Also love the video. My only thought was on drum and Yajirobe for the king piccolo saga. Yajirobe kills one of piccolo's minions while Yamcha is injured with a broken leg
Same. It's made clear yajirobi was equal to goku at the beggining. Dont really know how a random mountain man, who might not even be able to use ki, is stronger than roshi. But he def was.
15:55 I'm going with Super Saiyan Blue Evolution as Geetz while using that form was doing far better than before He wasn't feeling stamina issue and even that form helped Geetz survive tha Final explosion and after that in his fragile physical condition he was able to use SSBE for bit before Jiren KO him
Lets do a BGM comparison of the most memorable scenes of DBZ someday. Featuring Kikuchi, Yamamoto, Wasserman, Faulconer, Keenlyside, Johnson, and Sumitomo.
Idk if I’d say Tien should be higher than Goku in the 22nd tenkaichi Budokai. You gotta remember Goku took a couple of free shots because of Chiaotzu cheating and they basically still ended basically in a draw. That makes the win feel kinda tainted considering how down to wire it was in their fight
11:18 i havent seen anyone else point this out, but the little sprite thing you use in parts of the video like this has a dot on the far right of it. IDK if you noticed that or not but it was kind of bugging me a little.
Mostly agreed with everything. Here are just some minor nitpicks: -Monster Carrot above Pilaf in the pilaf saga - Yajirobe or Tambourine above Yamcha in the DKP arc -Piccolo above Vegeta in Namek -Ginyu above Gohan in Namek -Vegeta was most likely stronger than an individual Cell Jr -That being said, Trunks was probably slightly stronger than Vegeta anyway but could go either way - In the anime, Hit is probably stronger than Goku, but in the manga, Goku wipes the floor with him -By the end of the Goku black arc, Goku and Vegeta have both surpassed Goku Black. One of the best scenes in the arc is Vegeta pummeling him - I do agree with Kefla being #5, but I do think there's an argument for Anilaza, Dyspo, Gohan, Frieza, or Android #17 especially if considering the manga where Gohan is equal to Kefla Also for fun here are the manga arcs and GT imo Moro: 1. Merus 2. Goku 3. Moro 4. Vegeta 5. Buu Granollah: 1. Frieza 2. Gas 3. Goku 4. Vegeta 5. Granollah Black Star Dragon Balls: 1. Goku 2. Rilldo 3. Luud 4. Ledgic 5. Trunks Baby: 1. Goku 2. Baby 3. Majuub 4. Vegeta 5. Gohan Super 17: 1. Goku 2. Super 17 3. Vegeta 4. Majuub 5. Hell Fighter 17 Shadow Dragons: 1. Gogeta 2. Omega Shenron 3. Goku 4. Vegeta 5. Nuova/Eis Shenron
I disagree with a couple of those, Picollo above vegeta in namek seems ehh to me, your only real basis would be piccolo tanking final form frieza somewhat, but vegeta more than likely could to the same and atleast seemed to be able to output more damage after his zenkai. He can sense ki and thought he could deal some type of damage to final form frieza atleast, whereas piccolo caps out at 3rd form. Next is ginyu over gohan, first form frieza has a power level of around half a million, ginyu's is like around 120000 if i remember correctly. Gohan manages to actually push and even hurt 2nd form frieza who is at 1 million (hurt not really being doing lasting damage). Seeing how far ahead even just a couple of tens of thousands can make you, it's safe to assume a rage fueled gohan(maybe even base) could probably beat ginyu no body change. Vegeta being stronger than a cell jr also seems iffy. The fight doesn't last long enough (vegeta and trunks tbf also aren't the worse off from the encounter), but he's outwardly seen shocked by their power, gets even worse in the anime where he fails a final flash (although not at the strength he fired at cell). You could make the debate he could defeat them with extreme difficulty, but considering even in that scenario vegeta only slightly edges them out power wise, they have regen, and a lot more diverse moveset so they'd probably end up winning (It's more realistic that a healthy cell saga Mastered Ssj goku could take one out and is stronger, who's actually pretty far up from trunks and vegeta). The rest honestly seems pretty spot on.
9:47 No Gohan was still stronger than SP Cell Remember when Cell returned and killed Trunks with a death beam Every body was sacred as fuck but Gohan wasn't even seemed worried about it He powered up from Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan 2 and gave a smirk " Now I can kill you my self" goes to show that Gohan was ( is ) a fucking Beast
-Ox King>Goku at least in the Anime (he didn't even flinch when Goku punched him) -Nam>Krillin>Giran>Yamcha (Giran put up a good fight vs Goku while Yamcha was one shotted by Roshi) -Goku>Roshi in Baba Saga (Roshi himself claimed that he could never have beaten the Mummy ) -Tien>Roshi in 22nd BT (Roshi said he would have lost even if he hadn't quit) -Drum should be No3 in King Piccolo Saga in the first category and no4 behind Old King Piccolo in the second.
