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- Naruto VS Luffy VS Ichigo. Probably the most heavily debated anime characters in power scaling history. Who would win in a free for all. The battle of the big 3. Watch till the end to find out who wins.
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We all knew Ichigo was slamming.
Ofc
Goku still slams the big 3
@@gojosglasses2818 of course, we all know he solos
@@theonetrueedgelord3596Must be hard for you to see every power scaler on youtube having Ichigo winning 😢
@@theonetrueedgelord3596 ichigo beats both of them but tbh goku slams all 3 at once 😂
Nobody ever brings up Ichigo's "Hope hax" where his sheer hope alone is able to completely change timelines and Yhwach had to counter it by using his almighty to change the timeline back to where he was winning.
Because that's literally not part of ichigos hax. That's why nobody talks about. And it wouldn't be hope that would be fate manipulation.
@@simonthedigger3490 i still agree ichigos the strongest but couldn’t you argue the “fate manipulation” argument for naruto too tho? Considering he broke the cycle of hatred meaning he altered his fate/destiny which was to either kill or be killed by sasuke.
@@jaybronx98 Not really, the cycle of hatred was more so a societal issue in the naruto world rather than an actual curse or premonition that was destined to happen. Multiple characters just blatantly explain this with the primary examples being pain and madara.
@@simonthedigger3490 Yeah nah i'd argue it is since it's not like some shonen anime bs (unless you think ichigo's hope and the almighty just breaks the 4th wall entirely). Yhwach just goes ahead and says that ichigo's hope is changing the timelines and he has to actively use the almighty to fix them to where he wins. This means that Yhwach has to use his hax on something ichigo is doing which would be a... hax
@@indrainspace2601 for the whole shinobi world, I agree that it’s more of a societal issue but for ashura and indras reincarnations, it was an actual curse that had been going on for over a millennia. Hagoromo literally explains it saying that his sons reincarnations are destined to fight to the death. Naruto ended that curse by breaking the cycle of hatred between brothers. So if that’s the case, I’d argue it is fate manipulation, since he was destined to fight sasuke to the death and didn’t.
Ichigo : ban- oh wait they got crushed by my spiritual pressure
Ah yes,the perfect climax,
“Goku solos though.”
Fr
Fax 😂
"can he beat Goku tho"
Ichigo would clap Goku
@@Manusia.satu1 what kind of crack u smoking on rn
Me watching the whole knowing ichigo wins 😅
same
Of course he wins!❤
He literally fights in a different realm of existence they got nothing for that
@@39josh05 yup
@@39josh05 so did naruto but yeah ichigo solo's
Him: This will bring cancer to the comments.
Everyone in the comments agreeing that ichigo slams 🗿
Poor luffy but its clear he just doesn't match up in terms of raw power, great video.
luffy has ultra instinct with advanced observation haki and toon force with gear 5th
@@soundsfordreaming2526 he doesn't have ultra instinct
And he said raw strength stupid
@@soundsfordreaming2526 still ain’t a match here
@@ADN64 true
@@soundsfordreaming2526 Ultra instinct? Why, cause his hair is white now? 💀
Even if you don’t use Uni scaling for Bleach
1.) The Soul Society has been shown to have a starry night sky, making it bare minimum Multi Solar System level in size. Yhwach can destroy the SS, the living world which is parallel, and several other realms
2.) In a manga volume extra at the end, Kon says he’ll kick something to another Galaxy, which is Multi Galaxy scaling
3.) Gremmy’s Galaxy Room as mentioned in the vid. But here’s the thing. The CFYOW novels stated that Yhwach used to put Gremmy in his place whenever he used to try and go crazy and lash out. We know Yhwach first unlocked the Almighty after the original war in the Ichibei fight.
We also know that Yhwach didn’t just hax power null him, as while Gremmy was sealed, he was still able to use his Schrift. Just not escape Yhwach sealing him. Which make Base Yhwach and his reishi constructs scale above Gremmy. And Ichigo scales exponentially above Base Yhwach as he scales above even SK Yhwach that absorbed the SK, Mimihagi, every Shinigami and Quincy that died, including the likes of Jugram, Gerard, Askin, Pernida etc, as well as Ichigo’s own Hollow and Quincy powers.
Yet Bankai Ichigo without Horn of Salvation and just his Shinigami and arguably Fullbring power was able to one shot this version of Yhwach
W on you for typing all that.
About 1) soul society is parallel to earth so that's how big it is... of course outside of earth there are stars and stuff so it makes even more sense to be the same as earth, anyways haven't reach blood war yet so I'm taking your statement as is, destroying the soul society and earth would be planet+ if not multi planetary not multi solar bc those things are not part of earth and ss. If the statement is about the whole dimensions then that's a different deal but if the statement only refers to soul society and the world of the living then its planet+ or smt like that
2) that's just a low ball for kon, he clearly meant to say that he will erase someone from existance since he scales above dimensionality. Now back to 3) the scaling chain does sound concrete just that the feat of galaxy making just doesn't hold much and its mostly an outlier if anything, we go to an almost war potential yamamoto being planetary to galaxy lvl? And for greemy alone its also inconsistent considering he was making moon lvl feats alone and then 6 of him make galaxy lvl? Yea... it makes more sense its an outlier and that the verse is in the large star lvl rather than the huge gap of planet to galaxy. That's atleast my take on this
@@lore766 I'm not going to go in detail over everything you said. But I'm just going to talk about SS and World of the living stuff that you talked.
If you have finished Bleach (seems not), and even if you have finished only the anime, you should know that Soul Society is called both the "planet like place" that the Shinigamis live and the realm/dimension, they both go by the same name, and i can prove it easily.
The same goes for world of the living, both the planet and the realm/dimension are called world of the living. If they were talking just for the planet they would call it Earth, because the story takes place in our time, as there is NY, London, Japan etc etc.
This is aloso backed up by Kisuke and Rukia at the beginning of Bleach, as they both call world of the living and Soul Society Universe.
This is backed up by the last Novel as well. Tokinada who is one of the heads of 1 of the 5 noble clans, directly called Soul Society Universe, he said that he would make SS a better universe.
