@@s_.777 That scene, as harrowing as it is, served a lot of purpose. Ramsey was being "nice" to Sansa up until then. Almost up to the point to make you believe that he would be good to Sansa in some twisted way. That scene solidified how much of an evil prick he truly is and there's no redeeming him. Also most importantly, it starts the catalyst for Reek to become Theon again. People are kinda hypocritical for whining about r*** scenes but completely fine with people getting chopped up like vegetables in this show. Not downplaying the heinous crime that is r***. But this world is full of crimes. R***, murder, robbing, the list goes on.
@@theascendunt9960 People condemning rape scenes in TV shows as being worse than murder scenes is not, by definition, hypocritical. Hypocrisy is talking down to others for considering the depiction of rape to be worse than the depiction of murder while literally censoring the word "rape" in your message because of how awful you consider it to be yourself. If you have a different reason for censoring it, please share, and tread carefully.
He acted it like a real foOking pro! Alfie Allen rocks . I think he acted it like he would if it was real life and he had a trauma disorder that kept him from taking an action . It's very well done. GOT cast in general is a mind blowing one.
In a bit of irony, these Unsullied (Nikki and Steven) got their cocks back, in an episode that introduced them to the thriving (throbbing?) enterprise of Cock Mercantilism.
vikingedi A warriors death would have been a quick death... decapitation, or a sword downward through the hole your collar bone makes, or a thrust under the rib joint directly into the heart.
Littlefinger's plan here is pretty clever and often overlooked. He brought Sansa to Winterfell for exactly the reason he told her - if Stannis wipes out the Boltons Sansa gets installed ruler of The North then Littlefinger can come in and marry her. If the Boltons win Littlefinger can send in the Knights of the Vale to finish them off, making him a hero in the eyes of the North and a worthy husband to Sansa. And if Sansa doesn't survive he still gets named Warden of the North by Cersei. No matter what happens he wins.
Which shows how smart, but how manipulative and uncaring he is. Sansa is just a pawn to him. He may be attracted to her, but she's a key to him primarily. If he can't have the key, so long as the door to the North is still open, he'll take it, with or without her.
Very true, and he convinced Sansa to agree to marry Ramsey because he knows she wants the "castle" life. Same reason she did not accept the Hound's offer to help her or, initially, Brienne's offer to help. They represent no power to her. She sees power and a potential husband in Littlefinger, and she wants to be a "queen," so she agrees to marry a sadist, the son of the man who betrayed her family and murdered her brother. I know she didn't realize how horrible it would be, and once she accepted Littlefinger's plan, she was trapped. … PEACE.
Sheila Burns Sansa despises Littlefinger. She would never marry him at this point of the story. She lets him touch and kiss her only to keep him in check and find out what he’s up to. He also represents a familiar evil, she clearly told him that she lied for him because she knew what he wanted (her) and felt he was her safest bet then. She has to follow his shitty plan now because she hopes to be in a better position to retake Winterfell at some point. Also, she refused Brienne’s help because she did not know her as well as she knows LF and wasn’t willing to take any chances. But in a very subtle way, she made sure that Brienne understood her life (and Pod’s) was at risk (‘sometimes, we do [have a choice]’) and that LF would never let her live after catching sight of Sansa with him. I don’t think that Sansa is after power now: she’s after survival and leveraging her resources to minimize risks.
No, it doesn't. Littlefinger's plan made zero sense, it was just some contrived nonsense the showrunners came up with so Sansa could get raped. Just think about it. Littlefinger is already Lord of Harrenhal and Lord Paramount of the Trident thanks to his alliance with the Lannisters. That means all the River Lords owe fealty to Littlefinger, a title that once belonged to her mother's family, the Tully's. Additionally, through his marriage to Lysa Arryn, he is now Lord Protector of the Eyrie and Vale of Arryn. He essentially rules the Vale in all but name since Robin is so little and easily influenced. But now, despite carefully acquiring both titles, something someone as low-born as him should never have been able to accomplish, he decides to throw it all away and give Sansa Stark to the Boltons. Do I need to explain why this is so dumb and makes no sense? 1) Sansa Stark has been declared a traitor to the Crown, wanted in the death of Joffrey Baratheon. Cercei in particular would move hell on Earth and break any alliance with anyone who sheltered her. Yet, LF openly gives her to Roose Bolton. Thus, he risks having all his lands and title stripped by the Crown for aiding a traitor. 2) Why would Roose Bolton even accept such a "gift" without the approval of the Crown? Roose is allied with the Lannisters, the Lannisters are the ones that made him Warden of the North, yet he's going to openly have his son marry Sansa Stark, without approval, risking open warfare with the Lannisters? 3) Stannis HATES Littlefinger, had Stannis been King while Robert was alive he would've hanged him and Varys for the schemers that they are. The idea that Stannis would ally with LF if he wins against the Boltons simply because LF protected Sansa Stark is insane. LF knows that Stannis is a brutally just and honest man, he would never ally with or trust LF. Thus, his only ally in the North would be the Boltons. 4) LF should know that Ramsay Snow is a monster, he has spies everywhere but suddenly is dumbstruck that a Bolton is a sociopath? Surely he must know that if Sansa survives such an ordeal that she would never trust him again given that Ramsay is a fucking monster and LF gave her away to him. Nothing about the plan makes sense, it's just contrived nonsense in order to shock the audience.
Sansa has always been one of my faves. She has gone thru so much but they have never broken her. She is Catelyn's daughter. She has a core of steel. She has taken all the bad to learn how to play the Game better and better.
Sansa should have told the truth in the first episode and none of this would have happened. Her betrayal of her baby sister for Joffrey and the want to be a Princess has led to her situation.
I love how much y'all love Sansa. Some many folks hated on her and it's great to see folks who can appreciate what she tries to do and the danger she's in.
I met Iwan Rheon, who plays Ramsay, at a convention once. He was the friendliest, least intimidating person you could meet. Shows how good he was in this role.
I was watching The Dirt (Motley Crue biopic on Netflix, I think). When Mick Mars showed up, I got inexplicably terrified. I didn't know why this guy scared me so much, so I Googled the actor. It was Iwan Rheon, who was stuck in my brain as Ramsay. He did a great job in The Dirt and wasn't scary at all. It's nice to hear you had a good experience with him at a con. Still, I think I'd poop myself if I ever met him in real life.
Ramsey makes me feel like Joffrey wasn't actually all that bad! Just a spoilt little shit, really! Jack Gleeson played the villain brilliantly. But Iwan Rheon as Ramsey Snow/Bolton is orders of magnitude better!
I think Ramsay is being played over the top. with all the constant mischievous smiles, like a cartoon antagonist. Joffrey was more interesting as he was still a kid.
Yup. Ramsey is a doos. I swear, this episode gets harder to watch every time I see it 😣 But, credit to the actor. He honestly brings the cruelty of this character to life. Well done.
@@nickrubin7312 he is a vegetarian , animal lover who owns a flower garden hehehe so fuck yeah he is epic well wrong choice of curse butt yeh , wait that also sounded wrong 🤣
@@marcuskurze9759 I still have to reach his part in the books, but I've heard its downright evil 😳 I am busy with the fourth book. Storm of Swords the second part.
I don't think any other characters has tolerance as Sansa she has been threw all that and still holding on to whatever she can she is a burning fire in the centre of storm
we share the pain on sansa’s suffering nikki. it’s something so hard to watch, and it really hit me and stuck with me when i watched it the first time and to this day.
tyrion was actually always fascinated by dragons, he read about them in books but he always wanted to see one. it wasn't displayed much in the show though.
A lot of people thought the ending scene was just shock value, but I disagree. IMO there was no other way this wedding night could've gone down. We've known who and what Ramsey is since season 3: a raping, murdering, torturing sadist. He derives joy from the pain and suffering of others, and keeping the victim alive only extends that joy. That doesn't and wouldn't change just because he's married to Sansa. He played nice long enough to get what he wanted, and now that Sansa "belongs to him", he can show his true face and enjoy his new plaything.