15:43 i disagree id say that Kefla should be 5th in the more in depth rank because she was stated to be stronger than UI Sign Goku at that time only lost because Goku actively wasn't fighting her and waited for the right moment to strike
Just saying... You're wrong about the 22nd tournament. Goku had already surpassed his master by then. Kamesennin even told Tenshinhan that he was right about one thing, he would have lost that fight if he didn't surrender. Actually, I'd say Goku had already surpassed his master after he trains with Karin.
Idk for the cell saga, SSJ1 Goku above SSJ1 Gohan seems kinda off. There’s a decent amount of signs that Gohan thought Goku was holding back and I think with his one kick he does to cell, manages to get him off his feet and slightly make him bleed? (I could be wrong about that) That one’s kinda contentious though so I don’t mind the placement tho 😅
There are lots of shifts in power and the scaling between the manga and anime are vastly different throughout the Buu Saga as a whole. I'm gonna have the manga scaling on the left and the anime scaling on the right... Majin Buu Saga, character ranking 1. Goku --- Goku 2. Majin Buu --- Majin Buu 3. Majin Vegeta --- Majin Vegeta 4. Vegeta --- Vegeta 5. Majin Dabura --- Majin Dabura Majin Buu Saga, individual form ranking 1. Super Saiyan 3 Goku --- Super Saiyan 3 Goku 2. Majin Buu --- Majin Buu 3. Super Saiyan 2 Goku --- Super Saiyan 2 Goku 4. Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta --- Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta 5. Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta --- Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta are equal. I placed them at 3 and 4 to have an actual top 5, rather than having six entries. Fusion Saga, character ranking 1. Vegetto --- Vegetto 2. Buu --- Buu 3. Gohan --- Goku 4. Gotenks --- Vegeta 5. Goku --- Gohan Fusion Saga, individual form ranking 1. Super Saiyan Vegetto, Suppressed --- Super Saiyan Vegetto, Standard Output 2. Buuhan --- Buuhan, Full Power 3. Buutenks --- Super Saiyan Vegetto, Suppressed 4. Ultimate Gohan --- Vegetto 5. Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks --- Buuhan Kid Buu Saga, character ranking 1. Vegetto --- Kid Buu 2. Buu --- Goku 3. Gohan --- Vegeta 4. Gotenks --- Innocent Buu 5. Goku --- Vegetto Vegetto is the strongest character in the manga. That remains uncontested. That's why I still have him ranked in the Kid Buu Saga. Kid Buu Saga, individual form ranking 1. Super Saiyan Vegetto --- Kid Buu 2. Buuhan --- Super Saiyan 3 Goku 3. Buutenks --- Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta 4. Ultimate Gohan --- Super Saiyan 2 Goku 5. Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks --- Innocent Buu Any questions, feel free to ask.
Yeah how is vegito weaker than goku and vegeta in the anime? Especially when Buuhan gets an anime only feat where he rips several holes in space as a response to getting pushed by vegito, that could set off a chain reaction causing dimensions to collide.
