@@TheOvermindStarcraft Armed forces trainings do not cover things like giant monkey or fire breathing Lizards or any other sort of mostrous creature. There's no specific protocol or training to react to these. For other cases like nuclear fallout, hostage situations etc, they have a set of protocols, they're trained and know what they should do. That's what Techinically means here. If they see something of Godzilla sort, they'll follow their best judgement to fight off. That's a non technical way of fighting.
@@harishankarkandankumarath9922 Oh it's ok, i'm trained to take down massive monkeys and godzillas, i just climb them, load them with C4's, jump off with a paraglider and blow them up. Works every time!
@@udsmall7306 Both Nimitz and Halsey had higher command, pay grade, and thus authority as Fleet Admirals, than Admiral Foggo did as just a full Admiral. Fleet Admiral (FADM) is a special rank that only gets used during times of extreme conflict, and only 4 have ever held the position in the US Navy. ADM Foggo is also referring to the time when he was Commander, US 6th Fleet (C6F), as a Vice Admiral (VADM), which was the last time he held operational command over naval assets. His tenure spent as an ADM in the position of Commander, US Naval Forces Europe-Africa (CNE-CNA) is what we call administrative control (ADCON) rather than operational control (OPCON). He would have technically been in charge, but it would in the context of directing his operational commanders (C6F, etc) to carry out missions, which they would (and still do) personally, aboard their flagship. In the case of 6F, this is USS Mount Whitney.
Until you hear him say that a battleship moves sideways several yards while firing. I really hope he was talking about the rocking of the ship and the effects of this, not literal lateral movement. Even people who served on battleships will claim this.... does not make them right though.
I appreciate how this guy understands entertainment value without being condescending. He loves a lot of the movies with poor accuracy because they're fun, and he doesn't let the inaccuracy ruin his enjoyment.
@@jasonaldana1470 is that a serious statement? You do understand the guns have been fired All the way into the 1990's right? You do know it's common knowledge the ship doesn't move right? You can't be that phuking stupid, you just can't be..........or can you🤨
@@travishutt450 well obviously he doesnt kid. maybe instead of just "being sure" why dont you research it. That little thing you got in your hand (no the other little thing ha!) Has the collective knowledge of mankind all neatly stored and easily accessed. I'll be here for your apology when you find out you and "the Admiral" are wrong😂😅😆😄🤭👉
Admiral James Gordon "Jamie" Foggo III-real deal this guy. Just retired-must be bored, so I’m glad he decided to spend some of his retirement entertaining us. Fair winds and following seas Admiral.
@@jasonator69er He's retired from Naval service. He doesn't HAVE to work anymore, but chooses to by passing on what he's learned in his field(s) of expertise, which he's chosen to do. But he's definitely retired. Man deserves it, after 41 long years in the Navy.
No, it is harder to see a General... Why? Because the seamen whenever they shout "General Quarters" they run around the ship looking for a general to stuff into the quarters somewhere. If they had said "Admiral Quarters" it would have been different.
@@CMDRSweeper To be fair, Generals are generally hard to find in the Navy. If your last name was Quarters and you wanted to pursue a military career, the Navy would be right up your strait. Although it would open you up to ridicule every time Seamen misbehave and are confined to quarters.
I don't know how you guys manage to find Navy admirals who are willing to sit and give commentary on King Kong versus carriers, but your ability to find such high-quality commentators never fails to impress me. 😆
The majority of their commentators probably have either children or grandchildren and doing something like this makes them look 'cooler' but you can see that despite the many inaccuracies its entertaining for them.
@@tashadent150 It could be about being cool... But I imagine people like this that have such niche in-depth knowledge are likely over joyed to share their passion with an engaging auidience
Its one of those movies you just need to shut the logical part of your brain off and have fun. You have a ww2 battleships ripping apart an alien spacecraft while AC/DC blares, it is not supposed to be any type of realistic. If you want realism go watch Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World.
To be fair, it's hard not to hate movies depicting your field of expertise. Hollywood invariably fucks most or all the details up, when it would cost a pittance to hire a qualified consultant. It can be legitimately infuriating.
@@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid well duh genius. If you actually made things real life a movie would be horrendously boring and mundane. Ever see a real car wreck? Yea. It doesn’t catch fire and blow up. Just sits there. Artillery shells whistle before hitting. Nope. Not a peep. I can keep going but you somewhat get the picture ?
Same thing like in the military; you see in movies that they train in the range looking all cool, so you joined thinking you'd get to do that all day, when in reality, you have to apparently wait a few hours before getting a rifle, pop off a few rounds for a few minutes, stop, then wait another few hours for debriefing.
@N Fels I forget what the actual name is, but there is a term to describe how people will accept the word of someone on a topic they do not know about, but will pick apart every last thing that is wrong when the topic is something they know. It is normally applied to non-fiction things, but I think it really applies to stuff like movies and whatnot as well. Where there is still a tendency to accept events as depicted when you do not know about them, common example being defibrillator use in movies. Two examples that always gets me are when I see a pure sailing ship, moving along, with its sails totally slack or when I see the recoil of a cannon and know it is at something like 1/4 of the proper charge. For any of that, it takes willing suspension of disbelief at a proper conscious level to get past it without them ruining your mood. "ok, they did that... moving on...." more or less. btw, I personally know the brother of someone who was tied up along with his mother and shot and killed with his mother right there. And they were left that way. The mother was not harmed (physically) but was left tied up with the corpse of her son. From what I heard, apparently this guy had screwed over some drug dealers. Happened 7-8 years ago give or take. His brother and I used to live in the same apartment building and we had a couple of mutual friends. Just one anecdote, but sometimes it does happen..... it does make you wonder how much of the way that murder played out, was based on what the murderers saw on tv and in movies though. edit: typos
Whoever organizes these people must have an amazing contact list. A few army guys. A survival specialist. A former CIA director. An expert for medieval warfare. And many other people.
@Gluck Gluck 5000 When i say "sailor" i'm not talking just about the US NAVY grade, i'm talking about someone who actually sail and thus who have real knowledge about sea, ships and all that sort of stuffs. That guy no matter how shiny his cap is simply lack those knowledge on the subject that matter here.
in a realistic world an animal cant be out of metal, like a ship, and be of a size like a war ship....or tanker. so a kaiju would maybe be the top of the animal kingdom, BUT they tend to SUCK against actual tools... strong skin would simply be ineffective from a shell, that can crack inches of metal with one explosion. but kaiju are not actual realistic to begin with them.
Tbh, the "issue" in movies is that ships and aircraft are just way too close to the combat imo. An F-35 can comfortably pop shots at a Godzilla from dozens of kms away, yet it flies within like 50metres of the monster, enabling em to get killed.
@@apollomars1678 I think you underestimate nature. even though this is speculative, dinosaurs like ankylosaurs and triceratops basically had bone armor. if it''s thick enough, it can take some damage. and it wont induce pain usually
@@Vaas109 subtract the bookends about the burrito and it's a solid, funny movie. I love when the old vets get the boat ready for war as AC/DC blares on the soundtrack. It's silly, and everybody involved knew it was silly, and you can imagine them laughing in the editing room as they stitched that scene together.
His comment about a ship moving sideways "several yards" when firing made me cringe. This isn't even remotely accurately - not even close. A battleship would move sideways a fraction of a millimeter, not "several yards" - this is just basic physics, conservation of momentum. There's a great mathematical analysis over at navweaps titled "Do Battleships move sideways when they fire?" - they take the mass of the broadside shells multiplied by the shell velocity assuming a 0 degree angle (fired straight at the horizon - an angle the guns would never actually be fired at, but maximizes the force applied to the ship) and compare that to the mass of the ship to determine the velocity added to the ship. The answer is 0.46 feet per second assuming NO resistance to the ship at all (IE. the ship is balancing on ice, not in the water). The total sideways motion of a 58,000 ton battleship firing it's broadsides straight at the horizon (minimum distance possible) would move that battleship across ice only 6 inches per second. The moment you add water resisting the motion of the battleship, that velocity goes to 0. A 16 inch Mark 8 APC shell is 2700 pounds, and a US battleship can only fire 9 of them at a time, so you only have 24,300 pounds to move a 58,000 TON ship. It's just conservation of momentum, the ship weighs 5000x the weight of the ENTIRE broadside.
@@ialsoagree Is it me or there's something missing here? 23000lbs is just the ejected mass; where's is the detonation being taken into account? Plus, he was talking about the scene, and in the scene it was not a single salvo, but a close series of salvos; that makes all the difference in the world if I remember my mechanical physics classes correctly.
@@GinoMEGuain "where's is the detonation being taken into account" Are you talking about the "detonation" of the powder that launches the shell? It's being taken into account by the force formula: Force = mass * acceleration The mass is 1/5000 that of the ship, so the acceleration will be 1/5000 as well. The acceleration of a Mark 8 APC round from a 16" gun is 2500' per second. So the acceleration on the battleship would it get it to 0.5' per second, not accounting for any water displacement (which would get it so close to 0 we could probably not measure it). For perspective, when you walk on the side walk, you're walking at about 5' per second - or with about 10x more speed than would be added to the battleship. "that makes all the difference in the world if I remember my mechanical physics classes correctly." It makes 0 difference. It takes about 30 seconds to reload a 16" gun. The near-0 velocity added will be at 0 within 1 second of firing the gun. You can fire as many times as you want, there's 29+ seconds where all the acceleration added from the previous salvo was completely negated by water before you get another salvo off.
A truly great leader takes into account even the improbable or "impossible" and is willing to use outside sources or "On the Ground/ Up-Front" intel, even if it isn't his own. His greatest job, in such a scenario isn't to merely slay the Kaiju. It isn't even to fight them. The objective is to develop a plan of action, with the officers under him, and to keep as many Navy personnel and Navy assets operational as he and those under him can. To find out what he can do, to get and relay orders, to provide leadership and, when the chance of victory is greatest, only then commit the lives and materials under his command to action. (Admittedly, I'm not a sailor, and certainly not an officer. I've never served as a merchant seaman, etc. I'm an amateur. A mortal guessing at what a Titan might do. Still don't think that he'd underestimate something that's nearly as heavy as a carrier and engaged in a grudge match with a lizard the size of a danged building.
This was my first submarine captain. He's a fantastic leader. Couldn't be happier that he made Admiral. They should bring him back to rate submarine movies.
I'd say the most unrealistic part of the "Battleship" movie was that they took a WW2 era battleship from museum status to fully operational in a matter of hours. Oh, and they did it with only a few old vets.
That's the elephant in the room. Impossible. But it was so fun to suspend disbelief and watch them do it! That's why it's one of the admiral's favorite movies. That is what we WANT it to be able to do with exactly those few men and Rihanna!
@@julieenslow5915 Yeah, it was pretty cool to see an Iowa class back in action. Though to make it slightly more believable they could've gotten a bunch of the vets from the 80's era Iowa class refit.
I’m a Navy photographer and I was on USS Ross in June 2021 when it was ported in Odesa, Ukraine, and when we heard that it was reported by the Russians that we were off the coast of Crimea, I was put in a helicopter and made to take pictures of Ross to prove that we were where we said we were to fight that misinformation. Crazy to see it mentioned here!
@@vishrutkrishna8469 Boy, do I know it, pal. My heart is crying out for you guys there. I’ve kept in contact with the great people I met there. 2 friends in Kyiv, one in Kharkiv who fled to Dniepr, and 3 buddies in Odesa now. One was a bouncer at молодость, now he’s a soldier. I’m not a policy maker for my government, but if I had the reins, we’d be there by now. For now, y’all are all I worry about, I send what money I can, and I can personally attest that more body armor and medical supplies are heading your way. Just loaded it up on pallets for a plane ride. Слава Україні!
It's very good to hear that the Navy now takes hearing protection seriously. In Vietnam on our destroyer, the #2 gun mount often fired back past the bridge where we stood watch. Those were 5" .38 caliber cannon, we were effectively IN the muzzle blast when they fired, and we had zero protection, not even a warning that the gun was about to fire. My ears ring as I write this, yet when I tried to get hearing help in the 1980s the audiologist blew me off, saying "You probably just went to too many rock and roll concerts." Dismissive, insulting and wrong. So I'm glad somebody finally decided that destroying Naval personnels' hearing was a bad idea.
Haha yeah you got to remember its an admiral saying that tho😂. While yes general safety is definitely better than it was in Vietnam, it doesnt mean you dont get exposed to loud noises. Cooling skids, engineering, 400hz, and the 5inch are very loud and sometimes you dont got ear pro on😂
In 2015 at the VA Hospital I was ask if I wanted to take a hearing test?, I said you mean for the 7 time ? The audiologist said seven times, I said correct, 3 times when I taken breaks on Active duty to go Reserve status, that needed a wavers to git back on Active duty, I stated, I have it all in my medical jacket but that got lost.. but fortunately for me.. those Vietnam veterans NCO s beat it into us.. you will make a double copy of everything you do in the military and keep it,, send it home to your mom or dad or dog but you have it sent home, secured and you keep it... Because guaranteed your medical jacket will turn up missing. The audiologist asked me how long was I in and I said I was tight in the military 17 years 4 months 3 days.. Active, National Guard, Army Reserve then rift R.I.f 01 01 94 she ask me what my MOS was I told her the first one was 16 echo 20 Hawk Fire Control crew chief. Then on and on about my career in the Army. She then asked me from her experience a lot of veterans come in there and they said they were weren't issued ear plugs... And they were suffering from tendonitis... I told her that every unit that I was with especially in ADA & Arty that was an article 15 if you did not have that clear case and Orange earplugs in them every morning during formation inspection. Those things were defective they still helped out a little bit. They were horrible nuisance to wear especially if you were wearing a headset! forget it if you went down to supply and ask for three sets of them in one year!! So most of the guys would take and feild dress a cigarette butt run the cigarette filter in their mouth get it wet, then shove it inside their ears... That's what us NCO called Field expedient method of hearing protection. She then said that these soldiers are telling the truth I said absolutely they are! they just forgot about how hard it was to get hearing protection...but ask the next one that comes in if he has field strip cigarette butts implace them inside his ear, for protection. soon received my 10% for my hearing loss, and I met many soldiers at the VA hospitals as they finally got their 10% disability for their hearing loss.
I was on a 3"50 cal gun mount withthe most primitive hearing protection known by the Navy. I felt like I was underwater and it's come back to haunt me. Blew out my hearing but brushed it off. Around 73 on the USS TRIPOLI LPH 10. It was cool unfortunately I wasn't.
Really love how this guy takes the goofiness and fiction if Hollywood movies in stride and doesn't get mad or overly analytic when he says something probably won't work
I think that's true about any senior commander in the military. They had to do a full, technical breakdown of a Naruto run (several pages of the pros and cons, with examples for the troops who would be guarding the place) when the Area 51 raid was planned. Procedure for meeting extraterrestrial life exists (and includes quarantine, to make sure the alien isn't carrying a bad disease that's contagious), too. It's not like they necessarily want to plan for ridiculous things, but that they have to at least consider any possibility because if they don't and it happens, there's no one else to guard the people. It's ironic, extremely so, that the most serious organizations in the world have to take account of the ludicrous to the degree of looking ridiculous in order to be serious about any potential threat.
