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not only the monumental twist on The Good Place was genius, but the show was even better on subsequent seasons leading to an amazingly hopeful and human finale. a true 10/10 series.
I need to pick it back up and keep watching. After season 1, I stopped watching because I didn't like the stressful direction it went in. I need to push through.
@@danakscully64 I think it helps to watch it when you can binge it because it relieves some of the anxiety to be able to immediately see what happens. It truly is a beautiful and amazing show, one that ironically enough uses a religious shell to coat a secular humanist pov.
Watching the cast of "8 Simple Rules" mourn their much beloved costar, John Ritter, was heartbreaking. Katey Sagal was of the opinion that they switched back to comedy too abruptly after Paul's death, and there should have been more episodes exploring the grieving process.
John Ritter was iconic. Im glad I didnt see him in that show. It wouldve broken me to see them gloss over his passing. Its hard when a beloved actor passes. I remember watching call me Kat after Leslie Jordan passed...it was so hard. They handled it very well. Having him go off and live his best life. It was the feeling of, he made it to heaven.
I loved that show when they put it into the show, and I realized he actual passed away it was so hard watching because of their real emotions coming out goes to show they were a real family
@@keekee4522 it was heartbreaking, however, with all the joy he has given us over the years, it was a perfect tribute to have his death incorporated into the show. Rest in Peace
@@aalihte3378 This was hard to watch, but it kind of helped to grieve over his passing instead of just seeing news reports or magazines. Leslie Jordon, I cried my eyes out. His silly instagram posts got me through the pandemic.
They hid the pull the entire time, in such a great and nuanced way to make sure you as the audience never see it until we get the reveal. Even the casting of Ted Denson as a bumbling good guy, to throw you off even more. Like fucking brilliant! And the show ended before it got stale, and just overall, amazing writing!
Honestly, I think the actual moment TGP becomes a completely different show is after that, probably "Dance Dance Resolution" or "Team Cockroach." Up until then it's about the secret torture of Team Cockroach, and those episodes are when Michael finally gives up and actually joins them for real. But Michael cackling is a jaw-dropper for sure.
The entire time it was on the air, it was the best show on TV. Fight me on this hill. The whole cast is brilliant and it's got so many quotable lines, while being sweet and hilarious. Janet is the best, but I'm willing to share that hill with anyone else's opinion. I'm glad they got to end the show on their terms and before it felt like they were just drawing it out for the sake of having more episodes.
You forgot when Shelley Long left Cheers. It turned the show from the relationship between Sam and Diane into a show about an ensemble of people. It went on 6 more seasons.
@@craigmacdonald5352Not surprising, considering how poorly Shelly Long performed- comedy was not her forté (neither was drama.. in fact, it’s not clear she even has a forté).
One of my favorite movies as a kid was problem child and mostly it was cause John Ritter was the dad I wish I had he was patient and loving. N I feel he was like that in real life
Almost 50 years later, and watching Radar tell the OR that Henry Blake's plane went down still brings tears to my eyes. One of the best moments on television ever.
When Ritter died, everyone grieved. He was everyone's next door neighbor, clubbing buddy, strict but loving father, and goofy best friend. The grief in that show was just as powerful as you could expect.
I love the way 8 Simple Rules took the lion's share of the 2nd season showing the family adjusting to the first year after Paul's (John's) untimely death and showing how grief is neither linear nor something you get ever truly get over but rather something you learn to live with...one of the best series to show why it's called the 'grieving process'
I agree. I know it was supposed to be a sitcom, but the world was mourning John Ritter's death, too, and we were given a chance to do that through this show.
Rory dropping out of Yale and growing estranged from Lorelai, was definitely a "Jumping the Shark" moment. The heart of the show was always the Mother/Daughter relationship.
I think Lorelai's parents were secretly manipulating Rory's every move from getting into Chilton to going to Yale since the day she came begging for tuition money; they made sure she got into Chilton and Yale through their connections all in a plot to enjoy what was robbed from them after Lorelai got knocked up
Some other honorable mentions: - Michael leaves (The Office) Michael leaving made The Office (both the show & setting) feel not like it used to and the show started to loose it’s mojo - Barry is arrested (Barry) When Barry gets arrested at the end of Season 3, the last season shifts the show from Barry dreaming of being an actor and hiding his double life to Barry trying to be a free man again - Jimmy becomes Saul (Better Call Saul) After fully taking on his Saul Goodman moniker, Jimmy becomes more involved in criminal cases and the show begins to feel more like Breaking Bad than it did in its early seasons - Din Djarin attempts to redeem himself (The Mandalorian) While Season 3 of The Mandalorian was nice, Din Djarin wanting to make up for removing his helmet, and the subsequent focus on the mandalorians took away from the amazement of Din Djarin & Grogu traveling and going on adventures - Will and the Mind Flayer (Stranger Things) The Season 2 storyline drastically changed Stranger Things from a town looking for a missing boy and strange things happening to strange and supernatural things happening and getting more horrific
Kaley Cuoco's character as the daughter said "I hate you" to John Ritter as her father. He passed away. During the funeral episode her sister told her that their father knew she loved him. "Yeah? Then, why was the last thing I said to him "I hate you"?
Buffy on it's own can fill this list up. From Prophecy Girl, to Spike's introduction in season 2, to the premiers of seasons 4 and 5, Spike's ensoulment, Tara's death... there's a wealth of options there that people just ignore.
I love "Buffy," but I don't think reinventing itself so many times is an asset to the show. Seems like more of a indictment of the writers not knowing what they wanted to do--or, probably more accurately, a reflection of the ego of Joss Whedon. Didn't he drive many writers (and other creatives) to quit the show? Hard to have continuity if that's the case.
@@susanalfieri4487 Actually, most of the twists were well planned ahead of time by the writers. I acknowledge it was under a distressing environment, but the fact that they managed to do it without it getting stale or old still feels marvelous
Buffy is my favourite show, but I dont really think those twists count as "show changing" Buffy at its core kinda stayed the same. Monster of the week, metaphors for real life problems, overarching plot. Only season 7 was really different from the rest.
