I take care of my dad's rentals. It never fails that a tenant will hook up a power strip to a power strip and have all sorts of chargers and transformers for cable boxes, gaming stuff, etc. Every receptacle is a spider's nest. We started rewiring our units so there are two duplex receptacles per box and no more that 3 boxes per 2 pole 240 breaker. Yes, each box has 240 fed to it, but I swear, I have never had to go in the middle of the night to reset a breaker. And yes...every hole has a plug in it and some still have power strips.
You could monetize that device by temporarily installing it into customers breaker panel and then provide a week or month long consumption report. Also add in a panel inspection while your at it.
OK, so I've ordered one for my house, using the ElectricianU discount code. Thanks. It means I can do planning for the future. In the SF Bay area, several cities have banned gas installations in new build, for environmental reasons, and since I agree with the effort, I'll be moving towards all-electric in my old house. But I need to knon what my usage is to know where to take this personally. I'm just a homeowner, but also a marine engineer, so I'm learning a lot of technique, but I know the technical stuff.
I’m going to need a bigger box if I keep watching Dustin’s videos. Already planning on SPD, now it looks like I need another 2 pole for this awesome device...
I have had a Sense installed in my panel for a little over 4 years. One of the most annoying things about the device detection is that it if the device has multiple types of power loads it will often show up as two devices. Such as a Dehumidifier that has a compressor and a blower. It does great on total power usage of our home. You do have to manage it to get various lights and devices learned. I would really like to see them offer little wifi power plugs that can monitor a load directly or even more clamps for branch circuits and not rely on their machine learning that can take forever or never occur.
Wemo plugs are supported and they report load and if the second CT port is open, you can directly monitor two more 120V circuits or one 240V circuit with a second CT adapter.
I hard about it but now its cool to know its awesome is like monitoring your home current load . It's like a scanning thing. Its just awesome man and great video.
@@absolutecorey your assuming a hell of a lot . You don't know the electrician or the apprentice. For all you know the apprentice is not that bright or is super intelligent. Point is you don't know. So your statement of arrogance is one of ignorance. without any ego I can say my entire career I've trained maybe 2 guys that have the potential to surpass my abilities as an electrician. I'm constantly learning and seeking out new information. They have the potential because they are both smarter than myself so with the desire could learn and understand more and on a deeper level ,possibly . With that , I've fired or watched many many more walk away because they couldn't keep up with the demands of the trade.
You should check the new panels Leviton are making for homes now. Smart breakers and real time usage in their app, been doing neighborhoods in Michigan with their new panels. Make the whole thing up at rough in too 🙌
@@drewwilhelm yes! Code wouldn’t allow people to turn them on from your phone though, which rightfully so imagine a homeowner just flipping breakers on and off all the time lol.
No one has posted a video of how to install this with solar (wiserempv), including this video. I'm amazed since this is the first time youtube has failed at not having a video on the topic
This is the same thing the new “smart” meters are doing. The power company called us a few days after the install asking which appliances were running.
They are two very different devices. I have the Emporia Vue2. The sense is all about user experience and simplicity as it offers a great app and machine learning (because it's only measuring the main entry). With the Vue2 you connect individual sensors to multiples circuits (up to 8 or 16), so more work and cable management in the panel. End the ends, it depends on what you wish to measure. Sense will detect individual appliances but may miss some others. Vue2 can't detect multiple appliances on the same circuit. For me the Vue2 was ideal as I want precise measurement of each baseboard heater.
Nice video buddy. Please put a your future videos agenda videos about solar panels. Specially a solar panel with one dedicated outlet just to charge a electric car. That would be a nice video thank you.
Great timing on this video. Been doing some research on this type of equipment to see how my solar setup is working. sense seems to be the first brand when doing any kind of search but reading reviews I see that a lot of people have issues with the app not being able to correctly ID the loads in your home. What other options are out there that I could look at? This discount is very appealing but I'd like to at least compare to other brands. Thanks
So there are basically two types of monitoring systems: 1. branch monitoring: which you have to put CTs each each breaker. Usually more expensive to install, and also more expensive if you want to monitor everything. Sometimes you might run out of space too. Then 2. software disaggregation: which you only monitor the mains, keeping installation simple, but it does have limitations when it comes to identifying devices. There is currently not a perfect solution. But I think the Wiser / Sense is overall best
@@GerardFont - I would have to disagree with you about Sense being the best. Most of the loads that would amount to the majority of your electrical bill would be on their own breaker so having a CT on those loads would give you the most useful information. Sense will take months to guess at loads and even after months of "learning", still can't figure out most of my appliances. But if it works for you, that's Great! I personally would not buy it again if I had it to do all over.
well i got the sense solar setup. was excited to install it today. when i open the panel i realize i have a 400A panel and 2 leads going to each side. apparently the only way i can use this is to use all 4 clamps for the incoming power which would leave the solar out, solar was one of the reasons i wanted to do this in the first place. any ideas? i sent Sense an email but i dont see any way around this.
