You said at 0:15 roughly that for a fact, physician suicide is higher than any other professions which is entirely untrue! I can't find a single statistic backing up your data.
My uncle, who was a very successful optometrist, told me that the single biggest thing to prevent/alleviate burnout is to have a hobby you are EXTREMELY passionate about outside of medicine. Meaning something you do almost every day (even if you work 100 hours a week), or something arduous. For example, my uncle ran a business flying private jets. His best friend was a near professional level musician. It’s not just playing tennis once a week, it’s playing four times a week and training for it. I’m only a med student so I’m not as busy as many residents but I devote A LOT of time to my individual hobbies. Discipline is so important even when you’re having fun
Tada_ imo it’s better to stay away from screens when you can. I spend enough time looking at screens for studying. Saturday/Sunday is really the only time when I use technology for leisure and I actually feel much better than I did in hs/college
My uncle who is a psychiatrist and has helped me throuhg my medical residence says exactly the same, so no now your comment is supported by experts too; and as a medical resident I can tell you that by doing a hobby that you are very passionate about you actually can reduce stress and have the time of your life even while doing a medical residence (even one that requires you to work 100h per week at it).
I’m not even a med student but these videos are always insightful. I’m also worried for my cousin who is currently studying for her MCAT. I always ask her to hang out whenever she’s free bc I know she has lost a lot of friends putting school and extra curriculars first.
The day I took my MCAT I woke up early, took the 8 hour test, and left thinking "it's over, now what?" I then drove home (alone) reflecting on all the time I'd spent not just studying for this test but being a premed and having no leisure time whatsoever. Before I got home, I stopped at Fareway (a small grocery store), got a cookie dough icecream, drove my car to the parking lot behind the store, which was near a cornfield, and spent ten minutes or so eating the icecream and staring at the clear blue sky above the cornfield. A lot went through my mind while eating the ice cream. I first thought about the countless hours I spent studying for a test which might not even have gone so well (and will it even matter considering my trash gpa?), but after I was done thinking about the test, I just thought about how it was such a nice day, and I had to no one to enjoy it with. I then finished eating, threw the icecream in a dumpster behind the grocery store, drove home, and started planning my senior year of college which started the following week. I'm now a first year graduate student who spends pretty much all day in a research lab. I got accepted into med school a few months ago. Was all the hard work worth it? I don't know, but I know I want to become a doctor. Long story short, medicine is a long, lonely road.
@@thefenerbahcesk4156 Thank you for your story. Trust me, your words don't fall on ignorant ears. I know all-too-well what that pain has been like while on my pre-med journey as well
I am a gamer and medical student at the same time. I highly value my free time, because when I can dedicate some of my time towards things I love (video games, books, and movies), I can perform at my best. In two short years, I will become a doctor, and oh boy, I am in for a lot of pain. Hospitals in Serbia are undermanned and underequipped, and complaining about depression and burnout is here considered as weakness. There are a lot of my colleagues (myself included) and professional doctors being burned out. Some of them even left practicing medicine in order to prevent suicide. Something has to be done. Increasing salaries and the supply of doctors can be costly, but hey, doctors are the ones who hold many lives in their hands, and should be treated as such!
Interesting thought. You note that women seek professional help for burnout more then men (31% vs 24%) could this discrepancy be a factor is why burnout is more reported in women. In other words, could the rates of burnout between the genders actually be closer but women report it more than men?
Could be. There are still many men who grow up to believe they have to "suck it up" whenever they come across a problem, or that they're weak if they need help enough to seek it out. It's really twisted, when you think about it. Women have faced many other problems throughout history, but a common theme is that they've been expected to be "weak" and so it's been more socially acceptable of them to conform to this and admit their problems (but they aren't weak for admitting problems and seeking help to fix that problem - it never is, for anyone!).
@@maymayy1208 Yeah, there's that too! Forgot about that in my comment. It's really interesting how the main cause of the burnout is very different between women and men, too - I'd really like more studies into that and why it could be so!
Thinking about it, women probably experience more burn out because: 1 we generally tend to be more in-tune and expressive with our emotions so this probably connects to said discrepancy 2 we also saw in that family and relationships were a primary factor in burn out for women and this is likely due to women feeling guilty for neglecting their family to focus more on work. For example the traditional expectation for mothers to take on more responsibility for raising children can make them feel guilty for either neglecting their job or neglecting their children. Additionally the added stress and responsibility that comes with raising children likely leads to faster burn out. In my experience (as a female who knows other females) guilt is one of the most prevalent and motivating emotions for many women and feeling like you're not doing enough for anyone seems to be a factor in burn out.
@@englahimla9451 I don't think the divergent rates of seeking professional help are responsible for the discrepancy between men and women's risk of burnout. I'm pretty sure these data are based on representative surveys, so they ask everyone about the symptoms and then look at the numbers - it's not a survey to help-seekers. So there probably is a genuine gender burnout gap, but I don't really know why. Women do seem to care more strongly about relationships/children on average, so they might feel more responsibility for that (while finances were the biggest contributor for men). I do think that the fact that men are less likely to seek help is partly influenced by norms that expect strength and self-control from men. That's unfortunately true. Don't forget the stigma on mental illness as well, which doesn't help either (and goes for both sexes).
Burnout isn’t necessarily physical exhaustion. Burnout is when you become bored and dispassionate with everything around you. Think of the times you were motivated and productive : you were probably working a lot more that you were at the time of burnout. Burnout comes when you lose faith in what you’re doing, you become disillusioned and bitter and resentful. You feel exhausted just thinking about everything you have to do. Why ? You are probably putting in hours of hard work, but aren’t seeing clear benefits/results. Personally, I’ve always wanted to be a doctor because of the type of people doctors were : smart, hard working, productive, empathetic. They were everything I wanted to be. I didn’t mind studying and putting in the effort to be productive and efficient, because all my actions were vouching for this identity, and that was tremendously exciting. Then reality came crashing down. I realized most doctors around me were awful : anti-social, narcissistic, sleep-deprived, too absorbed in their own self- improvement to be genuinely empathetic. I was unlucky, maybe doctors aren’t like this in other parts of the world. THIS wasn’t who I wanted to become. So I started slacking off. I was top of my class for so long, so this came as a shock for me. But they disgusted me, all I could think of when studying was the type of person I was going to become. I was sacrificing so much and for what? To become something I didn’t believe in. If you are burned out, you are probably putting in more than you are getting. If the reward seems worth it, trust me when I say you won’t even notice when you work your ass off. When you are burned out, turning to your family for support isn’t exactly going to help because they couldn’t possibly understand what you’re going through (unless you have doctors in your family). Females experience more burnout than males because there is more pressure on women to excel at different things. Trying to remain at the top of your field, being socially and emotionally available when your family/friends need you, the stress of being attractive enough to get married before it’s too late to get children (men don’t have to visually look good to attract women *sigh*), raising said children, cleaning and cooking and working hard in the hospital and more.... All this and men still get better pay and more respect. Sounds superficial, but if we women could just brush these things off and ignore all the expectations that come with our sex, trust me, we gladly would. We end up being stuck between family and friends that find us “too studious, not feminine enough, not socially engaged enough” and medical peers that find us “not focused enough, not career driven enough, not ambitious enough”. Yeah, you try juggling 5 thousand things at once. I can’t believe females being more burned out than males comes as a surprise. Really shows how self-absorbed some men really are. If being a doctor is difficult, then being a female doctor is even more challenging. A woman CAN choose to exclusively focus on her career...which leads to loneliness, and back to disillusionment (no one wants to spend the rest of their lives with a woman who won’t be available to raise kids herself, but somehow a man who works hard at his job and is absent is just trying to earn money for his family. You know, because women can’t be possibly doing that as well.) Many women put off surgery not for a lack of qualification, but because the hectic lifestyle it demands can’t mesh with outside responsibilities and expectations. There comes a time when you ask yourself : is it worth all the sacrifice? Working in a world driven by narcissistic men who have less responsibilities and get more respect than you do? That, my friends, leads to burnout.
It doesn't matter what doctors you saw being jerks and everything . You is you . You don't necessarily have to change to a jerk when you work hard and put a lot of effort in everything you do . I mean if you see the people in my country . Oh boy . Everyone thinks that they know everything . And if you try to correct someone above you they will either ignore or make fun of you . I know what it is but i don't fucking care . I will achieve my dreams no matter what stereotypes they put on it . No matter how many hours i have to spend studying my ass off . I just want to achieve it , even though it's almost impossible .
just lol. I really appreciate your effort in wirting your perspective down on burnout. But I also have to correct you by redefining some issues your mind / perception created. First, please don't have a look on other doctors, which are superficial. If they get so by working their asses off, that doesnt mean that you will become as same. That doesnt even make sense. The next illusion is this one: " the stress of being attractive enough to get married before it’s too late to get children (men don’t have to visually look good to attract women *sigh" I mean, what? Ok, it's true that woman only have a time span to be the most attractive and get married for having also children. Men have a bit more time on that, yes. But "men don’t have to visually look good to attract women *sigh" is false, no matter from which view. Men need to be visually more attractive than woman. Just think about this. Woman are the selective gender, their evolutionary job is to select more than 80% out. So a woman can just look average and marry a more better looking men by creating emotional content with him. The other way, men can't do that when average looking to a woman, who looks above average (in all most cases). That's nothing more than evolutionary psychology, that being said. The third thing is: "All this and men still get better pay and more respect". Nope. Not true. Not even a bit. Woman get paid the same amount as men, if - and only if - we need to be honest here - they do the *same* work. The thing why many woman get less paid is, bc men in same positions do create more content. And if so, they get paid higher. But if a woman does the same amount of work, she gets paid as high as men, obviously. Nothing wrong with being wrong here Miss, I only liked to show you some perceptual errors your mind was thinking off. All in one, woman also a heavy burden to bear.
