People are going to be really surprised by the FE cooling performance. The biggest bottleneck cooling GPUs was the fact that there is a massive wall the the fans were pushing air into (pcb/backplate). There's tests out there where a basic CPU cooler was strapped onto a GPU die and temperatures were extremely good. Having a full flow through cooler plus the liquid metal is going to keep this card competitive with the 3 and 4 slot monsters.
Yes and no. Their design isn't really different than cpu air coolers. Sure 2 towers cool better than 1 but most have around the same heat pipes as the new cooler design. 100-150w is usually what cpu coolers cap out at. Even at 300w it's going to be a big ask to keep the founders cards cool. Of course some small gpus have had power limits of 300-350 and done fine and these new ones will be more efficient at bringing the air away from them, but they will be far from 500w constant cards.
Jufas...you clearly haven't seen Steve's incredible hands-on cooling results of the the prototype 4090 FE with it's 100% flow-through cooler design. At the SAME wattage, the prototype runs 20C cooler than the standard 4090 FE (TWENTY C), and was in the 40s & 50s under full load...it's WAY AHEAD of AIBs also..like not even close. The 5090 cooler is a scaled-down version of the proto-4090's, so I would ecpect similarily-scaled results when you account for the decrease in the size of the cooler. That being said, the 5090 has a much improved vapor-chamber and is using liquid metal. I am expecting it to have a 10-13C advantage over a 4090 FE at the same voltage. You haven't aquired one or seen a cooling bench on it yet you are drawing conclusions based on visual speculations? ...not too long ago if I recall, you were lecturing people who did the same thing regarding RAM speeds on the AMD platform. Let's draw our conclusions once the hands-on tests are done. If the 5090 version of the cooler scales, the it's FE or NOTHING if ruining on air...those 4-slot cooling designs of the AIBs are MONSTROSITIES...what a bloody Joke. It's that 2-slot beauty or nothing on air (if it scales)...I've got high-end RAID, high-end sound cards (not built-in rubbish), etc to go in.
I don’t really understand the purpose of this video I mean, are you really trying to sit here and say that you think that all of the engineering and R&D that went into the founders edition model would not allow that card to maintain its temperature operation? I mean, has there ever been a previous iteration of their founders additions that have done this. It just seems like this is kind of nonsense speculation based on nothing. I do think you’re right when it comes to the water block specifically for this new generation because I’m afraid that the complexity of the PCB of the founders edition might make it take a lot longer for water block developers to come up with a user-friendly viable solution. Specifically because There are ribbon, cables, and structural elements that would need to be built into the water block, which means more materials that don’t actually do anything for cooling. It’s unlikely a real solution is going to emerge before lunch much less weeks after lunch. Or maybe ever.
Well you have to remember he always approaches GPUs from the perspective of max overclocking where more thermal headroom means higher clock frequencies. I have no doubt that the 5090 cooler will be able to handle the thermal load, but it'll certainly run hot and may not be able to reach the same peak performance as the far larger AIB cards. I do think the concerns about noise are misplaced since flow-through fans should be much quieter than ones blowing onto a PCB and Nvidia has made significant claims to this effect as well.
I want to have the best gaming experience I can have on my 32" 4k 240hz QD-OLED. so yes, I absolutely want a 5090 for gaming. But Im more excited for the 6090, since that will probably be a node jump, which means very likely a substantial increase in performance. I will upgrade my 9800x3D to a 10800x3D or so, if its worth it, if I am CPU limited in some games. And yes, even at 4k you can absolutely be CPU limited.
but for now I def buy a 5090. Just not sure which model. Also I just hope that I can even get one at release. I will be off from work on Jan 30th and 31st, so I can F5 all the shops for whole weekend
@@DELTA9XTC I’m not sure why you care about performance if you’re gaming on a 4k monitor? Typically people who use 4k don’t care about performance due to the obvious performance tradeoff and why most people are still staying away from it
People are underestimating the flow through design of the FE cards. For someone like myself who has a top and bottom mounted 360mm radiator this is going to make my airflow so much better. It's literally removing a wall in my airflow and replacing it with a screen door. Not perfect, but substantially better.
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate the amount of time and effort that must’ve gone into the optimisation masterclass course tho. No BS, no fluff and got my PC to where I wanted it to perform at, still grateful and do not regret one cent spent on it.
AIB model for ease of adding a waterblock (never able to get hold of an FE here anyway). With waterblock if available at launch. My Asus TUF OC 4090 with 33% overclock hit 600W in Furmark and the Asus cooler keeps it about 80-85. Gaming usage of the 5090 is going to be about 400W at a guess which is no problem. 4K HDR gaming.
I’ll probably never watch your video again if you’re wrong about the temps and the sound. Also I’ll have 2 4k monitors so I’ll let you know. I’ll even plug it into my 8k tv.
