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ALL-NEW TAYLORMADE P·790 REVIEW
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2023
- Today, TaylorMade announces the all-new P·790, with each iron individually designed to perform exactly how they believe golfers need it.
Using AI-optimized construction, the fourth-generation P790’s use a unique internal structure on each individual iron.
Ian puts these to the test with a bonus comparison to the 2021 P790s!
"P·790 is a collision of art and engineering. The allure lies not only in the clean design and visual
appeal, but also in the high-performance machine that lives within. It’s the total package, an
ideal blend of external elegance and internal power.”
- Matt Bovee, Director, Product Creation Irons
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Heard Ian and Mikey both say they’re playing the T-150s. I petition for WITB to be monthly updates!
I second this notion.
They're amazing tbf
More like weekly, lol.
More like daily, lol
I third the notion
I like that Taylor Made is staying loyal to this design. It has an almost timeless look that doesn’t lose it’s appeal. I’ve never played them, but I always give them the eye. You guys are getting that deep tour player suntan.
I think I might be the only person who actually loves how the ‘21 P790 sounds. In a hitting bay it sounds too loud but outside where you actually play I love it. It has a very distinct “thwack” that I think makes it easy to know exactly where you hit it. Center sounds like a gun shot crack. Toe sounds like a dead thwack and heel sounds dull, muted, and much quieter to my ear. I know exactly what the balls going to do and can tell where I need to try to move my strike for the day after only a few balls. Key word there is try.
Your not the only one. I love the sounds of my P790's outside, it really does have that distinct solid muted crack sound outdoors.
Ian's swing has gotten so pure!!!
Thanks for sharing this review. Really helpful, through, and fair!
Thanks for the review! I got fitted yesterday at Club Champion in Ashbrun, VA, Brett was a great fitter! I went with 2023 P790s and MG3 Hi toe wedges all with LA Golf A series shafts. The combo beat everything we tried. First time P790 user, 13 handicap.
I have had the 6-AW in the gen 3 P790 since Jan this year and love them. The gapping with them spot on for me. I switched out the 4 iron for a 22° Stealth plus hybrid and the 5 iron for the Stealth 5 25° DHY which has worked out perfectly for me.
very similar to me... 22 hybrid and I've considered replacing my 5i with a DHY or hybrid. I had the AW but replaced it with a cleveland CBX zipcore 50... just feel a bit more confident with the cleveland aw, plus I like using it around the greens. As for gapping, I don't really notice until I get toward the wedges but i've learned to hit half shots to fill in the gaps.
@@stephenchrishanson I'm liking my DHY coz it's so much easier to hit and the gapping is perfect even though there is only 1.5° between my 6 iron. Worth I try.
At my speed (74 mph PW) I think that the yardage gaps will be smaller than 15 yards. looks like these P790's as a set are not designed for the higher speed players
In other words still a great iron, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Love to see T200 vs P790 (spin height and decent windows) I own Pro 225 's and occasional flyers happen, I think there is so much help with hollow bodies it can't be avoided... yet!
Having gamed 1st Gen 790s, the issue for me has always been the lack of tech (Tungsten, Speed pocket) in the shorter irons which makes the gapping problematic between the 7 iron and then 8-PW
I have the 2022 P790's and the distance control is just too hard to control consistently especially from flyer lies in the rough
I have the 2023 version and same problem 22 yard gap between 7i and 8i will look to get speed pocket irons bent 2 degrees week - 142 8i carry 164 7i carry
I got fitted for the 2021 model about a year and a half ago. I actually had to get the lofts 1.5° weak to get me into a more comfortable carry range. P-135 , 7-180, 4- 220. But I think my club speed is a bit higher than usual 97-100mph 7i. I love those clubs so much though, high speed miss hits can be brutal but with these it's very minimal. Almost hard to believe. Great video!
Who fit you? Seems strange for a high swing speed player to be fit into hollow heads
@@ben1ben2ben1probably for needed forgiveness on miss hits
I got my set weakened 1° across the board and 1.5° flat - still get flyers once in a while out of nowhere
hi guys,another great piece of content.I would have liked it if you gave the gapping increments from PW,9i,8i.Especially the 8i as we could see the potential increase in distance to the 7i.I think that could be interesting.
