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6:18 I've said several times, just because a character discovers they're LGBT, that doesn't justify cheating. Good to know I'm not alone in that thought
If you were going to choose a Carrie moment, then it should have been when she had an affair with Big while dating Aiden. Not breaking up with Aiden in season 4.
So funny that Natalie in HIMYM who gets dumped on her birthday, is played by the same actress that played Precious on Friends, who also gets dumped on her birthday. And while Precious doesn’t get dumped over the phone like Natalie, she does get dumped not by the guy she’s dating, but by the guy’s new girlfriend! (Phoebe) 😂 😝
Did we ever love Alison? We first meet her as a movie star who used her powers to manipulate everyone around her including her ex-husband and child to force them all to love her.
@ yeah season 1 Allison sucked but I feel like a lot of us actually started liking her in season 2 enough to forget about season 1. Though now thinking about it, she did also make Victor believe he didn’t have powers which freaking sucked.
Never seen an episode of Gilmore Girls but I swear just through watching Watchmojo over the years, I know everything about Rory’s life and what an entitled failure she turned out to be 😂
Yes his jealousy and possessiveness was what made Rachel say she needed a break (from the arguing and to think about their issues) but he took it literal and went and slept with someone else that same night. So yes he cheated.
@@daniella12hol u cant leave someone waiting on a what if, being possessive is thinking u can dismiss someone and still lay claim to em, there's no such things as breaks....sound dense
@@Jamietheroadrunner calling him a monster is a bit much, he did nothing remotely illegal.....smh get over urself, if thts a monster, ur just extremely soft
Ted was an arrogant, pretentious, stuck up know it all - and I hated the way he treated Victoria when he cheated on her with Robin, and I really hated the way he treated his friends especially Barney
Buffy's friends repeatedly turned on her/attacked her throughout the series when she wasn't a people pleaser for them. See season 3 ("how dare you run away after Xander lied to you and you killed Angel?"), season 6 ("EWWWW Spike staging an intervention because it's not like us DRAGGING YOU OUT OF HEAVEN traumatized you"/"sorry we spent your entire inheritance in a few months, Buffy, get a job while we keep living here rent free"). They were not actually great friends.
The whole sexual relationship between them was ignoring the word no and pain equals pleasure. It was awful, but it was a good turning point for spike as a character and gave him a chance for a real redemption arc, something mentioned in Buffy but never actually acted out. See: angel, who tortured and murdered for centuries making up for it by stalking a teenage girl and leaving cryptic warnings. Ugh.
@@catherineroberts845the point of their sexual relationship was that was the only way buffy could feel anything and she knew it was wrong and disgusted her, but it made her feel alive and human again
Joss Whedon hated how popular Spike became. He hated that the fans WANTED him with Buffy and actively shipped them together. He purposely wrote that scene to tank Spike’s popularity. THAT’S why it was so out of character and seemingly out of the blue. He did something similar with Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia) on the Buffy spin-off Angel.
I mean, there's a BIT of logic in there that "no" had meant "yes" for a good bit before this, AND she 100%, if not injured or allowing him to do so, could have broken his hold on her. He didn't know she was hurt, not really, and wasn't paying enough attention to realise that no really meant no in that bit. But yes, you're very right, and that's the only reason it happened which is why I just plain don't count it in my head. Like no, Spike went on his redemption arc becasue that's who he is, not because he did this fake horrible thing that didn't even happen because of Joss' BS.
Are you sure about this? It feels like revisionist history now that Whedon has fallen from grace. He did not write that episode and had stepped down from head showrunner duties by that point. The darker, more twisted aspects of S6 were Marti Noxon's doing.
@@SensorySymposium This. Oh it was definitely in character and there were signs of it seasons earlier with the way he treated Harmony, or hell even Dru
I actually started hating Ted when he cheated on Victoria with Robin. But, yeah, him dumping Natalie on her birthday (twice) was very wrong (Also, Ted's overall obsession with Robin was super irritating, especially since it led to the end of his and Victoria's relationship, twice)
I hate how both of them (Ted and Robin) would be in love with the other and only wait until they were in a relationship to voice their feelings for the other. Like Robin made it clear how she felt about Ted after that whole first premature “I love you” so he reluctantly moved on. Later, he’s with Victoria (or one of his other girlfriends) and she immediately is like “I love him! How dare they steal my man” so he breaks up with them and he goes after her but she just goes “nah, I’m good.” Then the whole cycle just repeats 😒
I really enjoyed watching reruns of HIMYM until the finale aired. I hadn't watched all of the episode so I wasn't aware of every plot point, but once they killed off the mom and Ted went back to Robin I was done with that show. One of the worst season finales I have ever watched in my entire life. It poisoned the well for me and I have never watched a single episode since. I actively hate Ted and that entire show now. Smh
I thought it was worse when Carrie insisted that Big, the guy she cheated on him with, be invited to Aidan's cabin. I thought he should have dumped her when Carrie refused to stop being friends with Big. Again, the guy she cheated on Aidan with!
I have a hard to imagining a real world scenario where someone would say sure, let the person you cheated with come hang out here with us. I know it's a TV show and we should suspend reality, but that scene is so far out there
Ross and Rachel were on a break, but his indignation became the issue, since he had been so hard on her, believing she was going to cheat with Mark - even though she had no interest at the time - but then a few hours after they split up, he hooked up with some random girl he didn't even notice before. As Chandler said, "You slept with someone three hours after you thought broke up. I mean, bullets have left gun slower." Ross was so obsessed with being semantically correct that he denied any validity of Rachel's feelings of betrayal; I mean, upon initial exposure, he expresses remorse and guilty, but later just rejected any responsibility. Perhaps it is due to being someone who was cheated on, he couldn't accept that he did the same.
That's exactly my problem with him. His behavior was exactly the thing that troubled their relationship and after that affected Rachel so much to the point she needed a time alone, he got with another woman HOURS after. It's not about the actual technicality of cheating, but just about the implications of that in Rachel's point of view. But he didn't stop to think about that after cuz he just wanted to be right. And despite the active efforts to come back with her he still wouldn't at the very least acknowledge the validity of her feelings. Made me completely change how I saw him. Just made me all the more annoyed by the end where she chose him over Paris lol
I liked that scene because it reminded us that Spike was evil, at the elemental level and he was physically incapable of redemption. Which is a fundamental truth of the series. in the Buffyverse you're not yourself when you become a vampire, a demon moves in, it takes control of your body, it takes your memories as its own, and then it preys on people. So sure, Spike was likable, and Spike felt affection and love for his evil wife/sire and then for his friends in the "scooby gang" but ultimately, he was evil. There was nothing good in him until his desire to be loved tricked him into reclaiming his soul and taking on all the guilt and horror that comes with it.
Rory dropping out of Yale. That whole redirect was horribly wrong for her character. And don’t get me started on the later years series with her carrying on with Logan.
