Great video. I didn't even realise you could modulate the amount levels on the matrix. Lots of good info in this one. I'd never even thought about the diamonds in the fart zone, but I think I will in the future.
@@platipo Not really. I tried to look up what legel is but I cannot find. I guess if the frequency is fixed in remap, then we're modulating amplitude? And more amount means more of modulator amplitude injected into the carrier waveform? I cannot picture it any other way :/
@@djfull4442 you got it right. The frequency is determined by the frequency of the carrier (in this case the LFO) and its shape (whether you draw it in the LFO or in the mod remapper, il kind of irrelevant), the amplitude is the modulation amount, which we will control with an envelope; in more traditional FM synthesis, you d control the volume of the modulator, here in a way or another, the result is the same. You can modulate the frequency of the modulator of course, but that's not what is typically done unless you're looking for something weird. Legel is level according to someone who has no spellchecker and is typing on a phone :D
@@djfull4442 no... Sorry, you were picturing it right, earlier I had a typo and here I wrote carrier when I meant modulator... I'm struggling to clarify and I keep messing it up :D
At 3:00 you mention the difference between frequency and phase modulation. Can you please point me to some links with a good explanation of this difference (assuming you don't have the time to explain it yourself) ? I looked on the Internet and could only find info on that with focus on radio transmission, whereas I wanted to read about the application in musical synthesis.
I can't right out of my mind think of a resource to link you about the topic, but if you have some patience, a video about "real FM" is definitely in the works, I could make and release it in a week or two. The point I was making is that "famous" FM synths such as the DX synths, actually are phase modulation synths Anyway, it makes imho little sense to discuss what it is like, every audio rate modulation has its character, and I believe the only thing which can guide you into an effective understanding of it is experience: do it, try many carriers and modulators, different ratios, and you might get an idea, it's such a vast realm of possibilities I don't think I nor anyone else can actually get to be exhaustive.
@@platipo Thanks! I just wanted to sort of "visualise" phase modulation... Because I have visualised frequency modulation on an osciloscope (using an LFO to oscilate the pitch, I noticed how the frequency "moves"). But phase modulation I haven't seen so far But thank you anyway! I am looking forward to your video!
@@alexbelciu5001 well... You can visualize it in the very same way. Almost all I did in this video was just about phase modulation, if you just apply it and set an oscilloscope downhill, you will easily see it
Yes :) well at least in theory; I probably even mentioned it briefly in the video in practice it does sound a bit weird and not quite as I would expect FM feedback to work; you can have an LFO modulate its own phase, which in theory should do it, but in practice, In my experience trying that in vital just kinda screws everything up. I can't think of any other way to achieve that
Not the one I mentioned, as I said, in this case it was mostly PM, like in DX synths, historically known as FM, but as you said not "true" FM Doing true FM is possible, as you can modulate the pitch continuously, yet it can be a bit tricky to get it to be "linear" FM, as pitch and frequency are logarithmically related. Yet, in retrospect, I believe the video title I chose was somehow misleading, it's not really about FM or PM, as much as it is about audio rate modulation in general
Vital is almost too deep, gets esoteric really fast so it's a good thing it's not important for most users to reverse engineer or troubleshoot presets :)
But it's also very easy to do so... Every modulation is clearly there in the modmatrix, every component gives visual feedback... Yes, it can get quite esoteric in the "right" (or maybe the wrong ones :D ) hands, but it's one of the easiest synths on which to deconstruct esoteric patches imho
The best FM synthesis video for Vital I've seen yet.
Thank you :)
Yep, insta subbed
Great video. I didn't even realise you could modulate the amount levels on the matrix. Lots of good info in this one. I'd never even thought about the diamonds in the fart zone, but I think I will in the future.
Happy you liked it :) if you're into FM in Vital, I recently made another video about it, slightly more advanced, but I hope equally interesting.
Just Starting to learn VITAL; You have been helpful with FM synthesis------ THANKS, I am going to understand DEXED/DX7 a lot better now also....
Glad to help!
Dexed is great, I've made another video about Vital and FM a bit more recently, I suppose you might find that interesting as well.
Great stuff! I just made the most classic DX7 E Piano sound in Vital using two sine oscillators with phase mod - because why not
Glad you liked it :) if you're into FM I made a few other videos on the topic
Love the way you think!! And yes, vital is a gem!
