Altra Escalante: Why this is a GOOD shoe for YOU
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Join coach Eric Orton, author of THE COOL IMPOSSIBLE and World renown coach in Born To Run, as he discusses training, performing, and all things running.
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Eric is the former Director of Fitness at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, World renown running coach, international speaker/author, and has operated his online coaching business for the last 20 years.
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Thanks so much Eric…I love the concept of every step being strength training.. I want to go totally minimal but seems like I’m a way off that…these could be the perfect transition shoe for me.. cheers!..
Right on and be sure to check out Born To Run 2 which dives into all of this. We actually recommend the Escalante in the book as the best transition shoe.
Can every step be strength training?
Yes
It feels like I can understand everything you are saying in this video. I recently got away with max cushion shoes. I realized my leg muscles only had gotten weaker in them. My running form compromised. I made a radical change by turning to zero cushion Vivobarefoot shoes. I can run like 10 miles in them now, but they are a bit too harsh for distance running as I still get blisters. Just got my Escalante Racer today in hope I could run many more miles without blisters while TRAINING MY LEGS EVERY SINGLE STEP as you say. I won't waste my time any more.
I believe many people fail their zone 2 or Maffetone training because they run in *wrong* shoes.
I did the same transition but find Vivo barefoot easier to run in and causing less issues in my calfs compared to A Escalante.
I trained in carbon running shoes when I had a calf problem. 6 weeks later I still had the injury and my feet were weakened . Going to continue in zero drop. I actually have the escalate racer.
thanks for sharing your experience with carbon plated shoe!
@@BornToRunCoach My right foot (since running in zero drop ) can't make up it's mind how to hit the ground. I've noticed it changing in mid air. Things have begun to improve as I allowed the foot to do it's own thing. The correct use of the foot was therefore impaired while running in the carbon shoe for 6 consecutive weeks. This impacted on the whole natural dynamics of my legs.
A few short 5 mile runs in my zero drop, and things are slowly getting better. My feet and legs maybe getting stronger.
I have the Racers and the 2.0
Thanks eirc, what size would you recommend for running marathons? Compared to the length of the foot, how many cm more to consider when choosing the size?
Hey Eric! I'm running on Escalante 2.0 for past 1800km and love it. I'm looking to upgrade to Escalante 3, but this model has much stiffer sole. Should I just buy a new pair of 2.0 instead?
Hi Jakub - I am not sure as I have never used the Escalente 2.0 - only the racer which has 2mm lower stack height. I would say if you like the 2.0 and can still buy it stick with it as long as you can.
@@BornToRunCoach thanks!
@@tactical_hen heard that the 2.5 is way better than the 2.0, look up some compatison videos. i for one will get the 2.5 instead of the 2 or 3
Hi Eric, what's your opinion on Vivobarefoot (Primus), have you tried them already?
I tried Vivo about 10 years ago and they just didn't fit my skinny feet very well. And they are too minimal for my trails. Sorry not much help here, but one of my run campers this year used them and loved them.
@@BornToRunCoach Yes, they are pretty wide which is one of the main reasons I like them. Thanks, I was just curious!
Hi Eric, I'm a bit confused in your post on the 14 of August you said that the Inov8 Terra Ultra 270 was the shoe you've been looking for, for years and it was the best all purpose shoe you'd come across! So in your opinion are the Altra Escalante a better shoe than the Inov8. Thanks as always.
Hey Robert. Apples and oranges. The Escalante are road shoes and the Inov8 are ultra trail shoes.
@@BornToRunCoach Thanks Eric for the clarification , I some how missed that detail. Hope you and your family are well.
Buy both you won’t regret .. inov = quality and the sole last forever !
Well put... just bought and reviewed the Olympus 4 - love zero drop ... so natural and primal . Love to “embrace the space”
Just started following you too... 👍
Hi Eric. I have one foot (right) that has a high arch, while the other foot (left) is 'normal'. Running store gave me custom sole, but I see you advise against it. I wanted to ask if you'd recommend zero-drop shoes for someone with one foot having high arch?
Thats a BUFF shoe! Much PUMP
Thanks for the video. I have 2 pairs of Escalante shoes the last 5 years or so. I no longer go for Altra. The main reason is that the quality has dropped drastically. My 2 pairs of Escalante (1.5 and 3) gave up on me during my long runs. The rubber pieces at outer soles literally dropped off one after another.
Give Xero Shoes a try for a more minimal, strength experience
has it grip on basketball inside court
I really appreciate the review. I feel like I learned a lot about it. Anyhow, I'm not much of a runner, but I'm looking for a shoe that's me feel comfortable just for every day while being on my feet all day. I work with special needs kids out in the field. I also want to feel comfortable walking long distances. For example, taking my daughter around in amusement parks, things like that. Should I try this? I've only worn regular shoes before, like Adidas and Nike. Or go for something with more cushion? I'm a total noob. I lift and play basketball. Average shape (out of shape as of late for me). Never worn a zero drop or barefoot shoe before. Willing to take long patient approach to get used to it.
Right on. Definitely look at Xero Shoes. They will be perfect for what you are looking forward and strengthen your feet while you are at it. They have a variety of athletic and casual shoe options.
I just bought a pair of Torins as my first zero drop shoes. I thought the Escalante would be the one for me, but I didn’t like the feel of the knit upper. Too loose feeling. Once I’m stronger and comfortable running in them, I might check out the Escalante Racer as well.
I know what you mean. I have skinny feet so they are a tad loose for me too. But have found they fit most runners really well. I found the Torins to be too high, so let me know how you like them.
