Quick 857DW+ vs. WEP 2-in-1 Hot Air Test - LFC
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- It probably goes without saying that a Hot Air Station in a different class to my current one would be better - but I think there's a lot of value in doing comparisons so you can see and understand first-hand the difference that tools can make in one situation or another. Sometimes good tools are just a quality of life upgrade - sometimes they're necessary to progress.
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00:50 Your approach is genuine and correct, I honestly prefer your video over other channels because you are taking into consideration that some people just started into this hobbit, which may develop with time or not.
thank you
Love your content Adamant IT. I’m personally not into soldering etc, but videos like this show the amount of effort, time and resources required to effectively repair a simple faulty chip etc . It also shows people why things cost what they do, especially when people think simply “it’s a $5 chip and a few mins work” why should I pay $xxx for repairs. Like many jobs, it’s what is done behind these scenes eg setup costs of equipment and job training etc which you also have to take into account. Your videos have always been interesting and informative. Keep up the great work 🥰🥰🥰. Hi from Australia 🇦🇺 👋🥰
Great video my friend. I’m just starting to get into board repair for a local school district and need a good air soldering station. You’ve single handedly convinced me to go with the Quick. I’ve ordered a Quick 957DW+.
I appreciate how down to earth you are. That is why sometimes I may pick watching your video over others.
Adam you are doing great job. And this kind of tests are priceless for me. Especially I am trying to run business for my self. Keep up the good work!
After finished watching your review I ordered the machine using your link. Thanks a lot.
Great video Graham, look forward to seeing BGA repairs in the future buddy
Hi, thanks to you i just buy a Quick 857DW+, i come from a really cheap JDC combo station and WOW, this Quick 857DW+ is really awesome, thanks for your time making this kind of video, it helps a loot to us entering this field of repairing stuff with a limited bugged, thanks
Very nice comparison. Now I see the big difference in these hot air stations. Looks like I need an upgrade!
Thank god that u created a video cos I recently bought a quick 850d
Thanks! Because of you I’ve now purchased Quick Hot Air Station as well as a DC power supply to replace all my inadequate equipment. Lol
Great demonstration. I always found my cheap hot air gun (just like your WEP design) not really hot and took quick a lot time to take out components. I have put 957DW+ ( RMB 430 ) in my basket list on Taobao but I haven't confirmed the order for a long time because I couldn't found any reason to pay around three times in price to get this one. Your this video helped me to make decision to confirm my order. I don't like the handle design of 857DW+, so I chose 957DW+ instead. Thumbs up for you.
will add this to my bucket list also with all these new tools i hope that means more board repair videos :)
Thanks for the review, this is just the type of unit I'm looking for! Like to see more GPU repair attempts from you now.
Bought my first bass guitar from a pawn shop for £120 but it was actually a decent one. Sold it to my friend for an extra £100 cos that's what he offered. 8 years later he still plays the same bass in his band. Thank you to the person that gave up learning bass, I did too but at least I made an extra hundo out of it.
Buy the best you can afford for the feature set you need, not want. You will be disappointed far fewer times than buying cheap. Your work will typically reflect the results as well. 25 years of machine shop experience. As you mature in any given industry the opportunity to upgrade and improve will become easier, but even at my stage in life I still stick to my opening statement.
I've just got the Quick hot air station you used here. I watched this video when it was uploaded but I hadn't realised I'd picked the same one when I put the order down a couple of days ago. I don't have any jobs for it yet but I hope it will be good when I need it. I have a couple of SMD practice PCBs so I'm going to get some practice in with it and also some manual soldering too with my TS100, which I have no problem with and that if anything I find rather easy.
Spot on video for me, thank you!
After your video where you built the oscilloscope kit, I bought one and made it too with a Yiuha 853D (very fun to do btw). Of course I still have to learn how to use it and... Find a use to it :) Thanks for your videos.
Because of his accent and my dumb ears, I thought he said the guitar would end up in the porn shop. A few quick seconds later and I realized he said pawn shop. lol
Me to! I was looking forward to going guitar shopping.
