I built my house in southern Indiana out of poplar, oak, ash and beech with no inspection of any type. But then I live in one of the most free counties left in the state. The house turned out great and is way stouter Than if I had bought softwood lumber from the lumberyard.
You see several states where folks build log cabin homes with local logs especially off the land the cabin is on.. ie Alaska so that would be interesting to hear about.
Tennessee does offer a grading class through the forestry division of the University of Tennessee. And it does default to C grade unless a individual who has gone through the grading course inspects it and does a sheet on the lumber
And they say you "own" the land. If someone can tell me what I can and can not do with it, or on it... then I don't really own it now do I. If I want to build a house that will fall down in 2-years, that should be my right as owner of the land and owner of the materials I choose to build with. Well meaning folks in any oversight entity think they know better then me what's best for me. Well, no thanks, let me decide what I want and/or need.
@@johndell8679 yes... and the reason is all regulations are simply and money and power grab. Government... with ideas so good, they must be mandatory ! With respect to insurance... they are in the business of collecting premiums, not paying claims. They only want to insure when the risk of a claim is almost non-existent. Things built to regulations catch fire and fall down also.
You hit the nail right on the head brother! Start with your County Inspector first he/she is the one who is doing the building inspection! I asked my County and they told me I can use any wood/metal I want, if there’s a problem they will let me know when they do the actual inspection.
Always enjoy your videos. I agree with your statement that there are a bunch of old urban legend out there, and not just on using ungraded lumber for a dwelling. I debunked a few of the urban legends in my area. This kind of upset a few of my neighbors, because they were not in compliance or made a purchase of a certain size trailer, and could have purchased a better trailer if they would have done their research. Keep the videos coming!
Maybe I should have watched the earlier video first, but here's two questions: 1) Are lumber inspections expensive in USA? 2) Is there any other bureaucracy - except what Troy mentioned about banks and insurance company bureaucracies - that can be avoided by having your self-produced lumber inspected?
Always enjoy your information and videos. Just wanted to say contact the outsider channel. He is a Canadian building an entire log cabin out trees/ logs harvested from his grandparents property and prepped and milled all wood onsite with his woodland mills sawmill. He should have some info on Canadian rules and codes for his area.
Educate the inspector on how to spot unsafe lumber and let us be free. If the inspector clears it, 99% of the time it would be fine. Good heavens, a board is mostly a board. All this is really about is regulating us to death and getting more fees/taxes from us.
Good information in this video. I am a Code Enforcenemt Officer in rural upstate NY and to verify what you said, in NY it has been legal to use upgraded un inspected sawn lumber since 2007 if certain conditions are meet. The wording in the 2007 Residential Code of NYS states ( and still does in the current 2020 version of the code) that all sawn lumber shall be identified by the grade mark of an accredited lumber grading or inspection agency or a certificate of inspection issued by such an agency. However there is an exception to this Code that allows the use of ungraded or uninspected lumber for load bearing purposes provided the local authority having jurisdiction authorizes it use and the producing mill sells directly to the ultimate consumer or the consumer's contract builder and that the producing mill certifies in writing that the lumber is #2 grade or better. So it is possible but it hinges on the local Code Officer allowing it.
Can you please help me understand how this works if I live in a area with no code, or zoning? Can I legally build a log cabin home with wood off my own land?
@@RedToolHouse it is! Thanks to your video about wood inspection, it's totally possible for us in Forsyth, GA. They'll let us build a barn with our own timber but, the lumber for the house has to be stud grade or higher. It does not have to be purchased, just inspected. That's one of the reasons I'm really interested in the timber frame video. Love you guys!
Thank you for all time you spend for this information. I think Idaho may have something similar. A TH-camr that has since quit built a house a couple years ago and milled a lot of their own lumber. I don't remember any mention of lumber inspections. In fact I think a couple times the wood went from mill strait onto the house. Seems to me the inspection is for your own good in most cases. Although I don't want the government making that decision.
So I know you kinda went over this in a previous video but I was reading something that makes me think I may interpret it wrong. The grade stamp has regulations for the grade you give the lumber. But anyone can grade lumber as long as they stamp it themselves so they are held responsible for the lumber. So if I read all the grading codes and grade my lumber myself for my house and have it inspected in West Virginia then it will pass inspection as long as the grade is correct and stamped with my name. Obviously this is not stamping another companies name. Would this be legal and pass?