I’ve been watching these ratings for a while now, mostly from snipers, operators, pilots… But listening to an Admiral of 40 year’s service is a huge cut above the rest. Everything from his demeanor, tenor, intelligence, down to the cadence of his voice is an honor to listen to. This is an absolute professional.
Well, right up till he was saying the battleship would "move" due to recoil. That's largely believing certain forms of hype. I've been reading up on the US BB line, and some of the commanders who controlled them. They had long enough breeches and enough room in the turret that they didn't move an inch when firing the big guns. Even if fired simultaneously. That's from the technical documentation and many of the ww2 admirals who had to find accuracy with those guns.
I think the most impressive part was even though he knows the ship's displacement, he still did at the very least a quick Google search on Kong to see if his weight would potentially cause damage to the carrier instead of just assuming and basing it off that to give a more realistic idea of what to expect in that scenario
I'd be expecting the shock of impact to push the ship downwards a bit more, with the hull throwing a bunch of water sideways. Now, like him, I could see the deck not snapping in half. HOWEVER, it'd be useless as a runway after having 50kt smashing into it. The armour may survive, but the asphalt won't.
One thing to consider is Kong's strength beyond his weight. Crocodiles for example have a bite force of 3700 pounds psi but only measure in at 2600 pounds, and that's being generous. Kong with his massive muscles, semi-magical nature, and shear weight being influenced by gravity all together would at the very least heavily damage the aircraft carrier. He could likely disable by flattening the deck, ripping out the bridge, then pulling with his weight to the side and flipping it or puncturing it with a few punches.
the thing is that the 50k tons kong displaces concentrate around a relatively small area (the place he is standing on) which is means that the force applied per square metre can puncture the armor even if the carrier could techniqually support the weight if distributed along the ship
agreed, High level military leaders have an some incredibly difficult problems to solve in terms of logical, social, ethical and emotional reasoning and have the even harder task of combining those different philosophies into strategic reasoning to make quick, actionable decisions. The best of them are some of the wisest people on the planet in my opinion. High speed death chess on this level is the most difficult competition between any humans.
Because it was never confirmed, the USS Ward was never given official credit for having sunk the submarine. Then in the late 90's, or early 2000's, a naval archeologist using the USS Ward's logbook, found the submarine. And, in the center of the conning tower, was a 3" hole, from the 3" deck gun of the USS Ward.
it hit right in the worst spot: just above where the tower and body meet meaning it slammed through some of the toughest metal and likely killed the crew immediately from the penetration
Men of the Minnesota Naval Reserve fired that shot. The #3 gun was removed in 1943 when Ward was refitted, and now sits outside the State Capital Building. I'm proud to be from the state that fired the first shot of WWII for the US.
I was a FireControlman in the Navy for 20 years. This is a very informative video and he pretty much nailed it all. My family hates watching military movies with me, especially ones about the Navy because I can't help but point out the flaws.
@@rorywhyte6722 oh it was quite often. The lives of the entire crew are in your hands and if you are conducting Naval Gunfire Support for the Marines than it's their lives also. But at the same time it's very rewarding when things go right. I hope these men and women of today don't have to face the Russian or Chinese fleets. God forbid both.
I've watched a lot of these "Expert reviews movie scenes" vids and this is probably the most knowledgeable and professional Expert I've seen in any of them. The breadth of his knowledge from historical to modern day is very impressive. This is the kind of guy you want in charge when crap hits the fan.
He was my CO while on the USS Oklahoma City, SSN 723. He's the real deal. I served with 9 different submarine commanders during my career in the Navy. This is the guy I'd want as my CO in a war.
Typically you don't become a brass hat by being a dummy...although a few still do get through occasionally. The ones I was fortunate enough to serve under were VERY smart, had vast amounts of strategic and tactical knowledge and were also highly conscientious of the responsibility of command both up and down the chain.
Quick note to editor (though admittedly a bit late): During the Greyhound analysis, the Admiral refers to the anti-air guns being lowered to fire at the U-boat. The editor of the film points to the wrong guns in the clip. The arrows are pointing at 2 of the 5 inch guns, which were dual purpose guns that were the main armament of those Fletcher Class Destroyers. I believe the Admiral is referring to the much smaller twin barrel that is just barely visible behind the second 5" gun.
Hose are boffers guns. Fuel barrel automatic 40mm NOT 50 calibre as the admiral states. He is right about 50 cal. usually ricocheting off water and losing velocity rapidly under eayer
I thought that he called the 5 inch guns a AA gun so i was a little confused and immediately went to the comments 😅 Hope all people have had a great new year 🎆🎊🎉🎇
@@walter.whites.meme.RV. You weren't, actually, that far off. The AA guns that were intended/shown were 40 mm (1.57 inch) twin bofors. Size mattered when it came to aircraft "stopping power" in WWII, so I was somewhat surprised when the Admiral began to describe the 50 cal Browning (destroyers did, indeed, have .50 cal guns early in the war, but they were displaced by 1.1 inch guns and, later variants of the 40mm bofor - the .50 cal is not described as armament on the Fletcher class destroyers. I didn't see any .50 cal in the clip, but I might need to review again). Regardless, the 5-inch gun (main battery for a destroyer) was dual purpose and was certainly used as an anti-air weapon with great stopping power. As a matter of fact, late in WWII the Japanese were using the main battery on the battleship Yamato (18.1 inch) to protect the ship against aircraft.
@@walter.whites.meme.RV. The editor was incorrect but the admiral was right. However technically speaking the 5-inch of the Fletcher class was duel purpose anti-air.
Admiral Foggo III is a straight up boss, especially for doing this review. His excitement about Battleship shined through and I got the feeling it was pure happiness that extended all the way back to his childhood. Get more naval movies and get him back in the studio!
These breakdowns are at here peak when the expert has either watched the movies or just watches movies in general. "According to google King Kong weighs...". I'm like yes! He's taking it seriously. Been in the Navy 40 years and Battleship is one of his favorite movies? What a legend
The clip about Dunkirk hit a little close to home. His description mirrors very accurately my late grandfather's description of his escape from the aft half of the USS Hobson in 1952. Now add to all that terror of crawling through bildge sludge and sea water that you have to do it at night. It's a miracle that anyone survived, and most didn't. Fortunately he did.
"It's not part of our tactical training in the navy to fight either of those creatures." 😂 I just love his kind of humour and overall attitude. One of best guests you had.
Hearing an admiral say "Battleships, these ships were made to fight". You sir have my respect, people nowadays don't admit that battleships were beasts.
It's like a modern boxer fighting a man made of granite. It doesn't really matter that his technique is 50 years behind yours, since his body is made of a literal brick of high density reinforced steel. Those things are BIG as well, even an unarmed one can still ram most other ships and win that way.
@@DailyCorvid yea, but with outdated technology the modern boxer can hit the man made of granite from a series of out of reach locations rendering his brute force useless
@@BakingBadOBX And how exactly are these hits doing anything to a man made entirely out of granite? You punch that you're not punching anything else for at least 9 months whilst the fractures heal... Modern ships are not built to withstand direct hits like that - they are built for speed and agility rather than brute force. And there is nothing on Earth that can currently render brute force useless.
@@Alvin-1138 Well it was a throw away comment what do you expect? The original one worked the way I used it, dragging it out didn't work but that was the other guy. You can't punch through granite and thats what the old ship hulls are like. Whereas newer ones are built for agility and speed but can be shot clean through.
I like when naval history is portrayed somewhat accurately. I come from a long line of sailors- my dad shipped on DD-857 _USS Bristol_ ...a scrappy little pre-missile _Allen M. Sumner_ class destroyer. She escorted the CV-66 _USS America_ battle group, among other duties. My grandpa was a real life unsung hero: a USN SeaBee during the Battle of Guadalcanal in WW2. He ran an open cab dozer and was part of upgrading Henderson Field runway while under heavy fire from the jungle line, as the USMC had not yet secured the island. Desperate days, Seabees were unarmed, but he had a sawed off ten guage holstered on the cab...and had to use it when a Japanese soldier climbed up onto his track. They were shelled every night by the "Tokyo Express" supply ship/cruiser/destroyer line coming down The Slot. He contracted malaria and PTSD (before it was ever a term) and was never the same afterwards. I like "Battleship" because it portrays the _Arleigh Burke_ class DDG's fairly accurately...and seeing the "Mighty Mo" in all her glory is amazing (fun fact: when you see the Mo cruising- some of that's not CGI! They actually took her out on a maintenance cruise and filmed. Great info on the DVD extras about it) My dad always liked "Run Silent, Run Deep", "Das Boot" and "Hunt for Red October". All great submarine movies! Surprised they weren't mentioned. I miss my dad and grandpa. I'm the only one left, to keep the old stories alive. 😞 🌊⚓💪 But...for lunch...I think I'll have a chicken burrito. 😁😉
Just to clarify, she wasn’t under her own power during that “maintenance cruise”. When the navy sold the ships to the museum organizations, it was stated in the contract that they were not allowed to reactive many systems on the ship, including the steam systems. This has been talked about several times by Ryan Szimanski on the Battleship New Jersey channel. Several sources state that she was towed just outside Pearl harbour so there wouldn’t be any land in the shot.
I don't know why Seabees would be unarmed. Their entire motto is "We Build, We Fight" and every unit has carried its own weapons loadout as part of their mission, which is to protect what they build.
My great uncle ran escort duty in the North Atlantic during WW2, he had 2 Destroyers torpedoed out from under him. I had 2 uncles serve on Destroyers off the coast of Vietnam from 63 and 67. Me, as a Marine Veteran I loved Seabees!! We went out on a ambush, this Chief Petty officer asked if he could go out with us, I got my LT. to agree! After that Seabee CPO became best friends. People think only Seals fight, wrong every sailor fights.
IIRC My grandfather was a M.A.S.H scrub in the mid 60's 66 I think, and after a nuclear submarine core/ weapons inspector and naval nuclear physicist in the NNSY for 30 years. I heard part of a story when I was young that was an asbestos spill and he ran in to pull people out. He and his coworkers ended up with fatal lung cancer and it was something of a dark inside joke with them on who was next to get it. A humble, brilliant, eccentric man.
@@PhsykoOmen Firing a broadside won’t move the ship any noticeable amount to the side. The pressure wave caused by the muzzle blast gives that impression, but the ship would not actually move.
@@FS2K4Pilot Recently visited the USS Iowa and that was a definite myth. The ship does not move. Was a pretty glaring mistake. Also he mentioned that the targeting system was modern, while the Iowa Class analog computer were from the 40s, the system used in the movie would be back ups.
@@trickydick2909 I would give him some leeway with this. He probably never served on a battleship, and even if he did, by then they were used for shore bombardment which wouldn't require a full broadside. Great man though, very knowledgeable.
I loved when he starts to talk about Battleship because I saw the same thing although the movie is completely ridiculous story-wise. I still love how they showcased the Navy and just how powerful those old boats used to be!!
IMO that was a terrible movie but to think that they can jump on a decommissioned battle ship and head out after aliens is Ludacris. I remember how many years it took to put them back in service in the 80's. I was on a 45 year old ship and just keeping it running was a major undertaking.
I like how he appreciates these movies even though they may not be accurate. A lot of other experts just rip on them. My cousin was a surface warfare officer on a Tico cruiser and he said a lot of the ships company loved battleship because it was their movie, unlike top gun which was for the pilots.
Having served in the Navy on 3 carriers, I absolutely loved The Last Ship series. The attention to detail was spooky accurate. Very enjoyable series. Geray Hound was definitely an outstanding movie. I like that Tom Hanks stays as historically actuate as possible when he does the war movies.
Love that they included the last ship. The ops they run in the field are pretty unrealistic as far as personnel goes but they really went out of their way to make the onboard communication realistic.
The Last Ship, a series about a global corona virus pandemic, aired its last series in 2018. In 2019, there was the start of a global corona virus pandemic. TLS deserves 10 out of 10 for realism just for predicting covid.....
i remember watching it with my dad when i was a little kid, i still have the disc! definitely want to re-watch it i completely forgot about it until this video
When they filmed it there were still plenty of WWII sailors around who would have called them out if it wasn't realistic. And they had plenty of sailors to advise them on just that very accuracy.
Me too. It's funny to me that still every time I see a movie with Japanese soldiers I can't help but mimic that Nippon banjo, plink plink plink plink, plink plink plink plink.
When I was stationed on an aircraft carrier, I used to have dreams (nightmares?) of the ship capsizing and having to escape. I knew, based on the way the ship is designed that it would likely never happen, but when you're doing drills often enough during deployment, things stick in your brain and just won't let go.
I didn't panic about it, I just knew I wasn't going to survive that scenario. I had lots of escape plans, but being in the engine room made most of them highly unlikely. We'd be the first to die. I was on smaller ships where the possibility was higher too.
My Dad was a Machinist's Mate on an Essex-class carrier. He told me about working out his emergency route out and stashing a small "survival bag" (I forget exactly where, something like a ventilation shaft) with dried foods, a couple of water bottles, flashlight, etc. to grab on his way out if there was an emergency. He forgot to retrieve it when he left the carrier; said it was probably still tucked away in its hidey-hole when the carrier was decommissioned. But he admitted in a real disaster it probably would have only upgraded his chances of survival from "negligible" to "not good".
As someone who served on T23 frigates. The clip with HMS Devonshire is mainly from footage a genuine ship (they did film on a T23). However, I don't remember ever seeing flashing red beacons all over the place, neither were they fitted to T22 frigates. The only flashing beacons tended to be in machinery spaces for Halon Drench activation. LPD (albion/bulwark) have red beacons on the vehicle deck for the chemical alarm though.
Imagine having a respectable career in the navy for 40 years, just to be seriously asked how realistic is a movie about a big ape vs a radioactive lizard
And then give an answer like “50,000 tons landing on a carrier - my money is on the carrier”. Clearly the Admiral thinks Godzilla is 50,000 tons of feathers….
Not really. I grew up on Steven Seagal. Even though he is a poser, he has a lot of knowledge in military and martial arts which is why people believed his bullshit in the 90s in the first place. He isn't a great actor or military man or martial artist , but he was wise on some of the films he picked in the early 90s. Seagal maybe an habitual liar but he isn't stupid.
Steven Segal had a run back in the day making good gritty action movies and Under Siege was the best movie he was in. In his early career his character portrayals were very similar Tommy Lee Jones's acting but Segal's star-power only lasted a few movies and he didn't stay in shape so his choreography was diminished and the roles he was taking were getting hokey cause the movies were poorly written and his characterization went from quirky-badass to strange-but-got-hands to washed-up-weirdo! I don't why he fell off but whatever it was he couldn't admit it so most of his adult life was him pretending he was still on the ball.
He rated loading the big guns. When you look about actual footages or training videos, you would see that it was fairly in line with them. I.e. as I recall, they could lob the shell into the chamber and let it fly in by the pure momentum (although I think it was against official procedure), but they were very respectful when dealing with those powder bags. 🎃✴
I'd like to have seen the Admiral's assessment of the most unrealistic thing in Battleship; putting the vessel to sea after decades of it being a museum. When the Navy and Coast Guard decommission service worthy vessels into "mothball" status they still require continual maintenance to keep them in service ready status. Even when they are re-commissioned to be returned to a fleet it takes weeks to months of upkeep to prepare the ship to go out to sea. A hundred guys with hammers and blowtorches could not put a ship that had spent decades as a tourist destination back in service in a day or two.
