Robert Schumann: Symphony No. 3 in E-flat major "Rhenish", op. 97 (1850)
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- 0:00 Lebhaft
9:03 Scherzo. Sehr mässig
15:45 Nicht schnell
21:10 Feierlich
28:02 Lebhaft
Score video of Schumann's Rhenish symphony. Text by Blair Johnston.
Schumann's "Rhenish" Symphony, the Symphony No. 3 in E flat major, Op. 97, is so called because it was written in the fall of 1850 during the composer's tenure as conductor at Düsseldorf on the famous Rhine river. In a letter to the publisher N. Simrock in 1851 Schumann claimed that the history and spirit of that noble river and its people were running through his mind as he composed the work. The Symphony was less successful at its premiere in February 1851 (under the composer's direction) than had his two previous symphonic premieres had been. Although third in number, the "Rhenish" is actually Schumann's final entry in the genre, the forthcoming Symphony No. 4 in D minor, Op. 120, having been originally composed in 1841.
The heroic main theme of the opening Lebhaft is laced with hemiolas that transform its basic 3/4 time into larger bars of 3/2. A second theme in G minor is offered by the oboe and clarinet before being taken over by the violins. The astute listener will have noticed a keen similarity between the rhythmic outline of Schumann's main theme and that of the main theme to the opening movement of Johannes Brahms' Symphony No. 3 in F major. This similarity is enhanced even further during the transition to the second theme in the recapitulation, when the figure is played out with precisely the same intervallic content as the later Brahms melody -- just one example of the deep and abiding influence Schumann's music had on his younger associate. Schumann incorporates the jovial Rheinweinlied (Rhine-wine Song) into the Scherzo, which, as in the Second Symphony, appears as the second rather than the more traditional third movement. The solid C major foundation is shaken up briefly by the A minor Trio (although, rather stubbornly, the bass continues to putter around on low C). Perhaps the most fascinating aspect of the "Rhenish" Symphony is the interpolation of an extra movement. Marked Feierlich (Solemn), the movement originally carried the inscription, "in the manner of an accompaniment to a solemn ceremony." The Finale is a robust outburst (marked, like the first movement, Lebhaft) which recalls some of the main theme from the fourth movement before plunging into a final burst of joyful E flat.
Wolfgang Sawallisch & Staatskapelle Dresden
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It's a hell of a first movement. Very underrated piece, so thanks for the upload!
One of the best movements in symphonic history (along with the 4th movement). Schumann's and Mendelssohn's symphonies are extremly underrated.
@@AvntXardE Absolutely!
Subestimada por quienes? Seguramente los que envidian el arte alemán en su mas alta expresión. Por estos lados sabemos bien lo magistral de esta obra, (y de muchas otras de Roberto Schumann.
Along with the openings of Beethoven 5th symphony or Brahms 4th symphony, it belongs to the top tier of the best symphonic music ever written. I like to mention Elgar symphony 1 and Bruckner symphony 4, because they both have beautiful passages in the 1st movement, the whole movements deliver similar quality throughout.
Would have liked it a bit more emphasis on the beat in 1st mvmnt.
This is probably the most quintessential symphony for romantic era music. Especially the turn from the haunting and tragic 4th movement towards the proud and triumphant 5th movement, there's a sense of raw emotion and heroism throughout this symphony. I'm really shocked how underrated this work is.
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Underrated? Due to the reasons you've mentioned, it is one of the most widely-known works in the whole symphonic repertoire
This is the GREATEST performance of the Rhenish I've ever heard!!!! I had no idea Sawallisch had it in him to conduct like this. Whew!
Indeed, micromanagement in a positive sense!
He also had one of the best recordings of Schubert 9, in a youtube score video conveniently enough
From 14:27 - 14:54 is simply amazing. I can't even describe what it makes me feel. But it's wonderful.
Great music, visionary! And super execution from Staatskapelle Dresden under Sawallisch; One of the best versions in disc. I love this music! One time l travelled by train in all Rheinische region, and seeing the panorams of the valley , it came in my mind Schumann's music❤️
Absolutely my favorite of Schumann's symphonies. And so much fun to follow via the score. Thank you so much for putting this together for all to enjoy.
the melody is always wonderful
Since you like it, I recommend you to listen to some of his Kate works piano music. They’re quite good as well, give it a try then
This recording is majestic. I have a new standard to base on now. Thank you!
I have known this piece for years and by looking at the score I've just realised the horn line in 33:14 is supposed to be 2 layers... not to mention the third time reiterated by the bassoons which... only the bassoonists would know cos it's absolutely drowned in everything else!
