13 MISTAKES to avoid when shooting film (not only for beginners)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2024
- This is the video about 13 of the most common mistakes that happen when shooting film. If you are a beginner or if you have some experience in digital (or even film) photography already, these are important pitfalls to look out for.
How many of these mistakes can you check off your list? And: Are there any mistakes you would add to the list?
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0:00 - intro
0:58 - mistake 1
2:20 - mistake 2
3:42 - mistake 3
4:39 - mistake 4
7:07 - mistake 5
10:24 - mistake 6
12:03 - mistake 7
12:45 - mistake 8
13:54 - mistake 9
15:08 - mistake 10
16:18 - mistake 11
17:08 - mistake 12
18:15 - mistake 13
19:26 - conclusion + outro
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So, how many of these mistakes can you check off already? And, are there any other common mistakes that should be added to the list?
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A note on over exposing film and under exposing digital, it’s true, except for slide film where you should expose for the high light like digital.
Oh yes, good point, thanks!
In today's world, I would go back to "negative" versus "positive" film and add that "raw digital" is positive. In both cases, there's a contrast envelope (AKA dynamic range) and by over or under exposing you can exceed that.
On a very deeply level of understanding we would discuss "gradation resolution" and "gradation compression". If subject contrast is lower than recording contrast envelope then you can choose to expose to the right or left and not loose detail. But due to the 2-log nature of digital exposure (10-log of film) you either compress highlights or open up darker zones in gradation.
Which is to say, I would not overexpose negatives if I didn't want gradation compression. Vice versa for digital.
I would rather say be as precise as possible in exposing slide film.
The negative film is more forgiving on the bright side.
Loved it. My biggest mistake.. probably forgetting rolls I shot by putting them unobvious places. As soon as you get home. Put your rolls in the same place every time so you don't tear your place apart looking for it.
And how brilliant when you find one equally ‘at random!’
Good one! I've lost at least 2 rolls that I can think of, who knows maybe even more.
Thanks Alex! :) Oh yes, super guilty of that one too. What makes it even more confusing: I usually leave the tip out when rewinding the film so that I don't have to get it out before developing. And because of that I mixed up exposed and unexposed rolls (from dubious places) more than once 😅
I almost never use the light meter on any of my cameras, whether film or digital. Using an incident light meter has been the most liberating thing I have ever done. It helped me understand light and make decisions without even touching the camera. Over time, you will notice that you will start guessing the meter settings quite often, whether indoors or outdoors. I think for beginners, a reflective light meter can turn you into a slave of the meter, as exposures are always jumping around. Furthermore, except for special occasions, light does not change every minute. Our eyes are not as good as an absolute measuring tool like a meter, but they are very good at detecting contrast and sudden light changes.
Despite being born in the era of analog photography, I have made several of the mistakes mentioned in the video. From placing the film upside down, to opening the camera before rewinding, or even changing the order of the developer and fixer in the development process. At the moment you make the mistake, it hurts deeply, but it's a learning experience that helps you grow as a photographer, and you learn a lot from the experience. An absolutely interesting video, as always. I never tire of listening to your voice; it's so relaxing. I love your videos.
Really wise words about growing as a photographer, thanks for sharing your experiences! It's true actually, I could probably make a "medium format mistakes" or "darkroom mistakes" version as well since those areas have their very own pitfalls to look out for. And thanks for your kind words too, I appreciate it :)
This is very useful for a beginner! Well done! I would add that an important mistake is to start with colour film (negative or slide) and that a beginner should start with black and white, it is cheaper to buy and forces you to focus on shadows and highlights more than colour, plus you have to develop it yourself and hopefully print it in your home darkroom! Yes that is the greatest mistake in my opinion, there is no point in shooting film if you don't develop and print, that is the beauty of a truly analog process
Karin another addition to the mistake at 7:52 is to always have a "dummy" or 'M-T' roll of the stock the camera uses, and run this through the camera you are considering purchasing, this allows you to check advance system, shutter operation, loading process (door seals, latches, etc. with a roll in, so if any misalignment occurs, you know it's either broken, or takes an obscure/ obsolete film stock). some cameras, like bronica ETRS, Mamiya 645/ RB67, etc may not work "normally" without film inside.
one other option, esp. If looking at 35 mm format, is to ask a shop to bulk load a reusable cartridge, with 4 or 5 shots, so you can test a camera before purchase.
reputable retailers also give you a 2 week 'warranty' aka if it doesn't work, you can have it repaired or return it, without problems (basic consumer law- an object fit for purpose).