This is also backed up by the facet that both SS and World of the living are 2 parts of the old universe that SK split and create them as new ( creating life snd death)
They both have different laws and Space-time. Without including that one is a world/universe of psychical matter (living realm) while the other is a spiritual realm with spiritual matter. On top of that they are separated by Dangai who is called Hyperspace between the two.
I can go on an on in this topic and always confirm it.
Again, they are called by the same name, both the planet and the realm.
You trying to dabunk Grammys feat is kind of hilarious, since you said that you didn't read TYBW arc. This is kind of ironic, don't you think?
We can argue on this as well, and i can prove that what he said about Grammy is right. You wanting to deny his feats is another thing though.
@@codebreak1884 alright here are my problems w what you said. 1 the kisike thing I've seen translated into planet or world bc that's the kanji that was used in that sentence. 2 I didn't even know bleach had novels lmao, do they spoil anything about the series or can I just pick them up? 3 I don't see how ss and the world of the living being once the same makes them both the dimensions and the planets you got me kinda confused here lol. 4 again I don't see how this confirms that they are referring to both the planets and the dimensions. I only brought contention to the feat w my knowledge of the series how is that funny to you? I've gotten some info on gremmy thanks to power scaling but it still seems extremely inconsistent to jump from planet to galaxy lvl and thus would make this feat and outlier rather than not. Lastly about the dimensions and the planets having the same name, how are you going to give me scans and stuff over TH-cam comments?
Ichigos' scaling to a guy whose a reality warper, and infinitely above a reality warper. Also Yammo is way above planet level since his raw energy alone is as hot as the sun, and he's going to destroy the afterlife of the bleach universe simply by being in his suppressed bankai state.
No speed equalization = Ichigo speedblitz and one taps both of them then danced on their grave in only his base form
Bro chill 😂 We all know Ichigo wins, but that is immense downplay to the other 2. Naruto and Luffy are bare minimum both FTL and they both have hax like Observation haki and Naruto’s danger perception to keep up in speed
@@michaelmirza1933 true but first bankai Ichigo was already ftl and then he stacks a bunch of stuff over that so maybe shikai Ichigo then but I was thinking current
@@somepvpguy69 Luffy and Naruto also got to FTL far before their current iterations, but for sure Ichigo stomps. Naruto won’t ever catch up and it doesn’t look likely that Luffy will by the end of One Piece
@@michaelmirza1933 yea I'm just being an Ichigo rider rn cuz I'm so hyped for bleach comeback but your right*
@@somepvpguy69 Bleach is hype man can’t blame you
The fact that pre timeskip ichigo scales above Luffy 💀
i mean the whole premise of one piece is to be a good anime with a good story and not stupid broken characters that one shot entire galaxies with one move. thats why op is in the big 3
@Almond Oil true One Piece prioritize story and doesn't fall for the power escalation problem
@@Insanearc bro is mad luffy looses lol
@@Insanearc You do know all 3 of these series have amazing stories stop trying to say that one is only worse cus the characters are stronger
@@gremmy4908 when did i ever say that? No literally when did i ever mention this in the comment please point it out (i never fucking did, i was justifying why op doesn't have stupid busted characters)
the fact that luffy and naruto could team up on ichigo and ichigo would still win is crazy
Luffy could have all the strawhats with him and naruto could have sasuke and ichigo still wouldn’t even need bankai
he can defeat them but he def needs bankai cause luffy got gear 5 which is alsoo fantasy to reality and sasuke got rinnegan luffy got baryon which was able to defeat a god but ichigo wins tbh but its gonna be hard thas all@@yukiamano2078
@@yukiamano2078 U are so biased it's actually not funny, they would slap base Ichigo to another dimension.
Ichigo is very overrated in terms of raw power. He probably would win, but barely.
@@12tranoke51 he beat yhwach and yhwach is universal while luffy and naruto are both star level
One Piece is my absolute all time favourite story and that's why I'll say this:
You can "stretch" the powers as much as you want but One Piece is not made for power comparisons.
It doesn't matter how insanely strong a power looks, One Piece is a contained world.
No one will destroy planets, no one will slash the solar system, this will NEVER happen!
It's a simple pirate world and nothing else!
Just enjoy the damn story!
one piece by far has the best speed scaling
I agree I don't get these power scaling thing if oda wants that he could done it any anime author can do make the character as powerful as it can be just the comment I wanted to see
enjoy the damn story
then u have these people who try to hype up his power
tell that to them aswell
I'm gonna be real I think 1piece isn't supposed to be strong I thnik your just suppose to enjoy the silly ass characters and good animation not trying to sound like a one piece fan boy or hater I just think one piece os supposed to be goofy and a fun anime
nah fr its not a big three bc it has the strongest characters thats why dbz isnt a big three (also bc of how they were released but yk) but arguably the best fiction to ever exist imo
4:15 thank you for stating that, I've only watched a few power scaling videos and it never sat right with me when people would say someone is planetary just because they beat someone that can destroy a planet
It applies to stuff like dbz where they do that with physical power, to do stuff like that you’d need to have a similar power level to your opponent (who could destroy planets)
In other shows I’m not sure
The “Toneri Strongest Enemy” is actually from a magazine, not the movie boxset.
And Naruto is in KCM1+Sage Mode/Bijuu Sage Mode. This isn’t KCM2, as we know from the war and databook 4 that Kurama and Naruto have to work in unison to make KCM2, which is also stated in Boruto. Whereas during the fight with Toneri, Kurama splits up with Naruto to fight off Toneri’s Golem. Meaning Naruto is just using KCM1 and regular Toad Sage Mode, which greatly amps his feats against Toneri.
Yeah cuz if he was just using six paths powers his feats would've been considerably lessened cuz it's six paths chakra
It kicks everyone's ass(jk)
and naruto was using 1/9 kcm naruto very strong
Ok, but now ramen guy vs kon vs farmer with shotgun
Now we’re asking the real questions
Lol
Ramen Guy's Ramengan might be a problem, but I think Buff Kon can beat Him. Base Ramen Guy vs Base Kon is a win for Ramen guy because Kon will probably see a hot girl and get annihilated. Don't know how to scale Shotgun Farmer tho
Ramen Guy since he knows advanced Omnipotent Ramen Arts.