I'm to believe that's more down to your mind than your ears. 😆
@@dawn5227 I can agree with that. lol
Phonetically you Mericans pronounce Paun instead of Pawn, the way it is said in the video is correct and I distinctly hear the lack of an R also ;).
lol
your hand is a great temperature measurement, saves buying any temperature measuring equipment FFS I agree the 857DW may well be better as it is a dedicated unit, but I have found the wired heat pump adequate for most work where a heat gun is required for hobby use
Spot on with the guitar reference there Graham. I started with a shite guitar from Argos, I now have a gorgeous Gibson Les Paul that I got mega cheap because it needed repairs.
Dude, you got me started in micro soldering, I didn't even know it was a thing until I saw your videos, so thank you!
A little tip though, the metal HDD lid will be wicking a load of that heat away. Same with the tweers. I'd recommend getting some ceramic ones so they don't act as a heatsink and keep the heat in the board.
Meeeeeh maybe... I wouldn't have thought it makes any real difference - but that's definitely something I'll put to the test at some point!
I use a Silicone Potholder from the $1 store!
"People and lab equipment in repair who are significantly more talented than i'am". You shouldn't underestimate yourself this way, i recently discovered your channel and in my humble opinion you're doing most brillantly than most of those people you're talking about. i'll won't be disrespectful and name them, all i can tell they're all garbage compare to you lol. You desserve really better. Thank you from France for all your very instructive videos and great and neat job as well.
im glad you like the quick :) i told you and you listened finally :D well done , when you ready get the beast QUICK TR1300A Intelligent Hot Air Rework Station De-Soldering 1300W!!! It will be the last hot air station you wil ever buy :P
Hi there, if changed the tip on the web station. Will it perform better? Because now a lot of universal tip available online, with different price tag and brands such as HAKKO.
very nice tool.thenks
Wow that’s a massive difference on the bga I’ve just got a cheap one wish I’d seen this video before lol
would you consider the idea of preheating the board to take the load off the equipment and get flow faster? just 2-300 degrees farenheit.
And now you've got a spare to heat the shop on the cold mornings.... Lol
I'm sorry if these are silly questions, but I was wondering if you've used the thermocouple on your VC99 to check the output temperatures at the blower nozzles and perhaps to identify the spread of the hot forced air as it moves away from the nozzles?
That'd be a good way to do a more scientific review. But brief test shows the bit that we need to know - the bigger blower in the Quick goes _brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr_
Hi sorry i have noticed that there are copys of the quick 857dw+ have you checked yours as they say the original 857dw+ has a barcode on the back & copys are not the same inside good video
Hello
You have encountered a Dell Precision 7510 error case
USB And HDMI board, the audio communication port is faulty leading to the machine not working (indicator light such as CPU error)
Tried replacing with a new one which works well
Is there any way to fix the error as above?
Can you make a video clip for me to see
Thank you very much!!!
That was very helpful as i'm struggeling with big caps on macbooks as a absolute beginner. I have the cheapest hotair and as you mentioned it has this cheap handle as all the crappy ones have.
The quick sounds like a real bargain.
Have you thought about soldering tweezers? I’ve just invested I. A set for under £50. Pretty good to be fair
Am I correct in understanding that the 'hand-in-front-test' is now finally endorsed by the BSI? ;-)
Sometimes the simplest test is the easiest to understand ;)
Should set a temp probe up and then tape measure or whatever and stay the same distance away with each blower lol
Where did you get that long tweezer?
Muchas gracias
Thenk for this great videos ... Do your haven't opsion for best 836
got a similar wep unit, had no problems reflowing a ram chip on an old nvidia gtx275 . Also depends on how big the power/ground planes are as they wick away heat very quick.
heating the board from the underside (using an iron, a crepe maker or similar), even if just to 120-150 degrees, helps with this enormously. I struggled to get a VRAM to flow for a long time, by using a heater from the other side the job was done in a matter of minutes
A very nice bit of kit, makes your job easyer and quicker.
Maybe if you are heating a chip that only has gullwing pins, you could switch to the smaller tube and back the air volume off a bit, keep the jet more confined.
I'm likely talking crap, well less than i normally do :-D
I dont need a hot air station.... yet!, the quick looks handy though.
i like quick bc they are durable, almost every electronics repair in here using quick hot air station for more than 10 years without any maintenance
What micro pencil soldering do you recommend bro. I need to find one, I am also learning how to repair logic boards. Thank you for your videos I learn a lot.
I use a Miniware TS100 at the moment. If you go hunting though, I understand that there's quite a few cheap stations that are compatible with Hakko tips, which will give you more or less Hakko performance without the price tag.
