and he and his Father will abide in them.
those who do not do not keep them.
Come to Christ
James 2:24 "Ye see, then, that out of works is man declared righteous, and not out of faith only." Young's literal translation. Sorry dude, apparently God requires works in order to be saved. You may need to get out of your recliner and help some widows and orphans. Amazing how people cherry pick what they like from the scriptures. 😆
@@MrKev1664You point at verse after verse while not writing the verses but what you think they mean, and in doing so you intentionally leave out the context of those verses. You don’t even understand what you think you are telling him! It is YOU who needs to come to Christ more than any of the others here!
@@simplifiedlife8607Sorry dude but your understanding of James is, at best, incomplete and here it is flat out wrong. Go back to your Bible and study again. You missed it this time out!
@@Halloweendm
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If you think there is context is missing point out what that context is otherwise you words are pointless.
If I am wrong show me where I am wrong.
Sorry your reponses have been pathetic at best trying to pretend you have the ansers but unable to give any while avoidinhg the scripture given
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1:25 - "We have to be very careful not to say 'justification by faith' and then smuggle works in the back door."
2:49 - "And the two [faith and works] are inseparably bound together, heads and tails of the same coin."
When you say that faith and works are heads and tails of the same coin, you're smuggling works into the back door.
yep, they contradict
But you cannot say that, because if I have faith in God and life as a person in this world as Rom 1:28-32, 2 Ti 3:2; , Ef 5:2-5 and others versicules say we can be salved, we need to live our lifes as God Says and we don't do that because we want to get his salvation, we do that because we love God and our Brother (1 John 5:2) and thats means WE HAVE to do things. So we need have faith in Yeshua and keep his Commandments Rev 12:12, 14:12; 22:14.
Christ be with you
No eternal life without good works
Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption; but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. And let us not grow weary in well-doing, for in due season we shall reap, if we do not lose heart. (Gal 6:7-9)
God bless you
@ShetheOvercomer
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sounds like those Catholics are onto something
God bless you
EXACTLY
" you see then that a man is justified by works and not by faith only"
The CONTEXT of this verse follows on the argument started from James 2:14. The argu.ment is if you say you have faith you will have the fruits to show.
This is evident throughout all of scripture. By their fruits you will know them
Thank brother for that comment, in fact Jesus warned us about the false prophets so we will know who are bearing fruits and who are not!!
Mathew 7:15-20
"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will know them by their fruits.
@@antonioaguinaldo8953
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Yes faith alone and Once saved Always saved produce the fruit Apathy not obedience.
Faith must have Love (1 Cor 13:2) and it is love that produces obedience to God (John 14:21-24)
Fait must establish the Law (Rom 3:31)
God bless you
@@antonioaguinaldo8953 the fruit mean in this verse is false gospel
Right. James (although he quotes Genesis 15:6) isn't talking about the same quality of faith.
James is talking about faith in the mere existence of God.
"Ye believe in one God, ye do well. The devils also believe and tremble."
This is not the kind of faith that Paul is talking about but James uses it to debunk Paul's message, mission and ministry.
Genesis 15:6 (in the Septuagint) says it like Paul quotes it in Romans 4.
"Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness."
The later Masoretic Text says, "Abraham believed in YHWH and it was counted to him for righteousness". It's not belief IN God that counts and everybody acknowledges that. Abraham believed what God had promised him and that's why he was justified. It had nothing to do with what Abraham was doing for God now or in the future.
This is why James' argument is so bogus. Abraham was justified because he believed God's promise - NOT BECAUSE HE BELIEVED GOD EXISTED. That's ludicrous. Nobody has EVER taught that but that's the strawman that James is debunking.
Look, the contradiction looks like a contradiction because it IS A CONTRADICTION! James designed it to be a polemic against the doctrine of justification by faith only.
@@GizmoFromPizmo MERRY CHRISTMAS
they're absolutely the Knights for the gospel, fight tirelessly, thank you brothers
Christ be with you
and what do you think the Gospel is?
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 i believe everyone must agree that it's a good & ultimate news, confirming Jesus Christ who the apostles taught & died for is God the savior
@@deerodeo7013
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then how are these mem knight for the Gospel.
Jesus did not teach faith alone.
From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.
And Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “God forbid, Lord! This shall never happen to you.” 23 But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me; for you are not on the side of God, but of men.”
Then Jesus told his disciples, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
For whoever would save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man, if he gains the whole world and forfeits his life?[
Or what shall a man give in return for his life?
For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done. (Matt 16:21-27)
faith alone does not teach that we must pick up our crosses and follow Christ to enter the ressurection
God bless you
Some Protestant Reformers believe that "BEFORE and AFTER" they received their FAITH in Christ thru GOD'S GRACE, that they DO NOT need ANY GOOD WORKS/DEEDS (Charity of Love)... But the vast majority of Christian Churches including Greek and Roman Catholics worldwide, believe only in "BEFORE" they receive "FAITH in Christ thru God's GRACE," which does not need any amount of Good Works/deeds (Charity of Love) or sacrifices (animal) or to follow any commandments of the Law of Moses for it is all useless to God, after Christ's sacrifice His own BLOOD and died on the Cross for the Sins of Mankind... for it is a FREE GIFT of God, just like our FREEWILL...
But "AFTER" we (Christians) received our FAITH thru God's Grace, we need to follow and practice the Commandments of Christ about doing Good Works/Deeds (Charity of Love) for thy neighbors and foes alike... to MANIFEST/JUSTIFY our FAITH with our CHARITY OF LOVE...
Christ said, (John 15/paraphrased)..."I AM (Christ) the True VINE, you are the BRANCHES (Believers/Christians), my Father is the GARDENER (God), anyone who is "ATTACHED" to the VINE (Christ) that does not BEAR FRUITS, even after the Gardener (God) had PRUNED the Branches BUT still does not BEAR FRUITS, will be CUT-OFF/TAKEN AWAY the Branch/es (believer/s) and THROW them in the FIRE (punishment of Hell/not saved)... Take note: BEAR FRUITS means to "DO" (verb=action) the CHARITY OF LOVE based upon Christ's Teachings and Commandments...
For "FAITH ALONE without GOOD WORKS/DEEDS (Charity of Love) is a DEAD FAITH" (not saved)... James 2:14-26/paraphrased...
St. Paul himself attested and wrote before he was executed (beheaded), that "St. Paul had RAN (done good work/deeds) to the FULLNESS (Fullest) to FINISH the RACE"... St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans was taken out of context and meaning by some Pastors... During the time of St. Paul preaching the Gospel, most of his audience are Gentiles and Jews, most of them knew the Law of Moses, that one must need to do GOOD Works and Animal Sacrifices in order to have favor or be accepted by God... but the New Gospel that St. Paul is teaching is the Law of Christ, that after Christ sacrifice His own Blood at the Cross, died, resurrected and ascended back to Heaven again... All good works/deeds and any Sacrifices are NO longer pleasing (useless) in God's Eyes... God wants us now, to believe, accept, repent, and baptize in the Holy Trinity, to Christ Jesus as our Savior/Messiah and the Son of God and Man, thru God's Grace "FIRST" without (NO) any Good Works, and Sacrifices (Law of Moses) required/necessary/needed for us to "BOAST OF"... that is the true context and meaning of St. Paul's Epistles (letters) to the Romans and Corinthians...
But "AFTER" we received our FAITH in Christ thru the Grace of God, this is the time we are "ATTACHED" to the True/Real VINE (Christ) and we must/need to BEAR FRUITS (to do Good works/ pleasing to the Eyes of God, even if or after God had PRUNED the branches), we (Christians) must/should PICK UP (verb=Action) our own CROSS (LIFE's journey on Earth w/ Christ) and follow/ obey Christ... St. Paul set (made) an example for ALL OF US believers... "RUN (Verb=Works/Deeds) TO THE FULLEST TO FINISH THE RACE"... Facts and Truth, Biblically speaking... Amen.
No it does not contradict justification by Faith Alone
1- James, the Epistle's Author condemned the Judaizers at the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15 who were seeking to add requirements to the cross of Christ for Salvation
2- James is writing to saved people. In James 1:2, he addresses them as "My Brethren".
3- Verse 2:14 says, "Can that Faith save him". It is obvious that James is distinguishing a dead faith and a living faith. A dead faith which is cheap grace cannot save but a living faith can. A living faith is seen by it's fruits. See James 2:15-17.
Both James and Paul in Romans 3-4 refer to the Patriarch Abraham as an example. James refers to Abraham's willingness to offer up Isaac in Genesis 22. Yet prior to this, even prior to his circumcision in genesis 17, Abraham had already been declared justified by God for believing the promise in genesis 15:6.
So no, James 2:24 is not condemning justification by faith alone, rather James is condemning antinomianism. James is showing that a claim to regeneration is verified/vindicated by it's fruits.
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Yes, you’ve said it so beautifully! Praise God❤️
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Sorry St James is condemning Faith alone
St James is tell us faith alone will not save.
Romans 3 and 4 are about works of the Law (Circumcision, Animal sacrifice, Cleaning Rituals, Holy day observance and dietary requirements)
We see in romans 4 the examples given are the circumcision of Abraham and the forgiveness of King David without animal sacrifice.
The promise you refer to given to Abraham in Gen 15:6 we are told by God himself was fulfiled because Abraham obeyed him.
