Does he do the installations himself?. Normally such jobs are carried oit by electricians. Photo is an engineer. Engineering barely has any practical training.
Pretty much yes... but i think hes ok.... i sill waiting an surprise video in the future... and his channel still growing up in subscribers... imagine if he still make videos.... his channel would have 1 milion subscribers.... I am sorry and appologize for my rusty english
2 things to point out : 1) Probably the only video where Photon is not blowing something up 2) He makes the most organized contraptions in the world. It is not messy, cables neatly packed in the little box. Even the giant power supply he has made is neat. Btw, my lights are literally kind of flickering and we are in a storm. Imagine if my power goes out literally while I am typing a comment on a video that shows how to have power when your power goes out. That would be hillarious lol :)
we all know whats coming. i've noticed solar acts as a UPS at too and DIY solar is waaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy cheaper, especially with Lifepo4 destroying lead acid and ruling the market with it's insane life span of 10 years plus vs 3 for lead acid.
"my lights are literally kind of flickering and we are in a storm" maybe your electricity comes from a cable on a pole? terrible, but it works mine flicker randomly when it's perfectly still, only when a supercell formed over the balkans recently did they flicker twice in rapid succession, i think the building uses underground cables
This guy is a lot smarter than I thought and I figured he was pretty sharp before. Great idea to save some $$$ to power your house & reducing prime time loads on the grid.
Great if you can source and install it all yourself, I hate to think how much this would cost the average Joe to have installed, the cost would take many years to balance before you start saving money on KWh peak time imports.
Fun fact: Electricity is cheaper at night due to build up in the grid. So it's to get more people to burn power at night times. Sometimes so much electricity ends up in the grid that power can end up being free. Although with the UK power shortages at the moment that's highly unlikely, at least until they finish building Hinkley station. The most expensive time are between 4pm and 8pm.
As a marine engineer I have worked on a designed setups like that countless times on boats using both sure power wind and solar But never thought of using it to utilise the cheap rate household power. Food for thought . Big fan by the way love your smarts craziness and style keep it up . Ben
That is a beautiful thing. When Armageddon comes and the batteries go dead for long periods without mains you can use the renamed the PV/Wind input for the diesel generator that will charge it all back up until the mains come live again.
man when I first saw one of his videos I thought he was just a dumb guy that doesn't know what hes doing just breaking shit lol but man this guy is a master electrician smart as fuck !! I would never know any of this stuff ..
***** He did a vid a while ago saying he fixes industrial laundry machines. He went onsite somewhere and changed a clothes dryer drum in under a minute or something.
I've been a sparks for 16 years and not once did i think of this, i feel ashamed. I've only just found this channel and i'm utterly amazed, please keep up the good work and vids! Just one thought, you mentioned being qualified to carry this out... you do realise you must state which qualification they need unless you want a load of Chefs blowing their faces off. The world is a stupid place.
well this is the UK, if you keep quiet about it they'll never bother you, they don't even check if tenants have adequate fire safety/alarms, but we can use that to our advantage as long as we know what we're doing, and as long as we can undo it when we leave the property
Love this sort of stuff! I could watch your videos all day, im starting an Electrical Engineering Apprenticeship this July, honestly cant wait :) Great videos and great channel!
In 2021 you have high power Lithium Cells and with a higher wattage inverter you could theoretically run the entire house including the oven and shower, oh how things have improved. I'm impressed this was achieved all that time ago
Since you work in the industry you might get things a bit cheaper but the cost is way more than £700. Those Rolls S-600 are at least 300 each. Those pure sign inverters are expensive as fuck. I got a second hand never used Mascot 600 watt pure sign for an absolute bargain but they're normally ten times what I paid for mine. That 1500 inverter is 700 alone. Those wires ain't cheap and that panel is a lot. But I really dig your setup.
Regardless if the price of power does not change during the day and night and you don't save any money by doing this, you STILL have a powerful backup source of power for your entire house, and when/if something goes seriously bad and the neighborhood's out, you'll be the smart fellow with all the lights on, living easy. I'd opt for a larger setup since I'm not fussy about background noise, though.
Terryblount Not at all. The trucks don't have to deal with the problem of making it work seamlessly with or without the mains supply which is the real puzzle here.
***** I would not say so. If you're charging during night and draining batteries during day, you're cycling it quite a lot and it will result in worn out batteries in quite a short time (2 years maybe), then you will need to replace it. Now count how much you will save at rate difference, subtract some efficiency loses (pumping all energy through inverters 2 times - when charging and so when discharging plus chemical process in batteries) and compare it to prize of batteries. As a backup solution it's definitely great and can run for years (10?) in frequent blackouts easily, but I don't believe it will actually save you money if your night rate is not just 20% of day rate or so...
Pavol Čuj Of course. The storage of energy is a standing engineering challenge. Doing it with lead-acid batteries cannot be viable, unless an aggressive night-saving plan is in place, probably not even then. Maybe one day, when we get used, but still properly working car lithium batteries for handyman purposes, it could work. There is pumped-storage hydroelectricity type of plant that works better than any batteries for this purpose.
Well done! I've been planning doing this for awhile now, and got some very good tips from watching this. It's not uncommon here to get ice storms that knock the grid out for 7-10 days at a time. The gasoline generator is noisy and thirsty. A battery backup would allow me to run the house off of it, and only start up the generator to recharge it every couple of days. Not only would it save gas (petrol), but sometimes, during large outages, you can't buy gas locally. Either they sell out if, or they don't have power to run the pumps. Thank You for this. And welcome back! :-)
Hey mate ! Still on the subject of non-destructive power, can u do an educational vid talking about surge protectors and other forms of protecting our junk. It's nice to see educational stuff every now and then...with some stress-testing and popping Photonicinduction style in the end, of course ;) :D See what those so-called protectors can take and what the limits are. You're the chap to do it. Cheers ! -Danny
I love the organized manner in which you presented your components and terminations along with the immaculate conditions. Great job. Your system is similar to systems we use in hospitals in the US. The battery banks are used to supply power to critical systems while the generators come online. A typical household in the US could not run on the batteries you have for a second...maybe a second. We have too much demand. We would need a bank about 6-10 times the size. The prices you cite in your videos are not representative of our inflated egos here in the US. Batteries to run our house would cost as much as a car. My electricity rates are a flat rate. I does not matter if it is peak/ not peak operating hours, sadly. Thank you. Electrician & Environmental Engineer
What do you think of the newly announced Tesla powerwall home system. Crunching the numbers compared to your system. Shot out both the systems in terms of capacity and user convenience and long term savings and safety.