I think I’ve done most of the mistakes in there 😂 What should be added to the list: remember to have a note saying what film is in the camera. A casual shooter might not pick up the camera for a few days (weeks maybe) and end up shooting a beautiful sunset in black and white thinking it was a color film. 😅
Oh yes, I am guilty of that as well! Especially if the camera does not have a peeking window 😅
I have been taking photographs for 60+ years, and all of your tips are excellent, get into a procedure, put your lens caps in the same pocket, a routine will help you, like driving a car, it becomes second nature, experiment with one thing at a time, don't try and do everything at once, think about what interests you, as it will be more likely that you will get more pleasure from that and learn to use your camera, look at what happens when you change the shutter speed and aperture, do it without film at first so that you see in the view finder how the light meter changes, open the lens aperture and increase your shutter speed, then do the opposite and you will see that the needle will move to the same place, but the photos will be different due to the depth of field, the wider the aperture, less of your picture behind the subject will be in focus, it sounds complicated but actually if you look that one thing up, you will improve your photography! Happy shooting.
One time when I was helping someone else in the running room (small darkroom for getting film ready to process) I accidentally opened my tank with undeveloped/developing film in it. 🙈😅 a good reminder to stay focused, and maybe have multiple example tools present… 😸
Ouch, that one hurts, being so close to the finish line with the film 😅 But hey, being social and not needing to be in the lab alone is the bright side of things
@@KarinMajoka yeah, it stung a bit, but it was nonlethal 🤷♂️😸 and teaching is fun!
Thank you!!! I just picked up a MP.. love it....
one other tip, esp. for B&W use your camera on the phone, to shoot, to see if the contrast and materials of a scene will work in B&W, so you don't waste film on a subject which won't work on it.(converting the shot to monotone).
You expose depending on how you want the negative to look. The old “exposure for the shadows”, is a guideline, not a rule.
Ralph Gibson exposed for highlights, when he shot film, for example.
No shadow detail can be good.
This 1000%
Additionally there may be scenes where it's beneficial to underexpose the shadows in order to retain highlight details and compensate for it in development.
@@kurtpleavin
Or you may just WANT to not have any details in shadows, as a preference
Totally true! It's all an artistic choice. For beginners it's still good to learn about how film reacts to light opposed to digital sensors.
Great stuff, Karin.🙏
Thank you ♥️
That video by Eclectachrome proves a treasure. I had been looking for female-led photography channels with an emphasis on analog, and I think I had stumbled across maybe 2-3 creators. YT search and algorithm are … bad. Also my parents actually met while working at Gillkötter in the late 1950s, so … small world I guess. Münster is beautiful, not as drab as the Ruhr area.
I've have forgotten to rewind at least once in the last 50 yrs. Nice to see the Nikon F3. Love my F3, it is my favorite of the F, F2, F3, and F4 that I have. The F and F2 are built like tanks and will out last us all but the F3 just feels right in my hand. I do tend to shoot my color print films at 2/3rds of a stop over and my B/W film at 1/3rd over if and when I use slide film those usually shoot without over exposure. Most slide films hate over exposure but can handle up to 2/3rds under and give more saturated colors.
The F3 is my favorite SLR as well. :) True, good point about slide film, it should be exposed as accurately as possible indeed
Your Dad was a great feature in this video, much appreciated the serious touch of a playground supervisor :,D
awesome video!!!
Thank you, much appreciated! :)
This is actually perfect, I just bought my first couple of rolls yesterday and have been looking to get into film for a good while now. I'll definitely keep these in mind, but also what you said about not always keeping them in mind 😁 Can't wait to try it out over the summer
A wonderful video. Not patronising at all. as someone who started with film, moved to digital and moved back (partly) these are great tips.
A few good points here, Vielen Dank!
Thanks for the heads up 😄 I'm so excited to send out my first roll to be developed. I've no idea how the focus or exposure went...
Oh, how exciting! Fingers crossed everything worked out :)
One thing not mentioned in the light metering section is that a lot of analogue cameras were designed to operate at voltages with which the batteries are no longer readily available. You may be able to use alternatives such as 2xLR44 however the difference in voltage will affect the accuracy of the light meter.
This is a big reason I am very glad I found a Pentax Spotmatic. The voltage of the battery doesn't affect the functionality of the internal light meter because of the type of circuit in the light meter. Such a simple design that ended up being a lasting, robust design that works 60 years later.
Oh that point is really interesting, thanks for sharing! In fact, I did not know this before, learned something new here - thanks! :)
love it good video 🥰
thanks. :)
when I began photography (back in 2006), the price of film (or even the price of cameras wasn't the issue). Thankfully, the biggest issue were usually loading it up wrong, compositional mistakes, etc etc.
But what I have learned over the years and you see it a lot today because it's addicting-- _thee BIGGEST mistake you can make as a photographer is_ ... *buying shit you do not need* . You need at most 1 to 2 cameras (one probably as a backup) and maybe _maybe_ a set of lenses: 28mm, 35mm 50mm (or whatever your niche is). But ultimately, focus on one camera and one lens; master those tools. Are you a camera collector or a photographer? Trust me, the paradox of choice is a huge detriment to your creativity.
