Shimano Stella or Daiwa Saltiga
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2017
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Just realised we never actually said that if you're looking at getting the Saltiga or Stella just go to a tackle shop and try them both, most likely you'll know which one to get after that hands-on feel. Should prolly add that we've never felt the new Van Staals and are just going off past experience with an old model, they are super rare over here in Australia so we actually don't know what the new ones are like (could be that they're more on the Saltiga/Stella level in terms of feel now).
MorningTide Fishing for my always be the same ... it's like who you love more dady or mamy ... with this two reel are the same you can't decide between your father's you love both.. it's the same between this two reels
I am just surprised you didn't talk about the drag a bit more. I feel like a fair amount of people probably picked the Dogfight because of its supposedly superiority in max drag. 66lbs vs 55lbs is big enough a difference. But, does it really matter in the real world? Can people actually handle 66lbs of max drag or rod for that matter? Is probably more of a perception thing that the Dogfight is a tougher reel because of its max drag. Oh and the name probably helps too LOL.
MorningTide Fishing what do u think of the penn slammer 3
25kg for the Stella and 30kg for the Saltiga isn't that much difference. A good real world example is the latest Oman film where Jonny's fighting those GT. He showed me what drag he was using and it felt like about 15kg - 20kg, if needed he would hold the spool at times to add extra pressure and when I asked him about that he said he prefers to do it by hand so the actual drag is more manageable and you can control when you a want to dead set stop it without adding a dangerous amount of drag (dangerous in terms of running along the rock and all of a sudden it decides to go again mid step and you go flying haha).
On this next GT trip I think I'll take a similar approach with the Dogfight and have the drag sitting around 15kg-20kg and just lock up by palming the spool.
One extra thing to think about is on the Oman trip all the fellas there were using Stellas...
Haven't felt the Slammer mate, few people talking about it though so we'll have to suss it out.
sure catch 8000 from Kmart is where it's at boys
tommy nolan nah get a Shakespeare Durango
Nah zebco bro
JARVIS WALKER FOR LIFE!!!
I have a BG and I absolutely love it...best 100$ reel I've ever had.
Brad Mundie's I have one too there so good for a cheap reel
A BG would shit it’s pants if u took it ledge fishin lolll
Guys! thank you for making vids! I told a lot of people to watch your stuff. Not because of the big fish but rather because of having a good time together, be with the nature and talk about the best thing you can do with your freetime. I hope I can bring to fishing with it. So, thanks a lot. (BTW skip the subtitles, the world needs more of aussi talking;) ) So, thanks, Rob.
I've been waiting for someone to do this comparison. Ty fellas
I really wish who's left of the crew would still make videos like this..... miss these.
I have two saltigas a 5000h and the dogfight 8000h and you guys are exactly right when you have a nice setup thats smooth quiet good drag and holds lots of line and can handle big fish without falling apart it makes it a lot more fun. I had two penns it was like crankin a bucket of bolts. I have friends that have stellas and van stalls and I know in the back of their minds they wish they would have gotten a saltiga. good vids man keep it up!
IM DEPLORABLE you're insane! Stella all day...
ha this could go on and on like these guys in the video. lol
That is the same problem I had with Penn was the drag.
i have a 2 FINNOR OFFSHORE rells MODEL 2017, 60lb max drag CRAZY SMOOTH DRAG, 500 YARDS POWER PRO 65LB BRAID, is just a work horse, i love it!!!!
BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK.... OUT THERE...
All Three of these reels, are strong, smooth and beautiful, I will just be patient and wait for the new Shimano Stella 2018 (I hope 2018) , till now I use a customized Saltiga Z 4500 2001 model, and never had problems dealing with big pelagic fish!
