Just give the show a soap opera title, Rings of our Lives, Gondor 90210, Rohan after Dark, etc. At this rate, we'll get a sappy story about an Orc/Human relationship complete with social commentary.
If I was ever as creative as Tolkien, I'd just make my work public domain before I died. Otherwise, it's guaranteed that some asshole descendant of yours will ruin your legacy for some money.
Just wait until they reveal Adar is Celeborn, Galadriels husband who went missing during the war against Morgoth. He even called her “Tauriel” which is essentially her husbands baby girl name for her, no one else would do that.
It’s why he knows the name of Elronds mother, and when Elrond retorts “you’ve never seen me use a pen or a sword” he’s wrong on both accounts Celeborn has seen him do both. Her ring Nenya has already been shown to have healing powers and will probably revive him to his original form freeing the orcs to join Sauron
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity-or, in this case, hubris. I see no reason to think that Payne, McKay, and the writers' room are deliberately choosing to antagonize those for whom Tolkien's writing is important. But I think that they are not in that category of fans. To them, Tolkien's legendarium is nothing but a 'franchise' (a word I hate in this context-it sounds like a hamburger chain), a collection of text that is to be mined in order to tell their own story, because they fancy themselves as skilled writers with Something Important to say to 'modern audiences'. It isn't that they hate Tolkien, or the fans; it's that they just don't care, and so cannot imagine the way in which Tolkien's work matters to the fans. The sad irony is that Tolkien's writings were themselves a revolt against the modernism that Tolkien and Lewis and their friends saw in literature. Nobody was writing the sort of stories they liked, so they wrote the stories themselves. Tolkien was not dismayed by critics like Edmund Wilson ('Oo, Those Awful Orcs') and their strong dislike of his books, because he did not himself care for the sort of books they liked. And Tolkien would (I think) have disliked Rings of Power even if it had been written without reference to his own creation. This 'fantasy' does not provide escape from our world, because the heroes and villains have been reduced to banal ordinariness. It is just a modern story in fancy dress.
No. The truth is that at this stage of the l stupidity game is no longer something you can consider. The writers, directer, and actors all know what the source material is because the fans have flamed this show for almost 2 years with an abundance of source material refutations to everything these malicious creepy amazon creators have put into production. The only answer is malicious intent by amazon. Especially when writers, actors and producers are directly challenged during interviews about the controversies concerning their hated amazon series. They know the fans are pissed off. They are now on purpose pissing off the fans. This is now a pissing match by Amazon against the fans. This is only about WOKE idealogy, not about making money. These woke communists have already done this to numerous franchises, so it is plain that all of this a declared war against all franchises and the real fans. The question is do we let them get away with this or do we make them pay by denying them our money.
The shipping is more a reflection of the writers' lack of talent and own emotional immaturity than of anything else. They have no idea what a stable relationship looks like so they write this childish CW series level will they/won't they garbage.
The Galadriel/Elrond kiss pissed me off SO MUCH. One of my friends who’s not a Tolkien fan at all thought it was funny how mad the fans were about it saying it was just a distraction. The separation between Tolkien fans and casual fantasy tv watchers not lost on me at all 🤣 the audience shipping everyone makes me sick I hate Rings of Power
By the way have you noticed how Rings of Power shies away from every canon couple? Galadriel and Celeborn are not a thing. Elrond meeting Celebrian isn’t happening. Hell, the only character who has a wife in the show is Durin IV. Everybody is single in Middle-Earth. It’s really weird. It’s not a coincidence that Amazon chooses to do this
I quit watching ROP after episode three of season one. Kinda flabbergasted there are still people left watching this outcrop of shameless infantility. The one good thing about this show is that it is reminding people how good Tolkien's writing actually is.
Remember how they made a big deal about the theme song for the troll before the season started? Based on that, at the very least you would have thought that character would have been treated well. But nope.
Didn't he blame of Mirdania's death depend on where you were standing? If you were standing in front of Celebrimbor, It wouldn't work. It's only because you're behind a camera obscuring what was going on that you're blaming Celebrimbor.
'Rings of Cringe' = 1st Middle-earth telenovela Guyladriel has a tempest in her soul: the young, good looking Elv is torn between her loyal friend Elrond and the mischievous playboy Sauron. Power or passion? What will she choose? ❤
It's like they have the perspective of "we bought this franchise so we can do what we want with it." Makes ya wonder why they paid all the money for the story if they weren't gonna use it.