I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give to your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall bless themselves: because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.” (Gen 26:4-5)
the is no eternal life without obedience (Heb 5:9)
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 can you ever be perfectly obedient, so that you can righteously earn your way to heaven?
@@sd6212
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our lord says we must try
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.(Matt 5:48)
however it is not about earning our way into heaven
To enter heaven, since we are sinners we need forgiveness and mercy
it is about entering a supernatural union of love with our God so he may abide in us and we may in him.(john 14:21-24)
it is about not defiling the righteousness cleansed by Christ blood (rev 3:1-6))
if we want eternal life we will obey him.
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; (Heb 5:9)
if we do not we never believed in him (luke 6:6-49)
God bless you
Faith alone without acting on it is a good description of Buddhism. Faith and works are our responsibility as Christians. Abraham acted on his faith. Paul doesn’t deny the need for us to act on our faith. He tells the Jews of his time, that expecting salvation by only following the law isn’t enough. Christs’ message to us is to act on our faith, and it is found in Christs’ first parable, that of the Good Samaritan. Both Paul and James would agree on this. It is a powerful message to all of us. Christ is clear in his message, he expects each us, to act on our faith. As for Justification, that is solely up to God. So leave that to him. Embrace our faith, follow Gods commandments and follow the golden rule. It is not complicated.
Well said, allow our faith to be perfected through our works, leave our salvation to God seeing our most perfect faith in Him.
Good works are proof of genuine faith. We all act on what we truly believe.
Christ be with you
they are proof that fath is not alone it has Love,
faith alone is a false doctrine.
without good works we will not receive eternal life (gal 6:7-9)
God bless you
It's God's grace through our faith that saves us. Without that grace, we cannot even be given the measure of faith with which to believe in Salvation. This used to be preached and taught so much more intently when I was first a Christian over 40 years ago. We were consistently reminded of this very important fact, and I have to wonder what happened.
Martin Luther was doing the best he could during the time he had with which to reform things. He based his findings about Sola Fide on the verse in Habakkuk that says "the just shall live by faith". But we need to understand who the "just" are: Those who have been saved by the grace of God, and are continuing to "grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 3:18 It's those who have received "justification".
"For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God; not of works, lest any man should boast." Eph 2:8,9
True saving faith through God's grace will produce a godly life, the continuation of the ministry of Jesus in the believer's life, and His mission in this world. That is what proves a person has been truly converted, but it is not what saves them. If it was, we could have just stayed under the old covenant because that's how it operated.
We are saved by grace "through" faith, which will produce the right life and actions; it will produce good fruit which is love for one another, the sharing with and caring for one another which was being practiced in the earliest church as recorded in the Book of Acts. "You shall know them by their fruit," Matt 7:15 Whom shall you know? Those who have been saved by God's grace through the measure of faith given them by God; a measure which will continue to grow and strengthen during the person's entire life.
Somewhere along the line it's been summed up as:
Grace alone, through faith alone, by Christ alone, to the glory of God alone.
Grace must always come first, then if there has been a true conversion, good works will follow which give evidence to God's grace and our faith.
Read James 2:24. Non-believers perform very good works also, they have no faith though. Good works prove that you are a decent human being, that's all.
Good works show up as a result of salvation. And true salvation is based not on the individual's faith, but on Christ's.
Christ be with you
you appear to be getting "Being saved" having your sins forgiven, with salvation
Good works are a result of your love for God. (John 14:21-24)
Faith is not alone (1 Cor 13:2)
If you do not produce them you will not receive eternal life (Gal 6:1-10)
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 Good works are a result of salvation but never the cause.
@@terminat1
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scripture does not say that.
Did you even read the verses given because it appear you think you know better than God,
Receiving Gods Grace does not take works just faith and repentance (Love) but eternal life does (Gal 6:1-10)
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 I think I've talked with you before. Repentance is obviously a work. Grace is 100% undeserved.
@@terminat1
Christ be with you
it does not matter if repentance is a work or not.
repentance does not make us deserve Gods Grace but it is necessary to receive it.
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, (acts 3:19)
God bless you
Thanks Pst. Stephen Nicols, Pst. Steven Lawson & Pst. Burk Parsons *4 Answering This Powerful, Blessful Question Which Is "Does James 2:24 Refute The Justification By Faith Alone ?" Where I Agree 💯% With Steven Lawson, Stephen Nicols & Burk Parsons That James 2:24 That Does Not Refute That We are Justified By Faith Alone Where We Have Been Saved By Grace Thru Faith 4 It's Not Our Own That Salvation Is The Gift of God 4 Those Who Call Upon The Name of The Lord Will Be Saved 4 God Commandeth His Love Towards Us That While We Were Yet Still Sinners, Christ Died 4 Us Written In Ephesians 2:8, Romans 10:13 & Romans 5:8 Where Faith Without Action Is Dead Written In James 2:20 Where The Grace of God Upon Us Is Thru Jesus Christ Who Died 4 Our Past, Present & Future Sins Where We Have Justification, Sanctification & Glorification Where If We are Not Justified Now By The Grace of God As Pst. Steven Lawson Said Rytly, We are Condemned By God During The Coming Judgement Where We are Not Saved As Written In Romans 10:9 4 I Say That I Gave My Life 2 Christ Before & Became Born Again Which Now I'm Still Born Again* & God Bless Yu Pst. Steven Lawson, Pst. Stephen Nicols, Pst. Burk Parsons & Ligonier Ministries So Very Much 4 I Have Been Blessed.🙏🙏🕊️🕊️
Christ be with you
While Christ died for all our sins we are forgiven our past sins (rom 3:25)
God bless you
@@MrKev1664, God Bless Yu 2 4 Yu are Very Ryt & Thanks 4 Yur Powerful Answer.🙏
FAITH must come alone in accepting/believing Christ Jesus thru God's Grace without any Man's way of work... but after FAITH has been established then it is ESSENTIAL to do or apply Good WORKS/ACTS/DEEDS to our neighbors/foes alike to justify our FAITH in Christ Jesus thru God's grace by Hope and Love...
Christ Jesus said (John 14:15/paraphrased), "If you LOVE Me (Christ), you must KEEP (verb = do, obey, follow, practice) my Commandments... St. Paul's Epistles to the Corinthians (Cor. 16:22/paraphrased)... "If anyone has NO LOVE (does not keep Christ's Commandments) for the LORD (Christ Jesus), let him be CURSED."... SALVATION is a PROCESS... Amen.
My understanding is that we are justified by faith alone before God BUT that faith will produce works that evidence your professed faith
Yes James 2:24 does indeed refute faith alone doctrine. James is easily understood here and it is Paul whom these men are misunderstanding but they are blind.
Amen.
No.
In all of these faith vs works discussions there seems to be a large distinction between justification and then the work of the spirit. The bible tells us these are a part of the same program and are not that distinct. Emphatically, we cannot through any of our works make ourselves just before God. ONLY the work of Christ does that. Multitudinous scriptures tell us that. Then with a right relationship with God can we do good works if we allow Christ to live our lives for us through the Holy Spirit. It is not our works, it is our saying to God at baptism I have laid my life down to Christ to use it as he will. A watery grave as Paul says. Coming up from that watery grave, is where the confusion seems to arise. Now that we can allow Christ to live our life through His justification, we must do that. We must allow God to purify us through Christ working in us ( I John 3:3). If we don't, there are many scriptures that tell us that God will not continue to justify us (unless we repent anew of course). James 2:44 is one of them. The parable of the talents is another, Rom 2:13 is another one. They all say that if you are not in this program to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ, we in essence have not repented of our sins and the Holy Spirit is not in us (Acts 2:38). We have to exhibit Christ in our lives (not perfectly, but continually demonstrating our faith) throughout our christian life. There are things we must do, but again it is not us who do them. We have laid down the old man and want Christ to live in us (Gal 2:20)
Christ be with you
almost right
You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. (Matt 5:48)
God bless you
Praise the Lord !
The real interpretation is that Paul says that we are justified by faith, not by works of the LAW and James says that we are justified by GOOD works and not faith alone.
Theres nothing in James that indicates that the justification hes talking about simply refers to only vindication amongst men.
Another thing too is that Paul is talking about being born again (which is by faith alone) and James is talking about our growth in justification by good works after we are born again.
Root vs Fruit.... Amen, our faith produces fruit
Christ be with you
it is love that produces fruit (john 14:21-24, john 15:1-11)
faith is not alone
there is no eternal life without that fruit.
God bless you
Paul explains this in Romans 4 that justified by works is not before God. James also states that 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Romans 4
4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Let us not put God in the "BOX"!... who are we to decide for God whom He will give salvation?... The Thief on the Cross with Christ Jesus was guaranteed salvation by Christ Himself, with only his (Thief) genuine/truthful Faith ALONE thru God's Grace... The Thief was not Baptized, nor even have the Charity of Love (Works/Deeds)... When we initially received FAITH from God, it does not necessarily mean that we are already Truly in Love with God at once from that moment we accepted God... "True Love" develops thru our works/deeds as time goes by...
FAITH Alone thru the Grace of God had opened the mind, heart, and soul of the dying Thief to believe/accept/repent his sins against God and Christ Jesus accepted him (Thief) without Baptism, without Good Works/Deeds of Charity of love... and Christ promised him with salvation at the judgment day of God Almighty...
