@@GalironRunner I was in the generation that went from SLR 7.62 carrying 4 mags 20 rounds plus a Bandelier of 50 rounds to the sas80 6 mags of 30 rounds. the later was def' lighter. although I did miss the SLR "kick"
thats not really a bad thing. we want to have the best military on earth and realistically carrying more ammo (and by extension, being able to send more ammo at the target) has been proven, mainly during WW2 to be very effective
I deployed to Iraq with the 19 y/o version of Chris. He was a great Soldier. Great attitude and personality. So good to see him having success in the media world which was his passion back then!
Thank you for your service. Also, I personally appreciated his jab at the military-congressional-industrial complex with the coment, "old skull and bones friend, they decide to throw the procurement money to". The mad lad has been to the puppet show and saw the strings. BOHICA
I'd go with the sig as well for the reasons you stated. Plus the advantages of the rounds, which is what most military minds are wanting now, accurate and powerful rifles. But we are talking about a top brass that picked that god awful digital camo pattern back in the day.
@@pauledwards9493 key word wear in video games in Real life fuck no I wouldnt wear that xD I might aswell wear all red with a bullseye painted on my chest
I’m convinced by the SIG as well. Caseless ammo is still too untested, plus that texatron looks like a beast to handle. The GD ejector looks like a pain to shoot offhand or as a lefty.
The Textron and the other one seem to bulky and one has a bull pup which are not good for reload times. The SIG has me swooning because of its design and looks easy to use. I’m with SIG 😂
eventually, some big military has to take the leap into caseless for the rest of the world to observe and decide whether they too will jump aboard the new tech.
I will say that I can appreciate the army trying this out before full committing to replacing a completely function albeit old weapon. The SIG does look the most interesting to me.
@@antonioarroyas7662 then they will calm that design old and discard it while still searching for that wonder weapon to replace 'yee old m4' after all, the m4 will never be officially replaced, change my mind
@@gjallarhorn4534 The logistics, infrastructure, politics, it's all just a big show. The M4 is gonna be around for another 20 years. We'd need to see a major revolution in technology before something new comes along.
The Marines may not get the green bean coffee shops and the Burger kings at their FOB's, but they are always well-armed. I'll bunk with the marines as my first choice always, no slight to the Army, Air force and Navy. The Marines are warriors, not soldiers. They don't take s##t, they dish it out to our enemies.
Takin' something from SIG isn't new for the U.S forces. They swapped out the Beretta M9 pistol for the SIG Sauer P320 three years ago.. Or better to say SIG won the contest for the contract and the replacement is in progress. Their pistols are developed and built in northern Germany. Although they've announced the shutdown of their German facility due to economical reasons. The laws here in Germany make it too difficult to supply the competition shooters and law enforcement in a way, which is beneficial for their company. I would shutdown those facilities as well if they don't make enough profit to benefit the whole company. That would be one more top notch company that Germany loses because of ridiculous laws around gun manufacturers. The same laws are the reason why H&K can't provide more civilian models of their systems for the international market, because they are just not allowed to export more. This explains why their guns are so expensive. They have to make the best profit within the limit they are allowed to export. If they were allowed to export as much as they wanted, oh boy I would love to see what else they would sell... Therefore German facilities are too expensive from the economical point of view because they just can't sell, export and produce in a way which has positive effects for the company.. Sad but true and I am happy that those two brands won't die because of that. SIG and H&K already have facilities in the U.S (SIG has its primary facility in Switzerland as well) and it is only a matter of time until H&K leaves too, if you ask me.
I actually carry a Sig pistol (P229 in 9mm) that was produced at the Sig facility near Epping, New Hampshire (their actually factory isn't in Epping, but that's where the training center that I've been too far too much is at). It's a wonderfully machined piece of engineering. While the mechanism is simple, shocking for a German firearm (I'm joking!), the machining is gorgeously done. Even without lubrication every piece slides effortlessly, and you can tell the tolerances are absolutely perfect. The ergonomics are absolutely perfect: even in a rapid draw from holster it feels like the grip just settles perfectly into your hand and in a natural draw your trigger finger settles perfectly just above the guard. Glock designs perfectly adequate firearms. They'll get the job done, and will do so reliably. I feel like a Sig is a perfectly functional work of art: it'll get rounds down range, but it'll put a smile on your face while you're doing it (assuming your shooting at paper or steel, obviously). Just my two cents. Obviously, this is a subjective opinion, but I also really prefer the weight of a full steel handgun to a plastic frame. There's something about the weight of my Sig in my hand that says, "Hey, this is a lethal tool, respect it!"
Probably a similar situation in Germany to what we have in the UK regarding handguns, with the 2012 Olympics apparently they had to do a whole assault course of paperwork for the pistol shooting athletes to A) train in the first place and B) allow foreign teams into the country with equipment.
@@zeqillanes4312 M14 is more difficult to manage than an M4. The EBR version which is basically the modernized rifle, is only suited for DMR roles. The best bet is to just take the M4 platform and chamber it in 6.8. Or take the page from ArmA 3 and go slightly more ACR route
@@zeqillanes4312 Weight is the most important factor of a military firearm. It determines your ammo count, your tactics, and how the gun preforms. IIRC, the M14 (Like the Garand, albeit the Garand is a weapon of it's time) jams incredibly easily. Where as even the original AR-15/M-16 from vietnam could run while covered in mud (It's biggest issue was the fact they ditched the chrome parts, and didn't issue cleaning kits). A DMR makes a poor main infantry rifle, and it's also why practically no major nations right now have standard issue full size rifle caliber rifles. An M14 for todays world would be a horrendous rifle for standard infantry use primarily due to weight. Why have a full sized rifle round that has the same, if not worse, penetrating power than say a 5.56, 5.45, or 6.8? You can carry significantly more ammo Not even just IRL, even in bloody games it's true. In ArmA 3, in proper milsim, you aren't gonna carry an M14 when you have an M16 available, and you aren't the DM, why? Because I can carry sometimes up to TWICE the ammo.
In my many years in the Army, one thing I've learned is that any weight savings you get from new equipment/tech, is ALWAYS offset by piling more crap on you...
@@chrisspere4836 the whole thing is like that bro. The military, government, and all the other companies are in one big system just designed to make money and maintain the the way thing are. Basically all the wars we've had rn were/are a farce, intentionally put there to create conflicts, control the flow of relations, make money, ect, not actually needed. And so unfortunately young and good men are shipped overseas to kill and die for no reason
You're not thinking like a congresscritter on the appropriations committee. %40 lighter ammo means there's now more weight for pointless electronic gewgaws or some other useless garbage that can be made in [X] factory in Senator Dipshit's state for some sweet military contract money that's just waiting to be skimmed.
@@ItsTheSmurf 1. The original poster was referring to the firearm firing caseless ammunition, not the ammunition. Yes, the ammunition is caseless, but the firearm itself doesn't leave cases. Thus one could call a firearm shooting caseless ammunition, a caseless firearm. 2. I'm aware that the definition of gun relates to stuff like the guns on ships. General public uses the term for gun to refer to firearms. Thus, we can't give shit for people who don't use the industry vocab. What I'm saying, get your head out of your ass. Outside of grammatical mishaps, everyone understands what the op is saying. The sentence is only a nightmare on grammatical basis, but you try to use your understanding of firearm terminology to seem smarter.
On a serious note, I wager we have made big progress in energy batteries by the time of 2080. Railguns or Gauss guns might be up for consideration. Heavier weapon but you only need to load bullets. No casing or propellant.
Brass conducts a lot of heat. Every time you fire a round that's a lot of heat taken out of the weapon. Plastic just does not have the same heat conduction. That heat will stay in the weapon. The 2 plastic bids will run very toasty imo
If you ever run out of fuel to cook your bacon, just dump a magazine into the ground and put the bacon on the barrel. I think the plastic bids double as a bacon cooker.
Precisely. Ejecting brass casing shed a lot of heat that would otherwise be trapped in the gun. As long as you rely on explosive ammo and rifling (friction), caseless ammo is a pipe dream. Once you switch to mag-rail, railgun or coilgun however all those deadends vanish.
@@PipoZePoulp - not sure if you're being hyperbolic or you just didn't know that caseless ammunition and a rifle capale of reliably firing it was developed and partially adpoted 30 years ago.
Well actually, perhaps that is actually a plus, since the heat is better retained in the plastic bullet and better directed to where you want it rather than with Brass - heat dispersion in all direction. Plastic therefore could offer less rifle overheating. The heat energy ideally wants to be directed out the end of the barrel with the bullet for maximum efficiency. just my two cents - right or wrong.
@@MrLeighman metal is a higher conductive value then plastics. But they both have the same propellent there for they will generate the same heat. Metal is better for getting red of the heat able to take a higher temp faster then chuck it out the gun. Think heat sinks and car radiators.
You've got to be careful about galvanic or "bimetallic" corrosion when you couple two different metals. Steel typically doesn't play well with brass because it has a different electrode potential. That ammo probably won't have a great shelf life. Look up images of galvanic corrosion and you'll see why. It doesn't take much moisture and the moisture doesn't have to have that many impurities before your ammo starts looking like a crusty old battery.
you could just paint or otherwise coat the ammo, galvanic corrosion only happens in the presence of moisture and oxygen. thus if you coat them in paint or some other material they can't corrode.
