RDNA 4 FULL SPECS LEAK! AMD Confirms N48 | Zen 5 UPDATE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2024
- Today is another interesting day for AMD RDNA 4, as the FULL SPECS for AMD's next gen of GPUs has LEAKED, and AMD have seemingly confirming the existence of the RDNA 4 N48 graphics card, as well as a fresh update for Zen 5. Join us as we examine the latest leaks, including a RDNA 4 hardware specs UPDATE which seemingly leaks the FULL specifications of RDNA 4, more discussions on the expected gaming and ray tracing performance, as well as a seeming confirmation from AMD that N48 SKU does exist for RX 8000. RDNA 4, while not targeting the flagship, is still highly anticipated as it will be targeting the very popular mid and budget range of MSRP pricing.
We also have a small update for Zen 5, and some less than pleasing patents from Roku.
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Every day he hopes I have an amazing day...
That's dedication right there.
Crap, I thought he was talking to me…😢
And that's a bad thing?
Does it work?
Youre so damn negative that you DONT want him to wish you a good day?
All those reviews for the 4080 Super with the RX7900XTX missing on the benchmarks because It is faster. Nvidia must have paid big money to keep the RX7900XTX off the benchmarks.
We need N44 to match the performance of the RX6800 non-XT at 250$ and the N48 to match the 7900XT at 500$
I doubt that N44 can reach the 6800. It has the same configuration as the rx7600. So assuming rdna4 gets a 20% performance increase per compute unit, it should be around the 6750xt in 1080p and significantly worse in 1440p and 4k, due to the small 128 bit memory interface. Raytracing will be better, but that's quite useless on such a weak card.
@@Psi-Stormsupposed to be faster than 6750XT, I believe that it will be same performance as 7700XT. I may be wrong though. That is what I have been hearing.
8600 will be 6700xt level with 12vram and Under 150w
8700xt will be 6800xt level
8800xt will be 7900xt with 16gbvram
@@mrshinobigaming8447 Navi44 has a 128bit interface, so only 8 or 16 GB options for the 8600/9600 card.
@@mrshinobigaming8447 8800XT will have , at least 20Gb ! The 8700XT will have 16Gb !
If the 8800xt is slower than the 7900GRE that would be funny. Then the 6800xt, 7800xt and 8800xt would all perform roughly the same.
That would be nuts if that were to happen. It has to be above 7900 GRE but around(slightly below at worst) 7900 XT to be worth it.
@@mitu123Copper It will be faster than 7900 GRE as Navi 48 will be clocked easily above 3 Ghz according to leaks
@@dhc48 Ah, really? That should be the case then. At the right price I could buy it.
@@mitu123Copper They dont even have to release it if its just 7900 gre level, that would make absolutely no sense, the market is flooded with cards at that level.
@@Genjuro77 Yeah, I agree with you. It's why I think it should be stronger than 7900 GRE.
7900 GRE level is not enough for a midcore GPU basically releasing in late 2024/early 2025 and which you plan to keep for 3-4 years, thats basically just a tiny bit faster than 6800xt which you could get for $450-$490 for the last year. It needs to have at least 7900XT performance to even haven some kind of impact and relevance, there are tons of affordable cards in the 6800XT/7900 GRE range. It needs to have 7900XT performance with better RT and lower power consumption for $599 max.
600 would be kinda a lot since the 7900 xt alrady is at 700 and will be cheaper by the end of the year.... max 500.
Roku did release terms update that you couldn't skip. You needed to agree to terms other than when you bought TV or it's disabled on agree screen. You couldn't back, you couldn't change source. Just the company you absolutely don't buy from
I'll never buy anything from them again
Unless its 7900xt performance with better raytracing for less than 500, it will be a failure. Better off waiting for Blackwell instead.
I'm hoping $500 would be the max for it.
Ikr. I've put enough of my faith in AMD. 7800xt was underwhelming, 7700xt and 7900xt were horribly priced, fsr is still garbage and ray tracing performance is tragic. If they don't strike big with navi then I'll gladly sell my soul to nvidia.