" _dont fear the photographer that has shot 1000 different cameras_ , *fear the photographer that has shot 1 camera 1000 times* " - Lenny Kravitz
Ohh very very wise words! Thanks for sharing! GAS (gear acquisition syndrome) is truly something many people suffer from (probably including me). I still think you can be both though: a camera collector and a photographer, one does not exclude the other. But it's true that too many choice can paralyze you and (especially in the beginning) it's wiser to learn one tool inside out, be able to operate it blindly rather than accumulating more and more gear.
@@KarinMajoka true lol you can be both. I myself suffer from GAS too
I will call this mistake 1: .. buying shit you do not need .. only to sell it off for nothing or even send it off to the thrift store
Just to add my 2 cents to the issue of storing film stock in the fridge. when I kept film inside the freezer, I would move it onto the fridge a couple of hours or the night before use because condensation can form if it warms too quickly, learnt that the hard way.
Love the hairstyle, btw!
Danke für die Tips! Ich brauchte das wirklich 🙈
Vielen Dank für den Kommentar. Viel Erfolg bei den ersten Rollen! :)
Your Dad didn't break character once, not once, in his role as playground supervisor. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Hahaha, such a professional! 😂 Thanks for your comment, I will pass it on to him 😂
@@KarinMajoka 💜💜💜
Nice bangs 👌🏾
Thanks :)
Ya love your hair in this!
always appreciate your videos! I'm guilty of forgetting to set my ISO on my AE-1, and I always have the realisation mid roll...
All of these are super practical tips, and I've made several of the mistakes you listed. Excellent tip on the lens cap and fingers especially for rangefinders. I am new to rangefinders, recently got my first rangefinder - Minolta AL - and waiting for the negatives to come back. I hope I didn't do that mistake!
Thanks for your comment. Fingers crossed for your rangefinder roll(s)! :)
I dont think jpeg ever is going away. Even if it replaced by some other format. The more pressing point is that digital storage is vulnerable. So you have to have reliable backup system.
Good point, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for your wise words in your encouraging video. I also did some of these mistakes even if I learnt basic photography back in the film era. First and foremost using untested cameras (mostly gifts from relatives/friends). We have only April now, and this years disasters are: Not properly locked film door at my black Minolta SRT-101, so it opened mid-roll ("only" five frames ruined), same four weeks later with Praktica MTL3 (here the film door doesn't lock properly), with this camera also relayed for three or four shots on internal meter, which reacts but shows false values (also with new battery). Shot some more shot's with a rare Rolleiflex SL35M also relaying on internal meter, which also doesn't work properly. After ten frames the Rollei blocked completely, something with the film transport is broken.
Today I shot two rolls with a Werra 2, which I already tested and works fine (even the light-meter !). I'm wondering how many keepers I'll get out of theese rolls, but I was fun although it's a very limited camera. But as you said, no risk, no fun.
Thanks a lot for your work.
Thanks for the detailed tips and also making me notice i kinda love listening to English with a German accent. Except when its mine.
This has nothing to do with the video, but I really want to say I like your little logo there. Sort of reminiscing of the Kodak brand but not really, yet appropriate. it’s nice.
Oh that's so cool actually, thank you for the feedback! My logo is in fact very much inspired by the original Kodak logo (but homely not similar enough to be sued haha)
Mistake 6 is only for negative film :) For positive/slide film, it is like digital for exposure.
All great advice! No notes, I think. ha ha. Also, the new haircut is rad!
And I've made probably about 9 of these mistakes. ha ha. And forgot to add that I fully agree with the one about opening the back early ... I've gotten to where I can snap it open for a second at the end of the roll and get some cool almost-planned light leaks. :)
Klasse Video und Glückwunsch zur neuen Frisur, passt großartig zu Dir und Deiner Leidenschaft, merkt das hier keiner??😃
Vielen Dank dir für die netten Worte, weiß ich zu schätzen! :)
Great video! Also I will be the first commenter to say that I love the new bangs!
Thanks so much, I appreciate it! :)
Hi, gutes Einsteigervideo! Kannst du mir sagen wo du den Kameragurt her hast?
Please share the light meter app you used!
Lovely video. I have had some some very nasty comments from 1980s film photographers. They don't understand that we are using old technology and it's not going to work or be supported as well as it was. I started with a Zenit EM back in the 1980s and the fun was playing in dark room and seeing photographs appear as if by magic.
Thanks so much :) Oh, that's a pity to hear, I never get why people leave nasty comments or judge people negatively for something they simply like to do. And yes, working in the darkroom is truly magical!
The Canon EOS 1's thru out the 90's I used, my last film camera was the Canon 1V had Auto rewind, very fast, you had to change films quickly when shooting weddings.
