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- Dave tears down the new US$399 Rigol 4 channel 50MHz DS1054Z oscilloscope.
How can they get such incredible value for the price?
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I still use this after seven years, works flawlessly. I have hacked it with all the upgrades so the price/performance is just fantastic.
"Don't turn it on, take it apaaaaart!"
Dave, I just love your teardowns!
This scope looks amazing. Total game changer.
Smart move and long-term planning by Rigol. Even if they don't make a lot of money on these they'll get many new technicians and engineers started using their equipment. Once you buy a first Rigol, you're likely to buy more.
@@rsattahip I did :)
Having run scopes since tubes were king, I, like you, are simply amazed at the value. Even though I'm retired and have little use, I had to have one of these low cost miracles.
Thanks Dave for measuring the power consumption.
Afrotechmods Yep, just like the original one was. Rigol are clever. BTW, I can't direct reply to your messages, here's why: www.eevblog.com/2014/09/25/how-google-plus-screws-youtube-comments/
Fixed - thanks for the tip I was wondering what the deal with that was!
***** Google plus sucks. It fucks up everything on TH-cam. Why can't these cunts realise that WE DON'T WANT GOOGLE+.
If you try and delete Google+ you get all sorts of warnings that you will lose your TH-cam account as well. Are these fuckers for real????
Nice timing with this video Dave! Just ordered DS1054Z earlier today.
Got mine yesterday. Moded it already - so all features active. I like it very much. Well worth the money.
I've been thinking about getting one of these at some point in the future, so thanks for the added confidence from the teardown
Me as well! :)
I love that people give Dave stuff to take apart ! I always find when I take stuff apart there is always some components left over
I love that he's allowed to void warranty on stuff that's only on loan to him :D
Take plenty of pictures & notes while disassembling devices.
John Ridley
Thanks for making me laugh on a really shitty day
cant wait for the review on this.
Dave needs his own "Warranty is void by EEVBLOG" sticker so when he voided the warranty in a review he can replace it ;)
Actually the Chinese characters are the colors for the wires.
Hor Ye Heng Ah, thanks!
Now the characters make sence! The poor underpaid workers make less mistakes :/
@@Kodachi123 Sadly true
@@EEVblog
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Was about to buy a 1052E when I got the notification for this video. I'm not mad, so I have bought the 1054Z instead at the same price. Thanks Dave, just in time :)
I have basically no idea what's going on, but somehow it's still interesting and i cant stop watching lol
swifterik Just lets you observe the voltage of a given connection, and over time; its 'sampling', so taking readings so many thousands/millions of times per second, and giving you a window to scroll back and forth over this value. So you essentially ahve a graph of voltage on the vertical axis, and time on the horizontal. (And many more topions.) You can zoom in to very detailed levels, and set up triggers to capture when certain events occur, etc. If you know software, than an oscilliscope is the debugger for hardware.
swifterik jep!
it's like a multimeter that let's you measure voltage. but instead of a digital reading a few times a second it plots the voltage on the vertical axis of a graph, and does that really fast alsong the x axis. this let's you see waveform in a circuit. a waveform is just a fast changing voltage though.
swifterik Your English is fine. I would suggest using the word "on" instead of "at" when referring to days and dates. But it was perfectly understandable.
swifterik
So how was using a scope for the first time? :p
Did you enjoy it?
very cool, thanks for the look inside, I can't wait till I get mine.
My Dad works at Spansion in Austin, TX. Pretty cool to see there products in stuff like this.
Hello Dave.
I would really love to see you playing around with those resistor/shunts configurations to see what effect would it have on the scope.
Could you do an episode on that?
Thank you Dave for your great work with the EEVblog.
Thanks. Nice review and clearly a nice design on their part
This looks like the perfect scope for a beginner like me. I hope you do a review of it once yours arrives.
Just bought one for $328 delivered from Tequipment. Thanks, Dave, for the discount too! Considered the Siglent 1202, but the compensation issue deterred me.
Nice one Dave, excellent quality scope for the price. Regards Bob
Nice to see inside, I look forward to see this model in Sweden. And I am sitting in front of the computer waiting for your review...
Hi Dave,
Big thumb up for you , thank you for sharing knowledge
Review it! i've been looking at that one for weeks!