@@Adamant_IT ok thank you btother .
Hakko FM2027 if you want big boy tips, FM2032 or tweezers if you want to sodder tiny stuff
Getting one
what is the min and max airflow of the Quick 857DW+? i cant find it anywhere
I'm not sure. It's decent, but it depends what you're doing. So far this station has managed everything except advanced stuff (large BGA) and to an extent, new-gen consoles, where it struggles but gets there eventually.
There's some decent 1000w Atten stations around that will blow this out the water now, but they're still more expensive than this unit - so it depends on budget.
if its good enough for you then its good enough for me :D ordered one as well looks really promising for the price and the atten is just not available from eu stock :(
I have read reviews informing us that the Quick comes with a euro plug and as such does not have a earth?
My question is simple. Does the cable have an earth or is it class 2?
If so changing the cable or cutting off the plug and replacing with an earthed one makes more sense?
FYI I own a WEP 898BD+ I increased the airflow by taking off the handle and removing some of the restricting plastic grill on the inside.
This also speeded up the heat up of the wand by around 30%
Ah, yes mine came with a Euro plug, completely forgot about that in the video! Cable is earthed, so just chop the plug off and put on whatever plug you need.
For your 820-3023 board, don't bother, they have a common issue that's not the RAM chips themselves, it's either the CPU or the PCB itself (still not really clear). Reflowing the RAM sometimes revive them for a short while but they end up failing again.
I personally started with a Yihua 898D and man… what a nightmare. I really can't recommend getting that to anyone, even if it's cheap. I got a TS100 and a Quick 861DW now and it is *really* a game changer. Iron made the most difference for me, but hot air is also night and day. I had so many quality issues that shouldn't happen (plastic crumbling on both the iron and hot air handle, even melting on the hot air handle, cables going bad, even the pins of the mains plug just breaking off) that I'd stay far away from any of these stations. And of course it just doesn't cut it for a lot of jobs. Yes you can rework some boards like your random cheap Quanta/Compal but you still have to take care not to cook them and it's really not comfortable. When you move to MacBook boards it's a different world. Much more QFN and BGAs chips, and of course much higher thermal mass in the power planes. The cheap garbage stations are really struggling and just cannot get the job done.
When you have this kind of garbage tools you really think you're too dumb to get soldering right so it can definitely be a major source of demotivation. And of course killing lots of boards and chips that could otherwise be repairable…
I have one wep, but the temperature wasn't correct ex when I set to 450⁰ actually the air was exiting at 300⁰ I had to readjust the thermostat, after that it improved a little bit, and it's still +/- OK for the things that I do.
Can you make a review for Quick 957DW+ Hot Air Station if by having chance?
Got exactly that Quick station to replace GDDR5 memory chips after struggeling with a fake 858D. I use no reduction tip for that. The Quick is so much quieter, faster and more powerful than the cheap one. Do not waste money on trashy cheap units! TS100 is fantastic too.
I have the WEP as well. Back when I bought it, the "new style" stations with the heating element integrated in the tip were like 4-5x the price and completely out of my range. The only question then was: Do I buy a branded "old style" station or a cheap Chinese knockoff? Went with the knockoff, and can't complain. But I also can't generally disagree with your assessment. The hot air gun is more like an added bonus. "Buy this soldering station, and we'll throw in a hot air gun for free!"
As for soldering portion: The soldering iron appears to be a clone of the Hakko FX-888, so any tip for that will fit the WEP, giving you access to the full range of tips from Hakko. Furthermore, the WEP already comes with a broad selection of tips, and you can get new ones from Aliexpress for less than a dollar for a bundle of five (shipped). Whereas the "new style" tips are ~10 Euro - for a single tip. So if money *is* an issue, consider the tips as well as the iron itself. The TS-100, for instance, comes with only one tip. If you include a decent range of tips for different applications, you can easily double the investment cost compared. And stupid newbie mistakes that ruin your tip are much less scary when they cost only 20 cent.
If I had to bottom-line it: The WEP is soldering technology that was state of the art 20 years ago. Since then, technology has moved on, and great improvements have been made. But it's not like people back then couldn't do their jobs. *shrug*
i wander if your heat gun has a diff element than mine or if it has a a 120 volt output on the tranny inside of yours mine would burn a hole threw the hole board if i held it on half the time as you i am thinking you are using 230 volts here in us we us 120 volts have you found long lasting cheap tips for the iron i got ahold of two that dont wear out but forgot where i ordered them by the way i use tin wrap on my eliment to make it fit tip tight
How to find whether its original or copy (Quick 857dw+)
Nice!
