Pt1. Diagnostics, Custom build with No POST - LFC
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- This custom build doesn't start. Rambly video that I'm splitting into a two-parter as a test. Part 2, the rebuild, out on Friday!
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I admire your perseverance
I would not have bothered even trying on that many pins!!
It would have gone in the bin after first glance in my shop.
th-cam.com/video/SzMHJXHO120/w-d-xo.html , i gues cheaper option then replacing mobo, or not,.. depending on work hour cost
@@marianmarkovic5881 It's not just about cost up front however. Sure, if you're a hobbyist and do it for fun then go ahead. But for those of us running a business, just buying a new board is a faster method and essentially risk-free. The customer covers the cost anyway, and you don't have the risk of the customer bringing it back a month later saying it's broken
TL;DR - Technically possible; practically unwise
@@thecomputersurgeon I get it completly,.. i just put it in since u were talking about how it is possible to replace it. also even by fixing pins,.. just completly test mobo completly, would be pain in butt. it is not for me thoo just upgrading BIOS give me chills. did u keep mobo thou? if u get equipment eventualy,...
@@marianmarkovic5881 Yeah totally :)
I ask the customer if they want it back or if they want me to deal with it
Goes on eBay if they leave with me
These videos are so informative and very well done, I always look forward to them, thank you for all your hard work in producing all the content.
Loved the prescient "I'm gonna have a quick nosey at this before I go any further, just in case I see anything horrifying and go 'there's your problem".
theres your problem, lady
Some time ago I had a bent pin problem, admittedly a much less severe one, which I caused myself by poking the pin array with my finger to see what it feels like (...) when I took the mobo out before RMAing it due to an unconnected issue. I ended up stuck with the board because the manufacturer doesn't touch a board if even a single pin is bent, but the local retailer's support guy gave me a good tip - cut off the tip from a larger hypodermic needle and use that to guide the pins. That helped and the board works to this day (albeit still with the original problem).
That's an interesting idea - I've had people say they use the hollow point of a mechanical pencil before but I'd still consider that too large, although I haven't tried it myself.
I use a knife-blade as I can better see what I'm doing with it, but there's probably value in experimenting with other tools, in case something works better for you.
WOW got to love bent pins lol he's really gone to town on that one lol good attempt.
I couldn't believe he got it looking that nice. I am 99% sure it would've POSTed if there wasn't pins missing completely. Hats off for that!
I've actually seen worse. A customer bent a board and CPU, neither cheap, installing the CPU upside down.
Yes and far to much thermal Paste, defiantly a novice job and that is some badly bent pins, Thing with that is Warranty's don't cover bad build mistakes so new Motherboard it is. Great Vid :) AdamAntIT
Always reference broken pins before spending any time straightening the pins. Saves PLENTY of time.
Step 1 when this happens to you: don't panic lol. You will feel the blood draining from your face, this is normal. Keep calm and google! Thanks for another good troubleshooting vid
he had a dance party on that socket
🤣🤣
I bet on bent pins the minute I knew it was an Intel system and noticed the quality of the build. You're a brave soul for making the effort.
You should DEFINITELY get a lighted magnifier before anything else ! I can't imagine doing what you did with those pins without one - it's hell on your eyes ! Maybe also get a PCI diagnostics card to help point you in the general direction of where the fault is. In this case, I imagine it would return a CPU error of some kind (or a 00 code in the first instance when it wasn't doing anything at all).
My first PC was a gift that wouldn't POST from a friend as a throwaway. Lots of diagnosing turned into straighting a ton of pins on an Athlon II. Free PC with an 8800GT started me on this long path!
I just love your mindset. Wonderful to hear how you think.
Whenever I have to mess around in my PC or replace a component I get anxious, especially if it's a fiddly one like the power supply... which I will have to replace soon, ordered a Fractal Design ION+ 860P to replace my midrange CX 650 that has no place in a 3900X & 3070 build. But watching your videos helps ease that anxiety. Tells me "it's okay, don't stress it, you can't mess this up. Treat it as a fun hobby". Thank you and this channel for existing!
Oh my god the second I saw those pins I screamed NO NOT THE PINS.
People need to understand that you have to be extremely careful with stuff like this, it's not like we're drywalling or something, be gentle. Understandable I suppose, most building projects in other domains are much more anti-fragile.
Regardless of the unsuccess good effort king.
"Let's drop a cpu in and try it" No, that's how we got into this mess to begin with!
LMAO
A valiant attempt to save the motherboard, if i had seen that it i'd have binned it immediately.
