David Offends a Christian Homeschooler
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- -Classic interview: David offends Christian homeschooler Mike McHugh.
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He wants FACTS, FACTS. when did a religious zealot EVER USE FACTS.
This guy is beyond HYPOCRISY, HE IS DELUSIONAL.
All the 'facts' this bloke entertains are written down in Scripture, he insists.
Yep. That'll be right then!
Creationists only seem to value facts when the facts are missing, so they can assert that science doesn't have all the answers, therefore creationism is correct.
They ask for facts but when given them there only reply is "you're wrong because I have faith"
I want to go to a Creationists school. Every answer to every question would be; "God did it". Easy A+.
"Who convinced Eve to eat the forbidden fruit?"
"God did it"
*Teacher foams at the mouth*
Word!
I know right?! 😄
@@americanknight2070 Teacher: Wrong, the answer is George Soros.
Drew Hunt
lol
"I'm highly offended." The most useless phrase in the English language. It's just a way of taking control of a conversation that goes in a direction that you don't like.
It's a semi-dramatic form of 'copping out'. Sometimes it actually works ... in the right company, of course.
If people are offended then point out to them that you weren't offering up offence but they took offence.
*It's just a way of taking control of a conversation that goes in a direction that you don't like.*
I'm highly offended by this.
quincyme2010 yep! And people always fall for it too.
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I was indoctrinated with these ridiculous, delusional, religious beliefs. When I went to college and out into the real world, I suffered.
John Baptist
well at least, it seems, you were strong enough to face that fact. as opposed to retreating further into delusion, as a lot tend to do
Johnny Baptist So was I!!!
Johnny Baptist and Kathryn Mitchell: Hugs!! And Orthodox Judaism isn't *any* better; trust me!!
@@bobthebear1246 neither is fundamentalist mormonism!
This guy sounds like someone in a cult.
Wait a second...
This dude, Mike McHugh, is a nut.
Hahahahahaha!!!!
Diditallforthexp nj
LOL...i needed that
Christianity is a cult.
This guest is rude and emotionally troubled. Why do all the theist that come on this show ramble on and act so self-righteous? This theist screams entitlement and ignorance. I can prove most of his assertions incorrect. David Pakman did a good job however, of dealing with this guest's petulant tantrums. Just another example of how religion damages folks.
He is a nutjob. No question.
Hithchens was right...religion ruins everything!
And his home schooled children will be damaged too. What he's doing is a form of child abuse.
@Bobby Edenfield 'Stupidist Comment on This Page Award.' We have a winner! And I'm an atheist.
kiastar67 correct
He confuses theory with hypothesis...
Elevindollar
I doubt they teach the difference in homeschooling
J Snow My home school did.
Young earthers and apologetics of all kinds also seem to conflate inductive reasoning with belief. The essence of all Christian apologetics is lying by omition of crutial scientific data that destroys their worldview and the deployment of word games that masquerade as philosophy but are ultimately worse than useless. Abrahamic word games are malignant attempts to gaslight the opponent and drag them down into semantic debate where none is necessary.
Wrong title. It should say: David Offends a Child Abuser
hisvorpalsword True that
Amen....total child abuse!!!!!!
Jim Merrilees lol, I went to christian schools when I was growing up and now I follow the Church of Ceiling Cat!!!
LOVE IT!!
hisvorpalsword LMAO😂😂
You backed him into a corner and got ready to dismantle his arguments, therefore you offended him ;-)
Exactly. (responds 3 years later lol)
Uh oh, you offended his friend, Jesus Christ. I was a kid who went into college after being taught that the earth was only 6 thousand years old. It was humiliating.
FeelTheLack Aliens made the pyramids. 10,000 years ago
I'm so sorry.
Matt Baltozer
dude, dinosaurs built the pyramids. only a fool would think aliens built them.
"You offended my friend, Jesus. He is a very devout catholic. I call him my esse."
"dude, dinosaurs built the pyramids. only a fool would think aliens built them."
You have seen the wisdom of the flintstones, and mixed it with the scientific genius and historical accuracy of the history channel.
“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what?" - Stephen Fry
I am INSENSITIVE to that reply "I am offended".I go on the attack with "WHY?" They can defend it or they can't.If they can't they will end the discussion.God was not the topic in Public school.They dropped the Daily Prayer as my school had students of other faiths, so it was unsuitable because of mixed denominations.
Not the moon dust scenario! This caller is just tragic.
I was waiting for Kalam and Pascal's Wager to come up...
Scientists often are wrong and they accept that fact.
Scientists are almost always wrong and almost nothing in science is ever a fact. The smarter you are the more you realize how little you know
Emily Xiong
One day when you actually learn the very basics of science & the scientific method, you will realise that you are wrong.
A good scientist uses the scientific method anticipating and sometimes hoping to be made wrong. If he can't be made wrong, it's fact...
Read Dawkins' writings on this...this guy would never be willing, let alone comprehend, these kinds of books. Sad
This guy knows so very little....carbon dating?
I'm 18, fresh out of homeschool and just finding out what "evolutionists" really believe. I feel like the Christian homeschooling that I've received has been subpar and that I've had to make up the rest myself. Luckily I live in the age of the internet, so it's been possible. But I feel like I'm behind by a couple of years. (Not a great thing when aspiring to go to Princeton, I might add.)