With the potential for organised blackouts in the coming months, I am strongly considering a setup like this. I'll go with lithium phosphate batteries, though, thanks to their much better lifespan.
@@jamescollins6085 aging wheels just pulled apart an 11 t 13 year old prototype EV pack made of Lifpo4 round cells that have not been charged for 8 years and put them in an EV lawn mower, they blew even new lead acid golf cart batteries right out the water despite thier years of neglect.
@@jamescollins6085 well then youay trap the rewards it's been absolutey gang busters with new products and price drops the past year or three. I've started investing in Lifepo4 I have nothing to loose vs constantly buying lead acid batteries. Curious what the next 21 months bring
Yeah, in the video he mentioned the batteries had 10 years of shelf life. I'd love to see a long-term review video where he mentions his experiences with the system and what he'd do differently today. After all, it's nearly been 10 years (bloody hell).
Wow. I was looking into stuff like this to power the television for an upcoming ice storm... The whole concept of using all of your power at night is a fantastic idea.
Ignoring the 150Ah Yuasa, what was the reason for having 2 6v batteries in series for 12v 100Ah and not 2 12v batteries in parallel for extra capacity?
parallel batteries require a swamping resistor to keep both batteries at approximately the same voltage, and balance the load. As you know a battery has an internal resistance, or the ESR. This resistance plays a role in which battery discharges first, and therefore shortens the lifetime of the battery. Series goes out of balance when using a 12V charger to charge two 6V (series) batteries, but internally thats how a 12V battery is wired. Anyway, i am thoroughly perplexed by the neatness of the wiring and the thought that went into that setup. And a note to photon, PV panels work on UV not 'light', so cloudy weather is no problem! You of course do benefit from full sun but it is better than NO solar, may be a useful investment with all that money you saved on electricity with that battery backup?
"Could probably destroy my inverter if I did that. Naughty" I love this guy. I've been a fan since I was little, from at least 6 years ago and I love watching back and understanding more of what you say every time. Great channel and a fantastic laugh every video :)
When I did electronics at school one of my fun tricks was rigging relays up to a sine wave generator - or even a walkman and amplifier. At first people would wonder why I had built something to produce such low quality sound.... until I invited them to point out where the loudspeaker was in the circuit and getting confused looks and people asking 'what the f**k?'
I was thinking the exact same thing! Although I was a prototype engineer in electronics many years ago things have changed so much since that I would be lost nowadays. I could certainly follow a blueprint though.
DarkMantisSr To a lesser extent, so was I. I did computer engineering in the 90s - I can follow a schematic as well, but I'm no electrician, let alone a reverse engineer.
It's very easy. A bare-bone system is a DPDT relay whose coil (230V AC) is connected to the mains, the normally closed terminal goes to the mains, the normally open one to the inverter. The common goes to your load. When the mains fail, the relay will open connecting the inverter. When the mains is working again, the relay closes disconnecting the inverter and reconnecting the grid. Then you can add more features. You can add a timer that turns on another relay connected to a charger so it only charges when it's cheap time. You can add a delay so you avoid burning the inverter when the relay switches You can add contactors in parallel to the relay in order to increase the power that the system can handle His version is just the bare-bone plus some extras like circuit breakers and protection circuits, the timer, the delay, the contactors and some indicator lights. It's just very simple electromechanics. You can even get away without using a single electronic part (if you use an electromechanical timer and delay)
To be legal you'd need a qualified electrician to install this. Cost around 6000 for this or 5400 for a Tesla Powerwall which includes a warranty and more storage.
This isn't marketed towards regular people. It's "marketed" for people that actually understand it just by seeing what is shown in the video, probably because they are already at least qualified electricians (or electrical engineers etc.) So you would only pay the price of the materials. And you also need a qualified electrician for installation of a Powerwall.
This is excellent! We had a powercut here in 2002 when the snow was freezing around the electric powerlines. They got some hundrets of kilogrammes of ice between two pylons, so the pylons collapsed. Having no electricity is terrible nowadays. Nice to see this perfect and constructive work - but KEEP UP THE FLAMES!
LED is not all it's cracked up to be - at least not the 'modern' fixed ones. My mother moved into a recently renovated retirement unit where they'd put in all LED stuff. A light went out after 3 months so I climbed up there with the ladder to replace whatever bulb was in it - only it's not a bulb is it, all hard wired into the ceiling...and dead after 3 months use. Cue the expensive house call from the electrician who then had to order the part and come back a second time to change it out. Where the fuck is my promised 20 years service life? Oh that's right they're stuffed full of driver circuits that can fail at any time now because of course they're all made in China to their usual brilliant quality standards. And you're absolutely stuck with whatever wattage / lumens the fixture puts out - if you want a bit more light in one corner you can't simply change to a higher wattage bulb. Sheer idiocy permanently affixing these things. I don't mind LED screw-in bulbs so much, I use them where I live now. But once again the claimed lifetime of these things is outright lies. When I moved into my current flat 4 years ago it was all LED screw-in bulbs already here but they virtually all had to be replaced within the first year, all except the ones in the spare room that isn't really used. Maybe the LED chips might last, but the driver circuits are all shit. Fuck LED.