It's good that Roku patented it. That means they can prevent other manufacturers from trying to push adds while paused.
So just buy something beside Roku and you shoukd be fine unless the manufacturer licenses the tech from Roku.
"When the villain accidentally does something good"
😅 lol
So basically you're saying Roku to a hit for cosumers hahahahaha
It's not practical with the way everything works today, but it would be nice to have upgradable ram on gpu's. Or at least a way to add a fast cache between gpu ram and the rest of the system via a sodim or two. Especially with api that lets games smartly upload everything to that. Could you image if all the models and textures for a game loaded into the gpu expansion ram as it started up and the game never needed to stream the textures out of storage or system ram? It wouldn't even have to be much faster than pulling from system ram, just simplifying that and speeding up what needs to go over the pcie connection and not having to wait on even a fast ssd would do wonders for the 1% lows at least and likely the avg fps as well.
i cant believe the n48 core is supposed to fit 64CUs, the memory interface and the infinity cache into 240mm² monolithic. this seems impossible
The 2770 and 515 numbers are "Effective memory bandwidth" in GB/s, not GPU Clocks. It relates to Infinity Cache I believe
If 515Gbps the memory bandwidth, it is way too slow. Even with 18Gbps chips you can surpase this bandwidth in a 256bit bus.
Is IFC having its own frq or it's tied to the core frq? N44 seems to have 20% faster IFC while n48 somehow stay the same
@@fluffyRabbit01 I said "Effective memory bandwidth", 515 GB/s is for the smaller chip N44 as the standard memory bandwidth is 288 GB/s
@@puduan2702 I tried to find a way to calculate this with no luck:
But you can see on the official AMD site for "Effective Memory bandwidth":
7800 XT (Navi 32) = 2708 GB/s
7600 XT (Navi 33) = 477 GB/s
Navi 48 = 2770 GB/s
Navi 44 = 515 GB/s
@@dhc48 that actually makes sense ya. Given that it'll have infinity cache.
All the watts posted that Navi48 reaches 50TFLOPS (probably FP32) at 215W board power. If we assume same IPC as RDNA3 that gives us a clock of 3.05GHz. That is RX 7900XT levels of performance at better efficiency and smaller area than Lovelace. If Navi48 is indeed a 240mm^2 monolithic die, that would probably make it cheaper than Navi32 and it would allow AMD to be really price competitive if needed.
The truw successors of rx480 and 580 coming. Awesome cards that performed way above their weight. Cant wait for these
Yeah. Maybe amd will launch a super duper overclocked rx 8800, name it rx 8900 ( along the lines of the rx 590). Even better, imagine two 8800 chips glued together (mcm)!!
240mm^2, so it's a toaster's GPU? That's smaller than the GPU in most smart fridges.
I think with thier new drivers to release after launch of these that youll get even more overall performance and 1440p gaming will be minimum you can achieve at highest settings in thier lowest sku.
2770 will be the effective bandwidth from thr IC + memory. Same as the 515 on the n44 spec. You can cross reference this by looking at 7600XT vs 7800XT specs on AMDs website.
Everyone email Roku customer service, and tell them you’ll organize and participate in a total boycott of Roku products if they move forward with ads on pause screens or begin capturing the HDMI data in any capacity.
nice to mention indeed that in the current days it is much better for most gamers that there are much better value gpu's rather than highest end gpu's.
aiming at the mid end allows for all gpu's in a lineup to be much cheaper, even gpu's of the same performance, since with many gpu generations everyone tends to pay a lot to get those flagships to look cool, while in reality with modern day pricing almost noone actually gets the highest end gpu's.
I'm hoping next ryzen significantly ups the sweet spot speed for ram and supports max size dims in all 4 slots. say 7gts vs current 6 and full 128 gb per dim.
I really wish they would have made a medium to large die that was even on par with a 4090. Price it at like $900 just to sum what stay in the game. Kinda sad really.
They have to do AI. It’s becoming increasingly important, even in games. Otherwise Nvidia will curb stomp AMD for years to come.