I can't believe you missed "The Body", the death of Buffy's mom, Joyce Summers. Utterly and irrevocably changed the tone of the show, and in my opinion, the most impactful episode of any TV show ever.
James dying on Good Times should not have been just an honorable mention. I think it's only in this category due to its age but if you were alive back then, this hit so hard and still hits me hard to this day.
James was a strong hard-working family man who worked numerous jobs and took care of his family. After his death, that's when J.J. had to be the man of the house and Florida, who was a full-time housewife, had to find work outside of the home.
I am so glad you included Glee, because the premise and scope of the show totally changed. I'm not just referring to the Ohio/New York split, the character motivations, goals, and general show thesis changed.it was no longer a show about diverse underdogs uniting for a specific goal. It could have been great commentary on how to stay relevant and goal-driven after you reached what you think your highest goal is, but they weren't exactly good about conveying that.
Hardly always. 😂 She spent her first few years living in a garden shack, then a two bedroom house. She was at most middle class until she went to Yale and her grandparents started buying her cars and paying off her tuition. Even then I would have put her grandparents as upper middle class. They had money but they were weren't Warren Buffett or Bill Gates by any means.
BRAVA for The Good Place recognition!!! The revelation at the end of Season 1 was the single most jaw dropping, WTF, OMG, How did they just pull that off, moments I have EVER witnessed in all my television viewing. TRULY remarkable. And utterly brilliant. 👏👏👏👏👏
Yes. So many twists in stories and shows feels so hollow and unsatisfying, and they are there for no reason other than that the writers painted themselves into a corner or just got bored. But in the good place it was all so well executed and felt so satisfying because the signs were all there looking back.
The Bunkers after Edith's death should of been on this list, it was heartbreaking when Archie holds Edith's shoe, crying and says something like "it should of been him."
@@nomizak It was at the start of Season 2 of Archie Bunker's Place. Jean Stapleton originally signed on for it, but decided to end her involvement after that first season.
In my opinion, 'Charmed' became a different show around season 6, with Chris's appearance, the Elders becoming recurring characters and the School of Magic. The cast felt larger after that point.
i have 2 moments from one show, Ghost Whisperer, first one was when Andrea was the one who died and not her brother. second one was when Jim became Sam..
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. also changed in Turn, turn, turn. The discovery that Hydra infiltrated Shield, that some of their friends were traitors, and the official "destruction" of S.H.I.E.L.D. by Captain America, the show became so different and much darker.
I couldn't forgive them for killing off Lexi. I thought she was a great character that should have became the lead of the show, and was unceremoniously killed off without ever being fleshed out.
@stephengrigg5988 I've never forgiven them for George. I agree about Lexie. Mark was killed over an addiction and money. The worse recent thing was Alex leaving his WIFE to run off with Izzy off camera.
You missed Crazy Ex-Girlfriend and Rebecca’s suicide attempt. When she finally found the strength to ask for help and do the inner work, the whole show changed its tone, exploring some really powerful themes.
I also felt like the vibe of One Tree Hill changed. You could argue that it started when they graduated High School and did the time jump in season 5, or when Peyton/Lucas literally "drove off into the sunset, ending Season 6. I'd argue the vibe changed twice, one in each instance.
Once they introduced demons, and especially angels, in "Supernatural" is when it really strayed away from the whole 'monster of the week' and urban legends that were in the first few seasons.
Missing from the list: Cheers, Frasier, That 70’s Show, Criminal Minds, Law & Order: SVU, Law & Order, Mom, Happy Days: Cheers after Diane left at end of season 5 and was replaced with Rebecca to start season 6-it became a different show! Still great, but different. Frasier, I think the show is clearly different before Niles & Daphne got together at the end of season 7 and after they got together. I still loved it, but it was different. The first 4 seasons and last 4 seasons of That 70’s Show have a real difference in quality. At the very least, the show was totally different later on without Eric & Kelso. Maybe it somehow already changed for the worse when Donna dyed her hair blonde? Criminal Minds after Gideon left after the first 2 seasons became a totally different show-much more of an ensemble instead of more centered around that character. I would say it changed again when Hotch exited after 12 seasons. Law & Order: SVU became a very different show after Stabler left after 12 seasons. So much had been about Benson & Stabler-how they worked and related to each other, and now it was Benson and her ensemble. Law & Order became a very different show after Ben Stone left after 4 seasons and Jack McCoy joined to start season 5. Jack McCoy really enlivened the show and brought something different. It’s also clear to me that seasons 7 & 8 tried to delve more into the main characters’ personal lives after ADA Claire Kincaid died at the end of season 6. But the show went back to not really doing that beginning with season 9. Mom changed and much improved after Christy’s children & ex-husband were no longer in every episode around season 2/season 3. Happy Days became a different show after Richie Cunningham left. The whole show was about him and they tried to have Fonzie fill the hole. You could also say Happy Days became a different show when it changed from a single camera show to a multi camera show with an audience after the 1st season.
Departure of Jason, Zack, and Trini - Mighty Morphin Power Rangers = Everything changes including leadership and main focus of rangers. Departure of Angel - Buffy the Vampire Slayers - The series became darker with shifting of love interest of Buffy. "Departure" of main and long time characters - Sliders- The infamous shifting of main characters especially the main protagonist and out of direction of storylines. Arrival of Metahumans - Arrowverse - From a realistic and serious tone of the show Arrow, to the more sci-fi, light hearted, and complicated storyline with the introduction of Multiverse franchise. The Graduation - Beverly Hills 90210 - From teen campus life to adult professional career.
I’d say it’s when Patrick finally got his revenge against Red John in The Mentalist. The episodes after that episode were ‘colder’.. Perhaps it was the ‘cooler’ filter, the new storylines, the FBI HQ.. something felt cold. Don’t get me wrong, it was good seeing Patrick’s dark cloud lift off of him.. it’s just something I noticed.