Z Jaeger Oh honey. I would like to remind you that the comment reflects MY experience with burnout. You have the right to offer your perspective, but you CANNOT dismiss mine. You’re lucky enough to be surrounded by great doctors ? PROPS TO YOU, I envy you. First, of course the type of people you’re around with 12 hours a day will affect your self-identity. Especially if they value things and have principles that differ significantly from yours. You WILL feel emotionally exhausted and ultimately burnt out. Now, I really hate generalizing, but fact remains that the MAJORITY of doctors I’m surrounded with are very selfish & are in it for the “status”, “money”, “parents”; because they feel like their intelligence will help them climb some dumb social ladder. That’s the way things are where I live. Humble doctors really aren’t a thing. “But they deserve this”. I really don’t care how hard you work or how intelligent you are, if you don’t genuinely feel like you are using your intelligence to help other people (before yourself) then you don’t deserve to be here. Medicine is before anything else a SERVICE sector job. You’re intelligent, have a knack for science and want to prove yourself but aren’t really a people’s person? There are a ton of other jobs for that, which will require a lot less effort and give a lot more money. Dr Jubbal gave up 7 YEARS OF MED SCHOOL and a plastic surgery residency so he could help people in a way that he thought was more beneficial & inspiring. If that doesn’t show what a great doctor he would’ve been, idk what will. Second, it’s people like you who completely shrug off unequal pay with “men offer more content, that’s why they get payed more” that make me wonder if education really does make a difference...?? if only it were that simple?? The only place in the world where wages are 99% not sex-dependent is France & some other European countries. 17 years spent in the french educational system DOES teach you a thing or two about how things ought to be. Idk where you live, but where I’m from women are equally - if not more - hard working than men (especially if it’s to prove it to ignorants like you!). Let’s say you ARE right in your assumption that men offer more content than women (lol). Rest assured that the only thing keeping these women from giving their 100% are outside expectations/responsibilities that are promulgated by society (which include other women!!). Come back with your arguments when you’re expected to carry another human being in you for 9 months, raise that human properly , repeat that 1-2 more times and still managed to give 100% of yourself to your career. Also, I highly doubt the average man is willing to marry a woman with higher social standing and has the patience to play housewife and stay at home/care for kids while his surgeon wife is running in and out of the OR (if you know one, please do share). Only option is to marry other fellow doctors/scientist (forget family time at home!). A male doctor can easily marry any woman he wants to (women will be lining up at the prospect of marrying a doctor. Sad to say I can’t guarantee the opposite is true). If you live somewhere where women and men - even better if they’re of different race - are treated 100% equally and are both hard working, then good on you my friend. Please do recognize that the rest of the world isn’t as fortunate.
I realized just now that I've been binge-watching your videos to torment myself over having burned out. Bad family history, a ridiculously long list of medical problems, and the resulting mental health problems have caused my GPA to suffer. Last semester I got straight As again like I used to but I'll never get it to 3.6 even if I get max grades in everything until graduation. I feel like my failure is my fault, but I suppose I didn't ask my parents to psychologically and physically torture me ever since I can remember. I also didn't ask my body to develop autoimmune hepatitis and the mysterious pain, fatigue, and 'brain fog' that came with it. Watching Med School Insiders, I realized that a past I couldn't control really will be held against me to the fullest extent. The system really is as callous and bureaucratic as I had suspected. Ever since I was a child, I have known suffering. It has been my highest ambition to decrease suffering in others by becoming a physician, even if I have to sacrifice what remains of my health in the process. Doctors have been of little help to me, usually catching things based on blood tests I explicitly ask for. I'm a hard case, presenting with no acute symptoms most of the time, so they prefer to dismiss me. I want to be the physician who makes all the difference in someone like me and helps them live the life of someone who is not prematurely old. Surely pushing medical students to the point of suicide by holding them accountable to perfection is antithetical to the goal of producing caring physicians.
I can't say I understand what you are going through. But know that many things that happen to us can be out of our control. What has gotten me through life is Jesus. The gospel. your life matters and what you choose to do with it matters as well. Unlike what many say we are not JUST a bunch of cells put together by chance. It is because of Jesus Christ and his sacrifice that I am here right now. It was the son of God dying for my sins that I am still standing. - all with love
Omg god bless your soul you truly have been going through a lot.. trust me your words moved me and you have inspired me to continue my path even thought it is really hard and stressful .. please be safe and take care of yourself~
2:15 Deprived of sleep, high workload, low salaries and several responsibilities Man, you're making me doubt my decision to start Medical school this year.
When i interviewed for med school we were asked what concerns us most in medicine and i said physician burnout. Its something that you definitely have to consider but if you are prone to succumbing to anxiety/depression i recommend getting a psycholost or school counselor to talk to. They have made worlds of difference for me.
@@kaitlynkilpatrick36 for me, when i talk to psychologist and counsellors, they make me feel even more helpless like i have no hope of getting them to listen to me. they just tell me to get good or face the consequences (kicked out).
Don't do it. Not worth it. No joy in "saving people" when you can't even save yourself. I am just starting my third year of medical school and regret the decision to have done so all day every day instead of sticking with with my dream of living homeless in Hawaii near the beach and surfing every day (which I actually did do for a few months before medical school).
@@shawnreed7876 thats funny because I actually did that. Became homeless and lived in Hawaii and body board often. It was great/ awesome. But I stopped enjoying it after 5 years. The sun the sky the weather stopped being beautiful amd was just meh. Because its so beautiful year rounf compared to where you come from. You get used to it. And after a few years it just becomes another day. I realized I stopped enjoying it becausd I wasnt doing anything with my life. I moved back home. I got into the medical field and I actually feel happier now even though work is hard. I feel accomplished and working toward an actual goal in my life. Hawaii will always be there. I can aleays go back and visit. And besides because of Covid all the beaches are closed now.
As OBGYN resident, i aware of this. I have to performed avarage 50 operations per weeks. 50% of operations is emergency, so my sleep and free time is so limited. My phone ringer tone in the midnight is like a nightmare.
Whats done is done ... quitting medical school is important for me to recover my mental and physical health , 4 years of sever depression ended up with losing my mental capacities , i have no memory left no concentration and i weight 60 kg for 1,86 cm tall . MED SCHOOL IS HELL
I was in college as an engeneering major, and mostly watched this channel for the study tips that were more universaly applicable and I could use in my study. Though in the end I got hit by burn out in a major way, I began to feel like what I was doing wasn't going to pay off, I wasn't good enough, I had gone through high school eisily without having to spend much time on study etc, and wasn't well adapted to the loss of free time for one thing and that was largly what I had needed in the past to stay functioning. I also wasn't attractive at all to girls and no matter how much I tried to push the issue out of my mind I just couldn't get away from it, I had never been in a relationship, and just wasn't good enough do deserve to be loved by anyone, and had trouble making friends and what friendships I had wern't much worth it. I had always been rather lonely but largely like I said with my free time I could keep the worst of it at bay, but couple that with not being effective at studying, not being good at remembering what I needed to learn and just in general not doing well with such huge tests with no steady class work or grades to balance poor tests, or prepare. Also I grew up very poor and was poor in college as well all of this causing more stress. And yeah being so... so lonely... trying to improve myself is just so pointless when you know you're not good enough for anyone and anything you try to do doesn't change anything. Plus my family wasn't terribly supportive, and I felt like I had to be doing more for them. And in the end the stress was just to much and I learned I just wasn't good enough, or smart enough to be and engineer. Then I spiraled into a huge depression and then instead of just failing calc II I began to fail all my classes and eventually just locked myself in my room for over a week, no one even noticed or cared and I just thought all that time about suicide. failing my classes also meant I lost all scolarship and grant money. So I would no longer be able to even afford college. even two years after the event just steping foot in the city where my old college was at I began throwing up just from the anxiety of being in proximity to the college. I latter got a job trying to just get my life in order they ended up over working me, paying me very little. and in the end crippled my leg, and now I'm in constant pain. And nothing can be done about it. I can't get work, no charity, no help of any sort other then having a place to stay with my mother, eating sparingly as can't afford much food, and I can't exercise because of the pain, and the medical bills ruined my life and credit, and took all the money I had saved working that crappy job that got me disabled. So now I guess there isn't much else I can do but try to ride things out one day at a time or till it becomes to unbearable and just kill myself. My life is basicly over but among many other things it's basically because of burn out. My life is now irreparably ruined by it. All I can say is do you're best to avoid it. don't end up like me.
Viridian this is an old comment, but I am writing to you, because I had a friend who was in a similar difficult situation, and he did kill himself, and it still hurts me that I couldn’t do anything about it, when I know he could have been helped. Even though I never had everything falling down on me at once like you did, I also have been through depression, I also struggled with my studies and had years when I worried a lot about rent and I know the loneliness of not having a partner. My life is much better now, after years of positive changes, partly from own effort and partly from luck. What I want to say is that with time and small, incremental changes you can slowly walk to a better place. I know the feeling when anything positive sounds distant and empty, but it is possible to do one small good thing on a daily basis. For me it used to be a 15-20 min yoga video on TH-cam. You mention you can’t work out with that leg, but Yoga with Adriene is a great channel with hundreds of videos, and she often explains how to adjust poses for different conditions. Headspace, the meditation app also helped me a lot. Medschool Insiders has a book review about Atomic Habits, which gives ideas how to make attainable, tangible, daily changes, which add up over time. I would also like to carefully give you some hope that there still are people who are worth your attention and who would be interested in you (they are just not very social most of the time, so it’s easiest to meet them at work/through hobbies). Stay strong, man, and take care of yourself. That’s the best thing you can do, both short and long term. I wish you the best.
Yes this issue has seriously been bothering me. Its ridiculous that their isn't much attention being given to this important issue thank you for being part of the solution!!
Juggling a full time job (which I can't wait to leave), school/ prepping for grad school & taking care of my family(furbabies) is challenging. School is actually my relaxation & hope. I think working in a job one hates can suck the life out of you, but also gives me a reminder to work hard for something better. I appreciate these videos, this channel helps me focus on what is important & gives encouragement.
I just finished my last online class for the day, been sitting at my desk since 7am this morning and it's now 6pm. Yet I still don't have this time for myself. I have 3 reports and 2 papers to do for tomorrow, a final exam to study for, and I also need to study for the USMLE. I'm so burnt out and tired. I feel like crying and I am lost. I live on my own in a small studio unit and have no one to talk to except for going on zoom calls with my classmates/friends to do group work together. I feel like I've wasted my life and I don't see the end of this tunnel, and even if there is, I'm not sure if it's worth it...
If your passion is to become a doctor, then it should be worth it. Take a break or talk to someone in that case. Psychologist might help as well. If not and if you have passion (not interest), but true passion for something else, then go for that. That's what I did. I quit medicine in the EU 3 years into my studies. Here, 70% of people get kicked out in their preclinical years because of the intensity. I survived but still quit because if i didn't, i would have had to undergo additional 7 years of studying to finally become a practicing physician in my field of specialization. I found myself constantly stressed out, depressed, sleep deprived, obsessed in a negative way, taking stimulants to study 10-12 hours a day with little to no breaks, living and eating like absolute trash and it started slowly ruining my health, both mentally and physically. I also lost my interest in the practice of medicine completely (but not in the science of it) At the same time i had passion for something else, something i was thinking about 24/7 since a very young age, so i left med and did that. If you have a better option and if you aren't at the end of your studies, quit while you can. Quitting is not always a sign of weakness, you don't quit, you simply redirect your energy to grow in another field, where your hard effort will be appreciated by everyone and yourself. There is immense nobility in making the right choice. As a doctor, you will be another slave worker, working for a business (medicine is a business afterall). You will work 12 hour shifts and have no time to do anything else. So think again. If that's what you want to do because you love helping people in that way and that's your only desire, then keep grinding.