I'm currently playing the 2019 version and can attest that from 9-4, they are consistent on gapping. Even with the speed slot on the 7, vs. the 8, they are spot on. Like I and Ian mentioned, the concern is from 9-PW. That's where (in my experience on the 1st and 2nd gens) the problem arises. I've thought about taking my PW to 44 or 43 but then my AW is way off. It's a bit of a dilemma. 1st world problems.
That’s a great idea however it would have absolutely no value to anyone but the hitter. Gapping, especially with clubs with lots of technology, is very dependent on swing speed. That’s why fitting is so important. Most people have no business carrying a 4 or even 5 iron and in many cases people will get minimal carry distance changes (sometimes even lose yardage if they can’t get proper height).
the P790's are cool but i would for you guys to do a full in depth review of the new P770's. I have gone fom a P760 set that i have played for a few years and my biggest complaint with the 760's was consistency across the face. The 790's have always been too "hot" off the face and so far the 770's have been great for me.
Thank you
The boys are higher end players and know they need to tweak those lofts to get a better 12y or so gapping :) TM has always done goofy things with lofts here, going 5d in scoring clubs, 4.5, 4 down to 2 between 3-4 iron. I find weaking the mid irons (I blend these with 770s) really helps dial it back to 12ish gapping. 770s have traditional 4d gapping up to the 5-4-3 which. This is why we (say it together) get fitted :D
The flier issue is the biggest issue I have the P790 2019 model that I have. I have progressed a bit as a better center ball striker as I have gotten back into game and I occasionally will find myself hitting one 15 yards farther than I 'should' hit it. When you launch an 8 iron 155 yards after expecting 140 yards then you can predict a problem. Other than that I have little to complain with the P790s. I love the P770s but I am still not good enough, or strong enough to make them my regular clubs.
As a 'slower' swinger I haven't had a problem with the gapping, at least with the lower irons. Maybe you guys are better strikers of the longer irons which leads to a cause for concern but I don't mind the 120 yard PW since my 8 iron is about 140-145 and my 5 iron is about 170 with the earlier generation. I haven't noticed a real issue in my case. If I swing my Sim2s then, yes, I can get a 135 yard PW but then it is way out from my 54 and 60 degree wedges from 100 yards in. I get what you are saying here but in my world the gapping isn't bad.
Just bought mine. Replaced RAC LT after several years. Did the fitting. Can’t wait.
I own a set of the 2021 P790's and i don't seem to have any struggle with flyers that are being reported here. At least none that cant be explained by other factors. The only time i see a large random "jumper" is either a pulled shot, which is completely on me, or having a flyer lie with grass between the ball and clubhead. These irons definitely produce less spin than my 2019 apex pros and i suspect the spin rate drops so much in this case that it knuckles and turns it closer to driver spin rates. To give you an idea what i mean. I actually purchased a GC Quad for myself and installed a simulator in my home last winter. I easily played 50 rounds and had countless hours of practice on top of that. Never once did i see a random ball exceed my expected yardage by more than 5 yds perhaps. My swing speeds matches "Muni" Mikes pretty closely for reference.
I've been playing these since 2017. Currently using my TXG built 2019 790's (4-AW) with 110 Steelfiber shafts. I'm a 4 handicap and my only issue I've seen with both generations is the distance gap between 9 and PW. I can carry my 9 easily 145-150 yet I struggle to get my PW over 125. I'm forced to choke down on my 9 or smooth one which I'm not a fan of. I still think they are an amazing iron for a very wide handicap range. The build is top notch from the boys, as expected. Nice honest review Ian, especially with the same concerns on the PW.
Would you strengthen the Pw a degree or 2?
@lawbinson that's an option although it would involve gapping the remaining lower clubs, which is also doable. I just need to set up a session with GC quad.
Am I the only person who actually likes more traditional lofts? Why would someone want a massive PW? You lose any sense of gapping with wedges once then get so strong.
Hi Guys New T200 v new P790 would be a good matchup 👍🏴
YES - THIS!!! Performance aside - the T200 is interesting but looks so plastic on the back . . . I don't know if I could love it vs P790 or Srixon or Mizuno. Hmmmm. Would feel weird paying that much for something so plastic looking.