Typical of the thickness of Schumann's scoring in some passages. That is why conductors ususally retouch it. Szel, fanatic of clarity and tranparent texture, famously did. Would bé interesting to listen to the way hé managed through the spots you mention.
The basses have it too, in doubled notes
Extraordinaire. Merci Mateus pour nous avoir proposé cette magnifique symphonie avec l' une des plus belles interprétations.
第一乐章- 带有无法止住水流的欢乐海洋
0:11 主题
1:29 次主（一个g小调开头的片段）像是一个悲伤的小小岛
第二乐章-处于遥远C大调的奇怪缓慢谐谑曲
9:04 主题//流畅的舞蹈 Темп по-немецки «довольно сдержанно
10:04 谐谑//主题的第二个元素
10:49 与法国号的美妙三重奏 a-moll 与法国号/三度管风琴的点
12:14 交响乐发展
14:30 尾声在缩减的重复之后的末尾节日高潮кода с развитием и праздничной кульминацией
第三乐章-慢三部曲的雅致诗歌
16:45 A
17:51 B
18:33 C
17:00 D
19:34 E
20:04 F
第四乐章-德国节日的节奏/庄严的伟大/巴洛克元素和众赞元素
21:45 A（4/4 ）
23:30 B（3/2）赋格
25:45 在末尾响起了两次众赞小号宏伟的声音25:45
第五乐章-快速结局的体裁
31:39 这个众赞高潮预示着晚期浪漫的史诗交响曲
Will add this to my playlist beside the performance, thanks for providing those handy time marks in the description.
That is one of my favourite symphonies! Absolutely brilliant from start to finish. Schumann is so underrated but he was a masterful composer and could write the hell out of a piece. As he did with the unbelievably shithot symphony! Great upload!
Schumann's four symphonies rank with those of Schubert and Brahms as the finest in the Romantic era. What's amazing is how original each one of them sounds. The second and third are my favorites-- so beautiful and so expressive
Fine performance of this great symphony. Sawallisch is one of my favourite conductors. He has excellent judgement in making the music dramatic without theatricality and dynamic without exaggerated contrasts of tempo.
If Beethoven underused the brass and Wagner overused the brass, Schuman found the goldilocks situation.
Who said I underused the brass??
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@@heresyhunters Heresy!
Beethoven French horn parts are as difficult as any other composer’s, then or since. 3-9 are all extremely challenging. Trumpet parts are awful. Trombone seems like snooze too.
LvB still lived in time of natural horns and trumpets, so his writing for them is not much different from that of Mozart or Haydn
Romantic symphonies are so good… they are almost all masterpieces and I love them.
I dont understand this comment
@Dylonely do you mean like classic synphonies are harder to appreciate and understand ?
@@Hyde2997 No
@@Dylonely42 then ? Symphonies in general ?
@@Hyde2997 Oui
Wow, I do hear Willow's theme song in this piece. Its unmistakable.
shut up
@@fredericchopin6445 or what??
I hate to say it, but the film industry gained something when the world lost James Horner. He was a godawful hack. Even other composers that shamelessly stole, like John Williams, did so more artfully than him. At least when John ripped off Stravinsky, the mood and notes were altered enough to make it appropriate for the monotony of the desert, which fit the scene. Horner was so rarely original that he ended up copying himself on those occasions.
@@CrazyHorseInvincible When did Williams rip off Stravinsky
@@danwroy Listen to The Rite of Spring: Part Two: The Sacrifice: Introduction. You can hear a near duplication of this in A New Hope. I can't remember if it's before or after R2 is captured by the sand people, but it's so unmistakable that you're likely to recognize it without even having to rewatch the movie.
21:10 Esto es muy hermoso, me encanta, me transporta a un mundo mágico
Dear Mateus, it's beautiful. Do you know if I can use Nicht Schnell for a video? Are the music rights expired? Thank you very much.
¡¡Cuánta elegancia y distinción!! Al primer compás se siente todo... y que decir de los demás movimientos... ¡¡Una verdadera belleza fuera de este mundo!!
I love so much the Scherzo
I know this part very well. I'm raised with German television and it was the start-tune of a particulair television program I've forgotten.
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@@ssob04 thanks. Brings back nice memories of Hier und Heute
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The opening is like an explosive, life-affirming version of the opening of Beethoven's Eroica. Clearly the choice of Eb major for the 3rd symphony was an intentional homage to Beethoven. Likewise, Brahms would quote this movement in his own third symphony. The third movement here seems to have been inspired by the second movement of Beethoven's Pathetique. Brahms would quote 17:29 in the second movement of his third piano sonata.