>>A lot of people thought the ending scene was just shock value You make a very good point. All I'd add is that I don't think "a lot of people" thought it was shock value. A very small number of vocal people (mostly 2nd rate "celebrities" whose careers had died or people with an agenda to to push) made a "fuss" about the rape which of course the media gleefully jumped on. Said complainers had never criticised anything else in the show previously (e.g. Theon being tortured over successive episodes resulting in his penis being cut off or people being brutally killed - heck 10 year old boy pushed from window springs to mind.). Rape is apparently a no-no (although of course it isn't actually shown - thankfully. Murder and torture however? Said complainers had no problem with that🙄 😏
thedifferent14 in the books this storyline didn’t belong to sansa. so it was completely avoidable and unnecessary. so yes, it WAS shock value. and i’ll forever be angry at this decision they made on the show. i don’t like seeing these kind of scenes and i’m sure no one else does, so adding one just to “prove a point” on a character (like i saw someone justify on a comment around here) isn’t needed when we all know and seen what he’s like several times.
Mel - Agreed, as you said it WAS completely for shock value. Sansa has already endured a number of horrific scenario's but once arriving at the Vale her storyline begins to transform, but the showrunners did a swap and orchestrated it so Sansa would become Ramsey's wife and get raped. It was entirely unnecessary and turned Sansa's storyline into torture porn. (HBO can have great quality shows but they have a tendency to resort to lazy, shock value scenarios in some cases, which is frustrating)
How the fuck does a little girl deserve to be beaten down, held hostage, married off multiple times, and raped? Outside of normal heated sibling interactions and angsty teenage moments she was hardly a bitch to deserve what came later. Hello???
Wow. This comment, which I don't remember making, and don't condone or defend in any way, has blown up more than I expected... I guess I was in a darker place when I made it.. what a disgusting person I was...
What Aemon said was what he said to Aegon (nicknamed Egg by Aemon) before Aemon set off to Castle Black, after denying the throne, in the books. ''Kill the boy and let the man be born'' points to that he is going to have to make decisions that won't always be liked; tough decisions. To get back to the book reference: He told Aegon to ''stop being an Egg, and start being an Aegon''. Why did he touch his face? Well, Aemon is blind. It's not so much a riddle when the background of Aemon is known. For him it's mostly a repeat of the past; a young person rising to power with him at the side.
Umm, you guys didn't notice when Aemon cast his deciding vote for Jon to become Lord Commander how he needed assistance from one of his aides? Just the way he carried himself...most of us got it before this point in the show...😜😜😜
To be fair, I don't really care about the schedule as long as you guys can keep on posting. Be it in the morning, midnight, or whatever. You guys rule and I love how you're concerned, but you have a life and it's ok to live it. 💕💕💕💕💕
Over analysing is basically the life of a Game of Thrones fan lol! So don't worry that's normal 🤓👌 You must know this very well , there is NO FILLINGS in GOT everything you hear and see even the background matters and the shifting in scenes from a person to another is also often and very subtley done.
This made me weep for Sansa. Ramsay is such a thoroughly evil being that there could never be a redemption for him. 😡 As far as Arya and the way the Hound's death went, I don't think Arya could decide exactly how she felt about him at that time. On the one hand, she still held him accountable for Mycah's death, but on the other, she had come to care for him and realized he was not as horrible as she'd thought. That's why I think she looked so confused about why Jaqen hit her. At least, that's how I saw it. 😊 As always, thank you guys so much for these reactions!
It's pretty simple: Arya wanted the Hound to suffer, because she wanted to make herself believe she hated him - while deep down she actually didn't anymore.
Iwan Rheon who plays Ramsey does such a fantastic job, and he's such a nice guy in real life x in the book Ramsey actually marries a maid masquerading as arya stark. It's a pretty good episode all in all. Another great reaction guys xxxx
The closing scene of this episode is clearly horrific. However, I've struggled to understand why it shocks so many people in comparison to all the show has thrown at us beforehand. For example, the same fate happens to Daenerys in the opening episode, which I found much more disturbing because I wasn't yet acclimatised to the terrible world depicted in the show, not to mention the disturbing fact that she then fell in love with her forced husband!
I think the difference in reaction is because Dany wasn't tortured, beaten, and abused season after season while barely claiming any power of her own before being taken advantage of again and brutally raped. Dany started from the bottom where we barely knew her and then worked her way up, so people were less outraged. Sansa's story is her constantly getting kicked while she's down and then being sold off to another sadist again and getting raped on top of that. Allot of people just finslly hit a breaking point with that scene asking when is enough, enough?
The bit with Dany at the beginning always bothered me more, because after the first two episodes, Drogo is shown as an ally to Dany, sending the message that "rape isn't all that bad." Whereas here it's done by Ramsay, who we already know to be a twisted sadist, and who continues to be after this scene. In this scene, there is no moral ambiguity. Ramsay is bad, period. He's never redeemed. Drogo was quite quickly redeemed, which, while making a more satisfying arc for Dany, still unjustifiably justifies rape.
@@bovineking8927 I think with Drogo too, rape was sort of presented as just part of the Dothraki life. Drogo also at least took Dany somewhere private whereas Ramsey forced Theon to watch. Drogo didn't seem to take pleasure in raping Dany. It was presented almost as if he was saying "We're married now, this is what we do."
One consistent thing in these videos I appreciate, is whenever something intriguing happens, Steven turns into a bobblehead. It's an automatic signal the scene is important.
The film making is incredible in this episode. Their work around to not showing Sansa getting raped (Which I don't think they wanted to show that since I don't think they'd wanna do Sophie like that) instead slowly zooming into Theon's face of absolute horror drives that sequence home. Not seeing what Ramsey is doing to Sansa makes it even more horrific because your mind and Alfie's acting makes it so. Shout out to Bryan Cogman who directed this episode.
“what’s his name?” Lol Steven :P You’re talking about the one true king! This would be the second time Stannis is marching on a castle where Sansa Stark is practically held prisoner.
Are Nikki & Steven aware of the Azor Ahai lore? I don't think this is spoilery, since it's still lore within the show. But it really isn't covered that much in the show. In brief, ages ago Azor Ahai (aka The Prince That Was Promise) helped defeat the White Walkers. And there's a belief that when the time comes he shall return to save the realm again. It's this belief that drives the Red Woman Milasandre. She firnly believes that Stannis is this hero reborn.
It is actually discussed in S02E01. When Melisandre is introduced she tells everyone about the prophecy of Azor Ahai and Lightbringer. Most people just miss it because they are so focused on Melisandre.
It's just another interesting tidbit that serves as much of Milasandre's motives. And as **Zenobia** points out, it was only briefly touched upon in her introduction. I agree and I don't want them searching for additional information for fear of spoils. I was mainly speaking of the lore/mythos of Azor Ahai within the story/show and not necessarily the fan theories that it sparks.
SuperSoldier IV are Azor Ahai and the Prince Who was Promised the same person? I think it’s unclear in the books as to whether those are the same prophecies or not.
Aemon also said how horrible it is that Daenarys was surrounded by enemies on all sides, all alone and that aemon was not there to advise her like he is for jon snow
I think maester Aemon is not only talking about Jon, he also talking about himself. Its like reflection of his past as man torn between hard choices in life, he sees same things happening in Jon
Aemon's been at the Wall nearly 60 years, and counseled Lord Commander Brynden Rivers (Targaryen), the commander before him, at least 1 or more unnamed Lord Commanders after him, and Lord Commander Qorgyle, Mormont, and now Jon Snow. If anything, I believe he's speaking generally about life, about how becoming a man means you make need to make tough choices, and live with those choices, trusting that you made the best choices you could at the time. This is especially true at the Wall, and Aemon has experienced these life and death choices and the men who make them for a very long time. Sure he too became a man, choosing to become a Maester instead of King. But in speaking to Jon, and his role as Lord Commander, I think he is speaking specifically about what being Lord Commander of the men of the Night's Watch requires, and what Jon must become.
You two got to look up Dame Diana Rigg( Lady Olana) in a catsuit from the 60's tv show The Avengers on Google. That lady has been the Queen of Cool for a long long time. Not sure Cersei could pull off a catsuit like Lady Olana did in her younger years. WOW!!!
