Jay Found Out.
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Fanboys on ANY side absolutely piss me off
It's so sad to see the state of tech reviewer. Very few honest tech youtuber, nowadays almost everyone is Amd paid shills who got paid to either overhyping Amd or making fake news to attack competitors which is disgusting business practice.
My 7800x3d 7900xtx is running beautifully for 7 months now 🤷♂️
Intel is better because it provides you with a nuclear reactor at home.
Same gpu paired with a 5800x3d for a year now. Absolutely satisfied with zero issues. 🤷🏽♂️
Amd fanboy not lying? IMPOSSIBLE !!
Well i run Intel and have no problems my Friend runs Amd and has no problem. Maybe if you care for OC to the tits it makes a difference.@@runninginthe90s75
I used to have a 5800x3d + 6800xt and swapped to a 14700k + 4080 and my pc has not had a single issue since. Amd was always stuttering with shader cache etc. Then new setup and all games ran smooth from the first second while building shader cache
Expo is not broken, I have a 7800X3D and 6000 CL30 and I have no problems with expo and I undervolted my cpu no problem have low temps, low wattages and I got a really good deal on it for 310 USD and have had no problems. I’m with a 4090 and I’ve came from a i7 6700k and I found myself pretty happy with this combo. The only thing I miss from intel is boot times, my boot time is 48 seconds but other than that I’m really happy with
Hi there, also have the 7800x3d no issues so far, but the boot time I believe is related to the mem speed, I set my 6400mhz to 5200mhz and boot time went down from 30s to sub 10s, also lowered latencies to 26-32-32-83 works like a charm
Have you tried turning on Memory Context Restore + Power Down Enable? Settings might have a slightly different name in your BIOS, but basically this way it doesn't have to train the DDR5 every single time but rather uses the last known settings that worked fine, which has significally helped people cut down load times
Got a 13900k a year ago and have had no problems of any kind that suit just works
Ignoring I got a refund from Intel for the shoddy 13700K, and than again for a shoody 13900K, only to land, successfully this time, on a 14900K - I agree.
Other than two easy-RMA's/refunds, it works (also, my dirty-psu and some bad settings in bios for testing likely pushed weak chips over the edge).
13700k here as well.
Played around with the eCores but eventually turned them off
5.4Ghz and uses 50-100W depending on the game. Could undervolt it further to 5.2Ghz if I really wanted to.
People don't believe me because the "mainstream tech" keeps pushing "muh 300W".
Considered making my own channel showcasing it.
same, everyones talking about stability and whatnot buy my 13900k + 4090 has been smooth sailing. AMD fanboys working overtime to slander Intel. AMD pays all these big youtubers to advertise their shit cpus and gpus and criticize intel but still no one buys their shit 😂😂
I've found a HUGE culprit on AM5 boards for instability is the VDDP voltage, I've been investigating this problem for months now just out of curiosity. VDDP is the DDR5 modules on-board I/O, and AMD spec is 800mv with an absolute max of 1.100V. Too many people leave this on auto and it causes a lot of problems.
My Asus board would not run any memory overclock stable until I discovered it was running this voltage in sync with VDD, so if I was running 6400mt/s RAM at 1.400V, VDDP would be at 1.400V too. Drop it back down to 900mv and I was able to have perfect stability and boot times of less than 10 seconds.
@@Davinmk The problem I've seen with the AMD stuff this gen compared to intel, is it usually doesn't crash it just starts to act funky and if you're only using it for a few benchmarks you might not even notice. Like back in the day when we had FSB overclocking and if you pushed too far, Windows would start wigging out. The real common things I've noticed are audio dropouts and issues loading web pages, but otherwise seems to be stable.
@@Davinmk And the crux of what he points out is these hoops you have to jump through to have it all work with no fuss. For enthusiasts, it's ok. For joe normie, not so much.
@@kramnull8962 lol, I run both brands as I have more fun benching and testing stuff than really gaming these days. Like Jufes I like to see the way things are working for myself instead of just blindly trusting internet sources.
@@Davinmk Ok, and? Did I say anywhere that this issue effects 100% of systems?
I just upgraded to 14900k/4090 Suprim LC from the 5800x3d/6900xtxh. Night and day difference. The AMD system is quite good considering the price. I think anyone wanting to get max for the money its hard to beat that combo.