@@Lokisif34 In the anime, Goku and the narrator state that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu. Meaning Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan. Goku himself by this point has fought almost every iteration of Buu. If anyone could tell how strong Kid Buu is, it'd be him. While there aren't any statements about Goku and Vegeta getting stronger, it's pretty clear that their power increases dramatically as time progresses. At the start of the Buu Saga, Goku and Vegeta both used Cell Games Saga Super Saiyan 2 Gohan as a benchmark when it came to their own power as Super Saiyan 2's. When they fought each other, they were marginally stronger than Gohan from seven years prior. Goku goes from being Fat Buu level while at Super Saiyan 3 to being able to contend with Buutenks as a Super Saiyan 3. He didn't train in between. He just sat around on Shin's planet. Gohan had trouble with Buutenks. All of a sudden, here comes Goku, being able to hold his own against Buutenks. Elder Kai gave his life to Goku. Some people think that's why he got a power boost, but it's never actually stated. In any case, being able to keep up with Buutenks means that he's stronger than Ultimate Gohan or at least equal to him. That isn't the case in the manga, where Gohan is stronger. That's a big jump in power. Shortly after, Goku is able to hold off Buuhan (with Vegeta's help) as a Super Saiyan. He's able to land some hits as well. Not as a Super Saiyan 2, not as a Super Saiyan 3, but as a Super Saiyan. Another jump in power, a more substantial one. Goku initially fights Kid Buu as a Super Saiyan 2. This is where he makes the comment about Kid Buu being the strongest Buu. Meaning by this point, him, Kid Buu, and Vegeta (I'll get to him in a bit) are above Buuhan level, and by proxy Vegetto level, too. Vegetto had to go all-out when Buuhan started shattering dimensions. Vegetto even says that he may not have survived Buuhan's Ghost Kamikaze/Masenko combination. With that said, Kid Buu and Super Saiyan 3 Goku place above Vegetto. This is the biggest power jump by far. The Majin power boost is equivalent to one's potential being unlocked. Babidi himself says so. Meaning that Goku and Vegeta are equal, not counting Super Saiyan 3. Vegeta gets a power jump from the start. Although, this applies to both the manga and the anime. After having his body restored, Vegeta is able to fight off Buuhan as a Super Saiyan (with Goku's help). As I mentioned for Goku earlier, this is also a substantial jump in power for Vegeta. While buying time for Goku to recharge, Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta is able to land hits on Kid Buu, something Super Saiyan 3 Goku has difficulty doing down the line. Another massive power jump for Vegeta. It's really difficult to argue with Goku and Vegeta's increase in power. It isn't explained, but we see it happen, time and time again. If I had to guess why the narrative/power scaling was changed so drastically, it's because Toei simply wanted Goku to be their guy, and Vegeta to be their number two. The Japanese titles of DBZ Movie 13 and Episode 286 are kind of a dead giveaway when it comes to Goku. They're titled "Dragon Fist Explosion!! If Goku Won't Do It, Who Will?" and "Son Goku is Strongest After All!! Majin Boo is Eliminated", respectively.
@@thirdworldrenegade Which anime are you using? I use kai, since it's the most faithful and has the least filler (and tends to be the most commonly used version for Z anime topics). Vegeta and goku don't fight off buuhan for sht, they don't get immediatly killed because buuhan isn't taking them seriously (super buu was cocky as is, but then add gotenks and mystic gohan). By the time they form vegito they are in base incredibly damaged after one ki clash with buuhan (both of them ki blasting him). After seeing kid buu, goku even states they can handle him like that (but fine lets say it's due to stature not strength). Elder kai even states that due to him going back to his state that was hard for bibidi to control, his most troublesome version (Not the strongest, which goes in line with common thinking that kid buu's the most dangerous due to him essentially being 100% pure evil, which makes him even more volatile than the other version of buu). Can't find any mention on the narrator or goku stating he's the strongest, but i skimmed through the eps, if you could give me the number of the episode where this is stated. Oh and another note, kid buu still never displays the power buuhan does in terms of dooming existence with that dimensional power scream, which makes no sense for kid buu's character, if he had the ability to the same (which he should if he's stronger) he would have considering he glasses the planet frame 1, and actively tries to flush out and look for goku/vegeta.
@@Lokisif34 I was going by the original Japanese version. Goku makes the following statement in Episode 276... "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, and powers of recovery are all incredible! You're on a whole different level from all the Boos up to now. You're ridiculously strong!" The Final Chapters are a bit fuzzy to me. I do remember some anime-exclusive material making it to Kai, though. Like when Super Saiyan 3 Goku fought Buutenks. This is what Goku said about Kid Buu in the Japanese version of Kai... "Majin Boo... He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperative ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now. He's out-of-this-world strong." It's a really weird translation. Goku seems to be downplaying Kid Buu while also praising him.
@@thirdworldrenegade But even in the og Japanese version elder Kai still makes the statement of “most difficult one”, with kibito kai pretty much agrees with him. He says absorption weakened his power, but that probably only apply’s to fat buu. Plus an additional statement by goku when offered potaro by kibito kai says “after all, he ain’t merged any more either” after selfishly making the request to fight kid buu. It’s weird because kibito follows that up with “most difficult, powerful majin boo” with how contradictory every couple of statements could put kid buu weaker or stronger than buuhan i just tend to take matter into my own hands. Going off their feats and how they interacted with the characters. At this point zenkai’s are basically useless, there’s no conceivable way goku and vegeta basically more than double their power (if we are going off kid buu greater than buuhan) when part of vegeta’s whole point in this arc was accepting outside help due to his own stagnation. Which I feel is consistent, kid buu’s definitely stronger than fat buu, every statement points to it (plus he literally washes him), stronger than super buu because that has fat buu in it. yet when it comes to buuhan vs kid buu, especially in the og anime version it’s all over the place. Most of that came from looking for this statement, which is actually 279. Which I feel doesn’t really make any sense. Not only has Goku not fully powered up (this is before ssj3 vs kid buu) and seen the full extent of kid buu’s power, this comes after just a test of strength against kid buu. Him being on a whole other level could mean a lot of things to a fighter like Goku. There’s also a chance he means the other buu’s in their base forms, and considers the variations of super buu as separate entities themselves (much like one could consider any other fusion as such, we do know depending on strength the characters buu absorbs does have an influence on him) Idk man.