@@yoruichi_feet_lover his shotgun can easily one shot either of the others, but that's if he can hit them, he does have super speed himself but is less skilled than Ramen Guy. Kon is just buff and fast.
I unironically want this fight, even if it is not debatable.
yea, we all know luffy isnt close to naruto or ichigo. But naruto would lose to ichigo mid diff
THANK YOU!! Bleach fanboys love to meat ride ichigo and say he no diffs him and is multiversal and could solo the verse. He is stronger but not that much stronger.
I'll be honest
Im a fan of both naruto and bleach. My best 2 animes but ichigo showed huge features in manga so I'd say ichigo low-mid diff naruto
But if we bring the strongest Naruto (boruto) character rn who is daemon
Daemon negative diff bleach verse.
@@mehdion u ar high on drugs 😂😂😂
Daemon hax is rip off of Ishidas
Anthethsies lol 😂😂
@@SupaSoldierLegend ichigo negetive diff
Naruto verse this dude low Balling ichigo lol 😂
@@yashmehta4087 you are the type of fans that I’m talking about. No logic just ignores the show’s statements and just rides the characters endlessly.
bro part 2 of tybw is gonna be crazy anyway nice vid man keep it up!
Imo
Adult ichigo is high uni or low -multi
Naruto is star
Luffy is continental
Luffy might be multi continental but this is really valid 👍
@@gamingmonkey14 at the end of op he might become planetary
Tru @@RAJ_1405
Honestly the speed would also likely go to Ichigo as well. The speed feats in Bleach are frankly just ridiculous. By the end of the SS Arc Ichigo could outspeed Byakuya, Uryu could move so fast his shadow couldn't keep up with him, and Rangiku and Shuhei were able to dodge the light speed Negacion. And in the Arrancar Arc, Grimmjow refers to Ichigo's speed in Bankai as average at best. Ulquiorra and Aizen were both able to touch Ichigo before he could even see them move. And in the TYBW Ichigo was able to land, move past 4 quincy, and say a full sentence to Kenpachi before the aftershocks of his movement blew the quincy back.
Now correct me if I'm wrong but Luffy and Naruto have barely if ever even shown even the SS levels of speed.
Wouldn’t your shadow not being able to keep up with you just me a couple times faster than light
@Kyuubey0406 most likely, but remember, this was SS Arc, and Uryu was never exactly considered a speedy character by Bleach standards. And the characters just kept getting faster and faster as the story progressed.
The speed of light has never been shown in Bleach. The physics of Bleach are the same as in our world, so this speed of light is impossible. Ichigo showed maximum supersonic speed
@@untitllet_77 yeah you know what's also not a part of physics? Souls. Which is what Bleach is all about.
@@alphawolf7417 Just because there are souls in the universe does not mean that there is no physics in Bleach. The author gave direct instructions, so now you are only making excuses. Naruto Universe sees souls, so even that won't help you win
The problem with one piece being compared to the other 2 is that the story simply doesn't need or do planet level characters constantly or even having many at all. It's story simply doesn't need them.
That goofy looney tooney show , idk how y’all watch that tbh, I tried but it throws me off
@@band0945 🤣🤣 true
@@band0945 it’s factually the better series among the big three in terms of narrative world building characters consistency writing etc… sure u might prefer naruto or Bleach but its pretty understandable why someone would prefer One Piece over Naruto or Bleach
@@band0945 Yet bleach is lower than both season one isn't even close to episode one of one piece the fact it still going on is because it is better bleach only became one of the big three because dbz started at a early time etc
@@blahblahblah6898 no one piece is simply overrated overall, it's not better than bleach and naruto
Pls do Garuo vs Yujiro Hamma next that would be amazing.(Immovable Object Meets Indestructible Force)
Hey dude I understand that the Tolkien legendarium isn't really your field but can you scale sauron(or talion)
I knew Ichigo had it out of these three but when I say Sailor Moon solos without even meaning to.
sailor moon solos alot of verses
@@TerrosimOnNiceLattes You wish.
@@TerrosimOnNiceLattes SHE CANT SOLO ME!??!
@@ANTI_ATHEIST she can beat ichigo and ichigo dogs yujiro
@@TerrosimOnNiceLattes GRRRRRRRRR *Reveals Demon Back*
W video from the man himself.
Nice vid I couldn’t notice you being biased to either side and pretty fair scaling without completely highballing one person. Luffy is fairly strong but he still has a lot more training to go but Prime Naruto is arguably stronger than him and current Ichigo is leagues ahead of him.
No even with highballing op planet size to the sun luffy is still weaker than naruto its not arguable
@@Tbnropti not even current manga base Luffy speed blitzes beyond perception and explodes his organs with dura neg without needing any of his gears
I would like to see you compare version of Superman to versions of goku. I think it would be cool and also start a war.
Will you ever do a beast gohan analysis or is there just to little prove to scale him
Beast Gohan's scaling relies on the assumption that Gamma 1 and 2 are close to SSB Goku and Vegeta's power as Piccolo loosely stated in the movie, if we go with that then Beast Gohan is at the very least comparable to MUI Goku and Ultra Ego Vegeta if not stronger if we go with Piccolo's scaling of beating Gamma 2 in one punch but then struggling against Cell Max until Beast Gohan just tanks his punch effortlessly.
@@piccoloatburgerking This. Gohan beast scaling can be put at beyond TOP goku, vegeta, and broly easily. Or beyond TUI and Ego vegeta easily.
If Gamma 1 and 2 are close to or Equal to Granolah Saga True Ultra Instinct Goku and Ultra Ego Vegeta then godamn Beast Gohan could probably beat Black Freeza.
The equalized scaling thing is basically like "lets ignore certain parts of the power system while making a video about looking over feats which are based on the power system they're based in.
It’s equalized speed. Y’all need to listen before you type some stupid shit like this^ 💀
"equalized speed" but also the fact living beings can't see soul reapers isn't a thing .did bro forget what he said in his own video in the first few minutes? Like this is why comparisons like this are fucking retarded lol . For it to make any sense you have to be like "Oop well uhh lets ignore just parts of the power system that I want to ignore" LOL @@ToasterXD
Because it’s pointless in a matchup. It’s called verse equalizing, without it, there would be no reason to believe any form of any power system could interact with another verse’s power system. It’s dumb asf and it’s basic shit.
