@@sunshinedream98 Tech is rapidly changing and redundancy is king. I've been off grid for 6 years. In that 6 years much has changed with the equipment. 6 years ago we didn’t have all-in-one inverters with high voltage MMPT's , PV isolators and breakers all built in. We didn't have server rack batteries with communications, high wattage bi-facial panels....etc. The cost for these newer system components is now dramatically reduced compared with the former inverter, charge controller, combiner box, DC and AC breakers, larger wire/cables, larger array racking...and more complex/expensive communication devices....etc. New equipment introductions have very frequent lately....when I bought the two 6000XPs the hybrid 18K was available but not the 8K. Reason #2: I'm a preparedness guy living in a remote mountain situation. Being prepared to me means redundancy and spare equipment. I have spare inverters, controllers, batteries, panels, wire/cable, switches, panels and numerous generators. If one array got wiped out by storm, falling trees, or CME/EMP..I have more than one array location. I'm strictly off grid and the more expensive more hybrid-like inverters don't interest me. I'd rather have two off grid only type inverters on the wall. I'm a firm believer in "if you have one, you have none...and if you have two you have one". Also, from 6 years of experience, I don't really operate more than a 6KW inverter for my needs....and dependent on inverter self consumption, I may only use one 6000xp for inverting and the other mostly for the MPPT capabilities to my battery banks. I also have a EG4 5.5KW charge controller to additionally pump up my batteries in the cloudy snowy mountain winters.
Busy? I don't know what you're talking about! 🤣🤣🤣 Nice to see that it can surge like that for at least a minute. Variable loads in the home shouldn't be an issue.
These seem like great units but I would sure like to see them release 12/18kvp charge controllers as a stand alone that can communicate with the inverters. The 12kpv has all the AC power I need, but nowhere near enough MPPT capacity. Up where I live I need 4x the solar to make ends meet in the winter time.
@@rodneyhunt If you are ever talking to them put a bug in their ear will you? The 18kpv is overkill for just about anyones AC needs. But We don't all live in Texas. Winter time I get 5 hours of usable sunlight.
@rodneyhunt awesome testing! Great content as always! More please!, BTW are you getting the new EG4 Flex Boss 21k inverter coming out in November from what I heard, one truly sick inverter and its like the Anker X1 setup is has another boss panel that aggregate all of the sources in one box to work its crazy magic!
@@rodneyhunt well i hope they send you the full setup, two of the Flex Boss 21 would equal like 4 6000XP so that would be an awesome replacement for your 6000xp and the flex boss has all the same features as the 18Kpv plus more! I got some pics of it from the recent event.
The 12k has many more features. The electronics are fully enclosed with a longer warranty and life expectancy. The calpha I am still unable to get the wifi dongle to work so that has been a problem. For the price if wifi is not needed calpha has worked well. But I can’t monitor it when away from it so that doesn’t work for me. The 12k is much more expensive but is awesome!
Talked to a builder yesterday who told me they installed a whole house, propane back up generator for a client and the total cost was over $13,000. I told them that they could have installed an $18,000 solar system with batteries, netted a 30% rebate via tax credit and could have powered their house full time without ever having to pay for propane to run the generator or any electric bills in the future. All for the same money. 🤦♂️. A whole house back up generator will never pay for itself over time. ⚡️☀️🤩👍🔋
Ha! My mother law runs heating and cooling on propane and I offered to do the bigger solar eg4 mini split for them but her husband is stubborn and so they keep paying to fill that big tank. Not a good financial decision for them
QUESTION; the AC Grid, let say i were to connect a grid power to this inverter just as a backup in the event that my solar not producing any power; will this AC grid charge the battery and power the loads at the same time?
The 18kpv will handle 12k continuous load. The 12kpv will handle a 8k continuous load but does have a very good surge capacity for a short time. Depends on your needs because the 6000xp may be the best bang for your buck if using off grid or at least without selling back to the grid. They all have great features depending on which you need.
Great video. What is the size of your load? I have about 50kwk during the day, do you thing your system will help me to pass the day without batteries? Thanks
You will need some batteries for surges and night time use in my opinion. If you need to be completely off grid a minimum of 10kw array but I would always recommend more solar than you think you need. Cloudy days etc. My single array cant get that but when I get my other panels connected it may be close.