+Sparta You homeschool career should have taught you to love God, His Christ, the Holy Scriptures and develop a hunger for learning without compromising God's Truths! Depending on what college you go to, you have many well-entrenched professors and it time their worldview will eventually spew out of their mouths. Paul wrote to Timothy "from a child you have known the Holy Scriptures that are able to make you wise through faith which is in Christ Jesus" (2nd Timothy 3:15). Start there laying a good foundation with the Word of God and the Holy Spirit will begin to select, rearrange and anoint the truths of God's Word out of your spiritual storehouse in order to help you navigate your young life. Spiritual growth and discipleship at a young age is far greater than any, any secular endeavor. Remember Jesus grew both in wisdom and stature and favor with God and man (Luke 2:41-52) and that is what God wants in your life! The Psalmist wrote "thy word have I hid in my heart that I will not sin against thee" (119:11). Lay a foundation in Christ Jesus and you will grow leaps and bounds and God's peace by the Holy Spirit will be with you!
+Sparta there are some parents that need to be applauded and who do an excellent job teaching their children. However, too many do not have much to offer besides religious dogma and that does hurts their children’s future. There is no denying that some public schools and kids attending them have real problems. But it is our duty as a society to work hard to improve that every day! Avoiding this and taking kids "home" is not the solution! A modern, competent, caring, and supportive educational system for every child is the best investment in our future that can be made!
Narciso Duran well your an English teacher. The subject he said he was behind in is science (evolution specifically), so your comment is irrelevant
+Will Thompson
"YouR ... career"
"and iN time"
congratz, only two spelling errors. not bad, considering what nonsense you babble about.
the "entrenched professors" have the world view that the actual truth matters more than "GoD's tRuTh". you know, the world has moved on in the last 1900-2500 years since your favorite fable book was written.
+Sparta good luck. i hope you were able to catch up in the two years since your post. "evolutionists" don't really hold a certain belief, as all the scientific theories creationists reject are pretty real and testable, and are similarily well established as the theory of sexual reproduction. obviously, many people take the information "on faith" instead of understanding it, but you can trust your science professors that they understand what they're talking about, and that their goal is to make you understand and encourage you to question leaps in their logic.
If my kids' school even mentions anything about religion that is outside the normal historical mentions of it & try to put religion into my kids' curriculum, I'll be pulling them out if that school ASAP. If I wanted them to be part of a religion, I'd teach them myself. But I chose not to. They will be allowed to research & chose their own beliefs. I went to both Catholic & public schools. I refuse to fuck my kids' psyche up like it did mine, growing up.
MrsRazor66 Cuthulu bless you.
The catholic education system is child abuse, and that's without the jokes about priests. It's responsible for creating more atheists than 10 Richard Dawkins or Penn Tellers.
You don't choose what you believe in.
That is exactly how I feel. Thank you for saying that because my psyche has been messed up my whole life and now that I’ve recently turned away from religion I see how messed up it really is. Fortunately I’m in a cognitive behavioral therapy program and it’s working wonders.
Chip Chiply of course you do. I choose not to believe that the easter bunny is real and I choose to believe that my wife and children love me. I choose to not believe in an omniscient sky-daddy, I choose to believe that science will eventually be able to describe pretty much everything we need it to. I choose to believe that there is life on other planets, I choose not to believe that that life has visited here for the sole purpose of collecting sausage fillings or to tease country-folk.
See?
the moon dust argument has been refuted for years
+dgentils Hell, even Answers in Genesis says not to use the moon dust argument because it's so faulty.
+Bfdidc yeah I heard that too, 3000 years and still no evidence sigh..... ridiculous lol
I live in Washington Stare and been to Mt St. Helen's. Both of what he claims are a lie.
+James Dillon
Just the moon to go, then. ;)
Holy shit! He actually used the moon dust argument!!
I can not compliment David enough on how well he interviews people.
I don't know why he's talking about a Nassau scientist, what does the Bahamas have to do with moon dust?
Or the band...
Nassau Chainsaw, they are astonishing
Gave me a big smile.
Or the Dutch royal family.
I wondered that myself Gringo!!!
TRUTH!!!!!!!! When did religion EVER bother about TRUTH?
The big question of the centuries...
Faith versus reality, which one will people choose ?
Any person of integrity must accept verifiable facts. Many believers do not. They slip and slide around the facts. This is tiring and pointless.
Such people will be intellectually left behind. It just takes too much energy and effort trying to drag them to the facts when they are "kicking and screaming" (and lying) all the way.
Faith is belief without validating evidence.
Fortunately, people are curious by nature and they do want to know what's really going on.
At a certain point, believers must accept that science has discredited their scriptures/beliefs. At that point, it is a simple matter of personal integrity: Acknowledge verifiable reality, or lie about it and live a fundamentally dishonest life. Was an easy decision for me.
+Cool hat Completely agree, the problem is that they continue to put forward arguments that have been discredited for 100 years as if these arguments are still valid.
So this person is convinced that the earth is 6- 7000-years old. So where does oil come from? Mars?