5800X3D can babysit the 4090 no problem ;)
@@pav1uNah still bottlenecks 1% low and avg fps in cpu bound cases
@@pav1u 😂😂
7950X3D is a wet dud sure, they can't make the dice work properly, yet the 7800X3D and 7950X still beat the crap out of Intel for price to performance and efficiency
12/13/14700K exist and with memory tuning any of them are faster than a 7800X3D in games.
@@mylittlepwny3447 Un, no, especially 12th gen
U dumb@@mylittlepwny3447
I run Expo 6200mhz on a Gigabyte b650m 7700x no problem. That's on Gskill Flare 6000mhz that I got free in a Microcenter combo deal last Christmas. CPU undervolted at 5.425ghz and stability is excellent in everything using an Artic 240 aio.
i have a 7800X3d with X670e maximus hero board. My plan is once 15th gen comes out with new boards, i sell my AMD and replace everything with Intel
We have no clue if 15th Gen is gonna be good, though. Their going first time MCM.
@@Greez1337Fingers crossed it will be. I'm also planning to time my next upgrade to when 15th gen comes out.
You sir, need to buy a console.
I love my 7950x3D. With over 15 years of IT experience and 12 years a computer scientist.
I am exactly the target audience.
If I could ask you advice. I bought a 4070 super and a 14700k to replace my / 980ti - 5600x. And I want to undervolt my i7-14700k to improve temps but I really want to get my voltage to around or slightly above the 7800x3d wattage.
I plan to use this computer for the next 3-6 years. I record and stream video using OBS, I use Davinci Resolve to edit, and I play games at 1440p. Any advice ❤
Regarding memory training times, just turn on 'Memory Context Restore' and 'DRAM Power Down Mode' and it will boot just as fast as an Intel setup. Surprised Jufus didn't know this.
Could you explain this further? Asking so I understand as I'm not familiar with it.
This only applies once the memory has already been trained. Surprised you didn’t know this.
@@FrameChaserssounds like a skill issue
Also, if you have an Asus board you have to turn on MCR both in the DRAM timing menu, and under NBIO options for it to actually work.
@@FrameChasers Correct but you only do it once and from there on it boots fast every time
I dont know what to think anymore
Ive got a 7800X3D, MSI Mobo, 6000 Mhz ram, and no issues at all. Why anyone would buy the two other X3D models with all that gamebar BS is beyond me
Jeez Jufes, i did my best not to like you at first but it was love at first sight and I'm subbed for life 😂
I hear this a lot 😂 thank you man
You know how when a video starts, and your experiencing watching someone for the first time, and you get the feeling that person is fool of shit or doesnt know what they are talking about. ya, never felt that for a second watching jufes. if i was a chick id send you titty pics@@FrameChasers
@@FrameChasers had the same situation here, lol, greetings from argentina!
He is stunning, and brave!
Still have a Phenom II x6 1090t in my home server for network share folders and jellyfin. I haven't bought a AMD chip since it was brand new and installed in my gaming rig. I've got a capture card in the system and a DVD drive. Been using it to digitize home movies and archive all our old stuff. I can stream 4k video with jellyfin and it maxes out at around 80% per core. (don't remember if that was encoding or what. Was the max I saw the chip working when I remote in. Seems 30% usage ish if just directly streaming 4k at original quality, no encoding) Lil champ with 16 gigs of ddr3
Sounds like he never stress tested the memory. 😅
jay needs to buy a consult
Underrated comment!
jay knows enough to get into top oc lists, he'll whack in an intel chip, find his 24/7 stable oc's in an hour and it'll be rock solid stable for years.@@laz7354
Cautions
"But it works fine for me "in coming 😂
The part a lot of people leave out: "It works fine for me after I spent hours manually tuning and troubleshooting plus I have to periodically adjust things due to updates or installing something new"
(speaking from experience - "it works fine for me" because it's effort I'm willing to put in, but I also recognize most people aren't or even necessarily know how)
@@TheNorwegianDronePilot Don't bring logic and sensibility to this, it will destroy their narrative and they will no doubt call you "fanboy". LOL
Amd fanboys need to lie hiding their issues because they don't want to admit they are regret buying trash.