Well, they've ticked off another Mary Sue box. Galadriel is perfect in every way, she's always right (even when she's wrong, she's still right), she's more powerful than anyone else, all women want to be her, and all men want to be with her. And there's no need for her to have character growth or an arc because she's already perfect.
I don't even why I'm around anymore. Adar, basically lol He's not even a canon character. I call him ASMR. I want him to build a cottage somewhere and just read lore to us. Maybe with a warg by the fireplace. Everyone else can burn in Mount Doom for all I care lol
Yeah that was not a friendly family like peck lmao, that was a deep passionate semi open mouth kiss. If I were to see one of my friends kiss his sister, cousin, or mother like that I would have some VERY strong concerns for what goes on there behind closed doors.
Seeing that scene made me sick to my stomach. I hope those ROP hacks know nothing but disdain for the rest of their professional careers. You make me sick.
Im still watching it, not as a paying Amazon Customer of course😜some of the scenery like Ost-in-Edhil (Eregion Capital) and inside Khazad-Dum are fine and that is the main reason im watching it, to see how they display Places we only know from the Books. The musical Arrangements are decent aswell.
They didn't recast Bronwyn because she wasn't important enough to keep around, but Adar needed to be kept at least for the end of this season (the only way he survives this season is if the theory of him being a corrupted Celeborn turns out to be true). The "Southlands" plotline this season is completely and utterly irrelevant anyway and only exists to show that Isildur is still alive.
this series is giving me a headache,l read The Hobbit and LOTR(l tired to read The Silmarillion but gave up)it’s an abomination of the source material 😓
They surely disdain and despise the fans but I really don't think they doing it on purpose, they are just trying to make a good, endearing and entertaining story for TV, but they just failing at it because they are terrible writers. They are shipping every character together because they don't know how to do anything else, that's their only tool available to try to desperately make these characters as least a bit endearing for the audience, and even that it's not working, that's how terrible they are, they can't even pull out some CW level of romance.
Do you think the Tolkien Estate were secretly laughing as they green lit this project knowing that it would disenfranchise Tolkien fans from the series?
They clearly based Adar on Ëol (the isolated dark elf parent of Thingol and black smith of two black meteorite blade swords). Only Ëol could saw Melian because Ëol dealt with his parents in Doriath where she resided. And Adar got a black blade / dark looking sword. And is armor got a river carved on is chest ….. like the river Esgaldui crossing the great forest of Doriath And ! 😂 Ëol is a dark haired elf … like Adar.
Eol is not the parent of Thingol, Thingol is one of the very first elves who woke or perhaps the son of the very first elves that woke up in Middle-earth which were parentless. Eol simply lived in Thingol's forest Doriath and paid tribute (without wanting to) to Thingol. Not sure what you meant by "Only Ëol could saw Melian because Ëol dealt with his parents in Doriath where she resided" but Melian was visible to everyone in Doriath, elves and men. Eol's parentage is not known but it said to be a kinsman to Thingol in some way. Adar is not Eol but is probably (idiotically) Celeborn in this awful show...
@@takuid I was thinking about in the « dark elf kind of » category …who fit more with Adar who still live at the timeline of RoP. Or the other one I could think of is Maglor. I dont think we know how\if he died?
@@PLMTL87 I think dark elves like Eol and his son Maeglin (maglor was a son of Feanor) were very rare and basically their preference for darkness instead of light was reflected in their moral choices in the stories. Eol and his son were both cunning, and had increased skills in delving of metals (similar to dwarves, Eol was very friendly with dwarves for example and Maeglin was the best delver of ore in Goldolin) compared to other elves. And they both did evil deeds at some point in their lives (both of them died in Goldolin I believe). Maeglin definitely died when Gondolin fell in the first age. Eol died earlier. I do not believe we come across other dark elves being mentioned in the second age for example. They were exceedingly rare, like a rare mutation (their affinity to darkness instead of light) in the elven population. I do not think they worshipped Melko though, although Maeglin was eventually captured by him and compelled to betray Gondolin. Adar, does not really have those traits as far as I can tell. Dark elves are not really elves corrupted by Melko and tuned into orcs. Adar is like what ROP writers think how elves became orcs (this is a topic that leads to many inconsistencies in Tolkien's writings, which he was aware of). In my personal opinion Tolkien had some better ideas about how orcs came to be that he did not focus on too much and could not resolve in the direction he chose with "corrupted elves and men" idea. He did not finalize the origin of the orcs definitively. I am pretty sure it will be Celeborn in disguise or him partially corrupted by Melko somehow working against Sauron for his own purposes (empathy with orcs?). It is just a whole mess. It makes no sense and it certainly is not what happens in the real story as you know.