nah hard disagree with Goku doing better in his fight against Broly than Vegeta. Yeah Vegeta fought a weaker broly and got him to the level where he swapped with Goku, but Goku got washed for 80% of that fight and when broly went super Saiyan it was a wrap for him and Vegeta.
definitely not especially if you read the manga. Plus let's get into the sum of their parts. Goku Black was stronger than Goku and vegeta but Zamasu was not on their level, he only had immortality. Goku and Vegeta were relative and thus their sums would make a ways stronger being than the formers sums.
it is stade the buff roshi coood kill grate ape goku in the tornament just before he destoyd the moon yamcha alsow stats that this is in the first tencaicki budokai
in the scoen thenic budoki sais that roshi sood be weeksa than thenshinhan due to andei that he woood lose adn tenshin an was alsow holding back. In batel of gods you forgot wihs in the end of the moove whis one shot berus. Where is zeno sam and his gardian the goods of destion
I’ve only watched the anime with (lots of) copium hoping it’ll eventually continue. That said I do know thru lots of spoilers that ultra ego exists. I know the theory behind UI in moving without thinking, what’s the theory of UE? Without being too much of a spoiler
- I dont think Roshi was stronger than Tenshinhan or Goku in the 22nd tournament - In the King Piccolo saga Drum is stronger than Tien, since he beats Tien. - Kaioken is not a form - Ssj 1 Teen gohan in the Cell saga was probably stronger than Goku - When we get to dbs why not even mention the angels or zeno? - What about the dbs manga? This video is great tho
-When Roshi forfeits the match in the 22nd tournament Tien says Roshi was holding back - Tbh I completely forgot about Drum 😂 - Ik i said kaioken technique - Ssj Gohan is probably stronger than goku but Gohan never really took the fight seriously in that form so I dont think we got to see his full extent of his power - The list would be full of gods and angels so theres no point
@@Flipitmixit Heres the scene I'm referring to if you want to take a look - hianime.to/watch/dragon-ball-509?ep=10311 starting @21:40 you can decide for yourself but to me I think Roshi was stronger. As for not including the manga content I honestly had it in the script but i removed it because the way I seen the manga material was from Justin Dens videos so I wasn't completely sure about those rankings. Thank you tho!
No lol I wrote the script. The only thing I use Ai for is after I finish the script, I go back and let it improve the flow and some punctuation mistakes
LMK if you agree or disagree with some of these placements. Also, for the buu sagas more detailed ranking I meant to put Gohan instead of Gotenks 😂
Finally someone who understands super buu
Also love the video. My only thought was on drum and Yajirobe for the king piccolo saga. Yajirobe kills one of piccolo's minions while Yamcha is injured with a broken leg
Yea I'm not gonna lie i completely forgot about those 2
Same. It's made clear yajirobi was equal to goku at the beggining. Dont really know how a random mountain man, who might not even be able to use ki, is stronger than roshi. But he def was.
Go back and read the piccolo arc, yajorobi was 3rd after goku and piccolo. He was equal to goku at the beggining of the arc
Ik i completely forgot about him and drum
keep up the good work
Thank you!!
15:55 I'm going with Super Saiyan Blue Evolution as Geetz while using that form was doing far better than before
He wasn't feeling stamina issue and even that form helped Geetz survive tha Final explosion and after that in his fragile physical condition he was able to use SSBE for bit before Jiren KO him
Lets do a BGM comparison of the most memorable scenes of DBZ someday. Featuring Kikuchi, Yamamoto, Wasserman, Faulconer, Keenlyside, Johnson, and Sumitomo.
Might be a good idea to do
10:52 Super saiyan 3 gotenks over Ultimate Gohan is crazy!!!
Pinned comment dude
@@KeyReviewsOfficial I didn’t even read that. Thank you. I just found your channel and got interested. New subscriber. My bad 😂
All good, lol. Hope you enjoy the content!