This is pretty cool. One thing I wonder about is data privacy though. Beyond just collecting data for advertising.. there is a hacking technique known as a side-channel attack. It basically is a broad term describing a method of breaching a target system by monitoring data on a "side-channel" such as monitoring RF output from a crt monitor or monitoring power usage of components (could be the computer itself, the monitor or even the keyboard). Whether or not such an attack would be feasible given the current draw over mains is debatable.. but I doubt it is completely impossible. It's a really cool hacking technique though imo.
I have 2, 200 amp panels right next to each other feeding off the same meter. Both panels have 50amp solar system back feeding a breaker in each panel. So would I need 2 of these wiser units? One fir each panel or could it be done with one? Do the solar clamps come with the kit or are the optional?
I have a question partner, I just purchased a sense flex and I have a portable generator with a plug-in. I want to hook the solar donuts up to the generator. Sent says that it is design only for the auto transfer switch generator and they’re not sure if it would read correctly. I seen someone I don’t know if it was yours that run the generator wire beside the incoming branch circuit to feed the panel will that work or do you not advise that let me know like your channel Kris
That's odd, I just signed up with a test account and it worked like it should. Can you email me at dustin@electricianu.com and let me know what the issue is?
Can you make a video on how you can use the Fluke T5 in as many practical ways as possible? You know, for troubleshooting and in ways that newbies like me would never think to use.
You should do a special on the new smart panels. The breakers are over 100$. It's the future of our trade whether we like it or not. I would definitely watch it and I'll even make my employees watch it.
I would add, it doesn't need to be inside the load center. (I'd recommend it be in it's own box, or otherwise mounted outside the panel. Like every other commercial power monitor. His is outside, so he put it inside the otherwise weather resistant box.)
i think the reason why it doesn't matter if you use a 15-amp (double pole) or a 30-amp (with the 16 wire) is because the breaker is only supplying power. such a small amount of power is used to power the device anyway. it's not protecting the device's wires...there's no such breaker that small. i think other people just double tap onto a 240-volt breaker (if designed for it), but i'm not sure if you are even allowed this. i'm not an electrician :D
I looked at the sense a couple of years ago, maybe about the time this video came out. I didn’t like the way it didn’t understand many electrical signatures and reviewers said they couldn’t update what devices were mistaken by sense. For the price of this it wasn’t worth it. I need to know what each circuit is consuming. If I know usage by circuit I can make some decisions on consumption of power.
Hi Andre - Square D/Schneider is in partnership with Sense... so it's the same app. If you see the boxes/installation documents it's mentioned in several spots. Hope that answers your question. : )
I just recently got one of these but haven’t installed it yet. Seeing in the manual where it specifically says “compatible with Square D 15-30 A breakers” has me concerned, I assumed it was compatible with all types of breakers. Mine is the tan type of breakers so it’s either CH or or maybe Eaton brand. Either way I’m out of space for any more breakers so my original plan was I was going to have to do a pigtail. I was going to use 2 pieces of 10 gauge to connect to a 30 amp 2-pole breaker that is feeding my clothes dryer. Should this work?
Square D always made quality products along with great tech support. Wish they offered wider panels. Know the present 14.5" wide panels are made for 16" on center wall studs. Had to work in a 42 circuit panel that had 32 or 33 AFCI breakers. Pain in the ass to install a new circuit in no matter how neat the wires are ty rapped. Wish they would offer panels that were 20 or 22.5" wide. Nice vid.
Quick question so I’m an electrician and I’ve been doing residential for two years and I’ve always been taught to stay away from zip ties because it’s bundling the conductors but I always like to make my work look at awesome so I just have be conscious or OCD about stapling wires together thoughts on this would be appreciated
When I pulled the protective cover off my high voltage inputs into the panel it does not use insulated wire. Instead it has what appears to be uninsulated aluminum straps/bars leading the main breaker. Can I still install the monitor clamps on the uninsulated aluminum straps/bars?
I like the Eyedro system better. It comes with multiple CT's. LOL what you call current sensors is actually called a current Transformer. Ten times more accurate when you have a CT on every breaker.
It would be sick if they could put CT on each out going hot wire to monitor power consumption individually on each circuit instead of guessing which is which. Because the app pretty much guesses what is turning on or off by getting current reading off of main and it’s hard to tell by that. It’s can pretty much tell you the same info your power company can give you.