John Benton You bet it does. Building that pipeline through space was tough, but I liked the overtime pay.
John Benton It's a miracle from god.
Which is apparently a satisfying explanation for the pious.
I wonder when we will see the first technological inventions based on the discovery that "god dun it".
The stupidest, most dangerous comment Iv'e ever heard was 'God created the oil, and when it runs out God will create some more'. Loopy or what?
Oil is God's diarrhea. This should be common knowledge by now.
He is using the excuse of offence to make you back off of the nonsense that he is spewing. If these beliefs could be defended rationally there would be no reason to resort to emotion.
yes!!!
This was a good learning experience Dave you can't use soft facts or hearsay evidence when talking to someone with cognitive bias and a dogmatic agenda. In their minds lies exaggeration, and lack of comprehension makes sense.
reading the bible is the main reason that i'm an atheist. is your god even able to convince me that it exists?
Kevin Ouellet i don't know what you mean by "power exchange fallacy" i prefer the argument of divine hiddenness myself.
+dan b Me too. I was a student at a theological college, when I first thoroughly read the bible. What i read started me on the road to atheism.
Unfortunately, most Christians have never really read their bibles. I wish they would.
***** Fine. I just wonder why?
+dan b ive been a christian since i was 7 and ive thoroughly read the bible quite a bit. still am a christian and the thing is your not reading it with the right intentions. i almost always pray before reading and i intend to read to learn what god wants me to do, how he wants me to act and what the christian world view is. but im just presuming that you were studying it to try and find flaws in the stories, while not intending to learn from god.
+Pup Clubkid ive also grown up with atheist media so i know pretty much all the theories that aren't proven but are regarded as fact.
Good heavens, this man is ignorant. He doesn't know why the Moon dust was so thin.
sorry, that's not the point at all.
but he will believe that Noah built a boat with room enough for 1,000's of animals, millions of insects and millions of fish, but then of course the magic man helped and Noah was only a young man at 600 years of age. and after the water subsided his children had to partake in incest to start the population going again. oh ive heard that somewhere before must be Adam and eves inbred's must of been deep south america.
About the moon dust and all claims made by creationists. Go to talkorigins.org and see where they fail.
peter the best way to deal with them is to feel sorry for them and hope they get psychological help soon.
Alun, I hoop so, it is the hell thing that prevents them from thinking clearly. Go checkout the Stockholm syndrome.
So Mike McHuge is concerned that the United States is falling behind the rest of the world in education! Double facepalm and LMAO from that statement! Well, Mike, if you're going to insist on teaching creation science (the bible) instead of hard science, you're going to fall behind the rest of the world that is teaching science in science classes. That's not too hard to figure out even for a christian fundie.
***** Opinion =/= Fact. Scientific understanding of the world is based on empirical evidence, not belief.
Give me some empirical evidence of that and maybe I'll join you.
Oooh you're so creative and Christ-like!
***** Actually, that's a fact.
Ooh you're so angsty! Must not have outgrown it after adolescence
He starts by saying that we live in a ordered universe. Now he must live in a universe separate to the one I inhabit, since the one I inhabit is filled with chaos. How many failed galaxies, how many lifeless planets, how many dead stars. All so that I could live on this one planet. This one planet that is 4/5 water, so I can only live in 1/4. Of that 1/4 some of it is desert, some is ice, so in the end I can maybe live in half of that 1/4 of land mass. That half of 1/4 suffers from earthquakes, monsoons, draught, floods and disease.
Yes, a completely ordered system with no chaos at all. (sarcasm)
Luke Henderson That was good Luke.
+Luke Henderson .You're wrong because "God would never play dice with the universe"...Albert Einstein to Niels Bohr after numerous lengthy conversations on quantum mechanics.
+Berserk Luk No it wasn't. It was wrong.
Michael Marcus Yeah, and Einstein was proven to be wrong.
When I was a kid I believed in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and other make believe things. But like the Bible, they were make believe. The Bible to me isn't about the "truth", but it's using fictional stories to teach their readers a lesson, much like the fable "The Boy Who Cried Wolf". Also, just because something's tradition doesn't make it right. Some things change over time and should for the advancement of the human species.
Yeah, wonderful traditions like infanticide, slavery, women as property of their husbands, the divine right of kings, child labor, arranged marriages, and theocracies, to name a few...
I still believe in Santa Claus, and for the same reasons you cite regarding the bible.
Problem is, the bibles have too much nasty stuff and too many contradictions in them.
Mephistahpheles Don't tell that to the fundamentalists.
***** Strange fantasies you have there.
***** No thanks, I already read his nonsense long enough to know that he's a theologian dressed up as a philosopher.
"Nassau scientist"??? This guys arguments (Moon dust, St Helens, Noahs Ark etc) have been scientifically totally blown out of the water. Pathetic
I feel there's a circular issue here. Apologists don't teach their kids about science so they don't know how to argue scientifically and don't understand how to get their views and beliefs addressed scientifically. Of course actually doing that wouldn't be doing science at all...so...there's that.
Hang on - did you mean to say that - 'that wouldn't be doing science at all' ?
Hal Fisher really? How so?