There's actually a requirement that the ships are kept in a ready to return to service state as per - Congress passed Pub. L. 109-364, the National Defense Authorization Act 2007, requiring the battleships be kept and maintained in a state of readiness should they ever have been needed again. Congress ordered that the following measures be implemented to ensure that, if need be, Iowa and Wisconsin could be returned to active duty: 1. Iowa and Wisconsin must not be altered in any way that would impair their military utility; 2. The battleships must be preserved in their present condition through the continued use of cathodic protection, dehumidification systems, and any other preservation methods as needed; 3. Spare parts and unique equipment such as the 16-inch gun barrels and projectiles be preserved in adequate numbers to support Iowa and Wisconsin, if reactivated; 4. The navy must prepare plans for the rapid reactivation of Iowa and Wisconsin should they be returned to the navy in the event of a national emergency.
Taking a steamship from "cold iron" to 634 PSI (steam pressure out of the boiler(s) to drive the turbine engines on a Iowa class battleship ) would have taken many hours. Regardless, it was a fun movie.
Jocko seems like hard to please kind of man. A bit bitter and little too serious (maybe it's just a facade; part of his brand). Admiral Foggo on the other hand seems like a jolly man who is able to find an enjoyment in everything.
Rofl, I'd like to point out that he served in the navy for almost 40 years, and he has no Combat action ribbon (CAR) and his one and only Navy and Marine corps achievement medal has no "V" . Lol how is he the "subject matter expert " to rate battle scenes in movies? 🤦♂️he was a POG his entire career. 😂😂.
I thought it was interesting that they clearly showed the 40mm bofors and an admiral didn't give it a thought and talked about a .50 cal. Like he didn't even recognize a 40mm!
@@CFarnwide He probably didn't see much of it at all if he thought it was good, the subs were going toe to toe with destroyers on the surface, movie was absurd.
I love how his first comment was on ear protection. My dad was in the Navy during late Vietnam on a carrier and a destroyer, and his main job while he served was loading a gun. All the ear protection he had was his hands, and he's half-deaf at this point in life. My friend that was infantry in the wars after 9-11 (can't remember where he went on tour, exactly), was in a part of the Army that received defective ear protection for a period of time. His hearing issue isn't as bad as my dad's yet, at least.
Hearing protection is one of those things you don't think you need until you realize you do and by then it's usually to late. My step dad served in the Gulf War as well as Operation Iraqi Freedom. He was a mechanic in the Army who worked mostly on helicopters and other aircraft. Back during Gulf hearing protection was treated as optional and from what he's said the stuff they did offer didn't make enough of an impact to bother with it. Now he's in his early 60's and even though he won't admit it it's clear his hearing is shot
I was in the Navy on the USS Bronstein FF1037 and we had an ASROC (Anti-Submarine Rocket) launcher near the bow of the ship. Not only were personnel kept away from noise and the pressure wave but the heat as well. We launched a few missiles in the late '80s to test guidance systems and every time a missile is launched we would have to follow up by repainting the entire front deck portion as the paint had been burned off of everything.
Hey Bronstein...from your sister ship USS Mc Cloy (FF1038). I wish to ask the Admiral if he ever did a tour on a destroyer ? If so I believe he would have noted that no one on the USS Greyhoud, seemed to be holding onto bulkheads or anything like a railing, as we were constantly shown the ship in rough seas, Which the North Atlantic was know for. From my experience from a minesweeper and a destroyer escort, you bang your head, foot, or any other part of your body in rough seas, you walk SLOW and more like a tripod til you get your sealegs. Even after you get your sealegs, when your bow goes way up and down as shown in the film like the Bronstein class were known for, you still grabbed something to stop banging into protruding objects.
I saw Greyhound and was excited to see it was based on the words of C.S. Forester, who wrote the Horatio Hornblower series, set during the Napoleonic War. Hornblower and Patrick O'Brien's Master and Commander are the best naval historical fiction works.
5:15 "Two thousand men, and fifty thousand tons of steel Set the course for the Atlantic with the battleship on their heel Firepower, firefight Battle Stations, keep the targets steady in sight"
One of the most authentic and appreciative reviews I have seen, I believe it's because his military bearing and seniority that he takes on all the scenes so well.. Good Job Team Insider Keep it up.👍
"It's not part of our tactical training in the Navy to fight either one of those two creatures." I KNEW IT! I WAS RIGHT! Jokes aside, getting an actual US Navy commander to rate and comment on this video is amazing! 😃
That was a great breakdown of each scene. 🤟The Admiral was even honest enough to admit he loved Battleship----one of the most infamously bad movies ever!💥💥
That seems to have it's own cult fan club. It's a classic no matter how improbable. You have to suspend belief in physics but so what! It's fun and that's the point.
I love it even though the anchor would rip off and everyone would become a fresh coat of paint with the force of that turn It is an actual thing though, keel-hauling
6:04 I have heard stories about warships firing all their guns in a single direction. Like the USS Wisconsin, the Wisconsin turns all her 9 16 inch mark 7 guns onto a nearby hill top and the hill isn't there anymore. But long story sadly not shorter, the resulting recoil from firing 9 Volkswagens at it sent the ship sliding back lol. This is honestly one of my favorite stories too because of the message sent from the USS Duncan "Temper, Temper" lol
I remember hearing that story. Yeah the "temper, temper" part was pretty funny. Was that WW2 against the Japanese? I can't remember. Or was it against a country that we didn't "actually" go to war with?
@brandonlinsey5625 no actually she was on shore patrol and off shore bombardment if needed. In Korea, the North Korean's thought they could sink her if they got a gun battery on top of a nearby hill. Well they did actually make it all up there and fired successfully. Only to scuff a turret stand and mark up the armor a little. Lol so the Wisconsin does exactly as I said before. She turned all 9 mark 7s on the hill and made baloney mist out of the crew and the hill was sadly removed from the landscape
The early war german torpedoes were actually steam powered, so they left a visible trail of bubbles on the surface. They introduced electric torpedoes that were not so easily spotted, mid war.
Thank you for your service, Admiral. I love all the movies on this list, but Greyhound gave me chills when I was watching it. I think it's one of Toms Hanks best roles. Despite having a 2 out of 10 I agree that Battleship is one of my favorite movies in this genre. Not because of its realism, but it's just so hooky that it's fun to watch.
Would be very interested in similar analysis for additional movies, but reflecting at least one older time period: Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World, In Which We Serve (British WW2 Destroyer), The Hunt for Red October, Das Boot, and an American WW2 submarine movie of your choosing; perhaps also the PT boats of ‘They Were Expendable’.
@@rozaimimuselimin4987 if you're going to critique a submarine movie for accuracy maybe best steer well clear of U-571. Crimson Tide would be a better choice
Greyhound was such a good movie. I took my son to spend the weekend on the Yorktown, and Greyhound was one of the movies they showed in theater. It was really cool to watch that on an actual carrier. An experience I will never forget.
Love the insights here! But I have to point out that the German torpedoes in Greyhound had such a visible wake due to them being steam driven. Not because their propellers were cavitating. The Germans had the electric g7e, but that was wakeless. And the 5 inch guns on the Fletcher class was a multi-purpose gun, not just an AA gun.
I agree with the torpedo wake. Regarding the AA guns, the admiral might be talking about the 40mm bofors also seen in the scene, it seems to me that the 5 inch guns were highlighted by the editor of the video.
The 5 inch guns used on destroyers and most other American warship in WW2 were dual purpose anti-shipping and anti- aircraft. Every gun on a WW2 era US destroyer was an AA gun. Just to put a caveat out there, there were some old 5 inch 51 cal. guns, mostly on old battleships but the navy went to great lenth to remove and replace though prior to and during WW2.
@@jakeg3733 Yes, if for no other reason than they have much much greater mass making it harder to ricochet. Aiming below the water line was a thing ships did do sometime in surface combat. In this scenario the 5 inch guns would almost definitely be load with anti-shipping rounds which would have a better chance at going under the water and doing meaningful damage.
The most realistic naval warfare film is "The Cruel Sea". My dad served on Corvettes during WW 2 and he always gave that film high marks. Especially the scene where the men are in the water and fighting to survive.
I've met and interviewed him a few times during my career in the Navy. He was, and still seems like, a very professional and collected person. Pretty awesome to see him giving these movies/shows great critiques while providing insight
Seriously jealous!! I had orders to her out of A School, just before Desert Storm but...they got changed last minute. Itd of been great, as my fathers first ship was a BB also, although he was aboard her only a short time before she was sunk at Pearl Harbor...(USS California) Id already been on her as a kid in Bremerton just before her reactivation, and had told my sister rhat someday Id be on a ship "just like this"- never dreaming that itd be "that one, exactly"!!! Still think of her as mine...😁
One of the most interesting episodes ever. The Admiral has top-rank knowledge and is very clear in his explanations. Plus, remains very professional even when commenting on Kong Vs. Aircraft Carrier. Kudos!
Wonderfully informative video. I was in the U.S. Navy for five years active duty and seven more in active reserve. It’s always a pet peeve of mine to watch a film depicting naval activities occurring in movies that are completely unrealistic when much of it so easily could have been fixed and not necessarily have impacted the story line, in fact only positively added to the film’s realism. I’ve seen several interviews over the years of actual expert military/historical technical consultants who were hired by film companies and said although they were treated very well and everyone concerned would listen intently to their advice, they were completely disregarded as to that input concerning what was accurate and was nonsense. Basically the film’s decision-makers would listen, nod, smile and thank them for the advice and totally ignore it.
Omg I love these series where a "professional" rates movies of that genre! Well, I guess entertainment is entertainment, but they sure know how to make them good!
Omg I love when people don't understand how to use quotation marks and just use them randomly. The man is a Retired US Navy Admiral. He knows what he's talking about. He was a legitimate professional. No quotation marks. The amount of disrespect you're showing by trying to detract from his legitimacy by using quotations around the word professional is apalling. The man served his county, put his life at risk doing his job; his profession. Who are you and how dare you delegitimize him or the sacrifices he made.
@@poppinov8797 Get off your high horse. For all we know, English may not be the commenter's first language, and their sentiment may be genuine. Without doubt this man served his country and did so honourably. Who are you to think a petty mistake like this could ever detract from that? Anybody sensible can immediately observe that the Admiral knows precisely what he is talking about, at which your comment ends up being overly offended grammar policing. Perhaps it would have a more profound effect on the original commenter if you tried to be more analytical and elss emotional with your reasoning, but this way you acquit yourself rather poorly.
Unfortunately for that one they got a profetional navy politician. Huge geographic mistakes, total lack of any basic ship physics ... nope nice jacket but for me that's 2/10
@@nadstengco2591 that's exactly the problem here, you care about what i am to know if what i say is true or not, you should be looking at what the people says and if or not that match reality. The title/costume/... have 0 things to do with the meaningfulness of a speech. That is called authority arguent and have been debunked at least since antic Greece.
I was an ordinance mechanic on an old Gearing class destroyer. I was assigned to a forward mount #2 5”38 gun mount. Firing on King Kong with all the water washing around the ship would make it very difficult to make a direct hit. Fire control would have a difficult time figuring out what was going on. Probably putting it in hand would work better but the projectiles would only piss him off more!
@@crosshairs19 Im going to belive physics, 9:50000(9 tons : 45000 to 56500 tons) is the projectile vs ship weight ratio. a 150 pound person firing an m2 ball 30-06(2500fps for the 16 inch, 2400fps for the 30-06 so close enough) is a 9:63,000 ratio to keep one side the same. So a person firing a 30-06 experiences less recoil than a iowa firing a full salvo and it has much better stability and recoil compensating systems than a rifle does. What is see as the ship moving is in fact the shockwave from the guns seen on the water. The lack of refrence doesnt help.
@@crosshairs19 just because s/one is an admiral might not mean they are right 100% of the time. I heard Marines say that the M16 was made by Mattel, but that's also a myth.
the fact that he can discuss king kong with a straight face is amazing "its not part of our tactical training in the navy to fight either one of those two creatures"
One scene in Battleship where they took considerable dramatic license was how the crew was able to take a mothballed ship and make it combat ready in a matter of hours.
2:45 The film Under Siege seemed realistic, because I was in the army. The tension between Ryback and Commander Crill with Captain Adams always sheltering Ryback seemed realistic. There were lots of scenes that looked authentic. It seemed like they got actual officers as well as actual sailors instead of actors for the film. For instance when Stranix asked, "You are the highest ranking pfficer in this room" and Commander Green says, "That's right, Operations Officer, 3rd in Command." The man who played Green did it in such a ways that it seemed not as acting but the real thing.
The most realistic naval film I have ever seen is the superb The Cruel Sea, based on the novel by Nicholas Montserrat. Many of the cast had actually served in the Battle of the Atlantic and they used actual Flower class corvettes. Master and Commander, The Far Side of the,World is also pretty accurate. U571, whilst mildly entertaining, was a shocking disservice to the courage of the men of the Royal Navy who recovered Enigma machines from disabled U Boats.
I remember the outrage in Britain when U571 came out. Tony Blair mentioned it in parliament at the time. I'm still slightly annoyed about it, tbh. At least Saving Private Ryan was a good film when it claimed the American's won the war single handedly.
@@arizonaranger6024 I remember that also being a thing in Britain at the time as well. Basically the only troops you ever see during the D-Day invasion are American. There are no British, Canadian or other Allied troops anywhere to be seen. It was explained away as being because it was about a specifically American only beach landing (Omaha, I think?). But I watched that film at the cinema with my Grandpa who had fought in the war and he said "That's odd. I distinctly remember us being in that war". Some people, I guess younger people, who might not be familiar with history, could be mistaken for thinking that WW2 was America vs. Germany. I think to this day WW2 was 1941-1945 in American history books, whereas in Europe it's 1939-1945 (starting with the invasion of Poland). Some historians have argued it started with the Japanese invasion of Manchuria (1933? I think)..I've also read some historians who argue that the world war was 1914-1945
@@rbarnett3200 I frankly agree with that, movies about other allied forces, polish forces, partisans of all kinds etc are highly underrated and to be fair Americans are highly highly under educated for the most part since our education system is more toxic than a trailer park relationship. Not to mention those who claim to know anything about history get it from media and video games. I very much agree with the representation and inclusion of other fronts and armies during the war just frankly with the low funding public schools is made difficult. I for one find the days before american involvement in the war far more interesting because it is full of last stands and heroic acts (not saying those didn’t happen post 1941 just saying there was a lot more when the Allies were on their back foot) especially in regards to the French, polish, and Yugoslavs who tend to take a back seat to the war and are often just depicted as getting steam rolled. I do agree that there needs to be far more depiction of other forces in media and not just books, there are plenty of great books depicting it but the average American doesn’t read books lol
Yup...and they were causing havoc! Our glitchy early MK 14's were bouncing off hulls and the "Combined Fleet" was getting their asses handed to them... desperate days, then.
The vast majority of torpedoes from that time period were fuel powered (the Long Lance just being the only one to use pure oxygen), and in fact it was their exhaust, not cavitation, that produced the visible trail. However the Germans did use an electric torpedo in addition to gas powered ones. It was virtually wakeless because it had no exhaust and was thus much harder to detect.
@@Klyis Also a single U boat *could* have launched both those torpedoes. Germans had some pretty interesting torpedo guidance systems and by 1942 it was entirely possible to set torpedoes to change direction more than once after launching, however I would not expect such good accuracy in that case.