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Born To Run Coach Eric Orton They are feeling great so far! After reading The Cool Impossible this summer I have been following your advice to start transitioning to forefoot running over the past few months in my ‘regular’ shoes (NB1400). Starting in the Altras has not felt like as dramatic of a change as I thought it might, but I’m slowly easing into them still. I do think I will like a lower profile once I’m stronger though. I’ve always tended to gravitate toward lower profile shoes to begin with.
@@dd-qk7vz this is great. Keep me posted and keep running strong!
@Cosimo yes have multiple pairs. I used to love them but as my feel continue to get stronger found I didn't like the waved cushion and started causing unpleasantness.
I do most of my runs in Xero Shoes now and for longer days will slip on Inov8 Trailfly 270.
Thanks for chiming in. Sportiva used to be my go-to mtn shoe because they fit so well.
@Cosimo my typical go to size is 11 but I take a 11.5 in Sportiva. For Xero I have sized down and use a 10.5 in the Mesa and Zelen. Hope this helps.
Hi Eric! I run in a pair of Nike pegasus turbo 2, but I would like to transfer to zero drop because I have a problem with shin splints, overstriding and overpronation. Do you think Escalante would be a good choice for me to help me fix those problems? Thanks :)
Yes, I think a change to the Escalante coupled with foot strength and form would be a good triple attack for this. Keep in there will be a transition time needed going from a 10mm drop of the Nike to zero drop, so if you have the book be sure to follow the transition program or just start very slowly with 5-10 minutes runs at a time.
Go for it.
Born To Run Coach Eric Orton Thank you so much! I have the book and will follow the program :D
Can you use correct toes in escalate racer? I am us 7 wide in new balance shoes. Would I go for 7 in these also? Thanks
I cant find the Escalante Racers anywhere these days. Such a shame because i really want to buy them and try them out. I have heard so many good things about that specific shoe! And i heard the Escalante 3 is not that great.
Altra as the Racer available on their site. Also, if you want to try and true minimal shoes, checkout Xero Shoe. They are great, but more minimal. See link in description. Run Strong!
I went to zero drop escalante when I got serious about running this summer! I have the 2. I love it!
What are your thoughts on the Nike Pegasus 37? Not a full on review, just quick opinion
Awesome. What would you say are the differences between the two shoes? Which one do you prefer?
I don’t have the Pegasus 37 but am considering getting it on sale. My current Altras that I got this summer are nearing 200 miles. So I might get another pair of those and the Pegasus. But idk if I’m just wanting the Pegasus cuz they look cool, haha
darkest video on youtube
Man you gotta hose your racers off. They clean up in seconds
I have the escalate 2.5, but I'm getting blisters on the ball of my foot. Any ideas? Do I need to try a different shoe or can I fix it?
Couple of things to be aware of. You might be over striding BUT pointing your toes upon landing in an effort to strike eith your forefoot, and therefore causing your foot to slide forward a little causing friction. And with the wide toebox could be getting alot of movement and that slide forward???
And/or could be keeping your heel off the ground when striking the ground, causing stress and irritation to the forefoot.
Hope this helps.
@@BornToRunCoach thankyou for the helpful reply. So it is more than likely my form rather than the shoe. That's great, I can work om that 👌
@@jakeflintfilm I would start there and see if you are reaching out a little and pointing the toes when you land. Especially if you might do hills and lots of downhills where the foot could stride forward as you land. Be aware of this on your next run and see if this might be happening. And if the wide toe box of Altra is new to you, this could be why.
how does these shoes fit the foot? I usually wear the number Us 8.5, but with the Altra king mt 2.0 the number US 9 suits me. Are these shoes bigger than the King mt 2.0?
Escalantes are TTS
Hi, do you think the Escalante sole would be OK for light trail such as dry dirt tracks with lots of gravelly small stones or would this likely wear it out too quickly?
I think it would be fine but more trails will certainly shorten the outsole life. You might look at the Altra Superior which is the trail equivalent of the Escalante.
@@BornToRunCoach OK thanks.
What cap and socks are those?
Thanks. really want to try these out.
So, the Escalate vs the Inov8 TerraUltra G270 (earlier review of yours) - what splits the two? Would you choose them for different purposes or people?
I would say the Dynafit is a speed specialist and the Inov8 a great all rounder. If I had to only have one, it would be the Inov8, more versatile. The Dynafit runs very very nice, but is firm with more protection, therefore might limit how long you run in them. And just the opposite for the Inov8. The Inov8 could be one of the best shoes in a long long time.
Oops, I thought you were asking about the Dynafit. The Escalante is a road specific shoe and the Inov8 is a long course trail shoe. Apples and oranges.
Thanks!
Nice sunnies , Oakley Holbrooks ?
I'd like to know but no it's another model
I found it ! It's called Targetline
@@leonisbacher1772 well done for finding that , thank you
@@JB-uv1cg haha it took me a few days lol
@@leonisbacher1772 great work 😉
The escalante racers are solid shoes. I would never go less stack height than these. I think these off just the right amount of rebound and protection.
Unless you want to add in some strength running for true strength. A pure minimal shoe can be a great strength tool.
@@BornToRunCoachtrue. As someone who is curious about more minimal shoes, being heavier (about 210lbs) would minimalist shoes work for me? Maybe if I start walking first before I try running?
would you also recommend Altra shoes for Trail Run, Racing, every day Training, etc? I just bought Hoka One shoes because I had shin splints and plantar fasciitis, and now I am confused about which shoe is best?? Is a big cushioning not better for people with injuries? Thanks
I would check out this video of mine and scroll thru my videos in general, as there is a lot on your question.
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Hope this helps.
If Hoka works for you, thats wonderful. You dont need to shift to another brand that worked for others. Unless otherwise, hoka is lacking