How Not to Be Wrong: The Power of Mathematical Thinking - with Jordan Ellenberg

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  • The maths we learn in school can seem like a dull set of rules, laid down by the ancients and not to be questioned. Jordan Ellenberg shows how wrong this view is through stories that show the power of mathematical thinking.
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    Maths touches everything we do, allowing us to see the hidden structures beneath the messy and chaotic surface of our daily lives. Maths is the science of not being wrong, worked out through centuries of hard work and argument.
    Jordan Ellenberg is a professor of Mathematics at University of Wisconsin, and the 'Do the Math' columnist at Slate. His book 'How not to be wrong: The hidden mathematics of everyday life' was be published in June 2015.
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  • @afihaileywibowo1095
    @afihaileywibowo1095 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm reading his book as we speak - amazing book, I feel my confidence drops realizing people are so smart, but I enjoy it nevertheless. And as simple as it is, it took me a while to grasp about the armor bullet plane analogy. I realized it's in the language, or my lack of English understanding thereof. Prof. Ellenberg said quoting Wald: "You have to put the armor where the bullet is not". I spin my head around it. I understand, but not that fully understand like Aha! So after a while I rephrase: You have to put the armor at it's (the plane) weakest, and it could be: easy to target / the biggest / the most exposed / the most vulnerable area. Bingo! Make sense to me! Where do the police put the bulletproof vest; on the body! Why not head, easily - well not that easy - targeted and exposed too, because head is smaller and you need precision. Anyway, I continue reading. This is for my note only😅

  • @tuga2112
    @tuga2112 4 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    Am i the only one that finds Jordan's enthusiasm while explaining this pretty contagious ?

    • @TheRoyalInstitution
      @TheRoyalInstitution  4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Nope, we agree.

    • @rainmaker704
      @rainmaker704 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      His enthusiasm is kinda comedic. I feel like he may be good at telling jokes. His enthusiasm makes you want to participate. I randomly found this vid but i watched the whole thing just because his enthusiasm got me excited.

    • @appleslover
      @appleslover 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, it's catchier than the cororavirus

    • @ancientswordrage
      @ancientswordrage 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      SAME!

    • @nashkairo4863
      @nashkairo4863 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      A tip: watch series on flixzone. Been using it for watching loads of movies during the lockdown.

  • @BlueSoulTiger
    @BlueSoulTiger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    The essence of Projective geometry in 2 minutes (38:39). Excellent

  • @hughjazz4936
    @hughjazz4936 4 ปีที่แล้ว +136

    "Hmm, these stories sound familiar, don't I have a book with these?" Turns out I got this guy's book.

  • @mathgasm8484
    @mathgasm8484 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    One of my professors got me to read this book and talked about it for the semester each week.

  • @demerex6510
    @demerex6510 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    He made his explanation of why/how he chose his numbers much more complicated than it really had to be. His picks were simply the set of all 3 digit combinations that include a unique pair of 2 numbers. You will see that no combination will include the same 2 numbers (i.e you wouldn't use 1,2,3 and 2,3,4). There are 7 possible combinations which is why he said to select 7 tickets. Since you only need 2 number correct in order to win, you always win. So I would imagine that the MIT students did the same thing but scaled up and that the number of possible combinations using this method matched the number of tickets the MIT group was purchasing.

    • @agcwall
      @agcwall 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Thank you. Yes. As a computer scientist his explanation infuriates me. As you generate tickets, all you need to do is track how many times you've used each number, and pick the ones that you've used the least so far. The non-Euclidean space with line intersections is interesting, but totally misses the point.

    • @deeXaeed
      @deeXaeed 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was thinking exactly the same. But I am still a beginner so I don't know.

    • @abrahamlincoln9055
      @abrahamlincoln9055 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Well. I think the " projective geometry" behind the number picking was just a gimmick to make the lecture more interesting. Maybe to make him look more intelligent. Or a marketing strategy to sell more books. You know how it goes. When people see something which seems smart and they can kind of understand they buy it. I could not find any substance in his lecture other than cheap curiosities.

    • @marko8584
      @marko8584 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And like he said,Mit guys played lottery that had better value than cost/ticket.
      So in his example-lottery the main prize should have been 7$ and deuce 3$.
      And thats how you win.

    • @peterkay7458
      @peterkay7458 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      demerex thank you that is very well explained much appreciated. I tutor physics and math but statistics was nver my thing...drove me nuts actually

  • @JumboJimbo100
    @JumboJimbo100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I not a math genius but I enjoy it. Listening to this man I get the feeling he wants to dazzel with his brilliance rather than explain what he is doing.

  • @juanamador2965
    @juanamador2965 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I read the story about James Harvey from MIT and his Random Hall strategy and Mohan Srivastava who cracked the tic tac toe scratch off lottery are My favorites.

  • @ddiehl5664
    @ddiehl5664 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Fascinating! Great lecture - thank you for uploading.