@@satannstuff The US Navy had one of the most reliable TDCs (Target Data Computer). It could calculate the future position of a ship while it took a "zig-zag" course, as our sub was moving. After we (US) "fixed" our torpedoes (running depth and BOTH fuses), commanders would use the aft torpedoes as accurately as the fwd ones.
@@haroldhenderson2824 That requires predicting what the target is going to do, such predictions are pretty much never guaranteed. Subs also mostly launched torpedoes at merchant shipping, not the much faster and more agile escort ships. You would not get a hit on one of those if your prediction is even slightly off. USN subs didn't really have to worry about escorts in any case, because IJN was completely inept at anti submarine warfare.
Having been stationed on the USS Iowa BB-61 and being a Gunnersmate in Turret One, and having fired numerous 16" projectiles, this admiral is full of it when he says the ship moves several yards off course when the guns are fired. The ship does not move sideways in the water.
There were so many of these where I just had to shake my head. The aforementioned "Iowa Moving", Calling the Bofors 40mm from greyhound a .50cal. Saying that WWII torpedoes were electrically driven, there were some granted, but the vast majority were internal combustion...
Agreed, that’s a sea story. You can compute the relative momenta (plural of momentum?) of the broadside and the ship, and compute how fast the ship will be moving sideways. Even though the mass of the broadside is twelve tons or so, and the velocity is about 2800 feet per second, if you multiply those, then divide by the battleship’s 60,000 ton mass, on a theoretical frictionless surface, the battleship would be moving sideways at just over half a foot per second.
@@FS2K4Pilot People fail to take into account the guns recoil system. Those guns recoil over six feet before being returned to battery. If the guns were physically able to move the ship sideways, the crew would be knocked off their feet and everything not secured for sea would go flying. It just don't happen.
@@gradystegall4911 That’s not entirely true. The recoil system still transmits the entirety of the recoil force to the ship (minus incidental losses to heat, sound, friction, etc.), but the balance of that force must still be transmitted to the ship, or else the gun would fly backwards and smash its way out of the turret. The recoil system spreads the impulse out over several seconds, rather than the instant it spends propelling the projectile. And after I posted, I began to wonder if the blast wave from the guns hitting the water beside the ship could raise the water pressure on that side of the ship to cause it to move.
@@FS2K4Pilot the blast wave is directed out along the barrel. All that air that was displaced will be filled by the the surrounding air. It’s basically sucked around the ship causing it to look like the shifted sideways when in fact it hasn’t moved at all. If you look at the wake it doesn’t slide sideways like it would if the ship had actually been moved. All respect to the Admiral, but he had not served on a Battleship.
Good on the Admiral for responding to Godzilla v Kong with tongue in cheek! 😄 Though, I would disagree that the deck of the carrier could withstand 50kt jumping on it, I think Kong would be in the carrier up to hist knees. 🤭 Bonus props for looking up what this version of Kong might weight!
I was going to make the same reply. While the carrier 'might' be able to handle an additional load of 50kt added to its deck, I don't think that half the weight of the carrier impacting in a surface area equal to both of Kong's feet is something that the deck could take. I'd say it would likely crack the ship to the keel.
@Ganiscol same thoughts. I wouldn't bet on that carrier to hold out against King Kong's weight. Having that much step on a small area of the deck would at the very least crack it, worse sink the whole ship.
@N Fels excellent and correct info, I've loved WW2 carriers since a kid, love em lol. There's also Hornet...Lexington...Wasp...poor Yorktown...Sangamon...St Lo...Ommany Bay..Princeton... Bismarck Sea...Essex...Intrepid...Bunker Hill...damn, even more. Although not all kamikaze looses, the huge scale of the naval/aircraft battles, the loss of life and ships...younger people have no idea how intense it was. An ex-gf's dad was aboard the Bunker Hill when she was hit...I will never forget the thousand-yard-stare haunted look in his eyes when he told the story...he lost a lot of friends. I hate that the USN is now naming every damn tub after political hacks...esp carriers. I think the WW2 naming nomenclature is best- carriers/LHA's after battles, cruisers after cities, DD(g)'s after military staff, attack subs after fish/marine life. Boomers having State names makes sense, since there's no more BB's anymore. 🇻🇮🇺🇸⚓
Rofl, I'd like to point out that he served in the navy for almost 40 years, and he has no Combat action ribbon (CAR) and his one and only Navy and Marine corps achievement medal has no "V" . Lol how is he the "subject matter expert " to rate battle scenes in movies? 🤦♂️he was a POG his entire career. 😂😂.
11:17 He made a minor (albeit I'm nitpicking here) error there. The Fletcher-class had dual-purpose main guns (meaning they are intended to be used both for firing as they do in the movie *and* anti-aircraft duties). The B-turret (2nd counting from the bow) is actually mounted on the superstructure of the ship (just like the C and D turret)
I wonder if that is just a screw up from the editing side... that his actual talking bit there is about the BOFORs (which are also in the scene0, not the 5 inch main guns the arrows point to. Though the big hit on the submarine is obviously from the main battery.
@@FinlayDaG33k I thought the the same thing you did. But as I re-watched it i noticed that they also showed the 40MM BOFORs while he was talking about .50 cals. I think the editor just was using random gun footage and either didn't know or didn't care about what the Adm was saying.
It is fact that anti-aircraft cannons can be reliable against other targets. The biggest example of that being the infamous Flak 88 from the second world war. In case of a real brown alert it is possible to repurpose the aa-capability for other targets. Therefore the comment from the admiral stands.
Superb. Love how all Admirals seem to have an understated way of putting things. Bit disappointed he didn't say "There's something wrong with our bloody clips today", but you can't have everything.
Love his "take it as it comes" attitude - he's not overly critical nor contemptuous of any silly goofs or unrealistic scenarios, but merely reserves judgment until he gives his final score haha
Sir, I was on Battleship New Jersey (BB-62) 82-86 as an MM3 and USS Truxtun (CGN-35) as FC2-1138 and FC1-1138. Your reviews of those movies were spot on Sir! Bravo Zulu. I would like to say that we not only feared flooding but fire as well. Thanks for your Service, reviews and I wish you Fair Winds and Following Seas.
so you should know that a broadside doesn't move the ship "several yards". the math has been done, even on ice a full broadside would only move the battleship a few centimeters.
@@ymemag9861 New Jersey couldn't do a full broadside because of a problem with turret 2. That being said on Feb 8, 1984 we fired 16 inch rounds in anger and believe me when I tell you that the ship moves as a result of man battery gunfire support.
@@mcintoshdev Do you know anything about old sailing ships? Like Galleons and other sailing vessels from the 1700s, I wonder if they teach about them in the marine
@@LnmHive that's a great question. In boot camp we learned some of the history of the US Navy, all the way back to John Paul Jones, who was the first US Naval Commander during the Revolutionary War. We also had to learn how to tie a myriad of knots that are common to sailing but nothing specifically about the magnificent Frigates, Stoops, Man of Wars, Ships of the Line, Schooners, Cutters or Brigantinea of the Continental Navy. I took it upon myself to study US Navy history and it really is a fascinating story. Did you know that more than half of the Continental Navy was destroyed, seized or captured by the British Navy? Conscription of Continental Navy sailors was a regular occurrence by the British Navy even after the war ended and led to the War of 1812! Anyways, great question!
"We are not technically trained to fight these kinds of creatures." Best line of the whole video 😆
That means we are Doomed !
What does he mean by "technically"?
@@TheOvermindStarcraft Armed forces trainings do not cover things like giant monkey or fire breathing Lizards or any other sort of mostrous creature. There's no specific protocol or training to react to these. For other cases like nuclear fallout, hostage situations etc, they have a set of protocols, they're trained and know what they should do. That's what Techinically means here. If they see something of Godzilla sort, they'll follow their best judgement to fight off. That's a non technical way of fighting.
@@harishankarkandankumarath9922 Oh it's ok, i'm trained to take down massive monkeys and godzillas, i just climb them, load them with C4's, jump off with a paraglider and blow them up. Works every time!
@@harishankarkandankumarath9922 Americans can fight alien invasions and demon army's.
"I had four of these destroyers at my disposal". What a boss flex.
How to Boss flex and looks cool 😎
And to think...Nimitz and Halsey had **hundreds** of destroyers and cruisers in play. IJN had a huge number also...at first.
@@udsmall7306 Both Nimitz and Halsey had higher command, pay grade, and thus authority as Fleet Admirals, than Admiral Foggo did as just a full Admiral. Fleet Admiral (FADM) is a special rank that only gets used during times of extreme conflict, and only 4 have ever held the position in the US Navy.
ADM Foggo is also referring to the time when he was Commander, US 6th Fleet (C6F), as a Vice Admiral (VADM), which was the last time he held operational command over naval assets. His tenure spent as an ADM in the position of Commander, US Naval Forces Europe-Africa (CNE-CNA) is what we call administrative control (ADCON) rather than operational control (OPCON). He would have technically been in charge, but it would in the context of directing his operational commanders (C6F, etc) to carry out missions, which they would (and still do) personally, aboard their flagship. In the case of 6F, this is USS Mount Whitney.
And not once did he send them for takeout.🤔
@@TheChivalricKnight interesting, great info thx! 👍💪🇻🇮🇺🇸⚓
A navy admiral rating warship battles. You cant get any better than that. Great video.
Ex us president rating us President depictions, or something. But yeah, not much that would beat this..
Satan rates satanic horror movies🤘
Until you hear him say that a battleship moves sideways several yards while firing. I really hope he was talking about the rocking of the ship and the effects of this, not literal lateral movement. Even people who served on battleships will claim this.... does not make them right though.
@@whyjnot420 Because that's what it FEELS like.
Plus it makes for a better sea story.
@@peka2478 lol looking forward to that day
I appreciate how this guy understands entertainment value without being condescending. He loves a lot of the movies with poor accuracy because they're fun, and he doesn't let the inaccuracy ruin his enjoyment.
Its because HES inaccurate. The battleship DOES NOT move to the side when the main guns are fired
@@erichvonmanstein6876 sure WW2 nerd
@@jasonaldana1470 is that a serious statement? You do understand the guns have been fired All the way into the 1990's right? You do know it's common knowledge the ship doesn't move right? You can't be that phuking stupid, you just can't be..........or can you🤨
@@erichvonmanstein6876 I’m sure a Navy Admiral would know what he’s talking about 😉
@@travishutt450 well obviously he doesnt kid. maybe instead of just "being sure" why dont you research it. That little thing you got in your hand (no the other little thing ha!) Has the collective knowledge of mankind all neatly stored and easily accessed.
I'll be here for your apology when you find out you and "the Admiral" are wrong😂😅😆😄🤭👉
Admiral James Gordon "Jamie" Foggo III-real deal this guy. Just retired-must be bored, so I’m glad he decided to spend some of his retirement entertaining us. Fair winds and following seas Admiral.
He’s the Senate maritime warfare dean, he’s nit retired.
He was my CO on a boat I served on.
@@jasonator69er He's retired from Naval service. He doesn't HAVE to work anymore, but chooses to by passing on what he's learned in his field(s) of expertise, which he's chosen to do.
But he's definitely retired. Man deserves it, after 41 long years in the Navy.
Yeah, but where is his ditch? He's got to have a ditch!
@@DoctorX101 you win. LOL
Wow, these guys got a retired Admiral to come on? I've only seen 3 in my Navy career but I'd never expect them doing this. This is satisfying.
Insider, man. If Jesus was here I bet they'd get him to review a movie about christianity
Admiral Foggo aims to please.
@@flexdesigns4700 but jesus didn't create christianity. followers did.
No, it is harder to see a General...
Why? Because the seamen whenever they shout "General Quarters" they run around the ship looking for a general to stuff into the quarters somewhere.
If they had said "Admiral Quarters" it would have been different.
@@CMDRSweeper To be fair, Generals are generally hard to find in the Navy.
If your last name was Quarters and you wanted to pursue a military career, the Navy would be right up your strait. Although it would open you up to ridicule every time Seamen misbehave and are confined to quarters.
I don't know how you guys manage to find Navy admirals who are willing to sit and give commentary on King Kong versus carriers, but your ability to find such high-quality commentators never fails to impress me. 😆
The majority of their commentators probably have either children or grandchildren and doing something like this makes them look 'cooler' but you can see that despite the many inaccuracies its entertaining for them.
This ! I was just thinking the same thing, was wondering if someone said it, and you did haha they really do have a knack for picking top interviewees
@@tashadent150
It could be about being cool... But I imagine people like this that have such niche in-depth knowledge are likely over joyed to share their passion with an engaging auidience
It is well hidden comercial for the navy. That is why you get so good ppl for it.
He probably waited for this day lol
"Battleship happens to be one of my favorite movies." -- I didn't see that one coming. It's indeed an entertaining movie if you allow it to be.
It’s one of my favorite popcorn movies to rewatch
It's the scene where thunderstruck gets played when it completely begins
It's one of those things that you need to turn off your brains to just... Enjoy the action.
Its one of those movies you just need to shut the logical part of your brain off and have fun. You have a ww2 battleships ripping apart an alien spacecraft while AC/DC blares, it is not supposed to be any type of realistic. If you want realism go watch Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World.
🤣 You know it's got to be one of his popcorn feel good movies 🤣 Especially with the Mighty Mo getting such a awesome scene!
I love how he likes these movies, usually the experts seem to talk about how they can't stand them
To be fair, it's hard not to hate movies depicting your field of expertise.
Hollywood invariably fucks most or all the details up, when it would cost a pittance to hire a qualified consultant.
It can be legitimately infuriating.
@@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid well duh genius. If you actually made things real life a movie would be horrendously boring and mundane. Ever see a real car wreck? Yea. It doesn’t catch fire and blow up. Just sits there. Artillery shells whistle before hitting. Nope. Not a peep. I can keep going but you somewhat get the picture ?
Same thing like in the military; you see in movies that they train in the range looking all cool, so you joined thinking you'd get to do that all day,
when in reality, you have to apparently wait a few hours before getting a rifle, pop off a few rounds for a few minutes, stop, then wait another few hours for debriefing.
@N Fels I forget what the actual name is, but there is a term to describe how people will accept the word of someone on a topic they do not know about, but will pick apart every last thing that is wrong when the topic is something they know.
It is normally applied to non-fiction things, but I think it really applies to stuff like movies and whatnot as well. Where there is still a tendency to accept events as depicted when you do not know about them, common example being defibrillator use in movies.
Two examples that always gets me are when I see a pure sailing ship, moving along, with its sails totally slack or when I see the recoil of a cannon and know it is at something like 1/4 of the proper charge.
For any of that, it takes willing suspension of disbelief at a proper conscious level to get past it without them ruining your mood. "ok, they did that... moving on...." more or less.
btw, I personally know the brother of someone who was tied up along with his mother and shot and killed with his mother right there. And they were left that way. The mother was not harmed (physically) but was left tied up with the corpse of her son. From what I heard, apparently this guy had screwed over some drug dealers. Happened 7-8 years ago give or take. His brother and I used to live in the same apartment building and we had a couple of mutual friends. Just one anecdote, but sometimes it does happen..... it does make you wonder how much of the way that murder played out, was based on what the murderers saw on tv and in movies though.