I have the DS1104Z.... i absolutely love it!
Very interesting. Really looking forward to a review of its functionality.
I am also hoping for a review of the new Rigol DG1032Z function generator since I am looking for such a thing.
I have the 1074Z which was the cheapest in the 1000Z series until this came out. I can't recommend it highly enough! This scope really can't be beaten at the low end of the market. The DS1000Z series is the first low end DSO that I've considered to be worth buying for an amateur compared to a second hand CRO. At only £286 inc. VAT in UK from the official distributor Telonic, it's the exact same price as the DS1052E it supersedes. People seem to still be paying that price for Owon or Siglent or GW Instek scopes which are about equivalent to the DS1052E - Crazy.
Ok, three vids in a row on Rigol scopes. Clearly you are in love with Rigol.
Its ok, so am I.
Hi Dave! Great teardown as always. Can you please do also a review of this scope?
Thanks Dave! Another top review. I recon there is no contest, anyone who is confused what to buy as entry level dso got no excuse now! The DS-1054Z is going to sell like hot cakes at that price... I recon I will get one too
There might be few photos missing in the front end comparison bit. I didn't notice any photos show up when other models were mentioned.
yep I goofed that.
This chinese words at 12:16 are colors, red, green, black etc. so its only for assembly.
PS I used google translate on my smartphone and used photo recognition function :)
are you an asshole?
@@memerichment ?
I just bought one of these!
Thanks for the awesome video! Now, if only Telonic would have them back in stock...
great video, thank you.
+EEVblog
The Chinese characters on the PSU PCB are simply the characters for the respective wire colours. ("White, Black, Green, etc")
Yes, I can read Chinese (because I'm fluent in Japanese) :)
Good Stuff Thanks...
One of these days I may have to replace my Tek 466, not til it breaks....
At 399 it's a pretty nice scope. I browsed around a bit around European webshops and (well apart from the fact they're all not in stock), the prices have HUGE differences in them. I saw them as low as €360 and as high at €699 for the exact same scope with the same accessories. Definitely pays off to look around before you purchase this oscilloscope in Europe.
i really don't know anything about this stuff, but its' clear we're making serious progress. go oz!
That thumbs up button is soo small.... THUUUUUMMMMBBSSS UPPPPP DAAVEEE!!! Thanks for a great teardown, I am expecting the review!!! What an oscilloscope!
Jeez it's a joyride watching this video!!!
The wavy traces are there to length match the differential pairs. At high speeds propagation delay actually plays a big role and of the traces weren't the same length you could end up with serious problems (major data corruption, etc.) I think it also helps with EMI, but I'm not clear on how that works.
Love the Lego DeLorean on the left :D
Nice tear down Dave but unfortunately i only brought my 1052e about 6 months ago on your recommendation video on what tools and equipment to buy for a workshop lol ho well perhaps next year lol. Paul UK
Interesting how they make some traces longer so they match up in respect to signal runtime inside the trace!
Definitely a must-have scope, I have the DS1074Z-S since January, did some firmware updates and hacked it to 100MHz.
Working fine (well, it still has some bugs, but can live with it)
I am curious to Dave's in-depth review :-)
I'd really appreciate a full review of this scope.
Awww, no high-speed reassembly at the end? Liked the video, was interested in this scope for a while.
18:43 it looks like the resistors are for setting the revision # of the board that for the software
@12:00 or they could use the extra space for a PFC power supply...
50MHz DS1054Z - $399
100MHz DS1104Z - $830
Quite a price jump.
if they would release a 2 channel 100mhz at 399 that would be a winner!.
(half the channels half the price). so you can chose, 4 chan at 50 or 2 at 100 same price
Yes, that would be a winner. Many don't need four channels. The Hantek DSO5102B 100MHz 2-channel can be found for even less than $399 shipped.
or just google 1054z 1104z hack, or browse the EEV blog forum. you'll have quite a surprise :) it's supposed to be upgradeable by software
Re pricing on the options is retarded, if you add 2 or 3 of them you go over 1K easily, for SOFTWARE additions -_-
i mean, 197$ JUST to enable the memory they purposedly disabled(why not release it with 24mpts and be done with it?, the HW is there!, they could shake the market with that!, but nope...)
serial decoding?, 174
advanced trigger(whatever that does its not specified), 191 more!