I've switched to watercooling my GPU's some 6 years ago and I won't look back... I've put a Kraken G12+Kraken x62 on my Gigabyte Master 2080 Super 1 year after I bought it - and it continues to work even now in my wife's rig. And next I added double sided waterblock on my MSI 3090 Suprim X - a card that I bought 2 years ago as "previously owned" for about 875$. Undervolted it to 0.9V and it runs at 45-46°C in full load, in my very quiet rig, and runs games like a charm in 4k@60fps with a mix of high-mid settings and DLSS enabled, and no (useless) RT. Those 24GB VRAM work wonders for 4k too. My next card will continue to adorn the waterblock "attire" either from the box or I'll mod it on myself. The temps and silence you get from doing it more than make up the effort and some extra $$. I'd rather buy my GPU second hand and use the extra doh to cool it properly than splash a ton of $$ on a new but air-cooled one.
I want a 5090FE and a waterblock that is the size of a CPU block, the size of that PCB is making me so excited. I don't really know how hard they are to disassemble, though I don't love the ribbon connectors.
Honestly I want to buy a 5090 to play single player games (often older games from 2016, or even older) with 100 FPS+ on a 3440x1440. So I thought I would get the FE and undervolt it to the sweet spot in terms of power/performance/heat/noise. So I hoped at that spot it would run rather quiet. The main reason for buying the FE: It will probably be the cheapest one for a long time. Since I want to undervolt it anyway I thought it would be okay. But seeing this video - Is this not valid for my use case?
This card’s gonna run hot. Nvidia had to come up with a way to do 2 blow-through fans because they wouldn’t be able to make it a 2-slot card otherwise. The AIBs with bigger heatsinks and 3 fans will push more air with lower fan speeds, and they will be clocked higher. This is just the reality for these high power draw GPUs. It won’t get any better until this level of performance is possible with lower power GPUs in future generations. Just some food for thought. I won’t tell you which way to decide.
I am aiming for an Aorus Master ICE card, but that's purely because it's the best looking white card and if I do a new build I want to do a white one. But I'll admit it's a bonus that I'm planning on a Gigabyte motherboard (because again, there's only one good white motherboard, and it's a Gigabyte board), so getting a Gigabyte GPU would mean I didn't need Armory Crate or some shit on there in addition to the Gigabyte stuff.
I had 3x DSC monitors (for design) and can only use 2x because the 4090 uses 2x internal display heads per DSC display. Hope the 5090 fixes this limitation.
I can see the 5090 fe being the coolest ever made (temps). I can also see it being easy to disassemble. And I can also see it being easy to get a waterblock.And the die will be an A class top bin.
These were my exact same concerns. The 5090 is 575 watts and Nvidia is making it a 2 slot card. There is no way this won't have compromises if not clock speed then high temps and loud ass fans.
I'm interested to see if the higher current handling of the flagship models actually equates to higher performance once tuned. If not, it doesn't make sense to purchase anything other than a MSRP card and install a water block on that as you're just spending money on a cooler you aren't using. If you can squeeze out the last 100 watts that card would have available to it I wonder if it can be done with a slider or would the Bios need to be flashed. I am also willing to be the refreshes or the next gen is definitely going to have more than one power port on it
The way I see it the 5090FE is under clocked and under cooled in an effort to promote AIBs again. There seems like they've left a lot of headroom there for AIBs to put the clock speed up and to make quieter versions and the 5090FE is going to be louder than the 4090FE. The big problem with the 4090FE is it was so good and much cheaper than everyone else, why would you buy the AIBs? Unless of course you wanted one for a specific reason, but I bet most people just went FE.
@@ZackSNetwork Oh look I'm right the FE is loud according to all the review leaks.... What a surprise a 2 slot and more power is going to be louder.... OH LOOK HERE COME THE AIBS!
Average space heater is about 1500-1700 watts...For context a bitcoin mining ASIC is 3200W and requires 220V and runs at 100+C - with those fans ripping so yeah he's right that FE will put off some serious heat.
I'm not sure I agree that it will be THAT hot (though it will likely not be below 50c either in light work loads). After all they are switching to liquid metal, most gpu liquid metal mods ive seen on TH-cam dropped the base temperatures significantly. In some cases over 20c. Especially since many of these mods add in large copper blocks too. The FE 5090 will be using a large nickel block instead with a gaint copper vaper chamber behind it. Which isn't as effective as a pure copper solution but more resistant to the liquid metal galvanizing the copper. Now if they were just using thermal pads, yeah, I'd be agreeing with you. The FE would have been basically a space heater at only 2 slots. Anyway I'm going to wait for the reviews. Since after watching Gamer Nexus teardown on the cooler, I do think it has potential.
1:13 so if it runs hot ? As long as it doesn’t underclock and running within spec then it shouldn’t matter Don’t get why it’s a big deal , no need to undervolt it and if the card gets cooler then the heat has to be dumped into the room so it got that going for it (I know t wise it’s not ideal but if it’s spaced that why then it should withstand it for a long periods of time )
Which 5090 should you buy? Whichever one your second mortgage will pay for, I guess. Oh, and don't forget to figure in the cost of the fire extinguisher.