@@hypercarnivorenpc1493 that happens only till resisdency .as consultant you dont spend 12hour.also i wanna be the doc that goes from one hospital to another to perform surgeries and then done with it.i think there a term for those guys. also i have also told my family if i dont get the line which i want i will just quit.i in this field for money than stupid reason of helping people.line i want is orthopedics.wasy,non emergency line.if i cant get it.fuck doctrote.the degree is overrated itself
@@yowhattupitzbigchungus4971 I took a year off after medical school because I was over it. Now I will be starting an Emergency medicine residency in June
i really needed this as a veterinary student...there is nothing more sad than wanting to study and work this job ur whole life and now being miserable and feeling like you dont do enough or u wont be able to accomplish so many tasks when u begin to work
I’ve experienced/suffered from burn out. Horrible thing to go through. It’s tricky to notice the ship sinking... rock bottom is the wake up call. Took me a few years to get back on track.
The problem is in medicine we are constantly being told what to do, when to do it, and how to do it. I spend 30-40 minutes a day doing paperwork per patient. I finish seeing patients between 5-5:30 but stay in the office till 10-11 finishing up notes, submitting authorizations for surgeries or medications etc. I also have to waste my office staff time to submit outrageous amount of charts for medical review which puts stress on my staff as well. On top of that I have to constantly submit documentation in order to get paid for my services. So yes I’m burned out and yes I’m looking to leave medicine for good. But the problem is that a medical degree is a very limited degree. Outside of medicine the only thing my medical degree is good for is teaching, research, or joining board of an insurance or pharma. But even those jobs are far and few between. All I can do is hold on to my sanity long enough to be able to retire when I’m 65 which is another 15 years away and move out of the country where my retirement will go further. So you can do everything under the sun to try to reduce your stress but these things I mentioned we have no control over and they only get worse.
geddon436 there are a lot of options out there. It depends on if you speak any other language. If you do I suggest a country that speaks your language. If not, then perhaps it’s time to learn a new language! The options include some countries South America and Central America. Some Asian countries. Some European and Baltic countries as well. If you can tell me a bit about yourself and any languages you speak I may be able to give you some information that I’ve gathered in my research.
Onyx 2020 I know. Unfortunately medicine has been high jacked by the government and insurance companies. We no longer practice medicine but practice what the insurance companies tell us is right for the patient. People that have no knowledge of medicine are making decisions as to approve or disapprove treatments. Might as well get rid of doctors and have patients call the insurance companies and tell them their symptoms and have them tell them what to take and what to do. Doctors have become nothing but the middle man with all the liability. When things go wrong we are the ones sued and at fault because we didn’t prescribe the proper treatment even though it was rejected by the insurance. We have the government telling us what treatments are allowed and which are disallowed. On top of all that, they constantly cut our reimbursement while increasing the number of paperwork that we need to do. They give us unrealistic goals and expectations to meet or we get penalized in our pay. It’s not getting any better and will only get worse. I feel bad for those who are in medical school, or about to enter or considering medicine for their future. All they will get is a student loan of $300,000+ with nothing to show and a life time to pay for it.
@@WWTormentor i only speak english. i dont think i could move to another country yet because i don't make much money, and i am trying to return to college.
There's a blog somewhere where a doctor says he envied the homeless because they had very few things to worry about, unlike doctors, who have hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt and on top of that, add the stresses of the job.
What an amazing video! ♥️ Thank you! I've been feeling like this for several months now and I thought it was due to my own personal faults. Now I can give myself a chance to really solve the issue so I can keep helping people! Thanks again 🌼
Excellent video. The only thing I would like to point out in the quote concerning the burnout rates being higher in "surgical specialties- like general surgery and ortho, and urgent specialties like anesthesia and OBGYN..." is that OBGYN is in fact a surgical specialty.
The field of medicine you enter can be a significant contributor to whether or not you experience burnout. I was split between going into psychiatry or neurology, and it was primarily the burnout factor that informed my decision to enter psychiatry. Every neurologist I personally rotated with looked miserable and/or stated as much to me. Additionally, national polling (particularly from Medscape) on burnout trends by field showed that neurologists had the highest rates of burnout among all specialities and the lowest work satisfaction as well, while psychiatry had the opposite data. As well, psychiatry residency is objectively less stressful because there’s no stroke calls, which I was told numerous times make the residency experience in neurology hell. More and more young doctors are done with the bullshit “medicine is your life” mantra of old, and are not accepting terrible work schedules filled with stress, inadequate sleep, and unreasonable demands. We wants fulfilling lives outside of work AND fulfilling work. The two are not mutually exclusive, but for too long the job of being a doctor has treated them as such. But to reiterate my initial point: pick a field of medicine that treats you like a human during and after training; a field with good work-life balance. For me, that was psychiatry. There are other fields that allow you to achieve this, and quite a few that unfortunately don’t. One more plug for psychiatry: psych residencies often DO care about how’re you’re doing and your feelings of burnout, and make WAY more efforts to address this than most other residency programs.
that’s really interesting because over here in the uk the riskiest specialties for burnout and Suicide would be psychiatry (under resources and empathy drain), family medicine/primary care (work rate, empathy drain/ lack of resources, under appreciated, lots of politics etc) and anaesthetics (access to lethal drugs).
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Amazing video! Thank you for sharing I have started to feel slightly burnt out and I’m going to take your advice seriously and advocate for the cause! :)
Another factor to think about is social media. Watching your friends develop careers and families while your still in school and working on compounding debt probably does not help.
I had severe burn out in the last year of my school, followed by depression. I didn't see any sense in studying anymore and I was like "why should I study or why should I do X if I'm gonna die in the future" etc. So sad to think about how I depressed I got.. But now I'm at medical school and am getting better after 2 years of misery and sadness! I didn't got any professional help!
i’m now in the process of dropping out of medical school, i think about this everyday and i’m giving up, i don’t see why i was soo in love with medicine anymore, maybe it was the superficials or maybe i was trying to prove my bullies and ppl wrong unconsciously but anyway i didn’t, they were right:((
Thanks, I need that. I am a trainee and i see doctors that they’re doing a lot of computer things. They don’t look at me even when i ask something. I will be intern after 5 months and i have a lot of fear about that. That’s not i wanted to be. I wanted to be a researcher and a doctor that have another hobbies. There is no time for hobbies. I started to feel bad even when i play games. I just ask myself ‘Your chosen way is not this, just be a doctor and study.’ What if i think to die at intership when i see computer writings, professors rebuking, nightshifts, to not sleep in home and USML thing (here one is different and absurd exam)
I was compelled to point out that women doctors higher rate of burn out cannot only be attributed to solely their gender. Women are greatly marginalized and oppressed in many aspects of American society causing women to have higher rates of depression/suicide in general. And now that we are seeing more women enter the medical field, we are also seeing an increase in burnout, depression, and suicide among females in this already demanding field. This is similar to how we see that African Americans have a greater risk of stroke and heart-related complications not only due to genetics but also due to the emotional and physical stress of racism in America. So it is important to note that women have higher burn out rates, it does not mean that women are somehow less able to be doctors. Women just have to deal with more stressors of sexism and the like on top of the stress of having a demanding career as a doctor/physician
They've never discussed burnout with my class in my medical school. From a medical student who just sat on his ass all day doing absolutely nothing (no energy/motivation to do anything anymore).... I realize after having watched this video that I have this "burnout" phenomenon. Interesting how doing things I feel "dirty" doing (because I enjoy them but feel I am supposed to be studying all the time, especially after I failed a class and had to remediate it which is now an ugly spot on my record) could actually help me do better in school.
In my opinion institutions place majority of the responsibility of preventing burnout on the the individual provider. The focus on what you as the individual needs to do to prevent or treat burnout when really it’s a systemic problem with the way medicine is practiced in the United States
I’ve wondered before hearing that statistic if Drs are just more successful at committing suicide compared to lawyers or someone else. We know the body, how to keep it alive, and therefore can understand how to do the opposite? I saw several failed attempts at suicide as an EMT, showing that people can often not ‘reach their goal’ and just have serious injuries. Now I’m in med school with a different perspective to reflect on this. This wasn’t meant to be a dark comment!! Great vid :)
I am in final year of medical and completely burnt out . I have finals in few weeks and I can’t bring myself to study and keep procrastinating. Its horrible. Years and years I have stretched myself thin for this and when I am finally at the threshold I cannot move along because of burn out. Im so scared that all my hard-work of these years is going to vain because of the very bad months I have had. I just don’t know what to do. No. I know what to do l just cant do it.
Why don't doctors unionize? Get loud. For a bunch of smart people, I'm surprised at how helpless as a whole doctors seem. Stop letting hospital administrators call the shots. Wtf.
Please give me some words I should hear. I’m a radiology student. 2 years of core courses, now in my 2nd of 5 semesters. It’s 5 days a week and I’m burnt out, I don’t know what to do. I work on the weekends at a hospital too. It all feels like a chore, especially Clinicals. I honestly hate getting up everyday to study. What do I do?
I would say that the main factor of burning out is to depend on people of badwill. If things that must progress to the good don't, or goes into the wrong direction, it means that your activities are not respected, not fruitfull, not rewarding etc => that's burning out. Throwing a rod.
Hello Dr Jubbal, I'm in my second year of a three-years Microbiology program towards a Bachelors degree. It has been quite stressful so far, achieving the grades and everything, and often found myself close to giving up but my love for Medicine kept me going. I would like to know, do you recommend taking a GAP year after my Bachelor before applying for med school? In order to take a step back, refocus, strengthen my application (take time to effectively study for the MCAT; do some medical shadowing in other countries; write strong personal essays; do some volunteer work etc..)? Thank you for your time! I love your vids, great job!
This is what i am worried about when i get to medicine. What i've learned while i was studying my nmat was don't stressed out, we need to find balance in studying and rest time. 'Cause our brains are tired too and cannot retain the information we studied so we need to take the time to rest and do something enjoyable.
In India, this has become a really grave issue. Combined poor hospital security and lack of patient's understanding on triage, hospital environment for medical residents and interns has become even more hazardous. Residents and interns often get thrashed by patients' relatives, especially in emergency rooms and outside ICU's, and for some odd reason they get away with it too.
Recertification was a Real MOTHER for us IM physicians! They have finally reformed it. We NEVER used to have to do that in the first place! And, the stuff they ask us has little to do with the day-to-day practice. But, the Number ONE problem is with the EHR! I support Health Reform but Meaningful Use came in as a rider. With Medicaid HMOs, we need to write the notes the way They want us to write them, or we don't get paid.