I have been watching all your no post episodes recently. So glad you have a new one.
same I love these :D It's like a thriller
in the first 3 seconds of the video i was thinking about bend pins in the socket. the most common faliure i noticed from my customers over the last 7 years
What a shame, the owner should of asked you to assemble the new parts.
A frend brought his machine around because it was not posting, i did just what you did, remove the brick of a display card and plug the montor into the internal one.
A corrupt display appeared, i jumped straight to the memory as onboard displays use the main ram.
Compressing one strip fixed the display, so out it came and another plopped in.
He was happy as larry :-D
A different frend brought his system round because it was acting really odd and the bios didn't always see the hard drive, i unplugged the drive and the whole power/sata pins connector came clean off the drive.
How the drive became damaged i don't know, i wasn't using any force, owner abuse i suspected.
Out came the 18 watt antex and after resoldering the connector back on the pcb it worked spot on.
I've never ever seen that happen before or since.
I haven't watched the last few streams but I will watch this first "no POST" video in a while (now)!
You're a brave man; with that many bent pins most would simply replace the motherboard. Meantime, I'm happy to see you looking and sounding well.
when I 1st started building machines, we would always build them in the box the board came in to see if they would at least post and only after then we would build them into a machine - but back then IRQ's and DMA channels had to be set manually
arh god bless the dam irq jumpers ..and all the extra add in cards you would need for mainboards
then you find the sound card irq options all clashed with something else
Thanks for the video you had me intrigued to make sure my Ram in the right slots. I'm glad you point out the little things it certainly helps and your videos are excellent I find them so helpful.
It looks like the owner dropped a bomb right in the LGA.
Thanks man for the Troubleshooting Video.
As soon as I saw those pins I knew there was probably no chance of saving it. But still a good attempt and great work!
Great example of why even if PC building has gotten much easier, its still recommended that you do your research before building yourself. (And by proper research, I mean more then one video/article on the subject)
@@MrFlunkorg Thankfully my friend (who is hopeless with computers) is enlisting me to actually build his first PC.
And thats why i like Am4
because u bending pins on cpu insted pins inside socket ? ya good reason to like amd
You still need to me careful handling the AMD CPU pins, you could just as easily brick a £300 chip by mashing the pins. Both types require equal care.
Yea, the mobo is cheaper than the CPU. However, I'm firmly of the belief that it's significantly easier to break LGAs than it is PGAs. Tbh as bigjoeangel said, both require care.
@@Adamant_IT I agree 👍 thx for a great channel.
@@grindererrofficial3755 Thank you, I think its easier bending pins back on cpu, and when its get in the socket pins are 100 procent
accurate again.
My first build's 3 year anniversary this week. Took me 2 days because I was trying to be so careful with those damn tiny headers. I was shocked when it actually booted up and worked fine. Then I tried to overclock without doing my homework...black screen and off to the local shop (much like yours) we went....$50 dollar mistake but worth the education.
Dropped in? That's a slam dunk!!
I salute you for even attempting to fix the pins
Got 2 boards from a friend with a shop no post. Both had bad chipset. One I could make post by replacing startup chip but some PCE slots and IGPU not working.
For the second I will try to replace the chipset chip but have to wait for China parts. Short on USB data lines directly wired into the chipset.
So my tip, if you can’t find the fault, measure for shorts on usb data line and shorts on the chipset directly.
Flash/reset bios.
Use a replacement PSU and remove everything from PSU and mother not necessarily for post.
Checking all voltages. CPU, RAM, Chipset.
Cheap pre heat station: T8280 Preheating Station
I use it myself. But check for ground/earth connection before using it....
That looks like when he was building the computer, he left the motherboard on the bench with a pile of stuff on top and the socket without cover. A corner of something got in between the pins and moved every other way. Something just falling or resting on top of them would have bent them in the same direction. And more localized. (Been there, done that, to my shame)
Why would you leave your motherboard on a bench, leave the socket without a cover .. or put anything on top of it?
"Golden Field" Wow and I just watched Dawid's video on some of there stuff before watching this. lol
Yep - Same here. I'm guessing the no POST is possibly related to the fact it's not built into a bright yellow case!!! LoL
@@TheImprobableIronman I agree. The bright yellow case is surely a necessary element for proper operation.
Ah lazy days on the farm amongst as 'Wordsworth would have proclaimed' A host of golden daffodils.. believe me, hundreds of em.. (sold to markets et in London) or buttercup strewn fields.. or yellow beautiful PRIMROSES... along the path to the beach.. AH youth is a wonderful memory indeed.. 'Cornwall' 😎💖👌
Lucky the Koala.