After FAITH Alone, thru God's Grace that comes first to a person, Faith alone will open our mind, heart, and soul to "TRUST by believing," followed by "acceptance and repentance" to our sins BEFORE "Baptism and Good Work/love/hope/charity begins/starts"... "Baptism" and "Good Works" are not necessarily needed/required for salvation in "some circumstances" (exemptions) like Jews/Atheist/Gentiles dying in bed, hospital, battlefield, places of accidents, and imminent death... We can still be forgiven for our sins and receive Salvation while we are still in our "last breath of life" (dying imminently) without Baptism and Good Works/Deeds (Charity of Love)... Biblically facts...
No human beings would be able to believe or accept/repent or to love, nor to undergo Baptism and to do Good works... without the FAITH Alone thru God's Grace that comes first to every person... Only a low I.Q. person with low comprehension would say otherwise... We do not need the I.Q. of Einstein to understand logically and reasonably what I have written...
There is a saying, "for a close mind, heart, and soul person, NO ANSWER POSSIBLE, but for an open mind, heart and soul person, NO POSSIBLE ANSWER NEEDED/REQUIRED."
Facts and Truth, biblically and logically speaking... Praise and thanks be to God, in Christ Jesus... Amen.
27 BIBLICAL VERSES in the New Testament that support FAITH in Christ Jesus thru God's Grace needs/requires Good Works/Deeds/Acts of Charity of Love to thy neighbors/foes alike for our SALVATION:
1. Titus 1:16... "DISOBEDIENCE, disqualified for every good Works/Deeds/Acts."
2. Titus 2:7... "In all things, show yourself to be a pattern of Good Works/Deeds/Acts."
3. Titus 2:14... "And purify for Himself, His own special people, zealous for Good Works/Deeds/Acts."
4. Titus 3:1... "To obey to be ready for Good Works/Deeds/Acts."
5. Titus 3:8... " that those who have believed (Faith) in God should carefully maintain Good Works/Deeds/Acts."
6. Titus 3:14... " And let our People (Christians) learn to maintain Good Works/Deeds/Acts, to meet urgent needs, that they may not be unfaithful."
7. Ephesians 1:11... "in Him (Christ) we obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of Him, who WORKS all things according to the Council of HIS Will."
8. Ephesians 2:10... "For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for Good Works/Deeds/Acts, that God prepared beforehand that we should walk with them (Works)."
9. 1 John 2:17... "the way of (good) Works/Deeds/Acts is the way of Life, He who DOETH (Works/Deeds) the will of God, abides forever."
10. Romans 2:28... " And we know that for those who love God, all things WORK together for good, for those who are called to his/her purpose."
11. Matthew 7:21-23... "Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only those who DOETH (Works/Deeds) the WILL of my Father (God) in Heaven."
12. 2 Thessalonians 2:15..." So then Brethren, Stand firm and Hold (Works/Deeds) to the tradition taught by us (Apostles/Disciples), either by spoken word (oral tradition) or by our letters."
13. 2 Thessalonians 3:10... "For even when we are with you, we commanded you this, that if anyone will not WORK (good Deeds), neither you should Eat (reap your labor of Salvation)."
14. 2 Thessalonians 3:16... "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brethren who are Walking in Idleness (Lazy/No Works/Deeds) and not in accordance with the Tradition that you received from us (Apostles/Disciples).".
15. Ecclesiastes 9:10... "Whatever your hands find to DO (Works/Deeds), DOETH with your might, for there is no Work/Deed or Device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave that you are going."
16. Ecclesiastes 12:14... "For God will bring every Works/Deeds into Judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil."
17. 1 Corinthians 9:24... "Do you know in the race, all Runners (Believers/Christians) must RUN (do good Works/Deeds), but only one received the prize, so RUN in such a way to get a prize."
18. 2 Corinthians 5:10... "For we must all appear before the Judgement seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done (Work) in the body, according to what he has done (Work), whether good or bad."
19. James 1:22... "But be DOERS (Workers) of the Words, and not hearers only, deceiving yourself."
20. James 3:13... "Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his WORKS/DEEDS/ACTS are done in the Meekness of Wisdom."
21. James 2:14-26... "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has FAITH but does not have WORKS/DEEDS/ACTS, can Faith save him? But do you want to know O' foolish man that Faith without WORKS/DEEDS is Dead?... Was not Abraham our Father not JUSTIFIED by Works/Deeds when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see then that a man is JUSTIFIED by Works/Deeds and not by Faith only? Likewise, was not RAHAB, the Harlot was she JUSTIFIED by her Works/Deeds when she received the messengers and send them out in another way? For as the Body without the Spirit is Dead, so Faith without Works/Deeds is Dead also."
22. John 5:29... "those who did the Good DEEDS (Works/Acts) to a Resurrection of Life, and those committed the Bad/Evil Deeds (Works/Acts) to a Resurrection of Judgment."
23. John 15:1... "I AM the real VINE (Christ), My Father is the Gardener (Vinedresser), HE breaks/cut-off any Branches (Believers/Christians) attached in the VINE that does not BEAR FRUITS (No Good Works/Deeds/Acts)."
24. 2 Timothy 4:7... "I have fought a good fight, I have finished (Good Works/Deeds) my course/race, and I have kept the Faith."
25. Revelation 19:7-8... "His Wife (Bride/Church) has made herself ready, and to her was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean, and bright, for the Fine Linen is the Righteous of ACTS (Work/Deeds) of the Saints."
26. Revelation 20:12... Then I saw the dead, great and small standing before God's throne, the books were opened, then another book was opened, which is the Boof of Life/Living, and dead were judged according to their WORKS/DEEDS/ACTS, by the things which were written in the Books."
27. Revelation 22:12... "Behold, I am coming quickly, and MY (Christ) Rewards is with ME (Christ) to give to everyone according to his/her WORKS/DEEDS/ACTS."
In Conclusion... FAITH in Christ thru God's Grace must and should LEAD/BEAR Good Fruits/Works/Deeds/Acts of Charity of Love to thy neighbors/foes alike for our Salvation...
Cristal clear brothers!
I agree in a since. But I wouldn't say it's insurable cause what if Abraham died before they work he did? He was already justified in the sight of God so he would have went to heaven.
Salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ
but what does having faith in Jesus mean? Just believing something about him is true in your head, or just saying "Jesus is Lord"? Remember what he said about many who say to him "Lord, Lord did we not do all these things in your name?"
They believed him to be the Lord and even did powerful things in his name but Jesus rejects them...they had "faith".
Faith is much more than what the watered down version of the modern church system teaches
@@TimKollat faith means to trust Him alone
@@guy2911 I agree. Trusting in Jesus and obeying him alone and not other men or church doctrines that teach something different.
They never talk about exactly the moment when justification takes place , If you don't teach that salvation and justification happen at the moment of faith and faith Alone. You are teaching a Works Gospel..period.
Christ be with you
St Paul teaches it happens in Baptism
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. (rom 6:4)
As does St Peter
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Act 2:38)
and most importantly Jesus
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (John 3:5)
you seem to thin you know better but since you didn't die for my sins I'm going to trust Jesus and his Apostles on this.
Also are you suggest the Gospel you follow has no necessity to follow the teaching of Christ.
that's not good
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. (2 John 9-11)
that would be mocking God
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. (Gal 6:7-9)
Come to Christ
James is refuting the belief that a person can have faith without producing any good works (James 2:17-18). James is emphasizing the point that genuine faith in Christ will produce a changed life and good works (James 2:20-26). James is not saying that justification is by faith plus works, but rather that a person who is truly justified by faith will have good works in his/her life. If a person claims to be a believer, but has no good works in his/her life, then he/she likely does not have genuine faith in Christ (James 2:14, 17, 20, 26).
Christ be with you
You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.(James 2:24)
faith is not alone it must have love.
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 so we are justified by faith + works then in your eyes?
@@Muzicboy3
Christ be with you
The full story is that it is Christs Grace that Justifies us.
His forgiveness for our sin make us right in not, our faith or our works
We receive Gods Grace though Faith (Eph 2:8-9)
that faith is not alone it upholds the Law (rom 3:31)
and is is those who uphold the Law who will be justified (rom 2:12)
Jesus tell us he will give believers eternal life but explains that believers are those who turn from darkness and sin to the light and do works of God (John 3:16-21)
God bless you
I thought that folks would be interested to know that Martin Luther wrote the following in his Preface to the Epistles of Saint James and Saint Jude: "[James] does violence to Scripture, and so contradicts Paul and all Scripture. He tries to accomplish by emphasizing law what the apostles bring about by attracting men to love. I therefore refuse him a place among the writers of the true canon of my Bible; but I would not prevent anyone placing him or raising him where he likes, for the epistle contains many excellent passages. One man does not count as a man even in the eyes of the world; how then shall this single and isolated writer count against Paul and all the rest of the Bible?"
Great reply! There are 112 faith alone verses. Paul, jesus and John taught faith alone. Jesus told the woman at the well, one drink, for one moment, resulted in everlasting life. Along comes James, and contradicts them all.
James 2:24 is clear and ant be denied
James is using the word “Justified” like it is used in Psalm 51:4 and 1 Tim 3:16. It is better understood as “vindicated” or “proven”. To say otherwise would be to create a conflict with the scriptures. God is not the author of confusion.
If you have a direct statement of doctrine like Acts 16:31 , then you have to interperate the rest of scripture in the light of that doctrinal statement. This passage gives how and when salvation takes place..