I don't even use the grid. hydro electric power. with 2 inch peton wheel and 3 motor inverters! with 4 industrial batteries and a logic controller. My neighbor is a qualified electioneer. he helped me on this and he uses a similar system.
joe m Good idea, be careful though. I read a story of a guy here in England who did the same thing, when the water authorities found out, they tried to bill him for using their water. What next? Air tax for windmills?
TTKMKaizen Dude. I know that it is in my property. Some water company asked if they could set up a little lower down from where I am. I said yes anyway And when I brought my current property, It even stated on the sale document that the river is on my land. I think that they tax too much. Can't they just tax the companies like Google (who don't pay taxes)?
I'm just blown away at the work you did here. I could totally see myself doing something like this, provided I had to pay for my own electricity, but I don't. I wasn't sure what you meant by the (Econo Lighting) Then I realized, here in the states, we refer to it as fluorescent lighting. I have to agree, and say that EVERYONE should be using such lighting in as many places as they can. It sad to know that most people in the US, are STILL using incandescent bulbs at this time, while some countries have banned the sales / purchase, and use of them since 2007. It's mind blowing to think that CUBA banned them back in 2005. Wow, CUBA, ahead of the US in a green matter. Not that it's an alternative, but I took it one step further. LED's I don't think, could replace the brightness of Fluorescent Lighting, but I even installed strips in our pantry, where conventional lighting would not help, nor would it be allowed. One bulb way up above the pantry would not light up the divided sections of food, where a small strip of LED's allowed us to see each section at ease. The only thing I'm unsure of in your set up, as far as cost wise here in the US, is the nice blocks you have for the switch, panel, breakers, timer, and such, would surely be expensive here. I could easily see just those parts costing us well over $2,500. Good job man, but since I know your background based on prior videos, it doesn't shock me.
Flipping hell Do you work in a nuclear power station ? You play with electricity like its a joke . But always With knowledge not out of stupidity . Your videos are brilliant Right up my Street , I only wish I could understand what a watt is compared to an volt , Is an electricity watt different to a speaker watt? Or what, Like an Amplifier that's rated about 90watts Has 225 watts on the back of it for eg.
+Mark C all the same. no other measurement apart from the Watt. Power is measured in Watts and a Watt is the Voltage (Volts) "times" the Current (Amps)
A watt is a unit which can be used for any system which dissipates/absorbs energy. It's broken down as joules per second (J/s). So the speaker which says 225 watts on it is indicating that it is comfortable with dissipating 225 watts of electrical power provided by the amplifier as acoustic energy. The amount of watts dissipated by the speaker is equal to the voltage across the terminals of the voice coil multiplied by the current flowing through it. As in P = IV (P is power(watts), I is current(Amps) and V is voltage). I do believe that the 225 watt figure on the back of the speaker is an average of sorts, in reality there will be transient events which could cause the speaker to operate way above its rated range, but they don't damage the speaker if they're not too high because they last for a very short time. 90 watts on the back of the amplifier indicates that 90 watts is the maximum amount of energy that the amplifier can supply the speaker.
+motown shogunate Tooo much , All I do know is a 400watt rms speaker played off a 90watt per channel rms amplifier distorts very easily but when same 400watt rms speaker played from a power amplifier rated with say 600watts rms the Amp not running at full capacity is maxing out the speaker , But then with cheap speakers they might go loud tone flat , but heavy bass they blow them selves to bits .
In the case of your 400W speaker and 90W per channel amp, it's actually the amplifier output that's distorting, not the speaker which has far greater power handling capacity than the amp. The output voltage of any analogue amplifier is limited by its power supply rails (typically around 70 to 80 volts DC on the positve and negative rails depending on the design). When you max out the volume to try and drive more acoustic power (sound energy) out of the speaker, the peaks of the audio signal run into the amp's power supply rail limits and get "clipped" flat, which is why this kind of distortion is known as "clipping". This results in the amp's maximum positive/negative DC voltage output applied across the speaker's voice coil which causes it to heat up very quickly, creates horrible nasty distortion and burns out the speaker very fast. The type of distortion caused by over-driving a smaller speaker with a bigger amp is more gentle and will take much longer to destroy the speaker as the voice coil gradually heats up to the limit of its power handling capacity. Many speakers have protective devices built in to prevent this kind of damage, but they can't protect against clipping. So it's a bit counter-intuitive, but it's actually much easier to blow up a big speaker with a small amp, than blowing up a small speaker with a big amp! By the way, google "Ohm's Law" to get a greater understanding of the relationship between power (Watts), voltage (Volts), and current (Amps). It is the most basic fundamental law of electromagnetism, pretty much the first thing that every electrician or electronics technician/engineer learns. Good place to start if you want to know more.
Cool your jets Bill, you best be looking after your sexual assault allegations. Nobody copied anything from AvE. AvE got the icon from Adafruit: blog.adafruit.com/2011/10/19/the-magic-blue-smoke-monster/ as it existed before AvE even made his TH-cam channel which was on Feb 24, 2012.
I personally love this. I myself would like a backup/main supply like this. Living in America, I don't think we have high and low rates but a power backup/supply is still very handy for power cuts and what not. I would love to have a wiring diagram to pour over and study, and maybe a parts list. what ever have you I thank you for the video. great encouragement for me to get started on my own setup.
Some power companies in the states do have different rates depending on the time of day if you have a smart meter. The power co. I use in Maryland for example do this.
The meter is simply two meters on a timer. The lower meter counts during the day, the upper meter counts at night. When billing time comes around, they charge a different rate for each.
In the bad old days of Metal Halide lamps it wouldn't have helped, they draw too much power for this system. These days, with LED lamps, you can run a small grow room off your mains supply and nobody would be the wiser, it would be equivalent to running a small electric heater. Or you could run a BIG operation off this kind of system, balancing the load between the batteries and the mains, and cycling banks of lamps on/off for charging. Er, at least, that's what a friend told me....
'thoroughly enjoy your vids. You provide great, down-to-earth explanations for daunting and complicated ideas/concepts/theories. Thanks very very much for all you do providing videos my friend.