You guys post so much that I pretty much don't pay any attention to your schedule. Stuff pops up in my feed I watch it. If you were doing a bunch of shows and GoT was once a week, then I pay attention to schedules, but even then I feel like the day matters, not the hour. If the schedule is as much for you, to keep everything ordered and moving, knock yourself out, but otherwise I wouldn't sweat it too much.
We appreciate the video, just take your time and do what you have to do to edit and upload when it's ready. I'm with you on the eye roll, Nikki. LOL. And yes, we had the same question about Gendry, and people made that exact same "still rowing" joke. It's a meme. The Faceless Men are pretty savage but the relationship with death is not straightforward. Sometimes they kill for mercy, like what Arya did to the sick girl. Sometimes it's for other reasons, . The Tyrion/Jorah pairing is really good. Littlefinger is the biggest shitbag. The Tyrell situation... Joffrey would never have allowed this. Tommen is weak. And Sansa... this is the most controversial episode because of this marital rape. It's horrid. We are right with you right there on that holy shit.
I thank both of you for the huge efforts put into the channel. I love watching how you debate before and after the episodes, that really deepen the results. Also, how you appreciate all the work of the little hands in the show (costume, scenery, all the special effects). The horses stuns too ! (I promise Nikki if you like horses you should watch the behind the scenes thingy afterwards, the mastery of the riders during the shooting is INCREDIBLE). Oh and ! For two minutes of dragon it's six weeks of work by a whole team, the 3D models are shaped by bones, muscles, scales... Even the inside of the dragons are modelised, that's why they seems so alive, so vibrant ! That's what I want to do in my future job, and it amaze the fuck out of me to see how much they work for this show (in the future seasons you will be blown away by the special effects, because oh boi, that's just a taste until now). Anyway, I can't wait to watch you on this. Good luck with the editing and all ! À cœur vaillant rien d'impossible. From Paris with love, A french cunt. Edit : oh my god that episode I remember T__T
This is not necessarily Jaquen H'ghar. Anyone who is a NO ONE can be wearing the face that the NO ONE who called himself JH was wearing when he met Arya.
Sansa breaks my heart. She deserved to have her dreams of love and being a fine lady come true, not to be crushed and tortured in such a brutal way. Poor girl really has had a horrific journey since the death of her father
I don't know why people think this episode is bad... I love it !!!! In my opinion people hate it, because our heroes are losing (Sansa, Theon, Margaery, Tyrion, Jorah, Jaime, Bronn) and the antagonists are winning (Cersei, Littlefinger, Ramsay, Roose). In life and in Game of Thrones things are not every time great for the good guys, we have to accept it !! By the way love your reactions, you're great !!!!
Eh no, the Sand Snakes are terrible. The choregraphy of the fight is terrible, the execution is horrible. It's so clear that the actress handling the wip never handled a wip in combat (same with the spear, the actress is really struggling with that one!), and oftentimes they just scream trying to look credible with their weapons but don't... Their choregraphy and acting was better later on but ehhhh...
i think i saw a photo comparing them a while ago i could never forget about that fact. The thought of all of the Starks possessions still in that castle for the boltons to do with as they please while sansas there gives me shivers. (Also if youre interested in little details and symbolism like that i would highly recommend checking out sansas first wedding gown. the embroidery shows wolves and trouts being turned into lions symbolising the lannisters growing influence on sansaxx)
Littlefinger started the war of the five kings,he now rules over the most fortified region with one of the best trained warriors in Westeros (Vale) and he is working on becoming the Warden of the North...Chaos.. isn't a pit...chaos is a ladder.
Jerome Flynn is a singer, look up Robson and Jerome. They released a version of "Unchained Melody" which stayed at number 1 for 7 weeks on the UK Chart.
Honestly though. I imagine many squire's see the person they attend to's body quite often. How they used that he knew about the birthmark is a pretty horrible way to accuse someone, especially since Squire's help bathe their knights.
i dont know just something about rape gets me this episode was so dark the ending was so damn dark far darker then red wedding and anything else i saw in game of thrones also how theon was crying
The Summer Children are growing up fast....Great reaction, love all the comments you guys make. I'll be hanging out all week watching your your video's of GoT. 💖💖
Theon is so traumatized cause he knows if he is caught betraying Ramsey he most likely will not get a clean death he would be tortured beyond belief 😢😢😢😫
Everyone hates the ending of this episode (with good reason)... yet no one seems to remember _Dany's_ first time, which was quite similar but for some reason (probably because we hadn't been watching her grow for several seasons) didn't seem to get as much hate...
+PJFSr You pretty much _have_ to be the baddest homicidal maniac among whole lot of homicidal maniacs to be a khal (and survive for any significant amount of time), though... (As for Theon... yeah, I mostly agree... though _a lot_ of people would probably say that he had it coming, at least up to some point.)
It is exactly because we've watched Sophie grow up on this show. It makes things more horrific, I think. We remember her as a child. It's like we know her at this point.
I didn't think Dany's wedding night was "okay". I just think that we didn't know her as well and so we weren't as attached. It didn't hit in quite the same way. That's all.
Just the realization that Nikki and Steven are going into Game of Thrones with a completely open mind, no spoilers from books, no theories talked to death in forums leading up to episodes and seasons, I as a fan of them, it's going to be so sweet when they discover things without spoilers and rumors to ruin their experience.
You guys talking about letting episodes marinate in your minds and then after some time, things start to click, but sometimes risk over-analyzing and spoiling things for yourself.... I remember seeing an interview with a well renowned director/producer, can’t for the life of me remember who, but someone who’s work you’d know... they were talking about how Netflix and binge watching is changing how TV is consumed vs traditional weekly episodes. Their concern with binge watching is it robs you of the time between episodes, for you to fully absorb them and think and talk about them, and invariably form different opinions than you had right after you originally watched the episode. It was a real interesting take, from their perspective... but personally I’ll stick to the binge watching. It’s nice to catch up on a years old series like you guys are doing. You get to connect the dots and appreciate call backs to previous episodes and seasons that are fresh in your mind because you recently saw them, whereas in normal TV you’d never remember the smaller details from episodes you saw years ago. These days I purposely wait until seasons finish before I watch them. Except GOT of course...
22:55 I don't know what was the most disturbing fact from that especific moment: Theon in his young life dreamed one day he would have sansa's hand in marriage or that Jon Snow, her "only'' survived brother, could have left her on her own at the hands of a butcher like Ramsay?
I can’t wait until you are both fully caught up because I will rewatch all your reactions and create the greatest drinking game yet every time you say oh my god take a shot and every time Steven says Jon Snow in that voice and Nikki roles her eyes 2 shots. Another great reaction from you two
I knew this would be a really difficult one for you guys. It was so horrible to watch. It's just heartbreaking because we've watched Sansa grow and seen her go through so much. And we know what a horrible person Ramsay is. I send you hugs. They're virtual, but they're all I've got. There was a huge controversy over Sansa's scene for a couple of reasons. One of them was that they cut to Theon and people were saying that made it all about him instead of Sansa. But I disagree. I absolutely think the focus is still on Sansa and Theon is basically all of us watching/hearing this happen. Fantastic performance from Alfie, btw.
Yes it didn't make it about Theon! It was an obvious reflection of her pain probably even better than she would have portrayed it . And yes Alfie is under appreciated I feel he is waaaay too good in this scene/role
Been binge-watching this show with you guys, three years after the fact and enjoying your efforts at editing and reacting. It's been a fun ride so far. Found your channel from your "Walking Dead" reactions. I call it a "Viewer's Digest" version of Game of Thrones.
The Arya/many faced god story is the most interesting one imo. Its so mysterious that it just engages us when we clearly dont understand anything thats going on or what it even means. In any other show, this could be very boring but not in GOT.