Nobody tell Roku why this is bad, let them do this so we can show them later.
Who in their right mind would buy a TV that can start forcing extra adverts on you?
Just realized.. Radeon 8/9000 is a sales demonstration for the next gen consoles. Its the size and price they are looking for, and AMD wants to demonstrate what they can do with monolithic. Meanwhile they figure out if they want highend with chiplets in the future.
Last time I heard rumors about RDNA 4 are AMD only makes 8800XT and below, are they still on track for this?
Currently they are so far.
I’m hoping them focusing on midrange cards makes Rdna 4 not a repeat of this generation from both amd and nvidia. Any cards lower than the 70 series weren’t much of an upgrade from last gen in performance.
The 7600 brought around 3060ti performance to $270. The 3060ti had a fake msrp of $400. Which Nvidia never managed to sell it at, when it was current.
Looking forward to seeing the performance of a 9800x3d paired with a 5090
Pihole is almost a necessity
Easily $250 and $500 cards for the die size
It wouldn't be 2-3 minutes before ads. I can imagine it would be seconds. This is a profit making feature so they'll want to maximise its use.
Not RDNA4 Highend but an RDNA3/4 Hybrid (as in the PS5 Pro) to fill the gap until the RDNA5 launch.
So less rasterization and better ray tracing? Pretty much Nvidia 40 series cards performance now?
What are you smoking 😂
4000 was legendary generation, 70% more performance than 3090ti, lol!!!
@@789uio6y I never said it wasn't, I was referring to them claiming the new AMD cards were going to be less raw rasterization and better ray tracing. AMD touts RT is a gimmick yet their new generation card is going to be just what they claim the 40 series is.
32wgp 64cu 256RT units
192bit 693gb/s gddr7 (no amount of fiddling with 256bit+gddr6=693gb/s?
2770mhz boost would matches my calculations
About to watch, please tell me N44 will have 16gb ram...nope
7900XT performance at 500$
7800XT performance at 370$
Would make these cards no brainer buys
Same, would buy a gpu with 7900 XT performance for that price.
A 240mm2 die that suppose to perform better then a 7900xtx??
I find that hard to believe...
7900XT and given how close an OCd 7800XT can get it is not that far fetched.
RDNA 4 N48 is the GPU PS5 pro GPU is based on according to the numbers. Noice.
It's time for the people to unite a fight to ban ads
I WOULD BE MAD AT THE ADS ALSO
If RDNA4 can match RX4080 but cost RX4070 price & power and so on down the stack they will sell well. I think AMD will try to launch 1st then cut prices as RTX50s launch. I don't see Nvidia doing GPUs for less than 4-500 so that's where AMD will fight it out with intel 12:51 for now as Nvida racking it in from AI no need to cater for high volume lower profit gamers.
I agree the roku patent is annoying, however, i usually pause something to:
Go to the loo
Make food
Hang washing out
Etc, therefore most of the advert time, i wont even be in front of the telly, so technically it's a waste.
Can AMD recover from this and atleast be a competitor for Nvidia? I love Nvidia but I do not trust them having a monopoly over gaming GPU cards for enthusiasts...
They kist couldn't get top tier multichip to work they could compete next year with rdna 5
I've been reading in yt comments that amd is much better so surely, nvidia is the one that needs to catch up
The problem is that people want AMD to be competitive so that they can buy cheaper Nvidia, even when AMD was better.
Now that Nvidia is massive, there is no way AMD will be competitive.
AMD doesn't have to be super competitive in the halo line. How do you think they stayed profitable all these years with their tiny desktop market share? It's because that's not their lane. The console market is basically theirs. The server and mobile pc markets are basically theirs. The iGPU market is theirs. I buy high end parts but enthusiast level cards are horrible price to performance wise. I couldn't care less if Nvidia were the only ones donkey f**king their fanbase up there. How many AMD users would even be willing to buy that shit? AMD's come-up was riding the wave of the poor and downtrodden. People want deals from AMD not highway robberies.
@@damianich4824Aside from being cheaper AMD isn’t better at anything.