It would be sick. Literally sick! Info overload. I work in industrial plants but residential? Really now. These things are getting to be a bit too much. So, yeah, you've got the info. Plan to do anything with it? I highly doubt it. I say use the brain cells for something a little more productive.
You're reading the actual "turn on" profile/curve - not just the increase in current draw, so every device should be uniquely identifiable. Even two identical light bulbs should have slightly different profiles due differences in the length of wire and other variables to the panel.
My panel is full; can I connect it to the existing 2 pole breaker for my dryer or stove? Also, does one have access to the background data? I'd like to explicitly poll the data for my sump pump.
Hi Ron, I can answer that for you. If the breakers are Squared D, they are UL listed to be double tapped. You'd need at 2 pole breaker anywhere between 15 and 30 A. In fact, if you get the solar unit, it comes with 2 extra donuts, and you can use them to monitor specific loads with 100% accuracy. In your case, for the sump pump, and even one more load.
You can make some rearrangement on your breakers if your panel isn't that old. You can buy couple of quad breakers and fit 4 circuits instead of two (on 2 space)
I would think if the breakers are rated to be double conductors you could. All those wires are for is the small amount of power the unit required and Voltage sensing.
I'm trying to have an open mind here... I have a 200A main with 3 sub panels, pool, theater, 2 hvac systems etc...so now what am I going to do differently after this is installed ?? I think the answer is nothing...
Or if it reliably detects and monitors your HVAC system you might be surprised how much you’re using in the summer and you may either keep the house at a warmer temperature or consider upgrading the system to a more efficient one. Same thing with the pool pump you may consider having it run less or replacing it depending on the age
I would love to put something like that in my system, except the units don't support a PC version of the software. Kind of stupid to only support handhelp items.... what about a laptop PC??
Question for any electricians: I have two large panels on 200 amp service, one panel is connected to a generator with transfer switch, the other is only on street power. Should I install two of the sensors one on each panel, and is the generator a problem?
@@GerardFont no I believe that each panel gets a feed from the meter independently , then the main panel has a transfer switch to generator. I trust my electrician as the power company had to look at the meter and said they had never seen such high quality work.
The Sense unit has two additional current tap inputs that can be use to monitor any one of the following: 1. A second breaker panel 2. Two additional breakers circuits 3. Solar input 4. Generator input.
I come from the computer industry, and I am terrified by all these "smart" devices. The basic ideas are fine, but the fact that they need you to install an app and are connected to the wifi is a problem. As we're starting to see in some other industries, the companies who make the app can actually take control or take away your control. And HACKERS, man! Slightly less problematic is the fact that wifi routers have a limit to the number of devices that can be connected to it at the same time, and it seems like some people are trying their absolute best to find and exceed that limit. I really want to find something like this that has the screen connect physically instead of wirelessly and the app is in the device, so you only need to hook up a touchscreen or monitor and mouse. I certainly don't mind having to go to a place near the panel to check out the stats. If you do, then there are a few other smart home systems that use other, more secure wireless technologies to connect.
Realistically, what is a home owner going to do with the info they get? I work with these systems on switchboards...daisy-chained RS485 networks. It is very useful in an industrial setting. But, really now, how useful is it for a single residence? Sorta neat, sorta cool and sorta a waste of $$$. Sure you get data. What do you do with that data? Nothing.
People could use that data to make their home more efficient, But for $300 its not worth it. I think if these kinds of energy moniters were rented out to people for a month or so it might be a good deal, But to own one is just a waste of time and money.
I think that such device can be very helpful specially if you are trying to reduce a +$300/month electric bill, or if you want to optimize your solar investment
I have one and it tells me when my energy usage is really high - when I get that alert I go around and turn off lights and things that I am not using. Especially now that I have the heat on more often, I wasn't aware of how often I am just raking up energy expenditure. Those alerts are really helpful! Its also helpful if you rent out a property - it will tell you if items are being turned on and if you get that alert when no one is supposed to be at your property, you know there is an issue!
I have had a Sense monitor installed in my full time RV for several years and it has done a really poor job of detecting my electrical devices! Even after it detects a device, it often seems to not know when the device is on and just list the power being used as other. Also, the beep it does during bootup is so weak and such a high frequency that I can't hear it and the device has No visible LEDs to indicate status or even power! Another con is that it has no Ethernet port so you are forced to use Wi-Fi. Nice try Sense but in all the years I've had it, things have really not improved much if at all!
I was thinking the same thing about the lack of ethernet port. I really don't understand the Wi-Fi only direction digital gadgets have been moving to in recent years. Like it only costs 5-ish dollars for manufacturers to add a damn ethernet port.
