SHOCKINGLY BAD ELECTRICAL WORK BY THIS INSTALLER

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  • @artisanelectrics
    @artisanelectrics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @carterglover3539
    @carterglover3539 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    To resolve having 4 conductors in the MCB where you have doubled up the ring you could have connected one leg of ring 1 to one leg of ring 2 with wagos and then you've got one bigger ring 👍

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Lovely idea!

    • @TeamSimpsonRacing
      @TeamSimpsonRacing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      True but you may make the circuit to long and then not comply with volt drop 👍

    • @carterglover3539
      @carterglover3539 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@TeamSimpsonRacing Rings can cover 100m2 area and those circuits combined only total the upstairs floor of the house

    • @TeamSimpsonRacing
      @TeamSimpsonRacing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@carterglover3539 you would think so. Makes you wonder why they did two rings for upstairs 🤔

    • @carterglover3539
      @carterglover3539 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TeamSimpsonRacingGood point, maybe an old extention?

  • @mathman0101
    @mathman0101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Some points for future.
    When using earth leakage meter beware you may not be able to read a value if clamping around the CPC as there are possible other multiple pathways to earth - the gas and water bond, you would have to remove them to see it. Looking at the imbalance on LN was the best approach.
    On RCD tripping you have to remember the cooker/oven has probably a capacitor built into the electronics which with the long run you had could be causing the tripping. If it was a type AC I would replace with a type A.
    For EV charging when you have to TT my advice is to carry a soil test kit. This has several benefits in that you put the right type of earth rod in. With soil ph around 8 or more you can get corrosion of a pure copper rod reducing the protection over time in using the charger. Two ways around this either get a copper rod which is anodized with a noncorrosive metal on the surface or get a larger steel rod. I would also surround the copper rod. In concrete as well providing more reliable earthing and reducing the possibility the earth rod resistance would go up in summer. Anyway nice work as always.

    • @sstorholm
      @sstorholm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was about to say the same thing, earth leakage can be any path to earth and back to the star point on the transformer.

  • @mgabrielle2343
    @mgabrielle2343 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You got me going there with your Earth leakage tester, I think I know why when you measured leakage on the pair of meter tails, it registered 11 odd mA leakage, and yet when you measured on that earth wire it measured zero mA, so what that means is the earth leakage current is not going through that yellow green conductor, but is getting earthed somewhere else , directly into ground either through pipe work etc, so that should stop you scratching your head.
    And of course, you need to enclose both live and neutral in the tester jaws, and any common mode load currents would cancel each other giving you any differential mode current read out, so even if you had a load of 5 amps you would be seeing 5.011A in the live conductor and returning exactly 5.000 amps, whereby 0.011A going into the ground through another earth point and not that yellow green earth conductor.

  • @farmersteve129
    @farmersteve129 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Fundamental mistake there in trusting a supplier... with such a critical part I avoid booking in a job until I have the part in my grubby little hands because if a supplier or courier can mess up there's a high likelihood that it will happen!

    • @robertbritton656
      @robertbritton656 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@r.h.8754 Service engineer as well and that happens far too often.

    • @jean-pierredeclemy7032
      @jean-pierredeclemy7032 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And once it is booked don't bother trying to divert it because it ain't going to happen.

  • @ChrisShucksmith
    @ChrisShucksmith 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    If your 11mA of leakage isn’t returning via the consumer unit earth block, check the bonds and also clamp the water and gas pipes before and after the bonds, as it might be going out via services. You might have a screw somewhere through a live leaking it to the fabric of the building. Clamp the circuits and see if you can track it down.

  • @marrowsandoug
    @marrowsandoug 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Been let down so many times by deliveries I now only book work when I have the ordered parts in my pocession!

    • @alistair1978utube
      @alistair1978utube 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      funeral procession? or another kind?

    • @CurvedSlightly
      @CurvedSlightly 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@alistair1978utube *Possession, illiterate tradie.

  • @heatpump8566
    @heatpump8566 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    My pal says most sparkys are frustrated plumbers. Great video again, really enjoyed

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      LOL

    • @BenCos2018
      @BenCos2018 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      lmao

    • @terrymeade1930
      @terrymeade1930 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Plumbers are failed electrician's. Just saying haha.

    • @roceloi
      @roceloi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Im a sparky and I hate plumbing...

  • @123tinhat123
    @123tinhat123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I use a dentists mirror on the busbar when connecting up, very handy👍

  • @stevenbrooks8323
    @stevenbrooks8323 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Could you not have joined one leg of each ring to make one big ring, if the earth loop wasn't to high.