@@mamacindyrogofsky495 thank you for your comment - I’ve never watched The Guardian. Will try and check it out when the time comes. It’ll be interesting to see “Patrick” in a different role (I’ll always love The Mentalist though 🤭)
Breaking Bad: the most tragic thing about Walt letting Jane die was that he did it for himself. He disnt do it because he thought it was better for Jessie, that they were just encouraging each other to waste time on drugs. He did it so that he could completely control and use Jesse. Evil.
The the portrayal of COVID's real world consequences for 'This is Us' is one I remember shifting the story dramatically. Also, Tasha Yar's death (STNG) after Denise Crosby quit changed the direction of that show bringing it into its own.
My picks: 1. One Tree Hill- changed after the 4th season when they did the time jump and became adults. 2. Law and Order SVU- changed when Stabler left and Olivia Benson became the main character. 3. Martin-Became different when the radio station went under. 4. Friends-Became a different show after everything that happened in London. 5. One on One- When they got rid of Flex, Duane and Spirit only to focus on Breanna and Arnaz, it wasn't the same. The first 4 seasons and the 5th season felt like two completely different shows.
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Dark Angel season one was about uniting genetically engineering 'siblings' and then the second season switched to an X-men type storyline (which wasn't as good IMO)...
We stop watching "Breaking Bad" after watching that episode. Also, I remember watching that "MASH" episode when it first aired. It floored everyone. My cousin refused to believe it. She suggested Col. Blake would come back next season having been found on an uncharted island.
Finn dying on Glee was more of a shift than graduation. the show limped along after that. which is understandable considering the tragic, stupid, passing of corey but the shows chemistry noticably shifted after that. and "Quarterback" is one of the few episodes i can still watch without cringing but only because im crying.
Henry Blake's aircraft was a small transport/cargo plane. Radar even says, "Col Henry Blake's PLANE...". He left the mash in a helicopter which probably took him to Seoul where he got on the plane.
Buffy, trashing the bones of the master, getting dumped by Angel, a maintenant character dying, making a new main character, sexual debauchery at prime time, gay main character, totally mute episode, musical episode, series goes multivers, Spike getting his soul.
@@Tomy_Yon Yes, but it was the School Hard episode that shifted the series from an episodic format to one with season-long story arcs, a model that many other shows have since adopted. This change helped the show really take off.
There’s a far-more-grounded and subtle moment that changed everything on Community: when they gave everyone lockers in the 3rd season. That was the exact moment the show officially gave up its premise of being a college and revealed itself to be high school with adults.
It's not necessarily changed the show but i think the defining moment of when Lee Thompson Young killed himself in Rizzoli and isles is when the show changed. Its like someone was missing. 😢😢
The Good Place is just top tier in recent TV! They hid the pull the entire time, in such a great and nuanced way to make sure you as the audience never see it until the reveal. Even the casting of Ted Denson as a bumbling good guy, to throw you off even more. Fucking brilliant! And the show ended before it got stale, and just overall, amazing writing!
Definitely the Good place, that was a shock! Although they did a great job with leading up to the reveal. I started to suspect but was also not sure. I love Michael’s laugh in that scene it literally sounds like the devil himself laughing, so Erie so evil. 😆
Most Of The Crew Leaves Black Jesus (2014-2019) When most of the main cast left sans Charlie Murphy and John Witherspoon who tragically Passed Away the 3rd season felt kinda hollow but I still watched and liked It
I'd go back to season 1 on MASH for the moment that changed the show in the way you describe. "Sometimes You Hear the Bullet". Hawkeye's friend is mortally wounded and dies on *his* operating table, which prompts him to order MPs to secure a 15 year-old Marine who fraudulently enlisted with his brother's information because he thought it'd be easier for him to get his girlfriend back if he came back from Korea with a medal. And there were several moments since that one as well. Blake's death reinforced how indiscriminate warfare can be. It's one thing when a side character is killed. A loved main character? That stops hearts.
Soap ran from 79-81. They had a cliffhanger at the end of every show, and a big cliffhanger at the end of every season. The show even ended on a cliffhanger, because it was unexpectedly cancelled one season earlier than planned.
I never really watched those shows except for MASH (reruns, obviously) but did notice that the canned laughter from earlier seasons started to get less and eventually was gone completely by the series ended.
"8 Simple Rules" was supposed to run for four seasons, but there was talk of a spin-off series revolving around Bridget being in college. The show was cancelled due to low ratings and a perceived inability to sell the show into syndication.
Nah. The thing that changed Glee, was the death of Corey Monteith. Finn was the heart and soul of the show, and loosing him was a blow to the show. It lost its heart when he died.
No, the show COMPLETELY changed when they graduated. I remember watching the first three seasons then watching the first season with the new cast and the vibe was COMPLETELY different.
@robertpalatsky5017 I agree. After they graduated, the show was never the same. The new class was a pretty bad imitation of the original cast, too. The Glee project was an utter failure. They couldn't keep up with all the original members either, so they just focused on Kurt, Santana, and Rachel in New York. I missed Mercedes alot. She did alot for the show. The whole Mr Shue/Coach Sylvester dynamic was missing too. They should've broken the show up into 1/2 of the school year per season. They could've gotten 8 seasons out of the original cast easily. It felt very rushed for some reason.
Once 8 Simple Rules moved away from the death of dad storyline and back to more lighthearted fare it seemed to turn almost slapstick! One of the last ones they did was where it spoofed Freaky Friday! Mom rents the movie, presumably the 2003 remake and falls asleep while watching and dreams everyone has switched bodies, except for Kerry! This episode was like a cartoon but with real people in it.
Let me say this 😂😂😂NED STARK DYING WAS THE SHOW IT SIT EVERY SEASON IN MOTION TBH…Rory should never have left college and her mom…THE GOOD PLACE REVEAL WAS SO FREAKING DOPE NEVER SAW NOTHING LIKE THAT FRFR😂😂😂😂❤
I was actually going to say Buffy changed at the start of season 4, after she graduated high school and Angel was gone. I feel like that was a bigger overall change than introducing Dawn a year later.
The good place was a great show. The season one finale and series finale are still the best. Ms.Mojo I think you can use this theme for some anime series.