Would love to hear your thoughts on gapping. When working with elite players and their coaches, they work to gap at 10% of 7i ball speed. In this example, Ian's 7i ball speed is approximately 125, which would put gapping at 12-13 yards. Thoughts? Possibly a video on gapping?
Have these 2023 p790’s. Absolutely love them. I could have gone with the p770s as I like the smaller profile but I feel it’s not that big of a difference and the little extra forgiveness is nice. Maybe down the road I’ll get the 770’s in black
Hi guys!! Forgiveness wise. Is the T150 as forgiving as this P790? Which things do you like better about the T150?
Thank you !!
It’s a good question. On paper they’re aimed at very different golfers but at the same time I do wonder just how much more “forgiving” P790 could be. I love the idea of a good looking, solid construction iron with no plastic glued to it and honestly, I think I’d accept a small drop off in forgiveness to get it.
Did TM manage to bring the spin numbers up with these irons? The other problem I have with my p790 is it’s not consistent distance and you can see it on trackman. Same strike but one goes 10-15 yards more…
I think Nickent had it right back in the mid-2000's with having a 10 iron in their 3DX hybrid set. They were stronger lofted clubs, but they embraced it and added an extra club at the bottom to help gapping. I had a set of those and loved them.
Making up clubs. Perfect
@@lfish21. Club names/numbers are arbitrary. And it was their solution to having a forgiving distance club that didn't have huge gaps, the way this set apparently does. And it worked. It allowed for a set of driver, fairway, 3H, 4H, 5-PW, and then a traditional gap and sand wedge, and putter.
Nice review and discussion on gapping . Have they designed them for slower swing speed which would reduce yardage gaps
I played the gen 1 P790s. I'm around 7to10 hdcp. I only played 1 season with the irons, hated the juiced distances I could get on occasion. Made setting distances very tough.
Edit: I moved into Ping i210s
As these are aim at the average weekend player would the gapping be better as most average players loose distance as they go up the bag
I’ve also found myself wanting a little more out of the wedges and short irons in this set as well. That being said the entire set is super consistent and easy to hit with lots of stopping power regardless of what iron I’m hitting. Great video guys!
I couldn't get any stopping power in my sim. I was carrying the same as the tester and getting 12 to 15 yards of roll. the P770s were stopping in less than 5 yards for me
I got fitted for the gen 3 P790 but ended up buying the Cobra Forged Tec instead
Might need to try these. My problem is high handicap (a lot to do with driver and reading the green) as a newer golfer but i have a pretty high swing speed. So far fitters just throw me into the biggest “most forgiving” iron because of strike inconsistency which tends to be hollow powerbats and i am out there cranking a 7 iron 200 yards and get the oh yea look at that selling me on yardage. So at what point do you have to go to a maybe more compact but more consistent head but lose the help on bad strikes until you get better? Or what would be good to look at?
I have a different problem than yours, I have low club yardage. Like, 140 ot 150 my 7 iron.
At first the fitter also wanted to put me on a set with larger clubheads, higher launch, and more forgiveness. But I don't want to spend the money to get fitted into a iron set and then improve my game and end up with a new iron set in 1-2 years.
I made it clear I want irons that force me to strike more consistent and with better face angle.
I got these irons and started playing in February. I'm still improving my strike but I'm much more consistent now. I still need to work on my swing but I've gotten 200 yards total on my 5 iron on the range.
Slower speeds will shrink the gaps. The average person swinging 80 mph with a 7i will probably be getting 12-14 yard gaps. Which is manageable.
New T200 vs P790- differences, benefits of one vs the other?
Tell that to AP2 which launched in 08 and made it all the way to 2018-19. Now T100 is on its 3rd gen. But Titleist is a different animal than TM although I applaud TM for sticking with it for a while.
Hmmmm just wonder what would happen if you took these modern day player distance irons and p790 imcluded and others and just make the lofts weaker.
Would like to see how much forgiveness you get and to see the numbers when you make these lofts more standard.Maybe something worth looking at.