Christ be with you
what do you think it means to believe in Jesus Christ
you need to interpret this statement on what Jesus tells us it means not what you think it means.
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father.(John 14:12)
St John also tells us what it means to believe (1 John 5:1-5)
you will see that we have to overcome the world, we have to love God and Keep his commandments
God bless you
First, let me say this: You cannot say (as a blanket statement) that every verse needs to be evaluated in light of the whole of the bible. There's no basis for this conclusion. What did Jesus say, "On this hangs all the Law and the Prophets"?
Mt. 22:40 - On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
In other words, "Love God and love your neighbor" is the verse that determines your whole understanding of the word and nature of God.
In general, you need to take into account the context of the whole canon but to say that we NEVER do this is to deny the teaching of the Savior. In fact, the Savior Himself is the single point upon which the whole canon hinges. Without Jesus none of that text is worth anything. The reason for nation of Israel itself goes away without the Messiah.
Faith ALONE means by the Grace of God, FAITH is absolutely FREE (no fee) without any Work/Deed from the Law of Moses... In order to have God's Grace of Free FAITH in Christ Jesus, a person must first BELIEVE, then ACCEPTANCE and CONFESSION/REPENTANCE (100% necessarily/necessity/requirements without exception) for SALVATION... while BAPTISM and GOOD WORKS/DEEDS (Charity of Love for their neighbors/foes) is also needed, but NOT ALWAYS necessarily required in some circumstances (exemption to the rule)... like those People who are non-believers dying from their bed, hospital, accident, war, battle, and imminent death... Example... The thief dying on the Cross with Christ Jesus... No Baptism and No Good Works/Deed (Charity of Love for their Neighbors/foes) but still Christ Jesus promised salvation to the thief... Facts and Truth, biblically speaking...
Christ be with you
No Faith always requires Love
It cannot be alone
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 Let us not put God in the "BOX"!... who are we to decide for God whom He will give salvation?... The Thief on the Cross with Christ Jesus was guaranteed salvation by Christ Himself, with only his (Thief) genuine/truthful Faith ALONE thru God's Grace... The Thief was not Baptized, nor even have the Charity of Love (Works/Deeds)... When we initially received FAITH from God, it does not necessarily mean that we are already Truly in Love with God at once from that moment we accepted God... "True Love" develops thru our works/deeds as time goes by...
FAITH Alone thru the Grace of God had opened the mind, heart, and soul of the dying Thief to believe/accept/repent his sins against God and Christ Jesus accepted him (Thief) without Baptism, without Good Works/Deeds of Charity of love... and Christ promised him with salvation at the judgment day of God Almighty...
After FAITH Alone, thru God's Grace that comes first to a person, Faith alone will open our mind, heart, and soul to "TRUST by believing," followed by "acceptance and repentance" to our sins BEFORE "Baptism and Good Work/love/hope/charity begins/starts"... "Baptism" and "Good Works" are not necessarily needed/required for salvation in "some circumstances" (exemptions) like Jews/Atheist/Gentiles dying in bed, hospital, battlefield, places of accidents, and imminent death... We can still be forgiven for our sins and receive Salvation while we are still in our "last breath of life" (dying imminently) without Baptism and Good Works/Deeds (Charity of Love)... Biblically facts...
No human beings would be able to believe or accept/repent or to love, nor to undergo Baptism and to do Good works... without the FAITH Alone thru God's Grace that comes first to every person... Only a low I.Q. person with low comprehension would say otherwise... We do not need the I.Q. of Einstein to understand logically and reasonably what I have written...
There is a saying, "for a close mind, heart, and soul person, NO ANSWER POSSIBLE, but for an open mind, heart and soul person, NO POSSIBLE ANSWER NEEDED/REQUIRED."
Facts and Truth, biblically and logically speaking... Praise and thanks be to God, in Christ Jesus... Amen.
Dr. Burk Parsons mentioned the false teaching of " final justification." It is John Piper who teaches " final justification." This is the same teaching that comes from the Roman Catholic Church. In by grace, but stay in by works....is not good news.
Christ be with you
no eternal life without good works (Gal 6:1-10)
no eternal life without avoiding the world's temptation (James 1:12-16)
if you think Christ abiding in us ins not good news (John 14:21-24) then who do you follow.
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 James is not talking about works being needed for justification. From your comment, it doesn't seem you understand JUSTIFICATION. Justification is a legal term.
@@carmensiekierke3579
Christ be with you
*you say*
James is not talking about works being needed for justification.
*response*
What????????
how can you come up with a statement like that.
Ye see then how that by works a man is *justified*, and not by faith only. (Ja
*you say*
From your comment, it doesn't seem you understand JUSTIFICATION. Justification is a legal term.
response
sorry what is your point here
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 James ( the half-brother of Jesus and leader of the Jersualem church) is talking about sanctification.....and he is talking about people who " profess" faith, but it's all empty words. When they see someone in the congregation that needs food or clothing their response is " be warm and filled."
IF all you have is empty words in your life........it is verification that you have not been justified in the first place.
@MrKev.........How many works do you think you have to do to be declared " not guilty" by God? Justification is being "declared not guilty."
I think most people misunderstand this. What the Word is saying is that salvation is by faith alone by accepting what Christ did on the cross so that the plan of God to reconcile us to Him cannot be hijacked......It was His and His alone to give to us where we then accept by faith......that said.......there are then many many other scriptures that says that there must be works after that otherwise you lukewarm and you will be spit out........
Christ be with you
the thing is the bible never says once that we are salvation is by faith alone
that is a lie that is said over and over until it is believed.
there is a difference between being saved and salvation
Being saved is the forgiveness of our past sin but to have salvation, to inherit Gods kingdom we must obey Christ.
this false teaching produces the fruit of apathy to God making it unnecessary to love him.
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. (2 Peter 1:9-11)
faith must have love (1 Cor 13:2)
God bless you
1 Corinthians 3
God’s farm, God’s building
5 So what d’you suppose Apollos actually is? What d’you think Paul is? I’ll tell you: servants, through whom you came to faith, each one as the Lord gave. 6 I planted and Apollos watered, but it was God who gave the growth. 7 It follows that the person who plants isn’t anything special, and the person who waters isn’t anything special; what matters is God who gives the growth. 8 The person who plants and the person who waters are just the same, and each will receive his own reward according to his own work. 9 We are God’s fellow workers, you see: you are God’s farm, God’s building.
10 According to God’s grace, I laid the foundation like a wise master builder, and someone else is building on it. Everyone should take care how they build on it. 11 Nobody can lay any foundation, you see, except the one which is laid, which is Jesus the Messiah!
The coming day, the coming fire
12 If anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, grass or straw- 13 well, everyone’s work will become visible, because the Day will show it up, since it will be revealed in fire. Then the fire will test what sort of work everyone has done. 14 If the building work that someone has done stands the test, they will receive a reward. 15 If someone’s work is burned up, they will be punished by bearing the loss; they themselves will be saved, however, but only as though through a fire.
16 Don’t you see? You are God’s Temple! God’s spirit lives in you! 17 If anyone destroys God’s Temple, God will destroy them. God’s Temple is holy, you see, and that is precisely what you are.
The verse will literally say not by faith alone and you guys still respectfully deny it, and I’m a Protestant admitting this.
BY THEIR FRUITS YOU WILL KNOW THEM
Christ be with you
and faith alone produces apathy
it falsely takes away the need to obey God and therefore love him
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 agreed Faith alone produces apathy. We need to have love. When we love Him we obey Him. It removes legalism
@@jessyjonas4988
Christ be with you
as long as you understand that love him means follow his teachings and keeping his commandments (John 14:21-24)
its not just warm feelings
God bless you
@@MrKev1664
" A new command I give to you: love one another. Ad I have loved you so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples if you love one another."
John13:34-35
agreed. That I do wholeheartedly. I love Him and I love others and I love keeping His commandments.
My understanding of "Justification by Faith Alone" means thru the Grace of God, "FAITH" (not work) must come FIRST "alone" before "GOOD WORKS" (Charity of Love/Deeds) that are pleasing in the sight of God, begins/starts...
It can not be WORK alone first before FAITH or both Faith and Work thru Grace justifies us at "the same time"... Our Faith Alone in God must come "FIRST" to each individual, then through our Faith in God... the FRUITS of Good Works (Charity of Love/Deeds) will manifest or reflect on us thru the grace of God in Christ Jesus as "EVIDENCE" to our Faith... Yes, it is true... the Bible said, "FAITH without WORK is a dead faith"... but it did not say,... "WORK without FAITH is a dead work."... Christ said, No works/deeds of man can be justified in the sight of God unless Faith thru Grace of God must come first to man... and that Faith is thru HIs Son, Christ Jesus... after that, our Charity of Love/Deeds begins/starts throughout our life in Christ and that is where our DEEDS will be judged by God on His Judgement Day (Rev. 20:12 / Roman 2:6/14:10-12)...
Therefore, FAITH "alone" must come FIRST before Good Works (Charity of Love/Deeds) begins/starts for those who truly repented and believe in God... Can not be the other way around... Amen.
Why did James try to tell Paul to submit to the Jewish laws and acts 21?
It is our faith in action through obedience that saves us. Being saved is being born again and just as physical birth is the end result of a process so is spiritual rebirth.