Spot on - I also have a system like this in my house. Installed by me. Since I live in the house, I have put far more care into the construction of the system than I would ever expect from an outside sourced electrician. For example I have fitting ALL heavy duty cable terminals with a ferrule or eye terminal brazed' with solder AND crimped. I am on batteries at this very moment and I've been off of mains for 16 years. I just charge the batteries for three hours each day off a Diesel Generator.
My profession is mainly in computing (hardware and software) but I do have a good understanding of main electronic, not to your immense level. The point is, from what you have shown, its incredibly well put together, tidy as fuck. I have had qualified technicians do work in this house and some of the time I have had to clean up after their slap dash efforts. So massive kudos to you sir, very nice work.
"It's not complicated. Quite straight forward"
*Shows a 747 cockpit spliced with a nuclear power station
Drew Layton Darn true LOLL
Drew Layton where?
Drew Layton you have seen a different video then
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lmao I was going to say something similar.
7:47 "looks messy dunnit?"...
Bloody hell mate, it's neater than probably 75% of the switchboards I've ever seen. Bit of a work of art actually. :)
agreed one very neat well thought out panel
Probably looks a bit exciting round the back, but he wins massive points just for the labelling alone. :)
Better than most electricity company installations for the average domestic household systems m8 :)
Does he do the installations himself?. Normally such jobs are carried oit by electricians. Photo is an engineer. Engineering barely has any practical training.
You wouldn't see a neater wiring job here in australia.
He created Tesla Powerwall before it was cool.
+MMedic PHOTON BUILT THIS IN A CAVE! With a bunch of scrap!
He is the true Ironman.
Tesla pretends to be this guy.
OMG I thought this was a 4 year ago TH-cam vid 😳 . 9 years ago ! Fuck me what foresight 🤔🤔👌👌👌👌
Imagine LED lights and tv efficiency 😳 ? Home appliances . But not the kettle /microwave 🤭🤭🤭🤭
A power wall cost £10,000 and Photons setup costs £700 and stores more power and has higher output.
Wish this guy would come back.. you tube misses him.
Pretty much yes... but i think hes ok.... i sill waiting an surprise video in the future... and his channel still growing up in subscribers... imagine if he still make videos.... his channel would have 1 milion subscribers....
I am sorry and appologize for my rusty english
Hes ok, hes still alive. I watch Wayne's Electrical (a friend of mr photon) hes been collaborating with him actually
That video is coming
He Came back today!!
@@gabrielvieira6529 He's back!
2 things to point out :
1) Probably the only video where Photon is not blowing something up
2) He makes the most organized contraptions in the world. It is not messy, cables neatly packed in
the little box. Even the giant power supply he has made is neat.
Btw, my lights are literally kind of flickering and we are in a storm. Imagine if my power goes out
literally while I am typing a comment on a video that shows how to have power when your power
goes out. That would be hillarious lol :)
we all know whats coming. i've noticed solar acts as a UPS at too and DIY solar is waaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy cheaper, especially with Lifepo4 destroying lead acid and ruling the market with it's insane life span of 10 years plus vs 3 for lead acid.
"my lights are literally kind of flickering and we are in a storm" maybe your electricity comes from a cable on a pole? terrible, but it works
mine flicker randomly when it's perfectly still, only when a supercell formed over the balkans recently did they flicker twice in rapid succession, i think the building uses underground cables
Some say when Earth ended... he was the last man to be watching Walking Dead re-runs.
You remind me of Jeremy Clarkson as he usually starts his sentences with "...Some say..." right before he switches over to The Stig. ;D
haha :D
Some say that was the end of Photonicinduction, others say it was just the beginning. No one ever says it was the middle.
He has a cordless landline. This really is 2012.
i have one today
This guy is a lot smarter than I thought and I figured he was pretty sharp before. Great idea to save some $$$ to power your house & reducing prime time loads on the grid.
£££ lol
Yeah. Not a bad idea, at all. At very least, it got the gears in my head turning.
Great if you can source and install it all yourself, I hate to think how much this would cost the average Joe to have installed, the cost would take many years to balance before you start saving money on KWh peak time imports.
Fun fact: Electricity is cheaper at night due to build up in the grid. So it's to get more people to burn power at night times. Sometimes so much electricity ends up in the grid that power can end up being free. Although with the UK power shortages at the moment that's highly unlikely, at least until they finish building Hinkley station.
The most expensive time are between 4pm and 8pm.
As a marine engineer I have worked on a designed setups like that countless times on boats using both sure power wind and solar But never thought of using it to utilise the cheap rate household power. Food for thought . Big fan by the way love your smarts craziness and style keep it up . Ben
That is a beautiful thing. When Armageddon comes and the batteries go dead for long periods without mains you can use the renamed the PV/Wind input for the diesel generator that will charge it all back up until the mains come live again.
Windows XP Pentium 4 in 2012, glad to see someone still using a perfectly adequate old system.
At that point, I would have used Windows 8 with plans to upgrade to Windows 8.1, despite extended support still in effect in 2012. 😡😡
I have Windows XP the original
TheRebornNewb :0 No service packs?
I have Windows XP professional 2002 IBM thinkpad
He did this video in 28 Mar 2012....
I watch just one of Photonicinduction video, and I easily find myself watching a marathon of his videos!
Welcome to the binge.
man when I first saw one of his videos I thought he was just a dumb guy that doesn't know what hes doing just breaking shit lol but man this guy is a master electrician smart as fuck !! I would never know any of this stuff ..
If he didn't know his stuff, he'd have been dead before his first video.
I'm surprised by how neat and tidy it is considering his usual uh... safety
***** He did a vid a while ago saying he fixes industrial laundry machines. He went onsite somewhere and changed a clothes dryer drum in under a minute or something.
+cornish guilt hahaha yeah the burning carpet
I believe he's an electrical engineer.
What a madman! Safety first though. He proves those cheap testers are dangerous
Very nice system. Well built and professional as well.