    • @Graza25
      @Graza25 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thats what i was thinking. I would have probably done that. I suppose there's not much difference.

  • @phoenixlogic6927
    @phoenixlogic6927 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Videos like this are really helpful for trainee electricians :)

  • @MrGruster
    @MrGruster 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Might have been worth linking out the two ring final circuits to form one ring, to avoid putting four cables away in one terminal. Always enjoy your videos! Hope the job ended well 👍

  • @Accomplice23
    @Accomplice23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Don't be afraid to name and shame, it's good for consumers. Wel Electrical Services (London).

    • @Fishbait075
      @Fishbait075 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      WEL.... That escalated quickly.

    • @thesocialhandgrenade8474
      @thesocialhandgrenade8474 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      not a good place to go for him being a business, indemnity insurance might cover a subsequent deformation court case but not worth it. it is only one opinion versus another

    • @TheChipmunk2008
      @TheChipmunk2008 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thesocialhandgrenade8474 yes that exactly. It's not a good idea to be poking the bear. if there's a real problem, i'd contact their CPS (have done it before)

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Customer has reported them

  • @grahammchardy5531
    @grahammchardy5531 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Do love the dentist mirror for checking. A great idea. A phone can sometimes be too big to get in there properly.

    • @delcat8168
      @delcat8168 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oddly, his dentist uses a continuity tester to check his fillings ;-)

  • @briansunderland8992
    @briansunderland8992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When I lived in the UK in Luton worked as a washing machine tech 1966 to 1970 went out to Cambridge , Stevenage , North London all villages around Luton and Bedford even at times Canvey Island most I could do any day was 4-5 jobs 70 thousand miles a year 8- 12 hours Monday to Friday over half the time in traffic lasted before I had a minor heart attack so Jordan I know about stress and frustration with parts not delivered

  • @TheShinnion
    @TheShinnion 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    That’s the first time I’ve seen a pvc gland installed upside down 😂😂😂

    • @paulprescott7913
      @paulprescott7913 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeh how on earth can you get that wrong.

    • @dennisreid4428
      @dennisreid4428 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I spotted that and wondered "WTF" and why do it like that?

  • @robswingler
    @robswingler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Earth leakage clamp is always best to put round the tails for an accurate reading as the main earth will probably have abit of diverted neutral current going through it . That’s why it was overloading on the mil amp range.

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks

    • @Moletrouser
      @Moletrouser 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is that (unmeasured, but apparently more 20mA) earth current inductively coupled then? It would seem to be much larger than the live-to-neutral imbalance.

  • @dextergodfrey7086
    @dextergodfrey7086 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Instead of adding two rings into the CB - could you of linked the rings in the board? Making one ring? Obviously considering the total length. Love the videos ;)

  • @garethg2501
    @garethg2501 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Regarding the ring circuit, instead of connecting all 4 legs into the breaker, could you just Wago one leg of each ring together to form one big ring?
    Also do you have any tips for sizing (visually) meter tails? I struggle so much with this.
    P.S. You can actually get VDE "Dentist mirrors" lol

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah that could have worked

    • @jamesfoxley6038
      @jamesfoxley6038 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @GarethG, I hear ya man I have same issue! Everyone else seems to have better eyes 🤣, and know instantly haha

  • @ealingwest5750
    @ealingwest5750 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Oh dear I can read the details on the WEL Electrical Services sticker at 2:39

    • @UberAlphaSirus
      @UberAlphaSirus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I googled the number, same, French yahoo email too.

  • @m.bmaintenance7834
    @m.bmaintenance7834 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    unfortunately work like that seems to becomng the norm, and until someone gets a grip on the industry it wont change

    • @julieannecharters6132
      @julieannecharters6132 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yep fast track courses and no on job experience its only going to get worse.that work is piss poor

  • @Cjrelectrical
    @Cjrelectrical 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Shocking work does not shock me it’s an everyday occurrence. 👍

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I know right! 😂

    • @seandunne2673
      @seandunne2673 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Shocking 😂 bad pun.... (probably not intentional though 😂)

    • @lonewolfgeoff
      @lonewolfgeoff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      bbzzzzzttt ⚡️⚡️

    • @JamesSherlouk
      @JamesSherlouk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@artisanelectrics Seriously, what's the best way to find an electrician who's going to do a good job?
      bout to get my place rewired in Derby but these horror videos scare the life out of me 😅

    • @tanhem5639
      @tanhem5639 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JamesSherlouk from learnt experience, get a feel and look at their current work. These TH-cam videos were what sold Artisan to me!