Keep up, uploading amazing and extremely useful videos, either from here or from Cavy fishing channel! Cheers 😊
i just kept hearing dogfart and laughing
Hello Morning Tide Fishing mates, greetings again from Peru....as usual I always enjoy a lot your videos. Your discussion about Daiwa and Shimano reels was very interesting to me. I recall that some months ago I asked you about Van Staal reels vs Saltiga, and you recommended me to go for the VS because the way of fishing I do (inside the shore with the water up to my chest, having salt water and suspended sand falling to my reels permanently). Something important that you mention was about the VS weight... Van Staal feels heavier than Daiwa Saltiga . In addition and after trying the Daiwa Saltiga 5000, I can confirm that the Van Staal is heavier and harder, the Saltiga is very smooth and lighter, both have similar drag, VS is easier for maintenance, Saltiga is a little more expensive but nothing relevant, and finally both are great reels. Finally I decided to go for another VS because it is really sealed and very reliable. Salt water and sand do not affect the reel at all, and you only need to rinse with fresh water every time you are back at home. Thank you for sharing your experience!!!!
Yeah, that's a great point mate, VS really is for getting sandy and salty, they're made for it. The Saltiga/Stella aren't, but we don't use them for surfcasting and nowadays are very careful not to get them wet! So different reels, different applications. I'm glad the VS worked out for you!
MorningTide Fishing u got be joking both reels good enough for surfcasting n have some dunks n heavy splash offcourse not by anymeans reel them under water or throw them in sand ) My saragosa 6000 having multiable dunks in every trip ( 6hrs or more of surfcasting 10 times a month ) n still running smooth .. Best reel for money surely is saragosa n the best money can buy is stella , well this is me.
We used to get the Saltiga/Stellas pretty wet every time we went fishing (dunks) and there would be something pretty seriously wrong with them within about 3-6 months of this kind of use. We only ever rinse them after a fish though so if you're doing proper maintenance maybe they last longer, nowadays we try not to let them even get splashed (still do a bit) and they're lasting closer to 9 - 12 months. What we know of the VS you can even fish them under water no worries, just a rinse after is all they need so that's why we recommended the VS over the Stella/Saltiga (for being submerged each time he went).
Have both, the saltiga has a slight edge(barely noticeable until you fish each for a while) in smoothness and cranking power also feels lighter than the stella , I like the stella's egg power handle knob better, drag clicker sounds great and of course their platinum care plan is the best. All things considered the performance goes slightly towards the saltiga but the Stella's worry free warranty is the deciding factor. Until daiwa picks up their customer service Ill recommend the stella just on that factor alone. If funds is an issue don't hesitate to get the saragosa sw 20k. Ive also used the quantum cabo 100 though enough to gauge the durability it felt super solid and has the same max drag as the expedition 65+ lbs
Great info mate!
MorningTide Fishing thanks bros love y'all's channel. Content is super original
only fish Van Staal Vr series now... they are killer!
You inspired me to release more fish
Thanks
Thank you guys. I watch you from El Salvador, Central America. Nice channel you have here. I hope I can go some day over that shores and catch a monster GT. ✌🏽 tight lines!!
I think years ago Shimano was the leader, but then they got a little complacent. The name Shimano was enough for the sale.Then Daiwa came back & hit the market really hard. The gearing & the sturdiness of the reels won a lot of people over. The big boy rods that Daiwa have put out are just awesome!
god i love my okuma metaloid md60s from 2002 12kgs of drag with a titanium spoollip never serviced it to date and still goes hard
always love to see u guys together...
Agree.. It is base on personal preferences. In terms of reels performance, Both reels are actually awesome mate.. Nice vid.. Cheers..
I have both and love them. I usually tell people they are on the same level. Both fully sealed bailed tanks. The saltiga has a lighter start up due to how light their rotor is (in the smaller sizes) so if you fish needles or gliders you might want to go saltiga as it's easier to maintain that "contact" when fishing slow. Funny you mentioned Alan. Prior to him doing the Speros review. He and I chatted and since I did quite a few reviews on the previous gosa I'd do the gosa review and he'd do the spheros. (same with the quantum. I did the smaller cabo 50 he did the larger) Lots of time and effort go into the reviews. We didn't want to step on each other's toes :)
Great video.
And yeah..daiwa service can be a black hole. Had a bad experience with an MP3000...30 days no word...1000$ repair bill...I've had stellas serviced and they've returned them un touched even though parts (gears and bearings) were listed on the work order as being replaced.....I know because the problem persisted and I opened them to confirm...(my grease was still on the main gear)
I never bought the new stella because I feel the 08 stella is a more solid fishing tool. The new stella just seems like an over priced stradic..where as the old stella had better gearing, and the line roller and more rugged seals.