What is your measurement for "super hot"? Is that above 70C or higher, I don't really understand the criteria. At least for my personal goals, I find that staying within operating temperature is just fine, I'll typically slow down my fans for better noise levels in my room even it costs me 5C or so. Also those heat pipes believe or not might have the potential to cool that thermal load, especially considering the fact that ambient is vital to air.
im glad i bought rtx 4070 ti super gigabyte eagle oc at launch 2024 jan from my 3yr old rtx 3070 Founders edition .😊 will b skiping 50 series and might upgrade in 60 supers or 70 series. 16gb vram will suffix for 5 6 yrz
Is it even going to be an itx card? In a sandwich layout how it the air going to leave since it is not designed to have air pass out the sides at all. The FE might need a lot of space for it to not thermal throttle. certain itx cases that aren’t sandwich layouts should have more performance than sandwich layouts though
Hey brother. Question, do you think AIB's like Asus bin the memory they choose for products like their 5090 cards differently than Nvidia FE cards? Or do you think the memory performance/potential OC is roughly the same? I was wondering if that might be another reason to choose an AIB over the FE cards...
But now we have the truth; The 2-slot 5090 FE is running at around 72 degrees @ 600W. That is nothing but impressive Lets just engineers be engineers, and noobs on TH-cam be noobs on TH-cam.
Did they not see the disassembly on that thing? the ribbon cables and tiny push connectors crammed on to a tiny little board. That thing is cooked, literally. lol
I have a TUF 4080 Super currently because I'm the same, I don't want a plastic looking "gamer" card. I'll probably go with a 5090 TUF unless I see something else basic looking.
For anyone looking, I found the gainward phantom 5090. Yeah no clue who gainward are either. But it’s so far the most minimal card on market. Although they had to go and put big white text and logo on backplate. FE still looks the best even if it’s unoptimal imo.
I currently have a 4080 S FE, and I will wait until the launch of the 5080 S/ti. I expect the launch to happen next January, and that the card will have 24 GB VRAM and cost around $1,200 MSRP.
Agreed, there is no way the FE is going to be the quietest. Have you seen the ROG Astral. At the same TDP, the Astral would probably be fuckin idle with the size of that cooler.
How do you know it is going to run hot? It sounds like they did a ton of research to make sure the new vapor chamber design works well. I think you are running on a bunch of un-tested assumptions here..... We'll see
Max 12vhpwr is 600w....575w is over the 80% rule. Gpu running at 96% the maximum spec of 12vhpwr cable. I predict alot of fried cards, fried psus, fried motherboards. Nvidia is going to force power limits and performance difference from 4000 series is going to be minimal. Screenshot snd save this.
This is my prediction: FE will be msrp, then AIBs will start from $2100 imo. So the low-mid tier brand cheapest models will be slightly more expensive then top brand entry models such as the TUF from Asus, will start from $2200. As for the top of the line models. I think the the Asus Astral will be $2600+ and the MSI Suprim will be $2500+. As for the AIO models, they will be another $300, so starting from $2800.
@ I would appreciate it if you could review the technical aspects of the product. Do you believe the hype surrounding it is justified? Please provide your insights on the M4 Max. It is possible that Apple may provide you with a unit for testing purposes.
Ridiculous, if you go back all the way to even the 1080 ti the FE versions just has had the best silicone and performance now to the point that people rush to try and get an FE.
So you don’t have a source for me to look at? And neither does he. All just opinion made to sound like fact atm. Saying that just makes him look foolish. Unless I’m wrong and he has seen actual testing of the fe that he hasn’t mentioned then I take it back.
4:42 space heater, no one knows what real heat is until you run a dual EVGA 3090 SLI set up with kingpin 1000w bios's 700w each, whole system pulling 1500w.
@@0xBolt i have myself a 3080 ftw3 hybrid and im playing in 2k ultrawide, with Dlss even Stalker 2 is playable. I wait myself for the super/ ti cards or then for next Generation.
50 series dont seem worth it to me. Wish it was more raw performance especially pulling a huge amount of wattage. Hoping 60 series or there super super cards will be raw performance combined with there dlss4 and mfg
At first I was excited by the form factor then the TDP leaked, I seriously thought it was going to be lower power due to two slots. No thanks, I'll wait until next gen.
Each store will get five the scalpers will make the highest price go high. That'll let nvidia make the price go up and it won't be worth it. 6090 will be $3200 i'm already doing bet in vegas
None... You should not buy the 50-series which is nothing more than dodgy, disgusting, deplorable marketing. The 50-series takes me back to pre Ryzen Intel days; the consumer being bled dry for sub-par product.