I've been a sparks for 16 years and not once did i think of this, i feel ashamed. I've only just found this channel and i'm utterly amazed, please keep up the good work and vids! Just one thought, you mentioned being qualified to carry this out... you do realise you must state which qualification they need unless you want a load of Chefs blowing their faces off. The world is a stupid place.
bobbieslandy Agreed :)))
well this is the UK, if you keep quiet about it they'll never bother you, they don't even check if tenants have adequate fire safety/alarms, but we can use that to our advantage as long as we know what we're doing, and as long as we can undo it when we leave the property
You're learning!? What a looser! :-P
Love this sort of stuff! I could watch your videos all day, im starting an Electrical Engineering Apprenticeship this July, honestly cant wait :) Great videos and great channel!
'I can even upload a youtube vid in a power cut, how fukin' handy is that'.. lol
Your wiring, electrical work, labeling, everything... so very nice to look at. It's good to see!
Best channel on youtube,bet he's single,house insurance voided :)))))
Love it
he was actually married lol
+Jack stolzenberger i know he's divorced. but he was previously married.
Hes recently got married but the home office refuse to give his wife a visa to come here.
This guy is who would come out if Danny Dyer and John Ward had a son.
Nice inverter ! Pretty good setup ! Thanks a lot for this backup system tour !
In 2021 you have high power Lithium Cells and with a higher wattage inverter you could theoretically run the entire house including the oven and shower, oh how things have improved. I'm impressed this was achieved all that time ago
Cant tell if hes an evil genius or Tony Stark
TheGreatWarrior123 a bit of both!
Hmm. Maybe more like the British version of Tony Stark.
Yes
Tony spark
Nikolas Bellic
Since you work in the industry you might get things a bit cheaper but the cost is way more than £700. Those Rolls S-600 are at least 300 each.
Those pure sign inverters are expensive as fuck. I got a second hand never used Mascot 600 watt pure sign for an absolute bargain but they're normally ten times what I paid for mine. That 1500 inverter is 700 alone. Those wires ain't cheap and that panel is a lot.
But I really dig your setup.
SquirrelFromGradLife yea pure sinewave generators are really expensive, I bet those easily cost 700
You can get used server UPSs pretty cheaply, abd some of them do pure sine wave
it gets even more expensive here where i live, so i build my own with the EGS002 sine wave (spwm) and old UPS parts..
Total genius! Love the video's mate, that backup system is professional quality - well done.
Love the set up you have!
Regardless if the price of power does not change during the day and night and you don't save any money by doing this, you STILL have a powerful backup source of power for your entire house, and when/if something goes seriously bad and the neighborhood's out, you'll be the smart fellow with all the lights on, living easy. I'd opt for a larger setup since I'm not fussy about background noise, though.
1500 watts is hardly “powerful”. Your microwave will max it out.
1:27 did you fart?
Lolololololol
*****
hahahhaa
***** i fooookin LOL'ed
+Austin O'Neal Oh yesss he did...
or did he pop? :P
+Agustin Cesar you mean shart
Awesome build, Thanks for sharing.
I'm loving all the old vids being recommended again! So young here mate!
This is really clever! Great idea.
Do you think you'll be ever making a commercial product out of the prototype?
Every truck on the road has the same setup to run tv, microwave, etc. from an inverter.
Terryblount
Not at all. The trucks don't have to deal with the problem of making it work seamlessly with or without the mains supply which is the real puzzle here.
***** I would not say so. If you're charging during night and draining batteries during day, you're cycling it quite a lot and it will result in worn out batteries in quite a short time (2 years maybe), then you will need to replace it. Now count how much you will save at rate difference, subtract some efficiency loses (pumping all energy through inverters 2 times - when charging and so when discharging plus chemical process in batteries) and compare it to prize of batteries. As a backup solution it's definitely great and can run for years (10?) in frequent blackouts easily, but I don't believe it will actually save you money if your night rate is not just 20% of day rate or so...
Pavol Čuj
Of course. The storage of energy is a standing engineering challenge. Doing it with lead-acid batteries cannot be viable, unless an aggressive night-saving plan is in place, probably not even then. Maybe one day, when we get used, but still properly working car lithium batteries for handyman purposes, it could work. There is pumped-storage hydroelectricity type of plant that works better than any batteries for this purpose.
9:23, god i love that noise
Nothing like the sound of a contactor pulling in
Very nice mate, thanks for sharing with us.
Neal Ward
Well done!
I've been planning doing this for awhile now, and got some very good tips from watching this. It's not uncommon here to get ice storms that knock the grid out for 7-10 days at a time.
The gasoline generator is noisy and thirsty. A battery backup would allow me to run the house off of it, and only start up the generator to recharge it every couple of days. Not only would it save gas (petrol), but sometimes, during large outages, you can't buy gas locally. Either they sell out if, or they don't have power to run the pumps.
Thank You for this.
And welcome back!
:-)
Looks awesome!
Now that LED lights are so cheap, I'm sure you've replaced all the incandescent bulbs by now, giving you, even more, time offline!
I would love to have the schematics for this supply it seems incredibly useful and would love to be able to have one for myself :)
If you need to ask for schematics, you shouldn't be building such a thing.
Great workmanship, everything neatly labeled!
i'm really glad this video is back up, thanks!
mine is still in the research stage. hopefully it will be done by the end of the year.
Hey mate ! Still on the subject of non-destructive power, can u do an educational vid talking about surge protectors and other forms of protecting our junk. It's nice to see educational stuff every now and then...with some stress-testing and popping Photonicinduction style in the end, of course ;) :D See what those so-called protectors can take and what the limits are. You're the chap to do it. Cheers !
-Danny
DOC brown.... the early years...
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you have one hell of a backbone to work with. very well done!
Glad to see there are still people that can think laterally and for themselves. Top man!!
I love the organized manner in which you presented your components and terminations along with the immaculate conditions. Great job. Your system is similar to systems we use in hospitals in the US.