The "clip" he refers to in this video is actually closer to a recess in the brass that locks to a steel rim on the base. It is much stronger than his description.
I haven't even seen it but that's how I'd have designed it if I had to (its easy enough to have a machine that squeezes it in in such a way that no way in hell is it going to let go)
What would that do to shelf life of this ammo. A couple of years you will open a can and they will all be rusted. Plus this ammo may be bad for a Shipboard use with the Sea Spray.
@@dnkrlng : With the steel and brass combination, I think the brass will tend to degrade while protecting the steel to some extent. There might be some white rust buildup on the steel. But the real problem is the brass beginning to be depleted in thickness. Similar to the way zinc coatings act as an anode tend to protect steel. Its something that needs to be tested certainly. Its hard to know sometimes how these things will realistically behave over time. Whether pinholes might develop for instance and how good the brass is.
@@banan4990 Yeah that's the main reason the UK still holds onto their bullpup. Despite the horrid ergonomics of the control locations around the gun the A2 and A3 versions are at least reliable now and having a short package rifle for mechanised infantry while still keeping a nice long barrel for effective range is a worthy compromise.
I cant, as long as the clearance of the round is balanced properly it should be damn near impossible to double feed (would that be the correct term?) And expel a live round. Granted, that does also depend on the QC and condition of the round
Damn, the background is improving. I loved it! (And a little reminder, channel is getting bigger. Don't forget the old subs, we are always here to support you!)
@@dalegribble8657 Well, first off they scrapped it. Even they thought it was stupid to make those kinda things. Second, fcs probably had some aluminum foil so emp wouldn't do jack shite.
Or just shooting around the opposite side of something (sure it is changeable)... Brass from your weapon if you shoot opposite side or lead from their's if you lean out to shoot normal
First versions of L85 Endeavour had that massive problems. All depends how casing is ejected. Some firearms use small pieces of metal to direct where brass will go. Look for example for PM-63 RAK that casing is ejected from almost top of SMG
Most bullpups can be configured to eject from either side. The problem being, even as a right handed shooter, if your clearing a room and swap shoulders to clear a corner on your left, boom brass in the face.
@Matt I was shooting a 50 years ago in service that the barrel was reciprocating. You could shoot all day and not be sore. But then they took it away from some of us because we wanted power and bitched constantly lol
The Russians were developing a similar system, I think it was called the AK-94. It had to replace the AK-74. It never went in production due to cost and the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Honestly the Sig's seem like the best bet familiarity with huge advancements in performance while the bullpup seems meh at best the rounds being spit out near your face seems like a huge drawback to me and the caseless ammo seems like a huge risk for reliability of the ammo its a plastic casing so dirt and grim could stick to it making jams and poor feeding a problem not to mention how humidity could affect it all in all Sig seems like its just better in every way except for weight reduction although still better than current compared to the others it would still weigh a slight bit more
The Sig's popularity's obvious for all the traditional reasons, and they aren't bad ones, however "OMG plastic will melt and jam, gotta be metal!" ignores some realities and/or makes some assumptions. "Plastic" covers an enormous range of properties, and temperature stability is one of them, and thermal conductivity's another. Those aren't miniature 1l. soda bottles going in there. As for the dirt/grit complaint, keep in mind that ejection takes place from a completely different chamber, so it would have a hard time working up through the flow cycle back to the firing chamber. Any grit would have to enter through the magazine, and since it's an electrical ignition system rather than percussion we have no way of knowing the operating tolerances in there. Their system might simply be less vulnerable to grit than traditional cartridge systems. And finally, I consider the "pollution" objection in the OP to be a red herring, to an extent. Yes, brass can be policed up at the firing range, but who goes back to police it off battlefields? Metals can leach worse toxins into nature than plastics as they degrade, "more natural" here's a null term, because brass isn't natural and metals are seldom found in their pure metallic form in nature. The plastic casings may be easier to clear than metal jams, too, we didn't get to see all the details WRT that. We'll have to see.
Textron just made their crap overcomplicated and it requires proprietary rounds. Stuff that you most likely can only buy from them, as the probably have a patent on it. They just trying to scam the Goverment (tax payers) out of money.
Caseless ammo was literally the entire point of the military contract, if someone presented an option with traditional ammo it wont win. That is why the Sig won.
and also i feel a big downside to plastic casing or cáseles is heat displacement. meta casing are amazing at that but how well can these new rounds get rid of heat? how long until they start to overheat when shit hits the fan?
If you've ever seen the movie Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins, there is a part in the movie where the government contract went to the lowest bidder for a new rifle, and it was malfunctioning and killing soldiers because of weak and cheap parts.....scary prediction.
@@friendguy13 Not even just for weapons. Pretty much for anything the military outsources. Ironic, since most militaries seem to not care at all where their own budgets go to...
I am Canadian I don't believe we have to ramp up our military because if there's ever a war and we want to go to war we will go to war with the British because we are part of the Commonwealth therefore went work and always will work with any British forces but it would be cool if we had a better military
That reciprocating barrel is nice, good to see them bringing back old paratrooper weapon designs. We used to have guns like that in WW2 and they are really accurate.
I mean, we don't know how much energy this telescopic casing can absorb, and whether the moving "ejector" also has its role in transferring the heat. But I would still guess that the Sig wins since it is much more simple and similar to the existing rifle.
8:17 Holy crap that personnel carrier looks clean and comfy from inside, i would like to get some US soldiers to take a trip in our Pasi (XA-180)😂😂 US thing even got soft seats in there and room to sit straight with your helmet on and everything 😂
@@troymash8109 we also got a "heater", it blows warm'ish air when you are driving at full speed and it blows cold air when the vehicle isnt moving fast enough/sitting. Really nice for arctic climate at winter when you are sitting in a vehicle for 6-8 hours a day... Its sad that our tanks got better heaters and air systems than crew transporters😂
@@ristusnotta1653 LOL, When I was stationed in Colorado we'd congregate behind the M1 Abrams in the winter. That turbine engine would keep ya warm from 20 meters away.
From what I've seen is the Sig round is pressed together, no clip to hold the elements. The 338 Magnum medium machine has greater range and penetration than a M2, which is pretty amazing for such a lighter weapon, plus it's also reconfigurable for 7.62 rounds and one other I can't recall. Sig's entries overall are really impressive weapons and seem slightly better than the GD and Textron's.
As cool as a new rifle will be when finally adopted, I remember getting to shot an XM8 around 05 or 06 and being excited. We all know that never came through.
When hk designed the g11 (also can caseless) the never had a problem with melting plastic the only problems they had were that the caseings could possibly crack (this barely ever happened). Fun fact the g11 was wery close to being adopted by the US and if you want more info about it watch forgotten weapons video on it. The g11 was originally designed in the 60s/70s and plastic has gotten a lot better since then so the reliability of the rounds shouldn't be a problem.
Fun Fact Canadians Did many war crimes in the first world war including the Christmas Truce Where they put grenades in presents. I know it has nothing to do with the topic above but why not everyone who replies to this comment just comment random intresting facts just for the hell of it let's start the train going!
I would have an issue with the General Dynamics system since I am a left handed shooter. Never had an issue when I transitioned from the M60 to the M249 and then migrated to the M203/M16/M4. But since it ejection port is so close the rear of buttstock, I think I would be getting alot of brass close to the face.
I'll be real here: -I'd prefer guns with simple mechanics for ease of maintenance. -Smart ammunitions is a waste of resources, just practice and rely on your skills.
@AL HASSANE BARRY why waste your resources improving the projectiles when you can make devices that would improve your aiming. But then again I'm merely pointing out the fact that the only thing you can truly rely on in battle... Is you.
M16 will still remain in service, as there's nothing that's so significantly better, that it warrants a replacement. The Army's replacing LMGs and SMGs, not the M16.
I apologize if I did make a mistake but can you people not try to start an argument in my replies. Go give each other a discord tag or something, period no debate.
Seeker HUN M-16 is an awful and unreliable weapon and in retrospective an inferior weapon to the the AK74 in all the most important features that a soldier wants, they really do need to change this weapon.
Well yes and no. Sig won the contract to replace M9 sidearm with the M17 & M18 versions of their P320 9mm. They are a finalist in the this contract contest and are the most likely to win. We know this because Sig was asked to bring the carbine platform and the M338 as well as the squad weapon. Textron and GD only have squad weapons in the contest.
@Jason Dubya-DEEZNUTS M4 needs an upgrade though although you probably won't get one until Colt Canada does something. They also want to upgrade bullets because they need more kinetic damage downrange. 5.56, 5.45 and 9mm are great at penetrating but don't like to actually put things down (most terrorists don't wear body armor so it's overpeneing targets having minimal damage on methed up targets). This is why the .300BO and 6.8mm are being looked at (already tried to replace them with the scar but that didn't really work out since FN didn't want to actually start fixing them until recent). As for the .338 Lap that ammo is just godly which is why they want more of it lol. Same reason the Russians are back to looking at 7.62 and 9x39 & upping the fire rate to 700 with the Ak-15 and Ak-12.
Yeah, it's probably meant to be maintained similar to how the G11 was. The G11 was a nightmare internally, so it was designed to actually not be disassembled by soldiers in the field at all. You just opened a little hatch and stuck a brush in there, and that was that.