So glad I've never watched this show, hats off to the people who stuck to it for review reasons. To everyone that watched it, why would you do that to yourselves?
One of the many things which I do not get is (caveat: I have only read LOTR so I am not strong in the ways of lore): in ROP, these rings are being made with such speficity of number yet the show has shown only four wearers, only one of whom seems chosen (King Durin). Who are the candidates for Men? ROP has not shown us 9 candidates. Theo? Farazon? I dunno this show has lost me with its obtuse, covert complexity combined with its shallow, gaudy stories.
No, the Tolkien estate does not green light the scripts. That’s not how adaptations after acquiring IP rights work, and the showrunners would never have agreed to something like that. GRRM doesn’t have green light power over an ASOIAF show. Amazon acquired the rights. As part of that deal they gave Simon Tolkien a credit on the show, just like GRRM has an EP credit on GoT & HOTD. HE DOESNT ACTUALLY HAVE THE POWER TO STOP WHAT THE SHOWRUNNERS WANT TO WRITE, otherwise Simon Tolkien would be the showrunner. Once they sold the rights, Amazon’s showrunners can write whatever they want. Whatever tiny bit of involvement Simon has is just for marketing and to keep Tolkien’s estate from posting negative things about the show. Name one person that has sold the TV rights to something and also maintained greenlight rights over every script, without being the showrunner…
You're totally wrong. Amazon only has rights to the LOTR trilogy and appendices and case by case approvals for other events/names. They don't have the rights to all of Tolkien's work and the estate works with the show to ensure they remain within the limitations of the rights they've purchased. They can't just include anything Tolkien wrote.
You really should do a quick google before you yell at people about how something is being done, cos you clearly don't know anything about how this particular show is being made.
They hate Tolkien too. Lets be real. Tolkien and the nerds that enjoyed his work were the people that bullied them growing up. Or something uncreative like that :P
I forced myself to finish the first season just to see how bad it was going to be. That was all I needed to see of that show. It's just bad all around in every facet of its being. I haven't watched a bit of season 2, and I have not heard anything that would make me change my mind. The ignoring of the lore to this degree is wild. Why would you think angering the fan base is in any way a positive for your show. People without a shred of the talent Tolkien displayed are delusional in their belief that they can do better than the master. Terrible writing and awful lines written by fools attempting to copy Tolkien's writing style.
The kiss was pure blasphemy. These modern creatives are mentally ill. Narnia is next. They gave a Christian inspired story to a radical feminist writer/director. Get ready for female queer Aslan.
I got a bad feelin alot of resurrection is about to happen. The troll, don lemonlas, probably a few more. If not well then they based the troll on the way the Actor playing Mike looked. And that is just pure hatered towards the way a person looks. Equalityyy everyone, where you get your inclusion but in the worst descriptive way possible without any substance and solely based on their looks. Just F off.
@@ThatSockmonkey troll big. Troll important. Troll dont do much. Troll not like mike from uga buga breaking bad. Troll just looks like mike now that troll dead. Same with black elf uga buga. If they dont live again they there for numbers only. Uga buga. My caveman is a little rough, hope it helped.
@@allcohoIic no, that didn't help. I speak English? Could you try just plain English? I don't understand what your complaint is, and I'm trying to understand. But if you prefer to be a butthole about it, that's fine too.
I don't think anyone who was a LotR fan hoped RoP to be a failure, but that doesn't mean that being slavishly optimistic is to anyone's benefit either. LotR isn't great because it's set in Middle Earth. It's great because it's a well crafted story. RoP is just a badly crafted story, regardless of its setting. There's no reason why anyone should be rooting for something to succeed just because a gigantic corporation spent hundreds of millions of dollars to buy the rights to make a series that is constructed in the same setting, especially since the construction is so shoddy on so many different levels. I can understand the appeal of being a contrarian to a stance on a side of a perceived culture war, but you're missing the mark if you think Amazon deserves any credit or support for this project. I think misplaced optimism isn't any better than misplaced pessimism in this case. You make the statement: "I mean we all win if something is good" but if we are to take that thesis as having merit, we also have to accept the inverse can also be the case, that 'we all lose if something is bad'. And with RoP... we all lost.