@@metrotechguru5863 And the stickers for max performance
Ouch... that's one painful socket. Good job on bending the pins back into place. Shame there were already some missing!
Getting ready to build my first PC - good timing as a lesson learned on CPU care and general troubleshooting guidance. Great video as always!
These days, there are so many really good vids that newbie builders can watch on a whole host of subjects / topics. Key to CPU mounting is to DO it with the motherboard OUT of the case, plus I mount the cooler etc but that can be fixed later.. Intel have pins the CPU as you have seen, sits on. AMD have pins that go into the socket.. still have to take care AND ALL CPUs MUST be put into the socket THE right way ie usually with a little triangle pointing to one on on the socket or fits into the socket ONLY one way.. Stay safe and believe me with over 40 years of building pcs building one that works well, does what you want it to do, is a pleasure that can have you hooked.. Over the years from the late 70s YES I was working for a company that built pcs for 'Reuters' the international news agency. ' Soldering control boards to chemical cleaning to testing, building into case etc packaging and despatch - the LOT!! My wife was a COBOL, PYTHON and Basic IBM programmer /coder/ trainer for a major drinks company in the UK and I looked after her HOME computer / server systems with regular new builds/upgrades etc When she had time OFF which we made sure she did.. we spent it across the world AND at top hotels that were free to use by us.. as a bonus.. meals the lot.. Obviously I also looked after and built for other people across the decades and still DO.. 👀😀I also some years ago put together with my wife a computer RETAIL database system for a friend of mine who owned a CYCLE shop selling push bikes, electric bikes etc.. Computer, monitor, keyboard, mouse etc the works.. My wife did the training for using it (made VERY easy to use but VERY VERY accurate re stock control, ordering, sales (customer info +) receipts.. hire purchase agreements, fax and so much more.. He was so impressed that we had two trips to cycle wholesalers to buy stock with travel expenses, hotel and meals etc paid for by him.. By then we knew what to put into the database re relevant details for the operators AND for the indirect benefit of customers.. "I want a hybrid bike with 301 tubing.. 21inch frame, 10 gears or more.. Shimano shift etc etc.. " Owner could input percentages on price between wholesale and retail AND see profit margins/sales and more.. Later of course.. website with shopping cart and banking facilities.. ! NOW retired thank you to just the occasional builds/repairs for friends and family! 👀😀 Stay safe.
When I built my first pc over ten yrs ago i was waiting for the cpu to come in the mail and it finally arrived but in my eagerness to place it in the socket i bent some pins like a big idiot and some pins broke off but i did manage to save it. I took an old cpu that was no good to me anymore and broke some pins off and placed them in the socket holes of the MB and it worked like a charm, all you need is a little contact and it should work and it did work for many yrs to come
I'd love to know the physics involved with how the pins twisted this much.
I consider myself lucky enough to own a BGA rework station and the tools that go with it. If you aren't willing to put at least £1600 then don't bother. Cheap stations need better ceramic plates, they really suffer from uneven heating. If your going to get one then look at a Jovy RE-8500. Then get a BGA Squeegee. I highly recommend getting Insat super flux (eBay) & Amtech LF-4300 the two work best together.
kudos for the beard closeups on the water pump!
the customer need to hang the board above his PC as a reminder for the next build.
I think him watching this video and reading the comments will suffice for him lol
well could be worse he could have had nzxt burn his house down
Oh what a sinking feeling I had on my first no post
Geez I had no idea a full socket replacement was doable at a PC shop level. Would love to see that content on your channel at some point should you decide to invest in the necessary equipment. That would be so badass!
Definitely! That would be awesome to see him attempt at least.
You can see the full process enacted on some of the game boxes such as Xbox, Nintendo, PS4 etc where they heat and remove certain micro chips.. CPU etc Its intensive and compelling to watch 👀😀 Stay safe!
Damn. Just had top end PC in (Ryzen 7 5800x, 3070, 32GB 3600 RAM), guy did it all himself and all worked before putting into case. After gone into case it wouldn't start, not even a blink. After some messing around with PSU I found out that one of the lines plugged in was shorting it thus shutting it down instantly. Followed the wires and to my amazement I found out Floppy connector plugged into fan pins! It shouldn't fit but the guy pushed it in anyways. Took it out, PC started instantly. Lucky that the PSU was shutting down instantly so no damage was done to the components.
Always nice to watch adamant work
At 16:15 Serious big oooof. Not just a little ooof but a huge mahooosive ooof.