  • @evguysltdianlawrie2274
    @evguysltdianlawrie2274 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The BG garage consumer unit IP65 is the best product they make. The remainder of the consumer unit range is bloody awful! Any attempt to do RCBO’s causes the din rail mountings to fracture 😡 Contactum on the other hand, I do like. I’m glad you said the DNO were going to upgrade the old cable head. I’ve an ace relationship with SP Energy Networks sub contractors IQA. 70% of all EV Chargepoint I fit need the cable head upgraded. Also, came across a new build recently with a series 7 head. Thought it would have an 80Amp fuse, which is standard....Nope! 60Amp! Thankfully, I carry 80Amp Lawson’s in the van.

  • @davidjrb
    @davidjrb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This has been a real joy for me to watch. Definitely liking and subscribing. I love the humility and honesty of your commentary. (Electrician in Iceland)

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks David! Welcome to the channel!

    • @heliharris69
      @heliharris69 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You make interesting video's... Shame your prices are so high for installing EV chargers.

  • @HenryLoenwind
    @HenryLoenwind 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    No spares? I see 2 spares---if you replace the all breakers with rcbos. ;)

    • @glossamano1899
      @glossamano1899 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And extra time involved to segregate the neutrals from the neutral bar.

  • @mfx1
    @mfx1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You may not have measured anything on the earth cable as that might not be the route the leakage was taking. A conductor leaking due to damp may not show anything on the main earth cable.

  • @labelectrical
    @labelectrical 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great vid, love your testing and fault finding content. You need to to be sending an invoice to Anderson's Electrical for your lost time due to their incompetence. Glad you called them out though, might make them up their game 👍

  • @grahamwise5719
    @grahamwise5719 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The metal box is original to the house, the consumer box is where the main switch and fuses were. This would have been the rubber cables usually in the wall cavity dating from the 1950s.

  • @steve83803
    @steve83803 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Metering cupboards are just that...for metering equipment, cut out, meter and DPI when fitted. Now getting more and more crammed with PV isolator and associated wiring but never (yet) found a CU in one! Surprised how the DNO fitted a 100A fuse in an 80A at best cut out.

    • @steve83803
      @steve83803 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Consumer unit within 150mm of a live gas supply.......oooops!

  • @sosurko
    @sosurko 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The dentist mirror you can get plastic ones. I use a plastic one its really handy

  • @MalcolmCrabbe
    @MalcolmCrabbe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I watch quite a few channels like this, and there seems a trend where when poor workmanship is found that doesn't meet code those who discover it don't want to name and shame or report them to the authorities that govern the installation standards. Maybe if there was some form of reporting, and some for of registration like in the gas industry there would be less cowboys around and installations would be a lot safer as anyone cutting corners would be "struck off" or have to pass some form of exam

  • @Sibbe2560
    @Sibbe2560 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a foreigner I have worked on quite a number of electrical installations in the UK. Most of them looked exactly like this one, so it doesn’t surprise me.

  • @Blackf1ngers
    @Blackf1ngers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Regarding the mess in the top of the Mantel box, we often use a piece of paxolin and a couple of little angle brackets to fix it.

    • @TheChipmunk2008
      @TheChipmunk2008 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, that's what I've done in our place

  • @Golommod
    @Golommod 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how you big things up what are wrong but it is actually easy fix

  • @johndevine6288
    @johndevine6288 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, keep them coming. Like your way of presenting bad situations and remedial work you have to perform (if you can) to rectify the problems.

  • @johnclapshoe8059
    @johnclapshoe8059 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another issue having this armoured cable wired directly from the mains means there is no discrimination from the other circuits. In other words, you can't isolate it, even if the mains switch is open/off.
    I really don't like installing load centres (consumers units) under kitchen bench tops, as main switches are meant to be readily available. (Australian prospective)

  • @westinthewest
    @westinthewest 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Those red and black tails rising into the consumer unit might turn out to be compliant. I've seen similar ones where there are two layers of PVC, with the sheath using the same colour as the insulation. It can be tricky to be sure without stripping a small section and seeing if it comes off in separate layers. I wonder if the cable can be confirmed as sheathed if it has the usual markings on it like BS6004 6181Y?