@@lazyhomebody1356 Masters has said publicly how Whedon hated Spike's popularity since he was never meant to come back after his initial run, so he started to try and damage Spike's reputation in the show to get rid of him. A few people who worked on Buffy have said publicly how much of a dick Whedon was.
@@LadyKattrina84 exactly, and I remember a while back James stated that the episode actually came about because the writing team were specifically asked to write about things they themselves had done and regretted. As it turns out it was a female writer who had been the aggressor in a relationship. Joss and the team were the ones to make the decision they couldn't have Buffy the lead character doing something like that. Aparently Joss made out like they decided it should be Spike trying to rape Buffy. James says he and Sarah did not like it from the moment they read it but Joss and the rest pressed them to do the episode anyways, they were both VERY uncomfortable with it. I really do think that Joss was trying to tarnish Spike to finally get him kicked off the show, only for him to still be there to the end and then go on to Angel, that must of really ate at him. James has talked about how Joss cornered him once and said "I don't care how popular you're character is" and indicating he would essentially kill the character off if he wanted to. Joss had major control issues. Hell reading about what Charisma Carpenter went through too is eye opening, and he majorly ruined her character on Angel and then basically offed her.
18:11 James Masters talked about this moment recently on Michael Rosenbaum’s podcast and said that he had a really hard time filming it and even needed to go to therapy. Interestingly he said it was based on a female writers experience trying to get a boyfriend to stay through intimacy.
He and Sarah , I don’t even think really wanted to do that. I am convinced that it was a punishment from Joss for being so popular and not being able to be written out of the show.
Joss has had a habit of doing petty stuff. The show didn’t need to go there especially with no preparation for the audience. Glad stuff like this is handled differently now.
Ross had a whole laundry load of issues but the "we were on a break" drama wasn't even that bad. His jealousy stemming from how insecure he was was what should have been on the list.
Bc they in fact were on a break. Before he even slept with the copy girl. Rachel let mark, the guy who gave Ross all the red flags invite himself over. So tbh it should have been Rachel on this list.
I watched the old episode when Ross intruded upon Rachel wanting to celebrate their anniversary while she was busy at work. Combined with his unfounded fears about Rachel's coworker Mark, Ross could be maddening.
Anyone that really, really watched Ted Lasso, could see Nate's progression from the first episode. He laughs when other people get hurt, he enjoys when other people make mistakes, the way he yelled at the new kitman. Rebecca was giving him a promotion and he called her a "shrew." Nate's betrayal was not at all surprising. His redemption was the surprise
On once upon a Time, I think we got a twofer Everyone had always respected Mary Margaret and David, even Regina though she didn't like them. When we find out that they caused the death of maleficent's child to save theirs, a lot of the shine came off of those two characters.
I've said it before but they should have had Alex and Jo absent for a bit and then Jo comes back alone eventually revealing that after discovering he had kids with her she encouraged him to stay by and be a farther to them agreeing together to end it.
Agree. Or have him ask her to come out and be with him via letter/phone call. We could have had a few episodes of her debating it but then deciding her career was where she wanted to focus and they broke up
Watching Glee, Rachel has had many many moments where I got annoyed with her. But yeah, her getting to star in Funny Girl, achieving her dream, only to the next episode sing about how she’s stuck in a mundane routine, and ruined her broadway opportunity for a tv role she was not prepared for or had any plan for, I gave up understanding her character.
Yeah I don't think they were writing the show in a way for viewers to look back and understand the ending 😅 They put more thought into the crazy storylines then how to end the dang thing
I think they were originally going to have Eric be GG but it got leaked so they changed it. Still didn’t make sense for Dan to be Gossip Girl tho. Vanessa or even Georgina would be a much better option 😬
@@PolyBiBadger Eric being GG made no sense either. Didn't Gossip Girl out Eric as gay when he didn't anyone to know at the time, or am I remembering wrong? Also, the fact that GG focused so much on his sister, why would he want to hurt Serena? And many of the posts were made while Eric was away in the psychiatric hospital or whatever it was, I'm sure they don't allow technology at those places. Idk just seems farfetched.
Definitely Ted from HIMYM. Never cared for him much but the thing that did it for me was repeatedly making fun of one of his students names. Like what?
Well, he technically thought he was being smart by seeing through a students' prank only to realize it was actually a girl's real name. More dumb than mean. Dumping Natalie on her birthday twice was much worse.
For HIMYM, I fell out of love with Ted when he cheated on Victoria with Robin. What's even worse is that later in the series, Ted and Victoria get back together. But then Victoria ends the relationship *again* when it's obvious Ted is still obsessed with Robin.
Allison killing Harlan was a shock. Don't forget she rumored Luther. At the end of season 3, she didn't check on her siblings if they were alright after their powers were gone. Also, the final season, when she came to Lila's kids' birthday, everyone except Luther, just looked at her like they didn't forget what she did. Don't get me started on Rory Gilmore!
I fell out of love with Rory Gilmore after she wrote that abhorrent fat-shaming article about the ballerina and we don't talk about that episode enough
@@lazyhomebody1356 I love the show, it's my ultimate comfort viewing but I always skip that episode now! It's Season 4 called Die Jerk (appropriate) if you do ever decide to give it a go!
Maybe a deep cut, but Gwen Cooper from Torchwood forsleeping with her co-worker Owen and then confessing to her boyfriend that she'd cheated and then DRUGGING HIM so he'd forget it and she'd get away with it. And it just... never comes up. She cries, Owen is kinda like ??? for a bit, and then they just move on because Gwen is the creator's favourite character. I *do not care* whatever else she does in the series, she cheated and then manipulated a man that did absolutely nothing wrong (honestly he's a great guy for being as boring as wallpaper paste) and we're just supposed to be fine with it? Owen's a jerk, but he was never painted as anything else until way later. Gwen was always treated as the hero of the show.
I don't know how you can mention Allison without talking about how she literally sexually assaulted Luther. That didn't just make me fall out of love with her-- it nuked her character completely.
By season 10, The Office was way past its prime and I was outof love with all the characters anyway. Andy lost his charm a lot earlier than that. He became tired after the Dwight-Andy-Angela love triangle was resolved.
Andy lost his charm for me when he ditched Erin on his sail boat with his brother. Then barely communicated with her in those months. They ruined Andy on that sail boat.
With Ross & Rachael People ignore Rachael's part in their "Brake". It was her Idea. Ross had been telling her for Weeks that her Boss Mark had a thing for her, but she completely dismissed this. Mark would later admit to her that Ross was right, she never admitted this to Ross and let him take all the blame. Also don't forget that Ross didn't just immediately jump into bed with the Other Girl, He phoned Rachael to make sure she was OK, and if she was sure about the break, he only started Drinking at the Bar when he heard Mark in the background at the apartment. and let's not forget how Rachael found out, Gunther, who had a thing with her, we never found out exactly what he told her, and I would guess he embellished some of the story. So, while we should not condone Ross's actions, we should acknowledge that Rachael did little to help the situation.