  • @kathyyoung1774
    @kathyyoung1774 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My observation has been that when using “quick picks,” the lottery appears to be set up to “share” by giving several people the same combination, thus spreading out a large winning and creating more winners with smaller amounts. Many large totals are split among several people who admit they used “quick picks.”

  • @BelalAlDroubi
    @BelalAlDroubi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    amazing topic and and super interesting book.. i will buy it and read it ASAP

  • @happy_labs
    @happy_labs 7 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    I'm really surprised to see negativity in the comments, because I spent this whole talk thinking wow this guy has a really engaging presentation style.

    • @Friek555
      @Friek555 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I got very annoyed by him yelling at me for no reason. He has a microphone, he doesn't need to yell like he does. It just makes his voice very annoying to me.

    • @MartinJohnZ
      @MartinJohnZ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like his presentation style. He sounds like he's going to burst out in laughter any time.

    • @gkess7106
      @gkess7106 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The umm, Right?, OK? are his stalling tricks so his fast speaking doesn’t slow when he has to arrange his next sentence in his mind. Training could help him with all this. Math easily flows through his mind. Slowing it to verbalize is painful to ‘watch’.

    • @mooster47
      @mooster47 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am not surprised at the undeserved negativity. It's obvious some people get a thrill out of finding fault. It's everywhere on the internet in response to virtually everything. Some people are only here for these opportunities, and the more expert the speaker or writer, the more rewarding this is for anonymous people who probably lack more positive ways to stroke their own egos. In no way is this meant to object to constructive criticism that is clearly intended to be helpful. For an example of that, see the remark by Oliv Trees above. In any case, I found Dr. Ellenberg's manner of speaking quite engaging and the subject matter much more entertaining than I expected, as a person who is generally rather maths aversive and frequently annoyed by the speech patterns of certain speakers. I'll bet the courses he teaches fill up fast. When mentally stable people encounter something they don't like on this massive smorgasbord they immediately leave in search of something else. They don't hang around to poke jabs.

    • @rudyNok
      @rudyNok 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He is annoyingly screeching and shrieking a lot. If he would speak a little calmer the talk would be much more enjoyable.

  • @doodelay
    @doodelay 7 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I'm reading it's book and he's got great wit and humor. This all becomes apparent within the first few pages. Further, he's taught me so much about mathematics.

    • @ThunderAppeal
      @ThunderAppeal 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Which indicates that you knew absolutely nothing about math.
      If I were you I wouldnt admit to what you admitted to.

    • @ReasonableForseeability
      @ReasonableForseeability 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ThunderAppeal He also wrote "I'm reading it's book" and there are two errors in the word IT'S:
      one semantic (should be HIS or HER) and one grammatical: (ITS, if Jordan is neuter).

  • @thomaskirsch2209
    @thomaskirsch2209 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    The talk is good. The book is great. I am on the 2nd read and find it to be one of the better maths books I have read. Any engineer or engineering student should get much from this book simply from the exposure to applied statistical mathematics. Thank you for a wonderful book.

    • @ravegraveyard
      @ravegraveyard 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thomas Kirsch is the book something like freakonomics?

  • @arnbrandy
    @arnbrandy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just watched it because it went into autoplay, because de title sounded a bit clickbaity... And this lecture proved to be better than I could even imagine.

  • @ananyasrivastava5128
    @ananyasrivastava5128 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Fasinating. Thank you for uploading.

  • @Blackmark52
    @Blackmark52 8 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Regarding the first story, I've heard that before, but it was a different story. It was about helmets in WWI. The generals wanted to know why wearing helmets caused so many more wounded soldiers and how to fix the problem. The analyst pointed out that dead soldiers without helmets weren't counted among the wounded.

    • @user-qo3qm7ud1d
      @user-qo3qm7ud1d 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Yeah. It is called "Survivorship bias". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

    • @TooManyBrackets
      @TooManyBrackets 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Heard this same story about Lord Blacketts operational research group in the UK....

    • @tzslungnip3843
      @tzslungnip3843 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I think if the Brits took the target off the fuselage, more pilots would come back.

    • @irrelevant_noob
      @irrelevant_noob 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Tzs Lung Nip but what if that was kind of a reverse-psychology trick, that made the enemy shoot at the target instead of other more fragile bits of the airplane? ;-)

    • @tzslungnip3843
      @tzslungnip3843 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@irrelevant_noob I think that's what they tell the new widows.

  • @ddabo4460
    @ddabo4460 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great presentation, very engaging and thought provoking , thank you RI!

  • @davewhiteatpsynthase
    @davewhiteatpsynthase 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great lecture, good students, fun time spent here.......

  • @rbrijeshy
    @rbrijeshy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I am currently reading the book, its really awesome! This video really helped land the lottery story.

  • @zenpvnk
    @zenpvnk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Great book... very entertaining read. Got it from the library, but when I finished I had to go buy a copy just to have, cus I love having cool books (especially cool math books). This is a cool one.