That was LOVELY!
happy you liked it :)
Hooray for the Bog of Eternal Stench! :D Vital is a really compact and powerful piece of software. I'm really impressed with it.
More Bog of eternal stench coming soon :D
5:19 not really getting this - if envelope already controls modulation, what do you control with amount slider? dry/wet mix?
The amount literally controls the amount of modulation, it's exactly the same as the level of an operator in old school FM jargon, is it any clearer?
@@platipo Not really. I tried to look up what legel is but I cannot find. I guess if the frequency is fixed in remap, then we're modulating amplitude? And more amount means more of modulator amplitude injected into the carrier waveform? I cannot picture it any other way :/
@@djfull4442 you got it right. The frequency is determined by the frequency of the carrier (in this case the LFO) and its shape (whether you draw it in the LFO or in the mod remapper, il kind of irrelevant), the amplitude is the modulation amount, which we will control with an envelope; in more traditional FM synthesis, you d control the volume of the modulator, here in a way or another, the result is the same. You can modulate the frequency of the modulator of course, but that's not what is typically done unless you're looking for something weird.
Legel is level according to someone who has no spellchecker and is typing on a phone :D
@@platipo In my case I was picturing the carrier as oscillator1 but I think I'm getting the picture now. Thank you ^^
@@djfull4442 no... Sorry, you were picturing it right, earlier I had a typo and here I wrote carrier when I meant modulator... I'm struggling to clarify and I keep messing it up :D
Awesome stuff!
nice video
At 3:00 you mention the difference between frequency and phase modulation. Can you please point me to some links with a good explanation of this difference (assuming you don't have the time to explain it yourself) ? I looked on the Internet and could only find info on that with focus on radio transmission, whereas I wanted to read about the application in musical synthesis.
I can't right out of my mind think of a resource to link you about the topic, but if you have some patience, a video about "real FM" is definitely in the works, I could make and release it in a week or two.
The point I was making is that "famous" FM synths such as the DX synths, actually are phase modulation synths
Anyway, it makes imho little sense to discuss what it is like, every audio rate modulation has its character, and I believe the only thing which can guide you into an effective understanding of it is experience: do it, try many carriers and modulators, different ratios, and you might get an idea, it's such a vast realm of possibilities I don't think I nor anyone else can actually get to be exhaustive.
@@platipo Thanks! I just wanted to sort of "visualise" phase modulation... Because I have visualised frequency modulation on an osciloscope (using an LFO to oscilate the pitch, I noticed how the frequency "moves"). But phase modulation I haven't seen so far
But thank you anyway! I am looking forward to your video!
@@alexbelciu5001 well... You can visualize it in the very same way. Almost all I did in this video was just about phase modulation, if you just apply it and set an oscilloscope downhill, you will easily see it
Could you provide the links to the 2 TH-camrs whom you referenced at the start?
You're quite right, it was my intention to put them in the description, then it slipped my mind, my bad, just added them in the description
Take me to the fart zone
My pleasure :D
Hahaha
Lmao
Some FM algorithms use feedback. Can you replicate those in Vital?
Yes :) well at least in theory; I probably even mentioned it briefly in the video in practice it does sound a bit weird and not quite as I would expect FM feedback to work; you can have an LFO modulate its own phase, which in theory should do it, but in practice, In my experience trying that in vital just kinda screws everything up. I can't think of any other way to achieve that
Is it true FM though or just PM
Not the one I mentioned, as I said, in this case it was mostly PM, like in DX synths, historically known as FM, but as you said not "true" FM
Doing true FM is possible, as you can modulate the pitch continuously, yet it can be a bit tricky to get it to be "linear" FM, as pitch and frequency are logarithmically related.
Yet, in retrospect, I believe the video title I chose was somehow misleading, it's not really about FM or PM, as much as it is about audio rate modulation in general
5:15 AMOGUS
Is it an acronym for something?
Vital is almost too deep, gets esoteric really fast so it's a good thing it's not important for most users to reverse engineer or troubleshoot presets :)
But it's also very easy to do so... Every modulation is clearly there in the modmatrix, every component gives visual feedback... Yes, it can get quite esoteric in the "right" (or maybe the wrong ones :D ) hands, but it's one of the easiest synths on which to deconstruct esoteric patches imho
The fart zone 😆
It's a magical, mystical flatulent land :D