Partly it's necessary, there is a ton of material to study and things to learn no matter how you turn it. But there's also in my experience not a lot of flexibility in making your own schedule or taking a day off, as well as an everpresent mentality of "if you're not perfect you're gonna be a failure" that gets to you after a while
Currently a pre nursing student and the sheer stress of it is physically, mentally emotionally exhausting. This video came at the RIGHT time and I fully agree this is a systemic problem. As humans we need TLC but as future professionals out here learning to save lives we need A ton of TLC, sleep, food , understanding and compassion. To those who have made ugly comments about doctors not deserving to not be a doctor if they can't handle it -- y'all better watch it. Karma is a bitch! The same doctor you've disrespected will be one you'll need to save YOU or YOUR loved one. Ijs.
I’ve heard mindfulness based stress reduction (MBSR) can help with stress, but that’s only one variable that could help. It helped me calm down during a stressful peak but it takes time and practice to implement which might not be realistic in the demands of a healthcare environment and everyone is different so it may have varied results. Thanks for the video and help!
Hello,dr Kevin J. I’m studying for ck according to your recommendations.i hope I will succeed.how much time do u recommend to spent to review a block of 40 qs on average to be efficient and productive.Thank you.
It bothers me very much when i see people entering the medical field for the wrong reason. Im a first year medical student and i cannot tell you how SATURATED it is with people ( especially men ) who are in no way empathetic to people/patients and instead always talk about how they went for MD because they want to be their own boss or to make a good amount of money, firstly that type of thinking is what causes elitism and hierarchical discrimination against nurses, NP’s, and PA’s. I DESPISE students and attendings who went into medicine to fulfill an ego problem, ANYBODY who is a disciplined student or who is genuinely smart can push through medical school no problem HOWEVER NOT everyone can be a doctor. Doctors who go into medicine for the wrong reasons or who lack introspection always burn out first and always lose their empathic ability once they REALLY experience what its like to work with REAL patients and REAL diseases and not just simulation/standardized patients. The people who need to be going into the medical field should not just be the ones with a 3.8-4.0 GPA but the ones who are actually empathetic in their nature and are passionate about people not just diagnoses/treating/ or the science aspect of it. I wish medical school admission interviews would weed out more people who just have good scores because that is not a measure of whether or not they will become a empathetic doctor.
Not sure what program you're at. Students who were going into medicine for the wrong reasons were a small minority at my school. Regardless, do you have any supporting evidence that those who went into it for reasons A or B are more likely to burn out? Be careful, being super self-righteous and judgmental is just as destructive and harmful to colleagues and patients.
Med School Insiders it’s a given that if you do any job/career for the wrong reasons its not going to be fulfilling and you will get burntout/bored. Also I’m not priding myself on being empathetic because i never gave emphasis or clue that i was. Im acknowledging how usually male doctors (obviously not all) are apathetic and also apprehensive to even admit they’re burnt out which is why the statistics that women seem more prone to burn out are not completely accurate. When a doctor/student/resident is burnt out it shows in their demeanor and tone when talking with patients standardized or not. those arent my feelings but actual anecdotes from articles to YT videos of doctors talking about having patients who are doctors that express those feelings. As a general rule for anybody that wants to go into medicine I think detaching yourself from your ego is the first step to actually becoming a decent doctor. Obviously other factors play a role in doctors being burnt out like the bureaucratic aspect of being an MD or the emotional stress of dealing with terminally ill patients and their expectations of you to be perfect and all-knowing but I’m specifically bringing light to the doctors who regret becoming one and became one for the wrong reasons. Introspection is a useful and free tool (And im @ harvards medical school to answer your first question)
Med School Insiders also being judgmental is not equatable to being judicious for the right reasons. There are obviously standards to being a doctor, empathy being one of them
It also goes without saying that there are actual studies that surgical professions are more likely to harbor people with mild to moderate psychopathic personality traits; lack of empathy, but obviously thats a statement which is multifactorial in its justification
Med School Insiders also i love your channel and the mass of information/advice that your provide for free but it is somewhat proving my point when MD males have a hierarchical almost patronizing way of thinking when it comes to talking about everyone in healthcare that is “below” them, for example your video on doctors of osteopathy comment section was getting flamed for your verbiage and tone you had describing D.Os
I’m in highschool and I’m doing all advanced classes because I feel like that’s my level but after first semester I feel like the school year is done. I really don’t think I’m going to do this semester. I have so many important classes but my brain is on hiatus
And between the doctors, psychiatry has the most suicide rates. Because they know which drug kills and what dosage. I’m last year med student(we call them interns in my country) and it is impossible not to burnout. And it doesnt get better after med school too… I need serious help figuring out what i should do to not feel as tired as my classmates, all of them seeming to do better than me. Any advices???
I think part of the issue is that we are in an environment of everyone around us being 'burnt out'. If everyone you work with, and every person you talk to tells you that everything is absolutely shit, then you are going to think everything is shit. As a society I feel we have lost the ability to engross ourselves in our hobbies and our vocation. In medicine we have the privilege to treat patients pain and suffering and be their guide through some of their most difficult days. That's an honor. I am grateful for this every day. But I think the main issue is probably a societal issue. We have moved away from a culture where being passionate about your art and advocating for science has been replaced by apocryphal statements. We have also moved from a culture of care and group responsibility, to one of individualism. This has been mirrored in medicine with the loss of 'the firm', and the loss of the autonomy of the medical profession and its replacement with bureaucratic systems. Social media likely has a large part to play in this also, making sure we can not keep concentration for long enough. No one owes us anything, but at the same time we owe a responsibility to all those around us and our future clinicians. Passion is important, we should not be afraid to be passionate.
I’m really scared sometimes I feel like I can’t remember anything I study and we don’t get much to practice with patients and I feel like I don’t know what I‘m doing. Some of my friends get gets merits and distinctions but I can barely concentrate everything is just so stressful. I try to do my best my it’s never enough I wish I had something to me passionate about god I feel so stressed sometime
The whole system is screwed up. How is one supposed to learn at such a fast pace material that they will need to remember for the REST of their career?
I’m in healthcare and I don’t think learning is the problem it’s the bureaucracy and lower reimbursements for procedures. It’s become quantity over quality. I love to learn but patient encounters have really changed in my 20 years of practice
I'm having a burnout as a second year medical student,i gave up on my hobbie of singing to have more time to study... But i need to learn how to deal with that,because i have a long and stresfull(and beautiful) career ahead of me and i miss singing😔
Dr j this is extremely helpful and I'm glad someone is talking about it. I'm only a pre med and the way I've observed how bad I am at dealing with stress I'm afraid how will I survive in med school or let alone residency. Ive been under constant stress and in depression from last 3 years and no matter how hard I try I feel like I just can not get out of it. All the things you mentioned. Because of personal reasons I can't get professional help.. At least not this year. As for taking to friends and family I'm nit someone who likes to openly talk about 'me'. Some close friends do know but that's as far as I can go. I'm again going to try to get back to having a healthy routine and see if this time it helps me out or not. As for you... Do you think it'll be a huge problem for me in med school? (if somehow I got in one) This has been interfering with my studies for ages it'll be amazing if you make a video on how you study under pressure. Thanks for the video as always :)
Do u have access to a school guidance counselor? When i was in undergrad we had free counseling services at least. Im in grad school now and just talking to themhave made me feel a lot better.
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You said at 0:15 roughly that for a fact, physician suicide is higher than any other professions which is entirely untrue! I can't find a single statistic backing up your data.
My uncle, who was a very successful optometrist, told me that the single biggest thing to prevent/alleviate burnout is to have a hobby you are EXTREMELY passionate about outside of medicine. Meaning something you do almost every day (even if you work 100 hours a week), or something arduous. For example, my uncle ran a business flying private jets. His best friend was a near professional level musician. It’s not just playing tennis once a week, it’s playing four times a week and training for it.
I’m only a med student so I’m not as busy as many residents but I devote A LOT of time to my individual hobbies. Discipline is so important even when you’re having fun
Tada_ imo it’s better to stay away from screens when you can. I spend enough time looking at screens for studying. Saturday/Sunday is really the only time when I use technology for leisure and I actually feel much better than I did in hs/college
My uncle who is a psychiatrist and has helped me throuhg my medical residence says exactly the same, so no now your comment is supported by experts too; and as a medical resident I can tell you that by doing a hobby that you are very passionate about you actually can reduce stress and have the time of your life even while doing a medical residence (even one that requires you to work 100h per week at it).
Hahaha silly Colin, *doctors don't have a life outside of medicine*
i practice wasting time on panicking every day, about assignments i dont want to do
im in med school too, what hobbies can i pick up? i've tried before and haven't found anything
Med schools administrators must be saying "Nothing a mandatory wellness lecture can't fix"
I’m not even a med student but these videos are always insightful. I’m also worried for my cousin who is currently studying for her MCAT. I always ask her to hang out whenever she’s free bc I know she has lost a lot of friends putting school and extra curriculars first.
The day I took my MCAT I woke up early, took the 8 hour test, and left thinking "it's over, now what?" I then drove home (alone) reflecting on all the time I'd spent not just studying for this test but being a premed and having no leisure time whatsoever.
Before I got home, I stopped at Fareway (a small grocery store), got a cookie dough icecream, drove my car to the parking lot behind the store, which was near a cornfield, and spent ten minutes or so eating the icecream and staring at the clear blue sky above the cornfield.
A lot went through my mind while eating the ice cream. I first thought about the countless hours I spent studying for a test which might not even have gone so well (and will it even matter considering my trash gpa?), but after I was done thinking about the test, I just thought about how it was such a nice day, and I had to no one to enjoy it with. I then finished eating, threw the icecream in a dumpster behind the grocery store, drove home, and started planning my senior year of college which started the following week.
I'm now a first year graduate student who spends pretty much all day in a research lab. I got accepted into med school a few months ago. Was all the hard work worth it? I don't know, but I know I want to become a doctor.
Long story short, medicine is a long, lonely road.
@@thefenerbahcesk4156 Thank you for your story. Trust me, your words don't fall on ignorant ears. I know all-too-well what that pain has been like while on my pre-med journey as well
@@thefenerbahcesk4156 sounds like a sad life tbh. I hope you do something that makes you happy.
I am a gamer and medical student at the same time. I highly value my free time, because when I can dedicate some of my time towards things I love (video games, books, and movies), I can perform at my best. In two short years, I will become a doctor, and oh boy, I am in for a lot of pain. Hospitals in Serbia are undermanned and underequipped, and complaining about depression and burnout is here considered as weakness. There are a lot of my colleagues (myself included) and professional doctors being burned out. Some of them even left practicing medicine in order to prevent suicide. Something has to be done. Increasing salaries and the supply of doctors can be costly, but hey, doctors are the ones who hold many lives in their hands, and should be treated as such!