The first step is repentance. Repentance is an act of obedience we must choose to do after we believe. Repentance is incomplete without water baptism for the remission of sins. Remission of sins is basically the Holy Spirit, because of the shed blood of Christ, spiritually cleansing the " temple" of our body in preparation for the occupancy of the Holy Spirit. Then we must recieve the Holy Spirit.
The Word "recieve in the new testaments' original Greek means " to take hold of". We do so in prayer as we rise up out of the baptismal water.
The Holy Spirit baptism is how the Holy Spirit is recieved. It is to be filled to overflowing. Once the Lord answers our prayer and fills us we must then surrender the one member of our body that we alone cannot " tame" and that is our tongue
We continue to yield it, I just opened my mouth and started relaxing my tongue, until the Holy Spirit enables us to speak in the spiritual language that our English translation calls " tongues".
Once this happens it triggers the fillings' overflow while at the same time the Holy Spirit becomes one with our spirit. We have now been born again having recieved the Holy Spirit.
Repent means to change your mind.Greek -> Metanoeo or metanoia (re think, change mind, after thought) it does not have an automatic meaning to feel sorry for sins or to turn from them. In the case of salvation it means to change your mind from unbelief to belief in Jesus and the cross. The English Repent definition is very misleading.
@theservant752 The definition of repent you gave is correct. However, being saved is also being born again, and just as physical birth is the end result of a process ,so is spiritual rebirth.
Repentance is incomplete if not followed by water baptism. True repentance must be demonstrated by an act of obedience, which water baptism is.
When John baptized stood in the Jordan river and the people stood on its banks repenting ,he said," Bring forth fruit meet for repentance"(Matt.3:8).
The Word " meet", in the original Greek, means " that which accompanies".
The thing that should follow repentance is to believe in Jesus Christ, that he came in the flesh, was crucified to death for our sins, rose again on the third day. If you believe this you are born again and saved.
Bring forth fruit(doctrine) meet(that which accompanies) Repentance(change of mind)
Fruit is for example doctrine of false teachers\prophets\pharisees.
Matthew 7:15-20
(15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
(16) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
(17) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
(18) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
(19) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
(20) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
@@robertnieten7259
This question is predicated on a misapprehension of what ‘faith’ actually means - almost universally (even - in fact, especially - amongst God’s own), ‘faith’ (in the Hebrews 11 sense), is understood as nothing more than MERE BELIEF - some kind of autonomous noetic (for whatever reason - intellective, psychological, emotional, spiritual…) commitment to the things of God, when it is absolutely nothing of the sort!
Faith (in the Hebrews 11 sense), is nothing less than IMPUTED BELIEF - a gift from God, lest we can claim it as something that is of us (a work) and so, boast of which will rob God of His glory (Eph 2:8,9, 2Pet 1:1, Phil 1:29, Act 3:16…)
Once we understand that faith is entirely of God, then we come to appreciate that “It is God who justifies” - Rom 8:33
Since James was Jewish (like his brother Jesus), he is simply stating what is core to the Jewish faith which places a huge emphasis on "works" to conform to God's commandments and being a righteous person as an observant Jew during one's lifetime. Plus he is saying it is obedience to God's word (Torah) AND works. In Judaism, there is not as big a focus on being judged for Heaven or Hell as in Christianity as the most important aspect of faith. Judaism is about how you live according to God's commandments (Mishnas) in the present throughout one's life. The relationship is direct with God with no Jesus "in the middle" as it were. But there is not a huge focus on Judgement Day like Christianity with the Resurrection and faith in Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit (the Trinity having been created in the 4th century AD at the Council of Nicea) and Judgement Day when you die. James was a Jewish rabbi talking to Jews more than Gentiles, whom Paul was focused on. James was the one in charge of the early followers of Jesus in Jerusalem who were all Jewish. If you are familiar with the Tenach, the Mishna and the Talmud you will see this. James is simply saying "walk the talk" based on God's word which is a distinctly Jewish perspective.
James 2:24 decidedly refutes Luther's doctrine. But like the men in this video, most people choose to just deceive themselves and, like a brood of idiots, babble their way out dealing with the problem.
No it doesn’t the Bible teaches faith apart from works
Yeah.... I don't think I'd take your comment seriously since you reject the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.
NT was written in Greek and Greek tense of the phrase "justified by faith" does not support a completed justification by faith and the person remains justified ever since. "Justified by faith" appears four times in NT (Rom. 3:28, 5:1, Gal. 2:16, 3:24) - the one in Rom. 3:28 is in Greek passive present tense, while the rest is in Greek passive aorist tense. If Scripture teaches faith-alone justification then the Holy Spirit would inspire Paul to write that phrase in Greek passive perfect tense.
Genesis 15:6 says that faith is counted to him [Abraham] as righteousness, which Paul cited in Rom. 4:3. Psalms 106:31 says "And that was counted to him [Phinehas] as righteousness from generation to generation forever." (ESV). What was counted (the same verb in Hebrew as in Gen 15:6) as righteousness, is NOT faith, as it is written in Psalms 106:30.
The concept of progressive sanctification can be debated because there are verses that imply we are washed at the time of justification, for example in hebrews " he has perfected those forever who are sanctified"
In his sight. Not ours.
@@iacoponefurio1915 yes, that why why man can't look at the amount of sanctification in a believers life and say whether or not they saved.
Why would God NEVER sanctify a sinner who has not been fully justified? That would render the Cross completely VOID!
Christ be with you
there is only justified or not justified.
justification is the forgiveness of a repentant sinners sins by God Grace
sanctification require justification for we need to make our selves slaves to righteousness and to God
God bless you
James must have been written before Christ died.
1. Paul, Peter, and John declare the remission of sins through Christ's blood.
2. James never says a word about the blood of Christ for the remission of sins.
3. Paul preaches faith in Christ' death apart from the Law.
4. James says that faith in "God is One" (the Jewish shema) must be accompanied by obeying the Law of Moses.
5. Paul mentions Christ as our example of endurance
6. James mentions Elijah as our example of endurance.
7. Paul never wrote to any synagogues. James "assembly" is actually the Greek word for synagogue.
No-one will come to Christ without first the conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit
Justification is a work of God the Father and the Holy Spirit in us and without us. Justification and faith do not have a sequence in time but in order Faith- Justification but are simultaneously in time. Sanctification is a work of The Holy Spirit in us but not without us. Justification and SANCTIFICATION cannot be separated. There is no sanctification without justification or justification without sanctification, this even when sanctification is just a begin of regeneration through all our life. Faith is by Grace and the free gift of God. The Bible teaches us the Justification of the UNGODLY. [Made/ declared Righteous. Based only on the righteousness of Christ] Not a regenerated believer is justified. The UNGODLY chooses SIN by nature. Sanctification is called Fruits of the Holy-Spirit.
James 2: 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works [read FRUITS] is dead? Faith First then Fruits of Faith
There is a general working of the Holy Spirit in the hearing of the Word that convicts and precedes faith but not always leads to salvation. See the parable of the sower. The plow is needed to make the soil good to receive the seed. Conviction is a work of the Holy Spirit and without no-one will come to Christ. Never lost is never saved. Jesus came to save the lost.
➡️YOU⬅️[a human being, not God] ➡️SEE THAT⬅️[as in "you perceive that"] a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. (James 2:24)
Romans 2 refutes sola fide.
It doesn't
So let's say, God puts some vision and ideas in my mind about doing something. So should I just show to God that I have faith in Him by praying and waiting for that vision and idea to become a reality itself or I should work to make it happen? Let's say I wanna plant a fruit tree. Should I just pray and wait for God to plant that fruit tree for me in a miraculous way or I should go and buy the seeds and do the rest of the work to show that I have faith In God?
For Non-Believers outside Christianity... Justification of "FAITH" (alone/only) by the Grace of God, comes "First" by Belief and Acceptance of Jesus is the Son of God and Messiah/Christ, then by Repentance, and Baptism before the Justification of Good Work/Deed (Charity of Love) that is pleasing in the Eyes/Sight of God begins/starts... Amen.
Christ be with you
Sorry that is not true
St James is saying the at the scripture where he was given the promise (Gen 15:5-6), was not fulfilled until he obeyed God (Gen 22:15-19)
It is in Baptism St Paul tells us we are born again with Christ (rom 6:3-4) it is baptism St Peter tells us we are saved (1 Peter 3:21)
St Paul tells us is is those who keep the Law who are justified (Rom 2:13)
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@@MrKev1664 John 15:5/paraphrase... "I AM the Vine (Christ), you are the Branches (Christians), my Father is the Gardener (God), any branches attached to the Vine that does NOT BEAR (verb=Work/Deed) FRUIT (Charity of Love), the Gardener (God) will take away (remove/cut-off), and any branches attached to the Vine (Christ) that Bear (verb) FRUITS, the Gardener will prune the branches to BEAR (verb=works/deeds) more FRUITS (Charity of Love)."
Therefore, even if you are already attached to the VINE (Christ) or a believer/follower, if the Branches (Christians) do not "bear fruits," the Gardener will take away (cut-off/remove).
Thus, Faith (noun) without Work/Deed (verb) is a "DEAD FAITH" (James 2:17/paraphrased)... Facts and Truth, biblically speaking... Amen...
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I agree with that just not what you said about faith alone.