Fun fact about Theon: After Roberts Rebellion, Balon Greyjoy (theonsfather) wouldn't bend the knee to Robert. This was called the Greyjoy Rebellion. So Robert sent Stannis to attack Balons fleet because their greatest power was their ships. As Jaimie mentioned in season 1, Thoros of Myr ran into Pyke with a flaming sword, he was referring to the greyjoy rebellion. Anyway, theons brothers were killed and then Balon gave in. But as a failsafe in case Balon ever rebelled again, Robert made Ned take Theon and grow him up at Winterfell so if Balon ever rebelled Ned would have to execute Theon. I doubt he would though, but we will never find out now. That's why Theon refers to himself as a Stark prisoner is season 2!
25:30 Remember what Joffrey did with those whores? And all his threats that he would rape Sansa? "How would you like that?... You wouldn't? That's alright, Ser Mandon and Sir whatever will hold you down" Not sure he would have been better.
He wouldn't have been any better Definitely Ramsey is a piece of shit but at least he does his own evil deeds himself he doesn't order someone else do it for him . Not that this makes him a better anything but still important to know the difference in savagery lol
Wow...where do we go from here? Jaimie/Bronn in Dorne, Jorah & Tyrion in Essos, arya stuck in Bravos, Jon at the wall trying to figure stuff out, Kings landing in chaos (thanks to Cersei), poor Sansa suffering at Winterfell (thanks to Little Finger), and Dany marrying some "hack", what va mess!!...Always enjoy your post...TC
Great reaction! Loved that you mentioned the scene with Drogon! Now Jorah and Tyrion are Meeren bound and I am STOKED for you guys to see Tyrion meet Dany! See you in episode 7!
Exactly, it is almost shocking how people try to blame Tommen for everything. The first advice Tommen ever received was to listen to his counsellors, from Tywin. Tommen was raised to follow as Cersei states to Ned in season 1, that is the task of the second son. Cersei, and even Margaery to an extent, are so interested in power that they completely overwhelm Tommen. All of them are only interested in their own needs. Cersei is the worst, in her search for power she allows Tommen to be humiliated and undermined. She is the root cause of all these problems.
Jarin but this isn’t the books it’s the show. I absolutely agree that it’s unfair to blame Tommen in the books: he’s like, 8. However, Tommen in the show is WAY too old to be as foolish and ineffective as he is. He’s having sex with Margaery and it’s not being written as rape, which means he’s an adult. He should know better and honestly I am completely unsympathetic to Show!Tommen
Amen to that. I hate when people bitch about Tommen when the blame should go almost entirely to Cersei and to a lesser extent Margaery. Had they left well enough alone, Tommen could be a wonderful king who's generous and kind to his people. He certainly is the first king since the Mad King's father, Jaeherys II, who actually gave a single shit about the people of Westeros. But no, of course, Cersei fucks everything up and it's TOMMEN'S fault. Whatever.
1. They could be mad at whoever they want to be mad at in the show. 2. This is the show, not the books, therefore his age in the book is 100% irrelevant in this context. 3. Tommen quite literally has all the power in the world to put the high sparrow in a cell but he doesn't out of stupidity.
Just wanted to stop by and say that you two are amazing! I subscribed to your channel just this past weekend and have already caught up today to all of your GOT reactions. Watching your videos helps make my drive to and from work way more enjoyable, Thank you so much! Keep it up, and keep keepin it real! Can't wait to see more! Thanks again.
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The actor that play's Ramsey said he didn't sleep the night before the shoot, was dreading it.
just shows how unnecessary a scene like that really is
@@TH-cam_IS_WOKE calming rape scenes make game of thrones what it is… surely that’s a massive insult?
They didn't show him doing anything thankfully, But I'm sure they filmed it if he was that nervous to shoot it@@s_.777
@@s_.777 That scene, as harrowing as it is, served a lot of purpose. Ramsey was being "nice" to Sansa up until then. Almost up to the point to make you believe that he would be good to Sansa in some twisted way. That scene solidified how much of an evil prick he truly is and there's no redeeming him. Also most importantly, it starts the catalyst for Reek to become Theon again. People are kinda hypocritical for whining about r*** scenes but completely fine with people getting chopped up like vegetables in this show. Not downplaying the heinous crime that is r***. But this world is full of crimes. R***, murder, robbing, the list goes on.
@@theascendunt9960 People condemning rape scenes in TV shows as being worse than murder scenes is not, by definition, hypocritical. Hypocrisy is talking down to others for considering the depiction of rape to be worse than the depiction of murder while literally censoring the word "rape" in your message because of how awful you consider it to be yourself. If you have a different reason for censoring it, please share, and tread carefully.
The face of Theon during that scene... heart crushing. Emmy-worthy performance IMO.
He acted it like a real foOking pro! Alfie Allen rocks . I think he acted it like he would if it was real life and he had a trauma disorder that kept him from taking an action . It's very well done. GOT cast in general is a mind blowing one.
I read somewhere that Alfie Allen was casted to play Reek first
Best actor of the series imo
One of the top performances of the entire series. Great story arc too
One of the best actors in the show
"Is Gendry still rowling?"
You guys are just become a real Game of Thrones fans 😂😂
Test nedv No, I am sure he is in a tavern by now bragging about losing his virginity to a tasty looking red haired woman!!!😱😱😱😲
Omg yaaaas. 🚣♂️🚣♂️🚣♂️🚣♂️
I was waiting for them to mention Gendry! I lol when they said that!
In a bit of irony, these Unsullied (Nikki and Steven) got their cocks back, in an episode that introduced them to the thriving (throbbing?) enterprise of Cock Mercantilism.
I know right was such a typical GOT fandom note lol!!!!¡.
Arya loved the Hound too much to kill him and she hated him too much to put him out of his misery. In other words, she was majorly conflicted.
Ron Turtleman Very well stated. That's exactly it.
I think loved is a bit strong. She hated him less.
I don't think she could help him so she gave him a warrior's death, dying in battle
vikingedi A warriors death would have been a quick death... decapitation, or a sword downward through the hole your collar bone makes, or a thrust under the rib joint directly into the heart.
Meant she let him die in combat
Littlefinger's plan here is pretty clever and often overlooked. He brought Sansa to Winterfell for exactly the reason he told her - if Stannis wipes out the Boltons Sansa gets installed ruler of The North then Littlefinger can come in and marry her. If the Boltons win Littlefinger can send in the Knights of the Vale to finish them off, making him a hero in the eyes of the North and a worthy husband to Sansa. And if Sansa doesn't survive he still gets named Warden of the North by Cersei.
No matter what happens he wins.
Which shows how smart, but how manipulative and uncaring he is. Sansa is just a pawn to him. He may be attracted to her, but she's a key to him primarily. If he can't have the key, so long as the door to the North is still open, he'll take it, with or without her.
Very true, and he convinced Sansa to agree to marry Ramsey because he knows she wants the "castle" life. Same reason she did not accept the Hound's offer to help her or, initially, Brienne's offer to help. They represent no power to her. She sees power and a potential husband in Littlefinger, and she wants to be a "queen," so she agrees to marry a sadist, the son of the man who betrayed her family and murdered her brother. I know she didn't realize how horrible it would be, and once she accepted Littlefinger's plan, she was trapped. … PEACE.
Sheila Burns Sansa despises Littlefinger. She would never marry him at this point of the story. She lets him touch and kiss her only to keep him in check and find out what he’s up to. He also represents a familiar evil, she clearly told him that she lied for him because she knew what he wanted (her) and felt he was her safest bet then. She has to follow his shitty plan now because she hopes to be in a better position to retake Winterfell at some point. Also, she refused Brienne’s help because she did not know her as well as she knows LF and wasn’t willing to take any chances. But in a very subtle way, she made sure that Brienne understood her life (and Pod’s) was at risk (‘sometimes, we do [have a choice]’) and that LF would never let her live after catching sight of Sansa with him. I don’t think that Sansa is after power now: she’s after survival and leveraging her resources to minimize risks.
Sheila Burns Sansa definitely does NOT want to marry Littlefinger
No, it doesn't. Littlefinger's plan made zero sense, it was just some contrived nonsense the showrunners came up with so Sansa could get raped. Just think about it. Littlefinger is already Lord of Harrenhal and Lord Paramount of the Trident thanks to his alliance with the Lannisters. That means all the River Lords owe fealty to Littlefinger, a title that once belonged to her mother's family, the Tully's. Additionally, through his marriage to Lysa Arryn, he is now Lord Protector of the Eyrie and Vale of Arryn. He essentially rules the Vale in all but name since Robin is so little and easily influenced.