Good luck brother, gamer myself as well
Situation is same in Croatia unfortunately. In what residency are you interested?
sorry brother i am 12
Hi! Just out of curiosity- are medical schools free/public in your country? Ps: really sorry to hear that, I hope things get better
Never give up man 👊👊👊
As a med student, I like to distract myself from all the stress by drawing, petting my cats and taking care of my plants. It helps me cope.
It's awesome how even with almost half a million subscribers you're still very active with responding to individual comments in the comments section.
Interesting thought. You note that women seek professional help for burnout more then men (31% vs 24%) could this discrepancy be a factor is why burnout is more reported in women. In other words, could the rates of burnout between the genders actually be closer but women report it more than men?
Could be. There are still many men who grow up to believe they have to "suck it up" whenever they come across a problem, or that they're weak if they need help enough to seek it out. It's really twisted, when you think about it. Women have faced many other problems throughout history, but a common theme is that they've been expected to be "weak" and so it's been more socially acceptable of them to conform to this and admit their problems (but they aren't weak for admitting problems and seeking help to fix that problem - it never is, for anyone!).
@@englahimla9451 true. Also our extra hormones also play a big part
@@maymayy1208 Yeah, there's that too! Forgot about that in my comment. It's really interesting how the main cause of the burnout is very different between women and men, too - I'd really like more studies into that and why it could be so!
Thinking about it, women probably experience more burn out because:
1 we generally tend to be more in-tune and expressive with our emotions so this probably connects to said discrepancy
2 we also saw in that family and relationships were a primary factor in burn out for women and this is likely due to women feeling guilty for neglecting their family to focus more on work. For example the traditional expectation for mothers to take on more responsibility for raising children can make them feel guilty for either neglecting their job or neglecting their children. Additionally the added stress and responsibility that comes with raising children likely leads to faster burn out. In my experience (as a female who knows other females) guilt is one of the most prevalent and motivating emotions for many women and feeling like you're not doing enough for anyone seems to be a factor in burn out.
@@englahimla9451 I don't think the divergent rates of seeking professional help are responsible for the discrepancy between men and women's risk of burnout. I'm pretty sure these data are based on representative surveys, so they ask everyone about the symptoms and then look at the numbers - it's not a survey to help-seekers. So there probably is a genuine gender burnout gap, but I don't really know why. Women do seem to care more strongly about relationships/children on average, so they might feel more responsibility for that (while finances were the biggest contributor for men).
I do think that the fact that men are less likely to seek help is partly influenced by norms that expect strength and self-control from men. That's unfortunately true. Don't forget the stigma on mental illness as well, which doesn't help either (and goes for both sexes).
Burnout isn’t necessarily physical exhaustion. Burnout is when you become bored and dispassionate with everything around you.
Think of the times you were motivated and productive : you were probably working a lot more that you were at the time of burnout.
Burnout comes when you lose faith in what you’re doing, you become disillusioned and bitter and resentful. You feel exhausted just thinking about everything you have to do. Why ?
You are probably putting in hours of hard work, but aren’t seeing clear benefits/results. Personally, I’ve always wanted to be a doctor because of the type of people doctors were : smart, hard working, productive, empathetic. They were everything I wanted to be. I didn’t mind studying and putting in the effort to be productive and efficient, because all my actions were vouching for this identity, and that was tremendously exciting.
Then reality came crashing down. I realized most doctors around me were awful : anti-social, narcissistic, sleep-deprived, too absorbed in their own self- improvement to be genuinely empathetic.
I was unlucky, maybe doctors aren’t like this in other parts of the world. THIS wasn’t who I wanted to become. So I started slacking off. I was top of my class for so long, so this came as a shock for me. But they disgusted me, all I could think of when studying was the type of person I was going to become. I was sacrificing so much and for what? To become something I didn’t believe in.
If you are burned out, you are probably putting in more than you are getting. If the reward seems worth it, trust me when I say you won’t even notice when you work your ass off.
When you are burned out, turning to your family for support isn’t exactly going to help because they couldn’t possibly understand what you’re going through (unless you have doctors in your family).
Females experience more burnout than males because there is more pressure on women to excel at different things. Trying to remain at the top of your field, being socially and emotionally available when your family/friends need you, the stress of being attractive enough to get married before it’s too late to get children (men don’t have to visually look good to attract women *sigh*), raising said children, cleaning and cooking and working hard in the hospital and more.... All this and men still get better pay and more respect. Sounds superficial, but if we women could just brush these things off and ignore all the expectations that come with our sex, trust me, we gladly would. We end up being stuck between family and friends that find us “too studious, not feminine enough, not socially engaged enough” and medical peers that find us “not focused enough, not career driven enough, not ambitious enough”. Yeah, you try juggling 5 thousand things at once.
I can’t believe females being more burned out than males comes as a surprise. Really shows how self-absorbed some men really are.
If being a doctor is difficult, then being a female doctor is even more challenging. A woman CAN choose to exclusively focus on her career...which leads to loneliness, and back to disillusionment (no one wants to spend the rest of their lives with a woman who won’t be available to raise kids herself, but somehow a man who works hard at his job and is absent is just trying to earn money for his family. You know, because women can’t be possibly doing that as well.) Many women put off surgery not for a lack of qualification, but because the hectic lifestyle it demands can’t mesh with outside responsibilities and expectations.
There comes a time when you ask yourself : is it worth all the sacrifice? Working in a world driven by narcissistic men who have less responsibilities and get more respect than you do?
That, my friends, leads to burnout.
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It doesn't matter what doctors you saw being jerks and everything . You is you . You don't necessarily have to change to a jerk when you work hard and put a lot of effort in everything you do . I mean if you see the people in my country . Oh boy . Everyone thinks that they know everything . And if you try to correct someone above you they will either ignore or make fun of you . I know what it is but i don't fucking care . I will achieve my dreams no matter what stereotypes they put on it . No matter how many hours i have to spend studying my ass off . I just want to achieve it , even though it's almost impossible .
Wow. This speaks to me on so many level. How male still got preferred in everything makes me frustrated.
just lol. I really appreciate your effort in wirting your perspective down on burnout. But I also have to correct you by redefining some issues your mind / perception created. First, please don't have a look on other doctors, which are superficial. If they get so by working their asses off, that doesnt mean that you will become as same. That doesnt even make sense.
The next illusion is this one: " the stress of being attractive enough to get married before it’s too late to get children (men don’t have to visually look good to attract women *sigh" I mean, what? Ok, it's true that woman only have a time span to be the most attractive and get married for having also children. Men have a bit more time on that, yes. But "men don’t have to visually look good to attract women *sigh" is false, no matter from which view. Men need to be visually more attractive than woman. Just think about this. Woman are the selective gender, their evolutionary job is to select more than 80% out. So a woman can just look average and marry a more better looking men by creating emotional content with him. The other way, men can't do that when average looking to a woman, who looks above average (in all most cases). That's nothing more than evolutionary psychology, that being said.
The third thing is: "All this and men still get better pay and more respect". Nope. Not true. Not even a bit. Woman get paid the same amount as men, if - and only if - we need to be honest here - they do the *same* work. The thing why many woman get less paid is, bc men in same positions do create more content. And if so, they get paid higher. But if a woman does the same amount of work, she gets paid as high as men, obviously.
Nothing wrong with being wrong here Miss, I only liked to show you some perceptual errors your mind was thinking off. All in one, woman also a heavy burden to bear.
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Oh honey.
I would like to remind you that the comment reflects MY experience with burnout. You have the right to offer your perspective, but you CANNOT dismiss mine. You’re lucky enough to be surrounded by great doctors ? PROPS TO YOU, I envy you.
First, of course the type of people you’re around with 12 hours a day will affect your self-identity. Especially if they value things and have principles that differ significantly from yours. You WILL feel emotionally exhausted and ultimately burnt out.
Now, I really hate generalizing, but fact remains that the MAJORITY of doctors I’m surrounded with are very selfish & are in it for the “status”, “money”, “parents”; because they feel like their intelligence will help them climb some dumb social ladder. That’s the way things are where I live. Humble doctors really aren’t a thing.
“But they deserve this”. I really don’t care how hard you work or how intelligent you are, if you don’t genuinely feel like you are using your intelligence to help other people (before yourself) then you don’t deserve to be here. Medicine is before anything else a SERVICE sector job. You’re intelligent, have a knack for science and want to prove yourself but aren’t really a people’s person? There are a ton of other jobs for that, which will require a lot less effort and give a lot more money. Dr Jubbal gave up 7 YEARS OF MED SCHOOL and a plastic surgery residency so he could help people in a way that he thought was more beneficial & inspiring. If that doesn’t show what a great doctor he would’ve been, idk what will.
Second, it’s people like you who completely shrug off unequal pay with “men offer more content, that’s why they get payed more” that make me wonder if education really does make a difference...?? if only it were that simple?? The only place in the world where wages are 99% not sex-dependent is France & some other European countries. 17 years spent in the french educational system DOES teach you a thing or two about how things ought to be. Idk where you live, but where I’m from women are equally - if not more - hard working than men (especially if it’s to prove it to ignorants like you!).
Let’s say you ARE right in your assumption that men offer more content than women (lol). Rest assured that the only thing keeping these women from giving their 100% are outside expectations/responsibilities that are promulgated by society (which include other women!!). Come back with your arguments when you’re expected to carry another human being in you for 9 months, raise that human properly , repeat that 1-2 more times and still managed to give 100% of yourself to your career.
Also, I highly doubt the average man is willing to marry a woman with higher social standing and has the patience to play housewife and stay at home/care for kids while his surgeon wife is running in and out of the OR (if you know one, please do share). Only option is to marry other fellow doctors/scientist (forget family time at home!). A male doctor can easily marry any woman he wants to (women will be lining up at the prospect of marrying a doctor. Sad to say I can’t guarantee the opposite is true).
If you live somewhere where women and men - even better if they’re of different race - are treated 100% equally and are both hard working, then good on you my friend. Please do recognize that the rest of the world isn’t as fortunate.
I realized just now that I've been binge-watching your videos to torment myself over having burned out. Bad family history, a ridiculously long list of medical problems, and the resulting mental health problems have caused my GPA to suffer. Last semester I got straight As again like I used to but I'll never get it to 3.6 even if I get max grades in everything until graduation. I feel like my failure is my fault, but I suppose I didn't ask my parents to psychologically and physically torture me ever since I can remember. I also didn't ask my body to develop autoimmune hepatitis and the mysterious pain, fatigue, and 'brain fog' that came with it. Watching Med School Insiders, I realized that a past I couldn't control really will be held against me to the fullest extent. The system really is as callous and bureaucratic as I had suspected.