Ok so i been asking around and nobody bothers to answer. Hopefully you will. From what I am seeing in this unit you are only required to wire L1 and L2 into the load breaker coming from the battery and you dont have to wire in any grid power or generator unless you want to. Am i correct on that and does the same thing apply to the 6000xp for those of us who are unable to afford the 12k.
Yes L1, L2, neutral, and ground from Inverter goes to load center panel. The battery postive and negative go to inverter. Your manual for the 6000xp will explain that when you get it. I use 3 6000xp’s on my house with no grid or gen input. 👍
@@rodneyhunt thank you. I finally got the answer I was looking for. I had a pretty good understanding about the battery hookup but nobody ever bothered to show anything else. I just wish when people say they are going to install these inverters they don't skip details people might want to know about. Since you have had time with the 6000xp I may reach out with a question once I have mine if you don't mind.
2 battery cables , one comm plug , turn on battery push button , turn on battery breaker , turn on 6000XP battery breaker , flip switch on right side of 6000XP , flip switch on left side of 6000XP and you will be up n running. The output breaker is set up for 240v , (duel pole breaker) but each side can do 120v individually. I used (2 - 120v extension cords) one on each leg of inverter , to run power equipment to build our cabin. Now its hooked to a breaker box@@davidbailey3289
You can buy anything to enter as long as you use my links or discount code. So once you use a link you can move to anything on the site to make a purchase. 👍
@@rodneyhunt Yeah, I just need one more battery for my server rack. I'm gonna try and convince the wife to let me buy a pallet of panels. Wish me luck bro! haha :D
The 12kpv is just the solar input of this inverter. The output is only 8k. So just the way these are named which can confuse people for sure. Hope that helps
I am in need of some help to size my upcoming whole house off grid system. My highest electric bill I used 6875 KWh for the month. That with everything in the house running A/C all day. I want to have batteries on the system as well. I want to come super close to a 100 off grid as possible. I have full sun with zero shade and south facing. In Georgia
I can help you with this. Are you sure you used 6.875 mwh? That’s a lot. Typical home usage for a medium sized 4 person home is about 1 mwh per month. At 6.875 mwh you would need about a 40k watt array. I would do about 100kwh of storage. And depending on how many amps you’re trying to draw 2 x 18kpv inverters should do the trick. I believe you can over panel them to 21kpv according to signature solar.
Wow that is a lot of power usage. If you can get more efficient appliances as that may be cheaper to start your system with. But if not that is about 230kwh a day you need. So that is a 46kw solar array. You can size up for cloudy day. Then probably in the 120-160kw range first battery storage. Probably 3 eg4 18kpv inverters depending on your max power usage at one time. So would be pretty significant cost wise but like I said maybe half of that system if you get improved appliances, hvac, water heater, etc might help lower your total system needs.
@@Dturn77 Thank you for helping me. But new plan I am going to upgrade my appliances and both ac/heating units. And give it 2 months of running the house to see how many kWh’s I get and resize my solar project once more after.
@@rodneyhunt Thank you for helping me. But new plan I am going to upgrade my appliances and both ac/heating units. And give it 2 months of running the house to see how many kWh’s I get and resize my solar project once more after.
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Picking up a pallet of panels from Signature Solar this weekend. Used your code hopefully win that battery!
Nice! Very good chance
good run through and demo.....thanks.....I'm off grid only and put in Two 6000 XPs
Definitely like my 6000xp’s as well
Hi I’m new to this and just wondered why do some install 2 6k inverters rather than 1 12 K inverter? Thanks.
@@sunshinedream98 Tech is rapidly changing and redundancy is king.
I've been off grid for 6 years. In that 6 years much has changed with the equipment. 6 years ago we didn’t have all-in-one inverters with high voltage MMPT's , PV isolators and breakers all built in. We didn't have server rack batteries with communications, high wattage bi-facial panels....etc. The cost for these newer system components is now dramatically reduced compared with the former inverter, charge controller, combiner box, DC and AC breakers, larger wire/cables, larger array racking...and more complex/expensive communication devices....etc. New equipment introductions have very frequent lately....when I bought the two 6000XPs the hybrid 18K was available but not the 8K.