In fact all Custom Versions will be limited by their power limit: 575 W/ 600 W/ 615 W, so 25 W won't make any difference to performance at high definition (4K). Whether you choose a basic Zotac or an Asus OC, if you're limited by the 600 W power limit 😅. After that, you'd have to be an idiot to design cards with so much cooling: 4 to 5 fans and the size of a brick to be limited to the same level as the others 🤣 the clowns. No innovation, apart from the Founder edition model.
9 minutes is a long intro for a cat video
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Were people that excited for the 5090? I'm not really seeing it.
that's a good topic. One of the main reason I will not consider an FE is because you can't put on a full waterblock
100% man! Those daughter boards are a nightmare.
People are going to be really surprised by the FE cooling performance. The biggest bottleneck cooling GPUs was the fact that there is a massive wall the the fans were pushing air into (pcb/backplate). There's tests out there where a basic CPU cooler was strapped onto a GPU die and temperatures were extremely good. Having a full flow through cooler plus the liquid metal is going to keep this card competitive with the 3 and 4 slot monsters.
Yes and no. Their design isn't really different than cpu air coolers. Sure 2 towers cool better than 1 but most have around the same heat pipes as the new cooler design. 100-150w is usually what cpu coolers cap out at. Even at 300w it's going to be a big ask to keep the founders cards cool. Of course some small gpus have had power limits of 300-350 and done fine and these new ones will be more efficient at bringing the air away from them, but they will be far from 500w constant cards.
@Malinkadink according to cooling tests reviewers just showed, your comment turns out to be completely accurate. 72 degrees C is not exactly toasty.
Jufas...you clearly haven't seen Steve's incredible hands-on cooling results of the the prototype 4090 FE with it's 100% flow-through cooler design. At the SAME wattage, the prototype runs 20C cooler than the standard 4090 FE (TWENTY C), and was in the 40s & 50s under full load...it's WAY AHEAD of AIBs also..like not even close.
The 5090 cooler is a scaled-down version of the proto-4090's, so I would ecpect similarily-scaled results when you account for the decrease in the size of the cooler. That being said, the 5090 has a much improved vapor-chamber and is using liquid metal. I am expecting it to have a 10-13C advantage over a 4090 FE at the same voltage.
You haven't aquired one or seen a cooling bench on it yet you are drawing conclusions based on visual speculations? ...not too long ago if I recall, you were lecturing people who did the same thing regarding RAM speeds on the AMD platform. Let's draw our conclusions once the hands-on tests are done.
If the 5090 version of the cooler scales, the it's FE or NOTHING if ruining on air...those 4-slot cooling designs of the AIBs are MONSTROSITIES...what a bloody Joke. It's that 2-slot beauty or nothing on air (if it scales)...I've got high-end RAID, high-end sound cards (not built-in rubbish), etc to go in.
It's not that serious man. It's just hardware
I'm trying to think of what game I would want a 5090 for, coming up blank.
cs2 at 1440p 500hz oled
Red dead redemption
I have a 3080 i invested in nvidia instead I can get a free 5090 in 2 yrs
Plenty of VR games can take advantage of a 5090. Flight Sim 2024, Skyrim MGO, DCS
Solitaire in 10k at 240fps
My advice is wait a year and then gather all the information to pick it up next year. that's what I'll do if the card is good. Great video bro
Appreciate your advice my brotha. You don't miss bro 🤙
@@SNKev411 he always has good advice 🤞
Im glad I found this video, I wont buy the FE like I was planing
Is there even proof of the temperatures being "super hot" yet? Or is this all speculation with anecdotal evidence? Lets all just wait and see.
@@user-dn5bx2iu3e Just sold my white Rog strix 4090 on Ebay for $2275.00. Seems like it held its value to me.
I don’t really understand the purpose of this video I mean, are you really trying to sit here and say that you think that all of the engineering and R&D that went into the founders edition model would not allow that card to maintain its temperature operation? I mean, has there ever been a previous iteration of their founders additions that have done this. It just seems like this is kind of nonsense speculation based on nothing.
I do think you’re right when it comes to the water block specifically for this new generation because I’m afraid that the complexity of the PCB of the founders edition might make it take a lot longer for water block developers to come up with a user-friendly viable solution. Specifically because There are ribbon, cables, and structural elements that would need to be built into the water block, which means more materials that don’t actually do anything for cooling. It’s unlikely a real solution is going to emerge before lunch much less weeks after lunch. Or maybe ever.
Well you have to remember he always approaches GPUs from the perspective of max overclocking where more thermal headroom means higher clock frequencies. I have no doubt that the 5090 cooler will be able to handle the thermal load, but it'll certainly run hot and may not be able to reach the same peak performance as the far larger AIB cards. I do think the concerns about noise are misplaced since flow-through fans should be much quieter than ones blowing onto a PCB and Nvidia has made significant claims to this effect as well.
Hes a scalper and wants a better chance to buy multiple FE's
plus there isnt a game worth spending $1999 for it
the hardest games to run are also the shittiest games no one wants to play so whats the point?