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@@justanotherrandomdude8472 on the contrary, if they made an effort to make these things more realistic a movie would be much more entertaining. ;-)
Whoever organizes these people must have an amazing contact list. A few army guys. A survival specialist. A former CIA director. An expert for medieval warfare. And many other people.
Yeah, to bad he watch his contact list at "navy politician" page instead of "sailor" this time.
@@lolaa2200 bingo
@Gluck Gluck 5000 When i say "sailor" i'm not talking just about the US NAVY grade, i'm talking about someone who actually sail and thus who have real knowledge about sea, ships and all that sort of stuffs. That guy no matter how shiny his cap is simply lack those knowledge on the subject that matter here.
I hope they will hire serial killers to rate serial killer movies
@@lolaa2200 In order to become an admiral you have to know those lol
Hollywood paints a dark picture but the admiral's confidence that our navy can counter any kaiju threat is comforting. This was an enjoyable video.
in a realistic world an animal cant be out of metal, like a ship, and be of a size like a war ship....or tanker.
so a kaiju would maybe be the top of the animal kingdom, BUT they tend to SUCK against actual tools... strong skin would simply be ineffective from a shell, that can crack inches of metal with one explosion.
but kaiju are not actual realistic to begin with them.
Tbh, the "issue" in movies is that ships and aircraft are just way too close to the combat imo. An F-35 can comfortably pop shots at a Godzilla from dozens of kms away, yet it flies within like 50metres of the monster, enabling em to get killed.
If the JSDF (an armed force of smaller size) can fight kaijus, then the US Navy has an even better chance of fighting, I guess.
@@apollomars1678 I think you underestimate nature. even though this is speculative, dinosaurs like ankylosaurs and triceratops basically had bone armor. if it''s thick enough, it can take some damage. and it wont induce pain usually
It's because we've already fought them, there's been multiple incidents where our Navy worked alongside China and Russia to stop Seabeasts.
He won all the points by admitting that "Battleship" is one of his favorite movies.
That is such a terrible movie 😆
But the firing of Missouri's guns in her first salvo is always awesome
@@Vaas109 subtract the bookends about the burrito and it's a solid, funny movie. I love when the old vets get the boat ready for war as AC/DC blares on the soundtrack. It's silly, and everybody involved knew it was silly, and you can imagine them laughing in the editing room as they stitched that scene together.
@@monkeySkeptic a ship drift + AC/DC + Giant alien ship + FIRE EVERYTHING, that is all i need here
Naah..dropping anchor like that would snap either the ship or the chain itself. 3/10
He retired just a year ago, and he commanded the sixth fleet.
How crazy is that! An actual naval admiral with tons of experience rating movies!
Very admirable of him to share his experience.
Having served in the US Navy 6th fleet from 1979 - 1991 myself, The Admiral gave a pretty good rating and was totally honest about it. I'm impressed.
@@Md2802 that was an admirable pun
@@Md2802 I sea what you did there.
It's no different than a surgeon rating a medical show. Also he's retired and has time to burn.
Love the fact that he says battleship is one of his favorite movies but still gives it a 1. Means that he is humble enough to stay objective.
His comment about a ship moving sideways "several yards" when firing made me cringe. This isn't even remotely accurately - not even close. A battleship would move sideways a fraction of a millimeter, not "several yards" - this is just basic physics, conservation of momentum.
There's a great mathematical analysis over at navweaps titled "Do Battleships move sideways when they fire?" - they take the mass of the broadside shells multiplied by the shell velocity assuming a 0 degree angle (fired straight at the horizon - an angle the guns would never actually be fired at, but maximizes the force applied to the ship) and compare that to the mass of the ship to determine the velocity added to the ship.
The answer is 0.46 feet per second assuming NO resistance to the ship at all (IE. the ship is balancing on ice, not in the water). The total sideways motion of a 58,000 ton battleship firing it's broadsides straight at the horizon (minimum distance possible) would move that battleship across ice only 6 inches per second. The moment you add water resisting the motion of the battleship, that velocity goes to 0.
A 16 inch Mark 8 APC shell is 2700 pounds, and a US battleship can only fire 9 of them at a time, so you only have 24,300 pounds to move a 58,000 TON ship. It's just conservation of momentum, the ship weighs 5000x the weight of the ENTIRE broadside.
@@ialsoagree that is so cringe.
@@ialsoagree Is it me or there's something missing here?
23000lbs is just the ejected mass; where's is the detonation being taken into account?
Plus, he was talking about the scene, and in the scene it was not a single salvo, but a close series of salvos; that makes all the difference in the world if I remember my mechanical physics classes correctly.
@@GinoMEGuain "where's is the detonation being taken into account"
Are you talking about the "detonation" of the powder that launches the shell? It's being taken into account by the force formula:
Force = mass * acceleration
The mass is 1/5000 that of the ship, so the acceleration will be 1/5000 as well.
The acceleration of a Mark 8 APC round from a 16" gun is 2500' per second. So the acceleration on the battleship would it get it to 0.5' per second, not accounting for any water displacement (which would get it so close to 0 we could probably not measure it). For perspective, when you walk on the side walk, you're walking at about 5' per second - or with about 10x more speed than would be added to the battleship.
"that makes all the difference in the world if I remember my mechanical physics classes correctly."
It makes 0 difference.
It takes about 30 seconds to reload a 16" gun. The near-0 velocity added will be at 0 within 1 second of firing the gun. You can fire as many times as you want, there's 29+ seconds where all the acceleration added from the previous salvo was completely negated by water before you get another salvo off.
@@ialsoagree I did better than this and red your source.
It seems legit and, even if it wasn't, I have not the instruments to debate its conclusions.👍
Having an actual admiral give a commentary on these movies was a fun idea.
He probably watches movies like these after work
“My money is one the carrier withstanding 50,000 tons landing on it”.
Admiral got jokes too!
@@dynamo1796 I bet he wishes that he had the opportunity to take them on
I like how he actually addresses the giant monsters and the aliens seriously rather then just dismissing them as fantasy.
He looked up how much Godzilla weights. That's a pro.
@@pablom-f8762 King Kong
Ready for everything
There isn't much room to question the impossible in battle.
A truly great leader takes into account even the improbable or "impossible" and is willing to use outside sources or "On the Ground/ Up-Front" intel, even if it isn't his own. His greatest job, in such a scenario isn't to merely slay the Kaiju. It isn't even to fight them.
The objective is to develop a plan of action, with the officers under him, and to keep as many Navy personnel and Navy assets operational as he and those under him can.
To find out what he can do, to get and relay orders, to provide leadership and, when the chance of victory is greatest, only then commit the lives and materials under his command to action.
(Admittedly, I'm not a sailor, and certainly not an officer. I've never served as a merchant seaman, etc. I'm an amateur. A mortal guessing at what a Titan might do.
Still don't think that he'd underestimate something that's nearly as heavy as a carrier and engaged in a grudge match with a lizard the size of a danged building.
"Battleship happens to be one of my favorite movies" - Admiral Foggo
Ah yes, a man of culture :)
A man of honesty at least
chicken burrito. ⚡🌯😂😉
@@udsmall7306 Chicken burrito copy that! 🤣
@@AutoBrawn You want to marry the daughter of Liam Neeson. I hope you won't get a nightmare from him.
Nothing like watching it when you're at summer campu!
This was my first submarine captain. He's a fantastic leader. Couldn't be happier that he made Admiral. They should bring him back to rate submarine movies.
@Ian Turner Run Silent, Run Deep. The Enemy Below.
Crimson Tide & U-571.
Hunter Killer
Down Periscope gets 9/10, we don't need a review on that one.
He definitely needs to do Crimson Tide and Red October if they bring him back!! Seems like a cool guy.
I'd say the most unrealistic part of the "Battleship" movie was that they took a WW2 era battleship from museum status to fully operational in a matter of hours. Oh, and they did it with only a few old vets.
Exactly. Just what I always thought. It was a museum ship !
A ship that was crewed by 1800 men no less. A handful of old farts get it up to alien battle status in hours. 🤣
That and Rihanna had like 3 different MOS'.
That's the elephant in the room. Impossible. But it was so fun to suspend disbelief and watch them do it! That's why it's one of the admiral's favorite movies. That is what we WANT it to be able to do with exactly those few men and Rihanna!
@@julieenslow5915 Yeah, it was pretty cool to see an Iowa class back in action. Though to make it slightly more believable they could've gotten a bunch of the vets from the 80's era Iowa class refit.
I’m a Navy photographer and I was on USS Ross in June 2021 when it was ported in Odesa, Ukraine, and when we heard that it was reported by the Russians that we were off the coast of Crimea, I was put in a helicopter and made to take pictures of Ross to prove that we were where we said we were to fight that misinformation. Crazy to see it mentioned here!
Badass man
"we were where we said we were" thats a sentence ive never heard before, my brain died trying to read that
@@User-lu5rz sorry, that’s a bit of American southern bleeding in there
buddy we need those ships and other stuff on odessa now
@@vishrutkrishna8469 Boy, do I know it, pal. My heart is crying out for you guys there. I’ve kept in contact with the great people I met there. 2 friends in Kyiv, one in Kharkiv who fled to Dniepr, and 3 buddies in Odesa now. One was a bouncer at молодость, now he’s a soldier. I’m not a policy maker for my government, but if I had the reins, we’d be there by now. For now, y’all are all I worry about, I send what money I can, and I can personally attest that more body armor and medical supplies are heading your way. Just loaded it up on pallets for a plane ride. Слава Україні!
It's very good to hear that the Navy now takes hearing protection seriously. In Vietnam on our destroyer, the #2 gun mount often fired back past the bridge where we stood watch. Those were 5" .38 caliber cannon, we were effectively IN the muzzle blast when they fired, and we had zero protection, not even a warning that the gun was about to fire. My ears ring as I write this, yet when I tried to get hearing help in the 1980s the audiologist blew me off, saying "You probably just went to too many rock and roll concerts." Dismissive, insulting and wrong. So I'm glad somebody finally decided that destroying Naval personnels' hearing was a bad idea.
Haha yeah you got to remember its an admiral saying that tho😂. While yes general safety is definitely better than it was in Vietnam, it doesnt mean you dont get exposed to loud noises. Cooling skids, engineering, 400hz, and the 5inch are very loud and sometimes you dont got ear pro on😂
In 2015 at the VA Hospital I was ask if I wanted to take a hearing test?, I said you mean for the 7 time ? The audiologist said seven times, I said correct, 3 times when I taken breaks on Active duty to go Reserve status, that needed a wavers to git back on Active duty, I stated, I have it all in my medical jacket but that got lost.. but fortunately for me.. those Vietnam veterans NCO s beat it into us.. you will make a double copy of everything you do in the military and keep it,, send it home to your mom or dad or dog but you have it sent home, secured and you keep it... Because guaranteed your medical jacket will turn up missing. The audiologist asked me how long was I in and I said I was tight in the military 17 years 4 months 3 days.. Active, National Guard, Army Reserve then rift R.I.f 01 01 94 she ask me what my MOS was I told her the first one was 16 echo 20 Hawk Fire Control crew chief. Then on and on about my career in the Army.
She then asked me from her experience a lot of veterans come in there and they said they were weren't issued ear plugs... And they were suffering from tendonitis... I told her that every unit that I was with especially in ADA & Arty that was an article 15 if you did not have that clear case and Orange earplugs in them every morning during formation inspection. Those things were defective they still helped out a little bit. They were horrible nuisance to wear especially if you were wearing a headset! forget it if you went down to supply and ask for three sets of them in one year!! So most of the guys would take and feild dress a cigarette butt run the cigarette filter in their mouth get it wet, then shove it inside their ears... That's what us NCO called Field expedient method of hearing protection. She then said that these soldiers are telling the truth I said absolutely they are! they just forgot about how hard it was to get hearing protection...but ask the next one that comes in if he has field strip cigarette butts implace them inside his ear, for protection. soon received my 10% for my hearing loss, and I met many soldiers at the VA hospitals as they finally got their 10% disability for their hearing loss.
I was on a 3"50 cal gun mount withthe most primitive hearing protection known by the Navy. I felt like I was underwater and it's come back to haunt me. Blew out my hearing but brushed it off. Around 73 on the USS TRIPOLI LPH 10. It was cool unfortunately I wasn't.
just think of all the tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of WW1 and WW2 gunners , not even allowed to think of ear protection.
@@daleslover2771 wow. It's nice to hear pros get compensation for their loss in service
Really love how this guy takes the goofiness and fiction if Hollywood movies in stride and doesn't get mad or overly analytic when he says something probably won't work
I think that's true about any senior commander in the military. They had to do a full, technical breakdown of a Naruto run (several pages of the pros and cons, with examples for the troops who would be guarding the place) when the Area 51 raid was planned.
Procedure for meeting extraterrestrial life exists (and includes quarantine, to make sure the alien isn't carrying a bad disease that's contagious), too.
It's not like they necessarily want to plan for ridiculous things, but that they have to at least consider any possibility because if they don't and it happens, there's no one else to guard the people.
It's ironic, extremely so, that the most serious organizations in the world have to take account of the ludicrous to the degree of looking ridiculous in order to be serious about any potential threat.
@@sleepyancient6655 Speaking of procedures for meeting extraterrestrial life, check out the short-lived TV series Threshold.
He said Battleship was one of his favorite movies. A man after my own heart, I still defend that movie today!
@@fakecubed exactly as there was too many pilets getting triggered about top gun
Still, if an Admiral gives you a 2/10, you better try harder...
I’ve been watching these ratings for a while now, mostly from snipers, operators, pilots… But listening to an Admiral of 40 year’s service is a huge cut above the rest. Everything from his demeanor, tenor, intelligence, down to the cadence of his voice is an honor to listen to. This is an absolute professional.
Well, right up till he was saying the battleship would "move" due to recoil. That's largely believing certain forms of hype. I've been reading up on the US BB line, and some of the commanders who controlled them. They had long enough breeches and enough room in the turret that they didn't move an inch when firing the big guns. Even if fired simultaneously.
That's from the technical documentation and many of the ww2 admirals who had to find accuracy with those guns.
I think the most impressive part was even though he knows the ship's displacement, he still did at the very least a quick Google search on Kong to see if his weight would potentially cause damage to the carrier instead of just assuming and basing it off that to give a more realistic idea of what to expect in that scenario
I'd be expecting the shock of impact to push the ship downwards a bit more, with the hull throwing a bunch of water sideways. Now, like him, I could see the deck not snapping in half. HOWEVER, it'd be useless as a runway after having 50kt smashing into it. The armour may survive, but the asphalt won't.
One thing to consider is Kong's strength beyond his weight. Crocodiles for example have a bite force of 3700 pounds psi but only measure in at 2600 pounds, and that's being generous. Kong with his massive muscles, semi-magical nature, and shear weight being influenced by gravity all together would at the very least heavily damage the aircraft carrier. He could likely disable by flattening the deck, ripping out the bridge, then pulling with his weight to the side and flipping it or puncturing it with a few punches.
the thing is that the 50k tons kong displaces concentrate around a relatively small area (the place he is standing on) which is means that the force applied per square metre can puncture the armor even if the carrier could techniqually support the weight if distributed along the ship
@@aulendilthegreat873 Yeah and that makes perfect sense but I guess we'll never truly know
@@aulendilthegreat873 Either way, it would void the warranty.