Reason #2: I'm a preparedness guy living in a remote mountain situation. Being prepared to me means redundancy and spare equipment. I have spare inverters, controllers, batteries, panels, wire/cable, switches, panels and numerous generators. If one array got wiped out by storm, falling trees, or CME/EMP..I have more than one array location. I'm strictly off grid and the more expensive more hybrid-like inverters don't interest me. I'd rather have two off grid only type inverters on the wall. I'm a firm believer in "if you have one, you have none...and if you have two you have one". Also, from 6 years of experience, I don't really operate more than a 6KW inverter for my needs....and dependent on inverter self consumption, I may only use one 6000xp for inverting and the other mostly for the MPPT capabilities to my battery banks. I also have a EG4 5.5KW charge controller to additionally pump up my batteries in the cloudy snowy mountain winters.
Busy? I don't know what you're talking about! 🤣🤣🤣
Nice to see that it can surge like that for at least a minute. Variable loads in the home shouldn't be an issue.
True. I need to do some real actual surge test and not just overloading. More to come
These seem like great units but I would sure like to see them release 12/18kvp charge controllers as a stand alone that can communicate with the inverters. The 12kpv has all the AC power I need, but nowhere near enough MPPT capacity. Up where I live I need 4x the solar to make ends meet in the winter time.
Would be another good idea for sure
@@rodneyhunt If you are ever talking to them put a bug in their ear will you? The 18kpv is overkill for just about anyones AC needs. But We don't all live in Texas. Winter time I get 5 hours of usable sunlight.
Great information on this beast of a unit! Thank you, Rodney!
You bet! Thanks for the help as well
@rodneyhunt awesome testing! Great content as always! More please!, BTW are you getting the new EG4 Flex Boss 21k inverter coming out in November from what I heard, one truly sick inverter and its like the Anker X1 setup is has another boss panel that aggregate all of the sources in one box to work its crazy magic!
I wish but probably not. At least have not heard anything. Thanks
@@rodneyhunt well i hope they send you the full setup, two of the Flex Boss 21 would equal like 4 6000XP so that would be an awesome replacement for your 6000xp and the flex boss has all the same features as the 18Kpv plus more! I got some pics of it from the recent event.
Appreciate your efforts and information!
I appreciate that! Thanks
Nice video Rodney
Thanks!
Great info thanks for sharing. That one looks like what I will need. Can't wait...... Jeff
You bet. Always appreciate you taking the time Jeff!
Great Video, So you also have the Calpha 10K inverter, what is the better of 2 ?
The 12k has many more features. The electronics are fully enclosed with a longer warranty and life expectancy. The calpha I am still unable to get the wifi dongle to work so that has been a problem. For the price if wifi is not needed calpha has worked well. But I can’t monitor it when away from it so that doesn’t work for me. The 12k is much more expensive but is awesome!
Talked to a builder yesterday who told me they installed a whole house, propane back up generator for a client and the total cost was over $13,000. I told them that they could have installed an $18,000 solar system with batteries, netted a 30% rebate via tax credit and could have powered their house full time without ever having to pay for propane to run the generator or any electric bills in the future. All for the same money. 🤦♂️. A whole house back up generator will never pay for itself over time. ⚡️☀️🤩👍🔋
Indeed! Propane backups are a bad idea unless you have plenty of money and do it on addition to solar. 👍
Ha! My mother law runs heating and cooling on propane and I offered to do the bigger solar eg4 mini split for them but her husband is stubborn and so they keep paying to fill that big tank. Not a good financial decision for them
QUESTION; the AC Grid, let say i were to connect a grid power to this inverter just as a backup in the event that my solar not producing any power; will this AC grid charge the battery and power the loads at the same time?
Yes it can. Just depends on your settings.
So between the 18K and the 12K what unit gives the most bang for the buck? Doesn’t the 12K handle a higher load?
The 18kpv will handle 12k continuous load. The 12kpv will handle a 8k continuous load but does have a very good surge capacity for a short time. Depends on your needs because the 6000xp may be the best bang for your buck if using off grid or at least without selling back to the grid. They all have great features depending on which you need.
Great video. What is the size of your load? I have about 50kwk during the day, do you thing your system will help me to pass the day without batteries? Thanks
You will need some batteries for surges and night time use in my opinion. If you need to be completely off grid a minimum of 10kw array but I would always recommend more solar than you think you need. Cloudy days etc. My single array cant get that but when I get my other panels connected it may be close.
@@rodneyhunt thanks for the response!!!