If you want to game you can use a 1080ti. This is for ai
I want to have the best gaming experience I can have on my 32" 4k 240hz QD-OLED. so yes, I absolutely want a 5090 for gaming. But Im more excited for the 6090, since that will probably be a node jump, which means very likely a substantial increase in performance.
I will upgrade my 9800x3D to a 10800x3D or so, if its worth it, if I am CPU limited in some games. And yes, even at 4k you can absolutely be CPU limited.
but for now I def buy a 5090. Just not sure which model. Also I just hope that I can even get one at release. I will be off from work on Jan 30th and 31st, so I can F5 all the shops for whole weekend
@@DELTA9XTC I’m not sure why you care about performance if you’re gaming on a 4k monitor? Typically people who use 4k don’t care about performance due to the obvious performance tradeoff and why most people are still staying away from it
Good luck getting one everyone.
you too!
People are underestimating the flow through design of the FE cards. For someone like myself who has a top and bottom mounted 360mm radiator this is going to make my airflow so much better. It's literally removing a wall in my airflow and replacing it with a screen door. Not perfect, but substantially better.
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate the amount of time and effort that must’ve gone into the optimisation masterclass course tho.
No BS, no fluff and got my PC to where I wanted it to perform at, still grateful and do not regret one cent spent on it.
the cat is waiting for a 5090
AIB model for ease of adding a waterblock (never able to get hold of an FE here anyway). With waterblock if available at launch. My Asus TUF OC 4090 with 33% overclock hit 600W in Furmark and the Asus cooler keeps it about 80-85. Gaming usage of the 5090 is going to be about 400W at a guess which is no problem. 4K HDR gaming.
I’ll probably never watch your video again if you’re wrong about the temps and the sound. Also I’ll have 2 4k monitors so I’ll let you know. I’ll even plug it into my 8k tv.
I've switched to watercooling my GPU's some 6 years ago and I won't look back...
I've put a Kraken G12+Kraken x62 on my Gigabyte Master 2080 Super 1 year after I bought it - and it continues to work even now in my wife's rig.
And next I added double sided waterblock on my MSI 3090 Suprim X - a card that I bought 2 years ago as "previously owned" for about 875$. Undervolted it to 0.9V and it runs at 45-46°C in full load, in my very quiet rig, and runs games like a charm in 4k@60fps with a mix of high-mid settings and DLSS enabled, and no (useless) RT. Those 24GB VRAM work wonders for 4k too.
My next card will continue to adorn the waterblock "attire" either from the box or I'll mod it on myself. The temps and silence you get from doing it more than make up the effort and some extra $$. I'd rather buy my GPU second hand and use the extra doh to cool it properly than splash a ton of $$ on a new but air-cooled one.
Heck yea, the coverage was awesome & can’t wait to get me an Astral on launch day… hopefully lol
Jufes is right, 5090FE has 2 daughterboards and LM, good luck putting it on a waterblock !!
I am going to buy the white gugabyte 5090 to continue my all white high end build.
I want a 5090FE and a waterblock that is the size of a CPU block, the size of that PCB is making me so excited. I don't really know how hard they are to disassemble, though I don't love the ribbon connectors.
Its going to be very difficult to have a 5090 FE in a water block its 3 parts. It will be a expensive waterblock.
Honestly I want to buy a 5090 to play single player games (often older games from 2016, or even older) with 100 FPS+ on a 3440x1440. So I thought I would get the FE and undervolt it to the sweet spot in terms of power/performance/heat/noise. So I hoped at that spot it would run rather quiet. The main reason for buying the FE: It will probably be the cheapest one for a long time. Since I want to undervolt it anyway I thought it would be okay. But seeing this video - Is this not valid for my use case?
Why would you let some random fake outrage youtuber influence your purchasing decision? lol
This card’s gonna run hot. Nvidia had to come up with a way to do 2 blow-through fans because they wouldn’t be able to make it a 2-slot card otherwise. The AIBs with bigger heatsinks and 3 fans will push more air with lower fan speeds, and they will be clocked higher. This is just the reality for these high power draw GPUs. It won’t get any better until this level of performance is possible with lower power GPUs in future generations. Just some food for thought. I won’t tell you which way to decide.
@ Even if I undervolt it?
@ Sure you could undervolt it, but none of us know how well that's gonna work yet.
My first choice is the 5090FE but I know that is hard to get. My second choice is the Zotac Solid OC.
why zotac
@@jugado219 I just like the way the Solid version looks.
This is exactly my plan (bc my new case is a North XL so Zotac is my secondary lol)
@ADOS_DSGB my first option is asus astral 5080 but if goes for more than 1500 then I'm going TUF Gaming 5080 or Gigabyte Gaming OC 5080? Any ideas
@ its all personal preference. I like the less gamey design, less rgb, a more simple look.
As someone who owns a 4090 I don't see the value in moving to a 5090, will wait and see what the 6090 offers.