I have a ryzen 7600 and ddr5 6000cl30 on a asrock steel legend b650e expo amd to this day the expo on it doesn't work. I manually oc using a russian guy guide really hard and worked instantly. Later I found out why expo doesn't work: when I activate expo it changes a random voltage that I didn't change while manually ocing, (vddgio or something like that) and when I changed that voltage to auto it worked. One thing I can say that last bios update is godlike for oc-ing, the memory training is almost instantly now.
I was Intel forever and only recently went with the 7800x3d. All I do on my computer is game and it just works for that. If I was doing productivity stuff with rendering etc I wouldn't choose a 7950X3D.
10:26 is so true. i bought a 5800x3d and kept getting usb drop outs. Then i saw someone list a 7600x 7900xt for $1400 and keep lowering the price, i knew they had some issue and were just trying to dump it. i got it for $800. I paired the 7900xt with my 5800x3d and got my money back selling that pc. Then bought a 6900xt for $330 off someone that said amd didnt support opengl or something so they needed a 3070. I put paired the 7600x with the 6900xt. Then got the $400 12900k mobo ram deal and a 4080 for me.
Do you have mw3? I'm curious what you get for the benchmark on intel
I have currently a 7800X3D and im waiting for 15th Intel Gen Arrow Lake.
I love your content, is a fresh breeze in the air hehe. Thank you for that 😃.
But, fortunately, I can't complain, I'm having no problems whatsoever with the 7950x3D, especially since last bios update on my Asus x670e. It's been rock stable with gskill 6000 cl30.
I also have a 7800x3D and it's great too.
coz like he said: 7800x3d is the best cpu 2023. mine runs with 5800 cl28 and 0,96vsoc and 0,95vddp. this drops the idle power to 30w on igpu and 43w with my 4070ti. and in games, the cpu doesnt even use 50w around 5ghz. +50%performance and -50% powerconsumption vs my old 13600k. like 300% more efficient in cpu limit.
When I saw jayz video I couldn’t wait for your reaction lol
You Should have kept the 7950x3d. Get another and benchmark it for us. I have one I’m my system now with two sticks of Gskill trident Hynix 6000 cl30 memory and it’s been awesome. Never noticed an issue with scheduling. All I did was FOLLOW THE SETUP INSTRUCTIONS unlike Jay. No process lasso ever dude. I know you have a little data on the AMD chips at launch, but they suck at launch. We know this. It works now. Really well actually. Runs extremely cool and will outlast the frying pan intel CPU’s by 300%. Try it now…you won’t. The CPU literally allows me to play warzone while streaming, recording, and running remap software and I lose 0 frames dude.
makes me even more happy i invested in AM4 instead of AM5 because i don't trust AM5 after they had issues with tha Ryzen 7000 CPUs at launch so yea now i don't feel bad upgrading my gaming rig from an i7 4790k to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D for gaming
though my dedicated livestreaming PC is gettin a upgrade from a Ryzen 5 3600 to a Ryzen 7 5700X and also i don't think DDR5 is worth goin' for rn and also DDR4 ram is way better and cheaper imo
4:00 Jay is probably using Corsair memory. It’s subpar memory
The issue with techtubers like Jay is that he is not knowledgeable enough. He is very practical and seems good at putting together water cooling systems at a practical level, but not at a motherboard settings level for example.
Hardly anyone is doing manual timings and shit, regular users don't even know what the fuck a manual timing is or how to do it.
My first 7950X would not post at 6000 XMP on the old AGESA code. It would pass memory stress tests but BSOD to a ryzen driver even on new AGESA bios. Changed CPU and it works 100%. My first 7950X3D died in 1 hour on newer bios. Something internally shorted (soc?) and it killed my DDR5.
The comments from his video didn't see a problem with AMD though...
When I first watched the video a before watching your reaction I thought his CPU install or chip must have been borked. It's like a pressure issue or a really bad combo with the board, ram, and memory controller.