Hal Fisher There is no evidence of the ark being real, and all relevant science (physics, biology etc) prove without a doubt that it could never have taken place.
Thomas Torrissen So what would happen if the ark was real ?
He was offended that you brought the word "sex" into his faith.
karl john Thems fighting words.
DeviantCare I'm surprised that they are usually ok with the word "virgin", in fact it is quite central to their beliefs (which I don't understand - hundreds of pregnant women each year claim to have never had sex), yet it is offensive to describe exactly what it means.
Technically, he didn’t say your question was offensive. He said your “characterization of Jesus” in the question was offensive
This guy home schools children? I'll keep my children FAR AWAY from this creep.
+Andrew Lohbihler homeschools his own kids not others
I taught school for 30 years. Most of the home school students I saw were very behind. Almost all were very strange socially. I would never home school!
What a cop out. He can not answer the question so he claims to be offended.
This theocrat is offensive to rational thought.
This presents a contrast in how to do research, and how to determine what is true. This interviewee reads his bible and looks for facts to support its claims, ignoring any that contradict. A scientist looks at the evidence and then tries to determine what it shows. The discussion needs to be how we determine what is true at a fundamental level.
To show how fundamentally dishonest this guy is, he makes anecdotal claims about home schooled children that he knows and then criticizes David for citing _professors_ who contradict his claims. Do we believe the homeschooling advocate, or do we believe the professors who have no reason to be biased?
He pulls out old, discredited YEC nonsense, and then says, "_scientists can be wrong_". The implication being, and this is what theists of all stripes do continually, I must be right. If anyone has a scrap of evidence for what McHugh is arguing, then why can't they convince the people who are experts in the relevant field? Experts aren't always right, but why would anyone take McHugh's opinion over _everyone_ in relevant fields. This clown just exists to cast doubt, which would be fine, but he doesn't have anything credible to put forth instead of what he's attacking.
When a mentalist does a cold reading he or she throws out a great many guesses knowing that when one hits, it is the only thing that will be remembered. The creationist here, does a very similar thing. He throws out a bunch of things to cast doubt on accepted science, just waiting to see what will stick. When David calls him on the moon landing, he backs down and concedes that point.
When David starts to take McHugh to task on methodology, McHugh becomes offended. _How dare you question my ridiculous beliefs._ _How dare you insult my imaginary friend!_ Of course David throws out nonsense comparisons. I hope he knows that most of what he said about Isis/Horus/whatever is pretty much made up.
David never says the guy belongs to goofy cult, but the guy says he doesn't. He does. The clown ends with another false dichotomy. Our schools are bad, so... homeschooling, when are schools are doing poorly because educators have to fight over what is real with jackasses like Michael McHugh. The other thing David should have done (it's easy to critique from the armchair) is to give an equivalent. How would McHugh feel if the koran were taught as fact? How does one determine the truth without empirical testing? The supernatural claims of the koran are as supported by evidence as the supernatural claims of the bible.
Homeschooling is extremely dangerous with people like this guy championing it.
Ugh oooh, someone doesn't know what fossilized means. As someone with a few degrees in geology who works in the field (oil and gas), its almost painful to hear these guys try to twist around the science... Carbon dating has known issues, thats why we generally try to corroborate multiple forms of dating. ie Radiogenic dating with any number of different isotope combinations, dendrochronology, biostratigraphy, chemostratigraphy, cosmogenic dating, zircon track dating, and those are just the ones off the top of my head.
I never hear an explanation for why all those methods are completely wrong, but somehow all agree with each other in the vast majority of cases. Hell, most young earthers have probably only heard of carbon dating, which is arguably the weakest one for geologic phenomena.
I wonder how he thinks we find oil and gas in the modern world, given that the methods we use are heavily based in "old earth" models and evolutionary science.
I have four nieces and two nephews who were home schooled by their religious zealot parents. Their rude awakening, in early adulthood, was barely being accepted to low end community colleges. Once there, were admittedly light years behind their peers, their struggles overwhelmed them, and they were never able to make it. They were also socially stunted and, to this day, have no social skills.
beaniesamuels Methinks I've read their posts on videos much like this.
Not the freaking moon dust thing _again_ and the Mt St Helens misrepresentations. Do these creationists ever have any new material? He talked about creationist world view not being a static thing yet he trots out the hoariest chestnuts in the Early Learning Creationist Toolkit.
It is the same arguments over and over again, even if they know it's wrong. They have a political agenda, not a scientific/antiscientific one.
Edit for clarification-they're not interested in accurate science-it's tricking people to achieve a political agenda that interests Creationists.
I'm quite sure every Creationist has a tape player in their brain that will automatically play when they want to debate this stuff. which is impossible to debate with a creationist because they won't accept any view that isn't their own.
Just direct creationists to answers in genesis, when they bring up the moon dust argument. Even those batshit-crazy creationists understand that it's a stupid argument and shouldn't be used.
answersingenesis.org/kids/astronomy/moon-dust-argument-no-longer-useful/
Notice the date? So they're flogging a very old dead horse, if they use this argument.
I was thinking the same thing when David mentioned the absurd Christ Myth theory about parallels. I don't know which I found more annoying. For the most part I like DP interviews, but some things really get under my skin. Oh well, still an interesting conversation.