So it is indeed Hello InterWebs at the beginning haha! Also I don’t think i would ever attempt replacing a socket, but would be interested to see Graham do it
I like how you said at the beginning you had a chat with him and he had his head on straight as far as the build...lolol This is one of the most common mistakes for inexperienced users who know JUST enough to be dangerous...lol Oh well, keeps the rest of us employed!! ;)
Great video. Nice to see unsuccessful repairs along with successful ones :)
awesome job bending those pins back... well done. :D
Likely would've been cheaper for the customer to buy a pre-built. New mobo + labor is going to increase the overall cost substantially. Fantastic troubleshooting though; the reason why I subscribed.
Holy Cow! those pins, I find that most of the time its usually bent pins from an inexperienced builder rather than faulty hardware but seeing that was brutal and those LGA pins are trickier than ryzen pins
Well that was an expensive lesson for the customer. Why they thought the pc would work with all those bent pins is beyond me, but there you go. Great insight as ever :)
Exactly what I am saying.
applause for even attempting to straighten that amount of pins m8
Had a horrible feeling it would be cpu/bent pins related just from that 4 pin fan going where it shouldnt! Nice work
You know it's serious when he went "Holy shi-"
14:40 don’t mind me leaving a bookmark for that glorious facial expression
Great - now you've terrified me for my next build.
customer be coming in like ''yea idk what happened it was working fine''
Experience drives troubleshooting styles. New to technology, systematic step by step is your style. Know a little, maybe system or modular divide and conquer troubleshooting works for you. My favorite, using most experience, is intrinsic. Intrinsic examines the areas of greatest faults and isolates them. This style saves lots of time. No style is wrong, just say'in.
Hell of an effort! Looks like the pins were hit with a hammer though...or worse. Yikes!
I really appreciate this kind of trouble shooting videos
thank you for the video
Valiant effort my friend!!!
wow the number one GOAT of it on youtube
Just learned something new about the intel cpu F and KF models.
I thought you had it for a moment. Nice work.
people should start using the PC Speaker, cause it gives most of the time an error beep wich is a code. And i see this often, that people don use a PC Speaker. It helped me alot during the years.
I do still have these plugged in and installed.
But for whatever reason it's somewhat louder than my older system, so I turned it off
I've never owned an intel mobo, does the razer blade fit in the socket while being flat?? I like to run a razer through all the rows at once while nudging to the side I need , able to straighten multiple pins at once (:
great stuff graham 😎
Bravo - good effort man.
Long time no see custom build with no POST.
Next time Chris Eubank brings his PC in, tell him to take his gloves off next time he's building a PC. That's one of the reasons I don't work for the general public anymore fixing PC's, the guy could have saved you a lot of diagnostic time by just saying what happened, really annoying and how much can you realistically charge? not enough for your time..
Agreed. If you're very lucky you might get half the story but usually far less. My favourite was a neighbour who back in the days of XP claimed they'd "just closed a window". The full story turned out they'd been mailed a link to some 'Critical Windows update' and run it. It was so broken I just reinstalled Windows.
This wasn't by any means the first time I'd had to sort things for them. They did something similar not long afterwards and near enough owned up. This time I told them as it was self-inflicted I wasn't going to fix it yet again.
Some time later I relented when their smart TV started displaying an intrusive 'WiFi dongle not connected' message that at the time there seemed to be no fix for. So I set them up with an ethernet > WiFi bridge that worked fine until they "unplugged the phone and plugged it in again". Went over and found a new router running the default SSID and WiFi passwords. Set it up again, showed them how to do it and left it working. Not long afterwards I was over for another reason and saw the bridge had lost connection. I didn't say anything...
The invention of LGA was a travesty and good work on those pins even if it still didn't fully work in the end.
What a catastrophe. How on earth did it get that bad? You know what - I don't even want to know!!! It just makes me feel sad.
Another great video. Thank you.
Ouch... poor guy.. nice video!
Fair play dude, really good effort.
wow, that’s a good pin straightening job. I’ve hd this before and gave up. Even with a magnifying lens, my eyesight wasn’t good enough.
Now that socket needs to some pins to be soldered.
I Knew it....had it sussed out what the problem was long before you revealed it ! I would have just swapped out the board. The time to fix it I would charge more than the board was worth ! Sorry this board was game over....problems will arise !
Good God that was awful to see. I admire your enthusiasm and effort in trying to fix those crunched pins. This should be called " when building your own system goes horribly wrong ! " Episode 1
I had one slight bent pin on a motherboard I got off ebay and it stopped 2 of the ram slots from working. Bent it back worked as new.
great video i really enjoy watching your videos
A valiant effort!
Nice work,well done mate.