I am aiming for an Aorus Master ICE card, but that's purely because it's the best looking white card and if I do a new build I want to do a white one. But I'll admit it's a bonus that I'm planning on a Gigabyte motherboard (because again, there's only one good white motherboard, and it's a Gigabyte board), so getting a Gigabyte GPU would mean I didn't need Armory Crate or some shit on there in addition to the Gigabyte stuff.
I had 3x DSC monitors (for design) and can only use 2x because the 4090 uses 2x internal display heads per DSC display. Hope the 5090 fixes this limitation.
I can see the 5090 fe being the coolest ever made (temps). I can also see it being easy to disassemble. And I can also see it being easy to get a waterblock.And the die will be an A class top bin.
Alot of people will fuck up their card im sure, since they are using liquid Metal on the die
AIB 5090 2200 minimum for high end models
soon i´ll buy the "PC optimization masterclass". I am curious what i can learn new
These were my exact same concerns. The 5090 is 575 watts and Nvidia is making it a 2 slot card. There is no way this won't have compromises if not clock speed then high temps and loud ass fans.
I wonder if Kingpin will release his namesake OC card with PNY. That might be a banger. The ultimate PNY RTX 5090 KINGPIN edition.
I'm interested to see if the higher current handling of the flagship models actually equates to higher performance once tuned. If not, it doesn't make sense to purchase anything other than a MSRP card and install a water block on that as you're just spending money on a cooler you aren't using.
If you can squeeze out the last 100 watts that card would have available to it I wonder if it can be done with a slider or would the Bios need to be flashed. I am also willing to be the refreshes or the next gen is definitely going to have more than one power port on it
Hmm, Last time I got the 4090 FE but either I'm skipping or waiting to see which model I want.
The way I see it the 5090FE is under clocked and under cooled in an effort to promote AIBs again. There seems like they've left a lot of headroom there for AIBs to put the clock speed up and to make quieter versions and the 5090FE is going to be louder than the 4090FE. The big problem with the 4090FE is it was so good and much cheaper than everyone else, why would you buy the AIBs? Unless of course you wanted one for a specific reason, but I bet most people just went FE.
The 5090 FE will be an improvement not worse. Stop with the misinformation.
4090fe was unobtainium, tho...
@@ZackSNetwork Oh look I'm right the FE is loud according to all the review leaks.... What a surprise a 2 slot and more power is going to be louder.... OH LOOK HERE COME THE AIBS!
@@RIPSOE404 Where can I find these review leaks ? Any links ?
Average space heater is about 1500-1700 watts...For context a bitcoin mining ASIC is 3200W and requires 220V and runs at 100+C - with those fans ripping so yeah he's right that FE will put off some serious heat.
I'm not sure I agree that it will be THAT hot (though it will likely not be below 50c either in light work loads). After all they are switching to liquid metal, most gpu liquid metal mods ive seen on TH-cam dropped the base temperatures significantly. In some cases over 20c.
Especially since many of these mods add in large copper blocks too. The FE 5090 will be using a large nickel block instead with a gaint copper vaper chamber behind it. Which isn't as effective as a pure copper solution but more resistant to the liquid metal galvanizing the copper.
Now if they were just using thermal pads, yeah, I'd be agreeing with you. The FE would have been basically a space heater at only 2 slots.
Anyway I'm going to wait for the reviews. Since after watching Gamer Nexus teardown on the cooler, I do think it has potential.
1:13 so if it runs hot ? As long as it doesn’t underclock and running within spec then it shouldn’t matter
Don’t get why it’s a big deal , no need to undervolt it and if the card gets cooler then the heat has to be dumped into the room so it got that going for it (I know t wise it’s not ideal but if it’s spaced that why then it should withstand it for a long periods of time )
Which 5090 should you buy? Whichever one your second mortgage will pay for, I guess. Oh, and don't forget to figure in the cost of the fire extinguisher.
Good one. Open case has been fine for 4090 FE. I've not dared try to put the glass panel on my 7000D Airflow.
I was excited to get a 5090 FE for my itx build, but maybe not anymore 😅 might just wing it with the ASUS 5090 Astral or TUF
i think i know which one is the best, but im gonna gatekeep frfr, GL bros.
People already forgot 4090 FE was loud as fck?😂
What is your measurement for "super hot"? Is that above 70C or higher, I don't really understand the criteria. At least for my personal goals, I find that staying within operating temperature is just fine, I'll typically slow down my fans for better noise levels in my room even it costs me 5C or so.
Also those heat pipes believe or not might have the potential to cool that thermal load, especially considering the fact that ambient is vital to air.
im glad i bought rtx 4070 ti super gigabyte eagle oc at launch 2024 jan from my 3yr old rtx 3070 Founders edition .😊
will b skiping 50 series and might upgrade in 60 supers or 70 series. 16gb vram will suffix for 5 6 yrz
does the aftermarket brands like asus 5080 come out the same day ? are aftermarket better than the founders edition ?