Sadly, yes. It's the arguments they hear in the pulpit and the BS they tell each other that has them nodding like bobble heads. When they take the arguments to realists, they fall flat and can't understand why the same lies aren't working.
For a religion that claims it's the truth, they sure use a lot of out right lies!
I wonder how many times someone has come up to this guy's kids and asked "hey, isn't our dad that fucking idiot?"
Please make the stupid stop! I can't beat my head on the desk anymore!
You cannot carbon date to 100s of thousands of years old. 70,000 is the absolute max (getting harder at that range), and it works better in the 5,000 to 30,000 year range. Older dates use other radiometric methods. It's one thing when creationist don't understand these things, but it is frustrating when those that debate them don't know to be able to call them out on these things.
byron2521 dude, creationists always trot out carbon dating. They always disregard other types of dating.
"I'm getting flagged in our studio by our some of our Christian Interns saying they don't know [what is] offensive." 11:13 lol David
As a Christian myself, I did not understand why Mike McHugh took offence.
But it could be because I'm not a right wing Christian.
Mr. McHugh has no understanding of science what-so-ever.
You tube uses multiple sciences
So if 3 feet of moon dust = 4.5 billion years, then how old is the moon if there is only 2 inches of moon dust?
3 feet = 36 inches, therefore (4.5/36)x2= 0.25 billion. So, by his own logic, the moon is 250 million years old. And, I have completely ignored him thinking that the moon is 14 billion years old.
The vast majority of home schooled kids are really messed up. i have dealt with a lot of them when i first left for college and they where all so sheltered and had major problems with science and history. Not to mention the fact that most of them are so socially inept that they find it extremely hard to make friends.
I was homeschooled, and I think you're spot-on. It took me several years to "undo" some of the egregious harm caused by being force-fed religious curricula.
I am not aware of knowing any home schooled students- including myself, perhaps it is my age- but I would say the majority of people are really messed up, particularly the ones that seem the most together. There may be a signature affect while observing socially inept homeschooled children that stick out like a sore thumb but with currently around 3% of school aged children being homeschooled how many students that you have met do you assume were not socially inept and homeschooled. Do you really make it common practice to learn about peoples experiences in school for small talk?
WhatsUpHufflepuff Funny enough I was thinking the same thing about having to undo egregious harm caused by being force-fed historical revisionism and sycophantic rhetoric from the public school system.
EgadsNo You can usually tell who was homeschooled on first sighting by the way they dress and how they carry themselves. The few I've known have initially found it very hard to adjust at first but you're right I could have also met some well adjusted ones and never known it. For the social aspect you could say private schooling often can have the same effect but not nearly as severe. Again it doesn't last very long but many people I've known who went to all boys schools didn't have any idea how to interact with women at all until they got out into the real world for a bit.
There was a homeschooling Christian family that lived next door to me and they had CPS come to their home and take their kids because their son got their daughter pregnant...lunatics man.
"I'm offended" means, "I can't control my emotions so you must amend your behavior".
Teaching creationism as an alternative view, that deserves equal respect is no different than teaching in math that 2 + 2 = 5 as an equally alternative view.
"If 2+2=5, I'm the pope"
"If 2+2=5...
that means 4=5...
so, lets subtract 2 from each side...
that gives us...
2=3....
transposing, we have 3=2...
now, lets subtract 1 from each side...
2=1...
Now, since the Pope and I are two different people, and 2=1...
Therefore, me and the Pope are one."
~Bertrand Russel
Sorry for my ignorance but did Russel actually say this or are you just trying to make a point.
In either case it is 100% ILLUMINATING.
Thanks I will remember this for the next time a mental MIDGET of CREATIONISM challenges me.
You are correct, HE DID.
Oh gawd it gets worse and worse. 10:55 He is highly offended by David's characterization of his "friend" Jesus? LOL!
Can I be highly offended by this guy's stupidity and the degree to which he is full of shit?
@@jaycol21 I would think you would have to be! I was!
"My friend Jesus Christ." FART SOUND
Christian homeschooler.... is that polite code for ‘stupid’?
David is one of the most Humble person and Journalist I ever watched. Nice and clean person.
I'm a christian and was not offended at all by David. I actually find him to be fair and understanding in his approach.
I also am annoyed by the christian's old hashed arguments from the young earth view.
I don't believe in a young earth, don't believe in a world wide flood, do believe in some kind of evolution. I find it frustrating speaking with other Christians who take the bible so literal as a science book when it was not at all designed to do so. I ask Christians why they don't believe the earth is the center of the solar system if they want to take the bible so literally? I hope science doesn't affect that answer too much !!! I'm sure I' m looked on with distrust by other Christians but why should Young Earthers be looked on as if they are the only authoritive voice of interpretation of the bible? They are not and don't deserve to be. Christians in an earlier century had no problem with an old earth before this group took over. There is so much more to be said but it gets a little tiring when believers are only open to science that suits them.
His “offense” is in being questioned. Which NO ideologue enjoys.
If someone accepts both science and religion as being compatible, then they are at the very least, incredibly misinformed about one of them.