But now, despite carefully acquiring both titles, something someone as low-born as him should never have been able to accomplish, he decides to throw it all away and give Sansa Stark to the Boltons. Do I need to explain why this is so dumb and makes no sense? 1) Sansa Stark has been declared a traitor to the Crown, wanted in the death of Joffrey Baratheon. Cercei in particular would move hell on Earth and break any alliance with anyone who sheltered her. Yet, LF openly gives her to Roose Bolton. Thus, he risks having all his lands and title stripped by the Crown for aiding a traitor.
2) Why would Roose Bolton even accept such a "gift" without the approval of the Crown? Roose is allied with the Lannisters, the Lannisters are the ones that made him Warden of the North, yet he's going to openly have his son marry Sansa Stark, without approval, risking open warfare with the Lannisters?
3) Stannis HATES Littlefinger, had Stannis been King while Robert was alive he would've hanged him and Varys for the schemers that they are. The idea that Stannis would ally with LF if he wins against the Boltons simply because LF protected Sansa Stark is insane. LF knows that Stannis is a brutally just and honest man, he would never ally with or trust LF. Thus, his only ally in the North would be the Boltons.
4) LF should know that Ramsay Snow is a monster, he has spies everywhere but suddenly is dumbstruck that a Bolton is a sociopath? Surely he must know that if Sansa survives such an ordeal that she would never trust him again given that Ramsay is a fucking monster and LF gave her away to him.
Nothing about the plan makes sense, it's just contrived nonsense in order to shock the audience.
I felt so sorry for Sansa, she just can't catch a break. All she wanted to do was go back home and now she's a prisoner in her own home. Poor girl =(
Sansa has always been one of my faves. She has gone thru so much but they have never broken her. She is Catelyn's daughter. She has a core of steel. She has taken all the bad to learn how to play the Game better and better.
oh.. she got a break
Sansa should have told the truth in the first episode and none of this would have happened. Her betrayal of her baby sister for Joffrey and the want to be a Princess has led to her situation.
@@AH-yu2pi Nice way to blame a girl for her rape.
@@AH-yu2pi she was a child back then who made a mistake.
I love how much y'all love Sansa. Some many folks hated on her and it's great to see folks who can appreciate what she tries to do and the danger she's in.
Sansa Defense Squad forever.
@@tierneybeckett hell yeah
I met Iwan Rheon, who plays Ramsay, at a convention once. He was the friendliest, least intimidating person you could meet. Shows how good he was in this role.
I was watching The Dirt (Motley Crue biopic on Netflix, I think). When Mick Mars showed up, I got inexplicably terrified. I didn't know why this guy scared me so much, so I Googled the actor. It was Iwan Rheon, who was stuck in my brain as Ramsay. He did a great job in The Dirt and wasn't scary at all. It's nice to hear you had a good experience with him at a con. Still, I think I'd poop myself if I ever met him in real life.
Ramsey makes me feel like Joffrey wasn't actually all that bad! Just a spoilt little shit, really!
Jack Gleeson played the villain brilliantly. But Iwan Rheon as Ramsey Snow/Bolton is orders of magnitude better!
I think Ramsey is a grown up Joffrey, an adult version. Both very much psychopaths, of course.
@@anafreitas1646 Ramsey can at least fight lol
Ramsey is Joffrey on Steroids.
@@TheMaskedChef7. Haha! Great point!
I think Ramsay is being played over the top. with all the constant mischievous smiles, like a cartoon antagonist. Joffrey was more interesting as he was still a kid.
Yup. Ramsey is a doos. I swear, this episode gets harder to watch every time I see it 😣 But, credit to the actor. He honestly brings the cruelty of this character to life. Well done.
yep, Iwan Rheon seems like a cool dude, sings some melodramatic songs, and yet he plays Ramsey, Hitler
@@nickrubin7312 he is a vegetarian , animal lover who owns a flower garden hehehe so fuck yeah he is epic well wrong choice of curse butt yeh , wait that also sounded wrong 🤣
I really like his character!
And still compared to the book Version...
@@marcuskurze9759 I still have to reach his part in the books, but I've heard its downright evil 😳 I am busy with the fourth book. Storm of Swords the second part.
Seriously. I know people who post videos MAYBE once a month. We're totally spoiled. You two take your time, do what you need. We love you!!
Couldn't agree more!!!
Hush! I need my fix!!!
Stacey, I was using reverse psychology and guilt! Do you you really think i meant that crap??
We NEED them! - taps the vein - ;p
If you need to know, Theon is wearing Robb's Red Wedding outfit...
@@MARYWTHER Never noticed. That's dark.
"The dwarf lives until we find a cock merchant"
Surely the best line ever spoken in a tv production!
This implies that somewhere in GOT lore, there is a merchant who sells dongs
@@doctorm3518 the books confirm it 😂
I pictured the merchant like in "i got the hookup" where he opens his leather trench jacket and they're just strapped all inside the coat
I don't think any other characters has tolerance as Sansa she has been threw all that and still holding on to whatever she can she is a burning fire in the centre of storm
No reaction is complete without a Nikki "Allriiight...".
Agreed haha
Lmao took me a sec and then I heard it in her voice or Stevens Jon snorrrw lmao
That wasn't a riddle... Just Maester Aemon's way of saying that Jon has to "man-up".
Yes ! Just like he told his brother before that , well in the books that is , very similar talk with the same pitch line .
Big L
Agreed.
My theory on Gendry: Ser Davos told him to keep the shore to his left. Dragonstone is an island. Do the math. 😂
hahahahahahaa yes great point lmaoOOooo
we share the pain on sansa’s suffering nikki. it’s something so hard to watch, and it really hit me and stuck with me when i watched it the first time and to this day.
Steve: "That was disgusting"
Nikki: "I'm thoroughly, thoroughly upset"
Us + The world's reaction at the time: "Same guys. Same"
tyrion was actually always fascinated by dragons, he read about them in books but he always wanted to see one. it wasn't displayed much in the show though.
Arya was too but season 8 ruined it
A lot of people thought the ending scene was just shock value, but I disagree. IMO there was no other way this wedding night could've gone down. We've known who and what Ramsey is since season 3: a raping, murdering, torturing sadist. He derives joy from the pain and suffering of others, and keeping the victim alive only extends that joy. That doesn't and wouldn't change just because he's married to Sansa. He played nice long enough to get what he wanted, and now that Sansa "belongs to him", he can show his true face and enjoy his new plaything.
Agreed. I knew where it was going as soon as the wedding ceremony started. Not any easier to watch, but I knew there wouldn't be any escape from it.
>>A lot of people thought the ending scene was just shock value
You make a very good point.
All I'd add is that I don't think "a lot of people" thought it was shock value. A very small number of vocal people (mostly 2nd rate "celebrities" whose careers had died or people with an agenda to to push) made a "fuss" about the rape which of course the media gleefully jumped on. Said complainers had never criticised anything else in the show previously (e.g. Theon being tortured over successive episodes resulting in his penis being cut off or people being brutally killed - heck 10 year old boy pushed from window springs to mind.). Rape is apparently a no-no (although of course it isn't actually shown - thankfully. Murder and torture however? Said complainers had no problem with that🙄 😏
@@redcardinalist Yeah, probably just a vocal few 😏
thedifferent14 in the books this storyline didn’t belong to sansa. so it was completely avoidable and unnecessary. so yes, it WAS shock value. and i’ll forever be angry at this decision they made on the show. i don’t like seeing these kind of scenes and i’m sure no one else does, so adding one just to “prove a point” on a character (like i saw someone justify on a comment around here) isn’t needed when we all know and seen what he’s like several times.
Mel - Agreed, as you said it WAS completely for shock value.
Sansa has already endured a number of horrific scenario's but once arriving at the Vale her storyline begins to transform, but the showrunners did a swap and orchestrated it so Sansa would become Ramsey's wife and get raped.