10:20 Strictly speaking the laws of thermodynamics forbid this. The new station can put out a higher temperature, which feels more "hot", or a higher airflow, which improves the ability of the air to transfer heat to your hand and again feels more "hot", but barring COP>1 systems, watt for watt, one watt of electricity creates exactly one watt of heat. For heat generating perposes, this is an efficiency of 100%. No more, no less.
i understand what adam is trying to say. even if we ignore the better air pump in good quality station, by efficiency he is saying that the cheap hot air station might display 400c temps but in reality they will be putting out 325-350c. thats just what you get in such cheap products. better quality stations will put out air that is very close to the set temperature because they are properly calibrated and use better controllers unlike cheap ones
@@lordjaashin What gave me the urge to comment, was that at 9:52 he said that he measured it at the wall. But to be fair, he did say "idling", so yeah, I was nitpicking because I felt that it got a bit jumbled, but by and large, his comments were not really counterfactual or even implausible.
i would like to state for the record, that their are alot of variables to be considered.. ex. the distance away from board, the angle used, the movements used... just saying.
The BigClive school of testing. How far you get before it's too painful :)
i have two blue soldering stations just like that but zenny brand it is 69 bucks including shipping it is a incredible deal!!!! put a good tip on it and you will love it the temp setting on iron works great set it as low as possible setting to high will wear out and ruin your tip along with burning up you rosin i have had mine for over two years i have used over two pounds of 0.8 lead rosin solder in those two years you will not like any iron if you get the wrong solder solder can be a nightmare if it is to big around or not made of lead and rosin core get a trusted name brand that is 0.8 around ROSIN CORE 60tin/40lead if soldering through hole and some smd any bigger is a pain unless doing big connections and this iron is not for really big stuff like was said in video if your cheap like me get name brand that is cheap because it is expired i cant tell any difference smaller than 0.8 will work you just have to feed more as this video stated if you use a heat gun alot this one may not be for you i have had no problems of of mine i dont turn air down low and heat high and i dont use it every day it sounds and fills cheap so i am easy on it it runs off of 120 volts and turns its self off when put in its holder it could be bad if left on and cat or something else knocks it of i was first worred about the iron so bought a 3 dollor replacement it works but have never needed it the heat gun is 120 volt the iron is 24 volts and the control board is 12 volts ask me how i know lol i ended up with two units my first one quit working first time i used it the seller on ebay sent me a new one told me to keep the broken one and refunded me i texted him and told him he made a mistake he said thanks for honesty and keep both so before i got the other one in mail i took it apart i did some probing and the 12 volt winding had no voltage the 12 volt pulls very little not even a amp so i think it was just a manufacturing flaw IT HAPPENS i rewound the low side outputs of a little toroid i had in the parts pile although it is bigger than the org square one it fit perfect looks factory i had the square bottom 4 corner screw holes and bolt hole in center bottom and the big round washer with rubber gasket for top of the little tranny it has worked great every since!!! the other free new one my 10 year old at the time son learned how to solder with when his hover board blew up wife was mad at me refusing to fix it i told her just set back and watch after begging and saying i was a mean dad didnt work he got on youtube and learned how to use a meter to test components found a mosfet in my parts that didnt match but had higher amps with me trying to let him down easy that it may not work he soldered it in and it still works good he uses it every once in a wile to fix his or his buddys stuff the point of this book of a post is about the same as video these are cheap and good starters i love mine and skipped the getting a better one one other thing i have read some of these dont have or hooked up wrong ground and even though it has on off switch on back you really should unplug it after every use that is a nobodys two cents anyway thanks and god bless any one who reads this and the owner of this channel lots of time and work goes into these videos
TH-cam suggested your video as best possible match. Please suggest the "significantly talented review" channels.
Louis Rossmann and Northridge Fix are both good places to start
If that soldering iron on the combo station takes Hakko tips (T18 or 900M, for the FX888 soldering handle) then the Chinese knock-off tips are indeed terrible. However original Japanese-manufacture Hakko tips are a lot better. You can get industrial/production tips with specific tip sizes and shapes. I've got a couple of cheap Chinese soldering irons that take these tips and the Hakko tips I bought direct from Japan last much much longer than the original bits that came with the Banggood irons.