Ellie M. I would say that they are generally misinformed about both. How many Christians do you think know the history of their gods evolution from its pagan past?
The Abrahamic faiths all have their roots in Judaism, which has its pagan polytheist roots in worshiping a tribal war god. Yahweh, before he was promoted to the Lord of the Universe, was a minor god in a greater pantheon that existed in ancient Babylon and Canaan. The original Father God was named El, and he even had a female consort goddess known as Astaroth. Yahweh was the god of war in this pantheon. Mention of this in the Bible is in Deuteronomy 32:7-9 where Yahweh is placed in a subordinate role to El Elyon as one of the sons of El, each given a people to rule over. El assigned Jacob to Yahweh. After the ancient Hebrews, who were originally Canaanites, formed their own kingdom called Judah, they adopted the Babylonian god of war as their chief god, and eventually proclaimed him to be the only god. Of course this makes sense. If you're a fledgling nation surrounded by hostile enemies, and you want to establish yourself as a power in the region, which god would make the most sense to pray to? The one who can help you conquer your neighbors and obtain territory, of course.
Dogma Disputant My family has a lot of religious people in it. Their basic view is science explains how god did it. Sounds kind of weird but hey, better than plugging your ears and ignoring things.
+Kiki Yuyu
How is "god did it" an answer to anything? Saying that makes a person stop looking for the real answer.
TheJimtanker Yeah, but not everyone on the planet needs to know everything. It isn't an answer, I know that. But I care more about their happiness than my own need to be right all the time. So long as it causes them no harm, I won't take away what is important to them.
So was he offended by the "never had sex" part or the "born on Dec.25th" part? How the hell was that offensive? The real problem with creationists wanting to teach it in public schools is exactly what David was getting at there. The bible is not the only holy book in the world with a creation myth. So we'd have to teach them ALL, even the most ridiculous ones. Perhaps he was offended because the question framed the Judeo-christian creation myth as just one of many...
10:55 "Your characterisation of my friend, Jesus Christ..." Jesus Christ.
Props to David for keeping this interview on track. I would never keep that calm in the face of rubbish.
Wow, David. Not sure how you can bear to listen to fools like that. His combination of ignorance and arrogance was more than I could have tolerated.
The argument isn't evolution versus creation. It's logic and reason versus superstition and ignorance.
Vis a vis on being ‘offended‘ the great Hitch would respond: “I’m still waiting to hear your point!”.
I want to say "THANK YOU, David" because I've heard so very FEW people review their own work on air, as you did and you were very open-minded! I believe YOU DID a great job.
You are very articulate and I enjoy listening to you speak.
I was raised in a baptist religion and I had lots of trouble when I entered university, later. I quit after 3& 1/2 years of my 4 year program :-(
I feel sorry for the fellow ( Mike) who is missing out on the vast amount of knowledge available in our wide world.
science isn't on the SAT.
Lol, I know, I laughed my ass off at that part too, like "really? they did well on the Science portion of the SATs? The SATs that only have a Reading section and a Math section? THOSE SATS??"
Then I further lost my shit when christian nutjob gives obviously false anecdotal evidence as "proof" that kids who are taught to avoid science, still excel above and beyond those who were taught science correctly, then turns around and says "ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE?! You are giving me ANECDOTAL evidence?!" to David saying he could forward him the sources who wish to remain off the air.
I know, I had one creationist say that SCIENCE was just a bunch of OPINIONS, scientists just go around asking for OPINIONS on how to fly a probe to Pluto, then they tot up the most popular OPINION and go with it. The same for the LAWS OF PHYSICS, the laws are just the most popular OPINIONS.
When I was asked if I believed in a higher power I said YES OF COURSE it is GRAVITY. My questioner stated ANGRILY that gravity had NEVER been detected on Earth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I asked him to pick up a heavy weight and hold it above his head then let go of it and maybe GRAVITY would knock some sense into him or at least remove him from the gene pool, I live in hope.
Keith Grove when people tell me that they dont believe in science, I usually ask them one question: when you get sick, do you go to the doctor? if you do, then you believe in science ;)
+Chris Diaz You are 100% correct, but I go further and ask if those people have a sign around their necks saying " in event of a heart attack, DO NOT CALL PARAMEDICS, PLEASE JUST PRAY". I either get no response or I get filthy insulting threats, from those good Christian people
Its been been 42 years since I took my SAT. If science isn't on the SAT that urgently needs to be remedied
Love this show though! Great interviews and topics.. Spreading the word for sure!
What facts? A 1500 year old book telling the story of some guy walking on water? That's not a fact, that's a story.
Isis and the US homeschoolers are of the same cloth, it is all about supression.
Rudolf Zupan The difference is, since US is predominately christian they're blind to the similarities and their hypocracy.
I absolutely love David's interview style. He doesn't let insanity go unchallenged and gives them just enough rope to hang themselves. And when there isn't insanity, it's just a nice conversation.
I know what was offensive in David's question: he said "sex"
Mchuge: *Provides anecdotal evidence
David: *Provides anecdotal evidence
Mchuge: "HOW DARE YOU USE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE!!!!"