It was entirely unnecessary and turned Sansa's storyline into torture porn. (HBO can have great quality shows but they have a tendency to resort to lazy, shock value scenarios in some cases, which is frustrating)
Can't stop feeling sorry for sansa
She got what she deserved for being a bitch in the first season.
How the fuck does a little girl deserve to be beaten down, held hostage, married off multiple times, and raped? Outside of normal heated sibling interactions and angsty teenage moments she was hardly a bitch to deserve what came later. Hello???
@@nirmalsuki she didn't deserve to be raped
Wow. This comment, which I don't remember making, and don't condone or defend in any way, has blown up more than I expected... I guess I was in a darker place when I made it.. what a disgusting person I was...
@@schonbaka1649 Would be relevant if I were Indian...
What Aemon said was what he said to Aegon (nicknamed Egg by Aemon) before Aemon set off to Castle Black, after denying the throne, in the books. ''Kill the boy and let the man be born'' points to that he is going to have to make decisions that won't always be liked; tough decisions. To get back to the book reference: He told Aegon to ''stop being an Egg, and start being an Aegon''.
Why did he touch his face? Well, Aemon is blind.
It's not so much a riddle when the background of Aemon is known. For him it's mostly a repeat of the past; a young person rising to power with him at the side.
Umm, you guys didn't notice when Aemon cast his deciding vote for Jon to become Lord Commander how he needed assistance from one of his aides? Just the way he carried himself...most of us got it before this point in the show...😜😜😜
Why you spoiling the books?
@@mbradleyc if u think this is a book spoiler you haven't been paying attention to the show.
Every time Steven says "Jon Snaaaw" it's more funny, especially with the looks afterwards, haha.
" Behind every great man is a woman rolling her eyes " lol
Can we take a moment to appreciate how brilliant Baelish is? A true chess master.
To be fair, I don't really care about the schedule as long as you guys can keep on posting. Be it in the morning, midnight, or whatever. You guys rule and I love how you're concerned, but you have a life and it's ok to live it. 💕💕💕💕💕
Bruna Pereira perfectly said :)
Very well said! We want you guys to keep loving what you do cause we can all feel the love in your work so stay sane and rock on 🤘🏻!!
seconded and nice one:)
We are name twins
Over analysing is basically the life of a Game of Thrones fan lol! So don't worry that's normal 🤓👌
You must know this very well , there is NO FILLINGS in GOT everything you hear and see even the background matters and the shifting in scenes from a person to another is also often and very subtley done.
Hear hear! (On all counts.)
@@jdovma1 hehe add me I'll add you to the group , you can't find it unless we add you :) @malik_eva
@@jdovma1 done
I knew there was more to Pycelle's fart.
It has layers.
Onions.
@@lefthand6086
Ewww loOol
Well you handled that better than I did Nikki!
This made me weep for Sansa. Ramsay is such a thoroughly evil being that there could never be a redemption for him. 😡
As far as Arya and the way the Hound's death went, I don't think Arya could decide exactly how she felt about him at that time. On the one hand, she still held him accountable for Mycah's death, but on the other, she had come to care for him and realized he was not as horrible as she'd thought. That's why I think she looked so confused about why Jaqen hit her. At least, that's how I saw it. 😊
As always, thank you guys so much for these reactions!
It's pretty simple: Arya wanted the Hound to suffer, because she wanted to make herself believe she hated him - while deep down she actually didn't anymore.
"That didn't go according to plan" should be the title of this episode. Jaime. Tyrion. Margaery. Sansa.
Iwan Rheon who plays Ramsey does such a fantastic job, and he's such a nice guy in real life x in the book Ramsey actually marries a maid masquerading as arya stark. It's a pretty good episode all in all. Another great reaction guys xxxx
Poor Sansa, this scene still breaks me ☹️
The closing scene of this episode is clearly horrific. However, I've struggled to understand why it shocks so many people in comparison to all the show has thrown at us beforehand. For example, the same fate happens to Daenerys in the opening episode, which I found much more disturbing because I wasn't yet acclimatised to the terrible world depicted in the show, not to mention the disturbing fact that she then fell in love with her forced husband!
I think the difference in reaction is because Dany wasn't tortured, beaten, and abused season after season while barely claiming any power of her own before being taken advantage of again and brutally raped.
Dany started from the bottom where we barely knew her and then worked her way up, so people were less outraged. Sansa's story is her constantly getting kicked while she's down and then being sold off to another sadist again and getting raped on top of that.
Allot of people just finslly hit a breaking point with that scene asking when is enough, enough?
@Gevorg1989 No, I think Sansa being a minor as in youth was part of the issue.
So true
Dany constantly was fighting against abuse
The bit with Dany at the beginning always bothered me more, because after the first two episodes, Drogo is shown as an ally to Dany, sending the message that "rape isn't all that bad." Whereas here it's done by Ramsay, who we already know to be a twisted sadist, and who continues to be after this scene. In this scene, there is no moral ambiguity. Ramsay is bad, period. He's never redeemed. Drogo was quite quickly redeemed, which, while making a more satisfying arc for Dany, still unjustifiably justifies rape.
@@bovineking8927 I think with Drogo too, rape was sort of presented as just part of the Dothraki life. Drogo also at least took Dany somewhere private whereas Ramsey forced Theon to watch. Drogo didn't seem to take pleasure in raping Dany. It was presented almost as if he was saying "We're married now, this is what we do."
All things you mentioned about Sansa are the reasons why she became my favorite character. ❤❤
One consistent thing in these videos I appreciate, is whenever something intriguing happens, Steven turns into a bobblehead. It's an automatic signal the scene is important.
One of the scariest things on the Internet is Steven's look of righteous anger .
The film making is incredible in this episode. Their work around to not showing Sansa getting raped (Which I don't think they wanted to show that since I don't think they'd wanna do Sophie like that) instead slowly zooming into Theon's face of absolute horror drives that sequence home. Not seeing what Ramsey is doing to Sansa makes it even more horrific because your mind and Alfie's acting makes it so. Shout out to Bryan Cogman who directed this episode.
“what’s his name?” Lol Steven :P
You’re talking about the one true king!
This would be the second time Stannis is marching on a castle where Sansa Stark is practically held prisoner.
"The dwarf lives until we find a cock merchant." Best line in GOT, so far.
A tough watch that ending.
Are Nikki & Steven aware of the Azor Ahai lore? I don't think this is spoilery, since it's still lore within the show. But it really isn't covered that much in the show. In brief, ages ago Azor Ahai (aka The Prince That Was Promise) helped defeat the White Walkers. And there's a belief that when the time comes he shall return to save the realm again.
It's this belief that drives the Red Woman Milasandre. She firnly believes that Stannis is this hero reborn.
They shouldn't search Anything right now and the azor ahai theory isn't shown in the show so what's the point !
I have to read the books ! My son is currently reading them and he loves them .
It is actually discussed in S02E01. When Melisandre is introduced she tells everyone about the prophecy of Azor Ahai and Lightbringer. Most people just miss it because they are so focused on Melisandre.
It's just another interesting tidbit that serves as much of Milasandre's motives. And as **Zenobia**
points out, it was only briefly touched upon in her introduction. I agree and I don't want them searching for additional information for fear of spoils. I was mainly speaking of the lore/mythos of Azor Ahai within the story/show and not necessarily the fan theories that it sparks.
SuperSoldier IV are Azor Ahai and the Prince Who was Promised the same person? I think it’s unclear in the books as to whether those are the same prophecies or not.
Aemon also said how horrible it is that Daenarys was surrounded by enemies on all sides, all alone and that aemon was not there to advise her like he is for jon snow
As long as I get to watch your videos the schedule is irrelevant as long as you guys are comfortable with it. Love you guys and your reactions!
3:39 Row, Gendry, row, row your boat
Across the Narrow Sea
Aimlessly, aimlessly, aimlessly, aimlessly
It sucks to be Gendry
Post what ever time you need to guys I will be here watching and moderating!!! LOVE YOU TWO!!!
Where were you in the chats , we miss you .
I think maester Aemon is not only talking about Jon, he also talking about himself. Its like reflection of his past as man torn between hard choices in life, he sees same things happening in Jon
True BOTH.