I have an solution don't buy ROKU and if you have it throw it out the window.(just Kidding ) get yourself a really good Pc monitor so you do not have to use ROKU.
Basically.
People get hung up on names. If the card provides a good jump in performance and efficiency at the right price, then you could name it the 99999999900 XTXX Plus Pro. I would have liked to see crazy high-end cards, but realistically, I don't want to spend the money on that. Get the upscaling right so I can pretend to run games at 4K on my TV, get the price of the next cards right, and give me a good enough performance gap to upgrade, and I'll be happy enough.
Its not a RGT video unless at least 5 basicallys are thrown in there 😂
Love the vids tho
What's roku?
budget tv brand
@@tomgreene5388 Thanks. I've never heard of it, doesn't look like it's available here.
that HDMI thing ins not gonna fly in the EU
Guys, I need some help! I sold my 3070, and I want to buy a new GPU. I don't know which one I should buy. (I'm buying it now because I live in Brazil and I'm going to the US this month) so i cant wait till the new gpus, should i buy the 7900XT or the 4070Ti, i just have $700 to buy it more then that it will be to much for me
7900xt, no card at that price point should have less than 16gb VRAM
@austintaylor3746 That makes sense. I'm going to play on an ultrawide monitor and I will start learning Blender too. For a beginner, I think an AMD card will not be a problem.
@@VainaBorges 7900xt definitely should be great for 1440p ultrawide gaming. I can't speak on using the card for Blender but it should be useable enough for learning.
If you need the VRAM for all those creative apps and AI that leverage CUDA and tensor cores, I'd choose a 4060ti 16gb. It's slower than the other Nvidia 12gb cards until the VRAM buffer gets wrecked.
you make a good point. I don't use AI, but CUDA is part of my workflow in After Effects
4070 ti super.
Highly Devious Media Injection method's gonna suck. Spammin ads on somethin, only makes me want less of it. Also, I like my 7900XT.
do you like RT in your card ?
I don’t have a Roku tv bc they are crap but WHY would anyone buy a tv that has that ad feature?!
A SKU of 240mm its way less than... Navi 22 (6700 XT) of 336mm2. Feels bad, like they are selling way less silicon for ...more money. Now argue its more performant (Oh, THANK GOD...)
Best thing it could happen is to find in their next lineup of GPU things better than a monolithic 240mm2 die....🤞🙏
5nm cost almost double than 7nm.
If AMD want to make noise since they aren't doing full high end this time or even using gddr7, just put LOTS of ram on their cards. 4x2gb on their 30-40 level cards, 5x2 on their 50 and 60 class, 8x2 on their 70 class, and 10x2 on their 80 class and their halo 16x2. Don't know if that's possible or not, but it would get them some kudo's and help make up for the other two stumbles this next gen.
so u want them to lower gaming performance to accommodate less than 1 percent of their users. Genius
@@yevnal3609 WTF you talking about? more ram does not lower gaming performance. Unless it's a cooler design issue where things are over heating. But that's a cooler design issue, not a ram issue. In fact it can do quite the opposite for ram demanding games. Unless you though I was advocating smaller bus widths by using 2gb chips. That's just being realistic, but if they can do those sorts of ram values with a wider bus I'm o.k. with that as well. Of course all this presumes reasonable pricing.
@@kaseyboles30 You don't even need more than 24GB of VRAM for gaming right now. It'll be a waste unless you have insanely fast GDDR6 which is the only thing that can increase performance if we suppose about same architecture as RDNA 3 (but GDDR7 will be faster regardless on equal memory buses).
They could try to promote ROCm or productivity with that, but anything that uses that amount of VRAM runs better on Nvidia GPUs, or you could use an AMD alternative solution that is as fast or even faster if you're ready to tinker around (most people won't do that).
There are also software like Blender that will just be faster on Nvidia GPUs regardless of what you do with your AMD counterpart - the 7900 XTX is single-digit % faster than the 4060 Ti in Blender 4.0 meanwhile the 4090 is about twice as fast as the 3090, which is still untouchable for AMD in this use case.