Theocrat: "I don't know, I wasn't there [at the moment the earth was created], were you?" (7:05)
Me: Yes. Yes, I was.
Theocrat: No, you weren't!
Me: How would you know? You weren't there.
I'm stealing this brilliant response. 👍
The moment anyone says, "I could answer your question, but I got offended so I won't", they never had an answer to begin with.
Classic deflection. "I'm not answering that, it's offensive" is a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card from the same pack as that old favourite "It's not for us to know".Can't answer a question? Just trot out one of these two phrases and you're away.
You forgot the ever popular FREE WILL.
+Keith Grove Took me a long time to find out free will wasn't optional.
10:53
Really? You find his totally accurate description of your mythology offensive?
Adorable.
This is why sometimes we need big government. the government should hire a scientist to determine what needs to be in the science books, mathematics teacher for arithmetic, and so on. these people need to learn that 2+2=4, not 2+2=jesus.
David is a very patient and gracious man. I don't know how he manages to persevere when listening to so much sickening codswallop.
The only time kids should be home schooled is if they live where it is impossible for them to travel to a school or they are disabled and/or he local school is not accessible for them. Then they must be taught the same curriculum as that of the public school system of the state/province in which they live. Parents who have no college education are basically unfit to teach properly. Also, the kids miss out on the social part of school, have no access to science labs or other specialized educational aids which deters them receiving a proper education.
you make these claims, but they are unfounded. and by the way, it's 2014. Every kid of a middle class family would benefit from a total overhaul of the brick and mortar school system as it stands. There is very little reason to have to even go there to get information. Let's call it what it is. DAY CARE!
Tertioptus And you have this insider information because . . . ? I knew a family who homeschooled - the Mom didn't even have a high school education because she quit when she got pregnant with the first kid at 15. This makes her qualified to teach school subjects how? Both kids went back to regular school two years after being home schooled and were a year behind and had to repeat a year. This is beneficial how? Home schooling is a farce. I don't know where you live, but where I live the school system is very good.
Y Brynecho you just said it your self, you don't know where I live. Just because you happen to live in Retardia, why subject everyone else to your towns standards. What it be fair for me to expect everyone to homeschool because of my kids success with it. Should we have forced bill gates or mark z to finish college. Or how about that kid who elected to be homeschool to focus on an app that he sold for millions.
Tertioptus Okay I guess you're very qualified to home school your kids. It shows in your precise grammar and spelling. The boy who sold an app for millions is taking correspondence courses via the internet which is not the same as being home schooled by a high school drop-out.
Y Brynecho really? you got me, I'm no English professor. Nor do I treat youtube posts like legal documents. But logic is logic, and it seems to allude you, even with your superior grammar. You say the boy took correspondence courses. Even if that's true, your prior statements, if put to law, would have given him no options about his education. Out of everything you could have commented on you chose pick on my command of English, and an argument that still contradicts your own. Why can't you concede anything? You know you wouldn't want me making broad decisions for you and your family, why should you do so for me. What gives you that right? And if you think you are of the elite, then just admit it?
I am a progressive Christian and a regular listener of David. I love his perspective and his clear way of communicating it. He teaches me things all the time about politics, economy, etc. You can't argue with good facts and good reasoning. With that said, I also know Christian Liberty Academy in Illinois, I know people that send their kids there and I used to live with a guy (who I disagree with almost always) who teaches there. I disagree with the Christian school concept but I will get into that later. Was that question offensive? It didn't offend me. David's tone was a little sarcastic but I get why he would have such an attitude about this type of education. My take is that progressives like David and Bill Maher who are so anti Christian are responding to a certain type of Christianity; one that I also reject as a Christian. The problem with this entire conversation is that David and guest are pinning religion and science against each other. They ask two very different questions. Science asks the how and religion ask the why. Do they overlap, sure. When Christians finally accepted that the earth is not the center of the universe, Christianity changed our perspective that maybe we humans are not the center of the universe for God. God loves all creation. Science affects faith. Hopefully the science around LGBTQ will also change the church sometime soon. At the same time if everything about faith can be answered by science, faith isn't faith anymore. Faith's very definition is seeking something more than what is right in front of our faces. Is there life after death? Is there more to life than breathing in and out, going to work, having fun, etc. Does what we do matter in the grand scheme of things? Science fails to answer these questions bc it is not meant to answer them. Thus going back to why Christian schools is a dumb idea is that they try to use the Bible as a science book when it is not. It is a collection of different genres. It's like using a poem to teach science, it's using someone's diary to teach math...that is stupid. Just because we Christians claim that the Bible is holy, it doesn't mean we think that there are answers to everything in the Bible like answers to out next biology test, or politic science test. This is how people ended up using the Bible to spew garage like all the bs about women's role, anti homosexuality, even support of slavery. You use a tool incorrectly then you are going to cut your fingers off. Thinking that people more than 4 ,000 years ago built a wooden ship that actually fit 2 of each animals of the entire world....that's stupid. All this is a misunderstanding of what faith is, what science is. I think that David gets is as wrong as much as his guest does. The evidence we use for science are not the same evidence we use for faith and vice versa. You are trying to fit a circular peg into a square hole. Of course it's going to seem ridiculous.