YES! It always bugs me that people put 100% of the blame on Ross and completely ignore Rachel's part. oh Ross slept with someone hours after, but what about Rachel inviting Mark over within 10 minutes- and trying to force Ross to accept 100% of the blame on the beach trip was absolutely disgusting behavior. She only wanted Ross back at that point so she could hold this over his head for the rest of their relationship
On Grey's Anatomy, I really disliked the character Arizona Robbins when she blamed Callie, lash out at her and stopped sleeping with her because Callie agreed to have the doctors amputate her leg to save her life. but then I full-on HATED Arizona Robbins after she cheated on her then-wife Callie Torres with Dr. Lauren Boswell -- in the middle of a storm no less! Whatever happened to her "man in the storm" speech?
I never thought that I would have wanted a character on Grey’s Anatomy to die as much as I wish they would have just killed Alex because I’d take them just knocking him off over them basically throwing away a decade and a half of character development for a character I never liked (Izzy).
They were on a break!!! LOL Seriously though, I have to take Ross' side. Rachel was the one to ignore his warnings about Mark and she was really rude about it too. In the end Ross was right. Everyone ignores that Mark was already with her -- for support, of course -- as soon as she's alone after the fight. Plus, she said MAYBE WE NEED A BREAK. That means we're broken up until I say we're not and everyone knows it. Also, most of us know that that's BS. LOL
very few people fell out of love with Ross because he said "we were on a break". It was a bad move from him, but his character was still really really beloved in the show.
12:57 I never truly hated Nate for doing this. Throughout the first 2 seasons, it was shown that Nate had an inferiority complex, brought about by his father when he was a kid. His dad always made him feel that whatever he did wasn’t good enough, making Nate desperate for his approval & that stuck with him as an adult. I always figured in the third season he would realize the error of his ways & come back around to Ted (which he does).
While I find it gross that Ross slept with someone the same night, he and Rachel broke up he's not wrong. Rachel broke up with him. He's a single dude, and he can sleep with whoever he wants. Rachel shouldn't have broken up with him if she still wanted a say in who Ross got to sleep with. If anyone should have been on your list, it's Rachel. She was bossy and mean.
They call Dany the "Mad Queen" yet Cersei was the one who blew up the Sept with wildfyre. Dany was never mad it was just a writing contrivance masquerading as usurping expectations.
Mona being A actually made sense but I lost interest when it was like “oh this random side character is A” or “no, I had to be A so I could protect you” was such bs. If they were going to have A be a “team,” at least give a better explanation than what we got
After Allison killed Harlan and when Five had an affair with Lila, his brother’s wife, I immediately tuned out of the series. I think I only stuck around for the end of the series because I wanted to see just how much worse it could get after that. Let’s just say, I rather have the GoT ending than what we got with The Umbrella Academy 😒
Dexter super fan here- it’s revealed later in the show that they are actually HALF siblings. THEY SHARED THE SAME DAD. And NO ONE TOLD THEM. So she wasn’t just in love with her adopted brother, she was in love with her BIOLOGICAL HALF BROTHER. 10/10 freaking episode though. They really dug in deep with it Edit: okay so I got my information confused. Harry, Dexter's adoptive father, was only SLEEPING with Dexter's mom and theres no blood relation, just guilt from Harry bc he got Dexter's mom murdered. IT IS STILL WEIRD NONETHELESS as Dex has been in debs life as a brother since she was born, and adopted/taken in 5 years before she was even born
@ oh I totally forgot about that episode! Brian was there dating Debra right? Man I wonder what I’m confusing it with because I swear I saw the episode where it was revealed (very very late into the show) that harry was actually Dexters dad. Maybe I got confused bc harry was sleeping with dexters mom
I really wish Daenerys didn't go mad. In my fan-thoughts of how it should've been. Daenerys still manages to hold onto her sanity when the bell rings. No destruction, and Cersi is locked up forever, knowing she lost everything she sought out for, her entire life. Daenerys lets go peacfully of her feelings for Jon, who is reinstated as King In The North, bc he also abdicated his rights to the iron throne; even becomes trusted allies to eachother.
I think Emma lost favour on Degrassi when she decided to date Peter who actually made Mannys life terrible in Season 5 and forced Manny to live with Emma
I HATED what Grey’s did to Alex. Absolutely HATED IT! His character deserved better. As for Daenerys, my Queen, I get it. I didn’t like it but I get it.
For Friends, I fell out of love with Rachel for how the "we were on a break" went down. everyone focuses on Ross and yes his jealousy was bad and he was insecure, but Rachel was being naive and stubborn and what drove Ross to the copy place girl was the fact that Rachael invited Mark over right after he left- not the fact that they were on a break; he was going to go back to Rachel as soon as he left.. Rachel had too many double standards and expected too much of Ross.
I’ve never understood how people think Daenerys turned evil quickly. Literally since season 2 she just kept doing more and more brutal and evil things. Yes, the last season was rushed, but not her turn
Greys Anatomy loves to bring characters back for special cameos where usually everyone keeps kissing their asses for 40 minutes or so. Something tells me that this will not happen with Alex and Izzy though. Like never. 😂😂😂
Dan was a psychopath. He watched, gossiped, posted, and shared about people he didn't even know for years. He exposed their secrets, shames, and betrayals for their entire high school years and even some college years. He didn't even go to their schools, but he was still blasting about all the dirty secrets.
Felicity from arrow: she demands the city be sacrificed so that Oliver can live Rachel from Friends: s2 where she works to destroy Ross relationship with Julie to an EXTREME scale that screams witch Lily from HILYM: coming back to marshal after breaking his heart and acting like nothing happened. Getting upset when he says they are just friends. Working to sabotage his dates. Taking no responsibility for her actions EVER. Iris from Flash: getting upset with Barry for rightly sending Nora back to the future for lying to them about working with his mortal enemy who killed his mother.
The Lily thing was always rough for me to rewatch because I love her and Marshall as a couple, and then ofc it's all brought back up again in season 9. I think if they had them be broken up longer it would have felt more natural and earned, but as it was it kinda just got swept under the rug.
Alisson was the worst character on Umbrella Academy. That much we knew already in S1 when she rumoured her own kid.... but it's even more obvious when the writers went crazy and had her become a proper murderer
As an avid Grey's Anatomy fan, I'm still pissed at the writers for throwing away 16 season of character development. Alex was a great character and doctor and I wished he was still on the show and married to Jo
I'm surprised Walter White wasn't up there. A popular contender was when he let Jane die, although since she was an endless addict, I think she would have always died; the real worse part about the death was when he taunted Jesse about it later. The moment that I turned against Walt was when he murdered Mike out of paranoia he would rat him out to the authorities, even though Mike had no intention of doing so, thus Walt killed him for no reason.