Martin was never afraid to off his characters. Also, they cast Sean Bean in the roll. Only movie I remember his surviving to the credits is 'National Treasure.'
I remember watching John Ritter's passing on 8 simple rules with my parents at the age of 7. I am now 27 and going through the loss of my own parent. That episode is so painful and real that I was never able to watch it again, but 2 decades later, I still remember it scene for scene.
I'd agree if it was regarding an in-story reason. However, it was a massive retooling where the college became a true HBCU. The focus was less on a trio of misfit roommates, Maggie, Jaleesa, and Denise supporting each other through college to an ensemble show portraying the various aspects an HBCU has to offer its students.
Missed quite a lot of plots. 1. When people were being killed by the Black Hood on Riverdale. 2. When A-Train ran through Hughie’s girlfriend and he’s covered in her blood on The Boys. 3. When Craig’s dad SA Craig at the beginning of the first episode of season 2 of Degrassi: Next Generation. 4. When Tony made Sid go to a drug house to buy weed in the first episode of Skins: UK. 5. Any time Shaun was trying to help Glassman’s treatment on the Good Doctor.
Law & Order: SVU - after Chris Maloni left (contract dispute?) the show was given a slow facelift as, one-by-one, all the original characters were replaced.
Remember the build up to Ellen's coming out, all the little hints and her interviews before the episode aired, so ground breaking for alot of us and on my 35th birthday at that!
To me, Breaking Bad Season 2 Episode 12 was where Walt truly became Heisenberg. He said Episode 1 of Season 2 that he needed $737,000 & then he would get out of the drug game, & while he had to make some tough decisions in the past he at least tried to justify them for his family. However, in Episode 12 he had his money & his chance to get out of making meth, but he gave that up by letting Jane die. Additionally, as we saw over the next 2 Seasons, her death has the largest impact on Walt & Jesse's relationship until Season 5, but had Walt just let Jesse & Jane leave his life he wouldn't have to deal with the consequences of almost everything that happened throughout Season 2 in Season 3 & early Season 4.
Haven't watched this channel in years but seeing Bojack as you put the disclaimer about only live action shows reminds me of how objectively based the lists on this channel are.
The Good Place was intelligent and funny and probably one of the best shows to have ever been made. The plot twist at the end of season 1 was such brilliant writing and the show truly evolved in a way that almost always felt natural and thoughtful. I wish I could recapture that feeling when the reveal was made. 11/10
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You should have included the episode " trouble in paradise" from the tv show "South of Nowhere".
not only the monumental twist on The Good Place was genius, but the show was even better on subsequent seasons leading to an amazingly hopeful and human finale. a true 10/10 series.
I need to pick it back up and keep watching. After season 1, I stopped watching because I didn't like the stressful direction it went in. I need to push through.
@@danakscully64 I think it helps to watch it when you can binge it because it relieves some of the anxiety to be able to immediately see what happens. It truly is a beautiful and amazing show, one that ironically enough uses a religious shell to coat a secular humanist pov.
@@Ceares TGP is truly one of a kind "Great TV", from beginning to end.
Watching the cast of "8 Simple Rules" mourn their much beloved costar, John Ritter, was heartbreaking. Katey Sagal was of the opinion that they switched back to comedy too abruptly after Paul's death, and there should have been more episodes exploring the grieving process.
Crying. That was awful. Such a sweet guy & wonderful actor
John Ritter was iconic. Im glad I didnt see him in that show. It wouldve broken me to see them gloss over his passing. Its hard when a beloved actor passes. I remember watching call me Kat after Leslie Jordan passed...it was so hard. They handled it very well. Having him go off and live his best life. It was the feeling of, he made it to heaven.
I loved that show when they put it into the show, and I realized he actual passed away it was so hard watching because of their real emotions coming out goes to show they were a real family
@@keekee4522 it was heartbreaking, however, with all the joy he has given us over the years, it was a perfect tribute to have his death incorporated into the show. Rest in Peace
@@aalihte3378 This was hard to watch, but it kind of helped to grieve over his passing instead of just seeing news reports or magazines. Leslie Jordon, I cried my eyes out. His silly instagram posts got me through the pandemic.
The good places season one finale is pure genius. I still can’t get over how awesome it was and how shocking it was.
They hid the pull the entire time, in such a great and nuanced way to make sure you as the audience never see it until we get the reveal. Even the casting of Ted Denson as a bumbling good guy, to throw you off even more. Like fucking brilliant! And the show ended before it got stale, and just overall, amazing writing!
Completely agree. It was amazing and it's one of the best shows ever!
The whole show is genius. Also, it pulled off one of the best series finales ever done. Top notch all around.
Honestly, I think the actual moment TGP becomes a completely different show is after that, probably "Dance Dance Resolution" or "Team Cockroach." Up until then it's about the secret torture of Team Cockroach, and those episodes are when Michael finally gives up and actually joins them for real. But Michael cackling is a jaw-dropper for sure.
The entire time it was on the air, it was the best show on TV. Fight me on this hill.
The whole cast is brilliant and it's got so many quotable lines, while being sweet and hilarious. Janet is the best, but I'm willing to share that hill with anyone else's opinion.
I'm glad they got to end the show on their terms and before it felt like they were just drawing it out for the sake of having more episodes.
You forgot when Shelley Long left Cheers. It turned the show from the relationship between Sam and Diane into a show about an ensemble of people. It went on 6 more seasons.
Youre right, honestly I liked it better after Diane left
it was always an ensemble show and Kirstie Alley was a TERRIBLE actress
@@craigmacdonald5352Not surprising, considering how poorly Shelly Long performed- comedy was not her forté (neither was drama.. in fact, it’s not clear she even has a forté).
20 years later, Kaley Cuoco and Katey Sagal can barely get through an interview without choking up when they talk about John Ritter.
When I heard about John's death in 2003 I struggled to hold back the tears because I grew up watching him as Jack Tripper on Three's Company.😢
One of my favorite movies as a kid was problem child and mostly it was cause John Ritter was the dad I wish I had he was patient and loving. N I feel he was like that in real life
Almost 50 years later, and watching Radar tell the OR that Henry Blake's plane went down still brings tears to my eyes. One of the best moments on television ever.