    • @adamkaidunnaustralia5158
      @adamkaidunnaustralia5158 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol It is so cool it's Tricy-cooled...like Billie Eilish riding around on tiny tricycle.
      Three times for emphasis? Why no love for Empha-bro though? 😂😂😂

    • @guptahaha
      @guptahaha 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@adamkaidunnaustralia5158 ugh come on

    • @adamkaidunnaustralia5158
      @adamkaidunnaustralia5158 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@guptahaha ...no, you come on, what can't feel enough to lol, so you troll on year old posts thinking they won't reply maybe? I'm sad for you bro and happy for me knowing that i can find whimsy in the small things while you get your rocks off trashing others thinking that somehow makes you a bigger person 😢😂 hope you get a life but have a great day anyway if you dont, deuschebag 😂😎👍

    • @KUniverseY
      @KUniverseY 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you have pdf?

  • @jamesrogers2963
    @jamesrogers2963 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great math lecture! Still trying to sort our the logic of why the geometry idea works on a random drawing...

    • @packrat2113
      @packrat2113 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It isn't about the geometry, it's about the possibilities.

  • @thsscapi
    @thsscapi 7 ปีที่แล้ว +315

    What's with all the comments about his "umms" in his talk?
    He's an established mathematician and a professor contributing to education. He doesn't have to give this talk, he didn't have to share his research and findings about this - he already wrote a whole book.
    All these "umms" means that he isn't great at giving talks, but he did. Perhaps, the next time you see him, he'll be giving great talks, and he'll still be a great mathematician. We all have to start somewhere. Give the guy a break.

    • @inveritategloria
      @inveritategloria 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Very naive observation at best. One CAN judge a good mathematician from the way he speaks.

    • @olivtrees8749
      @olivtrees8749 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Really great talk he's giving. But he really does need a voice coach. It's not the umms that are a problem really, it's the lack of support in his voice which is caused by shallow breath. It makes him gasp a little for air while he's speaking, makes his voice thinner and makes it more difficult for the audience to listen. If he doesn't address the problem- seeing as how he uses his projective voice daily as a teacher- he can eaily get vocal and throat problems many years down the road.

    • @conradlewis516
      @conradlewis516 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      In Veritate Gloria - I agree that listening to someone speak about a subject says a lot about their mastery of the material. However, most people cannot retain their train of thought as well in front of an audience. For instance, I know Chemistry very well and can talk with anyone one-on-one for hours about it, but get me in front of 30 - 100 people and I get too self conscious and stop thinking as clearly as I need to to carry the talk forward. So, similar to the last statements made by thsscapi, one must work to get better at thinking clearly in front of an audience.

    • @Munku81
      @Munku81 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      All these "umms" is actually a sign of quality. He doesn't need to prepare a speech and memorize is it to tell the audience about his points, he knows his topic by heart and can instantaneously compose a talk right in front of where he stands. It's like a musicican giving you a live concert instead of playing a tape.It's like a chef preparing your food right in front of you instead of getting it out the fridge.

    • @AnitaCock
      @AnitaCock 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      i totally concur! th-cam.com/video/xbwBUHgHVa0/w-d-xo.html (Michelle Obama insists that you GET UP & MOVE YOUR A$$!)

  • @Dr10Jeeps
    @Dr10Jeeps 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It would appear that the 200 or so thumbs down people are all great speakers but......not too intelligent. If you want to learn things in life sometimes you have to forget the medium and focus on the information being transmitted. Great talk. Thank you.

    • @shawnpheneghan
      @shawnpheneghan 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry, he was tough to listen too and made a huge error at the start of his "big" example. Tough to have faith in the presentation.

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    27:00 Haven't seen ahead yet, but I think I know why they filled it out by hand. For the strategy to work, they needed all different numbers.
    Having the "quick picks" would have given them tickets with the exact same number.
    Lets see if I'm right.

    • @TheDionysianFields
      @TheDionysianFields 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That was my thought too but that's not it at all.

  • @gwennoack
    @gwennoack 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This talk is GREAT! His passion is infective.

  • @niallfm4409
    @niallfm4409 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    For the second question had it been considered that if a quick pick machine picks numbers at random, so the students may have just been trying to avoid receiving multiples of the same number?

  • @rainmaker704
    @rainmaker704 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid!

  • @n-steam
    @n-steam 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    @ 8:06 the expected value of the lottery ticket is not 79.8 cents, it's 59.1 cents.
    The error is in assuming that a 'free ticket' has the value of the ticket price, when the value is actually the expected value of the ticket.
    This produces an equation like:
    n = 1/9.3 + 4/39 + 15/80 + 5/47 + n/6.8
    n-n/6.8 = 1/9.3 + 4/39 + 15/80 + 5/47
    5.8n = 6.8x(1/9.3 + 4/39 + 15/80 + 5/47)
    n = (6.8/5.8)x(1/9.3 + 4/39 + 15/80 + 5/47)
    which works out to be $0.5908...