Aemon's been at the Wall nearly 60 years, and counseled Lord Commander Brynden Rivers (Targaryen), the commander before him, at least 1 or more unnamed Lord Commanders after him, and Lord Commander Qorgyle, Mormont, and now Jon Snow. If anything, I believe he's speaking generally about life, about how becoming a man means you make need to make tough choices, and live with those choices, trusting that you made the best choices you could at the time. This is especially true at the Wall, and Aemon has experienced these life and death choices and the men who make them for a very long time. Sure he too became a man, choosing to become a Maester instead of King. But in speaking to Jon, and his role as Lord Commander, I think he is speaking specifically about what being Lord Commander of the men of the Night's Watch requires, and what Jon must become.
Me screaming at Steven: "he's not Theon anymore!!!!" lol.
You two got to look up Dame Diana Rigg( Lady Olana) in a catsuit from the 60's tv show The Avengers on Google. That lady has been the Queen of Cool for a long long time. Not sure Cersei could pull off a catsuit like Lady Olana did in her younger years. WOW!!!
You guys post so much that I pretty much don't pay any attention to your schedule. Stuff pops up in my feed I watch it. If you were doing a bunch of shows and GoT was once a week, then I pay attention to schedules, but even then I feel like the day matters, not the hour. If the schedule is as much for you, to keep everything ordered and moving, knock yourself out, but otherwise I wouldn't sweat it too much.
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We appreciate the video, just take your time and do what you have to do to edit and upload when it's ready. I'm with you on the eye roll, Nikki. LOL. And yes, we had the same question about Gendry, and people made that exact same "still rowing" joke. It's a meme. The Faceless Men are pretty savage but the relationship with death is not straightforward. Sometimes they kill for mercy, like what Arya did to the sick girl. Sometimes it's for other reasons, . The Tyrion/Jorah pairing is really good. Littlefinger is the biggest shitbag. The Tyrell situation... Joffrey would never have allowed this. Tommen is weak. And Sansa... this is the most controversial episode because of this marital rape. It's horrid. We are right with you right there on that holy shit.
I thank both of you for the huge efforts put into the channel. I love watching how you debate before and after the episodes, that really deepen the results. Also, how you appreciate all the work of the little hands in the show (costume, scenery, all the special effects). The horses stuns too ! (I promise Nikki if you like horses you should watch the behind the scenes thingy afterwards, the mastery of the riders during the shooting is INCREDIBLE). Oh and ! For two minutes of dragon it's six weeks of work by a whole team, the 3D models are shaped by bones, muscles, scales... Even the inside of the dragons are modelised, that's why they seems so alive, so vibrant ! That's what I want to do in my future job, and it amaze the fuck out of me to see how much they work for this show (in the future seasons you will be blown away by the special effects, because oh boi, that's just a taste until now).
Anyway, I can't wait to watch you on this. Good luck with the editing and all ! À cœur vaillant rien d'impossible.
From Paris with love,
A french cunt.
Edit : oh my god that episode I remember T__T
I hate that scene with Ramsey raping Sansa. Whenever I re-watch the episode, I skip it.
Intense episode that one... the envelope was definitely pushed. Keep up the awesome work! Loving your reactions over here in New Zealand.
"The dwarf lives until we find a cock merchant" is not a phrase I ever would have thought I'd hear until I watched this show.
That girl Arya helped put down was very sick she put her out of her misery and yes they probably took her face .
Am I the only one who thought Jaqen H'ghar would be a lot different? Thought he was awesome when Arya first met him but man he's kind of weird
This is not necessarily Jaquen H'ghar. Anyone who is a NO ONE can be wearing the face that the NO ONE who called himself JH was wearing when he met Arya.
Sansa breaks my heart. She deserved to have her dreams of love and being a fine lady come true, not to be crushed and tortured in such a brutal way. Poor girl really has had a horrific journey since the death of her father
Steve raise a good point I never thought about: it's her home and she must know a few places and traps that nobody knows.
This look of dispair every time in Nikki's eyes when Steven talks about Jon Snooaa :-D
She takes it very seriously 🤣🤣 I love her so much lol
I think Nikki is getting used to it. Normally there is a very obvious eye roll and I didn't catch that this time around.
I don't know why people think this episode is bad... I love it !!!! In my opinion people hate it, because our heroes are losing (Sansa, Theon, Margaery, Tyrion, Jorah, Jaime, Bronn) and the antagonists are winning (Cersei, Littlefinger, Ramsay, Roose). In life and in Game of Thrones things are not every time great for the good guys, we have to accept it !! By the way love your reactions, you're great !!!!
Because noone die... ;)
It's mostly book purists and people who don't like rape televised. Common, it's much worse in the books...
Sand Snakes are bad. The rest is good, I agree.
I don't hate the sand snakes, but they're not amazing either. For me that part is just ok !!
Eh no, the Sand Snakes are terrible. The choregraphy of the fight is terrible, the execution is horrible. It's so clear that the actress handling the wip never handled a wip in combat (same with the spear, the actress is really struggling with that one!), and oftentimes they just scream trying to look credible with their weapons but don't... Their choregraphy and acting was better later on but ehhhh...
Hey you!! #NotificationSquad 360p we meet again
YAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! Don't get me wrong I miss you guys first thing in the morning, but it is good to see you afternoon!
also fun fact: theons outfit during the wedding (and bedding) is the same outfit robb wore when he died. :)
What an observation! Am very impressed!! Did you notice that yourself or read about it I never myself. Great fact either way thanks .
i think i saw a photo comparing them a while ago i could never forget about that fact. The thought of all of the Starks possessions still in that castle for the boltons to do with as they please while sansas there gives me shivers.
(Also if youre interested in little details and symbolism like that i would highly recommend checking out sansas first wedding gown. the embroidery shows wolves and trouts being turned into lions symbolising the lannisters growing influence on sansaxx)
Littlefinger started the war of the five kings,he now rules over the most fortified region with one of the best trained warriors in Westeros (Vale) and he is working on becoming the Warden of the North...Chaos.. isn't a pit...chaos is a ladder.
Ladaaaaa 😂
@@TheMaskedChef7 LADDAAHHHH
@@sawabozovicok but only one H lol
(HE ALSO HAS THE CASTLE OF HARRENHAL)
Jerome Flynn is a singer, look up Robson and Jerome. They released a version of "Unchained Melody" which stayed at number 1 for 7 weeks on the UK Chart.
Honestly though. I imagine many squire's see the person they attend to's body quite often. How they used that he knew about the birthmark is a pretty horrible way to accuse someone, especially since Squire's help bathe their knights.
This is exactly what I think every single time I see this scene.
omg when steven said jon snow my eyes automatically rolled and I burst out laughing the second I realised I did it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
i dont know just something about rape gets me this episode was so dark the ending was so damn dark far darker then red wedding and anything else i saw in game of thrones also how theon was crying
The Summer Children are growing up fast....Great reaction, love all the comments you guys make. I'll be hanging out all week watching your your video's of GoT. 💖💖
Where's The Hound when Sansa needs him?
Theon is so traumatized cause he knows if he is caught betraying Ramsey he most likely will not get a clean death he would be tortured beyond belief 😢😢😢😫
Everyone hates the ending of this episode (with good reason)... yet no one seems to remember _Dany's_ first time, which was quite similar but for some reason (probably because we hadn't been watching her grow for several seasons) didn't seem to get as much hate...
Probably because Drogo wasn't shown as a homicidal manic. a better comparison is the lack of out cry of what happened to Theon.
+PJFSr You pretty much _have_ to be the baddest homicidal maniac among whole lot of homicidal maniacs to be a khal (and survive for any significant amount of time), though...
(As for Theon... yeah, I mostly agree... though _a lot_ of people would probably say that he had it coming, at least up to some point.)
It is exactly because we've watched Sophie grow up on this show. It makes things more horrific, I think. We remember her as a child. It's like we know her at this point.
Which just shows the usual double standards, it is okay to be raped when you are an unknown character, but a known characters are off limits.
I didn't think Dany's wedding night was "okay". I just think that we didn't know her as well and so we weren't as attached. It didn't hit in quite the same way. That's all.
