I have now dared to watch the ending and oof...whatever is going on, I hope you guys figure it out. There seems to be a lot of frustration and steam going around lately. John being annoyed that Jeff never pays attention, is distracted and maybe even the missing scoops. Jeff on the other hand is obviously frustrated with his profession (as seen by the countless rants against the trades, journalism and the studios these last few weeks) and thus easily irritated.
I love you John Rocha. Thanks for all you do and say in this space, for how you handle yourself and your cohosts. For fighting for what you believe in 💜
I'm with John. FALL was always the Oscar season. Every trade says it. Most of the Best Picture winners are put out in the fall and up to Christmas day. There are a few annomiles, Gladiator, Silence of the Lambs, Oppenheimer,
I think you two have a point, but because you want to be right your arguments end up colliding. John, Jeff is right that the concept of female murderers is no longer something new, a man is no longer so scared of that. On the other hand, whether we like it or not, the idea of a person of color being a murderer would be a more controversial and interesting idea for the viewer. at the same time jeff, john is right that unlike many of the male killers who follow the pattern of a true serial killer, women of this type have had less representation and importance, at least as far as the cinema, since on television it is a different matter. Although many of us like the heated debates on the channel we as followers of your channel dont want you to end up arguing over something absurd😅🙏
Hopefully John and Jeff can workout whatever is going on. This was kinda like when Winston A. Marshall and Jay Washington ended a show when things got too heated on air and there was no more Blerds in the Hood after that. 😥
Gawd, I remember that (though I missed that particular episode) and hope not. Always bums me out when two friends blow up. Hope the two can work it out, for sure.
@@SceneNNerdit caught me so off guard, it was more stunning than upsetting for me, personally. But, yeah, I could see a whole lot of fans being upset about this bc they love the show, me included. edit: gah, I dunno why I thought you were referring back to this show when we were just talking about Blerds, my bad 😩
Studios develop many projects at a time so that when one is successful, they're ready to go on the next one. These things take years to put together. Why John tried to fault Gunn for developing multiple projects like every other studio head is wild to me.
Because Gunn literally hasn’t heard the pitch for the Batman Beyond movie. The creator said it and James said AND James said he wanted to work with them.
I have 10 minutes left of the stream and the comments say all hell breaks lose at the end, how bad is it people? I can't watch intense irl stuff it gives me the cringes😅
Yeah, I think Jeff redlined at the end there. I hope the two work it out. The show’s great and as much crap as I throw Jeff’s way the two are like peanut butter and chocolate.
@@EleventhCubFan I’m not sure? Rocha did mention that the Tue segments were 90 min and shorter and it coincided with the desk delivery, but can’t say. It didn’t feel that way. Unless the desk did show up and it made for a convenient way out that he was going to let Rocha in on after.
Oh hell yeah. I’d love to see that. I mean Brie Larson would be a great choice too. Completely snatch the narrative away from all those incels who’ve been coming after her and live out some fantasies. 😂
Yeah, for sure 😆 Would be a good way to rap the bow of the madness of these past 5 years since the 1st Cap Marvel. And for me, it would be nice to see her return to these movies where she can spread her wings and show more range, with solid character writing. She is excellent.
@@Fan-Nimater101 agreed. I love TV Talk but when he starts saying animation and wrestling are for stupid people and his wife would leave him for watching it it drives me nuts. Says more about him than people that are fans of that stuff.
Here’s the thing I have autism at 29 and I still watch animated movies and shows aimed at kids it dosnt matter how old u are And plus the best guy on this channel is Mktoon he’s the best And I’m in art school And I can’t wait too see Kung fu panda 4 next week
Asian guy here. I absolutely LOVED Beef. I actually want the next cast to be white. I don’t want there to be a show only about weird messed up Asians 😂
Do streamlabs tip Qs always make it onto air? Made a tip few weeks back with a Q about Marvel exploring R rated movies and DC going for the lighter vibe of early Marvel under Gunn.