    • @Jeff121456
      @Jeff121456 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Another interesting point is that the state does not get that $0.80 on the free tickets nor does it increase the rollover.

    • @ReasonableForseeability
      @ReasonableForseeability 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I disagree. But I guess it's debatable. Here I'd say the value is the price.
      Even if it's the expected value, we have a recursive definition because the E.V. depends on the value.
      I guess you could call it x and get a simple equation in x (which appears on both sides).

  • @tinmvn
    @tinmvn 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think like this by nature all the time. People love to attempt arguing with me and always lose quickly. Especially my family they hate me.

  • @chrisofnottingham
    @chrisofnottingham 9 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    Really interesting talk although I felt that in terms of narrative it kind of fizzled out toward the end.

    • @KarenSDR
      @KarenSDR 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The end was the exciting part, where he brought in the connection with projective geometry.

    • @lancebaker1374
      @lancebaker1374 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, narrative is important.... what is narrative?

  • @canadiannuclearman
    @canadiannuclearman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    This reminds me of the Chinese fortune cookie problem. In Canada they have a lotto called 6-49. Or in combinatronics 49 choose 6. Or 13.9 million combinations
    In many Chinese restaurants they give out fortune cookies with your bill. People would use these numbers for picking lotto numbers. Of course there was no better chance to win then using any other 6 numbers then the 6 that was on the fortune cookie. What people did not realize was the printer of the fortune cookies was lazy and they did not have a random number generator for the six numbers. So the printer printed a few thousand fortune cookies using the same 6 numbers. So purely by chance of course after many years the lotto number matching the fortune cookie came up. The lotto commission discovered many people won using the same 6 numbers and people were disappointed to share the jackpot with many others. At first the commission suspected fraud but soon found out that people were using the numbers on the fortune cookie. The commission talked to the printer and asked them to use more random numbers when printing fortune cookies. So the advise in Canada is to NOT use numbers from fortune cookies because it decreases your chance of sharing the jackpot.

    • @karljordan7114
      @karljordan7114 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same problem with RC radios. Some manufacturers seem to make radios of the same frequency in batches. Sent to stores in batches. Bought by guys in the neighborhood from the same store. . . Then the field has four other guys on your frequency and there are a dozen frequencies not being used:(

    • @irrelevant_noob
      @irrelevant_noob 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gary Lewis interesting story. Only one problem with it: the conclusion. It should rather be that using the fortune cookie numbers would INCREASE the chance of sharing a jackpot, i think you meant that it decreases the chance of getting an unshared jackpot. ;-)

    • @gangfire5932
      @gangfire5932 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So the optimal strategy is to collect a bunch of fortune cookies and DON'T use their numbers when playing the lottery.

    • @EricPena86
      @EricPena86 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gary Lewis Good thing this guy didn't listen to you www.wcvb.com/article/fortune-cookie-means-big-fortune-for-powerball-winner-1/27736099

    • @hugo3222
      @hugo3222 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gangfire5932 Yes, and DON'T use ANY numbers you did not invent yourself.
      Germany 1977: Over 200 players shared the jackpot, almost all living in the north west.
      Also Germany 1977: The same six numbers were drawn, which were drawn in the Netherlands the week before.

  • @cantavoidtrite
    @cantavoidtrite 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was great. Where is the Q & A?

  • @malaypatel1118
    @malaypatel1118 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is it possible to get same logic and diagram representation for 4 number combination for set of 1to 20?

  • @samuelstanley2454
    @samuelstanley2454 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What a unique way to teach math without numbers. That's like teaching the alphabet with numbers instead of letters

  • @venkateshbabu1504
    @venkateshbabu1504 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mathematics is huge. Integral. Line integral. Straight lines are integrated. Then surface integral. That's called plane integrals. Wave integral which are integral of wave type curves. Circle integral somewhat like circle inside a circle etc.

  • @justinjames3028
    @justinjames3028 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used to calculate the expected value of various games like keno and lottery. They were never below 1.0.
    I feel like I missed out not living in Mass and knowing this lottery existed. I feel like the roll-down would have triggered me to do the calculation on roll-down days.
    Whether or not I would have had the confidence to go out and buy a lot of tickets to make money is another matter, but my goodness there were easy millions for the taking.

  • @leeorshimhoni8949
    @leeorshimhoni8949 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You don't know that you don't know.
    What you do know, is never complete and absolute.
    Therefore, one should always assume he is ignorant.

  • @robertschlesinger1342
    @robertschlesinger1342 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video illustrating how mathematical thinking was used to beat the Massachusetts lottery.
    Please post the letter from the Massachusetts Treasurer regarding this incident, or post where one can find this letter.

    • @robertschlesinger1342
      @robertschlesinger1342 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Note that the aforementioned 25 page Letter from the Massachusetts Treasurer is available online at several websites and archives for the State of Massachusetts. Amazing but true story involving the ingenious use of mathematical thinking.