As a fan of all three anime’s I ca definitely say, ichigo destorys both of them teaming up as well 😭
As someone who hates all three who gives a fuck watch the cartoon and stfu
Also another thing is they can't even see ichigo they are living humans
@@Ilovemeat-ur7ml Tell me how Quincys can see soul reapers and hollows then. They are living humans
@@livingrentfree9596because they originated from ywach who is the son of the soul king so they aren’t exactly human
@@ethanray7342 They are still considered humans who know how to manipulate reishi
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We all knew the whole time Luffy never really stood a chance since he’s not the smartest
Well both naruto and luffy are dumb. But they battle IQ is very high. On other hand, ichigo is both smart and has good battle IQ.
I wouldnt say naruto is dumb, ninjas literally train to be tactical you literally cant pass as an idiot the issue is that majority of the naruto verse is smart as hell so it made naruto look dumb to the veiwer eyes.
actually Ichigo is 5D. Aizen destroyed the Dangai Cleaner which was stated to rule over and transcend space time making Aizen 4D. Mugetsu Ichigo transcended aizen by 1 dimensionality so Ichigo is 5D.
LMFAOOO
That's a way of looking at it, but imo still a wank. That messes up the scaling of other Bleach characters.
You're using that dumb argument? Aizen was simply making a comparison pointing out that ichigo is so strong that aizen cannot sense him
@@JonasRosadowell to be fair, it isn’t pure wank. In the manga Aizen literally talks about plane of existence, which he transcended. Anyone that even knows a bit about Planes knows it’s mentioned when they’re talking about spatial dimensions. Aizen made the comparison with himself, literally using 2d and 3d as examples of his power. It’s actually blatantly stated he’s on a higher D.
The easy scaling is Ichigo>>Naruto>>>>>>>Luffy. ODA did not intend for for pirates to be blowing up dimensions and universes like Bleach and naruto verse, I dont think luffy will catch up to them even by the end of one peice in my opinion.
More like Ichigo>>>>>>>>Naruto>>>>>>>>>luffy
awesome video
I like that you are straightforward about it too, I am interested in this channel now, time to binge. Also have a like, out of the big 3 One Piece is my favorite and then Naruto, but Bleach is right there behind Naruto for me.
We all know ichigo is slamming.
People try to use those scans to prove that Momoshiki created a Parallel Universe/ DimensionThis is the raw kanjiAnd this is the real translation saying different world which would imply he only created the planet in there(translation is a little weird)Also the kanji implies even that Momoshiki was using a technique similar to kaguya since its saying "Kaguya also had the power to send people fly "くらやみ ナルトは暗闇の中にいた。
はがく 木ノ葉隠れの里からさほど離れたとも思えぬが、見覚えのない場所、というよりは異界
だった。
ゆが ひどく暗く、空が歪んでいる。この世の空間でないことは明白だった。 けつかい あくうかん
(カグヤも人を異界に飛ばす力を持っていた・・・・・・。結界、あるいは亜空間のようなもの
か?)
むす 半分くらいは息子のやっていたゲームの設定の受け売りだったが、さほど実体からずれ
ていないはずだった。
身動きが取れない。
こうそく 物理的に拘束されていた。柱に縛られているのだ、とすぐに理解できた。
「こやつだけ特別多いな・・・・・・時間がかかる」
モモシキ、と名乗った若い鬼が、ナルトの腹に手を当て、チャクラを吸いあげていく。 苦痛、というレベルではなかったが、ナルトは命乞いをして相手を喜ばせてやるつもり
Kurayami Naruto was in the dark.
Hagaku It did not seem that he was very far from the village of Kinohagakure, but it was an unfamiliar place, more like an otherworldly place.
It was a strange place.
It was a strange place, more like an alien world. It was obvious that it was not the space of this world. only the blood and blood circulation
(Kaguya also had the power to send people to other worlds ・・・・・・. A kind of ward or subspace.
?)
Musu: Half of the story was a takeoff from a game my son was playing, but it wasn't that far off from the real thing.
I was sure it was not too far off from the real thing.
I'm stuck.
high speed I was physically restrained. I understood immediately that I was tied to a pillar.
Only this one has a lot of special ・・・・・・ time."
The young demon, who called himself Momoshiki, put his hand on Naruto's stomach and sucked up his chakra. It wasn't on the level of pain, but Naruto was going to make his opponent happy by begging for his life.
im so happy that someone knows how to scale the right way
I don't get about how the size of the One piece world change the scaling of character feats? Does that mean the character are larger than usual because island scales to the characters not to the world sizes so it doesn't affect them.
This isn't relevant to the video at all but do you guys think the Chakra pills that momoshiki created and then ate during his fights looked tasty as heck?
YES!
I mean I think they would probably have some crazy flavor
well i kinda thought it looked like chocolate
Bro I wanted some of the fruits he was eating because they looked tasty
Mans asking the real questions
What if the real strongest anime character were the "can he beat goku" we asked along the way
Toaster: the start of an legacy.
the vivre card statement about it being just a title was a fan edit
in the ace novel it was legit stated that whitebeard had a ability to destroy the world
and during the marineford war arc when the vice admirals told tsuru to run away she said that "even if i run to the corners of the world, it'll still not save me from the world's strongest man"
I want to see sun wukong vs everyone
I hate when people can't tell the difference between Attack potency and Destructive capacity. DC = AP but AP =/= DC if someone's DC is planetary, they have physically destroyed a planet. Then, if the attack someone and they survive that planetary attack just barely, they have planetary durability. Now, if someone who cannot physically destroy a planet is able to do the same damage to that guy with planetary durability, his AP is planetary, but his DC might only be city level or something.
to be honest all this time i didnt even know DC was a separate thing bruh, ty
This is nice to know since I don’t even care about powerscaling so I know nothing about it and I only watch it to see dumb people arguing in comments
Can you do gold d. Roger vs Hashirama Senju?
3:23 lol the "flicker flicker" was so misleading i first saw it and now, it can't be unseen🤣
Ichigo > Naruto > luffy
Before I even clicked on the video I knew ichigo was the strongest. Luffy and Naruto are at least some what relative to each other (as much as one piece and naruto fans will argue about it.(I am a one piece fan myself.)) Ichigo is on another level.