I have a 5900x and an RTX 4090 and though I don't have many issues I know the CPU is holding it back. My next platform will probably be Intel again in 2024. Being I'm on a $350 AM4 motherboard it is stable with CL36 B-die and 3600MHz. I had a horrid experience with ther R7 1700 and a pretty smooth experience with the 5900x but I have seen the DIP in some games. Plenty run great but the AM-dip seems to be real and especially on the multi-die parts. I want either Zen 5 or Intel's next CPU, but for now I'm waiting until those come out and people like you and TechYesCity look at it because you all are pretty honest with your findings. You don't pour sugar ontop of mediocre products. You just say it works or it doesn't and I really love that!
Talking about things that just work, apparently you never heard of a certain 5800x3D. Also I hope CL36 is a typo LOL
The 5900X is a pretty good CPU with lots of cores and cache and is better for gaming than say a 5700X but it's not as good as a 5800X3D. However I suspect the 4090 will be limited at some point by any current CPU. Lesser GPUs than the 4090 will probably not be limited by a 5800X3D.
wait hold up what AGESA update was he on ;))
Ever since my 5800x3D and my custom loop, I went Intel. My AMD system just gave me daily problem after problem, and was unstable. Intel...just...works. As always, keep FAFOing my friend, we all appreciate you and your truth!
What kind of problems? I have it and its just been working without issues.
@@abelmusic9355 Pubertal acne began to appear on his face
My 12900k has been giving me issues too, let's not pretend everything is rainbows on either side. I had 0 issues on Ryzen when I had the 3600 minus degrading towards q1 2023 after owning it for over 3 years.
Came back to this video as another reminder that I did in fact, FAFO.. got AMDuped.. never again lol thank you for just being an honest dude.
The problem is the memory controler on the cpu next gen apu or Zen 5 shuld be fine. Intel first ddr5 controler had issues to (windows scheduler is a work in progress for New no heterogeneous cpus)
Zen 5 is same IODie and memory controller
My 7950x3d is perfectly fine with x670e mb 👌
Switched from a 5800x3D to a 14900k (Not the smartest money decision obv) but WOW is the desktop performance and frame pacing just better. It's weird but it feels like everything is smoother from desktop to gaming use.
That's great to hear! Can't wait to do my once a decade full upgrade and see how well things run on Arrow Lake.
I dont feel like upgrading till Intel does CPU that is like 150% single threaded of 5800x3D when they expect me to get new MB, CPU, RAM.
You upgraded to a new CPU gen lmao what did you expect. Generational performance uplifts are not exclusive to Intel 😂
God I love seeing AMDip nerds rage at Jufes telling nothing but the truth about their purchase mistakes.
Take your AMDip fandom and purchase mistakes to reddit bud. Only people who mention 4chan are apart of 4chan. I don't even know what the hell it is. Weird seeing some fat nerd hate on another mans hustle lol. People that know how to tune memory or optimize in general don't need consults. I quite literally gave a 7800x3d and x670e rog crosshair extreme away because it was collecting dust, and the platform was so bad. I know, I know. You are trying to identify with your purchase mistake, desperately clinging because you are one of the ones who likes to argue about hardware on the internet but you can't actually afford it and test it for yourself. It's okay bud.@@TheSlickmicks
dude I love you're videos and agree with most of your points (personally own mostly intel and nvidia systems, 10+ of them including 4090 i9 13900ks, lol actually have no AMD GPU's atm) but would you really prefer it if it was just intel and nvidia as the only choice? I realize you never said that, but the message seems to be that. At least AMD are putting some sort of competition on the table. Otherwise we would likely be screwed with pricing. And would likely be getting shittier products as there would be no motivation to innovate.
Your videos are insane, your truly underrated
Im building a pc with a 3080 and i cant decide whether to get the 13700k or 7800x3d
I will be playing mainly esports games like apex legends, warzone 2, cs2,overwatch etc
does the extra gaming performance of the 7800x3d make up for the issues?
Go with 14700K then , amazing CPU
I bought it i found out 😂😂😂😂 only had it two days and the shit just doesn't work full stop.
The lasso doesnt work
The game bar doesnt work
The motherboards dont work
The ram timings reset
Takes minutes to turn on from gen 4 ssd.
Amdip
It literally just doesnt work 😊
Jufes wins again.
Trust somebody that actually uses the product and actually games / uses it.
Crazy..