This guy really gets what the interview is about: the meeting point between hard reality and entertainment.
He has a great sense of humor. He was my CO for two years.
agreed,
High level military leaders have an some incredibly difficult problems to solve in terms of logical, social, ethical and emotional reasoning and have the even harder task of combining those different philosophies into strategic reasoning to make quick, actionable decisions. The best of them are some of the wisest people on the planet in my opinion.
High speed death chess on this level is the most difficult competition between any humans.
I don't care how fake it is, I absolutely love that scene from Battleship. Thousands of tons of artillery fire mixed with AC-DC, how can you go wrong?
Giant Bugs and explosions!
I have very mixed feelings about it. As former navy there is so much wrong that triggers me, but as a basic action movie those scenes are awesome.
Drifting a battleship.
Sure, why not?
"Let's put some lead in this motherf-"
"FIRE!!"
ACDC is garbage
Because it was never confirmed, the USS Ward was never given official credit for having sunk the submarine. Then in the late 90's, or early 2000's, a naval archeologist using the USS Ward's logbook, found the submarine. And, in the center of the conning tower, was a 3" hole, from the 3" deck gun of the USS Ward.
it hit right in the worst spot: just above where the tower and body meet meaning it slammed through some of the toughest metal and likely killed the crew immediately from the penetration
Men of the Minnesota Naval Reserve fired that shot. The #3 gun was removed in 1943 when Ward was refitted, and now sits outside the State Capital Building. I'm proud to be from the state that fired the first shot of WWII for the US.
I was a FireControlman in the Navy for 20 years. This is a very informative video and he pretty much nailed it all. My family hates watching military movies with me, especially ones about the Navy because I can't help but point out the flaws.
Same with me and NCIS, was a BM1.
Pretty much the same at any theater on a military base on a Friday night between paydays when they play any military-themed movie. 😊
How was the job? Fire control always looked intense to me
@@rorywhyte6722 oh it was quite often. The lives of the entire crew are in your hands and if you are conducting Naval Gunfire Support for the Marines than it's their lives also. But at the same time it's very rewarding when things go right. I hope these men and women of today don't have to face the Russian or Chinese fleets. God forbid both.
i`m an ex Snipe..and i too laugh at them.
I've watched a lot of these "Expert reviews movie scenes" vids and this is probably the most knowledgeable and professional Expert I've seen in any of them. The breadth of his knowledge from historical to modern day is very impressive. This is the kind of guy you want in charge when crap hits the fan.
He was my CO while on the USS Oklahoma City, SSN 723. He's the real deal. I served with 9 different submarine commanders during my career in the Navy. This is the guy I'd want as my CO in a war.
I watch a lot of these too and all of the experts seem extremely knowledgeable.
@@Pasthim true
He is an admiral after all. It's amazing they got someone that high up to do one of these.
I’m not sure about some of his knowledge, for example hedgehog isn’t used by any European nation nowadays
I served with ADM Foggo at CSS6 in Norfolk, VA. What an amazing man and leader. One of the absolutely most knowledge gents I've ever met.
Ahh yes good ol Norfuck
Typically you don't become a brass hat by being a dummy...although a few still do get through occasionally. The ones I was fortunate enough to serve under were VERY smart, had vast amounts of strategic and tactical knowledge and were also highly conscientious of the responsibility of command both up and down the chain.
Something about him referencing GMs felt authentic and not what most sailors are lead to believe about top brass.
Quick note to editor (though admittedly a bit late): During the Greyhound analysis, the Admiral refers to the anti-air guns being lowered to fire at the U-boat. The editor of the film points to the wrong guns in the clip. The arrows are pointing at 2 of the 5 inch guns, which were dual purpose guns that were the main armament of those Fletcher Class Destroyers. I believe the Admiral is referring to the much smaller twin barrel that is just barely visible behind the second 5" gun.
Those were the main AA batteries, Bofors I believe.
Hose are boffers guns. Fuel barrel automatic 40mm NOT 50 calibre as the admiral states. He is right about 50 cal. usually ricocheting off water and losing velocity rapidly under eayer
I thought that he called the 5 inch guns a AA gun so i was a little confused and immediately went to the comments 😅
Hope all people have had a great new year 🎆🎊🎉🎇
@@walter.whites.meme.RV. You weren't, actually, that far off. The AA guns that were intended/shown were 40 mm (1.57 inch) twin bofors. Size mattered when it came to aircraft "stopping power" in WWII, so I was somewhat surprised when the Admiral began to describe the 50 cal Browning (destroyers did, indeed, have .50 cal guns early in the war, but they were displaced by 1.1 inch guns and, later variants of the 40mm bofor - the .50 cal is not described as armament on the Fletcher class destroyers. I didn't see any .50 cal in the clip, but I might need to review again). Regardless, the 5-inch gun (main battery for a destroyer) was dual purpose and was certainly used as an anti-air weapon with great stopping power. As a matter of fact, late in WWII the Japanese were using the main battery on the battleship Yamato (18.1 inch) to protect the ship against aircraft.
@@walter.whites.meme.RV. The editor was incorrect but the admiral was right. However technically speaking the 5-inch of the Fletcher class was duel purpose anti-air.
Admiral Foggo III is a straight up boss, especially for doing this review. His excitement about Battleship shined through and I got the feeling it was pure happiness that extended all the way back to his childhood.
Get more naval movies and get him back in the studio!
These breakdowns are at here peak when the expert has either watched the movies or just watches movies in general. "According to google King Kong weighs...". I'm like yes! He's taking it seriously. Been in the Navy 40 years and Battleship is one of his favorite movies? What a legend
Couldn't correctly identify a 50 cal though...
@@Hollows1997 those were 20mm AA guns in that clip, no?
@@m3gusta17 the clip had 4 gun types being used from 12.7, 20mm, and 40mm AA Guns
@@Hollows1997 but you're the expert, right
@@POTAT-pi7mu I never claimed to be, but I can identify the difference between a 40mm AA Gun and a 50. Cal
The clip about Dunkirk hit a little close to home. His description mirrors very accurately my late grandfather's description of his escape from the aft half of the USS Hobson in 1952. Now add to all that terror of crawling through bildge sludge and sea water that you have to do it at night. It's a miracle that anyone survived, and most didn't. Fortunately he did.
The bilge is a nasty place on a good day can’t imagine how bad it can get when the ship is flooding out
@@connorlancaster7541 ratio littlest bro
@@garmfield2977 Huh?
"It's not part of our tactical training in the navy to fight either of those creatures." 😂
I just love his kind of humour and overall attitude. One of best guests you had.
I bet that he secretly watches these movies with his grandchildren
“It’s not part of our navy tactical training to fight either of those two creatures” 😂😂 love it
Hearing an admiral say "Battleships, these ships were made to fight". You sir have my respect, people nowadays don't admit that battleships were beasts.
It's like a modern boxer fighting a man made of granite. It doesn't really matter that his technique is 50 years behind yours, since his body is made of a literal brick of high density reinforced steel. Those things are BIG as well, even an unarmed one can still ram most other ships and win that way.
@@DailyCorvid yea, but with outdated technology the modern boxer can hit the man made of granite from a series of out of reach locations rendering his brute force useless
@@BakingBadOBX And how exactly are these hits doing anything to a man made entirely out of granite?
You punch that you're not punching anything else for at least 9 months whilst the fractures heal...
Modern ships are not built to withstand direct hits like that - they are built for speed and agility rather than brute force.
And there is nothing on Earth that can currently render brute force useless.
@@DailyCorvid Poor military analogy, but we all know what you mean.
@@Alvin-1138 Well it was a throw away comment what do you expect?
The original one worked the way I used it, dragging it out didn't work but that was the other guy.
You can't punch through granite and thats what the old ship hulls are like. Whereas newer ones are built for agility and speed but can be shot clean through.
I like when naval history is portrayed somewhat accurately. I come from a long line of sailors- my dad shipped on DD-857 _USS Bristol_ ...a scrappy little pre-missile _Allen M. Sumner_ class destroyer. She escorted the CV-66 _USS America_ battle group, among other duties. My grandpa was a real life unsung hero: a USN SeaBee during the Battle of Guadalcanal in WW2. He ran an open cab dozer and was part of upgrading Henderson Field runway while under heavy fire from the jungle line, as the USMC had not yet secured the island. Desperate days, Seabees were unarmed, but he had a sawed off ten guage holstered on the cab...and had to use it when a Japanese soldier climbed up onto his track. They were shelled every night by the "Tokyo Express" supply ship/cruiser/destroyer line coming down The Slot. He contracted malaria and PTSD (before it was ever a term) and was never the same afterwards.
I like "Battleship" because it portrays the _Arleigh Burke_ class DDG's fairly accurately...and seeing the "Mighty Mo" in all her glory is amazing (fun fact: when you see the Mo cruising- some of that's not CGI! They actually took her out on a maintenance cruise and filmed. Great info on the DVD extras about it)
My dad always liked "Run Silent, Run Deep", "Das Boot" and "Hunt for Red October". All great submarine movies! Surprised they weren't mentioned.
I miss my dad and grandpa. I'm the only one left, to keep the old stories alive. 😞
🌊⚓💪
But...for lunch...I think I'll have a chicken burrito. 😁😉
Just to clarify, she wasn’t under her own power during that “maintenance cruise”. When the navy sold the ships to the museum organizations, it was stated in the contract that they were not allowed to reactive many systems on the ship, including the steam systems. This has been talked about several times by Ryan Szimanski on the Battleship New Jersey channel.
Several sources state that she was towed just outside Pearl harbour so there wouldn’t be any land in the shot.
I don't know why Seabees would be unarmed. Their entire motto is "We Build, We Fight" and every unit has carried its own weapons loadout as part of their mission, which is to protect what they build.
She told you about that?
My great uncle ran escort duty in the North Atlantic during WW2, he had 2 Destroyers torpedoed out from under him. I had 2 uncles serve on Destroyers off the coast of Vietnam from 63 and 67.
Me, as a Marine Veteran I loved Seabees!! We went out on a ambush, this Chief Petty officer asked if he could go out with us, I got my LT. to agree! After that Seabee CPO became best friends. People think only Seals fight, wrong every sailor fights.
IIRC My grandfather was a M.A.S.H scrub in the mid 60's 66 I think, and after a nuclear submarine core/ weapons inspector and naval nuclear physicist in the NNSY for 30 years.
I heard part of a story when I was young that was an asbestos spill and he ran in to pull people out.
He and his coworkers ended up with fatal lung cancer and it was something of a dark inside joke with them on who was next to get it.
A humble, brilliant, eccentric man.
Thank you Admiral Foggo for your expert insight on these movies. I was in the Navy myself for over 20 years.
This guy's knowledge and insight especially on the WW2 Era stuff is fascinating. You can tell he's really knowledgeable about the physics involved.
Except for thinking that the battleship moves sideways when firing.
@@FS2K4Pilot I dont think you actually listened to him
@@PhsykoOmen Firing a broadside won’t move the ship any noticeable amount to the side. The pressure wave caused by the muzzle blast gives that impression, but the ship would not actually move.
@@FS2K4Pilot Recently visited the USS Iowa and that was a definite myth. The ship does not move. Was a pretty glaring mistake. Also he mentioned that the targeting system was modern, while the Iowa Class analog computer were from the 40s, the system used in the movie would be back ups.
@@trickydick2909 I would give him some leeway with this. He probably never served on a battleship, and even if he did, by then they were used for shore bombardment which wouldn't require a full broadside. Great man though, very knowledgeable.
I loved when he starts to talk about Battleship because I saw the same thing although the movie is completely ridiculous story-wise. I still love how they showcased the Navy and just how powerful those old boats used to be!!
Yeah it's a guilty pleasure movie for sure, those old battleships were something else and were even used in Dessert Storm.
My favourite terrible but brilliant film! 😂
That’s my dad! He’s not navy but retired coast guard. Doesn’t stop him though
IMO that was a terrible movie but to think that they can jump on a decommissioned battle ship and head out after aliens is Ludacris. I remember how many years it took to put them back in service in the 80's. I was on a 45 year old ship and just keeping it running was a major undertaking.
@@Niftynorm1 Ludacris is a rap artist. Nothing to do with ludicrous, meaning so foolish, unreasonable, or out of place as to be amusing; ridiculous
I like how he appreciates these movies even though they may not be accurate. A lot of other experts just rip on them. My cousin was a surface warfare officer on a Tico cruiser and he said a lot of the ships company loved battleship because it was their movie, unlike top gun which was for the pilots.
Top Gun and Battleship are my two favorite IRL movies ehhehehe
Having served in the Navy on 3 carriers, I absolutely loved The Last Ship series. The attention to detail was spooky accurate. Very enjoyable series. Geray Hound was definitely an outstanding movie. I like that Tom Hanks stays as historically actuate as possible when he does the war movies.
Love that they included the last ship. The ops they run in the field are pretty unrealistic as far as personnel goes but they really went out of their way to make the onboard communication realistic.
One of my favorite shows.
Super underrated show. Literally no one I know has watched it but me 🤣
@@drumaticpageofmusic4148 just starting season 4.
I agree - its a very entertaining show.
The Last Ship, a series about a global corona virus pandemic, aired its last series in 2018.
In 2019, there was the start of a global corona virus pandemic.
TLS deserves 10 out of 10 for realism just for predicting covid.....
the ops they run in the last ship is actually pretty realistic because US destroyers sometimes have Navy SEALs aboard
Tora! Tora! Tora! Was the very first war movie I ever watched and I'm glad it got a 10 out of 10 for accuracy. This makes me want to watch it again.
i remember watching it with my dad when i was a little kid, i still have the disc! definitely want to re-watch it i completely forgot about it until this video
I remember my first war movie was “The Enemy Below” and was kinda sad about it not being here, but Tora! Tora! Tora! Is an excellent choice too
When they filmed it there were still plenty of WWII sailors around who would have called them out if it wasn't realistic. And they had plenty of sailors to advise them on just that very accuracy.
Me too. It's funny to me that still every time I see a movie with Japanese soldiers I can't help but mimic that Nippon banjo, plink plink plink plink, plink plink plink plink.
I love Tora! Tora! Tora! Because it has zero cgi, it used real planes, real explosions, and real battleship sized sets!
When I was stationed on an aircraft carrier, I used to have dreams (nightmares?) of the ship capsizing and having to escape. I knew, based on the way the ship is designed that it would likely never happen, but when you're doing drills often enough during deployment, things stick in your brain and just won't let go.
I didn't panic about it, I just knew I wasn't going to survive that scenario. I had lots of escape plans, but being in the engine room made most of them highly unlikely. We'd be the first to die.
I was on smaller ships where the possibility was higher too.
My Dad was a Machinist's Mate on an Essex-class carrier. He told me about working out his emergency route out and stashing a small "survival bag" (I forget exactly where, something like a ventilation shaft) with dried foods, a couple of water bottles, flashlight, etc. to grab on his way out if there was an emergency. He forgot to retrieve it when he left the carrier; said it was probably still tucked away in its hidey-hole when the carrier was decommissioned. But he admitted in a real disaster it probably would have only upgraded his chances of survival from "negligible" to "not good".
“Battleship happens to be one of my favourite movies”
Incredibly based. That movie was unexpectedly more fun than it had any right to be
As someone who served on T23 frigates. The clip with HMS Devonshire is mainly from footage a genuine ship (they did film on a T23).