Nice to see bring up the Gremmy galaxy room stuff for some reason people just ignore it lol
They don’t ignore they just Downplay it.
Bleach Downnplayers would say that he created a Portal and not Outer Space itself
@@Chillchildren999 oh ok
You should do Boruto Vs Deku. Need this debate ended. Good video though 💯
honestly we all knew ichigo would win but to see this animated would be insane though to be honest naruto vs luffy is a lot closer then luffy or naruto going against ichigo
4:14 EXACTLY like that’s literally a different tier of power. DC (destructive capability) they’re totally different things. Attack Potency is mostly for the scaling part of the character or their ATTACK POTENCY. Don’t see how people get DC and AP mixed up that’s just plain stupidity.
Cause AP can sometimes be correlated to DC
Usually if you able to keep up with a character, it means your on par and also able to produce similar destructive feats
@@nbell0089 Nah that’s for ap. Dc is how much you can destroy. That’s like saying if Goku (ssj god fp) was able to keep up with Beerus then he would have his dc which sometimes is false. That doesn’t follow Newton’s third law at all lmao.
Facts. People get ap and dc mixed up too often and its so annoying. Sure they can be intertwined but they aren’t the same thing. I hate it when im saying x character is planetary in ap for example and someone says “ohh but they never destroyed a planet”.
The worse thing is that even if u explain it to them carefully they will still deny it and say they basically know better than the whole scaling community💀
@@blahblahblah6898 exactly like they’re two different things for a reason 💀 don’t get how people can get it mixed up lol
@@Rhetorical_Ife i agree with every point you have made so far but fuck newton's third law since anime NEVER follows physics. for example Einstein stated that no object can be faster than the speed of light
now we both know how many characters mentioned here are faster than the speed of light
How about Luffy vs Naruto vs Ichigo but if their power levels are the same
u should do metroman vs superman fr
The lowball is insane😂gremmy created outer space literally even stated in CFYOW, there are multiple galaxies and stars in what he created….. and each realm is said to be surrounded by the dangai yet when u look up in each realm u see stars and outer space👀definitely bigger then planetary
In the Japanese version Gremmy says it’s a Universe to
Gremmy created two living beings with complete self awareness and their own abilities, it's not even fair
Gremmy said the space he created was a void, the galaxies arent real
@@livingrentfree9596 well the novels itself stated he created outer space blatantly so…
@@16wall.supreme5 The manga is more source material than the novels
how would yusuke stack up to the big three?
IDK
Is yu yu hakusho good?
@@Lord_himothy_the_third other then the end which is rushed its wery good
@@Lord_himothy_the_third the worst of it is the last half of Season 4, and even that tournament goes out with a bang
@@Lord_himothy_the_third yes
Can u do a vid with saitama vs naruto
Do Master UI goku vs ussop vs airhead(mastered UI) luffy
He actually had a good point with luffy not having the sufficient amount of feats.
Gear 5 put him in the game as far as hax and negating physical attacks, advance conq, reality manipulation and can throw any energy based attack back, along with future sight, before we can scale we need end of story strength on all 3
@@zbozyz1089if you are saying that bc of that he can fight with naruto and ichigo then luffy>>>one piece verse and idk luffy is weaker than roger or shanks and those guys aren't even close to naruto
@@zbozyz1089naahh even with those his Capabilities are limited
@@zbozyz1089 The lowest tier of reality manipulation you can get is luffy's, he barely has any, he simply gets destroyed by higher beings in power
op fans be saying shit and have nothing to back it up...someone saying luffy is universal 💀💀
I love how people dont realize that ichigo is invisible and goku be punching and using abilities on air 💀
What drug are you on? How do you know if he can see Ichigo when Bleach only has hollows, shinigamis, quincys, spirits and humans? Alright to put it to someone who didn't watch or read Bleach Ichigo is quincy, shinigami,hollow and human so even if Goku was human he could still see Ichigo. Next time use you damn brain if you have one.
False, kid buu entered the afterlife to kill people that are already dead, that was dbz. DBS Goku scales a lot higher. Dragon ball characters can interact with spiritual bodies or afterlife bodies.
@@golum247 "kid" 💀
You've never paid attention to dragon ball huh
@@sefuvostru2517 how about you use your brain too dude. regardless of his race, or more like mix of races, ichigo still takes the form of a shinigami, a race who’re invisible to people who haven’t been shown to see souls or who don’t have reiatsu. now i’m not saying that goku couldn’t see him, because goku’s probably seen souls, but if he hasn’t, and verse equalisation isn’t being used then goku can’t see ichigo
agreed. though i think some of the scalings are bit far fetched (still arguable all the same and thus valid)
Could you make the music louder please
Luffy is the weakest.
Some correction
• Toneri stated to be Strongest emeny before kaguya was introduced and toneri's chakra was similar to kaguya not comparable zuz they both are otsutsuki + toneri was descendant of kaguya
• naruto via Visual feats scales to multi-solar system cuz using kaguya for scaling naruto is good but if you gonna use visual feats and not statement feats than momoshiki's own scaling is better cuz momoshiki's Dimensiom had Consist of 5 stars + 1 sun + 1 planet
Which makes momoshiki's dimension at least multi-solar and it just base momoshiki while fuse momoshiki is so much stronger than kaguya it doesn't even comparable
• naruto only use 50% of his power is wrong cuz in manga nor novel any such things where stated and even if we go by anime and say it true than Again it only said 50 chakra of just kurama while naruto have chakra of other tailed beast + SO6P and in anime sasuke and naruto was compare in chakra so saying sasuke was only at his 50% of his power just cuz he used portal one time is bluntly wrong cuz sasuke shown being able to open portal even when he is almost out of chakra again jigen and naruto also get time between talking to boruto to fight momoshiki so he most probably recover most of his chakra in that time
sasuke opening portal consumes not half but a third of his chakra, afaik. opening portal even he is almost out of his chakra means he consumed all remaining chakra, which is a third, which technically means it is still almost out of chakra.
The 1/3 chakra consumption only applies to one person going inside his portal which usually means himself. The more people who entered, the more chakra it consumes. That basically means that sasuke actually has even less chakra percentage than naruto when they fought momoshiki.