The battery banks are used to supply power to critical systems while the generators come online.
A typical household in the US could not run on the batteries you have for a second...maybe a second. We have too much demand. We would need a bank about 6-10 times the size.
The prices you cite in your videos are not representative of our inflated egos here in the US. Batteries to run our house would cost as much as a car.
My electricity rates are a flat rate. I does not matter if it is peak/ not peak operating hours, sadly.
Thank you.
Electrician & Environmental Engineer
Maxwell Goodacre omg what do u folks have in the US?!
@@therealb888 No damned switches on power points, that's what.
Biggest shocker for somebody moving here from Aus.
Great way to save money!
I gotta say, very nicely done! What a professional install. Now all you need is an operation and service manual for the next homeowner.
Some lovely neat wiring in there sir!
How does this set up go with your new LED retro fit? How much lower is the load on the inverter?
What do you think of the newly announced Tesla powerwall home system. Crunching the numbers compared to your system. Shot out both the systems in terms of capacity and user convenience and long term savings and safety.
Great set up
This is a bloody great idea why hasn't everyone done this
You made the BatBox, now on to the MFE and the MFSU.
Use thermal expansion and fuck EU love RF
nice, tekkit reference
With the potential for organised blackouts in the coming months, I am strongly considering a setup like this. I'll go with lithium phosphate batteries, though, thanks to their much better lifespan.
Lifepo4 is the shiznite!
@@cdoublejj Certainly is. I've seen some batteries warrantied for 10 years.
@@jamescollins6085 aging wheels just pulled apart an 11 t 13 year old prototype EV pack made of Lifpo4 round cells that have not been charged for 8 years and put them in an EV lawn mower, they blew even new lead acid golf cart batteries right out the water despite thier years of neglect.
@@cdoublejj I'm so glad I will be a late adopter of solar power as I'll get to benefit from these mature technologies.
@@jamescollins6085 well then youay trap the rewards it's been absolutey gang busters with new products and price drops the past year or three. I've started investing in Lifepo4 I have nothing to loose vs constantly buying lead acid batteries. Curious what the next 21 months bring
Bloody brilliant.
how have i not come across your videos before they are wicked. keep up thw good stuff mate
Is this system still in use?
Yeah, in the video he mentioned the batteries had 10 years of shelf life. I'd love to see a long-term review video where he mentions his experiences with the system and what he'd do differently today. After all, it's nearly been 10 years (bloody hell).
THAT IS GENIUS.
google Tesla Powerwall. You can buy one of these pretty easily these days
Except Photon did it a decade before Elon Musk did!
Pure genius... Thanks for posting...
Wow. I was looking into stuff like this to power the television for an upcoming ice storm... The whole concept of using all of your power at night is a fantastic idea.
Professor PI (photoinduction), you rule... I mean it, you RUUUUULE.
Ignoring the 150Ah Yuasa, what was the reason for having 2 6v batteries in series for 12v 100Ah and not 2 12v batteries in parallel for extra capacity?
+Alex Scott you can pull allot more current from two 6v
+Alex Scott
Parallel banks go out of balance.
+zogworth no, series goes out of balance
yes series becomes out of balance parallel equals itself out
parallel batteries require a swamping resistor to keep both batteries at approximately the same voltage, and balance the load. As you know a battery has an internal resistance, or the ESR. This resistance plays a role in which battery discharges first, and therefore shortens the lifetime of the battery. Series goes out of balance when using a 12V charger to charge two 6V (series) batteries, but internally thats how a 12V battery is wired. Anyway, i am thoroughly perplexed by the neatness of the wiring and the thought that went into that setup. And a note to photon, PV panels work on UV not 'light', so cloudy weather is no problem! You of course do benefit from full sun but it is better than NO solar, may be a useful investment with all that money you saved on electricity with that battery backup?
"Could probably destroy my inverter if I did that. Naughty" I love this guy. I've been a fan since I was little, from at least 6 years ago and I love watching back and understanding more of what you say every time. Great channel and a fantastic laugh every video :)
That is a hell of a nice set up!
9:23 gotta love the sound of relays
When I did electronics at school one of my fun tricks was rigging relays up to a sine wave generator - or even a walkman and amplifier. At first people would wonder why I had built something to produce such low quality sound.... until I invited them to point out where the loudspeaker was in the circuit and getting confused looks and people asking 'what the f**k?'
@@Debbiebabe69 LOL I bet that sounded hilarious!
Any chance I could get the schematic for this setup in order to make one myself?
I was thinking the exact same thing! Although I was a prototype engineer in electronics many years ago things have changed so much since that I would be lost nowadays. I could certainly follow a blueprint though.
DarkMantisSr
To a lesser extent, so was I.
I did computer engineering in the 90s - I can follow a schematic as well, but I'm no electrician, let alone a reverse engineer.
It's very easy.
A bare-bone system is a DPDT relay whose coil (230V AC) is connected to the mains, the normally closed terminal goes to the mains, the normally open one to the inverter. The common goes to your load. When the mains fail, the relay will open connecting the inverter. When the mains is working again, the relay closes disconnecting the inverter and reconnecting the grid.
Then you can add more features.
You can add a timer that turns on another relay connected to a charger so it only charges when it's cheap time.
You can add a delay so you avoid burning the inverter when the relay switches
You can add contactors in parallel to the relay in order to increase the power that the system can handle
His version is just the bare-bone plus some extras like circuit breakers and protection circuits, the timer, the delay, the contactors and some indicator lights. It's just very simple electromechanics. You can even get away without using a single electronic part (if you use an electromechanical timer and delay)
To be legal you'd need a qualified electrician to install this. Cost around 6000 for this or 5400 for a Tesla Powerwall which includes a warranty and more storage.
This isn't marketed towards regular people. It's "marketed" for people that actually understand it just by seeing what is shown in the video, probably because they are already at least qualified electricians (or electrical engineers etc.) So you would only pay the price of the materials.
And you also need a qualified electrician for installation of a Powerwall.