Ever since I was a child, I have known suffering. It has been my highest ambition to decrease suffering in others by becoming a physician, even if I have to sacrifice what remains of my health in the process. Doctors have been of little help to me, usually catching things based on blood tests I explicitly ask for. I'm a hard case, presenting with no acute symptoms most of the time, so they prefer to dismiss me. I want to be the physician who makes all the difference in someone like me and helps them live the life of someone who is not prematurely old.
Surely pushing medical students to the point of suicide by holding them accountable to perfection is antithetical to the goal of producing caring physicians.
Try Niacin ( non flush) and Vitamin D.
They made a huge difference for me
I can't say I understand what you are going through. But know that many things that happen to us can be out of our control. What has gotten me through life is Jesus. The gospel. your life matters and what you choose to do with it matters as well. Unlike what many say we are not JUST a bunch of cells put together by chance. It is because of Jesus Christ and his sacrifice that I am here right now. It was the son of God dying for my sins that I am still standing. - all with love
God can help
Omg god bless your soul you truly have been going through a lot.. trust me your words moved me and you have inspired me to continue my path even thought it is really hard and stressful .. please be safe and take care of yourself~
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Deprived of sleep, high workload, low salaries and several responsibilities
Man, you're making me doubt my decision to start Medical school this year.
When i interviewed for med school we were asked what concerns us most in medicine and i said physician burnout. Its something that you definitely have to consider but if you are prone to succumbing to anxiety/depression i recommend getting a psycholost or school counselor to talk to. They have made worlds of difference for me.
@@kaitlynkilpatrick36 for me, when i talk to psychologist and counsellors, they make me feel even more helpless like i have no hope of getting them to listen to me. they just tell me to get good or face the consequences (kicked out).
@@Zetsuke4 then youre seeing bad docs. Im sorry you had that experience. Mine have always tried to good me tools to do better every time
Don't do it. Not worth it. No joy in "saving people" when you can't even save yourself. I am just starting my third year of medical school and regret the decision to have done so all day every day instead of sticking with with my dream of living homeless in Hawaii near the beach and surfing every day (which I actually did do for a few months before medical school).
@@shawnreed7876 thats funny because I actually did that. Became homeless and lived in Hawaii and body board often. It was great/ awesome. But I stopped enjoying it after 5 years. The sun the sky the weather stopped being beautiful amd was just meh. Because its so beautiful year rounf compared to where you come from. You get used to it. And after a few years it just becomes another day. I realized I stopped enjoying it becausd I wasnt doing anything with my life. I moved back home. I got into the medical field and I actually feel happier now even though work is hard. I feel accomplished and working toward an actual goal in my life. Hawaii will always be there. I can aleays go back and visit. And besides because of Covid all the beaches are closed now.
That's so sad and we need medical doctors, i will learn on how to appreciate my doctor
I am burnt out and this video helps a lot! Thank you so much for this.
OMG thanks so much MSI for replying, i'll do my best to take care now that I learned more about it! you're the best!
@@Zetsuke4 hmm... your.. a.....
fanboy bruh
As OBGYN resident, i aware of this. I have to performed avarage 50 operations per weeks. 50% of operations is emergency, so my sleep and free time is so limited. My phone ringer tone in the midnight is like a nightmare.
Whats done is done ... quitting medical school is important for me to recover my mental and physical health , 4 years of sever depression ended up with losing my mental capacities , i have no memory left no concentration and i weight 60 kg for 1,86 cm tall . MED SCHOOL IS HELL
How are you doing now? I start pa school in July. Hope you are doing well.
Thank you for addressing these kinds of issues rarely talked about and frowned upon when mentioned ❤️
I was in college as an engeneering major, and mostly watched this channel for the study tips that were more universaly applicable and I could use in my study. Though in the end I got hit by burn out in a major way, I began to feel like what I was doing wasn't going to pay off, I wasn't good enough, I had gone through high school eisily without having to spend much time on study etc, and wasn't well adapted to the loss of free time for one thing and that was largly what I had needed in the past to stay functioning. I also wasn't attractive at all to girls and no matter how much I tried to push the issue out of my mind I just couldn't get away from it, I had never been in a relationship, and just wasn't good enough do deserve to be loved by anyone, and had trouble making friends and what friendships I had wern't much worth it. I had always been rather lonely but largely like I said with my free time I could keep the worst of it at bay, but couple that with not being effective at studying, not being good at remembering what I needed to learn and just in general not doing well with such huge tests with no steady class work or grades to balance poor tests, or prepare. Also I grew up very poor and was poor in college as well all of this causing more stress. And yeah being so... so lonely... trying to improve myself is just so pointless when you know you're not good enough for anyone and anything you try to do doesn't change anything. Plus my family wasn't terribly supportive, and I felt like I had to be doing more for them. And in the end the stress was just to much and I learned I just wasn't good enough, or smart enough to be and engineer. Then I spiraled into a huge depression and then instead of just failing calc II I began to fail all my classes and eventually just locked myself in my room for over a week, no one even noticed or cared and I just thought all that time about suicide. failing my classes also meant I lost all scolarship and grant money. So I would no longer be able to even afford college. even two years after the event just steping foot in the city where my old college was at I began throwing up just from the anxiety of being in proximity to the college. I latter got a job trying to just get my life in order they ended up over working me, paying me very little. and in the end crippled my leg, and now I'm in constant pain. And nothing can be done about it. I can't get work, no charity, no help of any sort other then having a place to stay with my mother, eating sparingly as can't afford much food, and I can't exercise because of the pain, and the medical bills ruined my life and credit, and took all the money I had saved working that crappy job that got me disabled. So now I guess there isn't much else I can do but try to ride things out one day at a time or till it becomes to unbearable and just kill myself. My life is basicly over but among many other things it's basically because of burn out. My life is now irreparably ruined by it. All I can say is do you're best to avoid it. don't end up like me.
Viridian this is an old comment, but I am writing to you, because I had a friend who was in a similar difficult situation, and he did kill himself, and it still hurts me that I couldn’t do anything about it, when I know he could have been helped.
Even though I never had everything falling down on me at once like you did, I also have been through depression, I also struggled with my studies and had years when I worried a lot about rent and I know the loneliness of not having a partner. My life is much better now, after years of positive changes, partly from own effort and partly from luck.
What I want to say is that with time and small, incremental changes you can slowly walk to a better place. I know the feeling when anything positive sounds distant and empty, but it is possible to do one small good thing on a daily basis. For me it used to be a 15-20 min yoga video on TH-cam. You mention you can’t work out with that leg, but Yoga with Adriene is a great channel with hundreds of videos, and she often explains how to adjust poses for different conditions. Headspace, the meditation app also helped me a lot. Medschool Insiders has a book review about Atomic Habits, which gives ideas how to make attainable, tangible, daily changes, which add up over time. I would also like to carefully give you some hope that there still are people who are worth your attention and who would be interested in you (they are just not very social most of the time, so it’s easiest to meet them at work/through hobbies).
Stay strong, man, and take care of yourself. That’s the best thing you can do, both short and long term. I wish you the best.
Yes this issue has seriously been bothering me. Its ridiculous that their isn't much attention being given to this important issue thank you for being part of the solution!!
I'm a psychiatrist ... how can I go on while being burned out myself .. I'm literally falling apart and hiding it completely, literally hopeless
Juggling a full time job (which I can't wait to leave), school/ prepping for grad school & taking care of my family(furbabies) is challenging. School is actually my relaxation & hope. I think working in a job one hates can suck the life out of you, but also gives me a reminder to work hard for something better. I appreciate these videos, this channel helps me focus on what is important & gives encouragement.
I just finished my last online class for the day, been sitting at my desk since 7am this morning and it's now 6pm. Yet I still don't have this time for myself. I have 3 reports and 2 papers to do for tomorrow, a final exam to study for, and I also need to study for the USMLE. I'm so burnt out and tired. I feel like crying and I am lost. I live on my own in a small studio unit and have no one to talk to except for going on zoom calls with my classmates/friends to do group work together. I feel like I've wasted my life and I don't see the end of this tunnel, and even if there is, I'm not sure if it's worth it...
hope you're doing okay! you got this!
So sorry to hear that, hope things are better! Is your med school switching back to in person soon?
If your passion is to become a doctor, then it should be worth it. Take a break or talk to someone in that case. Psychologist might help as well. If not and if you have passion (not interest), but true passion for something else, then go for that. That's what I did. I quit medicine in the EU 3 years into my studies. Here, 70% of people get kicked out in their preclinical years because of the intensity. I survived but still quit because if i didn't, i would have had to undergo additional 7 years of studying to finally become a practicing physician in my field of specialization. I found myself constantly stressed out, depressed, sleep deprived, obsessed in a negative way, taking stimulants to study 10-12 hours a day with little to no breaks, living and eating like absolute trash and it started slowly ruining my health, both mentally and physically. I also lost my interest in the practice of medicine completely (but not in the science of it) At the same time i had passion for something else, something i was thinking about 24/7 since a very young age, so i left med and did that. If you have a better option and if you aren't at the end of your studies, quit while you can. Quitting is not always a sign of weakness, you don't quit, you simply redirect your energy to grow in another field, where your hard effort will be appreciated by everyone and yourself. There is immense nobility in making the right choice. As a doctor, you will be another slave worker, working for a business (medicine is a business afterall). You will work 12 hour shifts and have no time to do anything else. So think again. If that's what you want to do because you love helping people in that way and that's your only desire, then keep grinding.
@@hypercarnivorenpc1493 that happens only till resisdency .as consultant you dont spend 12hour.also i wanna be the doc that goes from one hospital to another to perform surgeries and then done with it.i think there a term for those guys.
also i have also told my family if i dont get the line which i want i will just quit.i in this field for money than stupid reason of helping people.line i want is orthopedics.wasy,non emergency line.if i cant get it.fuck doctrote.the degree is overrated itself
Registered Nursing students suffer from serious burn out too! Thanks for the video. 🙂
So true!
My cousin is a BSN, RN she went through a lot while studying and now she is working so much it's crazy! She just worked 9 12 hour shifts in a row 😳.
Another fantastic video!! This is something I’m extremely passionate about, and I’m so glad you touched on it in great detail. LOVE your channel.
I’m already burned out and I just finished the pre-med curriculum... but I don’t want to give up on this.
Sounds like me when I was in your shoes. -An extremely jaded third year medical student.
@@shawnreed7876 how are you now? I start pa school in July
@@yowhattupitzbigchungus4971 I took a year off after medical school because I was over it. Now I will be starting an Emergency medicine residency in June
@@shawnreed7876 good luck ! And know that you are not alone in feeling jaded. Hope you find a great support group.