The bane of computer parts distributors is selling to amateurs and having the number one reason for returns, bent cpu pins. Seriously, this is the number one reason that first time builders will attempt RMAs. I've had a 1% success rate on recovering motherboards bent up like that and I consider myself to be rather good at it. Those motherboards have hooked, curved, springy pins and are tough to work on and I've taken to replacing the cpu socket after attempting the bent pin repair.
Now I'm curious how much the board heater and hot air socket kit cost. You just got a much nicer hot air station, and I'm sure you have a fair number of dead mobos you could practice socket replacement on. I'd love to see you attempt it.
Always start with the diagnostic speaker & see what is says, if anything. If you remove RAM and the speaker makes zero noise, then move to mobo and cpu.
AFTER STRAIGHTENING THE PINS I USE A TOOTH BRUSH WITH ISOPROPYL ALCHOHOL AND GENT RUN THE BRUSH THE WAY PINS ARE POINTING SAVED ALOT OF LGA BOARDS
I have never seen a socket so damaged
Never seen linus tech tips? LOL
Great video brother
A valiant attempt.
i'm the only one in my town that takes in custom/prebuilt gaming computers for repairs. i don't own a shop i do things in my house. and theres 2 other actual repair shops here in town and they are both afraid to touch mid to high end machines. so they tell their customers to bring it to me. nothing wrong with that and it's so frequent now that i only fixed gaming and workstation computers. i've seen a lot of beginner mistakes. after i fix the computers and i know its a custom rig. i educate the customers when they come to pick up their system. so they don't make the same mistake and do it properly the next time they pick at their machine or build a new one
Isn't your billable rate on time to fix the pins more than a new board?
14:36 My Eyes, My Eyes. Ouch!!!
When I built my PC, installing the CPU was the biggest shit-your-pants part of the whole build for me. I made extra sure that I had firmly in my grip before I put it anywhere near the socket.
Being over 50, and having impailed a Ryzen on the zif arm, knowing the visual eye trouble I had just to bend back 2 pins into alignment the very thought of doing that many pins would have lead me straight to a new board. If the customer donates or otherwise leaves the damaged behind I would say go for it get the equipment.
That pins array is a horror scene
10:34 Had an HP NetServer that needed the shunt moved into the short position and then the machine had to be powered up, then shut down and that cleared the BIOS. The shunt was then returned to the normal position. If I had been able to remove the battery on that one I would have. Removing the battery removes all doubt that the BIOS has been cleared.
Do you think you could get the socket up to reflow temperature with the heater you have by moving it around a lot and pulling the socket up by the pins? Maybe you could get it loose on one side, then pry it up and do the other side. Unless the customer wants to wait until you have the right equipment you have nothing to lose.
It can be done, but I think it requires a fair bit of prep and a pre-heater. I've got some parts on the shelf to do a practise run on an old AM3 motherboard, but it's quite far down my list of stuff to do at the moment.
lol I kept thinking at the start that the motherboard had a damn great hole in the middle of it..
That would surely have provided the same effect.
I could understand a bit of damage in some pins next to each other... but how the heck do you do that? 🤦♂️
It takes a special brand of bufffonery to plug a PWM fan in to the completely wrong socket. To be fair, the screen printing is misleading but he should have taken more time and consulted the motherboard manual carefully. One thing I did notice on a build I did a year ago on a Gigabyte board was just how much more legible and clear the screen printing was compared to the Asus boards I normally use.
You get a like for attempting to use the word buffoonery, but spelling it wrong, like a buffoon!
@@bigjoeangel Old age, failing eyesight and failing to spot too may "fff's" . What can I say? How about "Doh!" Maybe YouTubing with lack of sleep not a good idea.... (sleep apnoea) so in future more care should be taken over proof reading. But, apart from that did you agree with my comments?
@@iansyme3535 I can sympathise with you're age related ailments. I do generally agree that the person who built this PC was indeed a careless buffoon who didn't read the manual properly. As far as the silk-screen text on Asus versus Gigabyte boards, I've had both brands and had no problems with legibility. I think it may vary on a board to board basis, depending on the colour of the PCB used and various fancy styling elements employed, such as matt black PCB with gloss black text and RGB lighting, etc.
@@bigjoeangel the Gigabyte board which I thought was well marked up was as cheap as chips for a present of a build to a neighbours son coupled with a cheap dual core intel processor. It struck me immediately how well marked it was but as you say, may be more due to the extra finishing and varnishing up etc on a more elite motherboard. You kind of expect an expensive motherboard to do well in this department but does not seem to be the case!
@@iansyme3535 To be honest I don't think it matters how legible the text was, buffoons gonna deal in buffoonery! :)