Tackle Advisors r u sure ! Better gears when 13 main gear is 20% thicker n stronger reel handle etc .. Not even if istated by alan hawk
I think the pinion of the 08 is a better material, and the main gear is plenty strong. There aren't too many reports of stripped stella main gears. They're out there...just not many. And the stronger handle...Sure they can make one out of a crow bar. But is it necessary. I never heard of a stella handle getting loose or failing....Though I had a 250lb bigeye hit the spread at a 90 and before the clip popped the line layed on my SW's handle knob...Shredded the rubber and cooked the bearings :)
Even if you're capable of fishing 50lbs of drag...you can really only winch a few pounds realistically. The beefed up main gear seemed like a way to advertise "stronger" while actually being cheaper and adequate. The stainless pinion (and that sucker is polished smooth not like most stainless pinions)and main gear with the same size and pattern gear teeth made from the same material (forged hardened aluminum I think chemically hardened) just not as thick ...Really doesn't do much to "strengthen" the gear. As the brass pinion will wear faster.
I love stellas. I have owned 6 (3 now 2 FI's 1 08 sw) I just not the biggest fan of the 13 sw. I love metaniums but thing the Antares is an overpriced bloated Novelty..Love the Stradic and fully believe it is superior to the current sustain. but hope this years upcoming Sustain is the reel deal.
Now that you have both...Do you think the Stella has a smoother drag under higher drag pressure?
I use a Shimano Bait Runner. It allows the fish to take it as it applies more and more tension
Great video guys!! they're both awesome reels but gotta go with the Daiwa it's just such a BEAST of a reel the the stella!!
Those are both good boat reels. For what you guys do Van Stalls is what you need.
great video guys.... tight lines
Great vid
I have a Penn Slammer 3, and have worked with the Stella Dogfight, doing mostly vertical jigging, and some rock livebaiting/popping. Would say that for finesse, Stella first. Its got heaps of drag for wight and turns effortly whereas Dogfight is more beasty and feels like your holding a sturdy reel. Both are crazy expensive though. The Penn Slammer 3 is cheap, smooth, slightly heavier but built like a tank. It's fully waterproof with their sealing system and has amazing frag. To be honest, I would just about say Penn Slammer is best if you want to abuse it and put it through any test possible
Andre Pienaar what slammer do you have?
Wade Barrett 6500 with 50lb 8x multicoloured braid
Andre Pienaar I've got a 10500 and I love it
You blokes need a sponsorship...
Mike Ross yep there’s nothing like getting paid to have an opinion hey 👍
Hey boys just fyi there is a bloke in Brisbzzne QLD named Duncan and his buisness is D&H Reel Repairs, he does a quality job and at a more affordable price, there really isnt anything he cant fix and i personally have watched the process he goes through to sevice all reels and i can say he is very thorough . Tight lines.
what about the regular Saltiga? what are the opinions on that reel?
Saltiga for me! !!
congrats!
The dogfight has daiwa’s new ATD drag which reduces sticking, and the expedition has the old drag.
nice video, i'm also fishing both of them (saltiga 5000H and stella 18000sw) and can't say which one i like more. The customer support and the magseal system is definitely a point but yeah. Big night yesterday cavy? :)
I'm tough on equipment, sand and surf. Van Staal VR150 for me. Not as smooth as others but 1/2 the price and can handle about anything. Wash with warm water, 2 years old still looks and performs like new.
How many seasons or years you get from these reels before done ... If getting big salt water baths all day how long gonna last before time for new ... Any Penn reels you would recommend with same high end performance thanks love the videos
thoughts on the Daiwa BG series? In terms of performance and durability how far it is away from the saltiga and stella
pretty far man
Chasing the white long sleeve that you have on Cavy... Any info on when yous are restocking your apparel?
www.morningtidefishing.com/collections/apparel/products/mtf-psycho We're in a pretty weird zone at the moment with apparel because we're switching over to a bigger manufacturer and it's kinda taking a lot longer than we expected. There's a few sizes left for that ^ but I'm guessing not your size. Bear with us for a couple more months and things should start flowing again with new designs and big restock.