Keep making up these excuses as the Tolkien Estate looks at every RoP script before confirming them be ok with what content is allowed in them and corrections if you're not happy then why aren't you calling them out then send them letters. All you have to say is you prefer the PJ films despite him heavily changing the lore as well as creating scenes that didn't happen like Islidur and Elrond in mount doom with the ring, Gandalf vs Saruman at Orthanc, No Elves at Helms Deep and so on then changed the motives of many characters too the list goes on but no criticism by some channels so called Tolkien fans because they were great films. I am glad RoP isn't like PJ films as it should be different.
Things work differently in the Elven world. Emotions are heightened, feelings of strong affection and kinship expressed. Elrond whispers emotionally "Forgive me" to Galadriel because he will not yield Galadriel's Nenya's ring to Adar in return for Galadriel's life. And Galadriel wouldn't have it any other way. Galadriel whispers fiercely back to Elrond, "WIn!". Galadriel does not want Elrond to surrender her Nenya's ring to Adar. Galadriel made Elrond promise to pursue Sauron at all costs, even if it meant putting that above or costing Galadriel her life. Elrond is absolutely heartbroken and distraught that he cannot put Galadriel's life above giving power to the enemy, Adar and his Orcs. Elrond knows his answer to Adar, refusing to give up the ring, is essentially a death sentence for Galadriel. So Elrond expresses his deep affection for Galadriel by giving her a tender kiss, essentially expressing his deep love and affection for Galadriel. That it's absolutely KILLING him that he can't save her life even thought that possibility has been offered to him by Adar. His kiss to Galadriel is his message to Galadriel is that he does not love Galadriel any the less, by refusing to save his dearest friend's life. In the 1st episode, in Season 1, Elrond said that Galadriel was conflicted and here is Elrond suffering a deep conflict - saving Galadriel's life verses trying to save Eregion and her Elven inhabitants.
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Just give the show a soap opera title, Rings of our Lives, Gondor 90210, Rohan after Dark, etc. At this rate, we'll get a sappy story about an Orc/Human relationship complete with social commentary.
All My Orc Children; The Dumb and the Ageless; General Orcspittle; As Middling Earth Turns
Guiding Dark
Gandolph the Grey's anatomy
Simon Tolkien is not the guardian of his grandfathers' work, he is selling it off for as much as he can before it becomes public domain.
Precisely
If I was ever as creative as Tolkien, I'd just make my work public domain before I died. Otherwise, it's guaranteed that some asshole descendant of yours will ruin your legacy for some money.
Just wait until they reveal Adar is Celeborn, Galadriels husband who went missing during the war against Morgoth. He even called her “Tauriel” which is essentially her husbands baby girl name for her, no one else would do that.
It’s why he knows the name of Elronds mother, and when Elrond retorts “you’ve never seen me use a pen or a sword” he’s wrong on both accounts Celeborn has seen him do both. Her ring Nenya has already been shown to have healing powers and will probably revive him to his original form freeing the orcs to join Sauron
Shouldn't he have been the one to have kissed her then? I want Adar to stay Adar. Celeborn probably doesn't want to come back lol
That is so stupid, so you’re probably right…
Oh yes, Adar is Celeborn. The ultimate siIIy plot twist.
@@SenChalcolithic exactly
they could have picked a random Tolkien fan to supervise his estate and they would be better than Simon Tolkien
Just take the top fanfiction writer.
An 8-ball might have done a better job.
Family man Orc will save Galadriel's life and be granted safe passage to Valinor with mamma Orc and crying baby Orc to start a new life 😅
l think a flashback to when they first met would have enhanced the episode 😅
Orcs of our lives!!!
Now I know that Gil-galad kissing Papa orc in the season finale will be controversial for some but, trust me, they're going somewhere with it.
@@dlxmarks not as controversial as Gandalf and Tom Bombadil kiss, trust me, they're going somewhere with it 😀
And they will show everyone in Valinor how Diversity is their Strength.