I’m all for the hybrid cased ammo but case-less ammo (textron) makes me nervous for a variety of reason. This seems very ambitious. Didn’t HK do this with the G11? Pretty sure the General Dynamics suppressor isn’t made by general dynamics. Is actually made by Delta P Design.
Source? I couldn’t find anything relating to the army making a final choice. Personally I think the textron rifle should be went with, while it is jarring and a great leap, that’s what the army usually does (M14 to M16) Plus 40% less weight on the ammo means 40% more ammo in a fight. (Or other stuff the army decides that you require to have when you fight)
Textron, I'd have to see it. Our guns overheat to the point where we cant fire brass rounds. I dont have faith in ammo incased in plastic. Sure they can say, we fired a rhound rounds on the range before the heat started melted the rounds, on a good day in the best conditions. I'm spit balling here, this isnt accurate by any means, just an example.
Would love to see a 2-3 mag dump with that poly case ammo, then let it sit and cool down with a chambered round. Even with brass or steel cased you can have a cook off in a super hot chamber. But my fear is the polymer bonding to the chamber.
@@salthack the m107 is different the other still use a gas system the m107 uses the recoil of the barrel to operate the system. its hard to tell but it looks like the the General Dynamics bullpup uses short recoil like the m107.
Yes, the brass ejects there, BECAUSE IT ALWAYS EJECTS ABOVE THE MAG. The bolt hast to extract the casing from the chamber and eject it before stripping another round off of the top of the mag. The best way to do that is to have the brass eject on the rearward stroke and pick up the new one on the forward stroke, as minimizing the travel of the bolt reduces wear on the carrier group, heat, size of firearm, weight, and felt recoil. Keeping travel down also increases the cyclic rate and helps keep the muzzel rise down by virtue of the center of mass changing less while cycling. The ejection port will always be just above the magazine on any firearm (notice pistols also eject above the mag as well) that uses a bolt that both ejects and feeds. The exception proving this rule is (I think) the ARX-160 that ejects from the front to make it more ambidextrous
@Nick Rodriguez You're correct. So was alot of types of weapons. This change should've happened along time ago. Conventional forces truly needed this years ago.
Here are some links regarding the SIG SAUER weapons and hybrid three part ammunition they make: SIG SAUER MG-338 Machine Gun, MG-6.8, MCX-SPEAR Next Gen Weapons System - ShotShow2020 - TH-cam SHOT Show 2020: 277 SIG Fury Ammo - TH-cam My only criticism on the SIG design is that high pressure will cause deafening noise with a 16 inch barrel so you must have a suppressor on the gun. This in turn will make it impossible to have a bayonet installed. True, bayonets are out of fashion but they may come in handy on some occasions of close combat if you run out of ammunition. Other than that, I agree with you in regard to the SIG weapon. I think that the U.S. army will make a decision regarding their new rifle by this summer.
Ruger 45 I’m pretty sure he does know what a bullpup rifle is, as he has to have handled one while being in the marines. He even talked about how the mag is behind the pistol grip.
godawa -d I hope you’re trolling, because if you isn’t, a door has a higher IQ than you. A pullpup gun is where instead of having the traditional mag in front of the pistol grip (looking from the barrel/break and down) you have the mag behind the pistol grip.
I spent 15 years in the US military, until I became disabled. I foresee the Textron having multiple problems, just like the M-16 had in the beginning. The first few years of the new M-16, it was a real POS, with multiple malfunctions, jams, hang fires & etc. I preferred a M-14, it would fire even in the mud like the AK-47. The Sig Sauer looks Awesome & is easy to switch over from the M-16 platform. The General Dynamics "Bull Pup" design is a proven design, I don't think that there will be many malfunctions with this weapon, we will see how the new ammo holds out.
I came up with a new drinking game. Whenever you say, "At the end of the day...", everyone takes a shot. I'm drinking bourbon and don't expect to make it through 3 videos. Cheers, mate!
15:33 the leap slowly creeps in. When new weapons are issued, they dont just give a whole company new weapons. They start it out as like 1 man in a squad/fireteam gets the new weapon to test out. So i dont think the leap will be a big of a problem as you think
@@geraldhoskins2021 i love using mason jars. if you're so inclined you can poke a small hole in the lid and have a covered glass too. And they're solid af, so when my drunk ass inevitably drops it I don't have to clean glass up
I'm curious if the metal is even touching. They describe them as being connected with a "clip." I would guess that the clip probably sits between the two metals preventing contact.
Also, a lot of people don’t realize just how much of a difference a few pounds in a rifle makes. For example going from an all wood Vietnam era M14 to a modern day M4/AR frame, it’s a massive difference
The main concern I can see with the sig is that it's belt fed so it can be prone to a round cooking in the barrel after a couple hundred rounds or hot barrels (if you can even swap them). So if that round does split and combust, in theory, you'll have a lead round going in one direction and a steel round going in the other.
I'm only 2 minutes in and have never really heard anyone say they didn't like sig unless they were fudds. But I had to give up when you were confused by the bullpup...
The only mark against thier products was thier initial step into the 1911 market with thier "blackwater" line from what I'm aware of. Never shot one but got a tacops years about 8 years ago and I was sold! They killed it and every sig I've fired since has had me extremely impressed with thier bang for buck! That's includes thier sig556 rifle.
Yeah, the manufacturer kind of shot themselves in the foot by getting too greedy. The XM8 didn't use standard picatinny rails or standard stanag magazines, meaning the US would have needed to not only replace the rifles, but also replace their accessories and mags, which severly compounded the cost of the weapon. On top of that, the polymer frames were cheaply made and supposedly melted during long periods of fully automatic fire. Making the weapon suitable for U.S. military use would have required the whole rifle be redesigned, and good luck trying to get HK to admit there's anything wrong with any of their weapons. Bright side, though, the gun still exists. Apparently the Malaysians were happy enough with it and adopted it for their special forces.
@@Adanu191 By all accounts it wasn't that great at working or functioning either, particularly given what the German military discovered about H&K's melting polymer rifles out in the sandpit. US might well have dodged a bullet by not adopting it. Looking stupid is just a layer on top of that.
Former grunt and other work - I really like that SIG overall! Couldn't agree with you any more on all points! While I love the lighter wait of ammo, what I really look for in my round is the improved kinetic energy and accuracy at contact. One well placed powerful shot will end a firefight much more quickly than spraying and praying - all while expending much less ammo. This all helps me live a longer and happier life!!
OriginalHuman: Accurate bursts, see where you're shooting America: Decreases fire rate on m16 to decrease shots per confirmed kill Trees: Laughs in Vietnamese America: Never happening again(spoken in a-10)
"is the round plastic?" our military is experimenting with caseless ammo again(they tried it out in the 80's with the H&K G11, didnt work out sadly) in an attempt to make a new standard battle rifle thats both light and packs a punch while still being dead accurate at long range with as little recoil as possible
He was employed by the military, he became a veteran, then some pencil pusher noticed that his employment papers were not kosher, he wasn't technically employed by the military, so they retracted his veteran status. Bureaucracy is a bitch.
Sig really has got their shit together these past couple few years and really started innovating and listening to the market, civilian and otherwise its nice to see. The modularity of the pistols is awesome, the price point is nice,, quality is nice, and now they are selling fcus so you can just do it how you want right away. Cool stuff.
The problem with caseless ammo is that the weapon overheats quicker, the germans learned that when they tried to make their rifle. Plus the textron seems over engineered.
imagine the leap when we develop an infantry ready energy weapon platform, weapons more modular than the ar or scar. an energy weapon can be a SAW, CQB, Marksman, sniper, or a shotgun depending on the components
Yeah, not happening any time soon. You basically need a mini nuclear reactor to power such a weapon powerful enough to actually do any damage. Wouldn't even be a good idea to try till solid state batteries become a thing for vehicle weapons. Even still, a gauss rifle or rail gun would be more efficient. Basically put, the gauss is likely the better weapon of the future.
@@GameFreak7744 In theory solid state batteries would solves this but I wouldn't keep your hopes on those any time soon. I'm just saying energy based weapons are not a near future technology. Hell they might not even get into vehicles till I'm in my 40s-50s.
The reason the Textron ejects the round separately and loads a new one in like that is because the plastic rounds aren't strong enough to withstand the heat/pressure of firing, so if you look you'll see the chamber is entirely a solid cylinder that rotates out of position to eject and load a round, so the strength of the plastic isn't an issue. It shouldn't affect firing rate because it's not true to say it's an extra movement - it's actually the same. Normal rounds are ejected when the bolt comes back to pick up the new round and the round is loaded when it slides forward - in this the bolt moves back, and then both loads the new and ejects the old when it slides forward. Still a single sliding action. Strength of the plastic round may be an issue when pushing the next round out but I'm fairly sure a round packed with metal and powder will be solid enough to push an empty shell out of the way.
You can already own a civilian variant. Although it’s not chambered in 6.8mm. Sig’s bid is based on their MCX line of rifles, the bid is called the MCX Spear, but the rest of the MCX line up is readily available to the public already. Also, owning a 6.8mm rifle like that would suck. Ammo would be impossible to find because it literally doesn’t exist yet lol.