I went from a chinese 2 in 1 station to a PACE ADS200 and it honestly was a night and day difference.
hello my friend you are very very good electronic techknic sorry for my english i dont now good i am from greek can you tell me please were can i buy the multimeter probes microsolder work smd motherbotherboards same like yours?
ah, the edited title makes a lot more sense than "LFC Quick" :P
Now its time for you to upgrade RAM on Late 2013 Macbook pro from 8 to 16gb.. i saw one did it on youtube.. did not look easy but he got it working.
maybe you have a working spare board for training/testing purpose
Can you make a new board repair video playlist please
I kinda agree , kinda disagree on the startup stuff. I think you'd have done enough research before even buying the cheap stuff, and if that's the case you're probably more interested than you think...
may as well pony up for at least mid range stuff. I'd rather buy something once knowing it's good rather than have bought 2 items hoping I could make the cheap one work.
TLDR I've bought cheap crap before and .....well it's usually crap lmao.
even if you ended up not wanting it I say you have better chances of selling it off over trying to sell off the cheap one.
but hey we all got our reasons 🤷
but all in all great video
Can you get angled tips for it?
Yes, I have some on order from aliexpress.
How to calibrate , when i cheak on multimeter actually temperature 🌡️ was 280 © , but smd display show 350 © , brand new smd ????????
top man
Excellent very nice 👍🌟🌺🌺
Taking the ram modules off is the exact same test Louis did when demonstrating the quick.
Ayyy. Sounds abut right. I haven't watched Louis for quite a while, but I'd previously seen him doing similar tests on ISL chips. Given that I knew RAM chips were the WEP's weakness I opted for those.
@@Adamant_IT I have the wep 8508D, so far it’s been good (hose and air pump in main housing) I haven’t had to do any reflows yet, but I’ve replaced a few pmic in tablets and laptops . I am how ever seeing it’s limitations as it takes an age to heat things up even with preheating
I’ve been getting the following notice on the link for the past couple of weeks: Restocking. It will be available soon. 🙄
For a starter / daily driver at not really alot of money you really cant beat Hakko like the FX888D for instance. Tips are wide spread and not overly expensive.
I own quick 857dw its excellent hot air gun. Quick and lightweight gg
You just made me hate my 45$ hot air station which I worked really hard to buy
I bought something like you did(left one) and its kinda...it makes noise as a real air compressor.😂
With that big cable isn't it more difficult to handle ie it controls you rather than you control it. The other seems more useable.
I thought it would be more unwieldy, but it isn't. You do need it on the bench though, unlike the WEP, which I have on a shelf under the bench. I want to get all of my equipment up on the work bench anyway though, for better access.
@@Adamant_IT You can never have too much clear workbench....Something that seems to elude me.
A good compromise might be a shelf above the bench, so your work surface is clear and the equipment is right above in easy reach.
Not sure why you limited the heat on the wep yet didnt limit the airflow on the quick?..... if you are going to time them then let them both max out ?
Yea in retrospect I should've just set both to the maximum they were capable of. But I can tell you from experience that setting the WEP to 380 probably wouldn't have helped it much. It just doesn't have the airflow to put the heat down on heavy boards.
@@Adamant_IT yea, I've no doubt the quik is much more capable....just thought it strange you handicapped the weaker model further. But anyway, keep up the good vids sir!
use the spare in the kitchen for burning the top of meringues
I find the Quick company is a particularly strange one.....can't seem to find a legitimate website for them. Also, they seem to have a lot of weird models that I can't seem to verify if they're authentic or not.
Nice advice.
Will two guys talk tech be live this saturday at 7?
Next show is Tuesday 2nd 7pm UK, we're testing a weeknight!
@@Adamant_IT thanks for letting me know, hope it stays as weekdays aswell
I bought a similar hot air unit as the quick one for £45 for doing auto repair work, with the correct plastic strips you can repair almost anything. The "official" auto unit was about £300-£350. And you could get a nitro one for about 1k.... Rip off bastards in the auto trade! 😂
i think you would like the channel electronics repiar school he is awesome very slick at repair
I saw the title of this video and thought it was going to be about old-school WIFI Security :}
Atten st-862d masterrace :P
It bugs me when people say you need to buy the best right out of that gate. It's terrible advice. Often there's a learning curve, and it's easy to speak from experience. However, if you're getting into auto detailing, for example, and you go out and buy a high end polisher and don't know what you're doing, you're going to burn up the paint real fast.