  • @johngalt517
    @johngalt517 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As soon as I realized he was saying "umm" I could no llonger really take in what he was saying. Good note for future

  • @dondake3409
    @dondake3409 6 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    wow sal's punishment is going really well!

    • @bee6418
      @bee6418 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Benny Z literally all I was thinking 😂😂

    • @Ensource
      @Ensource 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      hahahahahaha

    • @ballsense4142
      @ballsense4142 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I literally clicked on it thinking it was a punishment lol

    • @poeticflames
      @poeticflames 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @kparag01
    @kparag01 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wald has many contribution to statistics. Thanks

  • @RonDAvilar
    @RonDAvilar 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting stuff

  • @lw1391
    @lw1391 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can anyone explain to me how the diagram works @42:15 - I got the rest of the lecture without any problems, and understand in general what he was doing. But that visual abstraction really lost me, and he didn't explain it well at all.

  • @darumakabu3457
    @darumakabu3457 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was thinking about to buy the book and then watched this video. Is it his book mostly talking about lottery? I thought I can get some math things that I can use in life.

  • @DelireWeb
    @DelireWeb 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At around 3:50, I understood that he was actually talking about "rational intuition" : intellectual constructs leading to science and philosophy (real philosophy, not Oprah's "feel good" psychology for lemmings). Mathematics is a "hardcore" consequence of such constructs, a tool that we've invented to aid us for such endeavor in "materialistic" science.

    • @Hippiekinkster
      @Hippiekinkster 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      If I am reading between the lines of your post correctly, I think you would enjoy this video:
      th-cam.com/video/QLSYo_YDVVk/w-d-xo.html

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    When buying a lot of tickets, if selecting numbers randomly, how do you prevent duplication? Two tickets with the same numbers would, in effect, be paying for the same ticket twice.
    This isn't a problem when getting 5 tickets, but the chance of duplication goes up with more and more tickets.

    • @jonathanzilk6089
      @jonathanzilk6089 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Eric Taylor but why isn't it both?

    • @erictaylor5462
      @erictaylor5462 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jonathan Zilk
      Both what?

    • @jonathanzilk6089
      @jonathanzilk6089 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      oh never mind. I misread your comment.

    • @DanielSmedegaardBuus
      @DanielSmedegaardBuus 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Two identical tickets will still give each their prize. There are always duplicates in lotteries, which is why you see multiple winners sharing a jackpot.

    • @erictaylor5462
      @erictaylor5462 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Daniel Smedegaard Buus
      No not always. Also if one person buys both duplicate tickets then they are in effect the SAME ticket. Both tickets "win" but the prize is split between them. If one person gets both halves they have gotten one whole prize.

  • @husainshaikh8724
    @husainshaikh8724 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The short story he told is called survivor bias. Veritasium covered this in a very fun way.

    • @Ensource
      @Ensource 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      thanks, checking that out!

  • @Sebentheyargimachine
    @Sebentheyargimachine 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you guys have any info on how to get further knowledge on combinatorial design theory like youtube videos or tutorials, anything?

  • @robertschlesinger1342
    @robertschlesinger1342 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great story about Abraham Wald, and great video.

  • @myginfo
    @myginfo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    in the lottery example picking by hand will also give you more chances just by removing duplicates. Because two winning ticket 167 and 167 that match the numbers still only win 6 dollars so if all 7 numbers are the same and match the jackpot you are wasting the other 6 tickets. Probably not significant in real example because it assumes you win the whole jackpot on at least two tickets, so probably not worth filling in 200,000 scant ron forms.

    • @Varksterable
      @Varksterable 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not sure exactly what the maths behind the roll-down is, but picking by hand also gives the chance of choosing numbers that other people are less likely to pick, possibly giving a bigger share of the full pot.
      E.g. don't pick straight sequences. Don't pick only numbers under 31. (People have a bias towards picking birthdays) etc.

  • @chickenshieee
    @chickenshieee 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    His book was insanely good

  • @anch95
    @anch95 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm surprised the lottery organizers are so careless to not even calculate payouts, basically the first job you should have done.
    Also, in these state lotteries, does a person matching 4 also win the prize for matching 3, 2 and 1? If not, the tables are incorrect.

  • @Ozgipsy
    @Ozgipsy ปีที่แล้ว

    Best math anecdote ever.

  • @robertschlesinger1342
    @robertschlesinger1342 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent overview of how some MIT students beat the Massachusetts Lottery, taking away $millions in profits..

  • @DanicaChloe
    @DanicaChloe 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I believe the reason they controlled the numbers selected was to make finding the winning tickets easier.

    • @MrJackpots
      @MrJackpots ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We need more upvotes on this answer, because it's actually the right one and this guys speech is horribly ironic given the title. Lotteries are completely random which means it doesn't matter which numbers are chosen since they all have the same probability of being the winning numbers.

  • @granand
    @granand 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Regarding the Book ..can a layman understand the maths in the books ..does it have references ..