@@jonnoble6643 why not tho? I thought the Steyer AUG proved bullpups could be viable... Although I'll admit I might just be defending it because I like bullpups :D
Subwya now, I don’t hate them all that much. I used to dislike the M16 a lot more than I do now, but at least what I’ve heard from some EU buds, their Bullpup is pretty unergonomic, super hard to reload
The round you were asking about, the TEXTRON 6.8 is covered in Polymer but separates once the you fire the weapon! They also have a clear version of the Polymer where you can see the gun powder and actual round. The polymer around it is to basically just protect the rounds/casings.
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Just a point of order... the Textron ammo is not 'caseless' ammo, it's telescoping. The bullet is nested inside the cartridge reducing overall size. Previous attempts at caseless ammo were also telescoping ammo, but turns out making your cartridge entirely out of propellant generates 'issues'. Modern polymers are very heat-resistant but more importantly Pressure resistant, there is an upper limit to how much oomph you can put into metal cased ammo before the metal becomes fluid.
Case-less Ammo: 40% lighter, YAY!
Infantryman: Sweet, less weight!
High Command: 40% lighter eh? That means that they can carry 40% more ammo!
that would likely be the point remember one of the reasons 556 was chosen over a 762 was the weight allowed them to carry more 556.
@@GalironRunner I was in the generation that went from SLR 7.62 carrying 4 mags 20 rounds plus a Bandelier of 50 rounds to the sas80 6 mags of 30 rounds. the later was def' lighter. although I did miss the SLR "kick"
thats not really a bad thing. we want to have the best military on earth and realistically carrying more ammo (and by extension, being able to send more ammo at the target) has been proven, mainly during WW2 to be very effective
Those are rookie ammo numbers, you gonna have to pump those ammo numbers up.
@@thomasfromswindon7609 and stopping abilities when it comes to a Toyota HiLux!
I deployed to Iraq with the 19 y/o version of Chris. He was a great Soldier. Great attitude and personality. So good to see him having success in the media world which was his passion back then!
Thank you for your service 🇺🇸
Thank you for your service.
Also, I personally appreciated his jab at the military-congressional-industrial complex with the coment, "old skull and bones friend, they decide to throw the procurement money to". The mad lad has been to the puppet show and saw the strings.
BOHICA
Thank you for your service, and question, what armed force did you deploy with and what operation?
I hope he sees this comment!
Thank you for your service!
Caseless ammo isn’t new. The Colonial Marines have been using 10mm caseless rounds in their M-41 Pulse Rifle since the 80s.
Underrated comment, made me chuckle!
T&P kept saying "caseless" when it's technically still plastic cased telescoped ammo.
Since when has half life 2’s pulse rifle became a thing
Mostly for bug hunts though.
@@edruiz6364 or to save a bunch of colonists daughters from their virginity
Finally, a new gun to add to the fps games
yep lol
Yup, Just wait
Well, The Kilo 141 on Warzone is technically a HK 433, which is pretty new...
Mod community : "interesting"
arma 3 already has a gun that looks like the textron
I'd go with the sig as well for the reasons you stated. Plus the advantages of the rounds, which is what most military minds are wanting now, accurate and powerful rifles.
But we are talking about a top brass that picked that god awful digital camo pattern back in the day.
UCP camo looks very ugly not gonna lie but idk I find it appealing to wear in video games because its unique
@@cyberfire7191 I know what you mean but tell that to the troops that were compromised by it in the field.
@@pauledwards9493 key word wear in video games in Real life fuck no I wouldnt wear that xD I might aswell wear all red with a bullseye painted on my chest
@@cyberfire7191 haha true!
@@cyberfire7191 At least the enemy won't figure out who you are that easily
I'll stick to my super soaker thanks
ESO Wait your here?
Wyd lol
ESO bruh, omg I’ve been watching your guides for a couple years man. Thanks for the hidden weapons. 😂🤣😂
The hell? ESO, why are you here... hmmmm?
I’ll stick to my pressure washer
I’m convinced by the SIG as well. Caseless ammo is still too untested, plus that texatron looks like a beast to handle. The GD ejector looks like a pain to shoot offhand or as a lefty.
The Textron and the other one seem to bulky and one has a bull pup which are not good for reload times. The SIG has me swooning because of its design and looks easy to use. I’m with SIG 😂
eventually, some big military has to take the leap into caseless for the rest of the world to observe and decide whether they too will jump aboard the new tech.
I don’t like the plastic part either
The caseless ammo have safety issue. Back to the development of G11
Raiden Vu me too, afraid it’ll melt or break easily
Imagine getting shot by a dude in sandals and an ak47 because you need to completely disassemble your textron to clear a jam.
MCX Spear is the way to go in my opinion.
Look at the tactical rifleman video on the disassembly of the textron rifle. It's actually not that complicated to clear a jam.
I presume it's designed that way to prevent jams, but I think my favorite is the GD.
I will say that I can appreciate the army trying this out before full committing to replacing a completely function albeit old weapon. The SIG does look the most interesting to me.
I agree, the SIG looks like the most "viable". By the time they work out a reliable design it will probably be 20 years LOL.
@@antonioarroyas7662 then they will calm that design old and discard it while still searching for that wonder weapon to replace 'yee old m4' after all, the m4 will never be officially replaced, change my mind
@@gjallarhorn4534 The logistics, infrastructure, politics, it's all just a big show. The M4 is gonna be around for another 20 years. We'd need to see a major revolution in technology before something new comes along.
@@antonioarroyas7662 I compleatly agree
Interesting would be Textron and General Dynamics. SIG is the one that looks like the old stuff just with updated tech.
the Marine Corps will get these 47 years after the army.
The Marines may not get the green bean coffee shops and the Burger kings at their FOB's, but they are always well-armed. I'll bunk with the marines as my first choice always, no slight to the Army, Air force and Navy. The Marines are warriors, not soldiers. They don't take s##t, they dish it out to our enemies.
The Marines have their new M27s.
Heck. My unit (act army) just got M4s like a year ago.
Rangers lead the way
Aren't you guys still using m1903s?
5:34 I like how they use “World of guns: Disassembly” to show the M16’s mechanisms... I loved playing that on Steam
Takin' something from SIG isn't new for the U.S forces. They swapped out the Beretta M9 pistol for the SIG Sauer P320 three years ago.. Or better to say SIG won the contest for the contract and the replacement is in progress. Their pistols are developed and built in northern Germany. Although they've announced the shutdown of their German facility due to economical reasons. The laws here in Germany make it too difficult to supply the competition shooters and law enforcement in a way, which is beneficial for their company. I would shutdown those facilities as well if they don't make enough profit to benefit the whole company. That would be one more top notch company that Germany loses because of ridiculous laws around gun manufacturers. The same laws are the reason why H&K can't provide more civilian models of their systems for the international market, because they are just not allowed to export more. This explains why their guns are so expensive. They have to make the best profit within the limit they are allowed to export. If they were allowed to export as much as they wanted, oh boy I would love to see what else they would sell... Therefore German facilities are too expensive from the economical point of view because they just can't sell, export and produce in a way which has positive effects for the company.. Sad but true and I am happy that those two brands won't die because of that. SIG and H&K already have facilities in the U.S (SIG has its primary facility in Switzerland as well) and it is only a matter of time until H&K leaves too, if you ask me.
I actually carry a Sig pistol (P229 in 9mm) that was produced at the Sig facility near Epping, New Hampshire (their actually factory isn't in Epping, but that's where the training center that I've been too far too much is at). It's a wonderfully machined piece of engineering.
While the mechanism is simple, shocking for a German firearm (I'm joking!), the machining is gorgeously done. Even without lubrication every piece slides effortlessly, and you can tell the tolerances are absolutely perfect. The ergonomics are absolutely perfect: even in a rapid draw from holster it feels like the grip just settles perfectly into your hand and in a natural draw your trigger finger settles perfectly just above the guard.
Glock designs perfectly adequate firearms. They'll get the job done, and will do so reliably. I feel like a Sig is a perfectly functional work of art: it'll get rounds down range, but it'll put a smile on your face while you're doing it (assuming your shooting at paper or steel, obviously).
Just my two cents. Obviously, this is a subjective opinion, but I also really prefer the weight of a full steel handgun to a plastic frame. There's something about the weight of my Sig in my hand that says, "Hey, this is a lethal tool, respect it!"
Probably a similar situation in Germany to what we have in the UK regarding handguns, with the 2012 Olympics apparently they had to do a whole assault course of paperwork for the pistol shooting athletes to A) train in the first place and B) allow foreign teams into the country with equipment.
The army is putting all this money into testing these weapons but in the end will probably just rechamber the m4
Is bringing back the m14 crazy? Update the the weapon a bit? Make it lighter? Just a thought
@@zeqillanes4312 M14 is more difficult to manage than an M4. The EBR version which is basically the modernized rifle, is only suited for DMR roles.
The best bet is to just take the M4 platform and chamber it in 6.8. Or take the page from ArmA 3 and go slightly more ACR route
the M14 is a steaming pile of garbage.
