That Time We Interviewed Milo Yiannopoulos
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- --Classic Interview: Milo Yiannopoulos, then an Associate Editor at Breitbart, joins David to talk about the Gamergate controversy and a scuff with video game developer Brianna Wu
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Broadcast on November 3, 2017
Milo looks like he could be Jordan Peterson's son.
LOL According to Wikipedia Peterson went to Europe in 1982.
Conspiracy!!!!!!
Costume CO he calls Trump his Daddy. All 3 are misogynistic con artists in my opinion.
Milo would be far more responsible with his message if he was.
Solange Boudreau - misogynistic con artists is a very accurate description.
David is a phenomenal interviewer.
+auggiedoggy He is not typical he is admittedly Jewish and a beneficiary of affermative action and probably other special privileges....
I'd love to see Milo's expert opinion on treating bipolar disorder.
He was really fair
Fact check: false
"A marginalized community, the gaming community"
OMG lol
I LOL'd at that
Gamers rise up!
Lol. I Wanted to say how unflattering the picture of him was you took for the thumbnail BUT THIS IS HOW HE DECIDED TO SHOW UP
"I really like this guy, nothing wrong with him" - Sargon of Akkad
" Milo left Brietbart because of the SJWs' - *Sargon Of AClique*
"Milo should have saluted like the rest of the crowd when he sang God Bless America."
- Sargon of Akkad
Slythe01 one of the only times he was right
HA!!
TheD2JBug Sounds like they did Brietbart a favor, then!
Judging from Milo's hair, David must have interrupted Milo's olive oil bath.
I hate that gamer gate has been such an important thing in the history of politics on TH-cam. It practically switched the "skeptic" community from arguing against religion to trashing feminists. It started another slide to the right on the internet, and it all started from fucking gamer gate.
SaiyanZ Entertainment
You must be joking.
What a garbled mess of nonsensical MRA regurgitation. Thank you for that. Now do a thirty second google fact check and replace all of those fake statistics with the actual social science backing the need for feminism in society and be less of an awful douche in the future.
Tigerpuffer I bet you think the wage gap is legit.
foreverwantingpie sadly for good reason. It’s just something that rallies “right-wing” politics.
jshowa o Men need the ability to have a "financial abortion" freeing them from responsibility of their unwanted children.
Milo Yeahnothanks
This guy said on Joe rogan that he wishes he was never gay lol Such a sad and pefetic man
"pathetic"
Gary people dont want to be gay but they dont have a choice. Every gay person would tell you life would be a lot easier of they were straight
SOOOOL He just understands that it’s a psychiatric disorder
For me, Milo's main problem is that he's just so utterly boring (though his fans seem to find him edgy). Sam Harris had it right when he described him as "trolling all of humanity" - it's all a performance, and it gets old quickly.
If you read transcripts of what he says, rather than just listening to him, it becomes clear how much of a lightweight he is. Take out everything he says for shock-value and what's left? He's not particularly good at debating, regardless of what his disciples believe. Was it a surprise to anyone when he chose to support fellow empty vessel Donald Trump so enthusiastically?
The only positive thing I can say is that this interview is better than most of his more recent performances.
Good observation of Milo, Tommy! Take away the appearance (hair and clothes), the "as a gay man" proclamation, the British public school' accent (I'm not convinced it's not contrived...), and the "salty, fruity" expressions; paring away audio and visual 'props', to just reading transcripts of Milo's interviews, DOES expose him as an intellectual lightweight, attempting to deliver a monotone message that relies heavily on shock value and cheap sensationalism. He's actually a Johnny 'one note', not very original, and his routine gets old and boring very quickly.
Tommy Jackman ya that's pretty much the exact summary I'd give for Milo too. Very well said
No he’s no where near as intelligent or comedic as a Sacha baron Cohen or even a Eric Andre.
How is Milo not aware that he'd be the first to go to the camps if those he represents gained absolute power.
Oh, I see the problem...you're 15 and attempting to have insight. It's a condition that cures itself.
phineas phallitosis Do you think he wouldn’t go to the camps?? Wtf lol
Pretty sure he doesn't want people to go to camps. I think he likes black d***.
well the guy he supported got into power and he didn't end up in a camp, interesting
Did Milo refer to himself as a responsible reporter?
Chutzpah.
Milo is and always has been a partisan provocateur satirist. And like Fox news, he styles himself as fair and balanced which is a parody of itself.
Milo says stuff to piss people off purposefully. His supposed point is to counter the SJW movement that he sees as stifling freedom of speech. But that isn't happening like he thinks it is. Its just that people in general don't want to hear the hateful shit he and his ilk spout. He's trying to make it acceptable for people to say shitty things to one another. And legally it is, but most decent people realize its still not okay to do so.
i wish i could get paid decent money to be a professional troll. at the end of the day it would fucking kill my soul though. and i need all the help i can get with that.