However, I don't remember ever seeing flashing red beacons all over the place, neither were they fitted to T22 frigates.
The only flashing beacons tended to be in machinery spaces for Halon Drench activation.
LPD (albion/bulwark) have red beacons on the vehicle deck for the chemical alarm though.
Imagine having a respectable career in the navy for 40 years, just to be seriously asked how realistic is a movie about a big ape vs a radioactive lizard
And then give an answer like “50,000 tons landing on a carrier - my money is on the carrier”.
Clearly the Admiral thinks Godzilla is 50,000 tons of feathers….
@@dynamo1796 50.000 tones of feathers is stil 50.000 tones😭😭😭
When Steven Seagal is in a scene rated as "most realistic [anything]", you start to question reality.
This was before he was allowed to give notes to the director and screenwriters.
Not really. I grew up on Steven Seagal. Even though he is a poser, he has a lot of knowledge in military and martial arts which is why people believed his bullshit in the 90s in the first place. He isn't a great actor or military man or martial artist , but he was wise on some of the films he picked in the early 90s. Seagal maybe an habitual liar but he isn't stupid.
Steven Segal had a run back in the day making good gritty action movies and Under Siege was the best movie he was in.
In his early career his character portrayals were very similar Tommy Lee Jones's acting but Segal's star-power only lasted a few movies and he didn't stay in shape so his choreography was diminished and the roles he was taking were getting hokey cause the movies were poorly written and his characterization went from quirky-badass to strange-but-got-hands to washed-up-weirdo!
I don't why he fell off but whatever it was he couldn't admit it so most of his adult life was him pretending he was still on the ball.
He rated loading the big guns. When you look about actual footages or training videos, you would see that it was fairly in line with them. I.e. as I recall, they could lob the shell into the chamber and let it fly in by the pure momentum (although I think it was against official procedure), but they were very respectful when dealing with those powder bags. 🎃✴
His early films were actually quite good. It wasn't until the mid-2000s that he started losing the plot.
I'd like to have seen the Admiral's assessment of the most unrealistic thing in Battleship; putting the vessel to sea after decades of it being a museum. When the Navy and Coast Guard decommission service worthy vessels into "mothball" status they still require continual maintenance to keep them in service ready status. Even when they are re-commissioned to be returned to a fleet it takes weeks to months of upkeep to prepare the ship to go out to sea. A hundred guys with hammers and blowtorches could not put a ship that had spent decades as a tourist destination back in service in a day or two.
There's actually a requirement that the ships are kept in a ready to return to service state as per -
Congress passed Pub. L. 109-364, the National Defense Authorization Act 2007, requiring the battleships be kept and maintained in a state of readiness should they ever have been needed again. Congress ordered that the following measures be implemented to ensure that, if need be, Iowa and Wisconsin could be returned to active duty:
1. Iowa and Wisconsin must not be altered in any way that would impair their military utility;
2. The battleships must be preserved in their present condition through the continued use of cathodic protection, dehumidification systems, and any other preservation methods as needed;
3. Spare parts and unique equipment such as the 16-inch gun barrels and projectiles be preserved in adequate numbers to support Iowa and Wisconsin, if reactivated;
4. The navy must prepare plans for the rapid reactivation of Iowa and Wisconsin should they be returned to the navy in the event of a national emergency.
That was the dumbest most unrealistic movie EVER. So they keep 2,000 lbs shells and gun powder at the ready in a museum also.
Taking a steamship from "cold iron" to 634 PSI (steam pressure out of the boiler(s) to drive the turbine engines on a Iowa class battleship ) would have taken many hours. Regardless, it was a fun movie.
What are you on about Brian? They covered the basic and most essential steps of preparing a vessel for sea (knocking over the vending machines)
@@TKyCoss Weelllll, yeah, you have a point there.
Jocko: Battleship is dumb
Admiral Foggo III: Battleship is one of my favorite movies
Jocko seems like hard to please kind of man. A bit bitter and little too serious (maybe it's just a facade; part of his brand). Admiral Foggo on the other hand seems like a jolly man who is able to find an enjoyment in everything.
Had the pleasure of meeting this legend in my time when I was in the honor guard. An absolute gentleman and a terrifying man. All in the same time.
Rofl, I'd like to point out that he served in the navy for almost 40 years, and he has no Combat action ribbon (CAR) and his one and only Navy and Marine corps achievement medal has no "V" . Lol how is he the "subject matter expert " to rate battle scenes in movies? 🤦♂️he was a POG his entire career. 😂😂.
@@golffoxtrotyankee3494 Why would a Sailor who isn't a Corpsman get a CAR?
@@golffoxtrotyankee3494 Lol. And how are YOU the subject matter expert again?
Lol. Lol. Noob. Get dunked on. Lmao.
@@golffoxtrotyankee3494 Nobody asked for your damn opinion.
@@ryandelacruz250 he's been doing that in some comments already
Greyhound was set in 1942. The 40mm. Bofors were not part of US ship armament until mid 43.
Didn't uss pensacola have bofors at her rear end?
I thought it was interesting that they clearly showed the 40mm bofors and an admiral didn't give it a thought and talked about a .50 cal. Like he didn't even recognize a 40mm!
@@cofro3284 editors could have cut off a section where he talked about 40mms and the 5 inch dp guns
@@amistrophy That’s likely what happened, editors mix up. At least I hope the Admiral knows the difference.
@@CFarnwide He probably didn't see much of it at all if he thought it was good, the subs were going toe to toe with destroyers on the surface, movie was absurd.
I love how his first comment was on ear protection. My dad was in the Navy during late Vietnam on a carrier and a destroyer, and his main job while he served was loading a gun. All the ear protection he had was his hands, and he's half-deaf at this point in life. My friend that was infantry in the wars after 9-11 (can't remember where he went on tour, exactly), was in a part of the Army that received defective ear protection for a period of time. His hearing issue isn't as bad as my dad's yet, at least.
Hearing protection is one of those things you don't think you need until you realize you do and by then it's usually to late. My step dad served in the Gulf War as well as Operation Iraqi Freedom. He was a mechanic in the Army who worked mostly on helicopters and other aircraft. Back during Gulf hearing protection was treated as optional and from what he's said the stuff they did offer didn't make enough of an impact to bother with it. Now he's in his early 60's and even though he won't admit it it's clear his hearing is shot
I was in the Navy on the USS Bronstein FF1037 and we had an ASROC (Anti-Submarine Rocket) launcher near the bow of the ship. Not only were personnel kept away from noise and the pressure wave but the heat as well. We launched a few missiles in the late '80s to test guidance systems and every time a missile is launched we would have to follow up by repainting the entire front deck portion as the paint had been burned off of everything.
Hey Bronstein...from your sister ship USS Mc Cloy (FF1038). I wish to ask the Admiral if he ever did a tour on a destroyer ? If so I believe he would have noted that no one on the USS Greyhoud, seemed to be holding onto bulkheads or anything like a railing, as we were constantly shown the ship in rough seas, Which the North Atlantic was know for. From my experience from a minesweeper and a destroyer escort, you bang your head, foot, or any other part of your body in rough seas, you walk SLOW and more like a tripod til you get your sealegs. Even after you get your sealegs, when your bow goes way up and down as shown in the film like the Bronstein class were known for, you still grabbed something to stop banging into protruding objects.
@@jimcork6296 generally a destroyer is the first ship an officer is captain of
The Last Ship was just one of the most underrated tv series I've watched so far. I still watch the whole show from time to time.
The book is about nuclear war and is even better.
RIP Barker
I saw Greyhound and was excited to see it was based on the words of C.S. Forester, who wrote the Horatio Hornblower series, set during the Napoleonic War. Hornblower and Patrick O'Brien's Master and Commander are the best naval historical fiction works.
The Ship is another good one.
Alexander Kent has a fiction series with Captain Richard Bolithio, that are also very good.
@@durgan5668 Alexander Kent is the pseudonym of Douglas Reeman.
Douglas Reeman novels were mainly WW2 fiction.
5:15
"Two thousand men, and fifty thousand tons of steel
Set the course for the Atlantic with the battleship on their heel
Firepower, firefight
Battle Stations, keep the targets steady in sight"
“ Into formation, the hunt has begun
Death and damnation, the fleet is coming”
One of the most authentic and appreciative reviews I have seen, I believe it's because his military bearing and seniority that he takes on all the scenes so well.. Good Job Team Insider Keep it up.👍
Thank you all who have liked my comment 🙏
"It's not part of our tactical training in the Navy to fight either one of those two creatures."
I KNEW IT! I WAS RIGHT!
Jokes aside, getting an actual US Navy commander to rate and comment on this video is amazing! 😃
*Admiral
Commander is a much lower rank.
Ah ha! A weak link in our defense. Spend more money to be ready for them in the future?
Well, if it were part of their training, would he be allowed to tell us? ;) So...
Yes though the way it is worded implies they are trained to fight creatures, just not Godzilla and King Kong...
That was a great breakdown of each scene. 🤟The Admiral was even honest enough to admit he loved Battleship----one of the most infamously bad movies ever!💥💥
That seems to have it's own cult fan club. It's a classic no matter how improbable. You have to suspend belief in physics but so what! It's fun and that's the point.
@@darrellcook8253 True enough!
I love it even though the anchor would rip off and everyone would become a fresh coat of paint with the force of that turn
It is an actual thing though, keel-hauling
@@phantomaviator1318 Lol. Point being....don't overthink it?!👍
@@LordPeaceFrog yeah lol
6:04 I have heard stories about warships firing all their guns in a single direction. Like the USS Wisconsin, the Wisconsin turns all her 9 16 inch mark 7 guns onto a nearby hill top and the hill isn't there anymore. But long story sadly not shorter, the resulting recoil from firing 9 Volkswagens at it sent the ship sliding back lol. This is honestly one of my favorite stories too because of the message sent from the USS Duncan "Temper, Temper" lol
I remember hearing that story. Yeah the "temper, temper" part was pretty funny. Was that WW2 against the Japanese? I can't remember. Or was it against a country that we didn't "actually" go to war with?
@brandonlinsey5625 no actually she was on shore patrol and off shore bombardment if needed. In Korea, the North Korean's thought they could sink her if they got a gun battery on top of a nearby hill. Well they did actually make it all up there and fired successfully. Only to scuff a turret stand and mark up the armor a little. Lol so the Wisconsin does exactly as I said before. She turned all 9 mark 7s on the hill and made baloney mist out of the crew and the hill was sadly removed from the landscape
Hah I love the 'no one is allowed on the deck when we launch missiles...' followed up by 'we don't want anyone to get hurt' combo.
_"you can't fight in here gentlemen ..this is the WAR ROOM!"_ 😂😁
This guy is amazing. He's funny and personable, but clearly an master in his craft. More of him please.
The early war german torpedoes were actually steam powered, so they left a visible trail of bubbles on the surface. They introduced electric torpedoes that were not so easily spotted, mid war.
Torpedos were actually invented by the ottomans.
Thank you for your service, Admiral. I love all the movies on this list, but Greyhound gave me chills when I was watching it. I think it's one of Toms Hanks best roles. Despite having a 2 out of 10 I agree that Battleship is one of my favorite movies in this genre. Not because of its realism, but it's just so hooky that it's fun to watch.
Would be very interested in similar analysis for additional movies, but reflecting at least one older time period: Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World, In Which We Serve (British WW2 Destroyer), The Hunt for Red October, Das Boot, and an American WW2 submarine movie of your choosing; perhaps also the PT boats of ‘They Were Expendable’.
How about U-571 movies?
@@rozaimimuselimin4987 if you're going to critique a submarine movie for accuracy maybe best steer well clear of U-571. Crimson Tide would be a better choice
BEAT to quarters!
Greyhound was such a good movie. I took my son to spend the weekend on the Yorktown, and Greyhound was one of the movies they showed in theater. It was really cool to watch that on an actual carrier. An experience I will never forget.
Huh, that’s also how I saw it
@@birbfromnotcanada very cool!
Love the insights here! But I have to point out that the German torpedoes in Greyhound had such a visible wake due to them being steam driven. Not because their propellers were cavitating. The Germans had the electric g7e, but that was wakeless. And the 5 inch guns on the Fletcher class was a multi-purpose gun, not just an AA gun.
I agree with the torpedo wake. Regarding the AA guns, the admiral might be talking about the 40mm bofors also seen in the scene, it seems to me that the 5 inch guns were highlighted by the editor of the video.
@@eduardoandres7330 Agreed I was about to comment this but he was definitely talking about the Bofors cannons.
The 5 inch guns used on destroyers and most other American warship in WW2 were dual purpose anti-shipping and anti- aircraft. Every gun on a WW2 era US destroyer was an AA gun. Just to put a caveat out there, there were some old 5 inch 51 cal. guns, mostly on old battleships but the navy went to great lenth to remove and replace though prior to and during WW2.
Regarding what he said about rounds ricocheting off the surface of the water, would a 40mm or 127mm round fare better than a .50?
@@jakeg3733 Yes, if for no other reason than they have much much greater mass making it harder to ricochet. Aiming below the water line was a thing ships did do sometime in surface combat. In this scenario the 5 inch guns would almost definitely be load with anti-shipping rounds which would have a better chance at going under the water and doing meaningful damage.
Something wholesome about hearing him say that Battleship is one of my favorite movies.
indeed
The most realistic naval warfare film is "The Cruel Sea". My dad served on Corvettes during WW 2 and he always gave that film high marks. Especially the scene where the men are in the water and fighting to survive.
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check it out.
I'm 77 and it wasn't until a couple of decades ago that I realized there were Navy ships during WWII that were called Corvettes.
@@rogermetzger7335 : I don’t think the US Navy had any corvettes in WW2. They were a British and Canadian thing.
@@timonsolus Now that you mention it, I recall reading that corvettes operated in or near the St. Lawrence River. Thanks for the correction.
@@timonsolus an example of a Canadian Corvette: the Flower-class. Just look in War Thunder and you'll see one, the HMCS Brantford.
I've met and interviewed him a few times during my career in the Navy. He was, and still seems like, a very professional and collected person. Pretty awesome to see him giving these movies/shows great critiques while providing insight
A Mighty-Mo vet, here... Love this video... Thank you Admiral, sir, for reviewing 2 movies that featured the ship I served on!
Seriously jealous!! I had orders to her out of A School, just before Desert Storm but...they got changed last minute. Itd of been great, as my fathers first ship was a BB also, although he was aboard her only a short time before she was sunk at Pearl Harbor...(USS California)
Id already been on her as a kid in Bremerton just before her reactivation, and had told my sister rhat someday Id be on a ship "just like this"- never dreaming that itd be "that one, exactly"!!!
Still think of her as mine...😁
One of the most interesting episodes ever. The Admiral has top-rank knowledge and is very clear in his explanations. Plus, remains very professional even when commenting on Kong Vs. Aircraft Carrier. Kudos!
One minute in and I can already I'm going to enjoy what this man has to say.
Incredibly experienced with a dry wit. Perfect!
Wonderfully informative video. I was in the U.S. Navy for five years active duty and seven more in active reserve. It’s always a pet peeve of mine to watch a film depicting naval activities occurring in movies that are completely unrealistic when much of it so easily could have been fixed and not necessarily have impacted the story line, in fact only positively added to the film’s realism.