  • @Geeraffe
    @Geeraffe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    nice work as always - fyi electricians insulated dentist mirrors are available - Boddingtons UK

  • @ashmanelectricalservices4318
    @ashmanelectricalservices4318 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's not an outdoor meter cupboard Jordan, it's a mantel unit and cupboad, very common in flats and tower blocks in London.

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks, you can tell i'm not from London!

    • @ashmanelectricalservices4318
      @ashmanelectricalservices4318 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@artisanelectrics The previous installer should have just fitted another mantel unit, they're not that hard to come by. The whole stuffing glands on top of the consumer unit is complete gabage. On a side note, I probably would have waited till the EV charger to have been delivered before travelling all the way down to London, did you estimate for 2 days labour?

  • @dirkus3722
    @dirkus3722 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hello from US (please send help). Thanks for the video; always cool to see interesting differences between US and UK.

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      👍😁

    • @TBFSJjunior
      @TBFSJjunior 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same from me here in Germany.
      Even though UK wiring is similar, we have 3 phase most of the time over here.

  • @Vintagesoundz14
    @Vintagesoundz14 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why didnt you connect one of the lives from the downstairs ring with one of the upstairs, same for neutral and earth then you would have one big house ring. solves the problem of having 4 cables in a breaker.

  • @somewaresim
    @somewaresim 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just wondering why the charger wasn’t obtained before installation date? Relying on on-the-day deliveries seems a bit risky.

  • @markhoulding1938
    @markhoulding1938 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good vid Like your positive attitude am sure your customer will be grateful 👍

  • @Thegardener87
    @Thegardener87 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I really like your videos but the motion sickness is real!

  • @sambothebold
    @sambothebold 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The DNO fuse was still in right? But you had the main tails isolated via that low level isolation switch?. But there was no lock off on the switch as far as i could see. Ive had main switches that switch almost with the touch of a feather. I was getting twitchy bum hole syndrome when i saw you working on the tails 💩
    I also love the mirror for breaker/bus bar inspection. Absolutely great tip Jordan. You are a real inspiration and a bit above the rest when it comes to sharing your business on social media. Well done, hope i can be as good as you one day

  • @PurityVendetta
    @PurityVendetta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That was an interesting thing I didn't know when you mentioned USB sockets creating a relatively high earth leakage current. Personally I hate the things as I think most of them are cheap and nasty chinesium curtain burners but it's a useful bit of knowledge to have.

    • @KX36
      @KX36 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      any modern device will have some earth leakage. Switching power supplies in modern devices have a class Y capacitor across the transformer to suppress EMI. The secondary side is earthed (class I) or double insulated (class II). The primary is live and neutral rectified. capacitor from live/neutral to earth creates earth leakage.
      Personally I don't like USB sockets because they're like having the cheapest £5 charger permanently plugged in. They won't have modern fast charging features, so they'll be obsolete almost immediately, they probably don't have great isolation from primary to secondary, and they're probably very noisy and wasteful with their standby power.

  • @ItzD3fW1sH
    @ItzD3fW1sH 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm on a looped supply and we managed to get 80amp fuse put in but that's the max (UKPN said as next door had 60 we were clear for the 80). Good news is the main supply comes into our house so any future work will be on her side and drive. Still think that's going to be a big big problem for the power networks in the coming years.

    • @HenryLoenwind
      @HenryLoenwind 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It will only be a problem if people continue to upgrade to 100A "just because". A charger that's limited to e.g. 10A still can charge 12km/h or 120km overnight (10h). For most people who can park in their driveway every night that's more than enough. (Meaning they can charge to the full range of their car on normal days and only run into issues if they need the full range on two consecutive days.)
      Yes, a nice 32A charger will give you 380+ km/night each and every night, but how many people (aside from taxis and other business vehicles) actually need that?
      Many people seem to think they need to be able to charge their 600+km battery from completely empty to full in half a night at home. And if they drive 150,000km a year (600km*5days*52weeks) that's even true. But otherwise it's just not needed.

    • @nntpdump
      @nntpdump 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HenryLoenwind overnight cheap rates from special "EV tariff" would suggest wanting the faster charge rates as possible

  • @luisbranco9260
    @luisbranco9260 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The box is original, not an outside box. It was fitted to council houses, I managed to get a consumer unit that was made for those boxes no longer made!!

  • @zxyqwerty123
    @zxyqwerty123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I really hate these premiers, you click to watch and then realise there’s no content. Pointless and frustrating for subscribers especially as we’re always being asked the subscribe and turn on notifications.