I've noticed a majority of the comments on the David Pakman videos I've seen so far have been endless ad hominem attacks. Was hoping viewers of this show would offer more thoughtful commentary, but oh well...
Milo literally built his entire brand around insulting "leftists" and calling people he disagrees with, ugly. Oh im sorry that people aren't willing to be charitable to him.
David deserves to be FAR bigger than he already is-the way he conducts his interviews are great, I really enjoy how rather than let Milo react to the reasonings for her not giving the interview he asks him to take it point by point. David is thorough and I think that's greatly lacking-too many interviewers and people who give commentary like Pakman does would rather appeal to emotion more than reason, David does things the other way round. It's always interesting to watch his vids but especially his interviews
Edit-I have to make this clear, John Hopkins resumed transition surgery in 2016 after 40yrs of not performing it. So Milo using Hopkins as a basis for not performing surgery even back when he did the interview and Hopkins hadn't resumed surgery is flawed because of how long ago the clinic stopped surgery. There is a few articles about John Hopkins and why they stopped and now resumed surgery-people should check them out of just to see how dishonest milo is
Teethgrinder 83 Definitely. Packman is thorough and use precise language. When he want to get his point accross, he actually goes in depth instead of assuming something to be true. This is particularily good concidering how the current government is lowering the morale every day.
mcNogard yes exactly-and the fact that he doesn’t assume something to be true helps in this age when “alternative facts” etc...are rampant. So many commenters from all political sides assumes the audience is with them no matter what and so don’t go into too much detail but David doesn’t seem to take his audience for granted and so gets to the meat of the issues. It’s refreshing. Unfortunately too many people would rather feel outraged rather than informed-fingers crossed things change
GamerGate was the genesis of the Alt Right. That's pretty damn pitiful.
It didn't help that the right in that instance took the obvious common sense position on it while the left essentially went completely off the rails. It just made an entire generation get the mistaken impression that the left are loonies while the right are the adults in the room.
It was not JUST gamergate. It was pretty much the rise/resurgence of mainstream feminist critique. People did not like the increased scrutiny towards popular culture (I guess you can argue 'white masculinity" ) ...Gamergate was just a part of that flood.
The alt-right cultivated this current of anger at feminism.. It is VERY telling that certain youtubers had a very easy transition from harping on feminism to discussing the 'merits' of race realism. It's also telling that it was fairly easy for their audiences to accept the racial stuff after feminism was a bit of a 'testing ground'
I am not saying that the 'SJW's have acted all in good faith, of course not. I am just saying that it is wrong to deny the backlash against feminism was extreme .
Alt right was around before GG.
They called themselves the Dark Enlightenment or NeoReaction or NRx. Some joined the Alt-Right not knowing who these previous groups were. In the last year many have tried to distance themselves from the Alt-Right once they released who they were associating themselves with.
The dark enlightenment is more dangerous than the Alt-Right. Alt-right say they value american/european western culture. NRx want to remove democracy because Americans won't vote for libertarian parties or policies. They want to build fiefdoms without laws and states where even white people would be slaves to a sole business.
Didn't gamergate begin because a male gaming critic had a fling with a female indy game developer? And some gamers were saying such a relationship made the review of the her game biased, but some on the left said that such allegations were sexist? Or am I missing something big here? Because that criticism gamers had seems legit to me.
You pretty much got it right BVargas. Then when game's journalists and developers realized their scam was under threat they threw up a smokescreen saying they were being harassed and COMPLETELY IGNORED THE CRITICISM OF CORRUPT JOURNALISM. Whether or not people were actually being harassed like they said is up for debate to begin with, but even if they were that doesn't excuse the corruption. They completely succeeded in getting coverage from mainstream news outlets to almost exclusively cover the harassment while saying as little as possible about the actual scandal. The majority of the people with power talking about the controversy cared nothing about games as an art form.
Saying the alt-right came out of gamergate is idiotic. The alt right is a reaction to the extreme left. You can't fucking pin right-wing political ideology on gamers who actually care about games you fucking assholes. You'd been having that squabble for years with the left becoming progressively more insulated and irrational and an equally fanatical reaction on the right was the obvious logical conclusion to that regardless of fucking gamers. And you know what. If some gamers did see how the left acted with the gamergate controversy then it's pretty understandable why they'd run to the right. Both sides are full of shitheads, but punching down on gamers because you think they're soft targets and useful for furthering your political ideology isn't going to win you any fucking friends with them. The politics should have been left out of gamergate and people who love video games would've been able to make headway towards fixing something that has been KNOWN to be a problem within the gaming community for over a decade.