Hi bro… do you aware of there’s System Agent bug in 14th gen, whenever you input SA higher than 1.32v and run testmem5, you probably end up freezing up the pc within 10 mins. This will happen even faster at higher frequency such as 8400mhz and above. If you don’t mind, kindly try it out.
Do you even game? 💀
Yeah saw that on the overclock forums…. He should test this out. I can’t because my z690 dark is missing the bios for overclocking it well…
I already know how to fix the bug
@@FrameChasers how bro? Mind to share a video about it
Unfortunately no, COD optimizers watch my content and steal as much as they can to sell it
Having no problems with 5700x@4850Mhz and 3733cl14 oc
My very first custom build was an Athlon XP, then Athlon 64, and the Athlon 64 X2. They were great CPUs. I switched over to Intel when Core 2 Duo released. I wouldn't mind going to AMD again if everything lined up just right. I stopped overclocking after Core 2 Duo and don't mind running memory at officially supported clocks. Long post times and widely unstable fluctuating framerates would irritate me the most if I ever ran into them. I'll have some serious thinking to do when I finally upgrade from an i7 9700K.
Was actually going to upgrade to 7950x. Thank God I found the Jufes. He set me straight. 14900K is my next upgrade now. I need to compete.
the 7950x works a hell of a lot better than the 7950x3d
I’m using 5950X overclocked, all stable , but I believe that this is the last AM4 best system I could have, next upgrade will be only Intel 14700k or 14900k/13900K
Even ignoring X vs X3D, the general consumer has no idea what the actual implications of 2 CCDs even are. Sure, Intel has P vs E core, but they've also had a few years to get better at scheduling and release Thread Director. AMD has done none of that yet.
@@skuckon I’m more focused on P cores if they add some more, all the rest not matter that much, I’m done with AMD
I've given AMD a go twice, both times they lasted a week and I end up back on Intel.
Good on AMD for making a comeback and adding competition, but they have a lot of weird stability issues that fans just ignore, at stock the 5900x I tried would just hard reboot on idle doing nothing, sadly it wasn't just me.
@@-Ice_Cold- Never had one cause me problems, been using them for a good 20+ years, but I have also used Cyrix, Athlon 64 X2 (best AMD CPU's they've made), so I go with what I've tried, still have a working Q6600.
I sure as hell never had a Intel CPU randomly reboot on idle with stock settings, or seen hundreds of people posting about the same problem with no solution.
@@Schoolofmonkey E6600, Q6600, 2 FX-6300s, FX-8320e, FX-8320, Intel i5-4690K, 3 Ryzen 5 1600s, Ryzen 7 1700, Ryzen Threadripper 1920x, Ryzen 5 2600, Ryzen 5 3600, Ryzen 5 5600, Ryzen 5 5600x3d............never had a single one reboot at idle UNLESS the ram was unstable, which was the case with every 1600 i had, couldnt hit 3200mhz only 2933mhz........and or if i had overclocked the cpu and didnt have enough voltage, it would sit randomly for an hour or two, but randomly it would restart and it was a voltage issue.
In the end, the AMDip gets us all.
Hey I am a CS ONLY player, My computer is built ONLY for CS. When I played CSGO I switched to Intel 12th from AMD 5600x bcoz you mentioned AMDip, and it just works, those micro stutters on AMD platform were gone. Now I switch back to 7800X3D coz Source 2 engine take advantage of 3D vcache and perform better than Intel platform, and i don't have any issue like booting time, memory EXPO, AMDip what so ever, I want to justify that If you play CS2 only like me, 5800X3D or 7800X3D is still the best choice, better TDP, ITX build friendly, EZ PBO for those who don't wanna fxxk around settings. As always nice content and have a good one.
I bet he had a defective cpu or mobo, and it was just slowly failing on him.
I knew this video was coming out after I saw jay come out with his. Meanwhile I still see people recommending the 7950x3d.
Hey man, do yo think LGA 1700 boards and CPUs will be discounted when Intel 15th gen comes out? Microcenter has some really good bundle deals right now but I am tempted to wait to either get 15th gen or a good deal on 13/14. I'm currently running 9900k OC with a 4090 and having zero problems, except for games with lots of CPU overhead like hogwarts. Thanks! great channel.
This is the first U-tube video I've watched of someone arguing with another video, weird but oddly entertaining.