I was watching that episode when it aired and stopped breathing. Then I ugly cried the rest of the night.
That was so raw on screen as none of the actors knew it was coming. No one, including Radar, knew until he read it out.
When Ritter died, everyone grieved. He was everyone's next door neighbor, clubbing buddy, strict but loving father, and goofy best friend. The grief in that show was just as powerful as you could expect.
I love the way 8 Simple Rules took the lion's share of the 2nd season showing the family adjusting to the first year after Paul's (John's) untimely death and showing how grief is neither linear nor something you get ever truly get over but rather something you learn to live with...one of the best series to show why it's called the 'grieving process'
I agree. I know it was supposed to be a sitcom, but the world was mourning John Ritter's death, too, and we were given a chance to do that through this show.
Rory dropping out of Yale and growing estranged from Lorelai, was definitely a "Jumping the Shark" moment. The heart of the show was always the Mother/Daughter relationship.
Definitely. I don't think the show was the same without it.
I think Lorelai's parents were secretly manipulating Rory's every move from getting into Chilton to going to Yale since the day she came begging for tuition money; they made sure she got into Chilton and Yale through their connections all in a plot to enjoy what was robbed from them after Lorelai got knocked up
@@Firepuma27 and it came back to haunt them
Mitchum was right, and she couldn't accept it
Yeah the entire aspect of the show felt different after this. Including the Luke/April/Anna storyline.
Some other honorable mentions:
- Michael leaves (The Office)
Michael leaving made The Office (both the show & setting) feel not like it used to and the show started to loose it’s mojo
- Barry is arrested (Barry)
When Barry gets arrested at the end of Season 3, the last season shifts the show from Barry dreaming of being an actor and hiding his double life to Barry trying to be a free man again
- Jimmy becomes Saul (Better Call Saul)
After fully taking on his Saul Goodman moniker, Jimmy becomes more involved in criminal cases and the show begins to feel more like Breaking Bad than it did in its early seasons
- Din Djarin attempts to redeem himself (The Mandalorian)
While Season 3 of The Mandalorian was nice, Din Djarin wanting to make up for removing his helmet, and the subsequent focus on the mandalorians took away from the amazement of Din Djarin & Grogu traveling and going on adventures
- Will and the Mind Flayer (Stranger Things)
The Season 2 storyline drastically changed Stranger Things from a town looking for a missing boy and strange things happening to strange and supernatural things happening and getting more horrific
I didn't even watch 8 Simple Rules, but John Ritter's death was heartbreaking 💔 😢
Kaley Cuoco's character as the daughter said "I hate you" to John Ritter as her father. He passed away. During the funeral episode her sister told her that their father knew she loved him. "Yeah? Then, why was the last thing I said to him "I hate you"?
YES! The Good Place getting a recognition it rightfully deserves!!!
October 29, 1966 - The first Doctor regenerates... by far one of the most impactful "this changes the show" moments in all tv history
Buffy on it's own can fill this list up. From Prophecy Girl, to Spike's introduction in season 2, to the premiers of seasons 4 and 5, Spike's ensoulment, Tara's death... there's a wealth of options there that people just ignore.
I love "Buffy," but I don't think reinventing itself so many times is an asset to the show. Seems like more of a indictment of the writers not knowing what they wanted to do--or, probably more accurately, a reflection of the ego of Joss Whedon. Didn't he drive many writers (and other creatives) to quit the show? Hard to have continuity if that's the case.
@@susanalfieri4487 Actually, most of the twists were well planned ahead of time by the writers. I acknowledge it was under a distressing environment, but the fact that they managed to do it without it getting stale or old still feels marvelous
Buffy is my favourite show, but I dont really think those twists count as "show changing" Buffy at its core kinda stayed the same. Monster of the week, metaphors for real life problems, overarching plot. Only season 7 was really different from the rest.
I can't believe you missed "The Body", the death of Buffy's mom, Joyce Summers. Utterly and irrevocably changed the tone of the show, and in my opinion, the most impactful episode of any TV show ever.
James dying on Good Times should not have been just an honorable mention. I think it's only in this category due to its age but if you were alive back then, this hit so hard and still hits me hard to this day.
James was a strong hard-working family man who worked numerous jobs and took care of his family. After his death, that's when J.J. had to be the man of the house and Florida, who was a full-time housewife, had to find work outside of the home.
Definitely. It was up there with the MASH one.
Yes, James dying should have been #1 on the list. Florida's reaction Damn! Damn! Damn! was heartbreaking.
“It spun in, there were no survivors” always brings tears to my eyes
I am so glad you included Glee, because the premise and scope of the show totally changed. I'm not just referring to the Ohio/New York split, the character motivations, goals, and general show thesis changed.it was no longer a show about diverse underdogs uniting for a specific goal. It could have been great commentary on how to stay relevant and goal-driven after you reached what you think your highest goal is, but they weren't exactly good about conveying that.
15:10 “ because you know what Michael. Ya basic” 😂😂😂😂 gotta love that line
one of the best lol
To be fair, Rory ALWAYS was a spoiled rich girl.
Hardly always. 😂 She spent her first few years living in a garden shack, then a two bedroom house. She was at most middle class until she went to Yale and her grandparents started buying her cars and paying off her tuition. Even then I would have put her grandparents as upper middle class. They had money but they were weren't Warren Buffett or Bill Gates by any means.
If you think they were upper middle class, you are either totally out of touch with economic reality or insane.
BRAVA for The Good Place recognition!!! The revelation at the end of Season 1 was the single most jaw dropping, WTF, OMG, How did they just pull that off, moments I have EVER witnessed in all my television viewing. TRULY remarkable. And utterly brilliant. 👏👏👏👏👏
Yes. So many twists in stories and shows feels so hollow and unsatisfying, and they are there for no reason other than that the writers painted themselves into a corner or just got bored. But in the good place it was all so well executed and felt so satisfying because the signs were all there looking back.
The Bunkers after Edith's death should of been on this list, it was heartbreaking when Archie holds Edith's shoe, crying and says something like "it should of been him."