Is there a way to contact you regarding the topics of our industry or if you want anymore ideas for your channel content to talk about it you are interested? Instagram or email used for your channel? If not, it's all good brother. Have a good one!
So this technology can somewhat guess what is running, And things like smart electrical meters have been on the rise. So it seems that electric companies are gonna start datamining people with this technology. Not fun.
What companies are not data-mining every human action and interaction on the planet my friend? Facebook, Google, TH-cam, your cable company, phone company, our data is everywhere at this point and there’s no reversing it. Hell our government is the largest collector of our data. I’m less worried about the power company watching me than the government lol.
@@ElectricianU But there are ways to mitigate other datapoints without a serious impact on your life (quit facebook, Use startpage instead of google, Use invidious instead of youtube, Only use HTTPS sites and use DNS-over-TLS to hide from your ISP, Don't use your cellphone unless necessary, etc) But to hide from your Electric company you'd have to either quit electricity (and risk your house being condemned) or switch to solar (which you'd have to be rich or be willing to accept going into crippling debt). I'm afraid of the direction of tracking and i'd like it better if people stopped accepting new data-miners into their home (but most people don't care). Another thing to consider is that when you have your little smart gadget connected to the internet you don't know where it's going to. But it is likely its ending up in china, And i don't think you want the CCP knowing about your electrical usage habits.
In my experience this device is utterly useless at detecting devices. The Vue2 that I replaced it with allows CTs on each circuit and is half the money.
I take care of my dad's rentals. It never fails that a tenant will hook up a power strip to a power strip and have all sorts of chargers and transformers for cable boxes, gaming stuff, etc. Every receptacle is a spider's nest. We started rewiring our units so there are two duplex receptacles per box and no more that 3 boxes per 2 pole 240 breaker. Yes, each box has 240 fed to it, but I swear, I have never had to go in the middle of the night to reset a breaker. And yes...every hole has a plug in it and some still have power strips.
Exactly what I was looking for . My electricien was explaining to me now I understand completely.
You could monetize that device by temporarily installing it into customers breaker panel and then provide a week or month long consumption report. Also add in a panel inspection while your at it.
That really is a good idea.
It was very helpful,
Quick question
So that connection was for your subpanel.
What about the main panel loads?
OK, so I've ordered one for my house, using the ElectricianU discount code. Thanks. It means I can do planning for the future. In the SF Bay area, several cities have banned gas installations in new build, for environmental reasons, and since I agree with the effort, I'll
be moving towards all-electric in my old house. But I need to knon what my usage is to know where to take this personally.
I'm just a homeowner, but also a marine engineer, so I'm learning a lot of technique, but I know the technical stuff.
I’m going to need a bigger box if I keep watching Dustin’s videos.
Already planning on SPD, now it looks like I need another 2 pole for this awesome device...
I have had a Sense installed in my panel for a little over 4 years. One of the most annoying things about the device detection is that it if the device has multiple types of power loads it will often show up as two devices. Such as a Dehumidifier that has a compressor and a blower. It does great on total power usage of our home. You do have to manage it to get various lights and devices learned. I would really like to see them offer little wifi power plugs that can monitor a load directly or even more clamps for branch circuits and not rely on their machine learning that can take forever or never occur.
Wemo plugs are supported and they report load and if the second CT port is open, you can directly monitor two more 120V circuits or one 240V circuit with a second CT adapter.
@@rpsmith do you work for this manufacturer lol
@@sams5803 - No. I'm a retired I.T. guy and I love playing around with all types of electronic gadgets :o)
I think Sense lets you link multiple loads to the same appliance in the app so that it reports them as one device.
You should check out the Eyedro system. You can put a CT or current sensor on each circuit. Way more accurate
I hard about it but now its cool to know its awesome is like monitoring your home current load . It's like a scanning thing. Its just awesome man and great video.
Not a electrician but your videos help me out a ton. Thanks for always giving great advice. Keep it going!
I appreciate that!
Can you put a brain in my apprentice?
sadly...no. I can't put one in my own, let alone yours.
Hahahah, this comment is the best.
Oh look, another arrogant electrician with a green apprentice who will probably surpass his skill level one day.
@@absolutecorey your assuming a hell of a lot . You don't know the electrician or the apprentice. For all you know the apprentice is not that bright or is super intelligent. Point is you don't know. So your statement of arrogance is one of ignorance. without any ego I can say my entire career I've trained maybe 2 guys that have the potential to surpass my abilities as an electrician. I'm constantly learning and seeking out new information. They have the potential because they are both smarter than myself so with the desire could learn and understand more and on a deeper level ,possibly . With that , I've fired or watched many many more walk away because they couldn't keep up with the demands of the trade.