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 The English word "ALONE" is not in the Bible, (just like the word Trinity, Rapture, Bible, etc.) but what ALONE truly meant was that FAITH without ANY Works/deeds inscribed/taught in the Law of Moses...
By the Grace of God, we can receive FAITH in Christ (alone) "Without" any good works/deeds of/by our OWN, it is FOR FREE... But after acceptance, repentance, and baptism in the name of the Holy Trinity by our own FREEWILL...
NOW, is the time to follow and obey the teaching of Christ Jesus to DO (verb) GOOD WORKS/DEED of Charity of Love... Christ said, if you LOVE me, follow and obey MY (Christ) commandments... whose commandments?... commandments of Christ and no longer the Law of Moses... for FAITH without Good Works (Charity of Love) is a "Dead Faith." ... Amen.
Analogy... for example... if we like to practice Engineering in the country, one must first pass the Professional Engineer's Licensure "ALONE" without passing any Medical/Nursing Licensure to practice Engineering... same logic... I hope you understand now what ALONE truly meant... Peace be with you in Christ Jesus.....
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Let's look at what the scripture you ignored says.
Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-4)
Notice this being born again to new life occurs in Baptism
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (1 Peter 3:21)
Notice it is through repentance in baptism we are saved.
Lets look at another
And Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
notice that we must repent and be baptised for the forgiveness of sin.
faith alone means nothing.
That is what St James is saying.
That despite being give the promise in Gen 15:5-6 the scripture was not fulfilled until Gen 22:9-19 on the altar
Do you want to be shown, you foolish fellow, that faith apart from works is barren?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, and the scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness”; and he was called the friend of God.
You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. (James 2:20-24)
without obedience faith alone is useless
Jesus told us not simply to believe but to believe and be baptised.
He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. (Mark 16:16)
He told us to be born again
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (John 3:3)
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. (John 3:5)
God's Grace come when we obey
you appear to be trying to justify a false doctrine.
God bless you
Justification by faith alone, is not taught anywhere in the 66 Books of the Holy Bible, and is a false teaching of some of the Reformed/Calvinst, based on their theology. Jesus Christ, Himself Almighty God, is very clear in Mark 1:15, that the sinners needs to REPENT and BELIEVE (FAITH) to be saved. Without repenting of ones sins, there can be no salvation, this is also clear from Acts 2:37-38, where Peter is asked by those who were "cut to the heart" (convicted by the Holy Spirit), "what shall we DO", to which Peter does not say, "DO nothing". but, "REPENT...for the forgiveness of sins". Any other Gospel is a false one!
Christ be with you
Sorry we must obey the Law
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
only then will we be justified
For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. (rom 2:13)
God bless you
I see that the conclusions of these Pastors are not consistent with the premises they laid... Example: Paul in Rom 3:28 explicitly refers to the Mosaic Law (Apart from the works of the Law particularly circumcision because this letter was addressed to the Gentile Christians) and not (to assume) from Genesis where Abraham was credited as Righteous when He believed. True Faith to say is true needs to bear Fruit and to bear fruit requires WORK or Good work w/o Good work Faith alone will not bear fruit (1 Cor 13:2b - if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.). To LOVE is Good Work... Faith Alone is not definitive for it can be True faith or Not true Faith but Faith and Good Work (LOVE) are definitive because Faith in this is definitely True Faith ... "Good Work" done in Faith manifests true Faith but "Good Work" done in Bad faith is in essence not a Good work or it was done not out of love for other but for selfish reason ...
Put your faith to practice?
By "Acceptance/Believe" of Christ Jesus as the Son of God/Redeemer/Savior and thru "Confession/Repentance" to our sins are "100% necessary/necessity" for Salvation (no exceptions), while "Baptism is also needed (as part of the rituals for salvation) but NOT necessary/necessity/requires in some circumstances,... when Baptism does not need (with exceptions)?... Answer... People like Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Pagans, Gentiles, "Dying in Bed/Battle/War/Hospital/Accident, Imminent Death, etc."
A biblical good example is a "THIEF" on the Cross who died with Christ Jesus, before he died, he "accepted/believed" in Christ and "confessed/repented" his own sins to Christ but he was "Not Baptized," and still, Christ Jesus promised him of Salvation (the thief will be in paradise with Christ Jesus)... Facts and Truth, biblically speaking... Amen.
the man talking about being justified once and once far all time right now doesnt make sense.
If Jesus is our righteousness and we have been completely justified, then are you saying we do not have to become righteous ourselves and live however we please because Jesus is our righteousness and we cant also live a righteous life?
Jesus showed us how to do it and tells us to follow him, obey him to sin no more, pick up our cross and deny the lusts and pleasures of the world and to become holy and clean. He warns the churches in Rev 2 (who are all believers) that it doesnt matter if they did good things in the beginning but since they were sliding back into sin they would be judged, thrown aside, spat out of his mouth..etc unless they repented and went back to the righteous way the started off in by obeying him.
We are not "justified" or saved for all time the moment we accept Christ, that is the conversion event Paul speaks of at Eph 2:8-9. Yes we were saved from our past sins at that point, now what do we do from there?
True salvation comes when we stand before the Lord and he decides if we were truly faithful or not (this puts fear of the Lord in me).
As scripture says "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling"
If you have the attitude of "once saved always saved" you are walking a very dangerous path and prideful mentality
A person is justified by GRACE alone, not faith. Faith is a fruit of the Spirit and this faith WILL be a living faith opposed to a dead faith that James mentions. The Spirit applies the faith of Christ to the elect sinner as a branch is connected to the Vine and life will flow from this union. The born from above sinner then produces good works for God is working in them both to will and do of His good pleasure.
By the way Ligonier, there is no such thing as Progressive Santification - one is either Holy or Unholy. All in Christ are perfectly Holy and blameless before Him in love. The believer grows in knowledge of the Grace of God in his life after the new birth ; the old Adamic nature remains the same , totally corrupt until death.
Christ be with you
no sanctification is a process
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. (rom 6:22)
God bless you
Martin Luther forgot to enter change the words. 😅
"Barking" doesn't make me a "dog"...but if I am a dog.. I will BARK. 🐕
Paul vs James is a false narrative. It assumes, incorrectly, that the Apostle Paul had been redeemed. from the Law when James wrote his epistle. Actually, the Crucifixion that would accomplish that redemption was still in the future. Both James and Paul talk abut faith but from two drastically different perspectives. James from his day to day experiences with Jesus before the Crucifixion, and Paul, decades later, from his supernaturally derived lessons from the Ressurected Savior.
The reformation caused so much heresy!
James 2:24 "One is justified by works, not by faith alone." How clear does James have to be? You can do all kinds of fancy dancing around it, but James just tells us that he does not agree with justification by faith alone.
God is sinless, we can't reach that level, hence our behaviour as saved Christians will not always be perfect, how do we deal with that imperfection [aka sin] in our lives, we repent and become better people, better Christians. The perfect state is only brought about by us being covered in the blood of the lamb before we go before God so He does not see these imperfections us Christians HAVE.
Definition of justification: "The action of declaring or making righteous in the sight of God". The first dude twists it to also mean "justifying" our faith to other humans by our works. Huh? Provide a scriptural support of that tale. The contortions you guys are resorting to, as well as eisegesis, shoe horning the scriptures into your pet belief that all that is needed is faith. My goodness, James 2:19 says that the demons believe and shudder, they have faith in God that he will do all he sets out to do, in fact most likely more faith than any imperfect human. They have been in God's presence and witnessed the material world being created, are they saved too? With this faith and works discussion, I feel like I'm in crazy town with you guys and your ilk. How much plainer can it be than James 2:24 "Ye see, then, that out of works is man declared righteous, and not out of faith only." Young's literal translation. You say the exact opposite! 🤪
2:00 What is James 15 verse 6 … what did he mean to say?
Edited: oh he meant Genesis 15:6
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yes but what he did not say is the the scripture given in Gen 15:5-6 was not fullfiled until Gen 22:15-19
St James tells us this (James 2:21-24)
God bless you
The issue with reformation is they separate 2 main doctrines "forensic justification" simply defined 'changes within man' by God and no outward change in man. And regeneration defined as 'outward changes' in man. Forensic justification comes first.... this is a man made doctrine (Westminster confession) during the 1600s this teaching is unbiblical. The bible teaches Justification and regeneration happens at the SAME time. This is a major error with the reformation. The second speaker and the 3rd speaker are incorrect they are teachings false teachings eisegesis the verse
They do not perfectly harmonize! I don't know what is wrong with the men on this panel!
1:44 - 3:11
I love you- show me your love without works
Yes, it's like the old saying: "Don't 'tell' me you love me, SHOW me you love me".
What if we do not do any good work? So, does James only say that our work is only the fruit of our justification by faith? Shouldn't we have to have faith first before we are justified? And you say, faith is also the gift of God. Oh, no, we do not have to do anything. If God planted us, we will just grow and bear fruit. But we are not plants, our fruits just don't appear during spring and harvested in the summer. James is not saying that our work is just the fruit of our faith. "See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." (James 2:24) "Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?" (James 2:21). Abraham did some work of obedience before he was justified as righteous. So are we, we need to believe and obey, obey the commandments before we become justified as righteous. "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12).
You are not saved by protestant lies from Satan.....but by catholic truth from Christ .