  • @toolhog10
    @toolhog10 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent and interesting talk. For more on the Euclid's parallel line axiom, search "Ditching the fifth axiom."

  • @anikyt7570
    @anikyt7570 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    isn't probability or permutation & combination help to solve lottery problem ?

  • @historion
    @historion 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not what I expected from the title but fun and interesting... as expected from someone talking about how to win the lottery jackpot.

  • @lancebaker1374
    @lancebaker1374 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 0:43 "...about a mathematician named Abraham Wald who was a mathematician..."

    • @MrLittlelionman
      @MrLittlelionman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ...... “who was a mathematician that...” he was explaining who he was and what the situation was!!!! As in........ “Lance Baker is a bell end, .......a bell end who interrupts other people’s sentences and anecdotes because he craves attention and acceptance from his peers. Go watch something more on your level i.e. Teletubbies, button moon or challenge yourself and try Johnny Ball’s “think of a number” whilst struggling to come to terms with your social inadequacies knob cheese. ❤️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿❤️

  • @David-tp7sr
    @David-tp7sr 8 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Interesting talk, but the title is misleading.

    • @itellyouforfree7238
      @itellyouforfree7238 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, it isn't. This combinatorial design is precisely to devise a strategy to avoid losing (meaning that all your guesses of the lottery extraction were wrong). If you follow such a strategy, your bets will be "correct" in a precise sense, as opposed to being "wrong".

    • @anch95
      @anch95 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@itellyouforfree7238 Depends on how you define misleading, I think "inept" is a better word.

  • @bendanonfawkes4189
    @bendanonfawkes4189 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    with the lottery game i used, 123 - 234 - 345 - 456 - 567 - 167 - 256. the "random" numbers chosen were 5,6,7--1,6,7--2,4,5--1,3,4--.
    Jordan talks about geometry and intersecting lines as a way to guarantee which sequence of numbers will be picked,
    based off of Jordan's triangle you have the triangle base ____ 1,2,3. right side you have \ 3,5,7 and left side u have / 1,6,7 with 4 being in the center.
    if you change the points of intersection with a random number from 1-7 u are not guaranteed the same result.
    example being, triangle base ____ 7,6,5. right side \ 5,4,3. left side / 3,2,7 and the central number being 1.
    so my question is.. why and how are the numbers at the intersecting points chosen and why cant they be random?

  • @shawnheneghan4110
    @shawnheneghan4110 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the calculation of the expected value for the Mass Lottery, you used $2/6.8 for the contribution of winning a free ticket. But a free ticket isn't worth $2. As a first order estimate - as you point out - the ticket is worth 80 cents. Using simple feedback loop reveals the true value of a ticket as $0.59.

    • @jimmonte9826
      @jimmonte9826 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      What a coincidence! This video was published almost 4 years ago, and yours is the only comment I saw about it. I noticed the same thing only one day later. I computed the same return of 59.09 cents per ticket.

    • @jimmonte9826
      @jimmonte9826 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oops. I saw another person catch it 5 months ago. Search does not fully work in these comments.

  • @peterskove3476
    @peterskove3476 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hmm, but are we not gambling on the odds of the variation? How do you calculate that? That would be the odds right?

  • @arpitguptag
    @arpitguptag 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about getting the number as "111" in that case you have all deuce..I hope lottery example outcome is 10P7 not 10C7. Considering repetition is allowed.

    • @cleetose
      @cleetose 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Repetition is not allowed in the lottery, at least not in the US. So something like 111 would not be possible in his simplified lottery.

  • @Lyanraw
    @Lyanraw ปีที่แล้ว

    Super interesting. Although i think Jordan doesn't understand sterling. Dollars then corrected himself to Euros?

  • @joshinils
    @joshinils 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ive got his book for my birthday.. Neat!

  • @paxdriver
    @paxdriver 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fun talk, he should do more.

  • @barathvenkatachalam7068
    @barathvenkatachalam7068 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice 👍

  • @yves7778
    @yves7778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He really loves that lottery game. 😂😂

  • @acetate909
    @acetate909 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Nerds broke the lottery. I love that story so much.

    • @TheDionysianFields
      @TheDionysianFields 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Except they didn't. They made the state a lot of money.

  • @dustinking2965
    @dustinking2965 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is there a Q&A for this video?

  • @85Spawn85
    @85Spawn85 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who wouldn't want to hear about the most wonderful languaje that we have!?!

  • @alanhaisley4870
    @alanhaisley4870 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Obviously this is a case of selling below cost and making it up on the volume. :)

  • @lurker1973
    @lurker1973 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is the most happy mathematician in the world. I can't even imagine this guy gets ever saddened. I hope he doesn't do this during sex or on a funeral.

  • @sejalb725
    @sejalb725 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Please don’t hate on him. It’s a misunderstanding. The title doesn’t explain that the title is the name of his book, so it basically half clickbait. That’s why he is talking about his book. The book is actually great!