@@zjpdarkblaze source?
Kaguya stomps momoshiki
Momoshiki got beaten by a 50% chakra naruto who wasnt Training at all and Kaguya speedblitzed 6 paths naruto and momoshikis feats dont compare to Kaguyas
Momoshiki got beaten by a rasengan by Boruto and Kaguya wouldnt even be hurt by that Same rasengan because she tanked all of the different rasenshuriken
And if you wanna say that the light novel Statement of Kaguya beeing weaker than momoshiki is correct then i have to Tell that the light novel is false due to it beeing inconsitent with feats And manga content
Thats just kishimoto writing a plothole or reffering to pre-chakra fruit kaguya who was weaker than most otsutsuki
Kinshiki is also very weak he couldnt even beat the 5 kage
Madara > Kinshiki tbh
@@tensazangetsu7062 "naruto was at 50%"
Prove it otherwise fallacies
"Naruto was not training"
Naruto in boruto clearly shown to be training to fight kaguya+ level threat
2nd fallacies
"Momo get beaten by a rasengan by boruto"
That was made by naruto
3rd fallacies
"light novel is false"
Stated to be canon + i have scan
4th fallacies
And you think your headcanon > statement from light novel 💀😂
Prove light novel is incositent with feats and manga content
Otherse wise fallacies
💀 its kishimoto's mistake cuz it doesn't line up with your headcanon
fallacies
kaguya shown to be afraid even after eating chakra fruit in the false back
fallacies
Prove 5 kages weaker than kaguya
Cuz gaara and chojuro alone > kaguya not to mention naruto in base > kaguya who is also comes under 5 kages
+ kinshiki never even fought 5 kages
fallacies
Kinshiki > juubidara ( no diff )
Your opinion doesn't mean shit
Comment full of fallacies
Invaild comment
You lost the defeat
Good bye
@@UNKNOWN-xf9nkwhy salty
Great video, to be fair the one piece story still has a way to go, so I would love to see a revisit to the characters in a few years
Ehh I'm pretty sure luffy got his last power up already
@@kvakq You think so? he doesn‘t even know what power he‘s using till now.
what difference would baryon scalings make?
I thought the OP world was like 6x bigger than our world? That's nowhere near star level.
Facts
Opfans always bringing this caps to matches Luffy with Naruto and Ichigo lol.
I searched I I found the same thing I don't know how we confuse the two
How do ppl think a sun sized planet is the same as a actual star lol
@@sosa8549 the sun is a star? no?
i think ichigo takes it mid-high diff
Yeah
But one thing
What if Naruto used the flying thundergod jutsu which has been reputed to have instantaneous speed
Could he hold out against Ichigo long enough to maybe destroy him with his six paths chakra enhanced rasenshuriken or something?
@@hënry_zenin
1. naruto doesnt have flying thundergod jutsu
2. blind madara could react to it
3. i dont think so i am not sure if naruto can destroy him their stat deference is insane but naruto has the hax thats why i give it a high diff
@@argy7526 hm
Good point
But yeah I was just speculating (kinda forgot that Madara dodged it while blind😅)
If we are not allowing soul hax like spiritual pressure, than I think Ichigo would win low-mid against Naruto, and no-diff against Luffy. Ichigo's speed is insane when he actually puts effort into it like the Byuakua fight. He straight up created 20 afterimages at once without breaking a sweat. Also, when Ichigo uses getsuga on his sword at swings full power, it can one shot anything close to it.
@@mrfrostwing yeah that's right
Because if we say it's like Ichigo close to full power vs maybe Naruto in baryon mode (just saying this so Naruto doesn't get annihilated) maybe Ichigo wins high-extreme diff against Naruto
just a question what if goku wasnt able to see ichigo how would that go
i might be remembering this wrong but does naruto in bayron mode change this outcome as it says hes stealing life force would that work on someone life ichigo since hes a shinigami?
no? shinigami is a death god, they aren’t alive even disregarding the death part of their name
My Three favorite anime.
In the beauty of battle tactics -Naruto
In the beauty of story-One piece
On the characters power levels-Bleach
who cares about power levels its irrelevant to a story, bleach is inferior as a story to naruto and one piece. Thats all we can take away from it
Who cares about animes in the first place is fiction .@@robleyusuf6454
Ichigo vs gojo please
The ending part was absurd 😂
Goku cock slaps all 3 of em
2:25
Correction: we literally see Naruto channeling all of his KCM powers in one point, wdym at base ;-;
But they can't see Ichigo though. 😁
In all seriousness, I don't see why people try and use scale with Kaguya destroying her dimensions. Destroying alternate dimensions is not reliant on scale but rather how your power/ability scales to the laws and energy creating said dimension.
Even if they could see Ichigo, Ichigo is still winning
@@enderlazerblade oh yeah, obviously.
Well she was doing the destruction by creating a new one and she was just using a big version of an attack we’ve already seen in action
Chakra scales to your AP and DC. Kaguya didn't just created Universal Sized dimensions. Kaguya also destroyed 6 Universal Sized dimensions.
@Anthony Joshua and you just proved Corrupt Angel to be correct, thanks for explaining that narutards over scale Kaguya
We can all personally LIKE all three characters & we can like one more than the other. But on paper, you can’t logically give it to anyone but Ichigo.
literally me. I enjoy all 3 and dislike none of them. Ichigo is my favorite of the 3 but I grew up with Naruto and Luffy is simply a mood. But theres no debate on their power levels. Ichigo is the strongest by far. Just his Vasto Lorde form is enough to take on both of them. Naruto and Luffy....I wouldn't know. Probably close but with the introduction of Gear 5, I'd they even with Naruto currently coming out ahead. Since One Piece hasnt ended, I'm sure we will see at least one more powerup or more feats from Luffy though.
we knew by the thumbnail what would come of this
music a bit loud my friend hard to hear you during naruto part
Personally, I agree that Ichigo has the more concrete higher power scaling but I think Naruto is the more skilled and hax character. I don't really know much about their speed though. I think a fight between them is closer than most people think. A lot closer than Goku vs Saitama that's for sure. I'd argue both Naruto and Ichigo could give Saitama a run for his money.