People better hope PNY releases the Kingpin 5090....
Is it even going to be an itx card? In a sandwich layout how it the air going to leave since it is not designed to have air pass out the sides at all.
The FE might need a lot of space for it to not thermal throttle. certain itx cases that aren’t sandwich layouts should have more performance than sandwich layouts though
what kind of insane person would want an itx 5090 lol
@ people who travel a lot who actually want to take their pc with them
I got the aorus master 4090 and it's been amazing! I'll get the 5090 version! ✌️🇺🇲
I got the 4090 gaming OC, but for my 5090 I am considering the aorus master or the MSI suprim
@AthamAldecua I had the 3090 ti suprim, was disappointed with it. Ran too hot, but so did all the 3090 ti's. 🤷♂️✌️🇺🇲
@@AthamAldecua If the Asus 5080 Astral is not over 1500 my other option is the Gigabyte Gaming OC 5080. any sugentions
running 3090 aorus xtreme and that card is over heating so esay now its pathetic. 4 slot cooler
@Walhor I had both the 3090 and 3090 ti. Both would get crazy hot. It's not on gigabyte. ✌️🇺🇲
Good observations the 5090 is clocked down 'pro' and take your own risk pushing otherwise v AIBs fully featured. mb
Hey brother. Question, do you think AIB's like Asus bin the memory they choose for products like their 5090 cards differently than Nvidia FE cards? Or do you think the memory performance/potential OC is roughly the same? I was wondering if that might be another reason to choose an AIB over the FE cards...
But now we have the truth;
The 2-slot 5090 FE is running at around 72 degrees @ 600W.
That is nothing but impressive
Lets just engineers be engineers, and noobs on TH-cam be noobs on TH-cam.
Did they not see the disassembly on that thing? the ribbon cables and tiny push connectors crammed on to a tiny little board.
That thing is cooked, literally. lol
Vid coming on 27" 1440p 500hz OLED panel? Seems to be best for dual use single player and esports
What about a 4090 + Lossless scaling software is as good as a 5090?
EVGA was the last of the good AIBs...there is no reason to get anything but founders these days.
ive been going with msi gaming x trio since 3090 and i always just flash strix bios on it, works really good
Nah if u buy at micro center or best buy u can get 2 yr warranty and be good with any card
I just want a simple all black / minimal gpu for gaming and productivity. Any 5090 models that fit that need?
I have a TUF 4080 Super currently because I'm the same, I don't want a plastic looking "gamer" card. I'll probably go with a 5090 TUF unless I see something else basic looking.
@ maybe the prime cards? Idk why they wait so long for the pro-Art stuff
For anyone looking, I found the gainward phantom 5090. Yeah no clue who gainward are either. But it’s so far the most minimal card on market. Although they had to go and put big white text and logo on backplate. FE still looks the best even if it’s unoptimal imo.
I saw some video I think it was gamer nexus. And the 5090fe had liquid metal on the die, not sure if it was standard or not
Usually go for the FE model and have and love the 4090 FE. 5090 tho, ain’t touching the FE model and getting either the TUF or the Master
any advice on what I should upgrade from my 3080ti currently on a 2k monitor was thinking 5080 but wanted to maybe wait for the 5080 ti or super
I currently have a 4080 S FE, and I will wait until the launch of the 5080 S/ti. I expect the launch to happen next January, and that the card will have 24 GB VRAM and cost around $1,200 MSRP.
xtreme waterforce has no extra fan patent so... less noise...
4:34
Exactly: "This is what you buy when you don't want to waterblock*
People tough laptop were loud 😂
Agreed, there is no way the FE is going to be the quietest. Have you seen the ROG Astral. At the same TDP, the Astral would probably be fuckin idle with the size of that cooler.
How do you know it is going to run hot? It sounds like they did a ton of research to make sure the new vapor chamber design works well. I think you are running on a bunch of un-tested assumptions here..... We'll see
Jan 24th!
They told me when I was in the Nvidia booth? Lol
@FrameChasers nice! Lol
It runs in high 70s.. People tend to overvalue FE GPUs
Max 12vhpwr is 600w....575w is over the 80% rule. Gpu running at 96% the maximum spec of 12vhpwr cable. I predict alot of fried cards, fried psus, fried motherboards. Nvidia is going to force power limits and performance difference from 4000 series is going to be minimal.
Screenshot snd save this.
Ran all my 4090 with the Galax 666w bios, nothing melted. It's like believing 8pin cables are only rated at 150w (they're a 300w cable)
I don't believe the TUF will be $1999, it will be more. Probably the Prime series will take over that MSRP slot
Yes, the prime, windforce, and ventus non oc models should be $1999…should be 😏
This is my prediction: FE will be msrp, then AIBs will start from $2100 imo. So the low-mid tier brand cheapest models will be slightly more expensive then top brand entry models such as the TUF from Asus, will start from $2200. As for the top of the line models. I think the the Asus Astral will be $2600+ and the MSI Suprim will be $2500+. As for the AIO models, they will be another $300, so starting from $2800.