    • @zxyqwerty123
      @zxyqwerty123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That’s not a pop at you either Jordan it’s just TH-cam is infesting my subscriber playlist with these rather than actual content and it’s a disease they need to nip in the bud. I don’t know anyone who actually thinks it’s a good idea

    • @HenryLoenwind
      @HenryLoenwind 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Ellis The DJ No, it's not a live stream, it's a video he uploaded yesterday and then he told us "hey, I just uploaded a new video, but you won't be able to watch it for another day"
      And here's why he did that:
      (Rest of comment will be added at some point in the future. Make sure to check back regularly so you don't miss it before it delete it again.)

  • @evzenhedvabny6259
    @evzenhedvabny6259 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The weird leakage might be via gas or water pipe. On one of my jobs i found 2Amps running in a water pipe . Even when main circuit breaker was off.

  • @blow0me
    @blow0me 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You know you do not double up ring circuits like that. If stuck, pair the relevant ends to make a single larger ring. But old houses and installs in cramped environments are always going to be trouble

  • @Mattja1
    @Mattja1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It doesn't work around the earth because the leaked current is escaping the property by another path. By putting it over the tails and not the earth you measure what the RCD is actually seeing, which is the total leakage from the property not just what comes back down the circuit cpcs.

  • @ursamajor6546
    @ursamajor6546 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Aside from the rising inflection at the end of every sentence - a good video!

  • @keithquestedelectrical9785
    @keithquestedelectrical9785 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Boddington do a really good insulated mirror
    Good video Jordan

  • @ishkebab
    @ishkebab 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    For the ring, why not connect one original leg to the other ring leg and vise versa so you only have two cables entering the mcb, but the 2 rings have been extended to 1?

    • @elsdonsparks
      @elsdonsparks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the length of the making it one ring may have been to long for the max Zs ?

    • @ishkebab
      @ishkebab 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@elsdonsparks it’s on an rcd so Zs will not be an issue, not great relying on the rcd for fault protection but there you go.

    • @AndyK.1
      @AndyK.1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No advantage

  • @SurreyAlan
    @SurreyAlan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Once EVs become the norm electricians fitting charging points are going to be finding all sorts of horrors that will make this existing installation look good, rewires all round I suspect, bonanza time for electricians.

    • @ef7480
      @ef7480 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      EvVs will never be the norm as there will be thousands of people who cannot afford to buy them or run them. They do not prevent polution as they just leave the polution in another country where the minerals for the batteries are mined. Watch this space lol.....

  • @JOSHIMEOW
    @JOSHIMEOW 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I would of doubled up on the lighting circuit mate

    • @TheChipmunk2008
      @TheChipmunk2008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Problem with that is that you lose the whole house with one trip

  • @johnfenlon458
    @johnfenlon458 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Job!! Good idea to use a circle mirror to see inspection. I am concerned about 100A of the main black box where brown 16ml wire. I noticed Brown 16ml wire on top touched on Natural (yellow) wire. I think you should take out the Natural (yellow) wire from brown 16ml wire then move above near the Main black box. Can you try this? Need a good safety. Thumb up!! Cheer!

  • @carlvinjosephs4774
    @carlvinjosephs4774 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s time there is some sort of way to report and get electricians plumbers and other registered tradesmen and women to be accountable for bad bodge jobs. There is no accountability and compensation for homeowners. It’s terrible for what is quite an expensive and safety focused profession

  • @irqanonimous3278
    @irqanonimous3278 ปีที่แล้ว

    In Holland we have to use a splitter on the rcb when we have more then 1 incoming cable

  • @jonathanstephens7804
    @jonathanstephens7804 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice work mate not too sure about the 2 rings off one mcb I would of preferred to of replaced the devices with contactum rcbos which would of left 2 spare ways to use. Obviously a cost but a much better install along side the shiny new charger :)

  • @trevorpreston6351
    @trevorpreston6351 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi again
    Just a thought why didn't you change all mcbs to rcbo plenty of space and contactum are cheaper than most and it could be left as is that would of been my suggestion
    Thanks

  • @paulsutton5896
    @paulsutton5896 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The modern consumer unit is a thing of beauty.

  • @0xdeadc0de
    @0xdeadc0de 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I believe the installed MCBs with 32 A are too big for this cables because the I think they are only 2.5mm2 or? (focus on the MCB with up to four cables). In my country we use MCBs up to B16 for 1.5mm2, B20 for 2.5mm2 and B32 for 6mm2 (depending on the total length of the circuit a MCB can be smaller). In my opion a MCB is to protect a cable. 32 A (~7400W on 230V) are too much for this small cable.