Hi @Frame Chasers does the Asus Z790 motherboard have any issues. The reason I'm asking, I had an Asus ROG Maximus XII Extreme Z490 and it worked good for like 2.5 years until I started getting a blue screen, so I updated the BIOS and that was the end of it!! Now I'm getting a diagnostic msg stating "your computer has a memory problem"
Your videos are very refreshing. More people need to talk sh*t about cool things that don't actually work all that well.
(For what it's worth my 12700K system runs DDR4-3200, and it is pretty rock solid.)
Refreshing indeed, many tech reviewer nowadays are just secret Amd paid shills.
Is it 1440p?
glad i waited and bought a 14600k .
EXPO is pretty hit and miss between motherboard vendors. I can speak from personal experience of having a EXPO kit of memory that was on the QVL list for my motherboard and when enabling the profile the board would hang up on boots or reboots with error code 15 on the DEBUG LED.
Great Slogan " It just works man"
i’m happy with my amd cpu…
On another plane. So it’s da Jufes at 35k feet. 😆
Hey guys. so im wanting to upgrade to one of the x3d amd chips. But i am not sure which way to go, 5800x3d or 7800x3d?? Am5 having the newer chip set meaning maybe better future proofing and overall performance ?? or would the 5800x3d be the better option. It will be for gaming and some Python coding.
thanks
5800X3D is good enough
7800x3d is solid, no process lasso BS. No issues with my boot times or performance.
Hahaha 7800X3D no use Tiwtch/Streamers 😂😂😂
@@lightward9487 yeah, ALL gamers are overclockers and streamers
It was dead easy to build with the 7800X3D. No need for extreme RAM clocking because it's cached so I just went with bog standard 32GB 6000 RAM. AMD may not suit Frame Chasers but I wanted something simple, reliable and fast. 7800X3D is it.
not everybody is a streamer lol @@lightward9487
Yet nobody is talking about XMP not working on intel builds and AMD lmfaooooooo
I have the 5800X and I'm so happy with it. It's killer! I'm waiting for a while till a bew cpu.
After a year this Jayz video is still funny hahaha
8:15 meaning of life in a few seconds
I just built a 14900k with a 4090 after having amd since single core 3200 days. Do you have a video showing how to set this thing up the right way?
Assuming you're on a decent AIO and not some custom loop monster, lock all the p cores to 5.7, e cores to 4.2 and whack on a negative 0.075 voltage offset. If cores hit 98c doing a cinebench r23 run then drop your power limit by 10w until they max out at 97c or lower. As long as you get through C23 runs without an error you should be good for a 24/7 undervolt at around 1.325v. Keep your c states on to keep the idle wattage in the 5w to 15w range. If C23 crashes, drop the p core clock back to 5.6 and/or drop the negative offset by 0.005 until it's stable (so you might end up at negative 0.060), then go one more drop of 0.005.
Funnily/ironically enough, Jayz has a decent introductory video about it titled "How to keep your CPU from melting!" from 3 months ago that goes through the basics (although I think he's using a 13700k so ignore the actual numbers he's using). Also you can do what he's doing in XTU in your bios (pro-tip, hold shift when selecting "restart" in windows to bring up the advanced restart menu that you can select to jump into the bios).
Also most everything said about the 13900k/ks/kf also applies to the 14900k with slight changes in the exact numbers. My 13900k runs on a negative 0.070v offset (and a change to MSI's load lite) with a 270w short power limit, and the hottest core doing a c23 run is under 97 on my 360aio with Kryosheet pad, no thermal throttling and cinebench score is not far off what I got at stock when I first built the system (where it'll suck down 310 watts and quickly throttles). It's 24/7 stable and runs games perfectly (in games it uses much less power and is nowhere near as hot). Oh, and make sure you pick balanced for your windows power settings, the higher ones will screw with your core parking & downthrottling.
Doesnt amd also have segment for mobile cpu?
Gordon really made me laugh
Is he just making up an excuse so that his AMD base won’t get mad and turn him?Cause here we have Buildzoid on the other side talking about how much better the amd memory controller is that he won’t touch an Intel system with a 10 foot pole!