@@absolutecorey you sound like an upset apprentice...
Great video, thanks for posting! Do you have recommendation for a 3ph energy monitor similar to this?
You should check the new panels Leviton are making for homes now. Smart breakers and real time usage in their app, been doing neighborhoods in Michigan with their new panels. Make the whole thing up at rough in too 🙌
I think you can also trip individual breakers from the app too, right?
@@drewwilhelm yes! Code wouldn’t allow people to turn them on from your phone though, which rightfully so imagine a homeowner just flipping breakers on and off all the time lol.
@@drewwilhelm
Like turn off the kids video games 😂
No one has posted a video of how to install this with solar (wiserempv), including this video. I'm amazed since this is the first time youtube has failed at not having a video on the topic
Does it work with an older box? I have older wire with 100 amp service breaker. Thanks, keep up with the good work.
This seems really dope. I will now start my journey down the rabbit hole on this. Lol
Will it monitor L1 and L2 separately to help balance your panel better?
This is the same thing the new “smart” meters are doing. The power company called us a few days after the install asking which appliances were running.
Hey this is kinda cool but a bit pricey... 300 for the basic vs 150 for the "Gen 2 Emporia Vue Smart Home Energy Monitor". Can you test this one too?
They are two very different devices. I have the Emporia Vue2. The sense is all about user experience and simplicity as it offers a great app and machine learning (because it's only measuring the main entry). With the Vue2 you connect individual sensors to multiples circuits (up to 8 or 16), so more work and cable management in the panel.
End the ends, it depends on what you wish to measure. Sense will detect individual appliances but may miss some others. Vue2 can't detect multiple appliances on the same circuit. For me the Vue2 was ideal as I want precise measurement of each baseboard heater.
Would you be able to double up on a already existing double pole breaker?
yes as long as the breaker is listed for double tapping
@@ElectricianU Square D breakers are UL listed for double tapping
I would prefer to get a quad breaker, double tapping is my very last option.
You can always use a short jumper and a wire nut.
Thanks for the video. I miss the old days where we only had smart asses...
Your panel gets sexier by the upgrade ⚡️🔥
you should make a video of how to connect different ways solar panels in a residential.
Nice video buddy. Please put a your future videos agenda videos about solar panels. Specially a solar panel with one dedicated outlet just to charge a electric car. That would be a nice video thank you.
That intro gets you the like this video deserves! 😂 love your videos!
MMMMMM Doughnuts! We call them current transformers in the Uk. Nice video as always!
I'm with you on the wire size. If it was
Me I would have installed inline fuses on that wire.
Great timing on this video. Been doing some research on this type of equipment to see how my solar setup is working. sense seems to be the first brand when doing any kind of search but reading reviews I see that a lot of people have issues with the app not being able to correctly ID the loads in your home. What other options are out there that I could look at? This discount is very appealing but I'd like to at least compare to other brands.
Thanks
So there are basically two types of monitoring systems: 1. branch monitoring: which you have to put CTs each each breaker. Usually more expensive to install, and also more expensive if you want to monitor everything. Sometimes you might run out of space too. Then 2. software disaggregation: which you only monitor the mains, keeping installation simple, but it does have limitations when it comes to identifying devices. There is currently not a perfect solution. But I think the Wiser / Sense is overall best
@@GerardFont thank you for that. I def don't want to go with option 1. Looks like I'll be going with Sense after all.
@@GerardFont - I would have to disagree with you about Sense being the best. Most of the loads that would amount to the majority of your electrical bill would be on their own breaker so having a CT on those loads would give you the most useful information. Sense will take months to guess at loads and even after months of "learning", still can't figure out most of my appliances. But if it works for you, that's Great! I personally would not buy it again if I had it to do all over.
@@rpsmith Fair opinion
well i got the sense solar setup. was excited to install it today. when i open the panel i realize i have a 400A panel and 2 leads going to each side. apparently the only way i can use this is to use all 4 clamps for the incoming power which would leave the solar out, solar was one of the reasons i wanted to do this in the first place. any ideas? i sent Sense an email but i dont see any way around this.
This is pretty cool. One thing I wonder about is data privacy though. Beyond just collecting data for advertising.. there is a hacking technique known as a side-channel attack. It basically is a broad term describing a method of breaching a target system by monitoring data on a "side-channel" such as monitoring RF output from a crt monitor or monitoring power usage of components (could be the computer itself, the monitor or even the keyboard). Whether or not such an attack would be feasible given the current draw over mains is debatable.. but I doubt it is completely impossible. It's a really cool hacking technique though imo.
Your smart meter is capable of doing everything this device does? I'd be more worried about that potential vector...