WTH MAN, that's highway robbery
For some ~30$ more than the DS1104Z you can go to the DS2072A with 2chans at 70MHz and that one has 500uv/div, it's a shame they didn't make a 2 channel Z model
+Guillermo Lovato they should make free the hardware but make paid just software bonus yep
I kinda like the 7" display on the Hantek or Signet
Hi Dave. No photos at 20:30 :(
I love high-quality Chinese electronics, too bad about the cheap capacitors but the rest of that is beautifully made.
£300 in the uk... Order page opened ready for the end of this review.
Hi Dave, cool. Can you also do a review and a comperison with this scope and the 2000 series? please ...👍👍👍👍
18:30: they are zero-ohm jumpers. Its a common configuration method for SMD.
very nice scope :)
greets from south africa
Same here, and I got a DS1054Z already :D
Hi Dave, those Chinese characters are the colors of the cables that should go there (for the assembly) and I think they have been installed correctly, color corresponding to character so that's good!
Dave, when is your birthday? I want to wish you a happy birthday whenever it is! And maybe you'll get more thing for your mailbag...
27:56 yeah i'm pretty sure that's supposed to be a zebra finch lol. Makes sense, if you think about it, they are cheap birds when you get them in the pet store
'3904's in the signal path of a scope front-end? AND it actually works out to 100Mhz?
I certainly wouldn't have called that, but I suppose I shouldn't be that surprised.
FM broadcast radio goes from 88-108Mhz, and you can build a perfectly useable FM radio using pretty much a single JFET, a bunch of 2n3904/3906 transistors (around 7 i think?), and a pile of passives.
Well, at least it certainly makes finding replacement parts for the front end a bunch easier, if something unfortunate does happen to them.
14:55 I think that's actually MAIN BIRD version 1.01
I saw it frys eletronics I was afraid to buy it because it so cheap but now im going to get it :)
Now lets wait for the 100mhz hack for maximum value!
Mitch Martin Yeah i did some googling and found it, it really is quite a lot of value for not a lot of money. Now i am seriously considering buying it.
tHaH4x0r you can upgrade the 1054z to 1104z. google it ;)
The Chinese characters next to the wires are the color descriptions of the wire that goes into that it’s respective connection on the board.
Yes the Hendo hoverboard really seems to be legit however it only runs on a metal surface cuz it uses magnetic levitation ! Tell us in a video what you think about this Dave!!
I noticed that the CY7C1306C-200AXC memory chip has these tick lines all the way around the chip and it looks like they are 5 pins from each other. Probably used to help technicians probe the correct pins maybe, or align the chip?
I really like my modded DS2072A! The look and feel is very well, especially for this price range! I did not found a mod for the DG4162 yet, but the possibility to do it makes sense for me. If anyone knows something about it, please tell. Nice vid Dave, thank you.
very interested in purchasing ...
I think they use the resistors to enable/disable the logic analyzer and the signal generator functionality. Would be cool to mod it some way to add signal generator functionality. Any DS1000Z-S teardown?
I'd buy from Emona any day, and plan to.
They've been in EA since at least the late 60s when I started reading it :)
The bird looks like a zebra finch. I am / was a tektronix fan boy (allways worked with this brand) , but I think rigol are winning me more and more.
Surprised to see some many TL07X op amps. I know they're inexpensive but you'd think the noise would be a little high but it sounds like they're not doing anything critical.
EEVblog @20:45 ish There is mention of the 2000 series frontend and the 1052e frontend, but overlay of those pictures. Perhaps an oversight?
Yeh the power factor is pretty bad, but we are not charged for reactive power and a small 40VA scope is not gonna upset the power grid
No ground off components this time ... 3904 transistors instead! Shocking!
Great review! Thanks Dave, if that 100MHZ hack is real I'll be getting one tomorrow. I can't help but wander who are the people leaving the thumbs down reviews, Agilent PR reps??
Ken Kendall I have a small but devout group of haters who thumbs down every video the minute it's posted.
EEVblog Ugh, really? What losers.
the Chinese letters on the power supply board are colors for the wires :)
Ha! Rigol are based in Beaverton, Oregon (according to their web site). A coincidence?
they just moved there from Cleveland
I'd imagine that good quality Samxon capacitors are only a little more expensive...