I’ve seen several interviews over the years of actual expert military/historical technical consultants who were hired by film companies and said although they were treated very well and everyone concerned would listen intently to their advice, they were completely disregarded as to that input concerning what was accurate and was nonsense. Basically the film’s decision-makers would listen, nod, smile and thank them for the advice and totally ignore it.
Omg I love these series where a "professional" rates movies of that genre! Well, I guess entertainment is entertainment, but they sure know how to make them good!
Omg I love when people don't understand how to use quotation marks and just use them randomly.
The man is a Retired US Navy Admiral. He knows what he's talking about. He was a legitimate professional. No quotation marks.
The amount of disrespect you're showing by trying to detract from his legitimacy by using quotations around the word professional is apalling.
The man served his county, put his life at risk doing his job; his profession. Who are you and how dare you delegitimize him or the sacrifices he made.
@@poppinov8797 Get off your high horse. For all we know, English may not be the commenter's first language, and their sentiment may be genuine.
Without doubt this man served his country and did so honourably. Who are you to think a petty mistake like this could ever detract from that? Anybody sensible can immediately observe that the Admiral knows precisely what he is talking about, at which your comment ends up being overly offended grammar policing. Perhaps it would have a more profound effect on the original commenter if you tried to be more analytical and elss emotional with your reasoning, but this way you acquit yourself rather poorly.
Unfortunately for that one they got a profetional navy politician. Huge geographic mistakes, total lack of any basic ship physics ... nope nice jacket but for me that's 2/10
@@lolaa2200 oh fck off.. he was a retired Navy Admiral.. and what are you.????
@@nadstengco2591 that's exactly the problem here, you care about what i am to know if what i say is true or not, you should be looking at what the people says and if or not that match reality. The title/costume/... have 0 things to do with the meaningfulness of a speech. That is called authority arguent and have been debunked at least since antic Greece.
I was an ordinance mechanic on an old Gearing class destroyer. I was assigned to a forward mount #2 5”38 gun mount. Firing on King Kong with all the water washing around the ship would make it very difficult to make a direct hit. Fire control would have a difficult time figuring out what was going on. Probably putting it in hand would work better but the projectiles would only piss him off more!
The battleship moving sideways is actually a myth. The USS New Jersey’s museum and memorial youtube channel debunked the myth.
To the top with you
I’m gunna believe the admiral
@@crosshairs19 ok you allowed to.
@@crosshairs19 Im going to belive physics, 9:50000(9 tons : 45000 to 56500 tons) is the projectile vs ship weight ratio. a 150 pound person firing an m2 ball 30-06(2500fps for the 16 inch, 2400fps for the 30-06 so close enough) is a 9:63,000 ratio to keep one side the same. So a person firing a 30-06 experiences less recoil than a iowa firing a full salvo and it has much better stability and recoil compensating systems than a rifle does. What is see as the ship moving is in fact the shockwave from the guns seen on the water. The lack of refrence doesnt help.
@@crosshairs19 just because s/one is an admiral might not mean they are right 100% of the time. I heard Marines say that the M16 was made by Mattel, but that's also a myth.
4:32 The US Navy doesn’t want anybody to get hurt when they launch a missile. Very reassuring, Admiral Foggo.
Well, none of OUR people. We can't launch more missiles if we're hurt!
the fact that he can discuss king kong with a straight face is amazing
"its not part of our tactical training in the navy to fight either one of those two creatures"
One scene in Battleship where they took considerable dramatic license was how the crew was able to take a mothballed ship and make it combat ready in a matter of hours.
2:45 The film Under Siege seemed realistic, because I was in the army. The tension between Ryback and Commander Crill with Captain Adams always sheltering Ryback seemed realistic. There were lots of scenes that looked authentic. It seemed like they got actual officers as well as actual sailors instead of actors for the film. For instance when Stranix asked, "You are the highest ranking pfficer in this room" and Commander Green says, "That's right, Operations Officer, 3rd in Command." The man who played Green did it in such a ways that it seemed not as acting but the real thing.
I'd like to see more of this guy. Better yet, do one with him and US Submarine Commander David Marquet from a previous "How Real Is It?".
Admiral Foggo is an awsome commentator and a professional in every respect. What a class act. Thank you Sir.
Glad you liked Battleship. I worked up the story. Yeah, I did the same anchor bit on Pirates of the Caribbean.
This guy needs to come back. Hands down one of best of the series.
The most realistic naval film I have ever seen is the superb The Cruel Sea, based on the novel by Nicholas Montserrat. Many of the cast had actually served in the Battle of the Atlantic and they used actual Flower class corvettes.
Master and Commander, The Far Side of the,World is also pretty accurate.
U571, whilst mildly entertaining, was a shocking disservice to the courage of the men of the Royal Navy who recovered Enigma machines from disabled U Boats.
I remember the outrage in Britain when U571 came out. Tony Blair mentioned it in parliament at the time. I'm still slightly annoyed about it, tbh. At least Saving Private Ryan was a good film when it claimed the American's won the war single handedly.
Greyhound is also fairly accurate at times.
@@rbarnett3200 haven’t watched SPR in a while when does it claim that lol
@@arizonaranger6024 I remember that also being a thing in Britain at the time as well. Basically the only troops you ever see during the D-Day invasion are American. There are no British, Canadian or other Allied troops anywhere to be seen. It was explained away as being because it was about a specifically American only beach landing (Omaha, I think?). But I watched that film at the cinema with my Grandpa who had fought in the war and he said "That's odd. I distinctly remember us being in that war". Some people, I guess younger people, who might not be familiar with history, could be mistaken for thinking that WW2 was America vs. Germany. I think to this day WW2 was 1941-1945 in American history books, whereas in Europe it's 1939-1945 (starting with the invasion of Poland). Some historians have argued it started with the Japanese invasion of Manchuria (1933? I think)..I've also read some historians who argue that the world war was 1914-1945
@@rbarnett3200 I frankly agree with that, movies about other allied forces, polish forces, partisans of all kinds etc are highly underrated and to be fair Americans are highly highly under educated for the most part since our education system is more toxic than a trailer park relationship. Not to mention those who claim to know anything about history get it from media and video games. I very much agree with the representation and inclusion of other fronts and armies during the war just frankly with the low funding public schools is made difficult. I for one find the days before american involvement in the war far more interesting because it is full of last stands and heroic acts (not saying those didn’t happen post 1941 just saying there was a lot more when the Allies were on their back foot) especially in regards to the French, polish, and Yugoslavs who tend to take a back seat to the war and are often just depicted as getting steam rolled. I do agree that there needs to be far more depiction of other forces in media and not just books, there are plenty of great books depicting it but the average American doesn’t read books lol
The Japanese had fuel powered torpedos in WW2. The oxygen powered Long Lances. Obviously Greyhound is about the German U Boats though.
Yup...and they were causing havoc! Our glitchy early MK 14's were bouncing off hulls and the "Combined Fleet" was getting their asses handed to them... desperate days, then.
The vast majority of torpedoes from that time period were fuel powered (the Long Lance just being the only one to use pure oxygen), and in fact it was their exhaust, not cavitation, that produced the visible trail. However the Germans did use an electric torpedo in addition to gas powered ones. It was virtually wakeless because it had no exhaust and was thus much harder to detect.
@@Klyis Also a single U boat *could* have launched both those torpedoes. Germans had some pretty interesting torpedo guidance systems and by 1942 it was entirely possible to set torpedoes to change direction more than once after launching, however I would not expect such good accuracy in that case.
@@satannstuff The US Navy had one of the most reliable TDCs (Target Data Computer). It could calculate the future position of a ship while it took a "zig-zag" course, as our sub was moving. After we (US) "fixed" our torpedoes (running depth and BOTH fuses), commanders would use the aft torpedoes as accurately as the fwd ones.
@@haroldhenderson2824 That requires predicting what the target is going to do, such predictions are pretty much never guaranteed. Subs also mostly launched torpedoes at merchant shipping, not the much faster and more agile escort ships. You would not get a hit on one of those if your prediction is even slightly off. USN subs didn't really have to worry about escorts in any case, because IJN was completely inept at anti submarine warfare.
I am completely floored by the fact that this dudes tie is off center and twisted!! Someone putting the microphone on him jacked his tie up. believe
Having been stationed on the USS Iowa BB-61 and being a Gunnersmate in Turret One, and having fired numerous 16" projectiles, this admiral is full of it when he says the ship moves several yards off course when the guns are fired. The ship does not move sideways in the water.
There were so many of these where I just had to shake my head. The aforementioned "Iowa Moving", Calling the Bofors 40mm from greyhound a .50cal. Saying that WWII torpedoes were electrically driven, there were some granted, but the vast majority were internal combustion...
Agreed, that’s a sea story. You can compute the relative momenta (plural of momentum?) of the broadside and the ship, and compute how fast the ship will be moving sideways. Even though the mass of the broadside is twelve tons or so, and the velocity is about 2800 feet per second, if you multiply those, then divide by the battleship’s 60,000 ton mass, on a theoretical frictionless surface, the battleship would be moving sideways at just over half a foot per second.
@@FS2K4Pilot People fail to take into account the guns recoil system. Those guns recoil over six feet before being returned to battery. If the guns were physically able to move the ship sideways, the crew would be knocked off their feet and everything not secured for sea would go flying. It just don't happen.
@@gradystegall4911 That’s not entirely true. The recoil system still transmits the entirety of the recoil force to the ship (minus incidental losses to heat, sound, friction, etc.), but the balance of that force must still be transmitted to the ship, or else the gun would fly backwards and smash its way out of the turret. The recoil system spreads the impulse out over several seconds, rather than the instant it spends propelling the projectile. And after I posted, I began to wonder if the blast wave from the guns hitting the water beside the ship could raise the water pressure on that side of the ship to cause it to move.
@@FS2K4Pilot the blast wave is directed out along the barrel. All that air that was displaced will be filled by the the surrounding air. It’s basically sucked around the ship causing it to look like the shifted sideways when in fact it hasn’t moved at all. If you look at the wake it doesn’t slide sideways like it would if the ship had actually been moved. All respect to the Admiral, but he had not served on a Battleship.
The amazing fact about the USS Ward during the Pearl Harbor attacks was not only did they hit their target but doing so with green recruits!
Good on the Admiral for responding to Godzilla v Kong with tongue in cheek! 😄
Though, I would disagree that the deck of the carrier could withstand 50kt jumping on it, I think Kong would be in the carrier up to hist knees. 🤭 Bonus props for looking up what this version of Kong might weight!
I was going to make the same reply. While the carrier 'might' be able to handle an additional load of 50kt added to its deck, I don't think that half the weight of the carrier impacting in a surface area equal to both of Kong's feet is something that the deck could take. I'd say it would likely crack the ship to the keel.
kinetic energy, mass and inertia. The Navy knows it well.
@Ganiscol same thoughts. I wouldn't bet on that carrier to hold out against King Kong's weight. Having that much step on a small area of the deck would at the very least crack it, worse sink the whole ship.
@N Fels excellent and correct info, I've loved WW2 carriers since a kid, love em lol. There's also Hornet...Lexington...Wasp...poor Yorktown...Sangamon...St Lo...Ommany Bay..Princeton...
Bismarck Sea...Essex...Intrepid...Bunker Hill...damn, even more. Although not all kamikaze looses, the huge scale of the naval/aircraft battles, the loss of life and ships...younger people have no idea how intense it was. An ex-gf's dad was aboard the Bunker Hill when she was hit...I will never forget the thousand-yard-stare haunted look in his eyes when he told the story...he lost a lot of friends.
I hate that the USN is now naming every damn tub after political hacks...esp carriers. I think the WW2 naming nomenclature is best- carriers/LHA's after battles, cruisers after cities, DD(g)'s after military staff, attack subs after fish/marine life. Boomers having State names makes sense, since there's no more BB's anymore. 🇻🇮🇺🇸⚓
Rofl, I'd like to point out that he served in the navy for almost 40 years, and he has no Combat action ribbon (CAR) and his one and only Navy and Marine corps achievement medal has no "V" . Lol how is he the "subject matter expert " to rate battle scenes in movies? 🤦♂️he was a POG his entire career. 😂😂.
11:17 He made a minor (albeit I'm nitpicking here) error there.
The Fletcher-class had dual-purpose main guns (meaning they are intended to be used both for firing as they do in the movie *and* anti-aircraft duties).
The B-turret (2nd counting from the bow) is actually mounted on the superstructure of the ship (just like the C and D turret)
I wonder if that is just a screw up from the editing side... that his actual talking bit there is about the BOFORs (which are also in the scene0, not the 5 inch main guns the arrows point to. Though the big hit on the submarine is obviously from the main battery.
@@Axterix13 Yea, it could very well be actually.
@@FinlayDaG33k I thought the the same thing you did. But as I re-watched it i noticed that they also showed the 40MM BOFORs while he was talking about .50 cals. I think the editor just was using random gun footage and either didn't know or didn't care about what the Adm was saying.
It is fact that anti-aircraft cannons can be reliable against other targets. The biggest example of that being the infamous Flak 88 from the second world war. In case of a real brown alert it is possible to repurpose the aa-capability for other targets. Therefore the comment from the admiral stands.
@@louiskeser9255 exactly my thoughts
I wish they'd have a score for realism, and a score for how much they enjoyed the movie, lol.
I've always wondered what an actual Admiral would think of naval war movies. Thanks a million for answering my question in such a great vid!
Superb. Love how all Admirals seem to have an understated way of putting things.
Bit disappointed he didn't say "There's something wrong with our bloody clips today", but you can't have everything.
Love his "take it as it comes" attitude - he's not overly critical nor contemptuous of any silly goofs or unrealistic scenarios, but merely reserves judgment until he gives his final score haha
Sir, I was on Battleship New Jersey (BB-62) 82-86 as an MM3 and USS Truxtun (CGN-35) as FC2-1138 and FC1-1138. Your reviews of those movies were spot on Sir! Bravo Zulu. I would like to say that we not only feared flooding but fire as well. Thanks for your Service, reviews and I wish you Fair Winds and Following Seas.
You were right across the pier from me in Long Beach... Mo sailor, here😊
so you should know that a broadside doesn't move the ship "several yards". the math has been done, even on ice a full broadside would only move the battleship a few centimeters.
@@ymemag9861 New Jersey couldn't do a full broadside because of a problem with turret 2. That being said on Feb 8, 1984 we fired 16 inch rounds in anger and believe me when I tell you that the ship moves as a result of man battery gunfire support.
@@mcintoshdev Do you know anything about old sailing ships? Like Galleons and other sailing vessels from the 1700s, I wonder if they teach about them in the marine
@@LnmHive that's a great question. In boot camp we learned some of the history of the US Navy, all the way back to John Paul Jones, who was the first US Naval Commander during the Revolutionary War. We also had to learn how to tie a myriad of knots that are common to sailing but nothing specifically about the magnificent Frigates, Stoops, Man of Wars, Ships of the Line, Schooners, Cutters or Brigantinea of the Continental Navy. I took it upon myself to study US Navy history and it really is a fascinating story. Did you know that more than half of the Continental Navy was destroyed, seized or captured by the British Navy? Conscription of Continental Navy sailors was a regular occurrence by the British Navy even after the war ended and led to the War of 1812! Anyways, great question!