Large game developers pay for better reviews > More people buy these games based on these reviews > The developer innovates as little as possible with the games because they don't have to
If you don't think this was a legit storm brewing that had nothing to do with misogyny at a fundamental level then look up the Kane and Lynch Gamespot controversy. This had nothing to do with whether the perpetrators had sexual organs on the inside of their body. How idiotic that people are still telling themselves this.
Milo is the kind of guy that thinks he’s really smart, and tricks people into thinking he really is. The accent helps sell it as well
Awww...they look so young and cute
This guy is so shallow.
Karl Money Your dad is so shallow
He didn't last long, did he? HA HA HA
First, off John Hopkins did not pioneer gender affirmation care, which is what medicine calls the type of treatment that is done for a person who is born transgender. Medically transitioning started, and was being pioneered all the way back in the mid-1920's. The Danish Girl, Lili Elbe's story shows just how far back medical transition, and gender affirming care goes. When John Hopkins shut down Dr.Stanley Biber in Trinidad, Colorado took over, and he is the doctor who really pioneered modern SRS for male to females. He's the doctor who created the kind of SRS results in male to females that modern medicine is accustomed to. What's really interesting is that when he went to do his first SRS procedure on a male to female he asked for all the surgical records that John Hopkins had on how to go about this procedure. He found that they weren't actually even doing SRS. They were doing castrations, or penile amputations, which is not SRS in the sense that we think of it today, nor is it the kind of SRS that was being practiced by Dr.Georges Burou, and other surgeons like the ones in Denmark who did Christine Jorgensen's SRS in 1950. So If you don't know her she became famous because she was outed in 1950 with the headline male G.I. becomes blonde bombshell upon her return to the US. Secondly, the type of therapy Milo is describing sounds an awful lot like conversion
eparative therapy, which is something that has failed to "cure" any transgender, gay, or bisexual person.
Worse instead of helping it does much more harm, than if the person had just not sought out any kind of treatment. Regardless there was a time all around the world where until the 1960's -70's the only way that a transgender person could find there way to gender affirming care would be through many different contacts because for a long time SRS was done in Casablanca believe it or not by D r.Georges Burou , and other far away places like Denmark, Germany, or the UK. If you were a transgender person who was not tightly into the LGBT underground at that time, then it would have been sheer luck for that person to find any real, or good information on transsexualism as it was called at the time, and it was even harder to find doctors, and mental health providers who would treat a transgender person with gender affirming care as opposed. In the US starting around 1950 Dr.Harry Benjamin began to look at, study, and help transgender people with gender affirming care, but he was pretty much it aside from Dr.John Money.
Most would be very unlucky, and either be forced against their will into treatments for this "mental illness" that they don't have, and others would volunteer for it because they either truly believed they were mentally ill, or they didn't know about gender affirming care, or they felt going through with gender affirming care would ruin their lives (better to have a miserable life, and be unhappy, than to risk being shunned, rejected, and ostracized by society, and their family, and friends if they were to go through with gender affirming care), or they just wanted to be "normal" like everyone else. This ended just as badly for transgender people as it did for gays because both were essentially treated the same way by the larger mental healthy community as a whole at that time. Being gay only stopped being classified as a mental illness in 1978, and I believe it wasn't fully removed from the mental health literature until the 1980's.
The same fight, and arguments then to have being gay removed as a mental illness are at the heart of the argument why being transgender is not a mental illness, or disorder. That is outside of how society treats gay people they are otherwise completely mentally healthy, and sane. Any distress that a gay person feels about it is because it's being pathologized, and when society is constantly telling you how horrible you are, and how crazy you are, and that you are a degenerate pervert combined with losing family, friends, jobs, housing, and the physical and sexual violence will cause a person distress. The argument that they had, and I believe rightly so is that it's only a mental illness\disorder if being gay, or if being transgender causes the person distress. Distress would be things like experiencing depression, anxiety, and suicide ideation. Since that was not the case for gay people it was determined that no it's not a mental illness\disorder. There is nothing to treat other than the distress that being gay causes on a person living in a society that isn't tolerant, accepting, and or understanding of it.
This is also true for transgender people, and is why in 2013 the diagnosis of gender identity disorder\GID was removed from the DSM-5. It was replaced with gender dysphoria because a transgender person can feel distress around being transgender. However, for most transgender people gender dysphoria goes away over time with gender affirming care, and if it doesn't it gets much better, and is manageable. If a transgender person is not suffering from distress, or not suffering from it anymore, then there is nothing there for mental health providers to help with anymore other than distress related to society, and how it treats transgender people. Studies have found that transgender people who have a strong support network of family, and friends have depression, anxiety, and suicide ideation rates that are similar to the general population.