Ok so i been asking around and nobody bothers to answer. Hopefully you will. From what I am seeing in this unit you are only required to wire L1 and L2 into the load breaker coming from the battery and you dont have to wire in any grid power or generator unless you want to. Am i correct on that and does the same thing apply to the 6000xp for those of us who are unable to afford the 12k.
Yes L1, L2, neutral, and ground from Inverter goes to load center panel. The battery postive and negative go to inverter. Your manual for the 6000xp will explain that when you get it. I use 3 6000xp’s on my house with no grid or gen input. 👍
@@rodneyhunt thank you. I finally got the answer I was looking for. I had a pretty good understanding about the battery hookup but nobody ever bothered to show anything else. I just wish when people say they are going to install these inverters they don't skip details people might want to know about. Since you have had time with the 6000xp I may reach out with a question once I have mine if you don't mind.
2 battery cables , one comm plug , turn on battery push button , turn on battery breaker , turn on 6000XP battery breaker , flip switch on right side of 6000XP , flip switch on left side of 6000XP and you will be up n running.
The output breaker is set up for 240v , (duel pole breaker) but each side can do 120v individually.
I used (2 - 120v extension cords) one on each leg of inverter , to run power equipment to build our cabin.
Now its hooked to a breaker box@@davidbailey3289
do you know if you can put them in a storm shelter ?
The inverter and battery? I do not see why not. Just make sure if using indoor batteries it is dry
Is this capable of Islanding(i.e. in an outage can it turn on the solar panels and charge the battery)in an outage?
Yes it can work off grid. You can just select the option to run without grid
Does it not do that automatically in an outage?
Damn, went to buy an old eg4 48v battery at signature solar to get in the contest. They are sold out... You bastards beat me to it :(
Clever girl...
You can buy anything to enter as long as you use my links or discount code. So once you use a link you can move to anything on the site to make a purchase. 👍
@@rodneyhunt Yeah, I just need one more battery for my server rack. I'm gonna try and convince the wife to let me buy a pallet of panels. Wish me luck bro! haha :D
Hey Rodney in your link can I get the battery box for the EG4 batteries? I have to get one and want to support the channel
A conduit box? Here is one signaturesolar.com/eg4-powerpro-conduit-box/?ref=rodneyhunt
@@rodneyhunt no the box for the LL rack batteries I believe it is a welded steel unit
I’m new to solar and dont quite understand why it’s overloading over 8000 watts when the inverte is 12k, 12k is 12000 watts yeah??
The 12kpv is just the solar input of this inverter. The output is only 8k. So just the way these are named which can confuse people for sure. Hope that helps
@@rodneyhunt Oh I see so you could have 12k of solar panels use 8k on powering the house and have 4k left over to charge batteries, is that it?
I am in need of some help to size my upcoming whole house off grid system. My highest electric bill I used 6875 KWh for the month. That with everything in the house running A/C all day. I want to have batteries on the system as well. I want to come super close to a 100 off grid as possible. I have full sun with zero shade and south facing. In Georgia
I can help you with this. Are you sure you used 6.875 mwh? That’s a lot. Typical home usage for a medium sized 4 person home is about 1 mwh per month. At 6.875 mwh you would need about a 40k watt array. I would do about 100kwh of storage. And depending on how many amps you’re trying to draw 2 x 18kpv inverters should do the trick. I believe you can over panel them to 21kpv according to signature solar.
And I would add more batteries as you can afford them. Hope this helps.
Wow that is a lot of power usage. If you can get more efficient appliances as that may be cheaper to start your system with. But if not that is about 230kwh a day you need. So that is a 46kw solar array. You can size up for cloudy day. Then probably in the 120-160kw range first battery storage. Probably 3 eg4 18kpv inverters depending on your max power usage at one time. So would be pretty significant cost wise but like I said maybe half of that system if you get improved appliances, hvac, water heater, etc might help lower your total system needs.
@@Dturn77 Thank you for helping me. But new plan I am going to upgrade my appliances and both ac/heating units. And give it 2 months of running the house to see how many kWh’s I get and resize my solar project once more after.
@@rodneyhunt Thank you for helping me. But new plan I am going to upgrade my appliances and both ac/heating units. And give it 2 months of running the house to see how many kWh’s I get and resize my solar project once more after.
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lol that was fast