Just the realization that Nikki and Steven are going into Game of Thrones with a completely open mind, no spoilers from books, no theories talked to death in forums leading up to episodes and seasons, I as a fan of them, it's going to be so sweet when they discover things without spoilers and rumors to ruin their experience.
@spirittammyk Exactly! And that is how we like to keep it.
I'm just gonna say, I have cried only once for Game of Thrones, and I am betting Steven will shed man tears for the same thing.
Jorah is significantly more moody than Bronn, but him and Tyrion still make a pretty good team.
"I live to serve" *under breath* "myself"
You guys talking about letting episodes marinate in your minds and then after some time, things start to click, but sometimes risk over-analyzing and spoiling things for yourself.... I remember seeing an interview with a well renowned director/producer, can’t for the life of me remember who, but someone who’s work you’d know... they were talking about how Netflix and binge watching is changing how TV is consumed vs traditional weekly episodes. Their concern with binge watching is it robs you of the time between episodes, for you to fully absorb them and think and talk about them, and invariably form different opinions than you had right after you originally watched the episode. It was a real interesting take, from their perspective... but personally I’ll stick to the binge watching. It’s nice to catch up on a years old series like you guys are doing. You get to connect the dots and appreciate call backs to previous episodes and seasons that are fresh in your mind because you recently saw them, whereas in normal TV you’d never remember the smaller details from episodes you saw years ago. These days I purposely wait until seasons finish before I watch them. Except GOT of course...
Steven: Long episodes, but less episodes.
Stannis: Fewer.
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22:55 I don't know what was the most disturbing fact from that especific moment: Theon in his young life dreamed one day he would have sansa's hand in marriage or that Jon Snow, her "only'' survived brother, could have left her on her own at the hands of a butcher like Ramsay?
Best 3 days of the week with you two (my angels).
I can’t wait until you are both fully caught up because I will rewatch all your reactions and create the greatest drinking game yet every time you say oh my god take a shot and every time Steven says Jon Snow in that voice and Nikki roles her eyes 2 shots. Another great reaction from you two
I knew this would be a really difficult one for you guys. It was so horrible to watch. It's just heartbreaking because we've watched Sansa grow and seen her go through so much. And we know what a horrible person Ramsay is.
I send you hugs. They're virtual, but they're all I've got.
There was a huge controversy over Sansa's scene for a couple of reasons. One of them was that they cut to Theon and people were saying that made it all about him instead of Sansa. But I disagree. I absolutely think the focus is still on Sansa and Theon is basically all of us watching/hearing this happen. Fantastic performance from Alfie, btw.
Yes it didn't make it about Theon! It was an obvious reflection of her pain probably even better than she would have portrayed it . And yes Alfie is under appreciated I feel he is waaaay too good in this scene/role
Been binge-watching this show with you guys, three years after the fact and enjoying your efforts at editing and reacting. It's been a fun ride so far. Found your channel from your "Walking Dead" reactions. I call it a "Viewer's Digest" version of Game of Thrones.
The Arya/many faced god story is the most interesting one imo. Its so mysterious that it just engages us when we clearly dont understand anything thats going on or what it even means. In any other show, this could be very boring but not in GOT.
Fun fact about Theon: After Roberts Rebellion, Balon Greyjoy (theonsfather) wouldn't bend the knee to Robert. This was called the Greyjoy Rebellion. So Robert sent Stannis to attack Balons fleet because their greatest power was their ships. As Jaimie mentioned in season 1, Thoros of Myr ran into Pyke with a flaming sword, he was referring to the greyjoy rebellion. Anyway, theons brothers were killed and then Balon gave in. But as a failsafe in case Balon ever rebelled again, Robert made Ned take Theon and grow him up at Winterfell so if Balon ever rebelled Ned would have to execute Theon. I doubt he would though, but we will never find out now. That's why Theon refers to himself as a Stark prisoner is season 2!
25:30 Remember what Joffrey did with those whores? And all his threats that he would rape Sansa? "How would you like that?... You wouldn't? That's alright, Ser Mandon and Sir whatever will hold you down" Not sure he would have been better.
Ser Mandon, I think it was?
Erick Knutz. Corrected it. Thanks :)
He wouldn't have been any better Definitely Ramsey is a piece of shit but at least he does his own evil deeds himself he doesn't order someone else do it for him . Not that this makes him a better anything but still important to know the difference in savagery lol
Wow...where do we go from here? Jaimie/Bronn in Dorne, Jorah & Tyrion in Essos, arya stuck in Bravos, Jon at the wall trying to figure stuff out, Kings landing in chaos (thanks to Cersei), poor Sansa suffering at Winterfell (thanks to Little Finger), and Dany marrying some "hack", what va mess!!...Always enjoy your post...TC
This episode received controversy for Ramsey's scene despite the fact that is something Ramsey would do.
3:39 Davos told Gendry to follow the coast; Dragonstone is _an island;_ the obvious conclusion is indeed that he's still rowing. :D
1 point for you !
Just in time for a late lunch! Yes.
Usually I would freak when a reaction channel this good gets close to the end of GOT but there are still amazing shows for you to watch ::))
Yes! I’ve been waiting!😍
You guys are so awesome for keeping us up to date with your scheduling! Looking forward to Tuesday :)
The Ramsey & Sansa scene is still hard to watch.
Arya was hit when she said she hated him (the hound).
Yes past tense so technically she didn't lye lol
Bear Island knows no King but the King in the North whose name is Stark - the Boltons are doomed, the North Remembers
Hi, Lady Lyanna, it's great that the North still has a House leader as loyal as you!!
Someone make a gif of Nikki rolling her eyes
Behind every great man is a woman rolling her eyes lol
@@TheMaskedChef7 If I just had a Dollar for every time I rolled my eyes at my boyfriend xD
Age Of The Witch Wise words. Maester Aemon would be proud.
oh that is soooo true
Great reaction! Loved that you mentioned the scene with Drogon! Now Jorah and Tyrion are Meeren bound and I am STOKED for you guys to see Tyrion meet Dany! See you in episode 7!
Hes still rowing LMAO
Would definitely love the last 4 episodes done next week, you guys get that done and you have one more patreon for sure.
Don't be mad at Tommen, he's even younger in the books and he has no idea what is he doing, being manipulated by Margaery and Cersei.
Yes!!
Exactly, it is almost shocking how people try to blame Tommen for everything. The first advice Tommen ever received was to listen to his counsellors, from Tywin. Tommen was raised to follow as Cersei states to Ned in season 1, that is the task of the second son. Cersei, and even Margaery to an extent, are so interested in power that they completely overwhelm Tommen. All of them are only interested in their own needs. Cersei is the worst, in her search for power she allows Tommen to be humiliated and undermined. She is the root cause of all these problems.
Jarin but this isn’t the books it’s the show. I absolutely agree that it’s unfair to blame Tommen in the books: he’s like, 8. However, Tommen in the show is WAY too old to be as foolish and ineffective as he is. He’s having sex with Margaery and it’s not being written as rape, which means he’s an adult. He should know better and honestly I am completely unsympathetic to Show!Tommen
Amen to that. I hate when people bitch about Tommen when the blame should go almost entirely to Cersei and to a lesser extent Margaery. Had they left well enough alone, Tommen could be a wonderful king who's generous and kind to his people. He certainly is the first king since the Mad King's father, Jaeherys II, who actually gave a single shit about the people of Westeros.
But no, of course, Cersei fucks everything up and it's TOMMEN'S fault. Whatever.
1. They could be mad at whoever they want to be mad at in the show.
2. This is the show, not the books, therefore his age in the book is 100% irrelevant in this context.
3. Tommen quite literally has all the power in the world to put the high sparrow in a cell but he doesn't out of stupidity.
Just wanted to stop by and say that you two are amazing! I subscribed to your channel just this past weekend and have already caught up today to all of your GOT reactions. Watching your videos helps make my drive to and from work way more enjoyable, Thank you so much! Keep it up, and keep keepin it real! Can't wait to see more! Thanks again.
Do what works best for you on editing. It's all good!