  • @damienstewart4736
    @damienstewart4736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That is a mantel cupboard, these are used in a lot of council properties or on conduit systems👍

  • @eric4709
    @eric4709 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 27.25 - Ref measuring eth leakage current in main earth conductor - but NOT seeing any ?
    ( although the instrument appeared to show "OL" ie overload - it did show a current dying away to a small value when you manually switched ranges - so -was there in fact any current there? - - a bit vague here since you didnt stop "long enough" on this part to reach a steady reading)
    And - you said "you were not sure why this was so" when you had actually established there was indeed leakage current - so why is this ?
    Just prior to 27.25 you measured earth leakage current by clamping the test meter around BOTH line and neutral tails - which showed just over 11mA of earth leakage.
    This test device essentially works as a "current transformer " in the clamp probe which is "seeing" the "residual" magnetic field of the two line and neutral conductors
    This is because the magnetic fields surrounding the two conductors (tails) are in opposite phase since the current in the conductors are flowing in opposite directions - and hence the magnetic field will cancel ONLY IF the currents are EXACTLY equal - AND in PRECISE OPPOSITE PHASE
    ( point worth noting if some of that leakage current is "capacitive" (or inductive) in a final circuit)
    Because in this case these currents are NOT equal ( or also not in precise antiphase) - there is thus a small residual magnetic field that the probe "sees".
    NOW the IMPORTANT point here is the probe does NOT "know" whether that field it is "seeing" is from ONE conductor - OR - the sum of many - or - other words - the probe MUST and WILL work just the same on a single conductor carrying a current that produces the "same" magnitude of field
    So ...
    The Main earth - why no current ?? - we have established that the measuring device WILL measure current on a single conductor - thus-
    Since therefore - you saw NO current in the Main earth conductor - it MUST THEREFORE mean that the leakage current of 11mA or so MUST be going elsewhere - and - the only way you could "track" this down is to repeat the "two wire" clamp test for EACH final circuit -and see which one(s) are contributing to the 11mA. My guess is you will find that the current is going via circuits that have "other" external paths to ground of low impedance - so the main earth lead carries little of this leakage current "AT THE POINT" where "you measured" it.
    Having said all that - I'd like to know how accurate this TIS 560 is - when measuring very small currents of a few mA - This could be a good equipment "test " video for you to do !

  • @petertallowin6406
    @petertallowin6406 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yep, lower left 4 looks a little loose..... Awesome tip on that mirror. Lovely job Jordan. You have probably mentioned this before but where did you get the cable stripper? Is there a link to it on your tools page?

  • @leonblittle226
    @leonblittle226 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    "I'm working in London today"......... get this man a doctor he isn't well.

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      😂

    • @AndyK.1
      @AndyK.1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Customers must love his work !! ££££

    • @lonewolfgeoff
      @lonewolfgeoff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      so thats london, cambridge?! 😂😂😂

    • @paulryan3283
      @paulryan3283 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What: he is in London and couldn’t go pick up the charger from the supplier and complained throughout the whole video about his day . If you spent less time bullshitting and more time working, and actually did a full days work, it would be better viewing for subscribers.. donut

  • @nevilleglen1422
    @nevilleglen1422 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It isn't picking up the leakage on the earth wire because the leakage to earth is elsewhere, not back via the main earth wire, yes there's an imbalance on the live conductors but the leakage to earth will be some place else, hope this helps mate.

  • @Cablesmith
    @Cablesmith 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Old trusty BG 😩

  • @jayc1140
    @jayc1140 ปีที่แล้ว

    Funny watching this after hearing Andersen have gone out of business in his latest video lol

  • @effervescence5664
    @effervescence5664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The sad thing is there was no reason to gland the top of that consumer unit given it's already in an enclosure which you need a "tool" to get into. . Also why didn't you crimp one ring to the other ring then use the 2 remaining legs into the breaker. Edit: instead of using a dentist mirror you could just mount the bus bar into all the breakers outside the unit then clip them all in together and re-terminate the circuit conductors.