Would like to see a comparison 2019 p790 vs 2023 p790
I think the crazy thing is the clubs arnt more expensive then they are. They need completely different tooling for every single irons internals.
I actually prefer the distances on the short irons... The problem with buying distance irons is gapping the wedges on the bottom. With these, I don't have to buy more wedges. Great job TaylorMade!! Love mine.
I play the old models of the p790s, and have big issues with gapping. Wish I could take the tech of the p790 in a smaller top line with a consistent gapping
I really love how they keep the look is so clean and classic. I currently game the 2021 p790's, about an 18 hdcp, mostly due to my inconsistent tee shots and wedge game, putting also needs improved. My iron distance gap is right at 15 yards and am ok with it. My general iron game (6-9) and getting back to the fairway from bad tee shots is pretty decent and keeps me kind of looking like I know how to play, somewhat, lol. I think I may to have a upgrade to the 2023's just to have a new set when I wear out my current set.
Just got fitted for these P790 and I’m also hitting Pitching Wedge 130 and they are HOT 🔥 as it maybe more forgiving then my Tightest irons. P790 are not as consistent yardage wise. I have a 89 MPH swing speed. The remedy is a GAP Wedge
i went for a fitting recently and tried these out. the 4 and 5 irons are absolutely ROCKETS. i hit a few 4 irons around the 240 mark on carry, not sure if i want my 4 iron catching up to my hybrid lol but i am definitely going to look at a 3 iron version of these and compare it to my hybrid
If you have the swing speed to carry 240 with a 4 iron (even juiced lofts like the P790s), you shouldn't be getting fit into hollow heads
@@ben1ben2ben1what would you go for? I have high speed but fairly new so high handicap and all they want to do is throw you in the biggest head which is usually a strong loft power bat
How about a comparison of the new P790 against the Takomo 101 or 101T. Since they resemble each other, I wonder how they compare
This shows the importance of a full fitting. I see so many people purchase irons after only swinging a 6 or 7 iron and never knowing if they have a gap problem until they take it to the course.
Absolutely impossible for fitters to have all irons from every OEM. The consumer needs to take some responsibility and review the lofts of their fitted/desired set before ordering.
@@CoryLancasterYT Or moreover, I think the right move is to get fit as best you can based on the loft progression. Get your clubs in hand and test them on the course for 5-7 rounds, and then take them back to your fitter for loft and lie adjustments to get them dialed. Curious about the rate at which TXG customers circle back for adjustments, but I'd bet it's 30+%
It does seem like their (Taylormade's) response to people complaining about OEMs simply jacking the lofts, was to spread out the loft gaps from the 8 to 9 and 9 to PW and PW to GW. But it sure seems like they could have held a more traditional 4* gap between those clubs, and thrown in a ~47-48* gap/approach wedge. Most of the target players for this club aren't going to have the 3 or 4 in the bag (or the 5 iron if we're honest with ourselves), so we're talking about a 6-G setup with 6 irons.
Agree. And then change the numbering to be traditional 5I to PW!
@@zazhouThis is it right here! Then the gap wedge is back at the traditional 52* and the OEMs don't sell those crazy jacked long irons that few need anyways!
Would I be right in saying if it’s 15yds gap per club for you then someone with 80% your speed the gapping would reduce to more like 10 to 12, plus the gapping at the top of the set would stay rather than switching into a hybrid.
When you do these reviews, could you please also tell us two or three comparable clubs by other manufacturers? How can we compare when we don’t know what to compare with?
Has Club Champion done a review P790 vs T200? These seem to be a popular comparison most people want to see.. Thanks
Just wondering why TM would release something that is so similar to the previous generation? It seems like they have schedules that are gonna be met no matter what is being done by R&D
I dunno but isn’t P790 the best selling irons they’ve ever produced? That being the case they’re keeping the recipe as is and just tweaking it here and there.
Re pitch distance less than tour pros despite higher swing speed: could be explained by pros delofting more with wedges? I didn't notice your delivered loft with your pitching wedge?
Is the gapping even with them or is there a jump going from one with a speed pocket to the ones that don't. Would be wary of a bigger gap where the design changes
Last gen of p790 were they the same loft idk why I thought they were 43 in the wedge I thought they were the same as apex forged lofts
I think TM should have kept up with the past iterations of the 790.. client like them because they're stronger lofted and a little hot. Thanks for the honest and raw reaction.