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity-or, in this case, hubris. I see no reason to think that Payne, McKay, and the writers' room are deliberately choosing to antagonize those for whom Tolkien's writing is important. But I think that they are not in that category of fans. To them, Tolkien's legendarium is nothing but a 'franchise' (a word I hate in this context-it sounds like a hamburger chain), a collection of text that is to be mined in order to tell their own story, because they fancy themselves as skilled writers with Something Important to say to 'modern audiences'. It isn't that they hate Tolkien, or the fans; it's that they just don't care, and so cannot imagine the way in which Tolkien's work matters to the fans.
The sad irony is that Tolkien's writings were themselves a revolt against the modernism that Tolkien and Lewis and their friends saw in literature. Nobody was writing the sort of stories they liked, so they wrote the stories themselves. Tolkien was not dismayed by critics like Edmund Wilson ('Oo, Those Awful Orcs') and their strong dislike of his books, because he did not himself care for the sort of books they liked. And Tolkien would (I think) have disliked Rings of Power even if it had been written without reference to his own creation. This 'fantasy' does not provide escape from our world, because the heroes and villains have been reduced to banal ordinariness. It is just a modern story in fancy dress.
No. The truth is that at this stage of the l stupidity game is no longer something you can consider.
The writers, directer, and actors all know what the source material is because the fans have flamed this show for almost 2 years with an abundance of source material refutations to everything these malicious creepy amazon creators have put into production.
The only answer is malicious intent by amazon. Especially when writers, actors and producers are directly challenged during interviews about the controversies concerning their hated amazon series. They know the fans are pissed off.
They are now on purpose pissing off the fans. This is now a pissing match by Amazon against the fans. This is only about WOKE idealogy, not about making money.
These woke communists have already done this to numerous franchises, so it is plain that all of this a declared war against all franchises and the real fans.
The question is do we let them get away with this or do we make them pay by denying them our money.
The shipping is more a reflection of the writers' lack of talent and own emotional immaturity than of anything else. They have no idea what a stable relationship looks like so they write this childish CW series level will they/won't they garbage.
I think that’s common today. Gen Z is forming fewer relationships. Fill the writing room with people like that and…
The Galadriel/Elrond kiss pissed me off SO MUCH. One of my friends who’s not a Tolkien fan at all thought it was funny how mad the fans were about it saying it was just a distraction.
The separation between Tolkien fans and casual fantasy tv watchers not lost on me at all 🤣 the audience shipping everyone makes me sick
I hate Rings of Power
By the way have you noticed how Rings of Power shies away from every canon couple? Galadriel and Celeborn are not a thing. Elrond meeting Celebrian isn’t happening. Hell, the only character who has a wife in the show is Durin IV.
Everybody is single in Middle-Earth. It’s really weird. It’s not a coincidence that Amazon chooses to do this
Next to be shipped? Not-Gandalf and Tommy B - while the jealous Evil Wizard looks on... approved by Simon Tolkien.
I quit watching ROP after episode three of season one. Kinda flabbergasted there are still people left watching this outcrop of shameless infantility. The one good thing about this show is that it is reminding people how good Tolkien's writing actually is.
Simon Tolkien is a troubled man.
a tad jealous of the Professor’s works 🤔
Hes an asshole
Doubt he knew about or had any control over the decision to have Elrond kiss Galadriel.
@@t.k.1319Wrong. He wanted all of this.
Can we still consider it intellectual properties if Amazon is involved?
I left after the first episode. It took a few scenes but I knew then.
I honestly expected Galadriel's first onscreen kiss to be a lesbian one.
Remember how they made a big deal about the theme song for the troll before the season started? Based on that, at the very least you would have thought that character would have been treated well. But nope.
4:32 That orc is all of us. He did not want to be there.
When you wikipedia "Clusterfuck", Rings of Power appears.
Didn't he blame of Mirdania's death depend on where you were standing? If you were standing in front of Celebrimbor, It wouldn't work. It's only because you're behind a camera obscuring what was going on that you're blaming Celebrimbor.
'Rings of Cringe' = 1st Middle-earth telenovela
Guyladriel has a tempest in her soul: the young, good looking Elv is torn between her loyal friend Elrond and the mischievous playboy Sauron. Power or passion? What will she choose? ❤
and she is actually married to Celeborn, who is most likely disfigured Adar... 'Tempest in Her Soul' is actually a great name for telenovela 😀
she does not want to "settle"
It's like they have the perspective of "we bought this franchise so we can do what we want with it." Makes ya wonder why they paid all the money for the story if they weren't gonna use it.