Back again with another amazing vid!
i really needed this as a veterinary student...there is nothing more sad than wanting to study and work this job ur whole life and now being miserable and feeling like you dont do enough or u wont be able to accomplish so many tasks when u begin to work
Thanks for the vids fam! I found out 2 days ago I’ve been accepted into med school! ☺️
Med School Insiders thanks! Your videos have helped a lot and I’ll be sure to continue watching while I’m in med school!
I’ve experienced/suffered from burn out. Horrible thing to go through. It’s tricky to notice the ship sinking... rock bottom is the wake up call. Took me a few years to get back on track.
really high quality video!
The problem is in medicine we are constantly being told what to do, when to do it, and how to do it. I spend 30-40 minutes a day doing paperwork per patient. I finish seeing patients between 5-5:30 but stay in the office till 10-11 finishing up notes, submitting authorizations for surgeries or medications etc. I also have to waste my office staff time to submit outrageous amount of charts for medical review which puts stress on my staff as well. On top of that I have to constantly submit documentation in order to get paid for my services. So yes I’m burned out and yes I’m looking to leave medicine for good. But the problem is that a medical degree is a very limited degree. Outside of medicine the only thing my medical degree is good for is teaching, research, or joining board of an insurance or pharma. But even those jobs are far and few between. All I can do is hold on to my sanity long enough to be able to retire when I’m 65 which is another 15 years away and move out of the country where my retirement will go further. So you can do everything under the sun to try to reduce your stress but these things I mentioned we have no control over and they only get worse.
where would you move to?
geddon436 there are a lot of options out there. It depends on if you speak any other language. If you do I suggest a country that speaks your language. If not, then perhaps it’s time to learn a new language!
The options include some countries South America and Central America. Some Asian countries. Some European and Baltic countries as well. If you can tell me a bit about yourself and any languages you speak I may be able to give you some information that I’ve gathered in my research.
Onyx 2020 I know. Unfortunately medicine has been high jacked by the government and insurance companies. We no longer practice medicine but practice what the insurance companies tell us is right for the patient. People that have no knowledge of medicine are making decisions as to approve or disapprove treatments. Might as well get rid of doctors and have patients call the insurance companies and tell them their symptoms and have them tell them what to take and what to do. Doctors have become nothing but the middle man with all the liability. When things go wrong we are the ones sued and at fault because we didn’t prescribe the proper treatment even though it was rejected by the insurance. We have the government telling us what treatments are allowed and which are disallowed. On top of all that, they constantly cut our reimbursement while increasing the number of paperwork that we need to do. They give us unrealistic goals and expectations to meet or we get penalized in our pay. It’s not getting any better and will only get worse. I feel bad for those who are in medical school, or about to enter or considering medicine for their future. All they will get is a student loan of $300,000+ with nothing to show and a life time to pay for it.
@@WWTormentor i only speak english. i dont think i could move to another country yet because i don't make much money, and i am trying to return to college.
There's a blog somewhere where a doctor says he envied the homeless because they had very few things to worry about, unlike doctors, who have hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt and on top of that, add the stresses of the job.
What an amazing video! ♥️ Thank you! I've been feeling like this for several months now and I thought it was due to my own personal faults. Now I can give myself a chance to really solve the issue so I can keep helping people! Thanks again 🌼
Excellent video. The only thing I would like to point out in the quote concerning the burnout rates being higher in "surgical specialties- like general surgery and ortho, and urgent specialties like anesthesia and OBGYN..." is that OBGYN is in fact a surgical specialty.
The field of medicine you enter can be a significant contributor to whether or not you experience burnout. I was split between going into psychiatry or neurology, and it was primarily the burnout factor that informed my decision to enter psychiatry. Every neurologist I personally rotated with looked miserable and/or stated as much to me. Additionally, national polling (particularly from Medscape) on burnout trends by field showed that neurologists had the highest rates of burnout among all specialities and the lowest work satisfaction as well, while psychiatry had the opposite data. As well, psychiatry residency is objectively less stressful because there’s no stroke calls, which I was told numerous times make the residency experience in neurology hell. More and more young doctors are done with the bullshit “medicine is your life” mantra of old, and are not accepting terrible work schedules filled with stress, inadequate sleep, and unreasonable demands. We wants fulfilling lives outside of work AND fulfilling work. The two are not mutually exclusive, but for too long the job of being a doctor has treated them as such. But to reiterate my initial point: pick a field of medicine that treats you like a human during and after training; a field with good work-life balance. For me, that was psychiatry. There are other fields that allow you to achieve this, and quite a few that unfortunately don’t. One more plug for psychiatry: psych residencies often DO care about how’re you’re doing and your feelings of burnout, and make WAY more efforts to address this than most other residency programs.
that’s really interesting because over here in the uk the riskiest specialties for burnout and Suicide would be psychiatry (under resources and empathy drain), family medicine/primary care (work rate, empathy drain/ lack of resources, under appreciated, lots of politics etc) and anaesthetics (access to lethal drugs).
Time currently in college and not studying medicine but I still love this information cuz it's very good for me I'm also suffered some sort of degree of there now. I'm going to use this information thank you Doctor Jabo I love you information is a very very very useful thank you
Starting Med school this July!
Good for you good luck!😀😁
Good luck man and welcome aboard 😁 don't burnout, have a hobby, and enjoy it while it lasts.
@@alphacentauri5407 Thanks. I'm really nervous, cause Medical School is going to be a beast like no other.
Brace yourself!
Good luck
I just interviewed a doctor about this yesterday 😂. This is a great breakdown!
Whats so funny? Ur so insensitve. Stop trying to just get likes and have ppl watch ur shitty channel! Grow up!
Amanda L. why are u mad
@@amandal.1422 relax...
I like your style of presentation dude. Thumbs up keep going.
Thank you for sharing this, Med Insiders! Means a lot. 💗💗💗
great work, it is really important topic and I am so grateful that somebody finally is talking about it!
Amazing video! Thank you for sharing I have started to feel slightly burnt out and I’m going to take your advice seriously and advocate for the cause! :)
This is one of the reasons why I quit Medicine after two years and start dentistry next September as I think it will bring me more pleasure in life.
Really? ....lol
Dentist have high suicide rates as well. Hope it goes well though.❤
meet the new boss, same as the old boss
Gotta love Kevin this man is working hard for all of our doctors 😭
Another factor to think about is social media. Watching your friends develop careers and families while your still in school and working on compounding debt probably does not help.
I had severe burn out in the last year of my school, followed by depression. I didn't see any sense in studying anymore and I was like "why should I study or why should I do X if I'm gonna die in the future" etc. So sad to think about how I depressed I got.. But now I'm at medical school and am getting better after 2 years of misery and sadness! I didn't got any professional help!
How did you over come this?
i’m now in the process of dropping out of medical school, i think about this everyday and i’m giving up, i don’t see why i was soo in love with medicine anymore, maybe it was the superficials or maybe i was trying to prove my bullies and ppl wrong unconsciously but anyway i didn’t, they were right:((
Thanks, I need that. I am a trainee and i see doctors that they’re doing a lot of computer things. They don’t look at me even when i ask something. I will be intern after 5 months and i have a lot of fear about that. That’s not i wanted to be. I wanted to be a researcher and a doctor that have another hobbies. There is no time for hobbies. I started to feel bad even when i play games. I just ask myself ‘Your chosen way is not this, just be a doctor and study.’ What if i think to die at intership when i see computer writings, professors rebuking, nightshifts, to not sleep in home and USML thing (here one is different and absurd exam)
thanks for spreading the word man. I am also struggling.
I love ur videos Dr.Jabal!!! They are always so helpful thank youuuu! I will deff try to get more sleep and add exercise
So excited to see a video from MSI on this! Great as always; very informative and helpful
Thank you for this video and the info. I had posted a question about burnout and am currently struggling to recover from it. Thank you so much.
This guy gets statistics 👌🏾
Omg, thank you so much. I really needed this! Keep up the good work doctor!! Love and support from Thailand 😁
I was compelled to point out that women doctors higher rate of burn out cannot only be attributed to solely their gender. Women are greatly marginalized and oppressed in many aspects of American society causing women to have higher rates of depression/suicide in general. And now that we are seeing more women enter the medical field, we are also seeing an increase in burnout, depression, and suicide among females in this already demanding field. This is similar to how we see that African Americans have a greater risk of stroke and heart-related complications not only due to genetics but also due to the emotional and physical stress of racism in America. So it is important to note that women have higher burn out rates, it does not mean that women are somehow less able to be doctors. Women just have to deal with more stressors of sexism and the like on top of the stress of having a demanding career as a doctor/physician
They've never discussed burnout with my class in my medical school. From a medical student who just sat on his ass all day doing absolutely nothing (no energy/motivation to do anything anymore).... I realize after having watched this video that I have this "burnout" phenomenon. Interesting how doing things I feel "dirty" doing (because I enjoy them but feel I am supposed to be studying all the time, especially after I failed a class and had to remediate it which is now an ugly spot on my record) could actually help me do better in school.
Drs are under rated!!
i love how the content on this channel is geared towards people in medical positions but the info presented can be applied to anyone. great job
thinking of becoming a doctor but i don’t think my anxiety can handle it
Awesome video!
Love the animations. Great video!
Thank you so much Dr. Jubbal
Good video! Important points
In my opinion institutions place majority of the responsibility of preventing burnout on the the individual provider. The focus on what you as the individual needs to do to prevent or treat burnout when really it’s a systemic problem with the way medicine is practiced in the United States
Great work.
GREAT video!! thank you :)
I’ve wondered before hearing that statistic if Drs are just more successful at committing suicide compared to lawyers or someone else. We know the body, how to keep it alive, and therefore can understand how to do the opposite?
I saw several failed attempts at suicide as an EMT, showing that people can often not ‘reach their goal’ and just have serious injuries. Now I’m in med school with a different perspective to reflect on this. This wasn’t meant to be a dark comment!! Great vid :)
This definitely applies to nursing too!
Our society is not created for our mental well being. Our physical well being yes, but not our mental
I am in final year of medical and completely burnt out . I have finals in few weeks and I can’t bring myself to study and keep procrastinating. Its horrible. Years and years I have stretched myself thin for this and when I am finally at the threshold I cannot move along because of burn out. Im so scared that all my hard-work of these years is going to vain because of the very bad months I have had. I just don’t know what to do. No. I know what to do l just cant do it.
Why don't doctors unionize? Get loud. For a bunch of smart people, I'm surprised at how helpless as a whole doctors seem. Stop letting hospital administrators call the shots. Wtf.