I can't help but think they're trying to pull in some of the lower handicappers that usually play Titleist, Callaway, etc.
I play the 2021 p790s my pw and 9 iron 2 degrees stronger 8iron degree and a half and 5 6 & 7 a degree stronger zero issues with flight and stopping power
The best part of this release = no Trotty
P770’s all day!
Would these be an improvement in dispersion from my Rsi1 irons? Thank you.
Great, honest review! I would love to see these put up against the current Mizuno Pro 225. Also, thinking back to your Pro 223 review last year, would strengthening the new P790 PW kinda even things out and remedy your main gripe from the factory?
I currently play the Mizuno Pro 225s and I struggle with the same thing you pointed out here with the new P790s. In the fitting bay (at golftec) they only use the 7 iron for fitting and the 225s felt GREAT. Problem is that the 8i - PW are constructed differently and I struggle to keep up distance wise with my 7i-4i. Been feeling for a while now that I need to just bite the bullet and get a set that has the same construction all the way through. Been eyeing the new Titleist T150s, but T200s are probably more appropriate (maybe a combo set?). Great content!
Might be worth going back to the shop you bought them from and doing a gapping session. They can adjust the lofts to even out the gaps.
Swap out for 223s or Forged. Def stick with Mizzys, nothing like them.
@@CoryLancasterYT As in, go with 223s for scoring irons and keep 225s for long irons? Or keep the 225s in scoring irons and swap to Forged for long irons? Or are you saying just swap to a full set of either of those? I think the 223s have the same sort of progressive construction as the 225s (where 8-PW are constructed differently). I could be wrong though, my fitter didn't seem like he was really that knowledgeable. I do agree though Mizuno's feel great and there was a reason I went with them after trying every brand out there.
Good video. Personally I aim for around 10yds per club.
Hey, your pw numbers may be a faster club speed than pros but your launch angle is almost 28 degrees. pros have an average launch angle of 24 degrees. There’s your yardage differences, right?
Get Mikey hitting t200 vs p790 in comparison video 👍👍
I like the flight window matching, but that's too much between clubs. I'd just end up bending these clubs to manage gapping.
How do the new P790 compare with the new Titleist T200 and the Gen6 PXG irons?
looks like some similar question being had here about the mizuno pro 223. is the main problem just the fact that the 790 may not do as well in the loft/lie machine? or is this even more extreme than the 223
Is project X IO a factory option in these? I don’t think these would be right for me. Just too hot..
After the revamp that cobra did to the king tour and srixon did to the zx line, I was expecting much more from TM in terms of looks for these
Loved the honesty even if it’s negative towards a huge brand
PW threw me off but 7 iron made more sense to me. You swing 92ish and carry 180ish. When I got fitted I was swinging 96-98 and carrying 190 which is 15 yards more than my M4 irons were
Ian and Mike, I have a question for you guys. I am currently fit for the 2021 p790 but I feel like I am hitting them way to far. I’m hitting my 7iron over 200 yards. Would you recommend I go into the p770 or something like new t100
Could a person have the 8,9,P strengthened? I have the 2021s and I notice the same issue that my PW is flying too short
Petition to bring back TXG brand
How do these compare to the P-770?
Forget the clubs..how much is that swing 😂
Some days I’d give it away for free, you may even find it in the dumpster out the back of our store. 😂
@@ianfrasergolfi’d go dumpster diving for your reject swing!
I'm playing the '19 P790s and currently a 2.2 index. I originally went with them for the yardage gains. I'm losing speed as I get older. My gaps are decreasing as well. About 10y now. Exception is between 9 & 8 which is about 15y. I've been playing long enough to know how strike quality impacts shot performance. My only complaint with my 790s is the occasional juiced strike that produces an extra 20+ yards. I've had a few that were +40. Have these new heads eliminated those "boosted" shots?