Im sure these two will be fine theyve had way worse fights lol they just get heated/passionate about stuff. Probably bcuz theyre both good at what they do
Bro, you have no idea what that show is about if you have such a limited POV on it. It's about so much more than that. How "stereotypes act in different situations"? I mean what??? lol
Holy shit Batman!! What an ending! If this doesn't bring you back to the HOT MIC! Then...you just suck!! 😂😂 Love you two! This was awesome! Classic John an Jeff. Oh an Rocha...as a Black guy. Why is it a no go that Blackman can't or...shouldn't play a serial killer? Is that only other Races can murder? Lol come on my brotha. But love you regardless. An I understand how YOU think the "optics" your fav word will look like. But to say a Blackman shouldn't or it isn't in the best interest for a black man to play a serial is a tad nuts. How about black Vampires? Basically a serial killer...an don't pull that supernatural factor outta your ass. Murder is murder...regardless of method, venue or race. Dam, I wrote a novella.😂😂😂😂 much love you guys an the whole Hot Mic Fam!!❤❤
😂 things happen lol. We’re all human. He was looking quite antsy toward the end anyway, and then his ego was a little bruised when he couldn’t name 10 female killer movies. Because he already had a lot on his mind, so his brain was farting.
Support for casting people of color, shows that focus on others perspective, and bringing more culture to people is awesome. Saying that you don't like a show because the actors are white and making up situations that forced someone to cast white people without any sources for this project is a little crazy. I agree we have plenty of white stories but hating on something because the cast is white, when the creator of the show is Asian is a little off the handle i feel. Just throwing my voice out there for whatever it is worth
Except I didn't say I didn't like a show for those reasons. I said that I would have preferred them to keep it to Asian actors or POC actors. That's all. It's people like you who twist and manipulate simple feelings into these big things. I hope you can figure that out about yourself one day.
@JohnRochaSays You said you weren't a fan of beef season 2 because it was going to be a white story and it should have been kept POC.... Just give it a shot and don't write it off so easily simply because the creator chose to tell this story. You implied that maybe Netflix decided it should be a white story for season two....that is manipulating a small thing into something big like you said I do.... just saying
@@dustink2763 No. It's called speculation and analysis which is what we do on this show. Is this your first time watching our show? We speculate on shit all the time. I never said I wouldn't give it a shot. Not liking an idea or an approach doesn’t mean I won't watch it or that people shouldnt watch it.
@@JohnRochaSays well it’s a movie that exists that’s literally called American Psycho 2. Just because it’s not a classic like the original doesn’t mean you can say it doesn’t count. it can be done better for sure but it still counts as part of the franchise. I’d love to see Rebecca Ferguson take on a role like that if they’re going down that lane again, I feel her personality on the Dune press tour has shined beautifully and would be exciting to see in a role like this.
@@tannersgarden Nah. Its a straight to DVD effort from a time when they made those films to make money and not to add to any kind of lore. A theatrical adaptation would be seen by more people and would be a natural successor to the original film.
It's only in America that think animation for kids and teenagers where other parts of the world see it as another art form like anime which audience has no age range
Expressing an opinion about a preference is not telling anyone anything. What’s wrong with you? I didn’t call him up and tell him how he should cast his show. I said that I would’ve PREFERRED the show not cast white people as the leads. I mean I’m allowed to express an opinion, am I not? What’s wrong with some of y’all?
I am fine with remakes, people have a weird aversion just on principle most of the time, but american psycho specifically feels like it *IS* already the kind of remake you would make today (directed by a woman [expertly might I add] as well as having women in the writing staff making sure it doesn't veer into power fantasy-land) so I... don't see where you *can* go other than basically re-issuing it for those who haven't seen the story? It is one of the more modern, even still, feeling movies so I actually don't see the upside here (when normally I can). Best of luck to anyone who tackles it obviously cause that's a big hill to climb (i suppose you could try it with a female lead but I do not see the commentary being AS strong in that direction verses a male character, plus promising young woman pretty much just did [also expertly I might add] that). EDIT: Darkseid's dinosaur name sent me lol, also 'grats on getting into cinemacon Rochs.