That was a different show, Archie's Bunkers place. All in the family ended with her death.
@@nomizak It was at the start of Season 2 of Archie Bunker's Place. Jean Stapleton originally signed on for it, but decided to end her involvement after that first season.
Mom - It shifted character focus after Christy’s kids and ex-husband left. And then Christy herself left.
After Christy left it was terrible
I barely made it through the rest of the series after Christy left.
@@tweakfreak87 It only lasted a single season without Anna Farris...
When prue halliwell died in charmed
It definitely got much better.
@@SnowyRVulpixdefinitely. At least until season 8 sadly. Poor Kaylee. She was out of her depth there
In my opinion, 'Charmed' became a different show around season 6, with Chris's appearance, the Elders becoming recurring characters and the School of Magic. The cast felt larger after that point.
Really Not better. The rest was The worst and become a soap opéra@@SnowyRVulpix
@@SnowyRVulpixa Shannen hater...... shame on you clown
i have 2 moments from one show, Ghost Whisperer, first one was when Andrea was the one who died and not her brother. second one was when Jim became Sam..
Also Charmed, when Prue Died. 😢 But I like this list! Well done! 👍🏻
Agreed.
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. also changed in Turn, turn, turn. The discovery that Hydra infiltrated Shield, that some of their friends were traitors, and the official "destruction" of S.H.I.E.L.D. by Captain America, the show became so different and much darker.
Excellent response. They were originally cleaning up the mess the movies left behind, and became a cloak and dagger spy show.
The moment you realize Ward is hydra
Law & Order SVU. Elliot leaving off screen at the beginning of season 13 was huge and changed Olivia and the tone of the series forever.
I think grey anatomy shifted after the plane crash, not when Cristina left. Although, that did sting as well.
The plane crash and merger were both bigger shifts than Christina leaving
I couldn't forgive them for killing off Lexi. I thought she was a great character that should have became the lead of the show, and was unceremoniously killed off without ever being fleshed out.
@stephengrigg5988 I've never forgiven them for George. I agree about Lexie. Mark was killed over an addiction and money. The worse recent thing was Alex leaving his WIFE to run off with Izzy off camera.
You missed Crazy Ex-Girlfriend and Rebecca’s suicide attempt. When she finally found the strength to ask for help and do the inner work, the whole show changed its tone, exploring some really powerful themes.
I also felt like the vibe of One Tree Hill changed. You could argue that it started when they graduated High School and did the time jump in season 5, or when Peyton/Lucas literally "drove off into the sunset, ending Season 6. I'd argue the vibe changed twice, one in each instance.
"...Alex, he needs to be mocked ATLEAST once a day, or he'll be insufferable". I miss Christina Yang. 🤣🤣🤣
Once they introduced demons, and especially angels, in "Supernatural" is when it really strayed away from the whole 'monster of the week' and urban legends that were in the first few seasons.
Missing from the list: Cheers, Frasier, That 70’s Show, Criminal Minds, Law & Order: SVU, Law & Order, Mom, Happy Days:
Cheers after Diane left at end of season 5 and was replaced with Rebecca to start season 6-it became a different show! Still great, but different.
Frasier, I think the show is clearly different before Niles & Daphne got together at the end of season 7 and after they got together. I still loved it, but it was different.
The first 4 seasons and last 4 seasons of That 70’s Show have a real difference in quality. At the very least, the show was totally different later on without Eric & Kelso. Maybe it somehow already changed for the worse when Donna dyed her hair blonde?
Criminal Minds after Gideon left after the first 2 seasons became a totally different show-much more of an ensemble instead of more centered around that character. I would say it changed again when Hotch exited after 12 seasons.
Law & Order: SVU became a very different show after Stabler left after 12 seasons. So much had been about Benson & Stabler-how they worked and related to each other, and now it was Benson and her ensemble.
Law & Order became a very different show after Ben Stone left after 4 seasons and Jack McCoy joined to start season 5. Jack McCoy really enlivened the show and brought something different. It’s also clear to me that seasons 7 & 8 tried to delve more into the main characters’ personal lives after ADA Claire Kincaid died at the end of season 6. But the show went back to not really doing that beginning with season 9.
Mom changed and much improved after Christy’s children & ex-husband were no longer in every episode around season 2/season 3.
Happy Days became a different show after Richie Cunningham left. The whole show was about him and they tried to have Fonzie fill the hole. You could also say Happy Days became a different show when it changed from a single camera show to a multi camera show with an audience after the 1st season.
Departure of Jason, Zack, and Trini - Mighty Morphin Power Rangers = Everything changes including leadership and main focus of rangers.
Departure of Angel - Buffy the Vampire Slayers - The series became darker with shifting of love interest of Buffy.
"Departure" of main and long time characters - Sliders- The infamous shifting of main characters especially the main protagonist and out of direction of storylines.
Arrival of Metahumans - Arrowverse - From a realistic and serious tone of the show Arrow, to the more sci-fi, light hearted, and complicated storyline with the introduction of Multiverse franchise.
The Graduation - Beverly Hills 90210 - From teen campus life to adult professional career.
I stopped watching sliders once jrd left.
@@cmorris9494 He got fired they said if my memory is correct
When Jimmy (Drake) got shot: Degrassi Next Generation it changed the dynamic and proved that Degrassi could GO THERE
I’d say it’s when Patrick finally got his revenge against Red John in The Mentalist. The episodes after that episode were ‘colder’.. Perhaps it was the ‘cooler’ filter, the new storylines, the FBI HQ.. something felt cold. Don’t get me wrong, it was good seeing Patrick’s dark cloud lift off of him.. it’s just something I noticed.
I hated that show simply due to the fact that I hated his character. He was better in the guardian.
@@mamacindyrogofsky495 thank you for your comment - I’ve never watched The Guardian. Will try and check it out when the time comes. It’ll be interesting to see “Patrick” in a different role (I’ll always love The Mentalist though 🤭)
Breaking Bad: the most tragic thing about Walt letting Jane die was that he did it for himself. He disnt do it because he thought it was better for Jessie, that they were just encouraging each other to waste time on drugs. He did it so that he could completely control and use Jesse. Evil.