I did get a roll of Fuji Across II... it was definitely nice, but its a treat film, rather than an every day film... although I actually started out on the lomochrome films which are pricey...
Currently loving the candido 800...
Acros is really nice, but as you say more on the pricy side of b&w films. Interesting, I haven't heard of Candido 800! Is it the same as Cinestill 800?
Hello! First of all, congratulations on the video.
I come to ask which light meter do you use on your cell phone? Thank you.
Thanks for your comment! :) I've shown a picture in the video with a couple of app I have tried before, all iOS. The app I use the most regular though is called "Lghtmtr".
Super Video Karin! :)
I think I made more then half of the mistakes you mentioned here :D
I would love to should much more film. Did one roll on street last week on Kodak Gold with my M6 and just loved the experience. But these film prices ... 🥲
That's I keep sticking to Gold 200 and Kentmere 400.
Not a mistake, both something I didn't know / realise: film cameras need at a certain point maintenance. Specially if you have a mechanical camera over time and use there will be part, which will need replacement or readjustments, shutter speed etc. And these fixes aren't cheap unfortunately. On my Canon AE1 the shutter broke and it cost around 80€, that's the price for a new used AE1 from a dealer with warranty. I still had the repair, since the AE1 is from my father, who bought it in the 80s.
Keep up your great work und dir noch eine schöne Restwoche! :)
Regnerische Grüße aus dem Süden.
Haha, at least you have some more mistakes to look forward to :D Yes, film prices are definitely something to swallow.
The point about maintenance is definitely true, even though I wouldn't consider it a mistake but just something to take into account. Also, modern digital cameras can also break down unexpectedly, even though it's maybe a bit less risky as with (electronic) film cameras. As long as there are parts available, mechanical film cameras are almost immortal.
Totaly not film related but i love this hairstyle karin! looks very good!
Thanks so much, I appreciate it! :)
Sponsored by Kamera Store... not bad!
Another mistake I did a couple of times (with a rangefinder camera). When I shoot bw film I always use bw filters (mostly orange, sometimes yellow or read). When I then load color film it happened to me that I forgot to take off the filter and I ended up with a massive color shift which can‘t be removed in post.
Got Fujica GW690 as my first film camera ever (after shooting digital for 3 years) and the prices of film/developing/scan did hurt me a bit :D But it was fun and interesting to see first two test rolls comming back. I edit them aswell since the BW scans looked a bit flat, could be since I meter only on my phone.
Oh wow, jumpung straight to 120 film then? :) Great choice though and glad to hear you like the film experience (so far!). Yes, the prices can hurt, it gets a bit better though if you commit to developing and scanning yourself at some point.
Great haircut :D
I have made all of these mistakes & still do sometimes & those photos are the best I have ever taken.
Thanks for sharing your experience, love that perspective on mistakes. :)
I work at a lab and a surprisingly common mistake we see is 35mm film that was rewound the wrong direction. I also am surprised by how many people seal their 120 rolls wrong. You have to fold the backing paper under and seal it with the included tape. It is easy to open this way. When it's not folded and has extra tape on it, your lab tech will have to struggle with it in the dark and risk getting paper cuts or paper under their nail beds trying to open it
If you rewind it in the wrong direction you probably automatically "redscale" the film, right?
Yes, good point about 120! Ever since developing 120 myself at home, I also started to seal the rolls with a folded end of the backing paper.
My biggest beginner mistake is probably specific to my camera (OM-2), but I had it on bulb mode assuming having it in aperture priority would override that and shot through 3 rolls of film before realising, every single photo came out looking like shit
All solid advice.
11 is kinda funny, I often see people posting picture with caption "Scan without any manipulation", usually posted by people who have no idea what manipulations were usually done when printing negatives in darkroom...
Thanks for your comment! :) yes, some people might not be as familiar with the history of photography and might not be aware that Lightroom is basically is just a digital version of the analog darkrooms from back in the day.
I needed a film camera to enter a competition so purchased a ‘90s vintage Nikon DSLR for $9.99 on eBay and made an honorable mention, which was a hoot. But I had film experience back to the’70s so knew what I was doing. Since then I purchased vintage Leicas film cameras to go with my digital ones. Enjoying film again.
What a steal! Thanks for sharing your experience! :)
vidéo sympa. Pour moi les galères c'est mettre un film à l'envers sur mon pentax 645 ou de ne pas vérifier l'état des piles.
Je note une nouvelle coupe de cheveux façon " peace and love" année 70 🙂qui va bien.