Ricky Bowen-The moment he decided to join the drama club to ruin his ex-girlfriend's current relationship even though hated musicals in High School Musical: The Musical: The Series
Spikes is worse when you realise you could see the emotional turmoil from Buffy and her Gang's abuse building up. Then he goes to fight for his soul. A demon who chose to become a man. KNOWING what Angel suffered. The scene 100% betrays the character, yet I don't think it made him unloved by fans. Its kind of the Cordy treatment. Where Joss' powertripping forced shit in that wouldn't fit to punish actors.
You Buffy fans are more knowledgable than we Angel fans. I always wondered about Cordelia's behavior but never knew about Joss Whedon being a creep,lol
@lazyhomebody1356 yup that episode made me drop the show for a few seasons. I only came back when it happened to be on and they were working for Wolf Ram & Hart and wondered how that happened
@@kinglewis6553 I'm also thinking, Whedon wrote awful, out of character scenes for Wesley too, and had Fred and Gun break up for no reason except he needed the plot to go in another direction! Oh well, I'll always love Angel
Dana not leaving for college isn't a problem, I decided not to go to University in order to stay in my home city with my boyfriend of 4 months, that was 12 years ago, now we're married with a daughter and I have never once regretted my decision. University doesnt go anywhere, but the right person might if you dont give it the chance.
I don't know but Scott on Teen wolf and most of the cast of the walking dead and yes spike from buffy. But that happens on every tv show that a character mess up badly you fall out of love with them.
@@ZoeyKiritu He was drunk, and had been dumped by the love of his life. He thought it was over, and was hurting hugely, and responded to someone who actively went after him not the other way around. It's not great, but it's understandable.
Wait wait wait you're telling me that the woman from Weeds, who played Jenna Malone's mother in "Saved!", marries a DEA agent played by the Pastor in "Saved!" Whom she ALSO falls in love with in said film????? That's WILD casting fun.
Michael killing Libby and Anna Lucia didn't make me hate him. i understood his desperation to save his son. He wasn't in his right mind and was somewhat brainwashed by the others and promised his son would be safe. I actually ended up sobbing when he came back and tried to redeem himself.
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That Ted Laso thing was messed up
6:18 I've said several times, just because a character discovers they're LGBT, that doesn't justify cheating. Good to know I'm not alone in that thought
Divorce yes. Cheating no.
If you were going to choose a Carrie moment, then it should have been when she had an affair with Big while dating Aiden. Not breaking up with Aiden in season 4.
The scene with Natasha tops it for me with how disgusting Carrie is
I agree, and I think them breaking up made total sense. They couldn’t get married, he didn’t trust her.
I think the only reason they used this one is because it was more than once she hurt him and didnt learn the first time
@@Gandellion if anything that was probably one of the best decisions she made! She would have probably cheated on him again anyways
@@alexclark2370 exactly, I would have been terrible for both of them
I thought Rachel Berry was despised long before she bailed on the theater.
I was thinking that as well xD
me too
My thoughts exactly
So funny that Natalie in HIMYM who gets dumped on her birthday, is played by the same actress that played Precious on Friends, who also gets dumped on her birthday. And while Precious doesn’t get dumped over the phone like Natalie, she does get dumped not by the guy she’s dating, but by the guy’s new girlfriend! (Phoebe) 😂 😝
At least Phoebe tried to inspire Precious to see the Mike as an idiot,lol
I’m so glad someone pointed it out lol
That's why she changed her name to Amber Volakis and became bitter and Cutthroat.
@@kaylapounds1359no wonder why dr house called her "cutthroat bitch" plus she was dating house's best friend wilson lol
We also fell out of love with Alison from Umbrella Academy when she tried to SA her brother using her powers
That scene was HORRIBLE to watch, poor Luther
He was engaged!
That part made me sick
Did we ever love Alison? We first meet her as a movie star who used her powers to manipulate everyone around her including her ex-husband and child to force them all to love her.
@ yeah season 1 Allison sucked but I feel like a lot of us actually started liking her in season 2 enough to forget about season 1. Though now thinking about it, she did also make Victor believe he didn’t have powers which freaking sucked.
Never seen an episode of Gilmore Girls but I swear just through watching Watchmojo over the years, I know everything about Rory’s life and what an entitled failure she turned out to be 😂
As a fan of the show, this comment is absolutely amazing 😅
Yeah, she’s my least favorite character on the show among the main cast. I rewatch it for all the other characters.
So other characters can get away with murder but poor Rory can't make a few mistakes when she was young?
Same. I keep thinking I should watch it
The maybe you should actually watch it. People who say she's a failure haven't been paying attention
Nah Ted cheating on Victoria was when people fell out of love with him, and Ross was of how possessive of Rachel
Looking back on the show, Ted was a monster and far worse than Barney, because he actually believed he was a nice guy when he was anything but.
@@JamietheroadrunnerYeah. At least with Barney, he was upfront about his predatory behavior, so you knew what to expect.
Yes his jealousy and possessiveness was what made Rachel say she needed a break (from the arguing and to think about their issues) but he took it literal and went and slept with someone else that same night. So yes he cheated.
@@daniella12hol u cant leave someone waiting on a what if, being possessive is thinking u can dismiss someone and still lay claim to em, there's no such things as breaks....sound dense
@@Jamietheroadrunner calling him a monster is a bit much, he did nothing remotely illegal.....smh get over urself, if thts a monster, ur just extremely soft
Ted was an arrogant, pretentious, stuck up know it all - and I hated the way he treated Victoria when he cheated on her with Robin, and I really hated the way he treated his friends especially Barney
Yep.. he was insufferable from the first episode
@@tjohns25 oh yeah absolutely
Barney? What did he do to Barney?
Hey, Ted was cool, don't be a mosby hater.
Ted was a total dick…despite their issues the only really great couple was Marshall and Lily
Spike attacking Buffy was terrible, but Buffy’s friends turning on her in S7 should’ve made the list.
Buffy's friends repeatedly turned on her/attacked her throughout the series when she wasn't a people pleaser for them. See season 3 ("how dare you run away after Xander lied to you and you killed Angel?"), season 6 ("EWWWW Spike staging an intervention because it's not like us DRAGGING YOU OUT OF HEAVEN traumatized you"/"sorry we spent your entire inheritance in a few months, Buffy, get a job while we keep living here rent free"). They were not actually great friends.
Spike reminding all of us he's a soulless monster (only to go get a soul) is one of the best moments of the whole series.