And this is why I said it's essentially the same argument as to the reason why being gay was was removed from all the mental health literature as a mental illness. Because we can see that when transgender people are in an environment where they aren't being negatively crushed by society we see that they have similar rates of depression, anxiety, and suicide ideation as the general population. However, in reality the statistics for transgender people in the US especially trans women of color I think do an excellent job of showing why we see such high numbers of depression, anxiety, and suicide ideation in transgender people. It's important to note that the depression, anxiety, and suicide ideation rates for gay people in the US are also higher than the general populations. Nothing like transgender people, but also still higher than heterosexual people. In the US homophobia still very much exists, and with some very negative consequences for gay people. However, no one today would suggest that this is proof that it's a mental illness, or disorder.
So sorry for the long post I just get so frustrated with these right wing talking points, and the right wing has done a great job of pumping out tons of misinformation.
Thirdly, there is 1 reason, and only 1 reason why John Hopkins shut down their gender clinic in 1979 that Dr.John Money had started around 1965ish. Dr.Paul Mchugh is the 1 reason, and the sole force behind shutting down the gender clinic. He had been on record many times prior to him becoming head of psychiatry that the very first thing he was going to do was prioritize shutting down the abonamitions that were taking place in the gender clinic. He was ardently anti-LGBT, and very public in his opinions, beliefs, and views on all of it, and they were based not in science, but in religion specifically Catholicism. Dr.Paul Mchugh is a die hard Catholic who has been furious about the new Pope's personal feelings about LGBT people, and God today. So should come as a surprise to anyone that he shut down the gender clinic for religous reasons
atural law reasons rather than it being based on science, and data.
Finally, he became head of psychiatry for John Hopkins around 1976ish, and within 2 years had found a study that he oversaw that confirmed to him that gender affirming care especially medical gender affirming care does not help, in fact, it may make things worse. This study wasn't even out 1 year before it was lambasted by the scientific community for it's methodology, flaws, and shoddy work as a result it wasn't ever peer reviewed. In fact, it was ridiculed as bad science a year after being published by the scientific community at the time. Which is why it's so frustrating when right wingers talk about this study from John Hopkins as evidence for their views. However, at that point it was too late. He had achieved what he wanted with the "study" by convincing everyone that this study proved what he had been saying, and they shut the gender clinic down. Now John Hopkins has distanced themselves greatly from Dr.Paul Mchugh, and that ugly part of their past. They have publicly said that Dr.Paul Mchugh's views, and what he writes does not represent them, or what their views on gender affirmation care. This Milo is the actual history, and facts surrounding transgenderism as a mental illness, and this absurd, and factually incorrect idea that John Hopkins pioneered SRS, and gender affirming care.
Milo is generally a disgusting person and a lot of his public statements are repulsive. That said, most of the points he made in this interview are rational and I tended to agree with him here. He's definitely a smart and engaging speaker so its a shame he uses his gifts in such a despicable way.
Milo didn't become so absurd and obnoxious until late 2015.
It's just a different point in his career of promoting fascism and pedophilia. Don't be fooled, he was the same then as he is now he just had a different act.
Johnny Fishfingers Your post has better writing than anything from Milo.
well been nice didnt work out so well for the people on he so called right did it now kind of funny really milo trid been nice at first and got no where
but once he started acting crazy he got big/ ok a lot bigger
also you can thank th SJW crazy's made him even bigger
I found many of his rather more tame and logical points were undermined by obvious bias like his insistence that the death threats are not real because the only evidence was the women’s claims but believes the camerawoman’s story that she was stabbed based only on her word.
Wow, Milo looked like a mental patient who just got his meds on that videochat.
lol. gamergate was so funny. "an effort to regain some quality, standards, in game journalism"... like that ever existed. The company I used to work with would give journalists so much free stuff for favourable reviews. Its how the industry works. Gamergate people have the naivety of children. Everyone rubs everyones back for favours... not just games journalism. That's capitalism.
As a gamer and a budding game developer, I am utterly disgusted by Gamer gate. I hate that the gaming culture I love is so misogynistic. My female gaming friends have shown me what they have to endure on a daily basis, just because their avatar or gaming ID looks or sounds female. My mission as a game developer (and a general software developer, as well) is to include as many people as possible. If Gamer gate started with an ounce of important discussion material, it was lost long ago in the flood of misogyny and racism.
About transsexuals: Milo is homosexual. He is treading _very_ dangerous ground, since homosexuality was considered a mental disorder too, not long ago. I wonder if he thinks that he suffers from mental illness and should get treatment for it.
Johan Nilsson Godspeed friend.