So now, AMD will need to step up their game in productivity performance in addition to giving much more VRAM ? That'll be expensive for us.
@@rinsenpai135 Yeah for just gamming more than 16 gb is probably more than needed for how long the card will be otherwise fast enough.
That said I was looking more at wowing and number baiting higher sales (like how mhz and ghz used to be for cpu's).
Absolutely agree AMD need more things like ROCm, preferably built into the drivers in many cases. It's be a win for AMD various pros could just grab any amd gpu and not worry about cuda support.
They also need to invest heavily in getting native amd support into all these CUDA only applications, if they had done that a few years back I might never have bought the 3060ti I'm using in the one machine now as otherwise I could have gotten a more powerful amd a the same price.
@@kaseyboles30 your vram plane is stupid.
Easy.... Just correct the RX 7900 series problems below 👇
- Lack of features
- Horrible "video playback" power consumption (TH-cam/Netflix/VLC etc.)
- Useless "chiplet" architecture
- OverPriced... and the cards will be flying of the shelves.
a lot of people will not buy an 8gb gpu ever again and n44 bus width suggests 8gb. it better be $200
simply up the supply voltage and current (POWER) will reduce significantly and in reality your still consuming the same current over a day how thick are the supply cables because it's getting a bit out of hand now.........when we rekon it will be 1v 85A cause thats a welder.....PMSL😂🤣😅🤣😂
Not first!! 🎉🎉🎉
I am done with 250 mm² dies, or even smaller. It sucks! We need a $300-350 mm² and 320 bit memory bus. So I will pass for RDNA4 and make do longer with my 5700 XT and upgrade for RDNA5 if AMD doesn't f up then. Make it a bit bigger, make it last longer! The die being even smaller than 250 mm² is just rubbing salt into the wounds.
ROKU has always done really shady things. They are a terrible company and their products are sub par as well.
Steam data says that most people uses a 3060, so anything in that territory is more than enough. But AMD problem is not just pricing or performance, it's DRIVERS and FEATURES, in both cases nvidia has a lead, also in performance, and people complain "expensive" when the Dollar today has a fraction of the value it had 15 years ago, and they want prices from 15 years ago, ABSURD. If AMD brings better features and drivers than Nvidia I switch back to AMD, I was on AMD the last 15 years and switched to nvidia now because of these issues.
software part of AMD is garbage.
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N48 will be slower than 7900xtx/4080 which means it will be on par or slower than ~$600 5070 so it should cost ~$500.
But if Nvidia goes crazy again and will make the 5070 for $700 then AMD will price its card at $650 and will call it a day.
We don't have competition any longer. One corporation is setting stupid prices and the second one blindly follows.
This market is broken.
this reminds me of intel arc hype from amd rdna4 this year..delays and driver issues due to architecture is very alien to rdna3 by this point.....it will take years for driver mature for this architecture , just like intel did for arc...2 years of optimizing rdna4 to get peak performance from horrible design by amd radeon group while lisa su does not care for radeon at this point when radeon group is now skeleton crew by 3 people working only...she is more concern anything is ai now
8600 = 6700xt
8700xt=6800xt
8800xt=7900xt with 16gb vram
8900xt= 4080s+5%
8900xtx=4090
Dont get your expectations high
I would be happy for 8800 XT at 7900 XT performance depending on the price.
There's not gonna be a 8900 XT/XTX... haven't you been paying attention?
@@laszlozsurka8991 hello fellow time traveler
Someone has to keep nvidia in check... They ruin things for consumers if they have a monopoly on the GPU n APU market
Pricing! Pricing! Pricing! That is all the gamer crowd rants about, when will they learn that AMD is on its way to becoming a dead horse because they should be upping, not cutting prices. Go full bore AI, price their GPUs more like Nvidia, and invest the money they make into engineers, new factories, and people to go out and integrate their products with companies like Microsoft, Adobe, and Autodesk. AMD can't compete on the high end unless you don't count all of Nvidia's advantages, and the low end is being challenged by Intel who are looking to move into the midrange. AMD needs to make money, and they need to reinvest that money -FAST!
people annoyed by ads that are forced on them?
that would be first. People love it so much they come to throw gifts at company windows, like bricks and bottles of wine.
lets play this super loud screech ad for 37'th time, he seems to doze off.....
if im playing a game, then pause for a few minutes I am not normally at the monitor so the ads are fkn useless.