No Thanks I am interested to hear why you think so? How is it worse than the m-14A1? (Other than weight)
@@zeqillanes4312 Weight is the most important factor of a military firearm. It determines your ammo count, your tactics, and how the gun preforms. IIRC, the M14 (Like the Garand, albeit the Garand is a weapon of it's time) jams incredibly easily. Where as even the original AR-15/M-16 from vietnam could run while covered in mud (It's biggest issue was the fact they ditched the chrome parts, and didn't issue cleaning kits).
A DMR makes a poor main infantry rifle, and it's also why practically no major nations right now have standard issue full size rifle caliber rifles.
An M14 for todays world would be a horrendous rifle for standard infantry use primarily due to weight. Why have a full sized rifle round that has the same, if not worse, penetrating power than say a 5.56, 5.45, or 6.8? You can carry significantly more ammo
Not even just IRL, even in bloody games it's true. In ArmA 3, in proper milsim, you aren't gonna carry an M14 when you have an M16 available, and you aren't the DM, why? Because I can carry sometimes up to TWICE the ammo.
In my many years in the Army, one thing I've learned is that any weight savings you get from new equipment/tech, is ALWAYS offset by piling more crap on you...
they build their own ammo, because that's where the money is
Exactly. It'll be like printer ink.
@@marks3750 just by a new rifle when your mag runs out.
But where does the plastic come from? Ahh don't tell me. CHINA?
@@chrisspere4836 the whole thing is like that bro. The military, government, and all the other companies are in one big system just designed to make money and maintain the the way thing are. Basically all the wars we've had rn were/are a farce, intentionally put there to create conflicts, control the flow of relations, make money, ect, not actually needed. And so unfortunately young and good men are shipped overseas to kill and die for no reason
I call it the “Razor model”. The stick is almost free but you need a mortgage for the cartridges.
"I feel like I'm already won over with the Sig" Welcome to the club Luke. Happy to have you.
could you imagine trying to clear a jam in that textron?
yes, throw it on the ground and pick up the M110
This makes the fn fal not look that bad
How would that be hard ?
@@florix7889 did you not see all of the moving parts? multiple opportunities for failure
@@roscoep4850 oh yeah I thought he was talking about the bullpup my bad.
That textron sure looks complicated
I'm really interested in both what the FN design was and why it got denied so early. Most FN guns are top of their class.
Probably way too expensive to replace the M16.
FNs aren't cheap. I also imagine the changes requested to continue were to drastic/expensive for FN to continue.
How about mini fal
US Army Thought process.
"40% less weight, then we can issue 40% more ammo
40% less weight could also mean it's viable to have it delivered to troops via drones?
K B actually 67% more ammo.
You're not thinking like a congresscritter on the appropriations committee. %40 lighter ammo means there's now more weight for pointless electronic gewgaws or some other useless garbage that can be made in [X] factory in Senator Dipshit's state for some sweet military contract money that's just waiting to be skimmed.
@@Minuz1 can’t wait to order the gun from amazon
Never minded carrying more ammo. Better to have to much than not enough.
Yeah. I've watched enough Forgotten Weapons to see that this case less gun looks too complicated to maintain.
Just wait until Elon musk makes a battery good enough for a semi truck we'll have energy weapons
@@Cheesytarian God I hope you're joking
A case less gun is a nightmare of a sentence
1. It's ammunition
2. The weapons in the video aren't guns they are rifles
*P E R H A P S*
@@ItsTheSmurf 1. The original poster was referring to the firearm firing caseless ammunition, not the ammunition. Yes, the ammunition is caseless, but the firearm itself doesn't leave cases. Thus one could call a firearm shooting caseless ammunition, a caseless firearm.
2. I'm aware that the definition of gun relates to stuff like the guns on ships. General public uses the term for gun to refer to firearms. Thus, we can't give shit for people who don't use the industry vocab.
What I'm saying, get your head out of your ass. Outside of grammatical mishaps, everyone understands what the op is saying. The sentence is only a nightmare on grammatical basis, but you try to use your understanding of firearm terminology to seem smarter.
To all the military members in this chat your service is appreciated.
Service for the fake wars that put money in the hands of the rich for your lives?
There service was in vain
@@MrBooblo086 Damn u mad af
@@jimboonie9885 what makes you say that?
@@MrBooblo086 Protect from what? Guys in spandex 😂
2020: Textron bid
2080: 99% plastic
2080 99% plastic will have liquid cooling system in the gun.
@@akshaykumaar34 the liquid is gonna be sprite lemon flavour
XD
@@simmethaboi5232 crayon flavor for the marines
@@Blackbarron247 yeah !!
On a serious note, I wager we have made big progress in energy batteries by the time of 2080. Railguns or Gauss guns might be up for consideration. Heavier weapon but you only need to load bullets. No casing or propellant.
Brass conducts a lot of heat. Every time you fire a round that's a lot of heat taken out of the weapon. Plastic just does not have the same heat conduction.
That heat will stay in the weapon.
The 2 plastic bids will run very toasty imo
If you ever run out of fuel to cook your bacon, just dump a magazine into the ground and put the bacon on the barrel.
I think the plastic bids double as a bacon cooker.
Precisely. Ejecting brass casing shed a lot of heat that would otherwise be trapped in the gun.
As long as you rely on explosive ammo and rifling (friction), caseless ammo is a pipe dream.
Once you switch to mag-rail, railgun or coilgun however all those deadends vanish.
@@PipoZePoulp - not sure if you're being hyperbolic or you just didn't know that caseless ammunition and a rifle capale of reliably firing it was developed and partially adpoted 30 years ago.
Well actually, perhaps that is actually a plus, since the heat is better retained in the plastic bullet and better directed to where you want it rather than with Brass - heat dispersion in all direction. Plastic therefore could offer less rifle overheating. The heat energy ideally wants to be directed out the end of the barrel with the bullet for maximum efficiency. just my two cents - right or wrong.
@@MrLeighman metal is a higher conductive value then plastics. But they both have the same propellent there for they will generate the same heat. Metal is better for getting red of the heat able to take a higher temp faster then chuck it out the gun.
Think heat sinks and car radiators.
You've got to be careful about galvanic or "bimetallic" corrosion when you couple two different metals. Steel typically doesn't play well with brass because it has a different electrode potential. That ammo probably won't have a great shelf life. Look up images of galvanic corrosion and you'll see why. It doesn't take much moisture and the moisture doesn't have to have that many impurities before your ammo starts looking like a crusty old battery.
you could just paint or otherwise coat the ammo, galvanic corrosion only happens in the presence of moisture and oxygen. thus if you coat them in paint or some other material they can't corrode.
In a hundred years, there will be a lock-on system in assault rifles for a real life aim bot.
and if it locks on a player behind you, you sir.. have no spine
Itz_Cycle lmao
Joachim Rama Homing bullets ? Sounds intriguing.
Smart pistol from titanfall
Everybody gangsta till the kid you bullied shows up packing heat with aim bot
The "clip" he refers to in this video is actually closer to a recess in the brass that locks to a steel rim on the base. It is much stronger than his description.
I haven't even seen it but that's how I'd have designed it if I had to (its easy enough to have a machine that squeezes it in in such a way that no way in hell is it going to let go)
What would that do to shelf life of this ammo. A couple of years you will open a can and they will all be rusted.
Plus this ammo may be bad for a Shipboard use with the Sea Spray.
@@dnkrlng : With the steel and brass combination, I think the brass will tend to degrade while protecting the steel to some extent. There might be some white rust buildup on the steel. But the real problem is the brass beginning to be depleted in thickness. Similar to the way zinc coatings act as an anode tend to protect steel. Its something that needs to be tested certainly. Its hard to know sometimes how these things will realistically behave over time. Whether pinholes might develop for instance and how good the brass is.
My real worry with this round is dissimilar metal corrosion. Steel and Brass do not like each other.
I feel like the sig bid is the logical next step up from what’s in use now, but I’ve got loyalties to General Dynamics
I want General Dynamics ammo to be used in other guns
I think that the bullpup platform can be useful in longer range combat. Its just that you have a longer barrel with a shorter overall package
yeah. GenDyn DID put the BRRRRRT in the A-10
General Dynamics is a non starter.
@@banan4990 Yeah that's the main reason the UK still holds onto their bullpup. Despite the horrid ergonomics of the control locations around the gun the A2 and A3 versions are at least reliable now and having a short package rifle for mechanised infantry while still keeping a nice long barrel for effective range is a worthy compromise.
You could almost imagine the accidental loading of that textron round.
I cant, as long as the clearance of the round is balanced properly it should be damn near impossible to double feed (would that be the correct term?) And expel a live round. Granted, that does also depend on the QC and condition of the round
Damn, the background is improving. I loved it! (And a little reminder, channel is getting bigger. Don't forget the old subs, we are always here to support you!)
The sig looks like the best to me, and I’m rooting for it. That said, I hope the troops get the best, whatever that turns out to be
The K11 really high tech with a range finder and smart explosive ammo
Explosive ammo sounds like it would just blow that person up
And it is a copy of a project the US rejected years ago namley the hk OICW.
South Korea rely on the tech way too much. That's why a simple EMP would smoke them completely
SFM TwistR yup, not a good idea to rely on electronics. Edit:unless they have like a fare day system type thing
@@dalegribble8657 Well, first off they scrapped it. Even they thought it was stupid to make those kinda things. Second, fcs probably had some aluminum foil so emp wouldn't do jack shite.