  • @pineappleroad
    @pineappleroad 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    for some reason, I can't stop thinking about the light switch cable at our house that has a soldered connection (literally) in the wall, where it is impossible to get to without tearing the wall open, and so the two light switches only have a single 3 core and earth cable going to them (the reason for this bodge was that the light switch needed to be moved from one side of the door to the other, as the door was being re-hinged)

  • @delcat8168
    @delcat8168 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That look like the same original wall box as in our 1960s property... don't think it was ever an outside meter box. Maybe it wasn't "rewired" maybe it was just a new consumer unit put in? That would account for the scruffy wiring.

  • @CrazySparkie63
    @CrazySparkie63 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are the only person (that I know of) apart from me that calls it Londinium lol!

  • @MSGaddicts
    @MSGaddicts ปีที่แล้ว

    Random question... Why was amoured cable used since most of the install was inside of the property. Would standard 10mm be ok?

  • @Liveyourlifewithafatcigar
    @Liveyourlifewithafatcigar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jordan can you tell what cable cutter device you used in the consumer unit when you were fitting the tails.
    I fit smart meters & i am always looking for something better than cable cutters.
    Thanks

  • @MyProjectBoxChannel
    @MyProjectBoxChannel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You would think in this modern day times the rising clamp terminal that can so easy miss the bus bar , can be significantly improved on. Look how far terminals have come. For example the wago spring loaded terminal design. I often wondered how many fires have started because of a busbar not connecting properly onto a MCB. In my opinion this is a very bad design, we shouldn't have to use a dentist mirror to check the connection. We live in this technically advanced age. Electronics has moved on leaps and bounds. Electrical installation techniques seem very old fashioned.

  • @Fozzie68
    @Fozzie68 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know who rewired the house as it was obvious from your first observation on the fuse board .
    More care needs to be taken, when disrespecting other sparks even if it is a SHODDY JOB !!

  • @trevorpreston6351
    @trevorpreston6351 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Jordan
    I used to work in London most days and what you can see would be classed as good not by me though I used to see this type of work is normal I used to belong to the niceic but retired 2 years ago I always use to moan to the nic this is terrible work carried out by niceic contractors why are they never removed from the role but it always fell on deaf ears I gave up in the end as I think they thought I was a miserable old bigger
    Still keep your good work up I always watch your reviews
    P S the closer you get to the centre of London the worse it gets as everyone there is a sparky
    Thanks
    Trevor

  • @Bin216
    @Bin216 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You could argue that the armoured cable from the Henley block to the BG CU were effectively meter tails...

    • @elsdonsparks
      @elsdonsparks 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      But not double insulated.

    • @westinthewest
      @westinthewest 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@elsdonsparks Double insulation does not apply to cables. It's an appliance class defined in IEC 61140. The armoured cable/meter tails should be "insulated and sheathed", which might turn out to be the case here. The three cores of the cable are insulated in XLPE, then the grey stuff is a PVC 'bedding'. Would that be ok as a sheath?

    • @simonabbott7323
      @simonabbott7323 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Longer than 2 or 3m (depending on who the DNO is) and the cable would need fusing down.

    • @geoffball5803
      @geoffball5803 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Undersized "meter tails" when the 100A fuse went in, but that's ok because they were put in when it only had a 63A fuse (eyes rolling)

  • @mikekirwin3720
    @mikekirwin3720 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dont you just hate messing with bodge work that someone else has done, really grinds my gears. Sometimes you just have to grit your teeth and soldier on.

  • @christopherjones9570
    @christopherjones9570 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Jordan, love following your channel I have a question for you, why don't you like BG? I've fitted loads of BG boards and never had an issue my wholesaler stocks BG and Fusebox, twice I've used fusebox both times I've broken the lid clips, I've also noticed I have to cut the conductors quite short to fit them into the main switch and rcbo's, however I really like the blank mcb's they supply, keep doing the videos they're very entertaining and make me feel justified in taking pride in my work, there are lots of dodgy sparks in swansea.

  • @julianweijler2109
    @julianweijler2109 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can't test the leakage around the earth only!
    Must always do a imbalance test, because leakage can happen at other places in the circuit ( eg in ground, wet surface, floors, etc etc)
    So imbalance will cover your total leaks always!
    Keep up the good work! Cheers

    • @sdgelectronics
      @sdgelectronics ปีที่แล้ว

      The reading around the earth is still a valid reading, it just means something different. His meter showed O.L. which means overload on the 2 and 20 mA ranges, so it would appear there is some additional current in the earth probably originating from bonding conductors.