To sum up- Does it exempt you? Yes, and also no, but mostly no. Very context dependent. When in doubt, contact your local building authority, which is probably what you're trying to avoid in the first place. Lol.
We urgently need a whole set of exemptions in multiple codes to allow people to build their own homes. Not only lumber but electrical, plumbing, septic, etc. Everything is so tightly controlled that it makes housing inaccessible.
If I buy a 2 x 4 from Lowes and it was cut in Washington state is that not native, therefore if you buy American lumber from a big box store or cut from your own tree, Native is native and why would it exempt you. Just like sawmill lumber being legal it is all sawmill lumber. Your use of clickbait titles is stupid.
Maybe you should actually watch the video then you will see what we are talking about. Your 2x4 example would only work if you lived in Washington state (but it isn’t legal there)
I built my house in southern Indiana out of poplar, oak, ash and beech with no inspection of any type. But then I live in one of the most free counties left in the state. The house turned out great and is way stouter
Than if I had bought softwood lumber from the lumberyard.
You see several states where folks build log cabin homes with local logs especially off the land the cabin is on.. ie Alaska so that would be interesting to hear about.
Tennessee does offer a grading class through the forestry division of the University of Tennessee.
And it does default to C grade unless a individual who has gone through the grading course inspects it and does a sheet on the lumber
You not only gave a nice video but also gave valuable information, You are a good man and I wish you all the best.
AS always great info. Trying to get caught up. :)
And they say you "own" the land. If someone can tell me what I can and can not do with it, or on it... then I don't really own it now do I. If I want to build a house that will fall down in 2-years, that should be my right as owner of the land and owner of the materials I choose to build with. Well meaning folks in any oversight entity think they know better then me what's best for me. Well, no thanks, let me decide what I want and/or need.
What about insurance? There's a reason there's a building code.
@@johndell8679 yes... and the reason is all regulations are simply and money and power grab. Government... with ideas so good, they must be mandatory ! With respect to insurance... they are in the business of collecting premiums, not paying claims. They only want to insure when the risk of a claim is almost non-existent. Things built to regulations catch fire and fall down also.
@@johndell8679 I'm insured no problem. Native timber off the property.
A woodmiser band mill and a really nice house.
You hit the nail right on the head brother! Start with your County Inspector first he/she is the one who is doing the building inspection! I asked my County and they told me I can use any wood/metal I want, if there’s a problem they will let me know when they do the actual inspection.
Okay, so how do Log homes factor into all this? It's okay to build homes out of trees as long as they're not cut up/ milled trees?
Always enjoy your videos. I agree with your statement that there are a bunch of old urban legend out there, and not just on using ungraded lumber for a dwelling. I debunked a few of the urban legends in my area. This kind of upset a few of my neighbors, because they were not in compliance or made a purchase of a certain size trailer, and could have purchased a better trailer if they would have done their research. Keep the videos coming!
I really appreciate your well prepared presentations.
Maybe I should have watched the earlier video first, but here's two questions:
1) Are lumber inspections expensive in USA?
2) Is there any other bureaucracy - except what Troy mentioned about banks and insurance company bureaucracies - that can be avoided by having your self-produced lumber inspected?
Always enjoy your information and videos. Just wanted to say contact the outsider channel. He is a Canadian building an entire log cabin out trees/ logs harvested from his grandparents property and prepped and milled all wood onsite with his woodland mills sawmill. He should have some info on Canadian rules and codes for his area.
A good percentage of our lumber gets exported to the US even though there's an illegal tariff imposed on it. Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada
always a delight, thank you!
Great info for the soon to be homesteader. Thank you
did you ever indicate how much it cost for the inspection you had? how many board ft was inspected? thanks
A registered mill requires grading school to sell lumber but not for home use but INSURANCE may require state graded lumber in the insured house.
Very interesting thank you. God bless Kansas
Very interesting, thanks for sharing
Educate the inspector on how to spot unsafe lumber and let us be free.
If the inspector clears it, 99% of the time it would be fine. Good heavens, a board is mostly a board. All this is really about is regulating us to death and getting more fees/taxes from us.