Johan Nilsson filth like Anita Sarkesian is why gamer gate happened
I'm a girl... I was extremely confused when gamergate happened. When I was a kid, my indian parents banned me from not just owning a video game but also playing it on others computers / consoles. I didn't even have a Gameboy. My parents wanted me to use computers just for studies. When I grew up, now that I make a bit of money, I don't have the time and money for it. Moreover, the amount of pandering towards male teenagers is extreme and pushes me away. Yes, I used to play mobile games like candy crush and temple run, but those were only games that were not so explicitly dismissive of women. The day I stood up on my own legs, I promised myself that when I have a kid, the kid will not be treated as unreasonably as I was. But I don't think if this culture continues my future daughter would want tu o play video games. I am a very non feminine woman. Most of the entertainment I consume is what a guy would like. And if I can't like / get with the games men play, I don't know which woman will. And I don't know why having a bit of equality would hurt them so much. I understand Anita took a giant shit on the whole thing, but it was all unnecessary.
Trajan Anita Sarkesian did nothing wrong. Gamer Gate happened because there are a lot of people in the gaming community who can not deal with fundamental critique.
Florian Anita Sarkisian is a proven liar, who doesn’t know what she’s talking about
Who the Hell is Milo?
He was the publisher of the news organisation breibart. They are anti-global warming, pro trump anti imigration, anti Clinton and support other conservative policies. He is a favorite among conservatives on youtube for "destroying feminists/sjw" and being for free speech on college.
I like Milo but he sucks as a journalist. He makes way too many sweeping generalizations and refuses to take up stories with a neutral, objective, view.
body dysmorphia is completely different than being trans
i dont have body dysmorphia but i am trans i have what you said david the mental gender dysphoria without the body dysmorphia
so i am lucky like jacob (he was on TYT or at least think tank a few times) he is nonbinary and doesnt have the body dysmorphia so he could pass himself off as a crossdresser if he had to
that is how things are with me i am female so its harder for me to explain that to peoples because a female wearing male clothes isnt seen as weird/queer like a male wearing desses
but i never felt 100% female and still dont but i like female but i wont allow anybody to call me a girl and i am okay with lady because of my brother when he was 4-6 years old he had a faze where he called everybody a lady and it became a running gag so i see that as a unisex word
i prefer dude or bro when i am with my friends i get called bro a lot dude mostly and sometimes one of the other male words and if somebody says guy or guys to me i like it
getting thought of as a male in the comment section makes me super happy
*as we found out after this interview if you feel like you should have been born without one of the limbs you cut them off actually you dont give them drugs and try to bring them into this reality milo so calls speaks about* to bad you didnt ask your dad about that stuff before the interview
Milo is all negativity combined into one person.
Never mind the bollocks go vEgAn!!!!!!??????
Milo needs to get a boy's name.
What is gamergate even? 😕😕
At this point the BoogieMan for crazy liberals.
Chaos Theory Tysm the level of dramz is real, I love sipping some tea but this has to be rationed 😂😂😂
a lovers tiff blown up out of all proportion and weaponised against the youtube skeptic community.
Myopic Morgie A female game developer made a shitty game and got positive reviews from game journalists that she slept with. Then gamers asked for integrity in games journalism and feminists and the MSM made it a gender thing.
dangerouslytalented The famous skeptic community, how far we've come from the days of Carneades? 😏
Johns Hopkins performs gender affirmation surgeries again.
You need to do more interviews. whether you're being interviewed or interviewing another person it's the content I find the most fulfilling that you produce
tory boy
It doesn't matter that the threats are "not credible". That's not how terrorism works
LOL , David do a show on MGTOW , LOL .
How would you even do that? There are so many different types at this point range from "intellectuals" to "are women human"?
I'm the dangerous trans menace 😆 but I'll be honest with you lol I never heard of gamer gate ( video game thing ? ) I don't know how to play vid games lol what the heck could it all mean? Lol
Watching the fall of Milo from cocky sunglasses-wearing bleached-blonde Bill Maher guest to depressed looking occasional Alex Jones bitter co-host has been such a pleasure. Grifters become drifters.
Before we knew he was an evil human being.
Quin Skew Hes not stupid fuck
Milo was just fired from the Daily Caller after his first day of working!! Wow, this guy is terrible at trying to maintain his job!!
Daily Caller is a cesspool of garbage established by a belligerent bow tie wearing trust fund brat.
Rueben Chacko yeah they did a background check you cant get hired anywhere making the absurd on the record remarks he did
My favorite being, “i was talking to the chinese (ye his source is “the chinese”) and they told me that global warming is all a hoax IT IS”
It was at this moment i started to seriously consider accusations of his cocaine addiction
Because milo thought a crowd would buy that “the chinese” for SOME REASON let him into SOME MEETING and for SOME REASON told him global warming is all a hoax they made up ITS TRUE YOU GUYS!!