I have 2, 200 amp panels right next to each other feeding off the same meter. Both panels have 50amp solar system back feeding a breaker in each panel. So would I need 2 of these wiser units? One fir each panel or could it be done with one? Do the solar clamps come with the kit or are the optional?
I have a question partner, I just purchased a sense flex and I have a portable generator with a plug-in. I want to hook the solar donuts up to the generator. Sent says that it is design only for the auto transfer switch generator and they’re not sure if it would read correctly. I seen someone I don’t know if it was yours that run the generator wire beside the incoming branch circuit to feed the panel will that work or do you not advise that let me know like your channel Kris
I know this is an old video but is their anyway I can message you directly? Just had a few questions about this system and my issue I'm having. Thanks
Hey Dustin, enjoy all the content having a little trouble signing up on the website
That's odd, I just signed up with a test account and it worked like it should. Can you email me at dustin@electricianu.com and let me know what the issue is?
Thanks brother for the knowledge..you seem very excited about the monitor. Can't wait to actual play with one.
Can you make a video on how you can use the Fluke T5 in as many practical ways as possible? You know, for troubleshooting and in ways that newbies like me would never think to use.
Will this show harmonic distortion?
You should do a special on the new smart panels. The breakers are over 100$. It's the future of our trade whether we like it or not. I would definitely watch it and I'll even make my employees watch it.
Are you talking about the leviton smart circuits?
@@antoniog7367 the leviton smart load centers.
@@thomasschneider1858 I'm getting that installed now.
Can I install on a main AND a sub panel?
How does this device get around the NEC required separation barrier between low voltage and line voltage wiring inside a box?
a Wi-Fi antenna is the only external connection.
I would add, it doesn't need to be inside the load center. (I'd recommend it be in it's own box, or otherwise mounted outside the panel. Like every other commercial power monitor. His is outside, so he put it inside the otherwise weather resistant box.)
Does this only work with Square D panel or is it also compatible with GE?
Recommendations for a 2000 amp electric system
Will this work on 6awg wire?
i think the reason why it doesn't matter if you use a 15-amp (double pole) or a 30-amp (with the 16 wire) is because the breaker is only supplying power. such a small amount of power is used to power the device anyway. it's not protecting the device's wires...there's no such breaker that small. i think other people just double tap onto a 240-volt breaker (if designed for it), but i'm not sure if you are even allowed this. i'm not an electrician :D
I looked at the sense a couple of years ago, maybe about the time this video came out. I didn’t like the way it didn’t understand many electrical signatures and reviewers said they couldn’t update what devices were mistaken by sense. For the price of this it wasn’t worth it. I need to know what each circuit is consuming. If I know usage by circuit I can make some decisions on consumption of power.
Thank you this is great information. Keep it coming.
Have you been able to play with any of the other brands on the market like the ones from Sense Home Energy Monitor?
Hi Andre - Square D/Schneider is in partnership with Sense... so it's the same app. If you see the boxes/installation documents it's mentioned in several spots. Hope that answers your question. : )
I don't want to sound ignorant or stupid but I got a question can you hook one of these devices to a subpanel
I just recently got one of these but haven’t installed it yet. Seeing in the manual where it specifically says “compatible with Square D 15-30 A breakers” has me concerned, I assumed it was compatible with all types of breakers. Mine is the tan type of breakers so it’s either CH or or maybe Eaton brand. Either way I’m out of space for any more breakers so my original plan was I was going to have to do a pigtail. I was going to use 2 pieces of 10 gauge to connect to a 30 amp 2-pole breaker that is feeding my clothes dryer. Should this work?
Square D always made quality products along with great tech support. Wish they offered wider panels. Know the present 14.5" wide panels are made for 16" on center wall studs. Had to work in a 42 circuit panel that had 32 or 33 AFCI breakers. Pain in the ass to install a new circuit in no matter how neat the wires are ty rapped. Wish they would offer panels that were 20 or 22.5" wide. Nice vid.
Very cool! Look forward to seeing the results
Quick question so I’m an electrician and I’ve been doing residential for two years and I’ve always been taught to stay away from zip ties because it’s bundling the conductors but I always like to make my work look at awesome so I just have be conscious or OCD about stapling wires together thoughts on this would be appreciated
He was bundling the sensing wires not all the current carrying conductors. Bundle up branch conductors then you have to derate them.
Awesome Video.!!!
What if we don't have any available breaker slot?
When I pulled the protective cover off my high voltage inputs into the panel it does not use insulated wire. Instead it has what appears to be uninsulated aluminum straps/bars leading the main breaker. Can I still install the monitor clamps on the uninsulated aluminum straps/bars?