That shoulder sniff though lol.
Yeah I’ve used zeebaass and van staals as well. Not the most refined reels out there especially for the price. They are made to be fished while submerged in water. Built like a tank but as smooth as the sandpaper haha. Hope to buy the new saltiga someday lol, just bought the daiwa certate 19 LT 5000D and love it. Best American reel is the penn slammer in my opinion, they just get real heavy the higher in size you go up but they have a lot of drag and are tough. Much smoother than than the staals. Grew up fishing with penny reels but that daiwa certate is in a whole other league haha
Daiwa needs to make a reel that SCREAMS “WOOW, WOOW”, when getting spooled. Cavy wouldn’t even have to say shit.
what about Daiwa Saltist? price range from $180-$220 us dollar?
Where did you snag the line holder on the dogfight? What is it or do you guys sell them?
nice video guys !
If cavys in the vídeo I automatically like the vid lol
Both are excellent reels. But we are scared to invest big amount in those reels. Because We are in Turkey and Those brands' guarantee and services here are total crap. Especially shimano Turkey's service here is always robbing us. I am fed up complaining about them. Anyway So we can t get those for a while . We will go with OKUMA AZORES since they provide life time guarantee here in Turkey.
good job,love ur video. thx
I have both but the bearings and body of Stella are more resistance to corrosion. Upgrade both to ceramic bearings that’s what I recommend.
hello guys!!amazing videos!!!do u know if the Shimano Stella SW-B 8000 HG can use the 14000 XG spool?i need a little more capacity!ty
I have a twin power sw 8000, they are cheaper than the Stella but it feels just as good as my Stella 8000
they both are good reel, I like stella because the reel sound very great when I get fish, and black color looks pro, even most people tell me saltiga better than it, but I still love it. so pick which u love
Hey guys, just wanted to recommend a place to service your reels. I would highly recommend Reel spa, he mainly services Japanese reels. Basically hes really good at servicing reels and if you see his Facebook page he has saved reels in the worst conditions you'll ever see. He is located in Singapore but shippings pretty cheap considering his servicing fees are pretty good as well.
Ahh that saltiga.... how i miss it. But it was short lived until service time.
I would be really interested to know what you guys think of the Quantum Cabo PTSE 100 or 120 reels and the new Penn Torque II 9500 spinning reel if you ever get the opportunity try them. Awesome videos guys! Tight lines! Cheers!
Hi mate, before reading the comments in this vid we hadn't heard of either but since looking em up they seem like a pretty rad reels for the price. When we have some excess coin we'll have to buy a few of these reels everyone's talking about and see how they go.
I’ve been running the Diawa Saltist 6500 and a shimano speedmaster 10ft medium action 30-50 and I have landed two 30 lb GT
A good daiwa is the arid range I have had experience with the aird and it spins like a spheros but just not as good as the spheros pls respond.
I've got a shimano symetre 4000j works great catch pretty much what I hook and have no problems using for long times and no problems with smoothness compared to both penn and Diawa I feel it out-performs tho I may be slightly bias since I've used it for years and years
The expedition has the looks and performance
please , I want to answer
what is the maximum thread for shimano Twin Power sw 14000 and what is the best kind please
Thank you
It's not fair to add van staal to the list. Waaay different monster. Can't use the saltiga or Stella in the surf the way real van staal users use them. I will never use Van Staal the way I would use either a Stella or saltiga. Different tools for different purpose.
Hey mate yeah only talk about it here because we're asked daily "why don't you use Van Staal" "Van Staal would be perfect for you". We really do just care about the feel of the reel and after 5 days spinning in the hot sun when you're 7 hour into that day's session you really, REALLY have to love the feel of ur setup to have the energy to keep spinning. In the past I've seen all of the boy's sit down when it's quiet because they don't love their gear and when we put this much time and $ into our trips we gotta make the most of it.