I think he was forced to resign from breitbart not long after that
He’s so creepy.
That's subjective
JP M Your mom is creepy
Homophobe
A. M. The last thing I am is a homophobe, kiddo. Try again.
I don't know why, but, even now, I expect to watch videos or interviews of Milo and hear something resembling intelligence. I'm disappointed, again. It's weird, I think it's a combination of him trying to talk like he's Christopher Hitchens and him having an insane fan base of ardent followers that see him as some kind of messiah... It continually tricks me in to thinking he has anything insightful or interesting to say. But he's really just a boring, vacuous, bloviating waste of time. Meh.
As much I don't like this guy, used to think he was a necessary evil, he was mostly correct on this issue
slashandbones13 Correct like justifying pedophilia?
Man. David is such a good interviewer. Wish he could do these kinds of interviews with bigger personalities and politicians.
Milo, you do not know anything about transgender people.
Remember when everybody called this an unfair hit piece?
Milo's entire job during gamer gate was to spread Republican and white supremacist ideas by packaging them differently.
not only that but Milo also hs history of mocking gamers LMAO th-cam.com/video/OyuC_l8dDLI/w-d-xo.html
PostHawk Some of us can hear dogwhistles. No doubt that even if you were provided examples you'd deny they were racist.
PostHawk
Are you aware of Milo's connection with white supremacist terrorist Josh Goldberg? And the Breitbart article Milo wrote claiming that BLM activist Shaun King isn't actually black? And the fact that he's consulted known neo Nazis for ideas on stories. Or the fact that he was singing karaoke to a group of neo Nazis saluting him.
Now's the part where you insist that none of this is remotely racist.
"Can you please cite the instances where Milo spread white supremacist ideas? "
Really? Google his ideas on Islam and the middle east. And the fact that he frolicks with Neonazis.
If he's not guilty of practicing these ideologies he's guilty of spreading their practice.
Royal Zak Stop equating people who punch racist trash to Nazis. Nazism is a specific ideology that promotes white supremecy. It doesn't just mean "bad person".
Good interview back before Milo went crazy from the fame.
I know it’s not the point, but I can’t believe how different Milo looks. Unrecognizable, really.
I love Pakman's interview style, very sharp. But, I think he cuts people off WAY too much. I'm not sure that level of rudeness is necessary if he's genuinely trying to give someone a fair chance at defending themselves. It just comes off like a 'gotcha' tactic.
David is very professional...
turns out, he *did* have ulterior motives. what a surprise.
Milo picks and chooses what he thinks is believable.
great interview. God david is a such a good interviewer
so here are his two issues: video game journalism and gender-psychology, he is neither a gamer nor a psychologist, but he has like opinions he needs to share
Yggy Squirrel And we need to take him seriously, unless he wasn't being serious, but he definitely was unless there's a chance he'll get into trouble, then we all need to lighten up... 🙄
I wanted to watch it, but I just can't. He's too slithery and unctuous and makes my skin crawl.
STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM. He isnt worth mentioning and any time his name comes up delays his descent into total obscurity.
Pakman's wallet disagrees.
Lok
Say what you want about Milo, he was right about Gamergate.
Gamergate had some legitimate aspects to it and other parts of it that were stupid. It was built on a lie , but that doesn 't mean everything that followed was a lie.
So, everyone studied the same 5 years of psychology as me, right? WRONG! Everyone just have OPINIONS and go to TV, Radio and Internet.... please people, consult experts, read more...
My God you're a good interviewer. You're my hero and some people say someone called Grumnut1 knows me.
Milo unfortunately has many people fooled.
Most of the points Milo made here, with the exception of the LGBT stuff towards the end were spot on. Milo has become a vile figure, spouting nonsense, but in regards to GamerGate, where his career was starting to take off, he nails it completely.
Yeah, but not really though. This whole period in the David Pakman show is dogshit, as is all of his alt-right fanboy acclaim from watching a "progressive" host (if we've gotten to the point where the suburban wine mom demographic exhibits progressive values, then I guess we could say Pakman qualifies as a progressive; he's really just a bourgeois liberal) representing their ill-founded, ill-reasoned culture war perspective.
I can NEVER Get over the way ppl ignore that milo whole life is .. fame by identity politics, I mean, most of his audience at his peak was built by him attacking identity politics 😂😂😂 I guess it’s part of this new trumpism .. failed business man? Just tell everyone you’re the best businessman....