Simon Tolkien is only concerned about the payday. Once Christopher passed away in 2020 the estate has been managed by Simon.
The men are also treated as stupid. Every one is treated as stupid.
Mirdania was literally the only Elf in the show that seems like she could have fit in in LOTR. So of course, she's killed off.
thank you for your video/review always remember you are not suffering alone i watch so i can keep up with your entertaining videos
Well, they've ticked off another Mary Sue box. Galadriel is perfect in every way, she's always right (even when she's wrong, she's still right), she's more powerful than anyone else, all women want to be her, and all men want to be with her. And there's no need for her to have character growth or an arc because she's already perfect.
in reality, she is for the streets. that is the only Galadriel they were capable of writing and they did.
I watched the first season, I abandoned the second season after episide two.
I don't even why I'm around anymore. Adar, basically lol He's not even a canon character. I call him ASMR. I want him to build a cottage somewhere and just read lore to us. Maybe with a warg by the fireplace. Everyone else can burn in Mount Doom for all I care lol
Yeah that was not a friendly family like peck lmao, that was a deep passionate semi open mouth kiss. If I were to see one of my friends kiss his sister, cousin, or mother like that I would have some VERY strong concerns for what goes on there behind closed doors.
You're laughing. Elrond and Galadriel have romantic tension and you're laughing.
Seeing that scene made me sick to my stomach. I hope those ROP hacks know nothing but disdain for the rest of their professional careers. You make me sick.
Im still watching it, not as a paying Amazon Customer of course😜some of the scenery like Ost-in-Edhil (Eregion Capital) and inside Khazad-Dum are fine and that is the main reason im watching it, to see how they display Places we only know from the Books. The musical Arrangements are decent aswell.
I couldn't even get through 15 mins of ep 1 of s2
Bezos wanted game of thrones but what he got was the last season and incest
RIP platonic relationships.
They didn't recast Bronwyn because she wasn't important enough to keep around, but Adar needed to be kept at least for the end of this season (the only way he survives this season is if the theory of him being a corrupted Celeborn turns out to be true).
The "Southlands" plotline this season is completely and utterly irrelevant anyway and only exists to show that Isildur is still alive.
this series is giving me a headache,l read The Hobbit and LOTR(l tired to read The Silmarillion but gave up)it’s an abomination of the source material 😓
Take an audiobook for the silmarillon, after watching a couple of TH-cam lore videos
@@misterfevillord1588 thanks,I got the general premise of The Silmarillion but it's still a tough read,there's always the Lost Tales... ; )
@@skepticalsmurfI like to read it in a similar way as reading the old Testament of the Bible, like tales of the past.
They surely disdain and despise the fans but I really don't think they doing it on purpose, they are just trying to make a good, endearing and entertaining story for TV, but they just failing at it because they are terrible writers. They are shipping every character together because they don't know how to do anything else, that's their only tool available to try to desperately make these characters as least a bit endearing for the audience, and even that it's not working, that's how terrible they are, they can't even pull out some CW level of romance.
Do you think the Tolkien Estate were secretly laughing as they green lit this project knowing that it would disenfranchise Tolkien fans from the series?
They clearly based Adar on Ëol (the isolated dark elf parent of Thingol and black smith of two black meteorite blade swords). Only Ëol could saw Melian because Ëol dealt with his parents in Doriath where she resided. And Adar got a black blade / dark looking sword. And is armor got a river carved on is chest ….. like the river Esgaldui crossing the great forest of Doriath
And ! 😂 Ëol is a dark haired elf … like Adar.
Ëol died by being thrown over the walls of Gondoline...a judgment rendered after killing his wife while trying to kill his son……. technically 😂
Eol is not the parent of Thingol, Thingol is one of the very first elves who woke or perhaps the son of the very first elves that woke up in Middle-earth which were parentless. Eol simply lived in Thingol's forest Doriath and paid tribute (without wanting to) to Thingol. Not sure what you meant by "Only Ëol could saw Melian because Ëol dealt with his parents in Doriath where she resided" but Melian was visible to everyone in Doriath, elves and men.
Eol's parentage is not known but it said to be a kinsman to Thingol in some way. Adar is not Eol but is probably (idiotically) Celeborn in this awful show...
@@takuid you’re right ! I meant a « kin » .. not a parent of Thingol 🙂↕️ my french brain tried to translate 🫠
@@takuid I was thinking about in the « dark elf kind of » category …who fit more with Adar who still live at the timeline of RoP.