How long have you been a TH-camr? I love this video I first seen!
@@MainProtagonist About a year but now I'm trying to be more consistent
Idk if I’d say Tien should be higher than Goku in the 22nd tenkaichi Budokai. You gotta remember Goku took a couple of free shots because of Chiaotzu cheating and they basically still ended basically in a draw. That makes the win feel kinda tainted considering how down to wire it was in their fight
@jalencunningham2012 yea but if I remember correctly tien let goku get a few free hits because of that reason
@@KeyReviewsOfficial I think that was only for Piccolo in the 23rd arc. But I’m not 100% on that either lol
11:18 i havent seen anyone else point this out, but the little sprite thing you use in parts of the video like this has a dot on the far right of it. IDK if you noticed that or not but it was kind of bugging me a little.
Mostly agreed with everything. Here are just some minor nitpicks:
-Monster Carrot above Pilaf in the pilaf saga
- Yajirobe or Tambourine above Yamcha in the DKP arc
-Piccolo above Vegeta in Namek
-Ginyu above Gohan in Namek
-Vegeta was most likely stronger than an individual Cell Jr
-That being said, Trunks was probably slightly stronger than Vegeta anyway but could go either way
- In the anime, Hit is probably stronger than Goku, but in the manga, Goku wipes the floor with him
-By the end of the Goku black arc, Goku and Vegeta have both surpassed Goku Black. One of the best scenes in the arc is Vegeta pummeling him
- I do agree with Kefla being #5, but I do think there's an argument for Anilaza, Dyspo, Gohan, Frieza, or Android #17 especially if considering the manga where Gohan is equal to Kefla
Also for fun here are the manga arcs and GT imo
Moro:
1. Merus
2. Goku
3. Moro
4. Vegeta
5. Buu
Granollah:
1. Frieza
2. Gas
3. Goku
4. Vegeta
5. Granollah
Black Star Dragon Balls:
1. Goku
2. Rilldo
3. Luud
4. Ledgic
5. Trunks
Baby:
1. Goku
2. Baby
3. Majuub
4. Vegeta
5. Gohan
Super 17:
1. Goku
2. Super 17
3. Vegeta
4. Majuub
5. Hell Fighter 17
Shadow Dragons:
1. Gogeta
2. Omega Shenron
3. Goku
4. Vegeta
5. Nuova/Eis Shenron
I disagree with a couple of those, Picollo above vegeta in namek seems ehh to me, your only real basis would be piccolo tanking final form frieza somewhat, but vegeta more than likely could to the same and atleast seemed to be able to output more damage after his zenkai. He can sense ki and thought he could deal some type of damage to final form frieza atleast, whereas piccolo caps out at 3rd form.
Next is ginyu over gohan, first form frieza has a power level of around half a million, ginyu's is like around 120000 if i remember correctly. Gohan manages to actually push and even hurt 2nd form frieza who is at 1 million (hurt not really being doing lasting damage). Seeing how far ahead even just a couple of tens of thousands can make you, it's safe to assume a rage fueled gohan(maybe even base) could probably beat ginyu no body change.
Vegeta being stronger than a cell jr also seems iffy. The fight doesn't last long enough (vegeta and trunks tbf also aren't the worse off from the encounter), but he's outwardly seen shocked by their power, gets even worse in the anime where he fails a final flash (although not at the strength he fired at cell). You could make the debate he could defeat them with extreme difficulty, but considering even in that scenario vegeta only slightly edges them out power wise, they have regen, and a lot more diverse moveset so they'd probably end up winning (It's more realistic that a healthy cell saga Mastered Ssj goku could take one out and is stronger, who's actually pretty far up from trunks and vegeta).
The rest honestly seems pretty spot on.
good UE artwork in the thumbnail wish it actually looked that good
9:47 No Gohan was still stronger than SP Cell
Remember when Cell returned and killed Trunks with a death beam
Every body was sacred as fuck but Gohan wasn't even seemed worried about it
He powered up from Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan 2 and gave a smirk " Now I can kill you my self" goes to show that Gohan was ( is ) a fucking Beast
-Ox King>Goku at least in the Anime (he didn't even flinch when Goku punched him)
-Nam>Krillin>Giran>Yamcha (Giran put up a good fight vs Goku while Yamcha was one shotted by Roshi)
-Goku>Roshi in Baba Saga (Roshi himself claimed that he could never have beaten the Mummy )
-Tien>Roshi in 22nd BT (Roshi said he would have lost even if he hadn't quit)
-Drum should be No3 in King Piccolo Saga in the first category and no4 behind Old King Piccolo in the second.