I'm a liberal who hates Trump and can't stand 99.99999% of Republican policy the switch from GamerGate to "other things" is really kind of shitty. I can't stand Milo, but what does his view on Chelsie Manning have to do with Gamer Gate? It really seems like you're poisoning the well. 4Chan took GamerGate to evil places, but game reporters pimping games from room mates and friends really seems like an issue. And that's the issue at hand. When A company representative is telling you to buy "x" game without telling you that their roommate is making that game. There's an issue.
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Half the comments here are calling Milo shallow while the other half hypocritically comments about how his hair sucks. Nothing but slander, and not addressing any issues. At the least the interviewer does a good job.
"As a responsible reporter...."
This from the douche bag who wrote a feature on the alt-right for Breitbart which he had white supremacists and neo-nazis vet before it was published.
Oh David... No, just no.
Kim Williams As a fan of DP I'm glad to see that I wasn't the only one to see this ridiculous attempt to pass off "gotcha journalism" as reasoned reporting!
Milo from three years ago: hair is thinning, he's going bald. Milo today: thick, full head of hair. Conclusion: he's now wearing a wig or had a hair transplant.
Such b.s. Here's a picture from years ago and his hairline has actually become fuller. That's not the way nature works. i2.wp.com/www.theyorker.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2014-12-14-at-232933png.png?fit=676%2C426
Joe Terzio he definitely had a various cosmetic procedures, surgeries: liposuctions, new teeth. all paid by billionaire Robert Mercer. he even asked Robert's daughter to recommend him a good dentist!
Well, at least you're not trashing people who are not libertarian, claiming to be libertarian. You represent me with these idiots. When you should be confronting them with libertarian ideals vs. theirs.
Milo looks like a young gay version of Christopher Lambert
Shit, that's what Milo looks like in real life? God, I used to give the guy some credit for keeping up appearances.
its nearly impressive how much of a slimy weasel milo can be. i mean - compare the things he claimed to believe at the very beginning of the segment to the quotes you pulled from his writing. it's like two completely different people. and then when asked for explanation on those quotes he does his best to completely change what he meant to something different that might play better for the pakman audience. beyond that he spends a lot of time moving around and changing subjects and generally avoiding responding to anything that he knows will make him look bad. ultimately, however, it is a coward's rhetoric. amounting to little more than convincing those who already agree with him by dressing their opinions up in the guise of a "legitimate argument" even when there is no substance behind what he is saying.
John H. what exactly are the jokes? i get that milo probably finds his occasionally over-the-top delivery amusing, but he is still expressing (what seems to be) his sincerely held beliefs.
John H. what's the joke though? you said that its possible to seperate the "meat of his argument from the bones" (i assume the bones in this case are the comedy) and i claimed that there is not really much distinction between the two. i think his over the top rhetoric is an earnest, if exaggerated for effect, expression of his sincerely held beliefs.
I mean, not really. When pressed he sanitizes his absurd attention getting quotes by rephrasing them in more "politically correct" language, this much is true. And in doing so he often brings up a load of unrelated points / unsubstantiated claims / bizarre logical fallacies like a WW2 bomber dropping chaff to avoid triangulation. That's the issue with not saying what you mean in the first place - you can always try and walk it back later by claiming that it "wasn't what you actually meant" and never having to actually defend yourself.
Looking at a specific example of this from the video ( 4:15 ) : David reads a quote from one of Milo's gamergate articles that goes on at length about "sociopathic feminists" and "achingly politically correct bloggers" being "bullies" on the internet. David says that his reading of the quote sounded clearly one-sided and antifeminist. In response, Milo states that he believes that there is "nothing intrinsically wrong with being anti-feminist if you mean specifically by that, that you have no patience for the sort of shrieking misandrists that represent the modern feminist movement." At this point Milo should have been stopped to go back and explain himself a bit better. He makes the claim that it is okay to be anti-feminist. As an opinion, this is alright - but the argument he provides to support that claim (that it is okay to be anti-feminist) is logical nonsense. Milo says that he is "specifically" referring only to the "shrieking misandrists that represent the modern feminist movement." This is a bizarre strawman argument that allows him to not actually specify any particular feminist idea with which he might disagree. He just creates an imaginary opponent and says that it is perfectly acceptable to be opposed to them. This bit of rhetorical manipulation sounds convincing on the first listen. Of course nobody would like a "shrieking misandrist." But when thinking about it at any level of depth, Milo is not specifying an idea, individual, or group with which he holds a disagreement or explain what makes those things wrong. He just insults a non-specific idea of someone who he has made up.