Every 2nd Scream movie has a female serial killer and the first one even references Pamela Voorhees. It's everything but a foreign concept but to come up with ten movies about any topic on the spot is never easy. Like... Name ten movies about horses or ten where the protagonist has a mustache?
Not even remotely the same thing. American Psycho is a solitary person committing these murders as a commentary on society whether they’re in his mind or not. Scream is not even remotely close to the same thing cause it’s usually a group effort and a bunch of kids getting their jollies off killing people. Two completely different tones and approaches.
Yes, but you can always say that the tone's different. I was just naming a few examples for female serial killers in movies. Would you accept films like Orphan, Audition or All the Boys love Mandy Lane? Also: The murders in Scream are always a commentary on society and the influence of media on our psyche, at least from the killers' perspectives. @@JohnRochaSays
This animated DC project doesn’t make any sense. Gun said going forward all the animated movies are part of his universe and this project seems way out of whack to blend with his live action universe.
Everyone in the live chat COMPLETELY missing the point of Sneider saying that animation is for kids. He's talking from a studio exec, business perspective.
I love Jeff, I really do, but for all the shit talk he dishes out, he really crumbles at the smallest amount of pushback.
I have now dared to watch the ending and oof...whatever is going on, I hope you guys figure it out. There seems to be a lot of frustration and steam going around lately. John being annoyed that Jeff never pays attention, is distracted and maybe even the missing scoops. Jeff on the other hand is obviously frustrated with his profession (as seen by the countless rants against the trades, journalism and the studios these last few weeks) and thus easily irritated.
The fuck happened at the end 🤣
I love you John Rocha. Thanks for all you do and say in this space, for how you handle yourself and your cohosts. For fighting for what you believe in 💜
Thank you, Steven. Appreciate it, brother.
There’s a reason why it’s called the hot mic lol
We'll all remember where we were for #DeskGate2024
I'm with John. FALL was always the Oscar season. Every trade says it. Most of the Best Picture winners are put out in the fall and up to Christmas day. There are a few annomiles, Gladiator, Silence of the Lambs, Oppenheimer,
John Rocha went full John Campea for a quick second there at the end. You guys need to ease off the monster drinks 😅😅
Never go Full Campea lol
Hahaha, yes! Full Canadian YT explosion.
What did John Campea do?
I can understand why Jeff is self-employed now... Among other things!
I’m self employed cuz my boss stole 16K from me. Fucko.
Jeff gives off only child vibes.
We will blame the Desk! The Desk is a jerk for causing all this stress! (It's like the printer in Office Space).
I just envisioned Rocha and Jeff beating the crap out of that desk to the soundtrack of Geto Boys’ “Still” 🤣
@@Vulcanerd Same! 😆🤣
The best Ever haahha!! This is how every episode should end with Jeff just logging off without warning lol. Clip the end
Well that got heated at the end 😂
Sneider looks like a Richard Simmons acolyte! LOLOLOL
I think you two have a point, but because you want to be right your arguments end up colliding. John, Jeff is right that the concept of female murderers is no longer something new, a man is no longer so scared of that. On the other hand, whether we like it or not, the idea of a person of color being a murderer would be a more controversial and interesting idea for the viewer. at the same time jeff, john is right that unlike many of the male killers who follow the pattern of a true serial killer, women of this type have had less representation and importance, at least as far as the cinema, since on television it is a different matter. Although many of us like the heated debates on the channel we as followers of your channel dont want you to end up arguing over something absurd😅🙏
Hopefully John and Jeff can workout whatever is going on. This was kinda like when Winston A. Marshall and Jay Washington ended a show when things got too heated on air and there was no more Blerds in the Hood after that. 😥
Gawd, I remember that (though I missed that particular episode) and hope not. Always bums me out when two friends blow up. Hope the two can work it out, for sure.