Or the other one I could think of is Maglor. I dont think we know how\if he died?
@@PLMTL87 I think dark elves like Eol and his son Maeglin (maglor was a son of Feanor) were very rare and basically their preference for darkness instead of light was reflected in their moral choices in the stories. Eol and his son were both cunning, and had increased skills in delving of metals (similar to dwarves, Eol was very friendly with dwarves for example and Maeglin was the best delver of ore in Goldolin) compared to other elves. And they both did evil deeds at some point in their lives (both of them died in Goldolin I believe). Maeglin definitely died when Gondolin fell in the first age. Eol died earlier.
I do not believe we come across other dark elves being mentioned in the second age for example. They were exceedingly rare, like a rare mutation (their affinity to darkness instead of light) in the elven population. I do not think they worshipped Melko though, although Maeglin was eventually captured by him and compelled to betray Gondolin.
Adar, does not really have those traits as far as I can tell. Dark elves are not really elves corrupted by Melko and tuned into orcs. Adar is like what ROP writers think how elves became orcs (this is a topic that leads to many inconsistencies in Tolkien's writings, which he was aware of). In my personal opinion Tolkien had some better ideas about how orcs came to be that he did not focus on too much and could not resolve in the direction he chose with "corrupted elves and men" idea. He did not finalize the origin of the orcs definitively.
I am pretty sure it will be Celeborn in disguise or him partially corrupted by Melko somehow working against Sauron for his own purposes (empathy with orcs?). It is just a whole mess. It makes no sense and it certainly is not what happens in the real story as you know.
So glad I've never watched this show, hats off to the people who stuck to it for review reasons. To everyone that watched it, why would you do that to yourselves?
So it is not a ruse to hand over the pin?
the swelling music and literally 3 seconds of kissing says otherwise but this is ROP. All bets are off
Except he handed off the pin after the kiss. Also, the whole framing with the music and closeups.
The Walter white thing is so stupid
Compare it to Gillian’s island. Not Breaking Bad.
One of the many things which I do not get is (caveat: I have only read LOTR so I am not strong in the ways of lore): in ROP, these rings are being made with such speficity of number yet the show has shown only four wearers, only one of whom seems chosen (King Durin). Who are the candidates for Men? ROP has not shown us 9 candidates. Theo? Farazon? I dunno this show has lost me with its obtuse, covert complexity combined with its shallow, gaudy stories.
No, the Tolkien estate does not green light the scripts. That’s not how adaptations after acquiring IP rights work, and the showrunners would never have agreed to something like that. GRRM doesn’t have green light power over an ASOIAF show.
Amazon acquired the rights. As part of that deal they gave Simon Tolkien a credit on the show, just like GRRM has an EP credit on GoT & HOTD. HE DOESNT ACTUALLY HAVE THE POWER TO STOP WHAT THE SHOWRUNNERS WANT TO WRITE, otherwise Simon Tolkien would be the showrunner.
Once they sold the rights, Amazon’s showrunners can write whatever they want. Whatever tiny bit of involvement Simon has is just for marketing and to keep Tolkien’s estate from posting negative things about the show.
Name one person that has sold the TV rights to something and also maintained greenlight rights over every script, without being the showrunner…
You're totally wrong. Amazon only has rights to the LOTR trilogy and appendices and case by case approvals for other events/names. They don't have the rights to all of Tolkien's work and the estate works with the show to ensure they remain within the limitations of the rights they've purchased. They can't just include anything Tolkien wrote.
You really should do a quick google before you yell at people about how something is being done, cos you clearly don't know anything about how this particular show is being made.
What is meant by shipping?
ridiculous love relationships between unlikely characters and intense obsession with such ideas.
@@takuid Thanks. Its a new one on me. I can only think of yachts, oil tankers and container ships when I read that!
They hate Tolkien too. Lets be real. Tolkien and the nerds that enjoyed his work were the people that bullied them growing up. Or something uncreative like that :P
I forced myself to finish the first season just to see how bad it was going to be. That was all I needed to see of that show. It's just bad all around in every facet of its being. I haven't watched a bit of season 2, and I have not heard anything that would make me change my mind. The ignoring of the lore to this degree is wild. Why would you think angering the fan base is in any way a positive for your show. People without a shred of the talent Tolkien displayed are delusional in their belief that they can do better than the master. Terrible writing and awful lines written by fools attempting to copy Tolkien's writing style.