    • @bastiat6865
      @bastiat6865 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd prefer the book over his lecture, until he gets some coaching on presentation.

    • @ReasonableForseeability
      @ReasonableForseeability 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've never heard the expression "hate on", versus plain "hate". Where are you from?

  • @kiddiescripterkiller
    @kiddiescripterkiller 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the other speakers used the airplane story... can't remember the other one... watched too many so far...

  • @ryanvelazquez1231
    @ryanvelazquez1231 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Even with the math I know, I am sure that I know that I'm unsure of everything

    • @Hippiekinkster
      @Hippiekinkster 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's a good thing. If you were sure about everything, you'd be just like Donald Trump... wrong about everything.

    • @missionpupa
      @missionpupa 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Hippiekinkster He was successful in business, then t.v. then was able to win a presidential candidate. Maybe you should think about that statement. Maybe he is only wrong in your eyes, just because he doesnt have your political view doesnt mean hes wrong.

    • @adamkaidunnaustralia5158
      @adamkaidunnaustralia5158 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I used to be like that too. I did not believe in belief itself, so could not believe a I did not believe either or that it existed or did not. If you are unsure that you are sure about being unsure, my advice is to focus on increasing your information for analysis and in preparation for any possible outcome, whether it exists or not is irellevant I know now, your unsure feelings are valid but not as important as your drive and focus to pursue the best ways to learn and retain what you have learned. Learn as much as is possible instead of seeking assurance or truth primarily, and if you feel like you've reached a point where you can go no further then you can start learning how to do impossible things like being able to ignore limited ideas, where things being labelled with terms such as assurance or the lack of it are irrelevant, you don't need to be sure or believe to act on things as you might understand if you feel somewhat like I did... just act on your desires and if you find yourself desireless at some point then you'll better understand the value of feelings and actions anyway. Most will never know what it's like and will never appreciate or focus enough on just feeling happy in the moment or how their sadness or anger means they still have hope and a desire too better their circumstances some way or another. If you ever dispair then just act on basic instinct at that point, lisyen to your body and spirit more, they will guide your conciousness well if it has been trained and filled with useful infornation they can use to force you to instinctually improve your circumstances. Anyway that was my experience and journey i chose to take for years which led me to an Absolutely irrefutable discovery in the end, it was rough for a long time but it was worth the indecisive and unsure feelings all the more in the end. Until you are absolutely sure it's wise to be unsure and assume nothing and remove as much bias as possible. Although I might tell my younger self to not form too many ill concieved habitual routines if I ever speak to him again, not because I regret having had them but because I'm curious to know how things would've played out and if any signifucant differences occur lol

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    18:00 "The State knows who is winning." Not necessarily. The State has the information on who is winning, but unless someone who has the big picture looks at the information then the State doesn't know anything.
    Remember, not all of the winning tickets are coming from the same store. Everyone who plays has the same chance of winning, so you are selling winning tickets from all the stores. You need someone who knows how many winning tickets are coming from each store AND you need someone who can see that these three stores are selling a lot more tickets than the others. *THEN* that person needs to understand what these three stores have in common.

  • @Darius.f
    @Darius.f 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    got the jackpot!

  • @DonaldSleightholme
    @DonaldSleightholme 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve just realised something about fire it could be used as mathematical binary base-2 number..🔥

  • @onderozenc4470
    @onderozenc4470 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The most practical way to win in the lottery is to play the same most probable numbers in each draw for a long time.

  • @RanBlakePiano
    @RanBlakePiano 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice

  • @ElenaKomleva
    @ElenaKomleva 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WAIT!! So why does it make sense to fill in lots of tickets by hand and not automatically?? I missed that part. Did someone invent an algorithm to pick random numbers that is more likely to win a lottery than mere chance?

    • @VineyKumar
      @VineyKumar 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      No. The idea is that every combination of tickets has the same expected value (long run average amount of money you're going to make). However, some combinations can reduce the amount of risk (variance) more than others! Essentially, the MIT students were borrowing money, so they didn't want to EVER risk losing lots of money. So what they did was come up with a particular combination of tickets that (under the cash winfall rules) essentially guaranteed that they would make money by winning lots of minor prizes every time. The side effect was that it gave them less of a chance at winning the jackpot. The average amount of money they made would be the same regardless of what tickets they picked, but the MIT handpicked ticket combinations ensured they made steady returns rather than having more of a chance to lose money in each individual drawing. Hence all the advanced maths to come up with their handpicked numbers was used to guarantee the same return with less risk of a bad outcome. Of course, todays lotteries have a negative expected value, so using a strategy like that wouldn't help you win a normal lottery anyway- but it really helps in the Cash Winfall situation.

  • @kaen888
    @kaen888 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    interested to what the plane looks like with the 47 lottery numbers

  • @loser-nobody
    @loser-nobody 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes but just how many *um*s can one expect to hear in 48 minutes?
    I think we hit the jackpot here!