I've taken some of my best photos on Kodak gold and superia. I'd go to the corner store and pick up a pack of 3 for 20 dollars. Now it's 30 dollars..at least. I've seen it go for as high as $40 at cvs an I was floored
Tolles Video mit vielen hilfreichen Tips ! Auch für alte Hasen ;) Und ja...ISO umstellen is so ne Sache, sag ich mal. Hab mir da einige Rollen Film ruiniert.... 🥸 Und der Kodak Gold 200 ist "most underrted" meiner Meinung nach. Achja...neue Frisur ? Schaut gut aus ! ☺
Vielen Dank für deine Rückmeldung, freut mich zu hören! :) Jaja, das gute alte ISO Wählrad. Wenn man ausversehen überbelichtet ist das ja zum Glück gar nicht schlimm, aber ausersehen unterbelichten hat mich auch schon die ein oder andere Rolle gekostet. Und auch danke für die lieben Worte zur neuen Frisur ✌️
Guilty of not checking if gear works before using it with film.
Now I have a shutter tester (made in Ukraina)
And I tend to take a digital backup shot if possible.
I also recommend putting a good hood/shade on your lenses.
In addition to its primary function it'll also protect the glass from fall damage.
I think Kamera Store is too expensive for me as they will not prosess VAT to my country,
thereby adding additional import and customs charges.
Ebay does this. And Japanese sellers are usually cheaper and mostly reliable IMO.
Thanks.
PS: I'm shocked to hear that some labs throw away negatives. That has never happened to me.
If you shop on ebay long enough, you will soon realize ebay is a 'no man's land', you've probably been lucky not to fall into the hand of scammers whom ebay will eventually support and deny your claim on.. it just a matter of time.. I have been burned alot on ebay and etsy.. ( after trusting them at the beginning from successful purchases ).. ebay is a chance thing..
I'm very sorry to say, floppy disks were used 30 years ago. I do the same thing. Sure the 90s were just ten years ago!
Hahah, omg you are right! Must have been a Freudian slip to suppress how old I already am 😂
@@KarinMajoka Time really does sneak up on us all!
Floppy disks were still in use 20 years ago as well...
@@mikehembree7973Floppy disks are stilll used today if you're the US nuclear weapons arsenal
Love the F3. Even the mistakes I make with my F3 are worth it.
It's my favorite SLR camera for sure!
As someone who likes to collect cameras, not doing tests (lens, shutter) etc before taking trip occasionally bites. Sometimes, the pictures are glowish (foggy lens), or there are no images at all (messed up shutter curtain). Grrr.
It's very tempting to purchase, say, a Rollei TLR around $200, but naturally you have to ask: "what's the catch?". Either the seller don't need that much cash, or there are some defects. So, check carefully before the purchase.
In general, it's better to buy a slightly expensive gear (but is properly CLA-ed) instead of cheaper one with problems waiting to happen.
IDK, I've always bought from local 2nd hand stores and the worst that I've had happen is I got a rangefinder that has a sticky shutter. I paid $40, and I'm currently getting it CLA'ed because I wasn't sure how to disassemble and fix it myself and even with the price of the CLA it's still cheaper than buying a CLA'ed one online.
The only catch is you don't get much choice to pick the exact camera you want.
Another one would be to not think you need the most expensive F1.2 lenses to get the best photos, especially when stopped down a lot of lenses give you plenty sharp and crispy photos.
One mistake I have made (quite a lot actually) is forgetting I am not using a digital camera and blasting a roll of expensive film in 10 minutes with many pictures that are almost the same!
14:27 I love your old hair ❤
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Tolles Video. Die ganzen Fehler habe ich auch zu Beginn gemacht. 😂
Hast du ein Video, in dem du Labore verglichen hast? Da gab es eine kurze Sequenz, in der Urbanfilmlab zu sehen war. Damir war ich auch sehr zufrieden. Derzeit lasse ich bei Safelight entwickeln und scannen. Aber dort wird aktuell kein Flatscan mehr angeboten und die Scans sind mir dadurch zu dunkel und kontrastreich. Daher überlege ich, wieder bei Urbanfilmlab scannen zu lassen.
Wenn du ein Video hast, würde ich mich freuen. Auf den ersten Blick konnte ich nichts finden. Liebe Grüße, du machst das toll. 👍🏻
Danke für deinen Kommentar :) Nein, ein Video wo ich konkrete Labore vergleiche habe ich tatsächlich noch nicht gemacht (und werde ich vermutlich auch nicht machen). Eventuell kommt aber demnächst mal ein kurzes Video wo ich zwei verschiedene Lab-Scans von verschiedenen Scannern vergleiche. Wenn du flachere Scans bevorzugst würde ich entsprechend auch nach einem Labor schauen, welches diese anbietet. Mit urbanfilmlab war ich bisher ausnahmslos auch immer sehr zufrieden.
Liebe Grüße ✌️
Thank you, Karin, for great advice! I wasn't color-editing my scans, but now I do. The same goes for negatives. Probably you could share some ideas on what's the best way to preserve negatives? :)
Probably not a mistake, but rather a piece of advice - if you use some experimental / new / re-spooled film don't get upset if your pictures don't look like on the presentation website :D
Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it :) I am not sure if it would fill a whole video, so to answer the question in short: I use glassine sheets and use Adox Adofile boxes since they keep dust out.