I'm always scared when my house is smarter than me it's like my phone I'm just a little bit more smarter LOL Keep On Keepin On
Bringing that OG 07' dramatic hamster reference in the intro
I like the Eyedro system better. It comes with multiple CT's. LOL what you call current sensors is actually called a current Transformer. Ten times more accurate when you have a CT on every breaker.
Would rather run a cat cable there, is there an option for a cat plugin directly?
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It would be sick if they could put CT on each out going hot wire to monitor power consumption individually on each circuit instead of guessing which is which. Because the app pretty much guesses what is turning on or off by getting current reading off of main and it’s hard to tell by that. It’s can pretty much tell you the same info your power company can give you.
It would be sick. Literally sick! Info overload. I work in industrial plants but residential? Really now. These things are getting to be a bit too much. So, yeah, you've got the info. Plan to do anything with it? I highly doubt it. I say use the brain cells for something a little more productive.
You can do that with up to two loads by repurposing the solar CTs
You're reading the actual "turn on" profile/curve - not just the increase in current draw, so every device should be uniquely identifiable. Even two identical light bulbs should have slightly different profiles due differences in the length of wire and other variables to the panel.
Hey big man can you do a video on electric vehicle charging stations ? As far as installs and how it works ? Thanks in advance
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@@deemen93 - Glad you liked it. That channel has lots of good content.
Very convenient
My panel is full; can I connect it to the existing 2 pole breaker for my dryer or stove?
Also, does one have access to the background data? I'd like to explicitly poll the data for my sump pump.
Hi Ron, I can answer that for you. If the breakers are Squared D, they are UL listed to be double tapped. You'd need at 2 pole breaker anywhere between 15 and 30 A. In fact, if you get the solar unit, it comes with 2 extra donuts, and you can use them to monitor specific loads with 100% accuracy. In your case, for the sump pump, and even one more load.
You can make some rearrangement on your breakers if your panel isn't that old.
You can buy couple of quad breakers and fit 4 circuits instead of two (on 2 space)
I would think if the breakers are rated to be double conductors you could. All those wires are for is the small amount of power the unit required and Voltage sensing.
Basically they are personal CTs.
Spool up the excess cable and wire-tie to mains and you've created your own CT. That is probably not a good idea if accuracy is desired.
Was there ever an update...if not I guess the energy monitor wasn't too smart.
I'm trying to have an open mind here... I have a 200A main with 3 sub panels, pool, theater, 2 hvac systems etc...so now what am I going to do differently after this is installed ?? I think the answer is nothing...
Well if it managed to detect and reliable monitor your pool pump, you might be shocked how much that is costing you!
Or if it reliably detects and monitors your HVAC system you might be surprised how much you’re using in the summer and you may either keep the house at a warmer temperature or consider upgrading the system to a more efficient one. Same thing with the pool pump you may consider having it run less or replacing it depending on the age
@@coolsnake1134 I get what you're saying but I already do all of that, and I watch my electric bill closely to keep it as low as possible 👍
I bet those skinny 16 gauge wires will act as fuseable links, regardless of the breaker ahead of it.
Sick outro.
also for EU 220v?
I would love to put something like that in my system, except the units don't support a PC version of the software. Kind of stupid to only support handhelp items.... what about a laptop PC??
Sense has a web app.
@@rpsmith You are right! You only need the app for the installation. But thereafter, you can log in from: home.sense.com
It's putting a hall sensor right?
I think Hall Effect Sensors are primarily used to measure D.C. whereas C.T.s only work on A.C. current.
@@rpsmith cool thank you
Manufacturer overrides code?
Also is this sponsored?
Are there any issues with installing this when I have a Generac backup generator?
Get the Solar model. It has two additional CTs that can be used to monitor your generator input.
@@rpsmith Thank you.
Lmao, the mini explanation of the refrigeration cycle at the end.
Use the "KISS" program. Keep It Sweet & Simple.
Your turning in to a commercial but its ok I guess since you giving awaY free knowledge.
Can you make a video about wire size please from the biggest to smallest? Love your videos!
Interesting.
Question for any electricians: I have two large panels on 200 amp service, one panel is connected to a generator with transfer switch, the other is only on street power. Should I install two of the sensors one on each panel, and is the generator a problem?
Is your main panel a 400A split into two 200A main breakers?
@@GerardFont no I believe that each panel gets a feed from the meter independently , then the main panel has a transfer switch to generator. I trust my electrician as the power company had to look at the meter and said they had never seen such high quality work.
The Sense unit has two additional current tap inputs that can be use to monitor any one of the following:
1. A second breaker panel
2. Two additional breakers circuits
3. Solar input
4. Generator input.
Is it just a sense with another name? Or did they add function that the normal sense doesn't have?