She was blackmailing him
Riverdale changed the vibe completely when they went from it being about murder mysteries to it becoming more supernatural based.
The the portrayal of COVID's real world consequences for 'This is Us' is one I remember shifting the story dramatically. Also, Tasha Yar's death (STNG) after Denise Crosby quit changed the direction of that show bringing it into its own.
My picks:
1. One Tree Hill- changed after the 4th season when they did the time jump and became adults.
2. Law and Order SVU- changed when Stabler left and Olivia Benson became the main character.
3. Martin-Became different when the radio station went under.
4. Friends-Became a different show after everything that happened in London.
5. One on One- When they got rid of Flex, Duane and Spirit only to focus on Breanna and Arnaz, it wasn't the same. The first 4 seasons and the 5th season felt like two completely different shows.
Great list, I was kind of surprised that Lost wasn't on here (for a couple of reasons, won't spoil here) but still a good list.
Honorable Mention: “The Quarterback” episode from Glee. I’ve only been able to watch that episode once and the soundtrack?! Whew 😮💨😓
The Good Place was such a great choice for Number 1. That was such a game-changer. Love Love Love that show!
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Dark Angel season one was about uniting genetically engineering 'siblings' and then the second season switched to an X-men type storyline (which wasn't as good IMO)...
Remember that too, loved Season One but the second one just did this baffling 180, small wonder they cancelled it.....
When Eric and Kelso left That 70s Show it wasn't quite the same after
We stop watching "Breaking Bad" after watching that episode. Also, I remember watching that "MASH" episode when it first aired. It floored everyone. My cousin refused to believe it. She suggested Col. Blake would come back next season having been found on an uncharted island.
How can you have a video about when TV shows changed without mentioning the show that changed TV itself with three simple words: "Mr. Worf, FIRE."
Star Trek TNG: The Best of Both Worlds Part 1
When Star Trek changed for the worse by becoming overly focused on space zombies.
Have we forgotten Michael Scott's departure? He WAS the show.
Finn dying on Glee was more of a shift than graduation. the show limped along after that. which is understandable considering the tragic, stupid, passing of corey but the shows chemistry noticably shifted after that. and "Quarterback" is one of the few episodes i can still watch without cringing but only because im crying.
Lucifer at the end of the third season when Chole discovers he is actually the Devil.
Henry Blake's aircraft was a small transport/cargo plane. Radar even says, "Col Henry Blake's PLANE...". He left the mash in a helicopter which probably took him to Seoul where he got on the plane.
Young Sheldon: When Mandy revealed to Georgie that she's pregnant, that was when Young Sheldon became a young adult dramedy.
That was also around the time Sheldon took a backseat in his own show
Mom: after Christy left for law school off camera, Mom became a Bonnie Plunkett spin-off.
Buffy should be on here because of the episode, "school hard" where Spike and Dru is introduced.
Buffy, trashing the bones of the master, getting dumped by Angel, a maintenant character dying, making a new main character, sexual debauchery at prime time, gay main character, totally mute episode, musical episode, series goes multivers, Spike getting his soul.
@@Tomy_Yon Yes, but it was the School Hard episode that shifted the series from an episodic format to one with season-long story arcs, a model that many other shows have since adopted. This change helped the show really take off.
@rwwilson21 oh, I was piling up on your post. You are absolutely right.
There’s a far-more-grounded and subtle moment that changed everything on Community: when they gave everyone lockers in the 3rd season.
That was the exact moment the show officially gave up its premise of being a college and revealed itself to be high school with adults.
The "plan" was for Rory to go to Harvard, not Yale. It was only when she didn't get into Harvard that she decided to go to Yale.
It's not necessarily changed the show but i think the defining moment of when Lee Thompson Young killed himself in Rizzoli and isles is when the show changed. Its like someone was missing. 😢😢
You are right. And it did change the show, Franky had more screentime and that led to some Rizzoli-family-episodes.
The Good Place is just top tier in recent TV! They hid the pull the entire time, in such a great and nuanced way to make sure you as the audience never see it until the reveal. Even the casting of Ted Denson as a bumbling good guy, to throw you off even more. Fucking brilliant! And the show ended before it got stale, and just overall, amazing writing!
Definitely the Good place, that was a shock! Although they did a great job with leading up to the reveal. I started to suspect but was also not sure. I love Michael’s laugh in that scene it literally sounds like the devil himself laughing, so Erie so evil. 😆
Most Of The Crew Leaves Black Jesus (2014-2019) When most of the main cast left sans Charlie Murphy and John Witherspoon who tragically Passed Away the 3rd season felt kinda hollow but I still watched and liked It
"8 Simple Rules" just felt like an entirely different show when they incorporated John Ritter's death into the series.
R.I.P John
Michael did the snap before Thanos.
He stole it from Q
I'd go back to season 1 on MASH for the moment that changed the show in the way you describe. "Sometimes You Hear the Bullet". Hawkeye's friend is mortally wounded and dies on *his* operating table, which prompts him to order MPs to secure a 15 year-old Marine who fraudulently enlisted with his brother's information because he thought it'd be easier for him to get his girlfriend back if he came back from Korea with a medal.
And there were several moments since that one as well. Blake's death reinforced how indiscriminate warfare can be. It's one thing when a side character is killed. A loved main character? That stops hearts.
Dallas: Who shot JR? That was one of the first shows to have a cliffhanger season ending.
Soap ran from 79-81. They had a cliffhanger at the end of every show, and a big cliffhanger at the end of every season. The show even ended on a cliffhanger, because it was unexpectedly cancelled one season earlier than planned.
@@TimCarter Soap was a parody of afternoon Soap operas. Confused? You won't be after the next episode of SOAP. Then we got more confused! 😄
Are you telling me I have to watch The Good Place again?
Ok, here I go
I never really watched those shows except for MASH (reruns, obviously) but did notice that the canned laughter from earlier seasons started to get less and eventually was gone completely by the series ended.