And you're totally right, our Saltigas and Stellas wouldn't last a day in the surf and we're not trying to take anything away from the Van Staals durability, just for our application it's not suitable but we're trying to get that across so we don't have to keep answering the same question haha.
Thanks for the reply. I've watched your vids, great content and very entertaining. That being said, I haven't seen any of your fishing vids that you would require using a van staal. It will be pointless with your style of fishing. Whoever asked you why not use it, are smoking something pretty potent
Totally agree. Different tools for different jobs.
Yup. Best is just get both Saltiga & Stella. Usually for a trip, I'll bring 2 Daiwa, 2 Stella. In the event that I got spooled by a fish. I will just change a reel and continue fishing.
Flatheadfletch interesting to know because you always here the opposite! How old is your saltiga if you don’t mind me asking
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This video was reelly good guys good job!
I have the following Shimano Stella reels:
Shimano Stella 4000FB
Shimano Stella FW 4000S
I am looking to buy a slightly larger spare spool for each of the reel.
Can you tell me if the 5000 spools size (in the same series) will fit the 4000 size reels.
How about the maxdrag of saltiga 5000 vs the max drag of stella 8000. Is it still ok to choose saltiga 5000? 15kg vs w8kg
How many Desmonds does it take to change a lightbulb?
To My Fellow Fishing Mates ,Down Under 'Thanks for the Insight and the Jovial Entertainment and Comradery nothing like Friendships bonded by the Waters and the Persuit of the Big Fish, You Guys Keep up the Good Work Catch the Big Ones , From a Fellow Fisherman Yank , in Mystery Babylon America .God Bless
You make awesome videos
You guys tried any of the big Penn reels, if so how do they stand up tithe really big fish you guys chase. Should try a Alvey reel on a rock rod set up for the Alvey just for a challenge and how long it lasts.
Im buying a new Daiwa Saltiga BJ3500H, i am going to use it for casting lures in saltwater, what do you recommend for Braid Test for lures like Big poppers, spoons, lures, jigs, etc. Thanks, great channel! Also it holds PE 2 at 200m and PE 1.5 at 300m, i am looking for brands more like PowerPro, Spiderwire, BullBuster etc.
Hi mate it all depends on how big these "Big" poppers are, like how heavy are the lures you want to throw? Also what species and size of fish are you after and what's your rod's rated to?
The new Vans are nice
What about the new okuma makaira spinning reel coming ?
Pretty expensive too
Looks solid
Only just heard about it here in the comments, looks interesting and hopefully is a rival to the Saltiga/Stella!
shimano for life man
Penn 850 ssm is what i have and i think its great for big fish.
Brooksy channelling a bit of dame edna 😂
hahahaha
Van staal and zeebass is made for striped bass and only striped bass and good thing is they are fully sealed besides one van staal. The staal and zeebass is made for sand and water dunks
Be careful getting the high-end Daiwa reels serviced by third parties. Daiwa doesn't sell Saltiga-associated mag seal and drag grease so third party services can damage the current seals with inferior products. Alan Hawk has a large article on it.
ignition. I heard there r some third parties putting some seals instead of magseal oil which bring them to where they started! But still far better when u r thousand miles away from any authorized service centre
Do you guys use any Penn reels??? I got a Penn Slammer 3 and I think its amazingly built and they start at 30 lbs of drag to 60!!! I know for sure the new Penn Torque's could handle anything you throw at it!
Never tried it mate, used some cheaper penn's but that was years ago.
I do land based shark fishing and nearshore fishing with the Diawa BG 8000. I’ve been curious about the HUGE step up to the saltiga. I know it puts out more drag and slightly faster retrieve (couple inches). But why should I pay the extra 900$? The BG stands up to everything flawlessly, and while the saltiga can put out DOUBLE the drag pressure, I can’t imagine you could even crank that down to max without being RIPPED off the rocks or beach. Is there something I’m missing as to why it’s worth the step up?
What about the Twinpower 14000?
Really miss the instructional videos like rod testing, knot testing and different line/lure selection videos hope you guys can do more of them!