@@Vulcanerd I did was so uncomfortable and sad to watch.
@@SceneNNerdit caught me so off guard, it was more stunning than upsetting for me, personally. But, yeah, I could see a whole lot of fans being upset about this bc they love the show, me included.
edit: gah, I dunno why I thought you were referring back to this show when we were just talking about Blerds, my bad 😩
Is there a link?? I never even knew they were friends. I haven't seen Jay since I stopped watching Collider.
@@JaiProdz No. They pulled the channel down.
Great episode guys, wow that ended cold as ICE! Love this show. To be fair, John handled that really well.
Epic ending😂 that’ll keep ppl coming back for more
Uh...I'm assuming they'll move past this. Still, hope things are smoothed over soon.
Always a pleasure watching these! Especially live. I also exercise while I listen !
Studios develop many projects at a time so that when one is successful, they're ready to go on the next one. These things take years to put together. Why John tried to fault Gunn for developing multiple projects like every other studio head is wild to me.
1:21:42 is like watching a fire slowly get out of control. 😂
Because Gunn literally hasn’t heard the pitch for the Batman Beyond movie. The creator said it and James said AND James said he wanted to work with them.
Loved the show! Really good heated debates.
There are several female serial killer movies. There is a current trilogy with one named Pearl
Audition. Japanese movie. 😮
pearl is fantastic, which is weird considering i didn't really like X that much
heys guys, missed the live --listening to the replay--thanks for the video
I have 10 minutes left of the stream and the comments say all hell breaks lose at the end, how bad is it people? I can't watch intense irl stuff it gives me the cringes😅
What the hell happened the last 5 minutes!???? I still don't get it.
Tension was high all episode
Fr think some bts drama
Yeah, I think Jeff redlined at the end there. I hope the two work it out. The show’s great and as much crap as I throw Jeff’s way the two are like peanut butter and chocolate.
Didn’t he say he had a hard out? Maybe his desk arrived.
they’ll be fine
@@EleventhCubFan I’m not sure? Rocha did mention that the Tue segments were 90 min and shorter and it coincided with the desk delivery, but can’t say. It didn’t feel that way. Unless the desk did show up and it made for a convenient way out that he was going to let Rocha in on after.
This Rock Johnson role reminds me of Stallone Copland.
Beck and Woods just made an A24 movie with Hugh Grant. And 65 was high concept.
I would LOVE to see Glenn Howerton as an American Pyscho
Elizabeth Olsen could be interesting for female American Psycho. She showed signs of it in Silent House and Love & Death.
Oh hell yeah. I’d love to see that. I mean Brie Larson would be a great choice too. Completely snatch the narrative away from all those incels who’ve been coming after her and live out some fantasies. 😂
Yeah, for sure 😆 Would be a good way to rap the bow of the madness of these past 5 years since the 1st Cap Marvel. And for me, it would be nice to see her return to these movies where she can spread her wings and show more range, with solid character writing. She is excellent.
Jeff was immature for leaving like that at the end.
'animated movies are for kids' yeah my ass, i swear jeff has some of the most tone-deaf elitest comments i have ever heard on the internet
You can tell he hasn't read one page of Jurassic League, too. That comic is definitely not for kids lmao
Want to see a dong take on animation? See Josh Macuga
Josh is even worse Animation is for everyone
@@Fan-Nimater101 agreed. I love TV Talk but when he starts saying animation and wrestling are for stupid people and his wife would leave him for watching it it drives me nuts. Says more about him than people that are fans of that stuff.
@@ShaneStLaurent yea and I’m in art school and my passion is animation
This is the best.
1:34:11 "Sorry buddy I gotta block you cuz you're an asshøle." 🤣
Here’s the thing I have autism at 29 and I still watch animated movies and shows aimed at kids it dosnt matter how old u are
And plus the best guy on this channel is Mktoon he’s the best
And I’m in art school
And I can’t wait too see Kung fu panda 4 next week
Damn that ended like a late night conversation with one of my friends. Sometimes people say some dumb shit and it spirals out of control. it happens.