This is excellent! We had a powercut here in 2002 when the snow was freezing around the electric powerlines. They got some hundrets of kilogrammes of ice between two pylons, so the pylons collapsed. Having no electricity is terrible nowadays. Nice to see this perfect and constructive work - but KEEP UP THE FLAMES!
I was doing these burnup-electro destructions at an early age!
I love this guy.
Any chance of PDF of the circuit for this installation? I'd like to copy.
+ApexMike I could make you one if you want ^^
manaquri Thanks, but I was just interested to know the exact setup that Andy has.
ApexMike ok, no problem ^^
If you have a diagram laying around, I wouldn't mind studying it. Thanks
I would like a copy too if you have a spare one. Please just email me.
Still using Windows XP in 2012????
Random Videos - Cr1TiKaL Full Streams im still using it now, you cant download an apps anymorr
xp is brilliant
ive got it in a virtual machine for web surfing
We still use xp in our parts store lol!
I'm still using Windows XP in 2018
Fantastic stuff , thank
Wow I'm impressed what a great video thanks for sharing.
Looking really good!
But why not convert your home to LED, you can even get better battery life!
mate this is 2012
I think at the time he was using the most efficient light ever to maximize consuption
LED is not all it's cracked up to be - at least not the 'modern' fixed ones. My mother moved into a recently renovated retirement unit where they'd put in all LED stuff. A light went out after 3 months so I climbed up there with the ladder to replace whatever bulb was in it - only it's not a bulb is it, all hard wired into the ceiling...and dead after 3 months use. Cue the expensive house call from the electrician who then had to order the part and come back a second time to change it out. Where the fuck is my promised 20 years service life? Oh that's right they're stuffed full of driver circuits that can fail at any time now because of course they're all made in China to their usual brilliant quality standards. And you're absolutely stuck with whatever wattage / lumens the fixture puts out - if you want a bit more light in one corner you can't simply change to a higher wattage bulb. Sheer idiocy permanently affixing these things. I don't mind LED screw-in bulbs so much, I use them where I live now. But once again the claimed lifetime of these things is outright lies. When I moved into my current flat 4 years ago it was all LED screw-in bulbs already here but they virtually all had to be replaced within the first year, all except the ones in the spare room that isn't really used. Maybe the LED chips might last, but the driver circuits are all shit. Fuck LED.
LED light is unhealthy
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chocolate squiggle if you buy quality bulbs, you dont have that problem. Ive only had one defective screw in bulb, and I was an early adopter.
I don't even use the grid.
hydro electric power. with 2 inch peton wheel and 3 motor inverters!
with 4 industrial batteries and a logic controller. My neighbor is a qualified electioneer. he helped me on this and he uses a similar system.
NeXTSTORMING whats wrong with the comment?! >:?
Stream/river at the bottom of your property?
TTKMKaizen
Yes. Its a pretty big one in spring and that's when I put most of the excess power into charging batteries for the winter ahead.
joe m Good idea, be careful though.
I read a story of a guy here in England who did the same thing, when the water authorities found out, they tried to bill him for using their water.
What next? Air tax for windmills?
TTKMKaizen Dude. I know that it is in my property. Some water company asked if they could set up a little lower down from where I am. I said yes anyway And when I brought my current property, It even stated on the sale document that the river is on my land.
I think that they tax too much. Can't they just tax the companies like Google (who don't pay taxes)?
I'm just blown away at the work you did here. I could totally see myself doing something like this, provided I had to pay for my own electricity, but I don't.
I wasn't sure what you meant by the (Econo Lighting) Then I realized, here in the states, we refer to it as fluorescent lighting. I have to agree, and say that EVERYONE should be using such lighting in as many places as they can. It sad to know that most people in the US, are STILL using incandescent bulbs at this time, while some countries have banned the sales / purchase, and use of them since 2007. It's mind blowing to think that CUBA banned them back in 2005. Wow, CUBA, ahead of the US in a green matter.
Not that it's an alternative, but I took it one step further. LED's I don't think, could replace the brightness of Fluorescent Lighting, but I even installed strips in our pantry, where conventional lighting would not help, nor would it be allowed. One bulb way up above the pantry would not light up the divided sections of food, where a small strip of LED's allowed us to see each section at ease.
The only thing I'm unsure of in your set up, as far as cost wise here in the US, is the nice blocks you have for the switch, panel, breakers, timer, and such, would surely be expensive here. I could easily see just those parts costing us well over $2,500.
Good job man, but since I know your background based on prior videos, it doesn't shock me.
very nice and quite elegant.
Flipping hell Do you work in a nuclear power station ?
You play with electricity like its a joke .
But always With knowledge not out of stupidity .
Your videos are brilliant Right up my Street , I only wish I could understand what a watt is compared to an volt , Is an electricity watt different to a speaker watt? Or what,
Like an Amplifier that's rated about 90watts
Has 225 watts on the back of it for eg.
+Mark C all the same. no other measurement apart from the Watt. Power is measured in Watts and a Watt is the Voltage (Volts) "times" the Current (Amps)
A watt is a unit which can be used for any system which dissipates/absorbs energy. It's broken down as joules per second (J/s). So the speaker which says 225 watts on it is indicating that it is comfortable with dissipating 225 watts of electrical power provided by the amplifier as acoustic energy.
The amount of watts dissipated by the speaker is equal to the voltage across the terminals of the voice coil multiplied by the current flowing through it. As in P = IV (P is power(watts), I is current(Amps) and V is voltage).
I do believe that the 225 watt figure on the back of the speaker is an average of sorts, in reality there will be transient events which could cause the speaker to operate way above its rated range, but they don't damage the speaker if they're not too high because they last for a very short time. 90 watts on the back of the amplifier indicates that 90 watts is the maximum amount of energy that the amplifier can supply the speaker.