I guess its just for the stoners having a cone they will be forced to watch an ad while they toke.
If I had to guess:
Radeon 8800XT - $499.99 - Performance between a 7900GRE and a 7900XT...leaning toward the 7900XT
Radeon 8600XT - $299.99 - Performance between the 7600XT and 7700XT...leaning heavily toward the 7700XT
Thoughts?
This is what I think as well and I hope this ends up being true.
Hopefully both cards will have at least 16gb of ram, no more 8gb cards at least.
Again is to much.
Maybe they will sell GPU in America.
In EU they will not sell much.
Cos on top this MSRP here value added tax 20% + seller margin ~20%
So 8800XT will be 650-700 eur, 8600 XT - 370-420 eur.
No thanks.
@@oswaldmosley6179 8800 XT(if called that) will have at least 16GB just like 6800 XT and 7800 XT. It could have more VRAM but 16GB is the minimum to expect.
I feel like the 8800xt would have to at least match the 7900xt to be worth it. As for the rx 8600xt, if it matches the 3070 ti in performance for $300 then that would be amazing.
Fifth, basically.
STOP IT! With the 128bit memory bus cards! We want newer cards in the low to mid range to have a lower tdp and msrp compared cards of the same performance from the previous gen. HOWEVER! When these new cards are choking on the bandwidth of a Sega Dreamcast, they end up being WORSE than older cards. The 2080ti>3070>4060ti. We all know Nvidia is going to pull this shit, but with AMD’s market share being so low for so long, how do they justify these obvious failures to exploit Nvidia’s weaknesses to their shareholders? How are AMD shareholders satisfied with their sub 20% market share?
AMD were the one starting the low bus thing with RDNA2. Nvidia just follow suit on that front.
@@arenzricodexd4409 not to mention the PCIE x4 bs AMD pulled with the low end of RDNA 2
mb
It seems barely better than current gen.
128-bit cards with 8 GB should be dead in late 2024 / early 2025. AMD not competing with NVIDIA on the high end is a wasted potential. RTX 5070 will literally have no competitor.
welp. dead generation. already on 7900XTX ,
40 fps in RT . yeeks.
Roku wants their stuff banned
if its slower than a 4090 im done with amd
it is.
amd gpu department is shit. they keep trying to to find cost saving manufacturing methods , then over charge for and underperforming gpu, and act like they cant compete, when they dont really try. Going to be funny when intel beats amd in gpu lol.....
First
first
Too slow!
@@stevensmith6445 yes of course. Just a few seconds😄
@@Hannnescraft007 Horseshoes and hand grenades buddy.
your plosives and noise levels are killer on the ears... very unpleasant. very distracting from the content.
F roku. Don't buy any of their garbage.
Rdna 4 will certainly have a minimum of 40/44 cu gpu, absolutely guaranteed,otherwise they will not bother releasing a new gen for such bottom of the barrel specs.
Higher efficiency and lower prices are reason enough.
@@badass6300 Yep, that's the main appeal of these gpus.
@@badass6300 that's still doesn't seem like a valid reason to waste so much resources to launch entry level gpu's. Certainly not from a major player like Amd, if it was intel that could have been applicable. With the current estimates Battlemage will easily beat Amd and I just don't see Amd just accepting the L without a fight.
@@arky9002 AMD and Nvidia both stated in 2016 and 2017 respectively that 90%+ of people buy GPUs under 400$. Adjusted for inflation that's 525$(rounded up).
Yeah there is plenty of reason for AMD to launch cheaper versions of the same GPU.
The RX 480 was as fast as the r9 390x, but they released for a little over half the price and power consumption it and people loved it. It wasn't as fast as the Fury/Nano even.
7900GRE = 6900XT