I was recommended by a friend to go Ryzen 7 5800x instead of intel. I found out months later when weird things happened on my computer and games stuttered. Made me miss my i7 8700K
This is impossible to follow. Bro you play Jays video for 3 seconds, then rant for 3 minutes. Bro who types in notepad to communicate to people ? Bruh.....
Not seconds into the future, eight months :)
F*cking real life tech Nostradamus!
-Actually just a smart guy who knows honesty generates the best bucks in the long run to your pocket, but Tech Nostradamus sounds much more cooler.-
I reckon the biggest issue for Jay is how many AMD fanboys there are watching techtubers and make up the target audience, and it's a real issue if the fanboys don't like what you tell them. It's why Shillware Unboxed takes it easy on every AMD product while shitting on anything Nvidia & Intel release. The "buy now" shit was just Jay getting annoyed at the never ending whining from people who complained they wanted to get new builds/products but were crying about the cost.
Yup, they are by far the worst among the larger channels, although they are now quite as bad now than they used to be a couple years ago (they were recommending Ryzen 1000 and 2000 series over 8th gen for gaming, lmao!!! 😂😂😂)
@@-Ice_Cold- Not even close. All the mainstream forums are absolutely filled with rabid AMD fanboys and only someone who is one as well would claim the opposite.
@@-Ice_Cold- It's now 6 years later and the likes of R5 1600 are struggling even more in most cases. Also, no sane person would expect more than 5 years of relevance out of an i5. Also, properly tuned 8700k still outperforms all 1st and 2nd gen Ryzens.
@@-Ice_Cold- It cost more than the 1st and 2nd gen Ryzens?!? What a load of bullshit!!! It was comparatively priced to R7s, especially around the launch of 2000 series (a friend of mine even got his for under $300), while the 1800x even launched with the price of $500!
So I understand that your content is more for the Gamers standpoint, but I have an AMD 5950X in a PC that I built and had no issues at all. Now mind you I don't do any gaming. My PC was built for editing and also more for Color Grading. On that note I do agree that you really shouldn't listen to all these major creators and allow them to influence you on what to buy and it's horribly wrong to push a bunch of statements that are factually wrong or misleading. Keep up the good work calling them out on their shit!
7950X3D and 7900X3D shouldnt of happended, but what the hell is the 14th Gen Intel all about?
Unless your PC is at least 6 years old, it's more of a scam. About 5% power increase from 13th Gen intel, so basically nothing.
Also the 14th Gen is locked on a dead socket, so you literally need a new mobo if you want to jump from it to upcoming Arrow Lake.
In my honest opinion it's a bad investment even if your current hardware is old.
Way much smarter move is to wait the new socket, so you will get at least some extra life on your next PC. That is, if you plan on investing to an intel machine.
@@elgestrazoer2833 Not to mention Intel loves their consumers so much that they locked APO to 14th gen. I'd be kind of pissed off if I plunked down cache for a 13900K, and can't even use that software, even if it will only have limited titles that take advantage of it.
@@davidandrew6855Wahaha! Yeah. Such a lovely bunch of motherfuckers.
Sure, i'm more confident going with intel because that's an ecosystem i have some real experience with, but i'm not giving that company any pass until they introduce a CPU with a socket, that actually has some level of longevity to offer for consumers.
My old PC is still kicking hard, so i have no hurry.
I kinda wish Nvidia would join the CPU game. That might give some more heat, and Intel would have to compete more.
"dead socket" who gives a shit, seriously, who are these people who change their CPU every year instead of just buying a more powerful CPU to start with.@@elgestrazoer2833
@@bigpoppa1234Sure. Go ahead. No one is stopping you from wasting money.
I'd rather have a cpu made for a socket that not only lets me upgrade it to a more powerful one, than the cpu which is resting on a dead socket(and is weaker than the new one) that cannot be updated anymore, but which also gives me the chance, if i so wish to, get a new one without having to literally buy a new motherboard.
Once again, do what you want, but i personally want to make sure my PC has a long life ahead of it.
Going with 14900k would seriously go against that goal.
I appreciate all the videos and have been enjoying your content. thanks for always keeping up with relative videos and honest reviews
I thought the 7800x3d was good?
Both AMD and Intel have issues. Intel crap if you have to delid, bigger air or AIO cooler, heat and undervolt to keep temps in check, search for god tier bin cpus, tunning memory kits, ram kits don't work.