The whole sexual relationship between them was ignoring the word no and pain equals pleasure. It was awful, but it was a good turning point for spike as a character and gave him a chance for a real redemption arc, something mentioned in Buffy but never actually acted out. See: angel, who tortured and murdered for centuries making up for it by stalking a teenage girl and leaving cryptic warnings. Ugh.
@@catherineroberts845 spike dies saving the world, and he never acted out a real redemption arch? How you figure?
@@catherineroberts845the point of their sexual relationship was that was the only way buffy could feel anything and she knew it was wrong and disgusted her, but it made her feel alive and human again
Joss Whedon hated how popular Spike became. He hated that the fans WANTED him with Buffy and actively shipped them together. He purposely wrote that scene to tank Spike’s popularity. THAT’S why it was so out of character and seemingly out of the blue. He did something similar with Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia) on the Buffy spin-off Angel.
I mean, there's a BIT of logic in there that "no" had meant "yes" for a good bit before this, AND she 100%, if not injured or allowing him to do so, could have broken his hold on her. He didn't know she was hurt, not really, and wasn't paying enough attention to realise that no really meant no in that bit. But yes, you're very right, and that's the only reason it happened which is why I just plain don't count it in my head. Like no, Spike went on his redemption arc becasue that's who he is, not because he did this fake horrible thing that didn't even happen because of Joss' BS.
Are you sure about this? It feels like revisionist history now that Whedon has fallen from grace. He did not write that episode and had stepped down from head showrunner duties by that point. The darker, more twisted aspects of S6 were Marti Noxon's doing.
@@SensorySymposium This. Oh it was definitely in character and there were signs of it seasons earlier with the way he treated Harmony, or hell even Dru
I actually started hating Ted when he cheated on Victoria with Robin. But, yeah, him dumping Natalie on her birthday (twice) was very wrong
(Also, Ted's overall obsession with Robin was super irritating, especially since it led to the end of his and Victoria's relationship, twice)
I hate how both of them (Ted and Robin) would be in love with the other and only wait until they were in a relationship to voice their feelings for the other. Like Robin made it clear how she felt about Ted after that whole first premature “I love you” so he reluctantly moved on. Later, he’s with Victoria (or one of his other girlfriends) and she immediately is like “I love him! How dare they steal my man” so he breaks up with them and he goes after her but she just goes “nah, I’m good.” Then the whole cycle just repeats 😒
I really enjoyed watching reruns of HIMYM until the finale aired. I hadn't watched all of the episode so I wasn't aware of every plot point, but once they killed off the mom and Ted went back to Robin I was done with that show. One of the worst season finales I have ever watched in my entire life. It poisoned the well for me and I have never watched a single episode since. I actively hate Ted and that entire show now. Smh
I thought it was worse when Carrie insisted that Big, the guy she cheated on him with, be invited to Aidan's cabin. I thought he should have dumped her when Carrie refused to stop being friends with Big. Again, the guy she cheated on Aidan with!
I have a hard to imagining a real world scenario where someone would say sure, let the person you cheated with come hang out here with us. I know it's a TV show and we should suspend reality, but that scene is so far out there
Ross and Rachel were on a break, but his indignation became the issue, since he had been so hard on her, believing she was going to cheat with Mark - even though she had no interest at the time - but then a few hours after they split up, he hooked up with some random girl he didn't even notice before. As Chandler said, "You slept with someone three hours after you thought broke up. I mean, bullets have left gun slower."
Ross was so obsessed with being semantically correct that he denied any validity of Rachel's feelings of betrayal; I mean, upon initial exposure, he expresses remorse and guilty, but later just rejected any responsibility. Perhaps it is due to being someone who was cheated on, he couldn't accept that he did the same.
That's exactly my problem with him.
His behavior was exactly the thing that troubled their relationship and after that affected Rachel so much to the point she needed a time alone, he got with another woman HOURS after. It's not about the actual technicality of cheating, but just about the implications of that in Rachel's point of view. But he didn't stop to think about that after cuz he just wanted to be right. And despite the active efforts to come back with her he still wouldn't at the very least acknowledge the validity of her feelings. Made me completely change how I saw him.
Just made me all the more annoyed by the end where she chose him over Paris lol
Spike is still a fan favorite. And my favorite. And dont forget he goes to get his soul afterwards.
The most well written redemption arc ever written
It's also been stated that most people involved with the show were against that scene happening but Whedon wanted it so Whedon got it.
@@ZevranaArcana true, and I get how terrible that scene was. Especially for Sarah and James who played it
I liked that scene because it reminded us that Spike was evil, at the elemental level and he was physically incapable of redemption. Which is a fundamental truth of the series. in the Buffyverse you're not yourself when you become a vampire, a demon moves in, it takes control of your body, it takes your memories as its own, and then it preys on people.
So sure, Spike was likable, and Spike felt affection and love for his evil wife/sire and then for his friends in the "scooby gang" but ultimately, he was evil. There was nothing good in him until his desire to be loved tricked him into reclaiming his soul and taking on all the guilt and horror that comes with it.
Rory dropping out of Yale. That whole redirect was horribly wrong for her character. And don’t get me started on the later years series with her carrying on with Logan.
What Joss Whedon did to James Masters was disgusting. He went to therapy afterwards because it affected him so badly.
well its not a surpise howa piece of shit Whedon its also in real life
Did he do it to him or was he writing a character?
@@lazyhomebody1356 Masters has said publicly how Whedon hated Spike's popularity since he was never meant to come back after his initial run, so he started to try and damage Spike's reputation in the show to get rid of him. A few people who worked on Buffy have said publicly how much of a dick Whedon was.
@LadyKattrina84 I've seen a few more comments here, and-- how awful!! He has alot of talent but seems like a petty as*hole
@@LadyKattrina84 exactly, and I remember a while back James stated that the episode actually came about because the writing team were specifically asked to write about things they themselves had done and regretted. As it turns out it was a female writer who had been the aggressor in a relationship. Joss and the team were the ones to make the decision they couldn't have Buffy the lead character doing something like that. Aparently Joss made out like they decided it should be Spike trying to rape Buffy. James says he and Sarah did not like it from the moment they read it but Joss and the rest pressed them to do the episode anyways, they were both VERY uncomfortable with it. I really do think that Joss was trying to tarnish Spike to finally get him kicked off the show, only for him to still be there to the end and then go on to Angel, that must of really ate at him. James has talked about how Joss cornered him once and said "I don't care how popular you're character is" and indicating he would essentially kill the character off if he wanted to. Joss had major control issues. Hell reading about what Charisma Carpenter went through too is eye opening, and he majorly ruined her character on Angel and then basically offed her.
18:11 James Masters talked about this moment recently on Michael Rosenbaum’s podcast and said that he had a really hard time filming it and even needed to go to therapy. Interestingly he said it was based on a female writers experience trying to get a boyfriend to stay through intimacy.
He and Sarah , I don’t even think really wanted to do that. I am convinced that it was a punishment from Joss for being so popular and not being able to be written out of the show.