Hi mate, we are starting to do them on our vlog channels but haven't put up too many. Here's a GT tackle talk film if you haven't seen it - th-cam.com/video/uPMiSw_2Snk/w-d-xo.html
MorningTide Fishing Yea I've seen all your videos on all channels multiple times just cause you guys have good content.
The charter captains I know say the dog fight and Stella have the same issues and Stella’s last longer. They have also had issues with diawa’s service being slow in the US and charging for repairs on warranty reels that have been in for repair several times. I have van staal and they are definitely harder to crank “feels like you have a small fish on just retrieving the lure” I surf fish though and wouldn’t submerge Diawa and shimano but definitely wish I had a Stella when I fish out of a boat
Any opinions on Penn reels?
do you guys reel your leaders back ont your spools so you dont have to retie the fg ? also what knot do you use to attatch the leader swivel to the leader (the one that goes to the plug)
Hi Mate, Uni knot with 4 wraps to the lure. We don't wind on the leader knot to the spool and always cast with our finger on braid, some of us it's right near the finger others further up.
not sure if you guys notice it or not but there is some saltiga reels thats made from china 2015 & 2016 model ... have you guys have any experience in it ? price wise it lil bit cheaper compare the japan version ....
Haven't heard that but sounds scary!
Es sierto tener buen eguipo de spinning es primordial super buenos los tres
I own a saltiga expedition 5500h, Stella 14k and the van staal's and zeebaas when I fish the surf in the northeast. Prefer the expedition all the way!!! Van staal and zeebaas basically the same. All top of the line reels mentioned but it all boils down to personal preference
Hey, what about the Penn SS series ? Have you guys tried one?
That cheap. For small fish ok . Not good for big fish. I have 3 but now sale it . You pay what you got . Around $300 you got biomasster, sharagosa, penn slamer 3... or cheaper DaiwA bc .
What's your thoughts on the latest model Daiwa saltist?Im looking about for a new reel but in not going to be doing enough Psycho shit to want to fork out the cost of a saltiga or Stella.
Haven't used em mate so can't say! Older model Daiwa's we'd only recommend the Catalina and up but it could be these new reels are different.
Ok thanks for the feedback, I'll just chuck some money together and get a good reel. Please better to get one good one then break ten shit ones.
Exactly mate, we realised pretty quick we'd already spent close to $1000 each in about a year spinning and every reel was completely broken haha. So we just stepped up to the Catalina and Saltiga's. Actually to put an expensive reel into perspective, I just bought a lure that was $150 which I might loose to a Mackerel first cast haha, everything's relative and a $1000 reel that will last you many many years if you take care of it is actually a good investment if you plan on fishing a lot.
What is ur opinion on the shimano twin power
When are you guys getting catch and release snapbacks and black psycho shirts back in stock?
The caps are coming back in soon (next few weeks) the Black Psychos we were gunna chill on while we sort this new manufacturer out, but once this big shift happens we should be able to keep everything stocked up (just have to bare with us for a few months).
How about the Finnoir Lethal 100? Would that be an ok starter reel for this heavy work.
Stephen Galvin yes bro that is crazy value and crazy performance reel.
you are all cool, and I really like your activities in finding big fish, and your fishing techniques asaya really like it.
I want to be like you but I can't afford a tool like yours, it's impossible for me.
you are cool
Nice video👍🏼
Have you tried the penn slammer 3
Daiwa Saltiga Bay or the Daiwa SALTIGA4000H Saltiga..?? Thank for the reviews!!!
Do you guys get the saltiga bay jigging over there
Does Shimano Stella good for saltwater fishing?
What do you guys recon of the slammer 3?
If only Daiwa made a 5000-10000 Exist. I LOVE my 3000 Exist, I can fish all day with it and not even feel tired at all.
Hi Guys I am from South Africa and use a Quantum Cabo for fishing. Really big sharks and bottom fish. (Deep sea) Have you tried the Quantum?
Do a penn spinfisher ssv I have never cleaned mine and it is unbreakable. Do a torture test and you will be surprised
it's the boys! what's up dudes!
Hi Guys,
That was reeellly great. Ha Ha.
Cheers,
Steve in Scotland.