That f... around to find out graph is the BOSS and so what I have experienced with AM5. Thank goodness at least I bought a 7800X3D Jufes. Wished I'd found your channel before I had to find out what I need to find out. 😂 😂 3 mins from reboot after changing SSD... think yourself lucky it posted at all. Well it's running now but I'm sure your right there could be someone else out there that needs to find out what they need to find out. :) Go team blue for the stability win. That graph is cracking me up still, so true.
amd is still better value though and most importantly it has better future upgrade potential people shouldn't really consider buying intel until they fix their power consumption
Friends don't let friends buy AMD...
Dash true.
Lol I agree with the cpu portion. As far as graphics the vapor-x Sapphire 7900xtx on DCS VR has me with no regrets........ I do run a 13900kf 😅 INTEL BABY.
My friend learned that since the fx8350
@@Davis2920022001 no, if anything its closer to the other way around, AMD GPUs are generally worse than their CPUs
Throughout my decade of building pcs, every single piece of AMD hardware I’ve had has been temperamental at best.
He's an "xmp and forget" kind of guy.
9:26 Labtops 👀
IDK man Jay most likely just wanted to change to the new Intel shit and lets be honest he probably didn't try too hard. He gets all this stuff from sponsors anyway so who really cares. That being said I've used both 12th gen and AM5 (7700x in my case right now) and they both work fine for me. It's really not that hard.
what is better for a stock pc, I want good performance but don’t want to mess with bios, 14900k/14700k or 7800x3d ?
I love these Jay videos. Keep em coming.
I have both Intel and AMD machines, quite a few I may add... Basically every Alder lake , Raptor lake, and Zen5 CPUs aka 13900k, 13600k, 13700k, 14700k, 7900x3d, 7950x3d, 7900x3d and the only one youre remotely right about is possibly the 7900x3d. Youre totally wrong and I'm specifically leaving this comment because I accept your challenge, you specifically called me out not by name, but your challenge to "Fuck around and find out" well lets do this lets find it out bud
I just found out. XD never buying AMD again, ill get 14900k and sit on my smooth running 5950x until I get those.
Sounds to me like you had a defective motherboard from the get go with your 7800x3D after watching your other vid on this too. Asus by any chance? If it is Asus it would not surprise me if it is defective. They are trash now unfortunately. Too big for their boots. QC went out the window.
Got a 5800X3D, so I'm in the clear. Yay, confirmed. But nah, these video be wild. I love it, lmao.
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I was getting stability issues with the 13600k. had to lower my RAM rated as 5200mhz to 4800mhz. Temps and stability issues with these new CPUs.
something really seems f...ed there
yeah I have a 2x16gb (32gb) 5600 kit at 6000 with tightened subtimings on. I have a 13600k as well, and it's undervolted/overclocked too in addition to my cache at 4.8. Either your memory controller on your motherboard is bad or you "lost the silicon lottery" on your controller as many manufacturers would say LOL. shits ridiculous. did you apply all on the XMP if you're using that?
It's not MHz, it's transfers.
@@liamm8518you may ask him what amount of ram he wants to run @5200 first
@@kramnull8962 It shows a lack on comprehension by the person doing the memory tuning. What else do they not comprehend?
You legendary Geek, you beautiful hunk of a man. Well done on this video, I believe in you. Godspeed.
…and some time later… intel CEO is pushed out due to poor company performance. Intel 14th gen i9 cpu have more significant degradation issues causing blue screens.
Then intel brings out a new cpu using chipset architecture.
Guess AMD are not so stupid..
I rock an AMD ryzen 7800x3d qwith an Rtx 3090 and it just works, but I am considering looking for workstation.. this time I will consider the 9950 from AMD .. i agree that 16 core x3d cpus do not just work..
intel used to be best for workstation but they draw too much power and their boost algorithms are too aggressive.
Disagree with one point, Intel Engineer all there processor product lines for Laptops, and have been doing so for years.
Amd one of biggest fanboy youtuber switching to Intel after he found out Amd products is just trash with non stop issues.
Meanwhile Amd fanboy : REEEEEEEEEEEE JAYZ GOT INTEL MONEY !!!