Thanks!
Thank YOU!
This was the big blowout I see about on twitter?
Asian guy here. I absolutely LOVED Beef. I actually want the next cast to be white. I don’t want there to be a show only about weird messed up Asians 😂
Do streamlabs tip Qs always make it onto air? Made a tip few weeks back with a Q about Marvel exploring R rated movies and DC going for the lighter vibe of early Marvel under Gunn.
They're supposed to. If you'd like to launch a refund, I will refund you your money, brother.
Im sure these two will be fine theyve had way worse fights lol they just get heated/passionate about stuff. Probably bcuz theyre both good at what they do
Lol! The insneider forgot "you don't tell the Outlaw what to do!" I mistakenly crossed that path and the Outlaw clapped back.
John I love you but sometimes is not about race or color beef is about perspective how different cultures and stereotypes act in different situations.
Bro, you have no idea what that show is about if you have such a limited POV on it. It's about so much more than that. How "stereotypes act in different situations"? I mean what??? lol
That's what Jeff gets for bring a Melissa Barrera Haters.
Holy shit Batman!! What an ending! If this doesn't bring you back to the HOT MIC! Then...you just suck!! 😂😂 Love you two! This was awesome! Classic John an Jeff. Oh an Rocha...as a Black guy. Why is it a no go that Blackman can't or...shouldn't play a serial killer? Is that only other Races can murder? Lol come on my brotha. But love you regardless. An I understand how YOU think the "optics" your fav word will look like. But to say a Blackman shouldn't or it isn't in the best interest for a black man to play a serial is a tad nuts. How about black Vampires? Basically a serial killer...an don't pull that supernatural factor outta your ass. Murder is murder...regardless of method, venue or race. Dam, I wrote a novella.😂😂😂😂 much love you guys an the whole Hot Mic Fam!!❤❤
Wh tf is everything getting a remake/reboot?
American Psycho, Naked Gun and so on
Things are getting a little too spicy for the pepper 🌶️
Jeff's tank top is the epic-ness that we need on Tuesday mornings.
#InSneiderArmy
I think a neckerchief would have tied the ensemble together. 👍
Come on guys Jurrasic league is obviously Elseworlds
Spicy episode lol
Rocha is such a cringe Feminist 😄😄😄😄😄😄
1:25:23 Jeff out here really pretending that recency bias isn’t a thing 😂.
😂 things happen lol. We’re all human. He was looking quite antsy toward the end anyway, and then his ego was a little bruised when he couldn’t name 10 female killer movies. Because he already had a lot on his mind, so his brain was farting.
Shakespeare in love over saving private ryan is blasphemous
Haha! It's just an opinion, man.
@@JohnRochaSays all good brother.. love the show and topics...
Support for casting people of color, shows that focus on others perspective, and bringing more culture to people is awesome. Saying that you don't like a show because the actors are white and making up situations that forced someone to cast white people without any sources for this project is a little crazy. I agree we have plenty of white stories but hating on something because the cast is white, when the creator of the show is Asian is a little off the handle i feel. Just throwing my voice out there for whatever it is worth
Except I didn't say I didn't like a show for those reasons. I said that I would have preferred them to keep it to Asian actors or POC actors. That's all. It's people like you who twist and manipulate simple feelings into these big things. I hope you can figure that out about yourself one day.
@JohnRochaSays You said you weren't a fan of beef season 2 because it was going to be a white story and it should have been kept POC.... Just give it a shot and don't write it off so easily simply because the creator chose to tell this story. You implied that maybe Netflix decided it should be a white story for season two....that is manipulating a small thing into something big like you said I do.... just saying
@@dustink2763 No. It's called speculation and analysis which is what we do on this show. Is this your first time watching our show? We speculate on shit all the time. I never said I wouldn't give it a shot. Not liking an idea or an approach doesn’t mean I won't watch it or that people shouldnt watch it.