Joss has had a habit of doing petty stuff.
The show didn’t need to go there especially with no preparation for the audience. Glad stuff like this is handled differently now.
Jess's "Why did you drop out Yale?!" lives rent free in my brain.
I propose that Ted Mosby was *_never_* likeable
motion accepted 🧐
Seconded
It's true, he's a hypocritical a-hole... even worse than Barney. Ted is a selfish and controlling man.
I agree!
Yeah he is a tool. Nothing is ever his fault and he has no backbone.
Ross had a whole laundry load of issues but the "we were on a break" drama wasn't even that bad. His jealousy stemming from how insecure he was was what should have been on the list.
Bc they in fact were on a break. Before he even slept with the copy girl. Rachel let mark, the guy who gave Ross all the red flags invite himself over. So tbh it should have been Rachel on this list.
I watched the old episode when Ross intruded upon Rachel wanting to celebrate their anniversary while she was busy at work. Combined with his unfounded fears about Rachel's coworker Mark, Ross could be maddening.
This list is odd. Some of these are deliberate heel turns. Good guy becomes bad guy. Others were ruining a character.
I stopped watching Grey's Anatomy when they had Alex write those stupid letters. His character would have never done that to Jo.
exactly
That was written by the writer that faked being sick.
Me too, I hated that 😡🤬
@@almetz79ableI didn’t realise that. No wonder it was so shit!
Same. Ruined my favorite character on the show
Anyone that really, really watched Ted Lasso, could see Nate's progression from the first episode.
He laughs when other people get hurt, he enjoys when other people make mistakes, the way he yelled at the new kitman. Rebecca was giving him a promotion and he called her a "shrew."
Nate's betrayal was not at all surprising. His redemption was the surprise
Don't forget his pre-game "roast" of the players. Was it meant to be helpful or was it a result of his newfound power?
On once upon a Time, I think we got a twofer
Everyone had always respected Mary Margaret and David, even Regina though she didn't like them. When we find out that they caused the death of maleficent's child to save theirs, a lot of the shine came off of those two characters.
Yeah but I think the point was to show that they are not as good as everyone thought
Yeah but I think the point was to show that they are not as good as everyone thought
Rachel was never likable. As for her worst sin? I'd say sending a girl to a crack house is pretty bad
I've said it before but they should have had Alex and Jo absent for a bit and then Jo comes back alone eventually revealing that after discovering he had kids with her she encouraged him to stay by and be a farther to them agreeing together to end it.
Agree. Or have him ask her to come out and be with him via letter/phone call. We could have had a few episodes of her debating it but then deciding her career was where she wanted to focus and they broke up
Watching Glee, Rachel has had many many moments where I got annoyed with her. But yeah, her getting to star in Funny Girl, achieving her dream, only to the next episode sing about how she’s stuck in a mundane routine, and ruined her broadway opportunity for a tv role she was not prepared for or had any plan for, I gave up understanding her character.
I don't know, I feel like after Finn died, she was lost and trying to fill the void in ways to distract herself.
The scene where Carrie is caught by Natasha in HER house and all the scenes with them after for me are what make me despise Carrie so much
Dawson sabotaging Pacey. Seriously what was he thinking forcing Pacey off the race just to stoke his ego
"Dan is Gossip Girl", was a stupid twist but the show was so dead by the end, I don't think it even matters...
Yeah I don't think they were writing the show in a way for viewers to look back and understand the ending 😅 They put more thought into the crazy storylines then how to end the dang thing
@@meganclow6959 yeah, kind of like Lost.
I think they were originally going to have Eric be GG but it got leaked so they changed it. Still didn’t make sense for Dan to be Gossip Girl tho. Vanessa or even Georgina would be a much better option 😬
@@PolyBiBadger Eric being GG made no sense either. Didn't Gossip Girl out Eric as gay when he didn't anyone to know at the time, or am I remembering wrong?
Also, the fact that GG focused so much on his sister, why would he want to hurt Serena? And many of the posts were made while Eric was away in the psychiatric hospital or whatever it was, I'm sure they don't allow technology at those places. Idk just seems farfetched.
Definitely Ted from HIMYM. Never cared for him much but the thing that did it for me was repeatedly making fun of one of his students names. Like what?
Well, he technically thought he was being smart by seeing through a students' prank only to realize it was actually a girl's real name. More dumb than mean. Dumping Natalie on her birthday twice was much worse.
RIP cook pu
I will never forgive the writers for doing Spike dirty like that
I will never get over Alex leaving Jo via letter. They were such a good couple!
I was going to say that Deb having romantic feelings for Dexter really ruined the whole show. I was enjoying it until that episode
The character assassination of Spike still infuriates me.
For HIMYM, I fell out of love with Ted when he cheated on Victoria with Robin. What's even worse is that later in the series, Ted and Victoria get back together. But then Victoria ends the relationship *again* when it's obvious Ted is still obsessed with Robin.
Allison killing Harlan was a shock. Don't forget she rumored Luther. At the end of season 3, she didn't check on her siblings if they were alright after their powers were gone. Also, the final season, when she came to Lila's kids' birthday, everyone except Luther, just looked at her like they didn't forget what she did. Don't get me started on Rory Gilmore!
I fell out of love with Rory Gilmore after she wrote that abhorrent fat-shaming article about the ballerina and we don't talk about that episode enough
😮😢 I was planning to watch the series...but maybe not now.
@@lazyhomebody1356 I love the show, it's my ultimate comfort viewing but I always skip that episode now! It's Season 4 called Die Jerk (appropriate) if you do ever decide to give it a go!
@@naomidixon4640 I couldn't skip an episode, too OCD,lol. I'm sure I'll love the show. I just might keep a little distance from Rory!
@@naomidixon4640 I remember she wanted to go to Harvard, but got pressured by her Grandparents to go to Yale.
Maybe a deep cut, but Gwen Cooper from Torchwood forsleeping with her co-worker Owen and then confessing to her boyfriend that she'd cheated and then DRUGGING HIM so he'd forget it and she'd get away with it. And it just... never comes up. She cries, Owen is kinda like ??? for a bit, and then they just move on because Gwen is the creator's favourite character. I *do not care* whatever else she does in the series, she cheated and then manipulated a man that did absolutely nothing wrong (honestly he's a great guy for being as boring as wallpaper paste) and we're just supposed to be fine with it? Owen's a jerk, but he was never painted as anything else until way later. Gwen was always treated as the hero of the show.
I don't know how you can mention Allison without talking about how she literally sexually assaulted Luther. That didn't just make me fall out of love with her-- it nuked her character completely.
We feel out of love with Rachel LONG before her leaving the Broadway show. We are sick of her by the time she auditioned for Woopie.
I liked Rachel. And did you mean Whoopie?