And yes, the point about re-spooled and experimental film is definitely true!
Tut mir leid, aber um welchen Ordner handelt es sich im minute 18:00 ?
Ich bin neu auf deinem Kanal. Gibt es Videos darüber, wie du deine Negative organisierst? Danke..
I think all the tips are good, but for newbies. Some are avoidable just by reading the camera instructions. One thing that is common in the generations that began shooting in the digital age is that they attribute the error as part of the "magic" of the film, when in reality it is not. Digital cameras allow you to take photos by correcting the results on the fly, which means that the basic tools of proper exposure (without getting into the composition and aesthetics) are less known, which was not acceptable in the era of film. . You had to know how to expose, that is, you had to know how to underexpose, overexpose on the value of the exposure meter, if necessary, etc. Yes, there was a bit of uncertainty, especially in complex situations, but it also depended on experience. There could be a mystique, certainly in that space of uncertainty, even the name is beautiful, "latent image." In the professional field to reduce uncertainty, polaroid tests were done, etc. and the space for error was minimal. It was not occultism, ordinary people had to learn the theory and then practice when it was not automatic cameras. Now it's just shooting and ordinary people have less technical knowledge.
p.s. opening the camera lid with the film without rewinding, veiling the film, has nothing magical or "artistic". Although given the era in which we live, everything is relativized and soft and good, even lack of rigor, concentration, stupidity, etc. all can be part of the simulation and the spectacle..
The hair is giving!
Thanks! I feel super comfortable with it too :)
I would love to shoot more Film but a roll of Color Plus is the same price as a roll of Porta 400 from 5 years ago! I can understand the tactile feel of coming from the taking right through the taking development and printing. I can never get my head around those who shoot film the scan/ digitise it ?? (as we say in the UK its like buying a dog and doing your own barking). ッ
Yeah, that price increase can probably not be explained fully through inflation 😅 I don't understand why people don't understand why people scan in their film. Having a darkroom in the basement is a totally different commitment many people might not be willing to make, yet still enjoy the tactile experience of shooting film, developing film and having physical negatives.
lol, I've made at least three of these mistakes this month, and one of them today (when I got what I thought was 18 shots into a roll before realizing the film hadn't caught and was sitting there spooled up).
What a successful week, three in a row haha! But hey, at least you caught the one with the film loading somewhat early. :)
It seems that film seems to be attractive again, what are the advantages of going back to film?
Good tips, although two things that I would like to add: "Start with a consumer grade film like Kodak Gold oder Fujifilm C200." Actually, Kodak Gold is now also quite expensive (not much cheaper than Portra 160) and Fujifilm C200 is long gone... The only real cheap(ish) option is black and white but most people associate specific colours with film. However, Kodak Gold is, to my experience at least, more forgiving than any Portra. Even if your metering is off, you forgot the film in the warm car or you even forgot that it is in the camera at all, the pictures come out fine. Portra, ehh, not so much. You need to love it :D.
The second thing I would like to add is that it may be good to start out with a more modern SLR (late 90s, early 2000s). If they start up with a fresh battery and the shutter fires, you are in 99.99% of the times fine. And loading them is also easy. Older, manual cameras, will sometimes give you the feel that they will work but they don´t :D.
I think film prices depend highly on where you are based. Here in Germany, you can still get your hands on pretty affordable Kodak Gold since it's sold at drug stores (around 6€ a roll, used to be even cheaper some months ago). And yes you are right, C200 is "gone" or rather the same as Kodak Gold now. I should have said Ultramax or ProImage instead, but I did not want to do an entire new take filming 😅
Modern SLR cameras are probably the "safer" option to start with indeed. But to be fair when just getting into film you usually want a camera that looks cool as well and those plastic bombers don't look as cool as a good old classic like a Canon A1 or Olympus OM-2. Besides, I never really liked modern SLRs because they are almost "too modern" for my taste, many having AF or full on auto modes. But that is entirely subjective and different for everybody. The most important thing is that you will find a camera you are actually eager to take out and use :)
@@KarinMajoka I am also from Germany (😅) and unfortunately DM has increased the price to around 11€ per roll of Kodak Gold. A 5 pack of Portra 400 is around 80€, so the difference per roll is not that much. Actually, it kind of feels like they want to remove the consumer stuff sooner rather than later entirely from the shelves given that the price is steadily coming closer to the prices of professional film. Interestingly in the same time film stocks like Ilford HP5+ and Kodak TriX went down in price.