But nowhere in the entire word of God will you ever read that it you are saved by faith alone it says you are saved by grace and you guys the guy that's talking at the beginning of this video is of his father the devil. It says not faith alone. And I absolutely could care less what John Calvin thought. Once said he didn't come around until about 500 years ago and you guys have been preaching a false doctor ever since
Kind of a harsh way to end the video clip.
Christ be with you
People often need to be woken up
if strange how he was unbiblical however.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. (James 2:24)
We do need to be justified and it is not by faith alone.
God bless you
yes, yes it does
The thief on the cross was not sanctified but was saved. Stop trying to somehow add works back into salvation albeit cleverly.
Romans 4
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
James 1:1 "to the twelve tribes"....which one of those tribes is the Gentiles (you and I) ?
Christ selected Paul as :-
"chosen vessel"
"THE Apostle"
"THE Minister"
To you and I (the Gentiles)
What Paul teaches to you and I applies to you and I.
What the other Apostle taught applies to their respective audiences.
Mixing the two is what causes the confusion and debate.
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No works = no rewards in Heaven but we are still saved.
Rather a pauper in Heaven than a boaster in hell !!!
paul is talking about justification before God, James is talking about justification before others (other people)............how many "others" were there when Abraham offered Isaac?????????????????????????????? (thats the example that James gives)..............PRODUCE YOUR PROOF!!
3:12 Burk destroys Steven and John MacArthur belief that Jesus in not enough .
Does James 2:24 refute the doctrine of justification by faith alone? __________ Obviously
Protestants just hate Christianity and need to be honest about it
Christ be with you
Sorry we must obey the Law
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
only then will we be justified
For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. (rom 2:13)
God bless you
Study the doctrine of justification by faith before use biblical text out of context as proof text for your pretext.
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
- Romans 3:20, 4:2-4, 6:14-15, 11:6; 2 Corinthians 3:7-14; Galatians 3:17, 24, 4:2-3 [Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 10:16]
God is the Giver of Saving Faith.
Acts 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Philippians 1:29; Hebrews 12:2; 2 Peter 1:1.
Read who James was written to... the 12 tribes scattered abroad James 1. This is NOT Body of Christ Church doctrine. This is written to Jews in the Tribulation.
Christ be with you
thats a big story
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. (Gal 3:28)
God bless you
The English word "ALONE" in faith is not in the Bible, (just like the word Trinity, Rapture, Bible, etc.) but what ALONE truly meant was that FAITH without ANY Works/deeds inscribed/taught in the Law of Moses...
By the Grace of God, we can receive FAITH ALONE in Christ, which means "Without" any good works/deeds of/by our OWN, it is FOR FREE... But after acceptance, repentance, and baptism in the name of the Holy Trinity by our own FREEWILL...
NOW, is the time to follow and obey the teaching of Christ Jesus to DO (verb) GOOD WORKS/DEED of Charity of Love... Christ said, if you LOVE me, follow and obey MY (Christ) commandments... whose commandments?... commandments of Christ and no longer the Law of Moses... for FAITH without Good Works (Charity of Love) is a "Dead Faith." ... Amen.
Analogy... for example... if we like to practice Engineering in the country, one must first pass the Professional Engineer's Licensure "ALONE" without passing any Medical/Nursing Licensure to practice Engineering... same logic... I hope everyone understands now what the word "ALONE" truly meant... Peace be with you in Christ Jesus...
Christ be with you
sorry we are not saved until we are baptised, born again (rom 6:3-4)
to be saved we must have faith, repent and be bapristed
to receive eternal life we must obey (Heb 5:9)
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 Please, try to read again my comments, it seems you have a low reading comprehension to understand what you are reading... thanks... peace be with you...
@@jvlp2046
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Faith I’d not alone if it requires repentance and baptism.
It has love that is required to obey God and do these works
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 By "Acceptance/Believe" of Christ Jesus as the Son of God/Redeemer/Savior and thru "Confession/Repentance" to our sins are "100% necessary/necessity" for Salvation (no exceptions), while "Baptism is also needed (as part of the rituals for salvation) but NOT necessary/necessity/requires in some circumstances,... when Baptism does not need (with exceptions)?... Answer... People like Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Pagans, Gentiles, "Dying in Bed/Battle/War/Hospital/Accident, Imminent Death, etc."
A biblical good example is a "THIEF" on the Cross who died with Christ Jesus, before he died, he "accepted/believed" in Christ and "confessed/repented" his own sins to Christ but he was "Not Baptized," and still, Christ Jesus promised him of Salvation (the thief will be in paradise with Christ Jesus)... Facts and Truth, biblically speaking... Amen.
@@MrKev1664 Faith ALONE means by the Grace of God, FAITH is absolutely FREE (no fee) without any Work/Deed from the Law of Moses... In order to have God's Grace of Free FAITH in Christ Jesus, a person must first BELIEVE, then ACCEPTANCE and CONFESSION/REPENTANCE (100% necessarily/necessity/requirements without exception) for SALVATION... while BAPTISM and GOOD WORKS/DEEDS (Charity of Love for their neighbors/foes) is also needed, but NOT ALWAYS necessarily required with some exemption to the rule... like People who are non-believers dying from their bed, hospital, accident, war, battle, and imminent death... Example... The thief dying on the Cross with Christ Jesus... No Baptism and No Good Works/Deed (Charity of Love for their Neighbors/foes) but still Christ Jesus promised salvation to the thief... Facts and Truth, biblically speaking...
No, it doesn't refute it.
Christ be with you
in what way do these word not refute faith alone
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. (James 2:24)
all these men do is try to tell a story but the words are clear.
St Paul never believed faith alone
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. (1 cor 13:2)
it simply a lie
Most people nolonger know what faith in Jesus Chris is
do you
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 quoting James 2:24 out of context seems to be the only response Catholics have.
You seem to forget or ignore Paul's words in Ephesian 2:8 "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God"
@@HearGodsWord
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How is it out of context?
Isn't this verse what is being discussed.
It speak of Justification. (James 2:24)
it relates it to being save (James 2:14)
I don't forget St Paul's words in Eph 2:8
He does not say "faith alone", he says "faith".
I have already showed you St Paul says it must faith must have love (1 Cor 13:2)
We see that St Paul tells us that this is faith is worked by Love (Gal 5:6)
We seem him tell us that it must establish the Law (Rom 3:31)
Its the protestant trick to claim context but to provide no evidence that it is being used out of context,
St John tells us
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.(1 john 3:7)
But protestants run around trying to decieve.
Can you even tell me what faith in Jesus Christ is?
What must be believed?
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 Ephesians 2:8 is very clear that we're saved by faith, so you should stop tying to add other things.
James 2:24 affirms the truth Protestants beleive.
@@HearGodsWord
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No Eph 2:8-9 tells us we are saved by Grace.
you seem to be having trouble reading
james 2 says we are not justified by faith alone
That not what any protestant I have ever heard say
are you just going to make stuff up?
God bless you
Oh dear...
"By the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified"
But works are an intrinsic part of justification: the works of the Spirit, of faith within the walk / journey of faith.
If no libertarian self determining will exists, then the Calvinists are right and we cannot apostasise once regenerated by God's effectual deterministic (arm twisting) grace.
If we do possess free will... then synergy is a reality and we can apostasise and therfore we are to work out what He works in (cooperate) until the end.
I'd rather follow the exegesis of the first 1500 years of church history than that of a Protestant invention which involves constant and great Scriptural gymnastics to make all the warning passages mean something that they never did.
Amen ; )
Except that it wasn't invented by Protestants. Much of Reformed theology can be traced back to the early church fathers.
@@HearGodsWord
Peace to you who read X
(I may be stating the obvious, but there is a distinction, and indeed a difference between the ancient and reformed views)
Of course, all born of the Spirit Christians believe that we are justified by faith (the faithfulness of Christ), His all sufficient everything is not in question. But when comparing the fathers and the reformers and their core doctrines... Do we find...
Man existing with a weakened will and dead to God (relationally)... Yes ! Agreed.
Substititionary atonement - Yes !
Foreknown and predestined - Yes !
But...
Totally depraved and either determined to heaven or hell... No ! (with the exception of Augustine and some of the reformers)
Penal substitutionary atonement (as in the cross primarily being about the satisfaction of God's wounded honour and the exhaustion of His wrath)... No !... satisfaction bit (as the reformers interpret it) - not till Anselm of Canterbury in the 11th century... and the wrath bit - not until the 16th.
In reading about the earliest views of the Atonement and how they might relate with the Reformed understanding, it's so important to read the fathers in context and by authors who belong to whatever ancient tradition that the fathers were themselves a part of (oriental, western or eastern Orthodox for example). For whatever "additions" these Communions may have accrued over the years, they still maintain and rejoice in firm Theological, Christological and Soteriological convictions of the first few centuries of their existence. Though there are a couple of quotes within the early father's about the satisfaction of God 's justice, it is always within the emphasis and balance found within the Patristic mindset regarding the atonement that existed for the first 1000 years of church history... which goes something along these lines...
(this is not aimed at you, just anyone who might be reading this)
The atoning work of the Son pleased and satisfied the Father, for "For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself", and He was wounded that the ancient wound of sin and its alienating effects might be healed as He reversed every cursed consequence of our disobedience... Within Himself (The God-Man - The Offering - The High Priest - The Mediator between God and man) ... by becoming a curse.
He was stripped and shamed that we might be reclothed in immortality and our true dignity... for the chastisement that brought us peace was upon Him (Isaiah 53) - He took it all upon and into Himself... for us...