I just came across a bedtime fantasy shipping asmr for rop
The kiss was pure blasphemy.
These modern creatives are mentally ill.
Narnia is next. They gave a Christian inspired story to a radical feminist writer/director.
Get ready for female queer Aslan.
Clearly romantic
I got a bad feelin alot of resurrection is about to happen. The troll, don lemonlas, probably a few more. If not well then they based the troll on the way the Actor playing Mike looked. And that is just pure hatered towards the way a person looks. Equalityyy everyone, where you get your inclusion but in the worst descriptive way possible without any substance and solely based on their looks. Just F off.
I'd love to read something you wrote sober, cos it seems like you have something to say, but I don't understand most of it.😂
@@ThatSockmonkey troll big. Troll important. Troll dont do much. Troll not like mike from uga buga breaking bad. Troll just looks like mike now that troll dead. Same with black elf uga buga. If they dont live again they there for numbers only. Uga buga. My caveman is a little rough, hope it helped.
@@allcohoIic no, that didn't help. I speak English? Could you try just plain English? I don't understand what your complaint is, and I'm trying to understand. But if you prefer to be a butthole about it, that's fine too.
I don't think anyone who was a LotR fan hoped RoP to be a failure, but that doesn't mean that being slavishly optimistic is to anyone's benefit either. LotR isn't great because it's set in Middle Earth. It's great because it's a well crafted story. RoP is just a badly crafted story, regardless of its setting. There's no reason why anyone should be rooting for something to succeed just because a gigantic corporation spent hundreds of millions of dollars to buy the rights to make a series that is constructed in the same setting, especially since the construction is so shoddy on so many different levels. I can understand the appeal of being a contrarian to a stance on a side of a perceived culture war, but you're missing the mark if you think Amazon deserves any credit or support for this project. I think misplaced optimism isn't any better than misplaced pessimism in this case.
You make the statement: "I mean we all win if something is good"
but if we are to take that thesis as having merit, we also have to accept the inverse can also be the case, that 'we all lose if something is bad'. And with RoP... we all lost.
I'm a big Tolkien fan since the 70s. I'm still watching. My take is that it gives me something to be pissed at other than politics.
I like your take.
Payne and Mckay are worse than the worst used car salesman. 😂 the story is so 💩 crappy and cringe worthy.
If you're making money every time y'all say "shipping", can you let me know how to sign up?
Keep making up these excuses as the Tolkien Estate looks at every RoP script before confirming them be ok with what content is allowed in them and corrections if you're not happy then why aren't you calling them out then send them letters. All you have to say is you prefer the PJ films despite him heavily changing the lore as well as creating scenes that didn't happen like Islidur and Elrond in mount doom with the ring, Gandalf vs Saruman at Orthanc, No Elves at Helms Deep and so on then changed the motives of many characters too the list goes on but no criticism by some channels so called Tolkien fans because they were great films. I am glad RoP isn't like PJ films as it should be different.
Things work differently in the Elven world.
Emotions are heightened, feelings of strong affection and kinship expressed.
Elrond whispers emotionally "Forgive me" to Galadriel because he will not yield Galadriel's Nenya's ring to Adar in return for Galadriel's life. And Galadriel wouldn't have it any other way. Galadriel whispers fiercely back to Elrond, "WIn!".
Galadriel does not want Elrond to surrender her Nenya's ring to Adar. Galadriel made Elrond promise to pursue Sauron at all costs, even if it meant putting that above or costing Galadriel her life.
Elrond is absolutely heartbroken and distraught that he cannot put Galadriel's life above giving power to the enemy, Adar and his Orcs.
Elrond knows his answer to Adar, refusing to give up the ring, is essentially a death sentence for Galadriel. So Elrond expresses his deep affection for Galadriel by giving her a tender kiss, essentially expressing his deep love and affection for Galadriel.
That it's absolutely KILLING him that he can't save her life even thought that possibility has been offered to him by Adar. His kiss to Galadriel is his message to Galadriel is that he does not love Galadriel any the less, by refusing to save his dearest friend's life.
In the 1st episode, in Season 1, Elrond said that Galadriel was conflicted and here is Elrond suffering a deep conflict - saving Galadriel's life verses trying to save Eregion and her Elven inhabitants.