+motown shogunate
Tooo much ,
All I do know is a 400watt rms speaker played off a 90watt per channel rms amplifier distorts very easily but when same 400watt rms speaker played from a power amplifier rated with say 600watts rms the Amp not running at full capacity is maxing out the speaker ,
But then with cheap speakers they might go loud tone flat , but heavy bass they blow them selves to bits .
In the case of your 400W speaker and 90W per channel amp, it's actually the amplifier output that's distorting, not the speaker which has far greater power handling capacity than the amp.
The output voltage of any analogue amplifier is limited by its power supply rails (typically around 70 to 80 volts DC on the positve and negative rails depending on the design).
When you max out the volume to try and drive more acoustic power (sound energy) out of the speaker, the peaks of the audio signal run into the amp's power supply rail limits and get "clipped" flat, which is why this kind of distortion is known as "clipping".
This results in the amp's maximum positive/negative DC voltage output applied across the speaker's voice coil which causes it to heat up very quickly, creates horrible nasty distortion and burns out the speaker very fast. The type of distortion caused by over-driving a smaller speaker with a bigger amp is more gentle and will take much longer to destroy the speaker as the voice coil gradually heats up to the limit of its power handling capacity. Many speakers have protective devices built in to prevent this kind of damage, but they can't protect against clipping.
So it's a bit counter-intuitive, but it's actually much easier to blow up a big speaker with a small amp, than blowing up a small speaker with a big amp!
By the way, google "Ohm's Law" to get a greater understanding of the relationship between power (Watts), voltage (Volts), and current (Amps). It is the most basic fundamental law of electromagnetism, pretty much the first thing that every electrician or electronics technician/engineer learns. Good place to start if you want to know more.
BADASS SETUP! CHEERS FROM CALIFORNIA! WOULD LOVE TO COPY THIS WHEN I GET OUT OF MY APARTMENT AND BUY MY FIRST HOUSE!
GREEtINGS FROM GERMANY; I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, TOO!
copy? like you copied that AvE icon? that kind of copy?
Cool your jets Bill, you best be looking after your sexual assault allegations. Nobody copied anything from AvE. AvE got the icon from Adafruit: blog.adafruit.com/2011/10/19/the-magic-blue-smoke-monster/ as it existed before AvE even made his TH-cam channel which was on Feb 24, 2012.
I personally love this. I myself would like a backup/main supply like this. Living in America, I don't think we have high and low rates but a power backup/supply is still very handy for power cuts and what not. I would love to have a wiring diagram to pour over and study, and maybe a parts list. what ever have you I thank you for the video. great encouragement for me to get started on my own setup.
Some power companies in the states do have different rates depending on the time of day if you have a smart meter. The power co. I use in Maryland for example do this.
Lots of envy here.Great job.
someone calculate the electric bill, i don't understand that meter
He knows how to hack electric meter and lower the bills
+Bishwash Poudel He hasn't hacked the meter, he's just storing the cheaper nighttime electricity.
+Tom L HAHAHA probably as many amps as he got out of the thing. amps=$
The meter is simply two meters on a timer. The lower meter counts during the day, the upper meter counts at night. When billing time comes around, they charge a different rate for each.
Pentium 4 in 2012 ?
He's an expert: he has what he needs.
***** Sheesh. Why don't you ask him if you're so obsessed with his PC hardware. Alternatively, get a life.
***** OK friend. I take your point. My apologies.
*****
tell me more about those days in 2005.
artifactingreality
its not 2005 youtube found in later 2006
Perfect as always :)
Keep up the good work !
You are a legend! Awesome stuff, keep up the good work!
fart at 1:27
thinking about it you could grow weed like this and not get caught out by mr eletric ?
In the bad old days of Metal Halide lamps it wouldn't have helped, they draw too much power for this system.
These days, with LED lamps, you can run a small grow room off your mains supply and nobody would be the wiser, it would be equivalent to running a small electric heater.
Or you could run a BIG operation off this kind of system, balancing the load between the batteries and the mains, and cycling banks of lamps on/off for charging.
Er, at least, that's what a friend told me....
Yep that's pretty much right..
Falls in-line with what the experienced officers been saying...
Smart operators would also be supplementing their charge circuit with PV panels or wind/hydro systems, depending on location.
UV Tubes mate. ;) I built my own & use a 20w tube! DONE!
LOL no clue springs to mind
love ya work bro!!!
That is a slick, clean, and impressive rig you've got there. It's very cool to see Photon building something instead of blowing it up,
I'm pretty sure in america that will not only get you sued by the electric company or arrested for theft due to manipulation of the power box.
in uk your allowed to do pretty much what you want with your power
Damn dude
tesla powerwall etc.
+John QPublic Classic Baptist democrat.
+Adam Thomas you do realize that is his own panel right?
'thoroughly enjoy your vids. You provide great, down-to-earth explanations for daunting and complicated ideas/concepts/theories. Thanks very very much for all you do providing videos my friend.
Nice work...going to look into this more :)
Spot on - I also have a system like this in my house. Installed by me. Since I live in the house, I have put far more care into the construction of the system than I would ever expect from an outside sourced electrician. For example I have fitting ALL heavy duty cable terminals with a ferrule or eye terminal brazed' with solder AND crimped.
I am on batteries at this very moment and I've been off of mains for 16 years.
I just charge the batteries for three hours each day off a Diesel Generator.
"This is typical British weather: no wind and no sun."
God, I'm glad I live in Kansas 🌻
Thanks for your videos.Keep up this unique form of science.
Good man. I'm seeing the methods behind the madness. Nice watch.
brilliant way to save a bit of cash ! and a very tidy install great job ! cheers
one of the best switchboard videos on youtube good job m8
My profession is mainly in computing (hardware and software) but I do have a good understanding of main electronic, not to your immense level. The point is, from what you have shown, its incredibly well put together, tidy as fuck. I have had qualified technicians do work in this house and some of the time I have had to clean up after their slap dash efforts. So massive kudos to you sir, very nice work.
You Sir are awesome !!!!!!!!
Really nice man!!!!!!