When it comes to speed it goes to ichigo if you read through the manga, ichigo achieved light speed in the 2nd arc of the series which was about 9 arcs ago? Basically the first time he got his bankai
Bro Garou explained that Saitama grow his power exponentially during the fight, on their fight Saitama sneezed the gasses of Jupiter, his punch destroyed innumerous galaxies at bear minimum multiple solar systems and did that showing 0 effort, as a Naruto Fan I say Saitama is an opponent for Goku, anyone in the big 3 verse have a chance. Until Borus a fight with Saitama was fair, but after cosmic Garou we saw the amount of power Saitama can use without any effort, the guy is so broke that he was able to fart faster than the speed of light since Garou threw him at the sun and teleport back to closer to Earth and Saitama was already at his back, the light of the Sun takes 8 minutes to reach Earth so by any calculation made Saitama's fart is faster than light. That is crazy though LAMO.
Hell naw Goku vs Saitama isn't even close, Goku Being Outerversal and Saitama Multi Solar to Multi Galaxy.
@@albertoalves1063Goku in base is universal at a level higher than our universe now add his transformation multiplications Goku is so unimaginable stronger faster and more durable in base alone than current peak saitama
@@ijqckz226 "When it comes to speed it goes to ichigo if you read through the manga, ichigo achieved light speed in the 2nd arc of the series which was about 9 arcs ago? Basically the first time he got his bankai"
the ppl who say this shit are the funniest mfs ngl
The downplay of the kaguya dimensions is crazy. The fact that ppl try to say it’s only planetary baffles me. If anything destroying it is a 4-D feat which dramatically upscale a the entire verse
They don’t get it
Toaster 💯💯💯🔥 you understand internet marketing 💯
How 😂 he’s just popping out mid videos
Toaster with him defeating kaido isn’t really acceptable since kaido did get jumped 💀
Uh, why ichigo and luffy scaling is so bad, it's just feel like just forcefully pushing luffy to dwarf star lvl, without any concrete evidence, to make him slightly relavent.
And pushed ichigo so you made him win the match. My question is why does gremmy scales to his own imagination and why do you think think he created the outer space rather than creating an portal.
If you want a better picture of Ichigo scaling. Soul Society has starry skies and seemingly has other realms. Ichigo scales way higher then Yama who was at half power and suppressing himself from destroying the entire Soul Society.
Seeing that there are so Many Stars in the sky. And Yama was going to do this against the fake Ywhach.
My question is how the hell is the statement of Toneri being stronger then Kaguya make sense besides it simply hyping up the movie villain who could only cut the moon in half.
@@shirothr5384 Actually Toneri wasn't all just talk in Boruto he was able to fix the cracks in space curvature by using his 4D ability to smooth distortions
@@frostwave0009 what the fuck
He's not fucking 4d
The Novels confirmed that Gremmy materialized The Universe he created it. it wasn’t a Portal and in scaling creating something is a just as big as destroying something like for an example Goku created a Galaxy in his fight with Jiren and since he created it he easily scales to it to
@@Chillchildren999 That wasn't a galaxy that was just his ki
I've seen some people try to argue that because Naruto could damage and keep up with Kaguya, who was star level to solar system as said depending on the scale of her time-space. They argue that because Naruto in base after Momoshiki drained half his power was still superior to Momoshiki, and Momoshiki being at least equal to Kaguya. So their argument would put base Naruto in Boruto era at solar-system.
which dumb as fuck because there isnt a single character in naruto or boruto who has any feat/attack that even can destroy a planet, hell, even a continent. narutards dont know what scaling is
Naruto damaging and keeping up with her is a headcanon lie. Kaguya was shitstomping both SOSP Naruto and Rinnesharingan Sasuke. These people are so wild
@@lapplandkun9273 kaguya is also not solar system level. She aint even planetary. Her fuckin tree jutsu crap is no different than the tree of might from dragon Ball. And thats not planetary.
@@lapplandkun9273 perfect example, if the otsusuki or whatever are planetary, theyd literally just wipe out the "earth" of naruto. They wouldn't give a fuck and stick around for drama.
she is planetary she was destroying dimensions that had a star and planet or planets@@abbacuspotter9232
Don’t hate me for this but Iron man vs Alphonse Elric and Edward Elric, I think it’d be interesting😅 Also one more thing, don’t use the godbuster armor, that’d be a little too over kill
don't stars have like a way higher mass and density than a planet of their same size? so wouldn't this mean stars are way harder to destroy than a planet of that same size?
Actually, according to the natural laws of our world, a planet becomes impossible once it reaches a certain size. If the planet in One Piece were actually the size of the sun, it would automatically turn into a star in our universe because it exceeds the critical mass and gravity does the rest. As far as I know, a super-Earth can only have 10-20 times the mass of our Earth. Everything above it automatically becomes something different, but never a planet like the earth.
So a planet of the size of a star should practically be impossible, as it automatically becomes at least a brown dwarf, or an real star after reaching a certain point.
Ichigo is number one! That's it. The best. The most inspiring. The greatest character ❤
No way anyone can surpass him!
Ngl the galaxy lvl ichigo is just not concrete at all, if anything greemys outer space would be an outlier since he didn't even show planetary lvl feats before and 6× planetary aren't even star lvl let alone galaxy, yamamoto almost being a war potential shows that he is almost around these characters so him being planet lvl and them being galaxy doesn't really make sense. Now the naruto solar is more concrete and consistent apart of the statements made from the creator, like hyping up kinshiki by saying he can destroy planets and same for toneri kinda makes the whole argument meh
Also using the argument that they eat planet so large star to solar system ap is more concrete doesn't work bc planet to star is a difference of 10^7 magnitudes and its assuming they aren't using any chakra at all (for anyone wanting to see how big the number is its, 10.000.000 planets to equal 1 star). And momoshiki eating a star has been translated to world and it has ppl in it so it makes sense its a planet.