As the old military saying goes: “Ounces turns into Pounds”.
Ounces equal pounds,
Pounds equal pain.
@@FROSTYNARWALL No pain, no gain.
@@mobspeak ma back
@@ls200076 you really think that's air you're breathing?
Pride
Imagine trying to fire the General Dynamics rifle as a left-handed soldier.
Or just shooting around the opposite side of something (sure it is changeable)... Brass from your weapon if you shoot opposite side or lead from their's if you lean out to shoot normal
First versions of L85 Endeavour had that massive problems. All depends how casing is ejected. Some firearms use small pieces of metal to direct where brass will go. Look for example for PM-63 RAK that casing is ejected from almost top of SMG
SGT: Ok gents weve got a new weapons pla....
Marine: (Raises hand)
SGT: Yes son what is it?
Marine: I broke mine sir.
Most bullpups can be configured to eject from either side. The problem being, even as a right handed shooter, if your clearing a room and swap shoulders to clear a corner on your left, boom brass in the face.
you don't
left handed people don't exist
Everyone impressed with the reciprocating barrel and I'm over here still looking at the hk g11
GM6 Lynx. .50 cal, long recoil.
not well versed in guns but doesn't the m82 have a reciprocating barrel?
@Matt I was shooting a 50 years ago in service that the barrel was reciprocating. You could shoot all day and not be sore. But then they took it away from some of us because we wanted power and bitched constantly lol
The Russians were developing a similar system, I think it was called the AK-94. It had to replace the AK-74. It never went in production due to cost and the collapse of the Soviet Union.
I know right? I took mine out of the safe, check the operation and was like "it's the same damn thing"
Honestly the Sig's seem like the best bet familiarity with huge advancements in performance while the bullpup seems meh at best the rounds being spit out near your face seems like a huge drawback to me and the caseless ammo seems like a huge risk for reliability of the ammo its a plastic casing so dirt and grim could stick to it making jams and poor feeding a problem not to mention how humidity could affect it all in all Sig seems like its just better in every way except for weight reduction although still better than current compared to the others it would still weigh a slight bit more
The Sig's popularity's obvious for all the traditional reasons, and they aren't bad ones, however "OMG plastic will melt and jam, gotta be metal!" ignores some realities and/or makes some assumptions. "Plastic" covers an enormous range of properties, and temperature stability is one of them, and thermal conductivity's another. Those aren't miniature 1l. soda bottles going in there.
As for the dirt/grit complaint, keep in mind that ejection takes place from a completely different chamber, so it would have a hard time working up through the flow cycle back to the firing chamber. Any grit would have to enter through the magazine, and since it's an electrical ignition system rather than percussion we have no way of knowing the operating tolerances in there. Their system might simply be less vulnerable to grit than traditional cartridge systems. And finally, I consider the "pollution" objection in the OP to be a red herring, to an extent. Yes, brass can be policed up at the firing range, but who goes back to police it off battlefields? Metals can leach worse toxins into nature than plastics as they degrade, "more natural" here's a null term, because brass isn't natural and metals are seldom found in their pure metallic form in nature. The plastic casings may be easier to clear than metal jams, too, we didn't get to see all the details WRT that. We'll have to see.
Textron just made their crap overcomplicated and it requires proprietary rounds. Stuff that you most likely can only buy from them, as the probably have a patent on it. They just trying to scam the Goverment (tax payers) out of money.
Caseless ammo was literally the entire point of the military contract, if someone presented an option with traditional ammo it wont win. That is why the Sig won.
and also i feel a big downside to plastic casing or cáseles is heat displacement. meta casing are amazing at that but how well can these new rounds get rid of heat? how long until they start to overheat when shit hits the fan?
Thats allso asuming sig solved the overheating problem in the firing chamber. Thats what killed of the h&k g11.
If you've ever seen the movie Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins, there is a part in the movie where the government contract went to the lowest bidder for a new rifle, and it was malfunctioning and killing soldiers because of weak and cheap parts.....scary prediction.
Omg, I loved that movie. Haven’t thought of it in years.
That's not a prediction, that's what happens 90% of the time when an army adopts a new rifle.
@@friendguy13 Not even just for weapons. Pretty much for anything the military outsources. Ironic, since most militaries seem to not care at all where their own budgets go to...
Is it the movie where one of the guys has a diamond in the front tooth?
@@Wiromax3 yes
The Canadian military needs a revamp in every department.
I am Canadian I don't believe we have to ramp up our military because if there's ever a war and we want to go to war we will go to war with the British because we are part of the Commonwealth therefore went work and always will work with any British forces but it would be cool if we had a better military
No Canada only need Trevor
Double bros True. But we use the SA80 in the UK, which is really not known for reliability.
@@Blaidd_1401 yeah they got h and k in to fix them too. So they are slightly better.
@@captainsludgeslinger3272 good ol kraut magic
Luke, if your impressed by the moving barrel on that support weapon, look up the AN-94, it's a weapon with a seriously impressive firing mechanism
Caugh caugh g11 caugh
@@isakekelund6215 cough weapon that never got into service cough
Umm technically your both wrong cus the m2 browning .50 has been doing it for close to 100 years now 😂
@@fischerm4639 The an 94 is designed to fire a 2 shot burst before the user even feels the recoil of the first shot which is why its impressive
TheDoctorPretzel meh... We could never adopt an AK platform. Definitely would not go over well with the troops... or at least tje ones I know.
That reciprocating barrel is nice, good to see them bringing back old paratrooper weapon designs. We used to have guns like that in WW2 and they are really accurate.
Caseless has one huge disadvantage, cooling, when a metal case is ejected, it carries a lot of heat with it.
That problem is solvable though.
@@2020Twenty solveable, but still less effective at sustained fire. you could replace the barrel, but you can do that with cased too.
I mean, we don't know how much energy this telescopic casing can absorb, and whether the moving "ejector" also has its role in transferring the heat. But I would still guess that the Sig wins since it is much more simple and similar to the existing rifle.
Just pee on it if it starts smoking a lot. Simple fix
Isn't fouling a significant issue with caseless as well?
8:17 Holy crap that personnel carrier looks clean and comfy from inside, i would like to get some US soldiers to take a trip in our Pasi (XA-180)😂😂 US thing even got soft seats in there and room to sit straight with your helmet on and everything 😂
I served in Bradley fighting vehicles. Target profile so tall you might as well drive a building around...And the heater had one setting, Hell.
@@troymash8109 we also got a "heater", it blows warm'ish air when you are driving at full speed and it blows cold air when the vehicle isnt moving fast enough/sitting. Really nice for arctic climate at winter when you are sitting in a vehicle for 6-8 hours a day... Its sad that our tanks got better heaters and air systems than crew transporters😂
@@ristusnotta1653 LOL, When I was stationed in Colorado we'd congregate behind the M1 Abrams in the winter. That turbine engine would keep ya warm from 20 meters away.
xa-180 is still one of the funniest vehicle to drive
From what I've seen is the Sig round is pressed together, no clip to hold the elements. The 338 Magnum medium machine has greater range and penetration than a M2, which is pretty amazing for such a lighter weapon, plus it's also reconfigurable for 7.62 rounds and one other I can't recall. Sig's entries overall are really impressive weapons and seem slightly better than the GD and Textron's.
Remeber boys, KISS!
Keep It Simple Stupid.
Oh wait this is the army....
Yeah, let's go back ti fighting with spears, because they are simpler...
@@scratchy996 have you ever built a firearm? Complexity is a bad thing when it comes to mechanics on the battlefield.
BOHICA - Bend Over Here It Comes Again
Keep it stupid simple. It's simple, stupid!
maek e-z-r
11:30 technically the AN-94 did it
I thought they just had wires and a pully in the an94
damn I gotta go watch Ian's video again
As did the chauchat in 1915
And the Germans were doing it in WWII as well. It's an old, but (usually) very functional technology.
Don't forget Browning's Auto-5/ Remington's Model 11 designed in 1898.
As cool as a new rifle will be when finally adopted, I remember getting to shot an XM8 around 05 or 06 and being excited. We all know that never came through.
True however I think these are a bit less ambitious than the xm series
When hk designed the g11 (also can caseless) the never had a problem with melting plastic the only problems they had were that the caseings could possibly crack (this barely ever happened). Fun fact the g11 was wery close to being adopted by the US and if you want more info about it watch forgotten weapons video on it. The g11 was originally designed in the 60s/70s and plastic has gotten a lot better since then so the reliability of the rounds shouldn't be a problem.
Fun Fact, Textron has partnered with HK to produce the caseless ammo in their bid which is based on, you guessed it, the g11 caseless round.
Fun Fact Canadians Did many war crimes in the first world war including the Christmas Truce Where they put grenades in presents. I know it has nothing to do with the topic above but why not everyone who replies to this comment just comment random intresting facts just for the hell of it let's start the train going!
@@Rogue.Phoenix makes sense, if someone already has a "successful" design then why not ask for advice
Fun fact the Germans killed Canadian POWs in WW1
@@cyberfire7191 damn, thought they were the good guys. The poor Germans just wanted to play their soccer game
Ohhhh cheeky lighting in the background! Like it!