It's always a balancing act. I think there's a lot of value in starting with cheap tools so you can understand their limitations and know what the expensive ones are doing for you. But also it's tricky if you're struggling with something and don't know if it's the tool or the technique.
Hi, I sent you an email to your youtube listed email regarding a possible GPU fix.
I was not sure if you have received it?
Kind regards
My inbox is a bit swamped right now I'm afraid! I'm not currently doing mail-in repairs due to being flat-out with local work. I may look into it this summer, but it's not on my mind right now.
@@Adamant_IT I totally understand, Thanks for the reply.
Don`t turn it on Let`s take it apart.
The airpower on them cheap stations and so weak I wish you we're able to put an upgraded fan in the puts out twice the air
you should pick a subscriber and send the WEP to him. Just for a giggle.
does anyone know graham says at the beginning? Hello twoworms? Hello auntworms? Hello and warms? hello interwebs? Lol been watching for a few months know and just realized i have no idea what he is saying. (American here so might be the accent)
Haha ... he's saying Hello Interwebs. Been watching him for awhile myself
Sorry it doesn't make too much sense for me.
If you are blowing more air you are reducing the temperature of the heating element faster => less heat delivered.
If they have same power than the reason you found differences between the two must be an issue with displayed temperature and airflow reading
The heating element doesn't run flat out all the time. It runs at max to reach the set temp and then it backs off to maintain temperature. So the more air you can pump out, the harder you can run the heating element to get more heat.
Same as with a soldering iron, the power draw drops right off while it's maintaining temperature.
hi @@Adamant_IT thanks for your reply, this is and was perfectly clear to me.
It still valid that more airflow more heat get dissipated from the heating element which in turn has to compensate sucking more energy in order to keep the desired temperature.
Now it could be that the "Quick" one can heat the heating element more and/or faster than the cheap one (when the airflow is the same) or it could be that temperatures set on both are wrong.
In order to benchmark them we should have a way to measure both airflow and temperature regardless what those hot air stations let you setup.
BTW using your link its now 110 USD.
Yes I misspoke in the video, it was about £80 (GBP). I added titles to correct this, but couldn't easily reshoot the whole video.
The metal enclosure you have the boards sitting on is acting like a big heat sink, sucking all the heat away from the board. using a board holder that suspends the board would be better as the heat in the board wouldn't get sucked away making the parts easier and quicker to remove. never have your work piece sitting on metal.
I bought the 2 in 1 from wish and while it was being shipped I asked the seller a question and got a automated reply saying sorry your having issues here's your refund
Pretty sure Louis uses a Atten hot air station.
Ah, he may have changed since I last looked then...
Louis Rossmann used Quick 861DW (£246) which is few class higher model than 857DW (£80), probably still have a Quick for backup
@@ceciliafrompoland8360 Louis uses Atten ST -862D also.... (The price is half of Quick-861DW)
I see your point about bot overspending as a beginner but with tools it's a bit different than with musical instruments. You might as well start out with a very cheap and very bad soldering iron or station and find out soldering is not for you because it's incredibly hard to do and super tedious. And give up, never knowing taht it was the tool that held you back.
I bought a 3 in one soldering, desoldering and hot air station once, for 350 € even. It was utter crap. Especially the desoldering gun was so weak it was completely dysfunctional. I returned it. If I had relied only on my experience with it I would have gotten out of hardware repairs very quickly.
So long comment, short conclusion. Beginners should not get cheap tools. They should get reasonably good tools that won't make them despair while trying to get the hang of things. There is no point in making it harder for oneself than it needs to be.
Yea I think there's a balance to be had. But I completely get what you're saying 👌
Jbc jaajjaaja its fucking expensive. I have the quick, louis rossmann make a comparison between quick and atten, and the atten worked good, also is cheaper.
Where did you get your 857DQ+ from as I've noticed there are quite a lot of clones about which makes buying one quite tricky. : th-cam.com/video/_pReYRzkPMM/w-d-xo.html