I never fell out of love with Rachel because I could never stand her. Her egotistical attitude was annoying and her tantrums were plain childish
By season 10, The Office was way past its prime and I was outof love with all the characters anyway. Andy lost his charm a lot earlier than that. He became tired after the Dwight-Andy-Angela love triangle was resolved.
I don't see how everyone never SAYS that! The last 2 seasons were AWFUL.
Andy lost his charm for me when he ditched Erin on his sail boat with his brother. Then barely communicated with her in those months. They ruined Andy on that sail boat.
Spike's character assassination will forever be the worst character choice for me.
With Ross & Rachael People ignore Rachael's part in their "Brake".
It was her Idea.
Ross had been telling her for Weeks that her Boss Mark had a thing for her, but she completely dismissed this. Mark would later admit to her that Ross was right, she never admitted this to Ross and let him take all the blame.
Also don't forget that Ross didn't just immediately jump into bed with the Other Girl, He phoned Rachael to make sure she was OK, and if she was sure about the break, he only started Drinking at the Bar when he heard Mark in the background at the apartment.
and let's not forget how Rachael found out, Gunther, who had a thing with her, we never found out exactly what he told her, and I would guess he embellished some of the story.
So, while we should not condone Ross's actions, we should acknowledge that Rachael did little to help the situation.
YES! It always bugs me that people put 100% of the blame on Ross and completely ignore Rachel's part. oh Ross slept with someone hours after, but what about Rachel inviting Mark over within 10 minutes- and trying to force Ross to accept 100% of the blame on the beach trip was absolutely disgusting behavior. She only wanted Ross back at that point so she could hold this over his head for the rest of their relationship
On Grey's Anatomy, I really disliked the character Arizona Robbins when she blamed Callie, lash out at her and stopped sleeping with her because Callie agreed to have the doctors amputate her leg to save her life. but then I full-on HATED Arizona Robbins after she cheated on her then-wife Callie Torres with Dr. Lauren Boswell -- in the middle of a storm no less! Whatever happened to her "man in the storm" speech?
I was going to say something about Dawson on Chicago Fire but then I couldn't remember a time when she didn't annoy me.
I never thought that I would have wanted a character on Grey’s Anatomy to die as much as I wish they would have just killed Alex because I’d take them just knocking him off over them basically throwing away a decade and a half of character development for a character I never liked (Izzy).
They were on a break!!! LOL Seriously though, I have to take Ross' side. Rachel was the one to ignore his warnings about Mark and she was really rude about it too. In the end Ross was right. Everyone ignores that Mark was already with her -- for support, of course -- as soon as she's alone after the fight. Plus, she said MAYBE WE NEED A BREAK. That means we're broken up until I say we're not and everyone knows it. Also, most of us know that that's BS. LOL
Say what you will about Ross in general and the "We Were on a Break" topic, but Rachel; in general; is far from being any better than Ross
This!! She called Julie a manipulative bitch when all Julie did was try to befriend Rachel.
very few people fell out of love with Ross because he said "we were on a break". It was a bad move from him, but his character was still really really beloved in the show.
Were we ever actually supposed to love Rachel Berry?
12:57 I never truly hated Nate for doing this.
Throughout the first 2 seasons, it was shown that Nate had an inferiority complex, brought about by his father when he was a kid. His dad always made him feel that whatever he did wasn’t good enough, making Nate desperate for his approval & that stuck with him as an adult.
I always figured in the third season he would realize the error of his ways & come back around to Ted (which he does).
While I find it gross that Ross slept with someone the same night, he and Rachel broke up he's not wrong. Rachel broke up with him. He's a single dude, and he can sleep with whoever he wants. Rachel shouldn't have broken up with him if she still wanted a say in who Ross got to sleep with. If anyone should have been on your list, it's Rachel. She was bossy and mean.
I haven’t seen many of these shows, so I enjoy the spoilers.
They call Dany the "Mad Queen" yet Cersei was the one who blew up the Sept with wildfyre. Dany was never mad it was just a writing contrivance masquerading as usurping expectations.
Exactly
And then Cersei getting a boring ass demise at the end of it all on a show infamous for killing off villains with harsh justice smh
Dan is Gossip girl, just like Mona was A.
Mona being A actually made sense but I lost interest when it was like “oh this random side character is A” or “no, I had to be A so I could protect you” was such bs. If they were going to have A be a “team,” at least give a better explanation than what we got
Mona being A was a good twist to me, but when everyone and their grandmother started being A then it got old
AJ Styles From TNA/WWE Joining Ric Flair's Fortune Stable and The Claire Lynch storyline Goddawful
They meant fictional characters. Do you ever read the title before commenting?
Wasn't Natalie played by Anne Dudek who played Precious on Friends who also got screwed over on her birthday?
Cmon friends is not a ripped off of how I met your mother
"We were on a break" was funnier than "I was destroyed, she comforted me."
I think a better time to start hating Rory is when she slept with a married man.
Not surprised number one is GOT
We don't talk about season 8
After Allison killed Harlan and when Five had an affair with Lila, his brother’s wife, I immediately tuned out of the series. I think I only stuck around for the end of the series because I wanted to see just how much worse it could get after that. Let’s just say, I rather have the GoT ending than what we got with The Umbrella Academy 😒
I honestly stopped watching after Alison used her rumor to SA Luther
Dexter super fan here- it’s revealed later in the show that they are actually HALF siblings. THEY SHARED THE SAME DAD. And NO ONE TOLD THEM. So she wasn’t just in love with her adopted brother, she was in love with her BIOLOGICAL HALF BROTHER. 10/10 freaking episode though. They really dug in deep with it
Edit: okay so I got my information confused. Harry, Dexter's adoptive father, was only SLEEPING with Dexter's mom and theres no blood relation, just guilt from Harry bc he got Dexter's mom murdered. IT IS STILL WEIRD NONETHELESS as Dex has been in debs life as a brother since she was born, and adopted/taken in 5 years before she was even born
Incorrect. Dexter’s biological father was an ex-con and bowling enthusiast, confirmed by blood test.
@ oh I totally forgot about that episode! Brian was there dating Debra right? Man I wonder what I’m confusing it with because I swear I saw the episode where it was revealed (very very late into the show) that harry was actually Dexters dad. Maybe I got confused bc harry was sleeping with dexters mom
Idk about you, but I fell out of love with Dan a LONG time before the reveal
I hate how people act like Steve was this perfect person..like did we all forget that he cheated on Miranda first in the first movie.
And like he wasn’t childish and manipulative in the series 🙄
I really wish Daenerys didn't go mad. In my fan-thoughts of how it should've been. Daenerys still manages to hold onto her sanity when the bell rings. No destruction, and Cersi is locked up forever, knowing she lost everything she sought out for, her entire life. Daenerys lets go peacfully of her feelings for Jon, who is reinstated as King In The North, bc he also abdicated his rights to the iron throne; even becomes trusted allies to eachother.