It's extremely possible that there really is a particular person or idea that he is against here but he does not bring that up himself. Instead he moves on to talk about something entirely unrelated by stating that he is actually an "equality feminist" and that "all normal people" could call themselves "equality feminists." An equality feminist, in his mind, appears to be anybody who believes that men and women are equal. It's not explained how this idea is unique to the concept of Equality Feminism, nor does it prove that this is an opinion that Shrieking Misandry feminists (whoever they are) wouldn't agree with. He kinda tries to qualify the difference by saying that the Shrieking Misandry feminists are mostly interested in "man-hating." I assume that being "man-haters" is meant to imply that these unspecified Shrieking Misandrists would not agree with the idea of gender or sexual equality but this is not shown or proven in any real way. Milo also sprinkles in a little bit about being gay and supporting LGB equality which is entirely unrelated to anything David had brought up. Milo seems to just mention this to add some identity-politics flavored ethos to qualify himself and his opinion.
After this statement, David just sort of moves onto the next quote he had prepared to read to Milo. It would have been nice if David had really gotten to probe Milo about any of the issues that I have brought up just now but that's easier said in retrospect. Writing my response to Milo's 30 second answer took a solid 10-20 minutes and required a reasonably high level of attention and some time to seriously think about what he was saying. And if I tried to bring up any part of this criticism with him in a conversation he could easily respond by digging another little rabbit hole of a non-answer. This is why I called him a slimy little weasel. He avoids defending himself by throwing out a bunch of nonsense and rephrasing himself in a way that he thinks will sound less offensive. The argument he makes when he is "explaining himself properly" does not actually go deeper than the "over the top" "attention grabbing" or "comedic" rhetoric he was spouting in the first place.
also i still dont know what the joke is
I wish there were more like you out there...this sort of crap drives me mad. The right are adept at skewing perception by introducing terms that are accepted uncritically, yet have no nexus in reality and basing criticisms of target groups on false premises. The word collectivism for example, is a pejorative that intimates any attempts at people working together for the common good must devolve into Stalinist despotism....because that is human nature apparently, while the science of "small government' and the magical hand of the markets passes muster. I don't mean to be rude, but I am bewildered at how infantile and ignorant we have become....or were we always this stupid......using logic to change perception is a lost cause, people will believe anything at all, as long as its not the truth.
sometimes when i am bored i remember that time he called himself a "mischievous loki-esque figure" and chuckle a bit
Some people realy life in a buble ... and I just found a buble here ....
I don't think David should platform known serial liars and internet trolls.
I think gamer gate was little bit more effective than the Bully Hunter shit show.
I enjoy your Interviews. It seems that the persons being interviewed jump to the defensive at simple questions and that is very telling. Seems like they must defend their words, knowing the intent, while denying and trying to justify .They then, continue along the same lines and further questions make them stumble.
why do people give this person the attention he seeks definitely not gonna watch this nonsense :)
I only heard Milo on Bill Maher's show- he was so pathetic, nothing of substance to say. He just blurted out personal insults on people around him, even the insults were nothing clever. He was so hyped, turned out to be a flat out bore and cheap.
Then why did Bill Maher agree with him on so many points? You are not being honest when you say he said nothing of substance. Maher also compared him to Christopher Hitchens. Hardly substance-less.
The marginalized gaming community.
I love it when Milo makes haters say his name over and over again....no such thing as bad publicity.
No offense to 2014 Milo but he would be a hard pass on Grindr. 🤣
That time Milo was relevant
Meanwhile, Trump has trashed gamers.
/sigh.. the amount of times he hides behind the "as a reporter"
Milo looks so... normal here.
Edit: I lied.
I used to like the David Pakman Show.
David, please just let his career die its slow death.
Starring: Milo, as the "serious reporter"
Haha, without the dodgy highlights he looks a lot like Cathy Brennan!
It took him a whole 5 minutes to mention he was gay.
Milo is very good at selling twisted facts and lies with confidence, very little of what he says stands up to any scrutiny and in interviews where he's challenged on this he just talks over people with another layer of his syphilitic birdshit. He is The Guy At The Party That Thinks He's Right Because He Has The Loudest Voice. (This is from a thing I wrote in 2014)
Wow such a great comment. That's exactly how he is. He says outrageous thing with such confidence and fools people who are ignorant enough to be convinced by a good speaker.
Milo is not wrong in this interview. So many people here don’t understand that you can hate the guy but still admit here that is 100% on the correct side
joe cunningham Thank you! I've been reading these comments and I'm starting to think that DP's fans are the exact kind of blind followers that they claim Milo fans are!
Correct like justifying pedophilia?
K S separate topic. And I’ll on the topics, like most others, I think he’s a moron
There was once a black pot...
Did Milo get plastic surgery/facial reconstruction surgery between 2014 and 2016? Or maybe just better makeup?
itsacorporatething He got new teeth and lost weight, he also spray tans
He looks like death.
Uggg. I can't watch this. Makes me want to punch my monitor.
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