When a few of us atheists pose questions to the Christians on the Facebook page _God's Not Dead_ we commonly get replies saying that our questions are not only offensive but also hateful.
facebook.com/GodsNotDeadTheMovie
COHERENT APOLOGIST
Not really the universe works because of physics which have no supernatural power behind them.
COHERENT APOLOGIST Its good to know that gods not dead, becouse that means abortion is good, gay marriage is good, porn and all this stuff is good. Thats what "god is dead" means - we arent behaving the right way. If thats wrong, great.
That is wrong. Just asking questions - actually even offensive ones - is and should be allowed and ( for the charitable punchbag Christian welcomed) should be fine especially in a Public arena.
He said the scientists were using "old earth" presuppositions. One, that's not how scientists operate. Two, how does he know his presupposition that the earth is young is a better one?
LOL. He used the moon dust argument? LOLLLLLLL
True science flows out of observation , and interpretation, which is then submitted to educated peers, FOR CRITICISM, PEER REVIEW, TESTING, AND THEN RELEASED FOR FURTHER REVIEW.
People who follow anything based in fear will always, themselves, be afraid. Taking the fear out of science equals a person becoming more educated and thus, less fearful. If you take the fear out of religion, you have no more religion! Hmmm.
Actually, the reason the moon only has 3 inches on the side of the moon we landed on is because the moon is tidally locked. the far side of the moon is confirmed to have feet of dust where the side that is always facing the earth has only inches in some places. Due to the fact that the earth has a stronger gravitational pull, most space-borne material falls to earth and not to the moon. dust and particles flying between the moon and earth will ALWAYS be puled towards the earth vs the moon which is why you have more dust on the far-side vs the side facing the earth where we landed in the 60s.
ha ha he brings up the moon landing as evidence...oh my fucking god :)
Your interviews on the subject of religion are some of my favorites about your show, David.
hahahhahahaa! "my friend jesus christ" hahahahaha! batshit crazy
Because it's crazy to think Jesus is your friend.
*****
No, that's crazy to think.
You cannot base a curriculum on a religion because it is not a provable worldview! You cannot look for any factual data to support or refute it- except for a book that is religious opinion (the Bible).
Do you age at all David?
TH-cam appears to be suggesting to me CLASSIC Pakman
To be fair, the early Christians didn't celebrate on December 25th. This was introduced by the Catholic Church. Catholicism is not Christianity, Catholic means "universal." It is an amalgamation of Christianity and the other dominant faiths of the time.
***** The earliest accounts of an actual Christmas celebration had it as a pagan holiday which was celebrated by setting fires and killing goats. The Catholic Church, if what I remember is correctly, saw this holiday (which was widely celebrated) as a way of persuading others to believe in the Catholic faith so they adopted the holiday into the Catholic doctrine.
JinsoNation It was celebrated in various places as it is a solar holiday. The Romans practiced Mithraism, so for them it was Mithra's birthday. They also worshiped Dagon. www.whale.to/c/fish_h9.jpg < The Pope's mitre is that of Dagon. Catholicism has little in common with the Christianity practiced by the early Christians.
***** Are you trying to say Christianity is only for jews? You aren't making much sense there bud.
Kenny Browne Not at all, many of the early Christians were gentiles, but none of them celebrated the solar holiday (Mithra's birthday) known as Christmas. The Romans couldn't wipe out the Christians (they tried) so they compromised and blended paganism and Christianity together and called it Catholicism.
Thomas Schmidt Languages are not 'pagan', only beliefs. The Jews of the day spoke Greek just like the rest of the Roman empire. They did *_not_* adopt the religion of the Greeks, however. This was strictly forbidden in the Torah. Of course the Gospels were written in Greek, as they were aimed primarily at Gentiles, not Jews, and Greek was the dominant language, just like English is today. ***** Christians never had a Pope, confessed to priests, or ate fish on Friday. The Romans worshiped Dagon, the fish god. Dagon's special day was Friday. In honor of Dagon, Catholics are forbidden from eating any flesh, (other than fish) on Friday. As a representative of Dagon, the Pope also wears Dagon's mitre: www.whale.to/c/fish_h9.jpg < This is only one example of many. Catholicism is pagan as can be.
David never said "National", the caller brought that up himself.
Good show, David & Crew. Thank you all.
Actually, that is a fact. And those Christian homeschool kids that later go on to college and "graduate with honors?" The vast majority of those are going to religious schools like Bob Jones, Pensacola, Moody, etc... They're not typically going into public secular schools. And when they do go to public secular schools, they are behind in the field of science and must take the classes aimed at catching up lower performing students in order to get up to speed with their classmates.
Highly offended: not an argument. Privilege conditions folks like this that somehow their petty little feelings are somehow relevant.
Only in America would such a conversation take place.
I'm so glad I live in Europe.
The word "Homeschool" makes my skin crawl!
"The universe as they see it" , this phrase perfectly represents the entire problem with christians thinking that their opinions or beliefs matter in any way when it comes to the reality of the universe. As Neil DeGrasse Tyson says " the universe is under no obligation to make sense to you".
Watching in 2020. David your show has come so far. Congrats!
That man should never be allowed to teach anything.