It's already $3k in my country
@@mikki7522 3k5 in my country
They might give themselves the best bins so that they can cool it properly 🤓
dude has some zest with his speech
And?
Can you review some Apple Silicon Macs? m4 max or m4 pro?
@@nerdworld0721 who’s going to pay for it?
@ I would appreciate it if you could review the technical aspects of the product. Do you believe the hype surrounding it is justified? Please provide your insights on the M4 Max. It is possible that Apple may provide you with a unit for testing purposes.
@@nerdworld0721 who’s going to pay for it?
There ain't no tests yet
im buying the Astral lc instantly
Sticking with my Gigabyte 4090 waterfroce extreme. I'm good. Ps 5090 wont be 2000 dollar card once it comes out. No way….
AIB 5090 will be 2500-3000+ usd
Ridiculous, if you go back all the way to even the 1080 ti the FE versions just has had the best silicone and performance now to the point that people rush to try and get an FE.
Love this cat! 😂
FE card will hold best value over time!
‘Runs hot asf’
Where have you seen the temps my guy?
Bro u must be troll
@@ELpeaceonearthnah seriously, where are you seeing the stress testing?
@@Lillelj brother go look at the specs and the fe card is smaller then the partner models
So you don’t have a source for me to look at? And neither does he. All just opinion made to sound like fact atm. Saying that just makes him look foolish. Unless I’m wrong and he has seen actual testing of the fe that he hasn’t mentioned then I take it back.
@@Lillelj ok diva
I appreciate you too man
I think the gigabyte cards look the best so far. Lord I never thought I’d say that 😅
Q: 'Which 5090 should you buy?'
A: 'No.'
4:42 space heater, no one knows what real heat is until you run a dual EVGA 3090 SLI set up with kingpin 1000w bios's 700w each, whole system pulling 1500w.
.... And some games still stutter
I grow trees u have no idea what 10kwats need industrial ac
Good to see Jufes serving his master 🐈🥰💪👍
Watercool my evga 3080ti or upgrade to 5090 tuf?
All depend which resolution youre playing and the evga Hybrid Kit is very hard to come by If its the ftw3 version
@@0xBolt i have myself a 3080 ftw3 hybrid and im playing in 2k ultrawide, with Dlss even Stalker 2 is playable. I wait myself for the super/ ti cards or then for next Generation.
@ I play on 2k 240fps. It’s still good, probably don’t need an upgrade.
water cooling only, sheesh.
None staying with my 4090
I actually agree, if your getting 5090 for gaming just get a monstrosity card like the Astral
Ill keep the 4090 and wait until I see what the 6090 or 5090TI is capable of, not in a hurry to buy fake frames
Spoiled rotten Kitty. 😆. Love it. Appreciate you to man.
If i don't want to waterblock and I just game at 1080p 480hz which do I buy?
a 5070TI should do that no problem
a secondhand 4090
5070ti.
people thinking 575w is a joke
I need to know how much the ASUS ASTRAL is gonna be.
A lot
@MarcoGiacon i bet, I'm just hoping its not more than 2500
@@Anakin_Ackerman in Europe will be near 3k
@@MarcoGiacon that blows man.
id rather get a root cannel then give nvidia my money
Ill never buy another asus card. Crazy coil whine, even under volted, under clocked. Had good customer service when the 12vHP melted though.
Every Asus GPU I get has nasty Coil Whine.
@@Killswitch1411 i Bought SteelSeries Arctis Nova Pro to cancel it out i couldn't take it. anymore.
50 series dont seem worth it to me. Wish it was more raw performance especially pulling a huge amount of wattage. Hoping 60 series or there super super cards will be raw performance combined with there dlss4 and mfg
At first I was excited by the form factor then the TDP leaked, I seriously thought it was going to be lower power due to two slots. No thanks, I'll wait until next gen.
Each store will get five the scalpers will make the highest price go high. That'll let nvidia make the price go up and it won't be worth it. 6090 will be $3200 i'm already doing bet in vegas
None... You should not buy the 50-series which is nothing more than dodgy, disgusting, deplorable marketing.
The 50-series takes me back to pre Ryzen Intel days; the consumer being bled dry for sub-par product.
This is all just pure speculation until the reviews and benchmarks come out
In fact all Custom Versions will be limited by their power limit: 575 W/ 600 W/ 615 W, so 25 W won't make any difference to performance at high definition (4K). Whether you choose a basic Zotac or an Asus OC, if you're limited by the 600 W power limit 😅. After that, you'd have to be an idiot to design cards with so much cooling: 4 to 5 fans and the size of a brick to be limited to the same level as the others 🤣 the clowns. No innovation, apart from the Founder edition model.