Have you heard of the new leviton load centers? They also have smart breakers that can be monitored through an app
in 4,34 min: 5t is not a good idea to zip in the conductors on the power supply cable becuz that could be creat a noise reading
Terminator reality is getting closer
I'm at a loss for why we need this?....... And what good could come of it?
I come from the computer industry, and I am terrified by all these "smart" devices. The basic ideas are fine, but the fact that they need you to install an app and are connected to the wifi is a problem. As we're starting to see in some other industries, the companies who make the app can actually take control or take away your control. And HACKERS, man! Slightly less problematic is the fact that wifi routers have a limit to the number of devices that can be connected to it at the same time, and it seems like some people are trying their absolute best to find and exceed that limit.
I really want to find something like this that has the screen connect physically instead of wirelessly and the app is in the device, so you only need to hook up a touchscreen or monitor and mouse. I certainly don't mind having to go to a place near the panel to check out the stats. If you do, then there are a few other smart home systems that use other, more secure wireless technologies to connect.
What if I not only do I not hear a beep, but it also starts shooting out sparks
You are a little late to the party! I Love my Sense... have had it installed for about a year
I've had mine about 4 years so that makes you rather late to the party as well!
RP Smith Had mine since the late 60s you guys are total newbs 4sure
I have sense monitoring device in my panel.
I didn't see how you connected the breaker
Smart refrigerators
CT's.... Current transformers.
Realistically, what is a home owner going to do with the info they get? I work with these systems on switchboards...daisy-chained RS485 networks. It is very useful in an industrial setting. But, really now, how useful is it for a single residence? Sorta neat, sorta cool and sorta a waste of $$$. Sure you get data. What do you do with that data? Nothing.
People could use that data to make their home more efficient, But for $300 its not worth it. I think if these kinds of energy moniters were rented out to people for a month or so it might be a good deal, But to own one is just a waste of time and money.
I think that such device can be very helpful specially if you are trying to reduce a +$300/month electric bill, or if you want to optimize your solar investment
@@GerardFont But you need that info only once. Not constantly.
@@nhzxboi sure
I have one and it tells me when my energy usage is really high - when I get that alert I go around and turn off lights and things that I am not using. Especially now that I have the heat on more often, I wasn't aware of how often I am just raking up energy expenditure. Those alerts are really helpful!
Its also helpful if you rent out a property - it will tell you if items are being turned on and if you get that alert when no one is supposed to be at your property, you know there is an issue!
I have had a Sense monitor installed in my full time RV for several years and it has done a really poor job of detecting my electrical devices! Even after it detects a device, it often seems to not know when the device is on and just list the power being used as other. Also, the beep it does during bootup is so weak and such a high frequency that I can't hear it and the device has No visible LEDs to indicate status or even power! Another con is that it has no Ethernet port so you are forced to use Wi-Fi. Nice try Sense but in all the years I've had it, things have really not improved much if at all!
I was thinking the same thing about the lack of ethernet port. I really don't understand the Wi-Fi only direction digital gadgets have been moving to in recent years. Like it only costs 5-ish dollars for manufacturers to add a damn ethernet port.
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always open to more ideas, email me at dustin@electricianu.com
i don't get why sense doesn't update their software to fix the fact that sense is so frickin inaccurate in sensing your electrical loads
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So this technology can somewhat guess what is running, And things like smart electrical meters have been on the rise. So it seems that electric companies are gonna start datamining people with this technology. Not fun.
What companies are not data-mining every human action and interaction on the planet my friend? Facebook, Google, TH-cam, your cable company, phone company, our data is everywhere at this point and there’s no reversing it. Hell our government is the largest collector of our data. I’m less worried about the power company watching me than the government lol.
@@ElectricianU But there are ways to mitigate other datapoints without a serious impact on your life (quit facebook, Use startpage instead of google, Use invidious instead of youtube, Only use HTTPS sites and use DNS-over-TLS to hide from your ISP, Don't use your cellphone unless necessary, etc) But to hide from your Electric company you'd have to either quit electricity (and risk your house being condemned) or switch to solar (which you'd have to be rich or be willing to accept going into crippling debt). I'm afraid of the direction of tracking and i'd like it better if people stopped accepting new data-miners into their home (but most people don't care). Another thing to consider is that when you have your little smart gadget connected to the internet you don't know where it's going to. But it is likely its ending up in china, And i don't think you want the CCP knowing about your electrical usage habits.
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In my experience this device is utterly useless at detecting devices. The Vue2 that I replaced it with allows CTs on each circuit and is half the money.