Yes, that was deliberate. I remember watching another video that actually explained that.
Whenever Keith was shot in One Tree Hill
"8 Simple Rules" was supposed to run for four seasons, but there was talk of a spin-off series revolving around Bridget being in college.
The show was cancelled due to low ratings and a perceived inability to sell the show into syndication.
The X-Files after Mulder left. Actually, after the show was moved from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
Nah. The thing that changed Glee, was the death of Corey Monteith. Finn was the heart and soul of the show, and loosing him was a blow to the show. It lost its heart when he died.
No, the show COMPLETELY changed when they graduated. I remember watching the first three seasons then watching the first season with the new cast and the vibe was COMPLETELY different.
@robertpalatsky5017 I agree. After they graduated, the show was never the same. The new class was a pretty bad imitation of the original cast, too. The Glee project was an utter failure. They couldn't keep up with all the original members either, so they just focused on Kurt, Santana, and Rachel in New York. I missed Mercedes alot. She did alot for the show. The whole Mr Shue/Coach Sylvester dynamic was missing too.
They should've broken the show up into 1/2 of the school year per season. They could've gotten 8 seasons out of the original cast easily. It felt very rushed for some reason.
Once 8 Simple Rules moved away from the death of dad storyline and back to more lighthearted fare it seemed to turn almost slapstick! One of the last ones they did
was where it spoofed Freaky Friday! Mom rents the movie, presumably the 2003 remake
and falls asleep while watching and dreams everyone has switched bodies, except for Kerry! This episode was like a cartoon but with real people in it.
Let me say this 😂😂😂NED STARK DYING WAS THE SHOW IT SIT EVERY SEASON IN MOTION TBH…Rory should never have left college and her mom…THE GOOD PLACE REVEAL WAS SO FREAKING DOPE NEVER SAW NOTHING LIKE THAT FRFR😂😂😂😂❤
"Family Matters" - The minute Steve Urkel went from side character to the main star.
Also in Drop Dead Diva, Fred leaving and being replaced changed the show. I loved Fred! 😢
You forgot Buffy adding dawn changed everything
I was actually going to say Buffy changed at the start of season 4, after she graduated high school and Angel was gone. I feel like that was a bigger overall change than introducing Dawn a year later.
I agree
Sons of Anarchy?? Man!! Some heart wrenching moments. I have rewatched the series and still cry.
The good place was a great show. The season one finale and series finale are still the best. Ms.Mojo I think you can use this theme for some anime series.
Ned Starks death shocked me
Martin was never afraid to off his characters. Also, they cast Sean Bean in the roll. Only movie I remember his surviving to the credits is 'National Treasure.'
@@CYCO1631 The Martian
When Mark Greene died on ER.
I remember watching John Ritter's passing on 8 simple rules with my parents at the age of 7. I am now 27 and going through the loss of my own parent. That episode is so painful and real that I was never able to watch it again, but 2 decades later, I still remember it scene for scene.
My condolences
When Denise left A Different World
Hate to say it but that show became somewhat bearable after the first season. 🤷♀️
Honestly, Demise leaving was the best thing to happen to that show. After her departure, everyone else got to have a personality.
it turned into the Whitley show and I never liked her
I'd agree if it was regarding an in-story reason. However, it was a massive retooling where the college became a true HBCU. The focus was less on a trio of misfit roommates, Maggie, Jaleesa, and Denise supporting each other through college to an ensemble show portraying the various aspects an HBCU has to offer its students.
Missed quite a lot of plots.
1. When people were being killed by the Black Hood on Riverdale.
2. When A-Train ran through Hughie’s girlfriend and he’s covered in her blood on The Boys.
3. When Craig’s dad SA Craig at the beginning of the first episode of season 2 of Degrassi: Next Generation.
4. When Tony made Sid go to a drug house to buy weed in the first episode of Skins: UK.
5. Any time Shaun was trying to help Glassman’s treatment on the Good Doctor.
Incredible choices
Poor Teddy. Did he ever see the end of a single show alive on Westworld?
Well, the fact that the Office after Carrel left is not on this list, just makes it all wrong.
Law & Order: SVU - after Chris Maloni left (contract dispute?) the show was given a slow facelift as, one-by-one, all the original characters were replaced.
Remember the build up to Ellen's coming out, all the little hints and her interviews before the episode aired, so ground breaking for alot of us and on my 35th birthday at that!
You forgot about the last season of Scrubs!
I would add Cody's first appearance in step by step
To me, Breaking Bad Season 2 Episode 12 was where Walt truly became Heisenberg. He said Episode 1 of Season 2 that he needed $737,000 & then he would get out of the drug game, & while he had to make some tough decisions in the past he at least tried to justify them for his family. However, in Episode 12 he had his money & his chance to get out of making meth, but he gave that up by letting Jane die. Additionally, as we saw over the next 2 Seasons, her death has the largest impact on Walt & Jesse's relationship until Season 5, but had Walt just let Jesse & Jane leave his life he wouldn't have to deal with the consequences of almost everything that happened throughout Season 2 in Season 3 & early Season 4.
Haven't watched this channel in years but seeing Bojack as you put the disclaimer about only live action shows reminds me of how objectively based the lists on this channel are.
Veep- in season 3, the unnamed POTUS suddenly resigns. Selina meyer goes from vice president to president, negating the show’s title.
That year,I can't believe John Ritter had passed and his show 8 Simple Rules was doing great.
Dark Shadows completely changed when the writers decided to add a vampire. People even forget there was a pre-Barnabas period
I didn't see any of these when thay first aired I also thought on the TV show Grimm when Juliette turned into a hexenbeast would have been mentioned
The GOT moment for me was Shirlene’s immolation, as she cried out for her parents to save her. And Daenerys’ fatal “Dracarys”.
The Good Place was intelligent and funny and probably one of the best shows to have ever been made. The plot twist at the end of season 1 was such brilliant writing and the show truly evolved in a way that almost always felt natural and thoughtful. I wish I could recapture that feeling when the reveal was made. 11/10
Riverdale should have been on this list. And I agree with what you said about Gilmore Girls