I was never in love with any of these characters to begin with 😅
What they did to Karev irks me NO end. I absolutely hate, hate, hate how they undone the amazing progress he had made. Alex would NEVER do that to Jo
I am ALWAYS. FOREVER. ANGRY. That the BtVS writers did that, not only to Spike, but Buffy as well. Pointless.
Always disliked Ted and Ross. I am sorry, i did NOT root for their relationships… Rachel and Robin deserved better.
Never watched Weeds, but when is this woman gonna realize Pastor Skip is BAD NEWS??
I think Emma lost favour on Degrassi when she decided to date Peter who actually made Mannys life terrible in Season 5 and forced Manny to live with Emma
Emma, Manny, and especially Peter were divisive characters.
Steve is great and all, I love him, don't get me wrong, but people seem to forget he cheated on Miranda first.
I HATED what Grey’s did to Alex. Absolutely HATED IT! His character deserved better. As for Daenerys, my Queen, I get it. I didn’t like it but I get it.
For Friends, I fell out of love with Rachel for how the "we were on a break" went down. everyone focuses on Ross and yes his jealousy was bad and he was insecure, but Rachel was being naive and stubborn and what drove Ross to the copy place girl was the fact that Rachael invited Mark over right after he left- not the fact that they were on a break; he was going to go back to Rachel as soon as he left.. Rachel had too many double standards and expected too much of Ross.
Nothing can make me hate Spike.
I never liked Ross from day 1
What about Leonerd Hofstader from TBBT? He can be selfish than act like a hero from the movies he watches.
I’ve never understood how people think Daenerys turned evil quickly. Literally since season 2 she just kept doing more and more brutal and evil things. Yes, the last season was rushed, but not her turn
1:47 Claire was her daughter. The worst behavior wasn’t even killing Harlan. The show ruined Allison’s character.
Idk why they made her so unlikeable
Greys Anatomy loves to bring characters back for special cameos where usually everyone keeps kissing their asses for 40 minutes or so. Something tells me that this will not happen with Alex and Izzy though. Like never. 😂😂😂
Dan was a psychopath. He watched, gossiped, posted, and shared about people he didn't even know for years. He exposed their secrets, shames, and betrayals for their entire high school years and even some college years. He didn't even go to their schools, but he was still blasting about all the dirty secrets.
he walked so Joe could run lmao
Did people ever actually like Rachel from glee😂😂😂.
Felicity from arrow: she demands the city be sacrificed so that Oliver can live
Rachel from Friends: s2 where she works to destroy Ross relationship with Julie to an EXTREME scale that screams witch
Lily from HILYM: coming back to marshal after breaking his heart and acting like nothing happened. Getting upset when he says they are just friends. Working to sabotage his dates. Taking no responsibility for her actions EVER.
Iris from Flash: getting upset with Barry for rightly sending Nora back to the future for lying to them about working with his mortal enemy who killed his mother.
The Lily thing was always rough for me to rewatch because I love her and Marshall as a couple, and then ofc it's all brought back up again in season 9. I think if they had them be broken up longer it would have felt more natural and earned, but as it was it kinda just got swept under the rug.
i felt this way when dwayne went on that date while he was engaged to whitley - A Different World
Agreeeeeeeeeeee!!
I never liked Whitley.
Alisson was the worst character on Umbrella Academy. That much we knew already in S1 when she rumoured her own kid.... but it's even more obvious when the writers went crazy and had her become a proper murderer
As an avid Grey's Anatomy fan, I'm still pissed at the writers for throwing away 16 season of character development. Alex was a great character and doctor and I wished he was still on the show and married to Jo
I'm surprised Walter White wasn't up there. A popular contender was when he let Jane die, although since she was an endless addict, I think she would have always died; the real worse part about the death was when he taunted Jesse about it later.
The moment that I turned against Walt was when he murdered Mike out of paranoia he would rat him out to the authorities, even though Mike had no intention of doing so, thus Walt killed him for no reason.
Ricky Bowen-The moment he decided to join the drama club to ruin his ex-girlfriend's current relationship even though hated musicals in High School Musical: The Musical: The Series
Spikes is worse when you realise you could see the emotional turmoil from Buffy and her Gang's abuse building up. Then he goes to fight for his soul. A demon who chose to become a man. KNOWING what Angel suffered.
The scene 100% betrays the character, yet I don't think it made him unloved by fans. Its kind of the Cordy treatment. Where Joss' powertripping forced shit in that wouldn't fit to punish actors.
You Buffy fans are more knowledgable than we Angel fans. I always wondered about Cordelia's behavior but never knew about Joss Whedon being a creep,lol
@lazyhomebody1356 yup that episode made me drop the show for a few seasons. I only came back when it happened to be on and they were working for Wolf Ram & Hart and wondered how that happened
@@kinglewis6553 I'm also thinking, Whedon wrote awful, out of character scenes for Wesley too, and had Fred and Gun break up for no reason except he needed the plot to go in another direction! Oh well, I'll always love Angel
Dana not leaving for college isn't a problem, I decided not to go to University in order to stay in my home city with my boyfriend of 4 months, that was 12 years ago, now we're married with a daughter and I have never once regretted my decision. University doesnt go anywhere, but the right person might if you dont give it the chance.
Gossip Girl paved the way for YOU to be more chaotic and problematic
😂😅😊
I think Rory went down hill when she slept with her Ex boyfriend, who was married at that time.
I didn't like Rosanne after they won the lottery and had Dan cheat on her. The whole it was part of her book didn't make it better either.
When Amber from Invincible told Mark she knew he was a superhero and broke up with him he made her feel dumb.
Oh, I didn't realize we were pretending Andrea wasn't unbearable. No one filled me in.
I don't know but Scott on Teen wolf and most of the cast of the walking dead and yes spike from buffy. But that happens on every tv show that a character mess up badly you fall out of love with them.
Ross and Rachel WERE on a break!!!!!
True but his first instinct was to hook up with another woman. That was horrible
@@ZoeyKiritu he was hurting, and he had a long time crush on her b4 Rachel was interested in him.
@@ZoeyKiritu He was drunk, and had been dumped by the love of his life. He thought it was over, and was hurting hugely, and responded to someone who actively went after him not the other way around. It's not great, but it's understandable.
Wait wait wait you're telling me that the woman from Weeds, who played Jenna Malone's mother in "Saved!", marries a DEA agent played by the Pastor in "Saved!" Whom she ALSO falls in love with in said film????? That's WILD casting fun.
Michael killing Libby and Anna Lucia didn't make me hate him. i understood his desperation to save his son. He wasn't in his right mind and was somewhat brainwashed by the others and promised his son would be safe. I actually ended up sobbing when he came back and tried to redeem himself.