Thank you for this video
Good information in this video. I am a Code Enforcenemt Officer in rural upstate NY and to verify what you said, in NY it has been legal to use upgraded un inspected sawn lumber since 2007 if certain conditions are meet. The wording in the 2007 Residential Code of NYS states ( and still does in the current 2020 version of the code) that all sawn lumber shall be identified by the grade mark of an accredited lumber grading or inspection agency or a certificate of inspection issued by such an agency. However there is an exception to this Code that allows the use of ungraded or uninspected lumber for load bearing purposes provided the local authority having jurisdiction authorizes it use and the producing mill sells directly to the ultimate consumer or the consumer's contract builder and that the producing mill certifies in writing that the lumber is #2 grade or better. So it is possible but it hinges on the local Code Officer allowing it.
Can you please help me understand how this works if I live in a area with no code, or zoning? Can I legally build a log cabin home with wood off my own land?
So, basically, the money in the pie box scene in Shawshank Redemption.
Lol we just got back from vacation and there was a huge tree fall in the forest behind our summer house.
If it fell in the forest did it make a sound?
Alot of logs come here Ohio from WV I know a local trucking Co that hauls from there everyday lots of mills in Vinton County Ohio
When are you going to get to the timber frame builds? 😁
Trying to get more info from a couple sources. It is interesting how things differ when it comes to timber frame
@@RedToolHouse it is! Thanks to your video about wood inspection, it's totally possible for us in Forsyth, GA. They'll let us build a barn with our own timber but, the lumber for the house has to be stud grade or higher. It does not have to be purchased, just inspected. That's one of the reasons I'm really interested in the timber frame video. Love you guys!
This was very interesting! Thanks for clearing this up 😊
Thank you for all time you spend for this information. I think Idaho may have something similar. A TH-camr that has since quit built a house a couple years ago and milled a lot of their own lumber. I don't remember any mention of lumber inspections. In fact I think a couple times the wood went from mill strait onto the house. Seems to me the inspection is for your own good in most cases. Although I don't want the government making that decision.
Heh I remember them. They never finished the place and quit. Saying they were in over their heads would be a massive understatement.
@@spyder2289 yea I think we are thinking of the same channel.
History buffs might want to look up New Hampshire's Pine Tree Riot to get an understanding as to why they have the oldest lumber laws.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Tree_Riot
From New Hampshire thanks.
Christmas tree farmers getting drunk and wild?
@@thisismagacountry1318 That, no doubt, was the perspective of the king's loyalists. Then the christmas tree farmers kicked their asses.
So I know you kinda went over this in a previous video but I was reading something that makes me think I may interpret it wrong. The grade stamp has regulations for the grade you give the lumber. But anyone can grade lumber as long as they stamp it themselves so they are held responsible for the lumber. So if I read all the grading codes and grade my lumber myself for my house and have it inspected in West Virginia then it will pass inspection as long as the grade is correct and stamped with my name. Obviously this is not stamping another companies name. Would this be legal and pass?
Tell them you're a sovereign citizen.
They LOVE that.
No, that will not pass inspection. The lumber stamp has to be from an ALSC (American Lumber Standards Committee) approved agency.
no building codes where i am at.
Think about insurance for your building. Insurance companies may not accept you if building is not built with code approved materials.
you can use your own lumber except for the roof trusses
To sum up- Does it exempt you? Yes, and also no, but mostly no. Very context dependent. When in doubt, contact your local building authority, which is probably what you're trying to avoid in the first place. Lol.
How would that work with log cabin building?
We are going to do a video soon about log cabins.
Indiana has the log cabin rule
We urgently need a whole set of exemptions in multiple codes to allow people to build their own homes. Not only lumber but electrical, plumbing, septic, etc. Everything is so tightly controlled that it makes housing inaccessible.
Good our four fathers did not have all this BS. we never would have gotten of the ground. Rules are great until they are not.
Forefathers, the four fathers were in Lethal Weapon 4.
@@thisismagacountry1318 LMAO Good point.
If I buy a 2 x 4 from Lowes and it was cut in Washington state is that not native, therefore if you buy American lumber from a big box store or cut from your own tree, Native is native and why would it exempt you. Just like sawmill lumber being legal it is all sawmill lumber. Your use of clickbait titles is stupid.
Maybe you should actually watch the video then you will see what we are talking about. Your 2x4 example would only work if you lived in Washington state (but it isn’t legal there)
listen to the Frogs
Hmm.. too miuch dependence on "the law". do what you do.