I btw. have a sweetspot for the „plastic fantastic“ cameras. They were fairly new when I was born and around everywhere. But of course, if you are younger than 20 years (uff, feeling old now), you will probably not have the same nostalgic feelings 😂
@@thomasa.243 dont buy the individual rolls. Buy the triple pack. It’s about 20€ for 3 rolls. But yes, it’s getting more expensive every couple of months
@@TheChosenOne_ I've still seen 3-packs for 17,99€ at Rossmann not too long ago and with the app you can get an additional 10% off. But for whatever reasons the prices vary from shop to shop sometimes.
@@KarinMajoka that is the old price up until February or March of this year. New price is also around 21€ for 3 rolls. Which is still relatively inexpensive per roll but yeah, the price only knows one direction :/
Fortunately (?) my only blank rolls have been medium format - 12 shots lost instead of 36 😆
Still a sad loss - but at least only 1/3 of the damage that could habe happened 😅
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I'd say if you scan yourself using Rossmann for developing is a good idea. C41 is a standardized process and these really big labs, which are used by drugstores, SHOULD have good quality control regarding expired chemicals and so on. I for one, can't complain. you can't get any cheaper development in the world than the 3,50€ they are charging and I haven't had any problems (except sometimes scratches, but I think you can get that at any lab).
Good point, that's what I do sometimes for "unimportant" rolls when I don't have the capacity to develop them myself. :)
But I doubt that many beginners who have just shot a roll or two do self scanning at this point. It's the logical next step I would also recommend to people to save money in the long run, but usually it's enthusiasts or intermediate who make the jump to home scanning. And while I agree on the standardization of C41, my personal experience is still that the quality of my developed film from the drug stores was far inferior than from a regular lab. As I said in the video, I had several bad incidences with film that got entirely lost, colors shifts, cut through negatived and scratched - which can of course all happen at regular labs as well, but the accumulation of incidences of that sort simply happened to me more often with the drug store lab.
Rossmann bzw. das Großlabor mag billig sein, aber falsch geschnittene Negative sind schon ärgerlich - wenn dann der Schnitt durchs Bild geht.... Im Fachlabor wird halt nicht alles einfach einer Maschine überlassen, kostet halt auch etwas mehr. Und die besseren Scans bekommt man dort auch - klar kostet das auch wieder etwas.
It's not exactly a "mistake", but not using gradient neutral density filters for landscapes is a near complete waste of film. Just watch the typical film shooting video, and -- especially among content makers under 50 who mumble a lot -- the skies are blown out and bland. Get a 2- or even 3-stop GND filter with a hard transition, and one with a soft transition. It will transform photos where the sky is too bright. This is especially important for slide film. And get a circular polarizer for shots of lakes, pools, rainbows, etc. It makes everything 'watery' much better.
Nice video,
but I think you are wasting film. I put the end of the film in the slit first and put the roll in the camera after that. I close the camera before I wind the film. The 2nd frame is useable. Normally I get 38-39 shots per roll, sometimes 40.
Nice. ....today I ran into Marius Vogler whom you also know...funny meeting him
Oh that's funny! Greetings to Marius. :)
16:22 reminds me of the apartment location from Shaun of the Dead lol
Guess I have to watch the movie now to find out :)
Does every playground in Germany look like that? When I visted Nordestadt I slept in a playground that looked exactly like that because I couldn't find my Airbnb 😂
Edit: Since I'm new I decided to list all the mistakes I've done and avoided so far.
1: Avoided this one because my small town only had Drug Store Film. I also found 1$ expired film at the thrift store so that was nice!
2. I knew about this one before I started, but it stressed me out so much that I'm pretty sure I lost about 4 exposures on a roll double checking that it was winding correctly...
3. I did make this mistake, and even though I knew to rewind, I still messed up by breaking the internal mechanism of the film roll and just assuming that the lack of resistance meant I had rolled it up successfully... Those were good photos too, hoping they recover as they were family photos during an event.
4. The camera I bought has no light meter, therefore this mistake was impossible for me to make 😩😏
5. I lucked out on this one... First shots that came back just fine for a camera made in the 60's.
6. DEFINITELY made this mistake. It was just a hiking venture with my partner but some of those shots are very dark despite the sunshine.
7. Did this one for newer film. Had my ISO set to 100 but was using 400 film. Ended up just fine since I was overexposing instead of underexposing but it certainly made me careful for the future.
8. I have an SLR so this was impossible or at the very least quite improbable...
9. I didn't know this with my first expired film, but I did learn afterwards. I've been using the rule of thumb!
10. I almost did this one but the film photography community told me not to. Glad I didn't, having those negatives is awesome.
11. My first roll was unedited minus brightness and contrast, now I go for vibes 😅😅
12. Never did this but my first negatives were somewhat sentimental!
13. I'll be making this mistake for a while 😫
Good video! Thanks for sharing.