15:43 i disagree id say that Kefla should be 5th in the more in depth rank because she was stated to be stronger than UI Sign Goku at that time
only lost because Goku actively wasn't fighting her and waited for the right moment to strike
Sure, but goku got stronger in ui sign since his fight with Kefla
@@KeyReviewsOfficial oh yeah he def did otherwise he couldn't have done anything to Jiren
but she should still be 5th place imo
fun video
Just saying... You're wrong about the 22nd tournament. Goku had already surpassed his master by then. Kamesennin even told Tenshinhan that he was right about one thing, he would have lost that fight if he didn't surrender. Actually, I'd say Goku had already surpassed his master after he trains with Karin.
Idk for the cell saga, SSJ1 Goku above SSJ1 Gohan seems kinda off. There’s a decent amount of signs that Gohan thought Goku was holding back and I think with his one kick he does to cell, manages to get him off his feet and slightly make him bleed? (I could be wrong about that)
That one’s kinda contentious though so I don’t mind the placement tho 😅
Gohan saw Goku’s Full Power and was like “meh” so yeah SSJ Gohan should be above him for sure
17:25 what about Ultimate Piccolo?
@esdrasdjuma6585 the gammas were stronger than that piccolo
@@KeyReviewsOfficialThey were stronger than gohan
@@esdrasdjuma6585 ultimate gohan was winning against the gamma
@@KeyReviewsOfficialhonestly, he wasn't
@@esdrasdjuma6585 what makes you think that
There are lots of shifts in power and the scaling between the manga and anime are vastly different throughout the Buu Saga as a whole. I'm gonna have the manga scaling on the left and the anime scaling on the right...
Majin Buu Saga, character ranking
1. Goku --- Goku
2. Majin Buu --- Majin Buu
3. Majin Vegeta --- Majin Vegeta
4. Vegeta --- Vegeta
5. Majin Dabura --- Majin Dabura
Majin Buu Saga, individual form ranking
1. Super Saiyan 3 Goku --- Super Saiyan 3 Goku
2. Majin Buu --- Majin Buu
3. Super Saiyan 2 Goku --- Super Saiyan 2 Goku
4. Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta --- Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta
5. Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta --- Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta
Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta are equal. I placed them at 3 and 4 to have an actual top 5, rather than having six entries.
Fusion Saga, character ranking
1. Vegetto --- Vegetto
2. Buu --- Buu
3. Gohan --- Goku
4. Gotenks --- Vegeta
5. Goku --- Gohan
Fusion Saga, individual form ranking
1. Super Saiyan Vegetto, Suppressed --- Super Saiyan Vegetto, Standard Output
2. Buuhan --- Buuhan, Full Power
3. Buutenks --- Super Saiyan Vegetto, Suppressed
4. Ultimate Gohan --- Vegetto
5. Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks --- Buuhan
Kid Buu Saga, character ranking
1. Vegetto --- Kid Buu
2. Buu --- Goku
3. Gohan --- Vegeta
4. Gotenks --- Innocent Buu
5. Goku --- Vegetto
Vegetto is the strongest character in the manga. That remains uncontested. That's why I still have him ranked in the Kid Buu Saga.
Kid Buu Saga, individual form ranking
1. Super Saiyan Vegetto --- Kid Buu
2. Buuhan --- Super Saiyan 3 Goku
3. Buutenks --- Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta
4. Ultimate Gohan --- Super Saiyan 2 Goku
5. Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks --- Innocent Buu
Any questions, feel free to ask.
Yeah how is vegito weaker than goku and vegeta in the anime? Especially when Buuhan gets an anime only feat where he rips several holes in space as a response to getting pushed by vegito, that could set off a chain reaction causing dimensions to collide.
@@Lokisif34
In the anime, Goku and the narrator state that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu. Meaning Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan. Goku himself by this point has fought almost every iteration of Buu. If anyone could tell how strong Kid Buu is, it'd be him.
While there aren't any statements about Goku and Vegeta getting stronger, it's pretty clear that their power increases dramatically as time progresses.
At the start of the Buu Saga, Goku and Vegeta both used Cell Games Saga Super Saiyan 2 Gohan as a benchmark when it came to their own power as Super Saiyan 2's. When they fought each other, they were marginally stronger than Gohan from seven years prior.