I would have an issue with the General Dynamics system since I am a left handed shooter. Never had an issue when I transitioned from the M60 to the M249 and then migrated to the M203/M16/M4. But since it ejection port is so close the rear of buttstock, I think I would be getting alot of brass close to the face.
I'll be real here:
-I'd prefer guns with simple mechanics for ease of maintenance.
-Smart ammunitions is a waste of resources, just practice and rely on your skills.
By your logic spears are betterthan guns!
@@arx3516 kind of because one only stops when either you or your enemies are dead, the other is when it's out of bullet
@@arx3516 the correct comparasion would be bow and gun... Kind of remind me of Mad Jack (ww2).
@AL HASSANE BARRY why waste your resources improving the projectiles when you can make devices that would improve your aiming. But then again I'm merely pointing out the fact that the only thing you can truly rely on in battle... Is you.
@@thecommentguy9380 and the lost of money
The M-16 was reliable but new technology is making them look like what the revolvers looked like during WWII
M16 will still remain in service, as there's nothing that's so significantly better, that it warrants a replacement. The Army's replacing LMGs and SMGs, not the M16.
M16 will still be used atleast in other countries who uses it
I apologize if I did make a mistake but can you people not try to start an argument in my replies. Go give each other a discord tag or something, period no debate.
@@averyconfusedknight3004 too late.
fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight
Seeker HUN M-16 is an awful and unreliable weapon and in retrospective an inferior weapon to the the AK74 in all the most important features that a soldier wants, they really do need to change this weapon.
When it comes to squad weapons ya gotta stick with k.i.s.s
Keep it shooting soldier.
I know this is an older review so I might be late but I can confirm the final decision SIG won cos that’s what they do
Not gonna happen. Just like the XM series and even to an extent the SCAR line. The M4 is too well rounded, reliable, affordable, and battle tested.
That is incorrect. They are one of three finalists.
@@98Thecodfather exactly
Well yes and no. Sig won the contract to replace M9 sidearm with the M17 & M18 versions of their P320 9mm. They are a finalist in the this contract contest and are the most likely to win. We know this because Sig was asked to bring the carbine platform and the M338 as well as the squad weapon. Textron and GD only have squad weapons in the contest.
@Jason Dubya-DEEZNUTS M4 needs an upgrade though although you probably won't get one until Colt Canada does something. They also want to upgrade bullets because they need more kinetic damage downrange. 5.56, 5.45 and 9mm are great at penetrating but don't like to actually put things down (most terrorists don't wear body armor so it's overpeneing targets having minimal damage on methed up targets). This is why the .300BO and 6.8mm are being looked at (already tried to replace them with the scar but that didn't really work out since FN didn't want to actually start fixing them until recent). As for the .338 Lap that ammo is just godly which is why they want more of it lol. Same reason the Russians are back to looking at 7.62 and 9x39 & upping the fire rate to 700 with the Ak-15 and Ak-12.
This Textron thing if i got it right looks like a complete headache to dis and re assemble!
was thinking the same thing. That loading/unloading system too... if it doesn't cycle correctly, how easy would it be to unjam?
Yeah, it's probably meant to be maintained similar to how the G11 was. The G11 was a nightmare internally, so it was designed to actually not be disassembled by soldiers in the field at all. You just opened a little hatch and stuck a brush in there, and that was that.
Forgotten Weapons is packed with drastically different designs that worked, but were just too complex to implement.
I’m all for the hybrid cased ammo but case-less ammo (textron) makes me nervous for a variety of reason. This seems very ambitious. Didn’t HK do this with the G11? Pretty sure the General Dynamics suppressor isn’t made by general dynamics. Is actually made by Delta P Design.
"How about if we put more rails on m16?"
Top brass: *PERFECT*
That's why we have switched over to the M-4
Sebastian Nikkolas I've seen up to eight rails with mlok, which is just ridiculous if you ask me.
For those wondering SIG won the bit and started to deliver these weapons.
Dammit!
Source? I couldn’t find anything relating to the army making a final choice.
Personally I think the textron rifle should be went with, while it is jarring and a great leap, that’s what the army usually does (M14 to M16)
Plus 40% less weight on the ammo means 40% more ammo in a fight. (Or other stuff the army decides that you require to have when you fight)
Makes sense
Textron, I'd have to see it. Our guns overheat to the point where we cant fire brass rounds. I dont have faith in ammo incased in plastic. Sure they can say, we fired a rhound rounds on the range before the heat started melted the rounds, on a good day in the best conditions. I'm spit balling here, this isnt accurate by any means, just an example.
@Strider 1: Trigger They didn't. They are one of three finalists.
Would love to see a 2-3 mag dump with that poly case ammo, then let it sit and cool down with a chambered round. Even with brass or steel cased you can have a cook off in a super hot chamber. But my fear is the polymer bonding to the chamber.
I would like to see this dude become a faction in CoD MW
Ya, his name is John McMillan 😉
hearing this beautiful man being disappointed when you lose would be a good motivator. just a simple "Aw lad, you've screwed up again."
11:32 , moving barrel: oh thats very cool
AN-94 from Russia: am i a joke?
The hk g11 used a similar mechanism earlier I believe
The barrett M107 already does this
@@salthack the m107 is different the other still use a gas system the m107 uses the recoil of the barrel to operate the system. its hard to tell but it looks like the the General Dynamics bullpup uses short recoil like the m107.
Yes, the brass ejects there, BECAUSE IT ALWAYS EJECTS ABOVE THE MAG.
The bolt hast to extract the casing from the chamber and eject it before stripping another round off of the top of the mag. The best way to do that is to have the brass eject on the rearward stroke and pick up the new one on the forward stroke, as minimizing the travel of the bolt reduces wear on the carrier group, heat, size of firearm, weight, and felt recoil. Keeping travel down also increases the cyclic rate and helps keep the muzzel rise down by virtue of the center of mass changing less while cycling. The ejection port will always be just above the magazine on any firearm (notice pistols also eject above the mag as well) that uses a bolt that both ejects and feeds.
The exception proving this rule is (I think) the ARX-160 that ejects from the front to make it more ambidextrous
Dont think i've ever been this early for a video :D
Same
Hahaha I feel this!
Finally, this needed to happen years ago. Using a SCAR-H was for the birds.
@Nick Rodriguez
You're correct. So was alot of types of weapons. This change should've happened along time ago. Conventional forces truly needed this years ago.
Here are some links regarding the SIG SAUER weapons and hybrid three part ammunition they make:
SIG SAUER MG-338 Machine Gun, MG-6.8, MCX-SPEAR Next Gen Weapons System - ShotShow2020 - TH-cam
SHOT Show 2020: 277 SIG Fury Ammo - TH-cam
My only criticism on the SIG design is that high pressure will cause deafening noise with a 16 inch barrel so you must have a suppressor on the gun. This in turn will make it impossible to have a bayonet installed. True, bayonets are out of fashion but they may come in handy on some occasions of close combat if you run out of ammunition. Other than that, I agree with you in regard to the SIG weapon. I think that the U.S. army will make a decision regarding their new rifle by this summer.
When your a Royal Marine and don’t know what a bullpup rifle design.
How is it possible ?
Ruger 45 I’m pretty sure he does know what a bullpup rifle is, as he has to have handled one while being in the marines. He even talked about how the mag is behind the pistol grip.
...is.
I finished your sentence for you. Your welcome. Wait...no....YOU'RE welcome. ;)
@@oscarstenderup thats what a bullpup is bruh its the mag before the pistol grip 😂
godawa -d I hope you’re trolling, because if you isn’t, a door has a higher IQ than you. A pullpup gun is where instead of having the traditional mag in front of the pistol grip (looking from the barrel/break and down) you have the mag behind the pistol grip.
The old .50 Cal M2 Browning MG "Ma Deuce" has a reciprocating barrel
I spent 15 years in the US military, until I became disabled. I foresee the Textron having multiple problems, just like the M-16 had in the beginning. The first few years of the new M-16, it was a real POS, with multiple malfunctions, jams, hang fires & etc. I preferred a M-14, it would fire even in the mud like the AK-47. The Sig Sauer looks Awesome & is easy to switch over from the M-16 platform. The General Dynamics "Bull Pup" design is a proven design, I don't think that there will be many malfunctions with this weapon, we will see how the new ammo holds out.
I used loads of sigs in the army, teached new recrute on them, realy reliable easy enough to clean and quite precise 😉
I came up with a new drinking game. Whenever you say, "At the end of the day...", everyone takes a shot. I'm drinking bourbon and don't expect to make it through 3 videos. Cheers, mate!
15:33 the leap slowly creeps in. When new weapons are issued, they dont just give a whole company new weapons. They start it out as like 1 man in a squad/fireteam gets the new weapon to test out. So i dont think the leap will be a big of a problem as you think
I love this guy's pint 'n a half drinking jar.
I suspect it’s full of shine, maybe not though, no skank face after a sip.
This sort of thing is my go to for most of what i drink . gotta love the quart size mason jars . got milk?
@@geraldhoskins2021 i love using mason jars. if you're so inclined you can poke a small hole in the lid and have a covered glass too. And they're solid af, so when my drunk ass inevitably drops it I don't have to clean glass up
On the Sig:
With dissimilar metals in the ammo, is there a going to be an issue with oxidizing ammo after sitting for a while?