Independent of the media: properly expose your image. Do not underexpose or overexpose by intention. Try to nail your exposure. Expose right for your subject. Do not care for blown out highlights or pitch black shadows as long as your subject is properly lit. And do not listen to a random guy on the internet, make your own decisions.
There are no mistakes. They are only learning experiences
I'm so lucky to have a drawer full of expired film as I get back into film. I bought it when 5 rolls cost $0.99.
Bezüglich der Entwicklung in den Laboren bzw. bei Großlaboren (DM): der C41 Prozess ist doch mehr oder weniger standaisiert, da dürfte es doch eigentlich keine großen Unterschiede zu kleineren Labs geben? Ich hab bisher diverse Filme bei DM entwickeln lassen (auch 800T etc) und war mit den Ergebnissen recht zufrieden (zumindest mit den negativen, scannen übernehme ich selbst)
Btw: wenn man bei DM angibt, dass die Negative nicht geschnitten werden sollen, bekommt man die ganze Rolle fein aufgewickelt in einer Papprolle wieder zurück 👌
If you realize soon enough that you have loaded the film incorrectly, you can load the film again and expose the first images twice. Creates some nice effects.
Good point, thanks for sharing. :)
That's how I learn from mistakes. 😉😁
I always buy cameras playing russian roulet ;D and it works almost every time.
Yes Karin, I agree, did that with 120 Hasselblad 500c\m ; but my mistake was not understanding the light, ie 400 asa film in EV 15-17 lighting conditions!, so Glare/Flare was a problem; one Tip, go for Gold 200 or EkTar 100 as this is less sensitive to glare, AND always use the lens hood supplied.
Combination photoshoots are a Fantastic idea, using the digital "recon" shot for exposure metering (with the modern Matrix metering these offer), and most IMPORTANT, the histogram, and the highlight warning the ] part of the box, if LIT, means glare is present (the highlight tones are so high as to not render detail, aka zone 10); this saves me $$$ as no film is wasted to exposure mistakes. Tripods and fast shutter speeds (1/125 +) are essential to getting blur free shots, at least while learning the camera, film, etc.
I am so guilty of #13. I need to really learn to just do stuff, but that does not come natural to my neurospicy brain...
I get that, I struggle with that often times as well. However, it helps me to remember that photography should be fun first and foremost and that mistakes can in fact be fun! :)
I'm pretty sure I can check off every mistake one time or another 😂
Nice input though. Wish I had these advices when I started - in the 80-ties. Yikes. I'm an old fart... 😝
If you got the full 13 mistakes you've got a "bingo", congrats! 😂 With all it's cons, the internet nowadays is certainly a great resource of information :)
I don’t fully agree that jpg might be lost in the future, jpg has been around for 30 years, I think it will survive all of us 😊 (beside from experience I can tell you that your house could burn down and you can kiss those negative goodbye too, no system is perfect, it best to have a proper safeguard system which digital allows, in other words safe them at least 3 times on 3 different mediums. That said I would recommend that when you scan your negatives to do it in TIFF, giving you more leeway in the editing process.
True that, no system is completely safe, but it's always good to diversify storage methods.
Scanning film/paper photos I now do with my Nikon Z 8 and Z105/2.8S macro lens. Since firmware release 2.0 it supports photosite shift and can take up to 32 shots as a scan of the original (180MP).
The (half) photosite shift removes uncertainty from raw processing and consequently removes Bayer noise.
Are you bragging?
I'd like to know what your qualifications are for handing these high end tips to someone who's been shooting film for 60 years. The reason film photography has been surpassed by digital is because it can't compete with the quality.
People "Throw away their negatives" !!?? It was then i realised I am from a totally different era of photography... yeah I'm old. 😬😂 But I still have the negatives to all photos I took 30 years ago.
I shot my first roll of film at the age of 16 or so and back then I truly thought all you should care for are those little prints 😂 I had no idea about darkroom printing and all that as an unexperienced, clueless teenager. I am pretty relieved that I am a bit wiser today haha (but certainly there are still people out there who throw away negatives...)
Fujifilm c200 is not a thing anymore.
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Film is really great but very expensive at the time. 18,5Euro for a Portra 400 is just too much money. And if someone includes the scanning and development it explodes to around 40 euros a roll which means more than 1 euro a photo if someone shoots 12 films a year the cost goes up to 480euros. Its a pricey hobby but to my experience after the 3-4 first rolls if someone likes film and uses it often he should consider a good working camera and a lens. Many make the same mistake and stay with crappy cameras for long time wondering why the colors are not nice, why someting always doenst work etc. we shouldnt forget that film cameras are old ( well except some new 5000 leica) so they must be serviced and even then they wont work like 40-50 years ago.
Luckily, there are still cheaper film options available than Portra 400. It might not be as accessible for beginners, but especially if you shoot a lot of film the cost can reduce radically when developing and scanning at home. :)