You have to try them to see, but I can only speak for myself. I was just fit for these after 2 hours of testing. I put them up against my current set (MP18 MMC and MP18 mixed set) as well as the Mizuno 223 I think it is? Whichever is comparable and the P770. With the 7 iron I was averaging 165 carry with my MMC, 176 with the 790, 180 with the 223 and I think it was right around 170 with the 770's. The thing that struck me with the 790's was the dispersion, it was super tight and I didn't have one juiced shot in 2 hours of testing. I think I maybe had one that went 185 or so, but for today my angle of attack was poor as I was hitting slightly positive. If they do have those juiced shots I couldn't find one, but this is controlled conditions.
The OG p770s are so good , don’t think I’ll ever use anything else
What if you bent the wedge a lil stronger? Or would that affect launch too much
Ive been playing the 2021 p790 for a couple months now and not once have I been confused on the yardage i got, at least not anymore than any other iron i ever hit. I actually have never been more consistent in my yardages
I play a 47-degree PW, so these numbers are familiar to me. Carry it 130-132. Not what I'd expect in the 790, though. The person who's buying this probably wants something more.
Is there a review on the Taylormade Stealth irons? (asking for a friend)
Besides the P7MC will Taylormade give us a true cavity back iron like other OEMs?
I think both of you guys should test clubs in every video to give a wider review
Yep. Good idea
Agreed
If you go on about blending irons all the time, you can hardly criticise a set that does that for you!
True
My thoughts exactly, which is why I just went with a full set of the 790 this year. It's essentially a mixed set of 790 through 7 iron and 770 8-PW which is what I would have done most likely anyways. My biggest fear was going to be having to have a gap wedge between my pw and gw lol, I don't think i am going to have that problem now, we will see though.
Crazy to me that they would take all the tech out in the shorter irons more so when you think about the target market for these players. You'd think if a better player would need this change then they would just go a combo set.
How often do you guys hit the tanning salon? Great video btw!
Maybe hit a 9 iron ? For more distance 😊
Just a note: Comparing old Trackman data to the data you get from GC-Quad is gonna end up beefing some numbers up and holding back others. Just saying since it seems to be the talking point of the video (outside of the testing)
I just bought these today lol. I was gaming Mizuno MP18's with a mixed set (MMC 5-7, MP18 8-PW) and while they worked great, I could hit my 7 iron anywhere from 155 on a poor hit to close to 190 on a perfectly struck hit. What I liked about the 790's was the dispersion, even on slightly toe or heel shots I lost or gained maybe 5 yards on the same trajectory. I wasn't even hitting down on it very well, most of my angle of attack was slightly positive. For comparison, the 7 iron was pretty similar results to what he was hitting here, I think I was averaging around 176 with 90mph club head and 5600 spin and a great angle of descent. I think the key we these clubs is the shaft, I went from Nippon Pro 1150GH to Project X IO 6.0 which shocked me, but that's what worked best for me. For reference, I am an 8 handicap.
You bought 2021 model?
@vegas005 sorry should have been clear, o the 2023 model, but it isn't much different from the 2021
Nice looking irons but Still prefer the look of the current Forged Tec
Maybe it’s standard these days but the different internal design on every single iron seems overkill and seems like could lead to some different feels across the irons
It would be great to have Gen 1 against Gen 4 to see the difference.
Gents this club is NOT designed for a player with Ian's skill level. That said, Ronnie would be an ideal candidate to give the New P790 a test run.
I agree that it’s not for me but also don’t thing this one is designed for Ronnie. He wouldn’t spin these irons enough.
I have these and have a slightly slower swing speed than Ian 2/3 mph but have really started to notice a big gap between pw,9 to 8 iron not sure what the answer is m8nd you 😂
Was there a special on the spray tan this week?
That LACC US Open quarter zip 🤤
Need to see these vs the new apex pros...
ANOTHER new set?!! Wow!
Am I late to the party but did TXG rebrand? Did I miss something?
Can we get a review of Brysons new krank driver and 3w
I really need to get a set of these ASAP! Awesome video yet again guys🤌
When you compare against pro tour averages, especially on 7 iron, you need to factor in the differences in lofts, let’s be real, very few to no tour pros are hitting 30.5 degree 7 irons
What’s up with the milk grind 4? Thought that was coming out today???
Next Tuesday the 15th.