I'm curious if the metal is even touching. They describe them as being connected with a "clip." I would guess that the clip probably sits between the two metals preventing contact.
@@bioforce5 unless the clip doesn't conduct electricity and keeps them separated corrosion of dissimilar metals will occur
Wonder if the expansion rate during very hot and very cold climates of the different metals could potentially be an issue as well.
That was my 1st. Concern with that ammo. Galvanic action exists. Who wants ammo that self-corodes in storage?
Also, a lot of people don’t realize just how much of a difference a few pounds in a rifle makes. For example going from an all wood Vietnam era M14 to a modern day M4/AR frame, it’s a massive difference
Feel this is the type of guy who looks friendly but can inmobilize you with two movements
I cant see the us military switching to a rifle with the magazine on the back it would screw up everyone's training I really like the sig honestly
The main concern I can see with the sig is that it's belt fed so it can be prone to a round cooking in the barrel after a couple hundred rounds or hot barrels (if you can even swap them). So if that round does split and combust, in theory, you'll have a lead round going in one direction and a steel round going in the other.
It's open bolt
I'm only 2 minutes in and have never really heard anyone say they didn't like sig unless they were fudds. But I had to give up when you were confused by the bullpup...
The only mark against thier products was thier initial step into the 1911 market with thier "blackwater" line from what I'm aware of. Never shot one but got a tacops years about 8 years ago and I was sold! They killed it and every sig I've fired since has had me extremely impressed with thier bang for buck! That's includes thier sig556 rifle.
@@kennethratcil5225 agreed, I have the original P320, amazing pistol when it came out.
im still sour the whole XM8 thing fell through.. that was such a cool gun!
Yeah, the manufacturer kind of shot themselves in the foot by getting too greedy. The XM8 didn't use standard picatinny rails or standard stanag magazines, meaning the US would have needed to not only replace the rifles, but also replace their accessories and mags, which severly compounded the cost of the weapon. On top of that, the polymer frames were cheaply made and supposedly melted during long periods of fully automatic fire. Making the weapon suitable for U.S. military use would have required the whole rifle be redesigned, and good luck trying to get HK to admit there's anything wrong with any of their weapons. Bright side, though, the gun still exists. Apparently the Malaysians were happy enough with it and adopted it for their special forces.
@Frank The Tank
It looked like a trout.
@@CruelestChris Does it matter what it looks like, as long as it works and is functional?
@@Adanu191
By all accounts it wasn't that great at working or functioning either, particularly given what the German military discovered about H&K's melting polymer rifles out in the sandpit. US might well have dodged a bullet by not adopting it.
Looking stupid is just a layer on top of that.
Former grunt and other work - I really like that SIG overall! Couldn't agree with you any more on all points! While I love the lighter wait of ammo, what I really look for in my round is the improved kinetic energy and accuracy at contact. One well placed powerful shot will end a firefight much more quickly than spraying and praying - all while expending much less ammo. This all helps me live a longer and happier life!!
OriginalHuman: Accurate bursts, see where you're shooting
America: Decreases fire rate on m16 to decrease shots per confirmed kill
Trees: Laughs in Vietnamese
America: Never happening again(spoken in a-10)
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I have seen 168 likes with 0 views on bigger channels
Kieran Benson you know you’re kinda early when you see 90 ish comments
90 comments and I couldn’t see any
"is the round plastic?" our military is experimenting with caseless ammo again(they tried it out in the 80's with the H&K G11, didnt work out sadly) in an attempt to make a new standard battle rifle thats both light and packs a punch while still being dead accurate at long range with as little recoil as possible
"Former Army Veteran" wtf is that?
He fought with George Washington in his past life man get it right😂
Someone who stopped being a veteran?? Lol didn’t know you could stop being a veteran lol
He must have gotten out and then gotten back in thus becoming a former army vet lol
He was employed by the military, he became a veteran, then some pencil pusher noticed that his employment papers were not kosher, he wasn't technically employed by the military, so they retracted his veteran status. Bureaucracy is a bitch.
@llriv of course, he screwed up, but we're theorycrafting here :)
“M240B if you come from my era” or if you’re in the marine corps lol
It was the Mag 58 in my era lol
Sig really has got their shit together these past couple few years and really started innovating and listening to the market, civilian and otherwise its nice to see. The modularity of the pistols is awesome, the price point is nice,, quality is nice, and now they are selling fcus so you can just do it how you want right away. Cool stuff.
Idk man, this gunna be hard lol 😩. The m4 looks just perfect like the sr-71, old but gold haha
If they're going to go with Sig for those sweet LMG's, may as well also adopt the Sig Rattler and MCX both chambered in 300 blackout.
The problem with caseless ammo is that the weapon overheats quicker, the germans learned that when they tried to make their rifle. Plus the textron seems over engineered.
imagine the leap when we develop an infantry ready energy weapon platform, weapons more modular than the ar or scar. an energy weapon can be a SAW, CQB, Marksman, sniper, or a shotgun depending on the components
Also, there is no known armor to defend them, saying they work as their desiigned to.
Ever seen a lithium ion phone battery get pierced? Now imagine a battery storing enough energy to feed a weapon get dinged.
Yeah, not happening any time soon. You basically need a mini nuclear reactor to power such a weapon powerful enough to actually do any damage. Wouldn't even be a good idea to try till solid state batteries become a thing for vehicle weapons. Even still, a gauss rifle or rail gun would be more efficient. Basically put, the gauss is likely the better weapon of the future.
@@GameFreak7744 In theory solid state batteries would solves this but I wouldn't keep your hopes on those any time soon. I'm just saying energy based weapons are not a near future technology. Hell they might not even get into vehicles till I'm in my 40s-50s.
@@GameFreak7744 aint any different than a catastrophic failure on a large caliber small arms. Were talking about tech that could still be 20 years out
The M4 carbine is still very good, however im excited that we are moving to new things
The reason the Textron ejects the round separately and loads a new one in like that is because the plastic rounds aren't strong enough to withstand the heat/pressure of firing, so if you look you'll see the chamber is entirely a solid cylinder that rotates out of position to eject and load a round, so the strength of the plastic isn't an issue. It shouldn't affect firing rate because it's not true to say it's an extra movement - it's actually the same. Normal rounds are ejected when the bolt comes back to pick up the new round and the round is loaded when it slides forward - in this the bolt moves back, and then both loads the new and ejects the old when it slides forward. Still a single sliding action.
Strength of the plastic round may be an issue when pushing the next round out but I'm fairly sure a round packed with metal and powder will be solid enough to push an empty shell out of the way.
Personally I hope they go with Sig Sauer. I'd love to own a civilian variant of the 6.8mm rifle
You can already own a civilian variant. Although it’s not chambered in 6.8mm. Sig’s bid is based on their MCX line of rifles, the bid is called the MCX Spear, but the rest of the MCX line up is readily available to the public already.
Also, owning a 6.8mm rifle like that would suck. Ammo would be impossible to find because it literally doesn’t exist yet lol.
The general dynamics is a “bullpup” style rifle
And let’s hope they don’t go with that lmao
@@jonnoble6643 why not tho? I thought the Steyer AUG proved bullpups could be viable... Although I'll admit I might just be defending it because I like bullpups :D
Subwya now, I don’t hate them all that much. I used to dislike the M16 a lot more than I do now, but at least what I’ve heard from some EU buds, their Bullpup is pretty unergonomic, super hard to reload
@@jonnoble6643 well seeing as I haven't personally used one I cant argue with that
Right, what a clown.
The round you were asking about, the TEXTRON 6.8 is covered in Polymer but separates once the you fire the weapon! They also have a clear version of the Polymer where you can see the gun powder and actual round. The polymer around it is to basically just protect the rounds/casings.
If someone says they don't like Sigs, 9/10 they had to look up from their coloring book to say that.
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I'd like to point you toward a channel called Icemanisaac. He does a series called warzone academy, and my cousin and I have gotten 9 wins since starting to watch.
YES
Dude this is real life not a video game smh
SirMask but he also plays warzone and hasn’t gotten a win yet
@@approxximate4874 ... he said he hadn't gotten a warzone win with his buddies in discord. I was just pointing him to a guy with guides that may help.
I haven't seen such a cringy comment in months
I’ve come from the future to say Sig has won the contract
It’s actually not the m16 that’s the us service rifle it’s the m4
I knew I'd find this comment as soon as he said M16
He said M16 family. The M4 and M16 are essentially identical. The only difference is the stock and barrel length.
It’s an M-16 variant.
Tao Liu the m16 is only 3 round and semi the m4 is all but yes you are correct
The biggest difference i found was the m4 had the adjustable butt stock
my unit still uses M16A2's, like hell the army will ever buy a new weapon platform that goes to anyone except Special forces.
Just means your leadership dropped the ball.
Just a point of order... the Textron ammo is not 'caseless' ammo, it's telescoping. The bullet is nested inside the cartridge reducing overall size. Previous attempts at caseless ammo were also telescoping ammo, but turns out making your cartridge entirely out of propellant generates 'issues'. Modern polymers are very heat-resistant but more importantly Pressure resistant, there is an upper limit to how much oomph you can put into metal cased ammo before the metal becomes fluid.
The Marine Corps welcome its new used weapon system from the Army.