Now saying luffys scaling not being very concrete is kinda wierd since in the op world kumas ability allows him to repel things at the speed of light, and its stated that wend kuma send you away it takes 3 days and nights so if we were to assume the bare minimum where kuma can only send the other person to the other side of the planet we still get over 50 thousand times bigger than our sun. Lastly, the wb statement doesn't refer to just marineford bc that's what the vivre card would have stated and sengoku himself would too, in the novels where they aren't in marineford thats also what they say and tsuru says that there wouldn't be a point of running bc he would still reach you in any part of the world, now for the vivre card paraphrases has nothing to do w the statement of him destroying the planet it has to do w his tittle as the strongest, that's bc ppl call kaido the strongest even tho wb has that tittle.
It was stated in the novel that gremmy can create outer space and it showed galaxies inside, even if bankai yamamoto was going to destroy only a "planet" still inside that planet muken exist (an infinite dimension) thats low universal at very least, aizen reiatsu can cover the entire distance between soul palace and soul society (multisolar lowballing). Ichigo slaps
@@lore766 The Novels Confirmed that Gremmy created the Universe at Soul society
Tbh u keep saying Naruto beat momoshiki but he didint ? It was Naruto and sauske and correct me if I’m wrong didint they lose and got saved by boruto?? Cause if his vanishing rasengan ?
"naruto still over powered momoshiki with less than half of his chakra"
*him struggling for a long ass time with the help and support of nearly everyone*
do yusuke vs luffy
Yusuke slams
@@MrCraftyScales no Luffy slams
@@MrCraftyScales Lmaooo nah. There is no scan, statement or feat that you can use to wank Yusuke to even Base Planetary, he's getting slammed
@@Danthelegend288 not even close lol
@@kamixakadio2441 bro its hard enough to even get luffy to planetary, just a sensui in base with 1/3rd of his power was so strong just by existing he was gonna destroy the world, and than you have people that can destroy or transcend hyperspaces or spacetime
The Gremmy galaxy scaling is off because the manga never confirmed it to be a galaxy, Gremmy needed one clone to make a meteor saying it doubled his imagination, and that makes it hard to believe 7 Gremmy made a galaxy when he say his goal is to see if Kenpachi can survive a vaccum. so it would likely just be how Gremmy views space with the size being capped at the largest thing a single gremmy can make times 7 if we are going by how gremmy views his own abilities. even scaling Kenpachi to that would be vague considering how he got out. he didn't destroy that construct he cut his way out like a portal similar to someone like Jack the Ripper from Black Clover cutting space and Gravity.
The novel confirms it that he did create the outer space and everything in it, galaxies and stars. 2 times.
Secondly, Grammy never says that he needs another clone to make a meteor. He says that "I'll show you the best of my power" and says that "i can even create life" *referring to his clone and the other sternritters that he created* and says that "my power of imagination simply doubles"
After then he created the meteor.
He was talking about him being able to create life.
Kenpachi didn't cut it, he broke the fabric of space or should i say the fabric of reality because he was thrown in another reality that Grammy had created. You can see the pieces of space flying off.
Breaking the fabric of space in Bleach is not a big deal, ichigo did it twice, Ulquiorra did it as well casually.
@@codebreak1884 cutting through a portion of space doesn't make him galaxy level though. I'm not sure how you guys figure gremmy even created an entire galaxy when it seems more likely that he just imagined the vacuum of space. This feat is really hard to quantify and to say that this is a galaxy level feat is a stretch at best. For all we know gremmy simply made a portal to the vacuum of space which would be way less impressive than creating a new sub space. I think the best feat you can scale from that fight is kenpachi destroying the meteor.
@@LuciusFox24
Look dude, the LN directly states it that he created the outer space with everything in it. I'm not adding anything or wanking, i know is hard for Naruto fan's to accept this even when you have it right in front of your face.
You can even see the galaxys and stars in it.
I doubt they are stars as in raw is called galaxy room, meaning they are all galaxies. Read the original or raw translation.
Secondly. Kenpachi dosen't scale to Grammy just because he broke the "fabric of space".
He scales to Grammy in full power, because with that body that Grammy created the galaxies, he couldn't handle Kenpachi's full power, as he needed a new body to handle that amount of power, stated by him. Grammys own body is imagination.
Also base Yhwach directly scales to Grammy, as he is the only sternritter who can stop him (stated) and base Ichigo scales to base Yhwach or ichigo might be slightly stronger. No Almighty.
Base Yhwach
@@codebreak1884 If we are using LNs Momoshiki and Kaguya created parallel dimensions/universes. That’s leaving out the fact it’s also confirmed in the Boruto anime.
@@onesmart229 The LN statmens that got dabunked hundreds of time, because of translation errors and where is it configured in the Anime???
The manga itself dabunks the LN.
I need a Chapter of the Novel where is stated that "Kaguya created this or that parallel dimension"
If you knew me before my 20s, you never actually knew , you knew season 1 me, we were severely underfunded and the writing team was going through a lot
this kinda only compares their AP, what about other attributes like speed or reaction time, how about their abilities/hax? those certainly play a role if they are going to fight, a galaxy lvl attack doesn't matter if your opponent can just dodge it
Bleach has been light speed since around chapter 170. Everyone got absurdly amped by the end of the series so safe to say they only got faster as time went on.
Naruto did get stronger between his light speed dodging in the war and as an adult but nowhere near the titanic increases Ichigo had between fresh bankai and the Horn of Salvation bankai.
Bruh Ichigo clearly slams Naruto, Naruto clearly slams Luffy. Simple as, people believe just because Luffy has concours’s haki and his physical properties are limited to his imagination, he can take Naruto. Bro, one tailed beast bomb, whipes him out, end of
Luffy picks up the floor and bounces it back
Man u didn't added the LN statement of chap 24 of CFYOW-lll of muken being covered by infinite shadows and in anime as well said to be infinitely large and weaken sk stopped the shaking of muken and ichigo was stronger than him in TS so and muken being infinite means 3d infinite and vsbw says that 3d infinite is high universal and it being the lowest level of ss so yhwash was clearly going to destroy the 3 worlds at the least so he could be low multiversal as 2 or higher than 2 universe scales to low multiversal and garganta is also by aura in Ln stated to be I infinite/endless in size which holds all realms so I think it must be atleast could be scale to multiversal and ichigo was a sk candidate and being powerful than weaken sk so ichigo can be low multi to multiversal
Would be interesting to see G5 Luffy vs End of shippuden Naruto.
Nice vid