There was an American Psycho 2 sequel already made with Mila Kunis.
Didnt like Shanes Monologue...but the Jamaican church sketch and the trump sneaker bit were great
didn’t they do American psycho 2 with mila kunis already?
Yep. And no one saw it and it was terrible. Doesn't count.
@@JohnRochaSays well it’s a movie that exists that’s literally called American Psycho 2. Just because it’s not a classic like the original doesn’t mean you can say it doesn’t count. it can be done better for sure but it still counts as part of the franchise. I’d love to see Rebecca Ferguson take on a role like that if they’re going down that lane again, I feel her personality on the Dune press tour has shined beautifully and would be exciting to see in a role like this.
@@tannersgarden Nah. Its a straight to DVD effort from a time when they made those films to make money and not to add to any kind of lore. A theatrical adaptation would be seen by more people and would be a natural successor to the original film.
It's only in America that think animation for kids and teenagers where other parts of the world see it as another art form like anime which audience has no age range
A non-Asian man telling an Asian how he’s supposed to cast his show in the name of diversity isn’t very progressive
Expressing an opinion about a preference is not telling anyone anything. What’s wrong with you? I didn’t call him up and tell him how he should cast his show. I said that I would’ve PREFERRED the show not cast white people as the leads. I mean I’m allowed to express an opinion, am I not? What’s wrong with some of y’all?
American psycho 2 with Mila kunis was trash
U guys good? 😰
Jamie has bad ideas.
I am fine with remakes, people have a weird aversion just on principle most of the time, but american psycho specifically feels like it *IS* already the kind of remake you would make today (directed by a woman [expertly might I add] as well as having women in the writing staff making sure it doesn't veer into power fantasy-land) so I... don't see where you *can* go other than basically re-issuing it for those who haven't seen the story? It is one of the more modern, even still, feeling movies so I actually don't see the upside here (when normally I can).
Best of luck to anyone who tackles it obviously cause that's a big hill to climb (i suppose you could try it with a female lead but I do not see the commentary being AS strong in that direction verses a male character, plus promising young woman pretty much just did [also expertly I might add] that).
EDIT: Darkseid's dinosaur name sent me lol, also 'grats on getting into cinemacon Rochs.
Mila Kunis was literally in American Psycho 2 lmao
I hope one day I look as good as Jeff does in a tank top
Dune 2 will do Oppenheimer total numbers or better
American Pysco 2 with Mila Kunis
Yes. No one saw it and it was straight to DVD and terrible. And no one knows that movie and she is the wrong choice.
Gee I hope you guys made up, and there will be another show
Every 2nd Scream movie has a female serial killer and the first one even references Pamela Voorhees. It's everything but a foreign concept but to come up with ten movies about any topic on the spot is never easy. Like... Name ten movies about horses or ten where the protagonist has a mustache?
Not even remotely the same thing. American Psycho is a solitary person committing these murders as a commentary on society whether they’re in his mind or not. Scream is not even remotely close to the same thing cause it’s usually a group effort and a bunch of kids getting their jollies off killing people. Two completely different tones and approaches.
Yes, but you can always say that the tone's different. I was just naming a few examples for female serial killers in movies. Would you accept films like Orphan, Audition or All the Boys love Mandy Lane? Also: The murders in Scream are always a commentary on society and the influence of media on our psyche, at least from the killers' perspectives. @@JohnRochaSays
This animated DC project doesn’t make any sense. Gun said going forward all the animated movies are part of his universe and this project seems way out of whack to blend with his live action universe.
Everyone in the live chat COMPLETELY missing the point of Sneider saying that animation is for kids. He's talking from a studio exec, business perspective.
Jeff is right. SNL host was funny. I wasn't easily offended he was telling jokes about being awkward.
Is there heat between John and Perri?
Hell no perri and John follow each other
Nah.
Wtf
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