Thank you doc! This is really timely for me. Keep posting more vids it really helps! 🙌🏻
Please give me some words I should hear. I’m a radiology student. 2 years of core courses, now in my 2nd of 5 semesters. It’s 5 days a week and I’m burnt out, I don’t know what to do. I work on the weekends at a hospital too. It all feels like a chore, especially Clinicals. I honestly hate getting up everyday to study. What do I do?
I would say that the main factor of burning out is to depend on people of badwill. If things that must progress to the good don't, or goes into the wrong direction, it means that your activities are not respected, not fruitfull, not rewarding etc => that's burning out. Throwing a rod.
I just got burnout by studying anatomy for 3 days straight without sleeping
And i almost failed the exam
Sorry but i laughed out loud 😆😆😆😆
Just realized, I'm still a clinical student yet I got burnout already... And it does affected my daily performance in the hospital.
What are the medical fields that are least/most likely to burnout?
Hello Dr Jubbal,
I'm in my second year of a three-years Microbiology program towards a Bachelors degree. It has been quite stressful so far, achieving the grades and everything, and often found myself close to giving up but my love for Medicine kept me going. I would like to know, do you recommend taking a GAP year after my Bachelor before applying for med school? In order to take a step back, refocus, strengthen my application (take time to effectively study for the MCAT; do some medical shadowing in other countries; write strong personal essays; do some volunteer work etc..)?
Thank you for your time! I love your vids, great job!
This is what i am worried about when i get to medicine. What i've learned while i was studying my nmat was don't stressed out, we need to find balance in studying and rest time. 'Cause our brains are tired too and cannot retain the information we studied so we need to take the time to rest and do something enjoyable.
In India we still write essays in exams to get through,it freaks me out.Don't know about examination system in your country
In Mexico its usually multiple choice questions.
In Italy it's majorly oral exams, yay to us...
@@franknstein5376 medicine should be done in Italy
@@Elizondarre yeah that's the best way to go, descriptive writing in medicine sucks
exactly...our edu system is quite frustrating tbh
In India, this has become a really grave issue. Combined poor hospital security and lack of patient's understanding on triage, hospital environment for medical residents and interns has become even more hazardous. Residents and interns often get thrashed by patients' relatives, especially in emergency rooms and outside ICU's, and for some odd reason they get away with it too.
What cause burn out for me is that
College life will surprise you in a bad way, no one really advice us that we we're really go hard in to college
Recertification was a Real MOTHER for us IM physicians! They have finally reformed it. We NEVER used to have to do that in the first place! And, the stuff they ask us has little to do with the day-to-day practice.
But, the Number ONE problem is with the EHR! I support Health Reform but Meaningful Use came in as a rider. With Medicaid HMOs, we need to write the notes the way They want us to write them, or we don't get paid.
Are residents and med students put through unnecessary stressors by their programs? Or are the stressors for the most part necessary?
niceviewer stressors are necessary
Partly it's necessary, there is a ton of material to study and things to learn no matter how you turn it. But there's also in my experience not a lot of flexibility in making your own schedule or taking a day off, as well as an everpresent mentality of "if you're not perfect you're gonna be a failure" that gets to you after a while
Currently a pre nursing student and the sheer stress of it is physically, mentally emotionally exhausting. This video came at the RIGHT time and I fully agree this is a systemic problem. As humans we need TLC but as future professionals out here learning to save lives we need A ton of TLC, sleep, food , understanding and compassion.
To those who have made ugly comments about doctors not deserving to not be a doctor if they can't handle it -- y'all better watch it. Karma is a bitch! The same doctor you've disrespected will be one you'll need to save YOU or YOUR loved one. Ijs.
I’ve heard mindfulness based stress reduction (MBSR) can help with stress, but that’s only one variable that could help. It helped me calm down during a stressful peak but it takes time and practice to implement which might not be realistic in the demands of a healthcare environment and everyone is different so it may have varied results. Thanks for the video and help!
notification squad !!!!
i refresh his channel every 10 minutes in case he uploads
This video came one day after I got a real burnout from my finals.
Which skill is suitable to learn as a medical student.
Coding and music are they okay
Hello,dr Kevin J. I’m studying for ck according to your recommendations.i hope I will succeed.how much time do u recommend to spent to review a block of 40 qs on average to be efficient and productive.Thank you.
It bothers me very much when i see people entering the medical field for the wrong reason. Im a first year medical student and i cannot tell you how SATURATED it is with people ( especially men ) who are in no way empathetic to people/patients and instead always talk about how they went for MD because they want to be their own boss or to make a good amount of money, firstly that type of thinking is what causes elitism and hierarchical discrimination against nurses, NP’s, and PA’s. I DESPISE students and attendings who went into medicine to fulfill an ego problem, ANYBODY who is a disciplined student or who is genuinely smart can push through medical school no problem HOWEVER NOT everyone can be a doctor. Doctors who go into medicine for the wrong reasons or who lack introspection always burn out first and always lose their empathic ability once they REALLY experience what its like to work with REAL patients and REAL diseases and not just simulation/standardized patients. The people who need to be going into the medical field should not just be the ones with a 3.8-4.0 GPA but the ones who are actually empathetic in their nature and are passionate about people not just diagnoses/treating/ or the science aspect of it. I wish medical school admission interviews would weed out more people who just have good scores because that is not a measure of whether or not they will become a empathetic doctor.
Not sure what program you're at. Students who were going into medicine for the wrong reasons were a small minority at my school. Regardless, do you have any supporting evidence that those who went into it for reasons A or B are more likely to burn out?
Be careful, being super self-righteous and judgmental is just as destructive and harmful to colleagues and patients.
Med School Insiders it’s a given that if you do any job/career for the wrong reasons its not going to be fulfilling and you will get burntout/bored. Also I’m not priding myself on being empathetic because i never gave emphasis or clue that i was. Im acknowledging how usually male doctors (obviously not all) are apathetic and also apprehensive to even admit they’re burnt out which is why the statistics that women seem more prone to burn out are not completely accurate. When a doctor/student/resident is burnt out it shows in their demeanor and tone when talking with patients standardized or not. those arent my feelings but actual anecdotes from articles to YT videos of doctors talking about having patients who are doctors that express those feelings. As a general rule for anybody that wants to go into medicine I think detaching yourself from your ego is the first step to actually becoming a decent doctor. Obviously other factors play a role in doctors being burnt out like the bureaucratic aspect of being an MD or the emotional stress of dealing with terminally ill patients and their expectations of you to be perfect and all-knowing but I’m specifically bringing light to the doctors who regret becoming one and became one for the wrong reasons. Introspection is a useful and free tool
(And im @ harvards medical school to answer your first question)
Med School Insiders also being judgmental is not equatable to being judicious for the right reasons. There are obviously standards to being a doctor, empathy being one of them
It also goes without saying that there are actual studies that surgical professions are more likely to harbor people with mild to moderate psychopathic personality traits; lack of empathy, but obviously thats a statement which is multifactorial in its justification
Med School Insiders also i love your channel and the mass of information/advice that your provide for free but it is somewhat proving my point when MD males have a hierarchical almost patronizing way of thinking when it comes to talking about everyone in healthcare that is “below” them, for example your video on doctors of osteopathy comment section was getting flamed for your verbiage and tone you had describing D.Os
In terms of burnout in women vs men I think it's important to acknowledge gender discrimination as a contributing factor to burnout.
Come on, come on. don't you even get tired of the same discourse against everything?
I’m in highschool and I’m doing all advanced classes because I feel like that’s my level but after first semester I feel like the school year is done. I really don’t think I’m going to do this semester. I have so many important classes but my brain is on hiatus
Are veterinary students and other Allied Health profession students welcome to apply for and take part in this initiative?
And between the doctors, psychiatry has the most suicide rates. Because they know which drug kills and what dosage. I’m last year med student(we call them interns in my country) and it is impossible not to burnout. And it doesnt get better after med school too… I need serious help figuring out what i should do to not feel as tired as my classmates, all of them seeming to do better than me. Any advices???
I think part of the issue is that we are in an environment of everyone around us being 'burnt out'. If everyone you work with, and every person you talk to tells you that everything is absolutely shit, then you are going to think everything is shit.
As a society I feel we have lost the ability to engross ourselves in our hobbies and our vocation. In medicine we have the privilege to treat patients pain and suffering and be their guide through some of their most difficult days. That's an honor. I am grateful for this every day. But I think the main issue is probably a societal issue. We have moved away from a culture where being passionate about your art and advocating for science has been replaced by apocryphal statements. We have also moved from a culture of care and group responsibility, to one of individualism. This has been mirrored in medicine with the loss of 'the firm', and the loss of the autonomy of the medical profession and its replacement with bureaucratic systems. Social media likely has a large part to play in this also, making sure we can not keep concentration for long enough. No one owes us anything, but at the same time we owe a responsibility to all those around us and our future clinicians. Passion is important, we should not be afraid to be passionate.
I’m really scared sometimes I feel like I can’t remember anything I study and we don’t get much to practice with patients and I feel like I don’t know what I‘m doing. Some of my friends get gets merits and distinctions but I can barely concentrate everything is just so stressful. I try to do my best my it’s never enough I wish I had something to me passionate about god I feel so stressed sometime
The whole system is screwed up. How is one supposed to learn at such a fast pace material that they will need to remember for the REST of their career?
I’m in healthcare and I don’t think learning is the problem it’s the bureaucracy and lower reimbursements for procedures. It’s become quantity over quality. I love to learn but patient encounters have really changed in my 20 years of practice
Can you please do an update on this video?
I am definitely starting to get burnout and I am desperate to stop it
I'm having a burnout as a second year medical student,i gave up on my hobbie of singing to have more time to study...
But i need to learn how to deal with that,because i have a long and stresfull(and beautiful) career ahead of me and i miss singing😔
Dr j this is extremely helpful and I'm glad someone is talking about it. I'm only a pre med and the way I've observed how bad I am at dealing with stress I'm afraid how will I survive in med school or let alone residency.
Ive been under constant stress and in depression from last 3 years and no matter how hard I try I feel like I just can not get out of it.
All the things you mentioned.
Because of personal reasons I can't get professional help.. At least not this year. As for taking to friends and family I'm nit someone who likes to openly talk about 'me'. Some close friends do know but that's as far as I can go.
I'm again going to try to get back to having a healthy routine and see if this time it helps me out or not.
As for you... Do you think it'll be a huge problem for me in med school?
(if somehow I got in one)
This has been interfering with my studies for ages it'll be amazing if you make a video on how you study under pressure.
Thanks for the video as always :)
Do u have access to a school guidance counselor? When i was in undergrad we had free counseling services at least. Im in grad school now and just talking to themhave made me feel a lot better.