    • @NoriMori1992
      @NoriMori1992 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bertie Blue That's an unfair and false dichotomy. I was very interested and watched the whole thing. The "um"s still bothered me. The two are not mutually exclusive.

    • @loser-nobody
      @loser-nobody 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      My comment was supposed to be a mathematical conundrum, though I can see why that wasn't perceived. It's been too long since I've seen the video but towards the end of it I started to ponder the probability of the word "um" being said in a prepared speech.
      Maybe if the speaker spent more of the 48 minutes talking in math I'd be distracted enough, like yourself, to not have any time to wander off topic.
      How unhelpful this is the first notification I get of any replies here...

  • @TheAperunk
    @TheAperunk 8 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    The subtitles are either computer generated or done by an extremely drunk person.
    While not being of much help, they are amusing.

    • @TheRoyalInstitution
      @TheRoyalInstitution  8 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      These are indeed TH-cam's auto generated subtitles. We are planning to transcribe all of our videos so that the subtitles would actually be useful rather than a strange experience in surrealist art. Most of our short videos are now transcribed but we don't currently have the resources to finish the longer ones! If you find time to lend a hand then it would be much appreciated - th-cam.com/users/timedtext_video?v=kZTKuMBJP7Y&ref=share

    • @michealroth120800
      @michealroth120800 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Math is the universal language, if you didn't have it, you wouldn't have the words on your screen, or the computer itself XD

    • @nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489
      @nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      "universal human language"... You don't know what language the universe speaks.

    • @AnitaCock
      @AnitaCock 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 , BINARY! The TRUE UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE! th-cam.com/video/OD7AkvTV0dM/w-d-xo.html Or rather, FROM THE FUTURE!!! th-cam.com/video/sRYl1WAIitE/w-d-xo.html

  • @abdullahalmosalami2801
    @abdullahalmosalami2801 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gonna get the book right now.

  • @manino2
    @manino2 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do not much about math. I guess flight model matters are related somehow to trygonometry.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigonometry

  • @MrMZaccone
    @MrMZaccone 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Why didn't the state do anything about it? Because state employees are seldom M.I.T. graduates.

    • @ameremortal
      @ameremortal 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Edmond Dantez I smell corruption too. Shame!

    • @MrMZaccone
      @MrMZaccone 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ameremortal Heinlein's razor - Never attribute to malice what can be accounted for by simple stupidity.

    • @ameremortal
      @ameremortal 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Edmond Dantez I doubt the people who profit from running the lottery are stupid. People looking for a hack will not stop at anything. But for something like this to happen, you need corruption...

  • @agcwall
    @agcwall 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You don't need any weird geometry to hedge your bets on the lottery tickets, this overcomplicates things dramatically. You just need to avoid picking the same numbers too much and not picking other numbers enough. As a programmer, I find this natural... as you generate tickets, just keep track of how many times you've picked each number, and always pick from the least-picked ones.

    • @alfredhitchcock45
      @alfredhitchcock45 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He just wants to make things complicated

    • @justinjames3028
      @justinjames3028 ปีที่แล้ว

      I feel like you wouldn't have to buy hundreds of thousands of tickets to get into a position where the standard deviation around the expected value was acceptably low - especially if taking the long-term approach.

  • @anthonyholder3130
    @anthonyholder3130 ปีที่แล้ว

    can 22 numbers work with that formula

  • @jorgenorberto293
    @jorgenorberto293 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That moment at 24:25 ... Made me laugh. "...You are the house!!"

  • @justinportillo242
    @justinportillo242 8 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    This looks like Sal from Impractical Jokers!

    • @aristosxanthus514
      @aristosxanthus514 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      sounds like Berry from the Bee movie.

    • @zenmaster7927
      @zenmaster7927 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Justin Portillo thinking same thing

    • @XxMrRoachxX
      @XxMrRoachxX 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      omfg I was not the only one thinking that :D

    • @thushar0000
      @thushar0000 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I actually clicked on this video looking for this comment

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hardly any of the planes that come back hardly ever have bullet holes in the pilot, therefore, pilots are hardly ever hit when the plane is shot at.
    The thing is, when the pilot ends up with bullet holes the planes hardly ever get back.

  • @davidjames1684
    @davidjames1684 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Expected, value IS what one would expect, however on average. So why not just use the term average expected value instead?

  • @kevin._.27
    @kevin._.27 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice, i'm going to keep my eye on the lottery in my state now.

  • @___xyz___
    @___xyz___ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    28:11 those are permutations, no?

    • @ReasonableForseeability
      @ReasonableForseeability 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No, they are combinations. In permutations, the order counts. There are 210 perms.
      35x6=210. Each comb. gives 6=3! perms: ABC ACB BAC BCA CAB CBA

  • @sanfordmichelojr7350
    @sanfordmichelojr7350 ปีที่แล้ว

    His voice sounds like Sal Khan from Khan Academy