  • @ianbooth5374
    @ianbooth5374 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been using these soft tails for a while now. They are so much easier to work with. It's best to untwist them a bit before going into the main switch. Does anybody else not have much faith in those small allen key terminals used for the 100a dp switch. I have tried to get a torque version. I use a Boddingtons T bar at the moment.

  • @johnadams1976
    @johnadams1976 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd definitely have chosen to have a new hole and carefully fill the old one... Hopefully with some sanding of a brick somewhere, some like coloured dust could be used to patch

  • @mwkoskamp1
    @mwkoskamp1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why would you expect the meter to work around the earth cable? I understood that you have a leak if current is leaking to earth anywhere from the circuit. So e.g. in the garden where it directly leaks into the wet ground. It wont take the long way round trough the earth cable right? A leak is detected because not all current leaving the RCD actually returns on neutral.

    • @GodmanchesterGoblin
      @GodmanchesterGoblin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly what I thought when watching this last night. And I'm not a sparky...

  • @neilwilliams6484
    @neilwilliams6484 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    As an old school apprentice trained electrician myself this makes me weep modern day training has a lot to answer to and as somebody that is not part P I would not legally allowed. to do this type of work even though I can do a better job with my eyes closed

  • @Swa33er
    @Swa33er 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Didn't untwist the meter tails cores to avoid the immediate settling of the cables causing a loose connection very soon after tightening them to the required torque setting.

  • @TheChipmunk2008
    @TheChipmunk2008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Jordan, Knipex do a nice 3mm hex screwdriver, 1000v VDE , for those isolators (and henley blocks). so much easier (and arguably safer) than using the multi sets
    Edit,. also CK do an insulated version of that mirror. (I think it's CK)

  • @Robvdh87
    @Robvdh87 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That out of tune pianomusic makes me cringe every time. But I do like the rest of the video ;-)

    • @thepowerisinyou2886
      @thepowerisinyou2886 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ye its painful and needs to disappear. No offence to the uploader as his content is excellent.

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thepowerisinyou2886 thanks I will tell my editor to axe that music

  • @the_real_hislordship
    @the_real_hislordship 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:35 is enough to see the phone number on the label.
    Google tells me the company 😁

  • @philipwardle6820
    @philipwardle6820 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting Jordan, thank you. In this case it look like the customer misled you, to some degree, as to their rediness for you to do the installation - of course this may not have been deliberate, thay may have been misled by others. How you fo deal with this situation, for example do you try to negotiate an additional fee for you time in sorting the issues, or do you stand by you original quote and just accept that "some you win, some you lose". I'm thinking that, over time, if wins and losses cancel out maybe you've concluded that you have your estimating strategy about right?

  • @electricery
    @electricery 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use a dentist mirror as well I covered the handle in heat shrink to give me a bit of protection

  • @robinfisher4376
    @robinfisher4376 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Who ever installed that consumer unit just does not know what they are doing, simple!!

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree

    • @norfolkmustard
      @norfolkmustard 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@artisanelectrics They were French (email address @yahoo.fr and the way they wrote their 1s in the date) - perhaps not fully up to speed with UK regs

    • @robinfisher4376
      @robinfisher4376 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@norfolkmustard yeh to say the least. 😂

  • @ealingwest5750
    @ealingwest5750 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always find it amusing where 16mm tails worked for years and are now deemed too small even though they are the equivalent cross section of the old 2 core 7/.064 SWA Edwardian and post war domestic grid supply.

  • @keepthemhonest2
    @keepthemhonest2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's not an old outside meter box. It's an old style indoor meter box. It most likely had an integrated fuse board when first pin in and when there was a CU change they ripped it out (it would have been at the top)

  • @ashokpatel2700
    @ashokpatel2700 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Thank you.
    Andersen should really offer you some compensation. Why should it cost yo u money and your client the inconvience!
    I have seen your other videos on Zappy. What's your recommendation? Are you able to compare/contrast these EV chargers if you have not done so before please.

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks yeah I think a comparison video would be a good idea

  • @derekstrang7160
    @derekstrang7160 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found this interesting insights into sparkies. I note the criticism of previous work yet installing against best practise yourself! You explained the rationale for your decision yet didn't apply the same to those that undertook work before you>? Im not a sparkie I just found it interesting that you appeared critical of others whilst installing against your instinct - suggests all parties are driven by cost amd not the acceptable standards? Is there tolerances in the standard that allows both?

  • @scabthecat
    @scabthecat 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Buy yourself a 3mm vde hex driver for meter box work.. Much easier and quicker than using an allen key set .