I bet if someone built a copper shielded cage for the SMPS transformer, you could lower the noise floor of this scope. Ace hardware does carry sheet copper... hmm
Cant concentrate on the video with all that cool stuff behind you! :)
You can use Google Translate phone app to take a picture of those characters and to translate to English or whatever language you prefer.
they're color words (corresponding the color of the wire)
Dave, I think you forgot the photos for the DS2000 and DS1052 when you were comparing the front ends (21:20)
oh damn, yes I did. too late now.
Annotation with a link would be the next best thing
I have a 20 Mhz CRO that I'm too afraid to use because of what happened to 'Cliff Robertson' in 'The Galaxy Being'.
at 25:54 you can see snake-like wires coming out of the front end, is that to keep the lenghts of the channels the same?
Yes. It's called "Length Tuning"
The bird may be a common chaffinch or an eurasian bullfinch, a thin one, at that.
Thank you very much for this teardown video. Maybe the dig potentiometers and the quad opamp placed on the same layer are for the trigger...
I was thinking to buy one and modify it at will for some personal extended functionalities. The cost is the reason why this one instead of a big 2GHz/40GSps!
BTW, what do you think of the DS1074Z, so a bit more bandwidth and above all the logic analyzer part? Is it worth the difference of price, quite huge gap from my point of view?
Hi, I really enjoy your video blog. I started to watch it only recently and I would like to watch all or part of your previous episodes systematically. I have a question- do you have spreadsheet with all your episodes that I could copy and mark for myself which ones I saw already.
Those Chinese characters are the colors of the wires. The use this to help the workers when soldering the wires on.
I'm dissapointed about the Crapxon capacitors, but I suppose to get that nice price you have to make sacrifices. Well, at least I have a lot of experience changing Capxon capacitors.
In another reply to a similar comment, Dave mentions that Rigol have no doubt done the proper engineering to use the capacitors properly. In the monitors I repair, that is obviously not the case. However, even they lasted a while. Time will tell.
The main reason capacitors fail is because they are under-spec'd. With the number of CapXon caps in the output filters and the meager 20-25W power draw including power supply losses, I seriously doubt those caps have enough AC current ripple on them or heat around them to kill them any time soon.
CapXon might only last a year or two in a 300-400W PC PSU but in a 30W PSU with so many caps presumably in parallel, I would not be surprised if it lasted 10+ years.
Daniel Sauvageau That would be my guess too, likely not a problem. Rigol would know this and would care.
how funny... i way playing with one of those cheap LJV encoders out of ebay while watching the review. same green color and everything. what a coincidence.
It is 300 euro more for the DS1074Z-S, so 300 euros more for a built-in function generator and 70Mhz. Is that worth the money? Rigol cheapest function generator cost about 300 euros. What do you think?
Some of the SMD marking codes:
SOT-23 3EM = MMBTH10
SOT-323 1B = BC846BW (not 100% sure)
SOT-323 3B = BC856BW (not 100% sure)
SOT-23 JY = BAV199
SOT-123 T4 = 1N4148W (BL Galaxy Electrics)
just 350 EUR, wow.. i expected >1000... 9.5/10 would buy, even when i dont need one
Dave, they better be giving you the one you ordered for free... because I think you just sold me my first oscilloscope!
Nope, i'm paying for my one.
***** Sometimes those more accurate / higher resolution scopes can take a while to boot up or warm up. Might be quicker to just use the lower spec one if it will do the job.
Nice bit for the money.
You already have more scopes than you can shake a stick at and you are going to get one more? I think most of us watching have scope envy. It could be interesting to experiment with changing those configuration "jumpers" and see what changes there are in the features or behaviour of the scope. Some of them might be for features/hardware not included in the version of the 1052Z. The price jump also seems a bit high if it is just a software change to enable 100MHz without changing the hardware.
I think every segment of "nerdy pro" business folx got there own gear porn heros. Here it´s the scopes. On the StudioPro segements it´s microphones (as you´re nothing there until you got at least one "neumann")
Musicians have the same, as for guitars (7ender custom shop) Amps (marshall,7ender), keys (hammond) and so on....;)
It´s always like that....
yeah I have plenty, but I need different scope for comparisons etc. and it's nice if I can use an affordable scope in some videos.