Goku goes from being Fat Buu level while at Super Saiyan 3 to being able to contend with Buutenks as a Super Saiyan 3. He didn't train in between. He just sat around on Shin's planet. Gohan had trouble with Buutenks. All of a sudden, here comes Goku, being able to hold his own against Buutenks. Elder Kai gave his life to Goku. Some people think that's why he got a power boost, but it's never actually stated. In any case, being able to keep up with Buutenks means that he's stronger than Ultimate Gohan or at least equal to him. That isn't the case in the manga, where Gohan is stronger. That's a big jump in power.
Shortly after, Goku is able to hold off Buuhan (with Vegeta's help) as a Super Saiyan. He's able to land some hits as well. Not as a Super Saiyan 2, not as a Super Saiyan 3, but as a Super Saiyan. Another jump in power, a more substantial one.
Goku initially fights Kid Buu as a Super Saiyan 2. This is where he makes the comment about Kid Buu being the strongest Buu. Meaning by this point, him, Kid Buu, and Vegeta (I'll get to him in a bit) are above Buuhan level, and by proxy Vegetto level, too. Vegetto had to go all-out when Buuhan started shattering dimensions. Vegetto even says that he may not have survived Buuhan's Ghost Kamikaze/Masenko combination. With that said, Kid Buu and Super Saiyan 3 Goku place above Vegetto. This is the biggest power jump by far.
The Majin power boost is equivalent to one's potential being unlocked. Babidi himself says so. Meaning that Goku and Vegeta are equal, not counting Super Saiyan 3. Vegeta gets a power jump from the start. Although, this applies to both the manga and the anime.
After having his body restored, Vegeta is able to fight off Buuhan as a Super Saiyan (with Goku's help). As I mentioned for Goku earlier, this is also a substantial jump in power for Vegeta.
While buying time for Goku to recharge, Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta is able to land hits on Kid Buu, something Super Saiyan 3 Goku has difficulty doing down the line. Another massive power jump for Vegeta.
It's really difficult to argue with Goku and Vegeta's increase in power. It isn't explained, but we see it happen, time and time again. If I had to guess why the narrative/power scaling was changed so drastically, it's because Toei simply wanted Goku to be their guy, and Vegeta to be their number two. The Japanese titles of DBZ Movie 13 and Episode 286 are kind of a dead giveaway when it comes to Goku. They're titled "Dragon Fist Explosion!! If Goku Won't Do It, Who Will?" and "Son Goku is Strongest After All!! Majin Boo is Eliminated", respectively.
@@thirdworldrenegade Which anime are you using? I use kai, since it's the most faithful and has the least filler (and tends to be the most commonly used version for Z anime topics). Vegeta and goku don't fight off buuhan for sht, they don't get immediatly killed because buuhan isn't taking them seriously (super buu was cocky as is, but then add gotenks and mystic gohan). By the time they form vegito they are in base incredibly damaged after one ki clash with buuhan (both of them ki blasting him). After seeing kid buu, goku even states they can handle him like that (but fine lets say it's due to stature not strength). Elder kai even states that due to him going back to his state that was hard for bibidi to control, his most troublesome version (Not the strongest, which goes in line with common thinking that kid buu's the most dangerous due to him essentially being 100% pure evil, which makes him even more volatile than the other version of buu). Can't find any mention on the narrator or goku stating he's the strongest, but i skimmed through the eps, if you could give me the number of the episode where this is stated.
Oh and another note, kid buu still never displays the power buuhan does in terms of dooming existence with that dimensional power scream, which makes no sense for kid buu's character, if he had the ability to the same (which he should if he's stronger) he would have considering he glasses the planet frame 1, and actively tries to flush out and look for goku/vegeta.
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I was going by the original Japanese version. Goku makes the following statement in Episode 276...
"Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, and powers of recovery are all incredible! You're on a whole different level from all the Boos up to now. You're ridiculously strong!"
The Final Chapters are a bit fuzzy to me. I do remember some anime-exclusive material making it to Kai, though. Like when Super Saiyan 3 Goku fought Buutenks.
This is what Goku said about Kid Buu in the Japanese version of Kai...
"Majin Boo... He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperative ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now. He's out-of-this-world strong."
It's a really weird translation. Goku seems to be downplaying Kid Buu while also praising him.
@@thirdworldrenegade But even in the og Japanese version elder Kai still makes the statement of “most difficult one”, with kibito kai pretty much agrees with him. He says absorption weakened his power, but that probably only apply’s to fat buu. Plus an additional statement by goku when offered potaro by kibito kai says “after all, he ain’t merged any more either” after selfishly making the request to fight kid buu. It’s weird because kibito follows that up with “most difficult, powerful majin boo” with how contradictory every couple of statements could put kid buu weaker or stronger than buuhan i just tend to take matter into my own hands. Going off their feats and how they interacted with the characters. At this point zenkai’s are basically useless, there’s no conceivable way goku and vegeta basically more than double their power (if we are going off kid buu greater than buuhan) when part of vegeta’s whole point in this arc was accepting outside help due to his own stagnation. Which I feel is consistent, kid buu’s definitely stronger than fat buu, every statement points to it (plus he literally washes him), stronger than super buu because that has fat buu in it. yet when it comes to buuhan vs kid buu, especially in the og anime version it’s all over the place.