Thanks!
Oh, he is so tender and sweet🥰
00:10 The start which fits well exactly
21:10 heavenly
05:44 Is this Schumann's version of Beethoven's _Eroica_ "wrong" horn entry (even the same key!)?
definitely some inspiration from Handel here...Still, I like this symphony...
Second movement looks like Peter and the Wolf from prokofiev and the very first notes of first movement looks like the The Auryn Happy Flight from never ending story movie.
The trumpet part is low to play. How does the player manage it?
The trumpet part (as well as the horn parts) are in Eb, so it may look low on paper but in playing is in the typical range.
I can clearly hear Wagnerian elements in it xD Was Wagner inspired by Schumann?
if we die and never listened to Schumann,oh how worthless the life was.
Quanto mi ha ispirato Robert...😄
Love it when it takes off fast with gusto. I'd have made it a bit more forceful emphasizing the beat.
Nice
that counterpoint on the fourth movement...
*A Nelwin Farmer/learning Sorcerer to be:* "MADMARTIGAN HELP!!!!!!!!"
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God bless Robert Schumann and grant him eternal peace!
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Well, Horner certainty didn't rip this off at all for Willow lol
Schumann best symphony?
I don’t know, but it’s my favourite
21:10 🔴🟠🟡🟢🔵🟣🟤⚪⚫
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4th movement sound scary.
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Some of the sequences sounds like themes from the movie willow
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Who know the orchestration here?
14:54-15:03 Beethoven?
Oh that is from him?! xD
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Never was sure how this legend started of Schumann being a bad orchestrator. Not as good as Mahler (who was probably the best ever), but even Mahler changed very little when he reorchestrated Schumann. Schumann uses a bit too much doubling in the winds, does not keep the "choirs" separate, it's a bit heavy-handed...but certainly not bad! Want to hear bad 19th century orchestration? The Chopin piano concertos...
El mejor fue Beethoven y era absolutamente alemán. Schumann es el que sigue, y luego Mahler.
Schumann and Mahler are from totally different period and it cannot be compared like that. But yes, I would say Schumann is not bad at all, just average, the standard average of early-mid romantic peripd austro germanic orchestration, similar to beethoven and brahms. So if someone consider schuamnn has bad orchestration, I would tell them, well, beethoven and brahms are at a similar level also. For Mahler, he is not the best orchestrator certainly, considering the era he lived in. His orchestration is not the most delicate indeed. Berlioz, Wagner, Richard Strauss, they are the best orchestrators.
@@Sibethoven I'd say that Brahms was a much better orchestrator than Schumann. The Schumann symphonies are very dense, much more so than the Brahms symphonies. Brahms focused more on individual timbre, especially in the winds (see most of Brahms 4, Brahms 1 2nd movement, Brahms 3, Serenades).
@@CalebRen yea he should be doing better than schumann because his works are several decades after schumann. But i would say he just do a little bit better. His orchestration is extremely similar to schumann and not any better because he directly learns from schumann for writing for an orchestra. Brahms has a rough orchestration, he often groups the winds into unison, many doublings, just like schumann exactly. The examples you raised are some moments with solo winds with strings accompaniment, it doesnt help that the orchestration is still rough. Schumann has many similar examples also, ii of his 4th, iii of his 3rd, etc...but overall they are rough. Brahms does not use the orchestra to make any sound effect at all. And if you read the score, schumann is not doing any worse then composers from the same period (except for the genius like berlioz), but brahms is not doing so well in orchestration comparing with composers from his time (wagner, tchaikovsky, ). Imagine like brahms finished his 4th and it was like a 1850s symphony in the 1880s. You mentioned his 4th, but if you read the score, for the whole first movement most of the time all the woodwinds are playing the same voice😂😂. But several years later mahler already produced his 1st, and it sounds like there is a gap with several decades in between.
@@Sibethoven Dude what the hell are you on about? The quality of orchestration has nothing to do with the time period of a composer. There obviously have been progressive developments in technique but "later" does not mean "better." Mozart's Symphony 41 to name just one example is often cited as iconic orchestration and he was before anyone you mentioned. I am almost certain that nobody else (no matter what their opinion of Brahms) would ascribe to the idea that Brahms "didn't orchestrate well for his era but would have been considered good had he come earlier". That is just utter nonsense.
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