He died our death in order to do what we could never do... Reconcile us to Himself... "For the joy set before Him He endured the cross, scorning its shame", for it is we who, like wayward sheep, had gone astray and walked away and hidden from His Presence; and it is God Who we ultimately hurt with every sin we commit... for He Is Love; and this Love, the Good Shepherd, has descended to find us - as one of us - to seek and to save us.
He Who "remembereth that we are dust", has, in pity for us, identified fully with us. As Gregory Nazianzus said in the 4th century, "that which is not assumed, is not healed"... And glory to God ! He has assumed the entirity of our nature by His Incarnation.
In love He suffered and took our fall, for else we would inevitably have to die and suffer alianation from Him if someone (the Son of God and Son of Man) had not "in our stead".
He showed forth His righteous judgement of sin and reconciled and cleansed our nature by His Incarnation and death: With His arms outstretched, we put Him to death ! And He therefore defeated the enemy (who had no hold on Him) for Christ suffers an unjust comdemnation, that we also, in Him, might not be justly condemned.
Through the Eternal Spirit He absorbed and experienced the collective consequences and effects of our transgression and the energies of iniquity, detroying death by His very own !
He "tasted death" - emptying it of its power ! absorbing it all into His Divine Person and disarming and dispelling all the powers of darkness by the Light of His Divinity !
What looked like the ultimate defeat, was in fact the victory of good over evil and the recreation of the entire cosmos.
He did this all by is own choice, relationally, and in love. Without compromising His uncreated (Holy) Nature (as God) or the free and loving response of created nature (as man), or violating the laws of cause and effect within the spiritual and physical universe which He had formed and set in motion, the "Logos made man" laid down His Life...
And took it back up again !
The Father "laid upon Him the iniquity of us all"... yet according to the predetermined foreknowledge and plan of God, it was us and the demonic powers that smote and afflicted Him...
"It was our sin that held Him there"
The Father was not pitted against the Son; for the Trinity is One in will and in love.
And neither should we say that it was just "the human nature within Him" that God was somehow punishing, for that would amount to Nestorianism in its denial of the true orthodox understanding of the union within the One Person of the God - Man.
God freely forgives... For He is Merciful. Through Christ's ministry, all Righteousness was fullfilled "finished". He came to recue us, not from God (though the judgment surely awaits those who will be found not in Christ), but from the enemy and from ourselves (the dominion and captivity of sin). He is our cleansing. His sacrifice is both propitious and expiative; it is, as Ephesians 5:2 says, "holy and pleasing to God"... but the emphasis is on the change effected within man, for whom God became man. For He is the Lamb Who takes away the sin of the world; Who is the ransom to the way things are on every level of being and existence, and Who redeemed us by His Blood (His eternal life).
He united humanity and divinity within Himself and so made the Way for us - through Himself, the "Ark" which is His Body through which we were reconciled; and it is now - in Him and His Body - the Church - where we find sanctuary and shelter from the wrath that is to come... For in union with Him there is no condemnation.
Jesus upheld all the requirements of Righteousness and became the perfect "offering", "sacrifice"....
"the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring us to God"
He, as the creed says, "suffered and was buried"... And on the third day was raised up ! and we with Him ! and In Him !
Glory to our God the Triune King of Eternity ! Praise His Holy Name !!!
@@emilesturt3377 a lot of words there that doesn't show my comment to be wrong
@@HearGodsWord
Christ be with you
*you say*
Except that it wasn't invented by Protestants. Much of Reformed theology can be traced back to the early church fathers.
response
No it doesn't
the church fathers are twist they same way scripture are so often.
the very nature of faith in Jesus Christ has Changed,
Faith in Jesus Christ was trusting son of God to keep his promise to give the gft of eternal life to those who repent and love God and those who love will live by his teaching. (Luke 6:46-49)
Most protestants declaration of the Gospel leaves no place for the teaching of Christ but instead produce the false fruit of apathy making it unnecessary to obey him and therfor love him.
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 we'll disagree as I don't recognise the claim you make about protestantism in any church I've been in
Alone was added to the bible by Martin Luther... Secondly, increase in grace by works IE strengthening our faith by works is biblical... Look up merit vs earned.
My goodness those are some exegetical gymnastics. Read the Church Fathers.
Much of Reformed theology can be traced back to the early church fathers. However, and more importantly, can be traced back to scripture.
@@HearGodsWord faith alone was not part of the Church Fathers’ theology. You can find some things out of context that sound like faith alone but then read the same writing in a different spot that will contradict it. Clement is a good example of this. Furthermore, the Fathers held to the sacrifice of the mass, the real physical presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and baptismal regeneration. They held monasticism in high esteem (Athanasius on St Anthony of the desert for example) as well. Where do we see them hold to TULIP? Or double predestination? Or the abolishment of free will? Maybe someone could find some little snippet here or there and I haven’t read all the Fathers but I have yet to read any of them that sound Reformed for longer than a sentence or two.
@@charliek2557 I'm comfortable that my comment is accurate enough.
@@HearGodsWord can you show me some early church father writings, teaching the same theology as what Protestant teach today ? I really can’t find anything. Everything they teach is Catholic……
@@mathewcatherine8172 that's such a generalisation that just raises a lot of questions. The reformers didn't invent anything they taught but it's fine if you don't want to believe that.
Do you see all the theological gymnastics that has to happen When You Believe in covenant theology if we would just rightly divide the scripture and realize that we are not spiritual Israel we are Gentiles and Paul is our apostle the reason why Paul says things so vastly different than James it's because James is speaking to the 12 tribes of Israel not to Gentiles we get our Doctrine for the church today from Romans through Philemon please teach more on the mystery of the body of Christ revealed to Paul by Jesus himself
@Wayne, dispensationalism claims there are two ways of salvation: One for national Israel and one for " the church age." Wayne, how were people saved under the Mosaic Covenant?
No gymnastics here as its very simple
😂😂😂 these guys r just crazy....they're soo wrong....the answer is very simple...WHOM are they writing to...the answer is in James 1:1
He is writing to the Jews. So what’s your point?
@@jconsi8255 and Paul is the apostle 'appointed to the GENTILES'....and later progressed to no difference between the two groups...James was preaching faith+works salvation which Jesus and the apostles taught
Wrong
@@joelsuraj2501 Are you saying that for Gentiles salvation comes through faith alone but for the Jews it’s faith plus works?
@@jconsi8255 previously that was the case for the Jews...do u not remember Jesus asking ppl TO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS, GIVE ALL YOUR POSSESSIONS for eternal life??...arent they exactly WORKS??
"Does James 2:24 refute the doctrine of justification by faith alone?"
Indeed it DOES!
No differently; than Jesus refuting Deuteronomy 24:1 when He said in...Mathew 19:3-8. And refuting Mathew 1:1 when Jesus said in...John 8:58 and Mathew 22:45. He also, refuted Hebrews 6:4-6 and 10:26 when He said in..Mark 3:28-29.
There are many others too. IE: James simply was inspired by satan; to write what he did. But Jesus inspired Paul to get it right when he said...Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 3:28. However Paul was led by satan when he wrote 2 Timothy 3:16 was a lie; yet Jesus inspired him to write 1 Timothy 3:16 which was the truth. Oh indeed.
This means ALL bibles have enumerable errors. Oh indeed. For bible scholars have known this for centuries; but foolish Christians (especially preachers) can't stand the notion that a bible is not "innerant or infallible".
So satan inspires them to lie and "worship" a book; by forcing them to turn lies into "truths". How sad. THIS is why we have so many different doctrines, dogmas and churches (all over the world); debating, arguing and fighting with each others. Sad indeed. Thus...
...I believe that Jesus does NOT want us to ever make a book; the "Ultimate Gospel". Rather come to HIM; so He can guide, lead and direct us AROUND the satan-led lies; and latch onto the "Golden" truths. For "THAT" is true Wisdom from Jesus. Praise His Holy Name. Proof...
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was within God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
This means: Calling any book "The word of God" is Blasphemy; For Jesus IS the only "Word" of God ever. Praise His Holy name...
...In any case Brethren, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!
So, calling any book the Word of God is blasphemy... yet you cite the book of John to prove your point that Jesus is the Word of God. Is that portion of John the word of God?
James was not inspired by Satan, it’s surely great blasphemy to say what was inspired by the Holy Spirit is common. James was the brother of Jesus, all scripture is infallible.
Just because Jesus is the word incarnate does not mean the Bible is not the word of God, indeed the 10 commandments written on tablets of stone were the words of God, they came from Gods mouth and were written by His finger. Jesus is the Word of God made flesh, dwelling among us.
If the scriptures are not the word of God, then why did Jesus uphold the Holy Scripture as the final authority when He used it to refute Satan in the wilderness? the Scripture given by God was the infallible word by which Christ lived perfectly, as He is the word made flesh. God incarnate.
You can’t in one breath say Paul is guided by the spirit in one area of instruction, yet say Satan has guided him in another. Did not Christ appoint him as an apostle? Why would Christ appoint an apostle to speak falsehood and not repent? It’s cherry picking at best to say that Paul was misguided but also uphold his other teachings, I don’t think there is any evidence anywhere in church history that suggests he was guided falsely.
@@korymcconkey834 What else do you expect from someone who says you are only to pray to Jesus....not the Father.