Most of that came from looking for this statement, which is actually 279. Which I feel doesn’t really make any sense. Not only has Goku not fully powered up (this is before ssj3 vs kid buu) and seen the full extent of kid buu’s power, this comes after just a test of strength against kid buu. Him being on a whole other level could mean a lot of things to a fighter like Goku. There’s also a chance he means the other buu’s in their base forms, and considers the variations of super buu as separate entities themselves (much like one could consider any other fusion as such, we do know depending on strength the characters buu absorbs does have an influence on him) Idk man.
Goku be making every list 😂
10:51 you meant gohan instead of gotenks
DANGGG I DID Haha!
I don't know if that's controversial or not but I believe the Ox King was stronger than Goku during the piluf gang arc but just that arc
nah hard disagree with Goku doing better in his fight against Broly than Vegeta. Yeah Vegeta fought a weaker broly and got him to the level where he swapped with Goku, but Goku got washed for 80% of that fight and when broly went super Saiyan it was a wrap for him and Vegeta.
I would say Fused Zamasu>Vegito Blue
definitely not especially if you read the manga. Plus let's get into the sum of their parts. Goku Black was stronger than Goku and vegeta but Zamasu was not on their level, he only had immortality. Goku and Vegeta were relative and thus their sums would make a ways stronger being than the formers sums.
it is stade the buff roshi coood kill grate ape goku in the tornament just before he destoyd the moon yamcha alsow stats that this is in the first tencaicki budokai
in the scoen thenic budoki sais that roshi sood be weeksa than thenshinhan due to andei that he woood lose adn tenshin an was alsow holding back. In batel of gods you forgot wihs in the end of the moove whis one shot berus. Where is zeno sam and his gardian the goods of destion
Goku has not 12:10 been training we literally see in the first episode that he working he only train when he got the money
I’ve only watched the anime with (lots of) copium hoping it’ll eventually continue. That said I do know thru lots of spoilers that ultra ego exists. I know the theory behind UI in moving without thinking, what’s the theory of UE? Without being too much of a spoiler
I've only seen the manga stuff from justin dens videos but idk how to tell you without spoiling it
Did bro say ssj goku is stronger then ssj gohan from the cell saga😂😂
- I dont think Roshi was stronger than Tenshinhan or Goku in the 22nd tournament
- In the King Piccolo saga Drum is stronger than Tien, since he beats Tien.
- Kaioken is not a form
- Ssj 1 Teen gohan in the Cell saga was probably stronger than Goku
- When we get to dbs why not even mention the angels or zeno?
- What about the dbs manga?
This video is great tho
-When Roshi forfeits the match in the 22nd tournament Tien says Roshi was holding back
- Tbh I completely forgot about Drum 😂
- Ik i said kaioken technique
- Ssj Gohan is probably stronger than goku but Gohan never really took the fight seriously in that form so I dont think we got to see his full extent of his power
- The list would be full of gods and angels so theres no point
@@KeyReviewsOfficialWhat makes you think Tien wasnt holding back against Roshi
@@Flipitmixit Heres the scene I'm referring to if you want to take a look - hianime.to/watch/dragon-ball-509?ep=10311 starting @21:40 you can decide for yourself but to me I think Roshi was stronger. As for not including the manga content I honestly had it in the script but i removed it because the way I seen the manga material was from Justin Dens videos so I wasn't completely sure about those rankings. Thank you tho!
no moro or granolah??
this was made by ai right?
No lol I wrote the script. The only thing I use Ai for is after I finish the script, I go back and let it improve the flow and some punctuation mistakes
This guy really doeent know his dragonaball. No one knows who jackie chun is
I think that in first saga of dragon ball super the most powerfull is whis
Yes, but I'm not counting angels
It’s super buu!!!!!!
Wait, master roshi was Jackie chan?
Yes, haha. You didn't watch Dragon Ball?
He was jokin,its a joke in the db fandom that jackie chun and roshi are different @KeyReviewsOfficial
@swordanimates7190 OHH 😭 ik about the joke, but I guess it didn't register to me this time until now