Thanks for this video! I appreciate the time and effort you invest in your videos. On more than one occasion your info was just what I needed to improve my game. I have watched many videos by many others and for me at least, few if any have resulted in timely results. I'm sure mostly my fault! The videos that provide information that Impact my game quickly and in a positive fashion are pool gold. There is such a thing as fools gold. There are also fools that wouldn't know gold if it fell in their lap. Maybe gold is in the eye of the beholder. Thanks again and I hope you continue sharing!
Ya I tried it too and although you can draw like this it is extremely uncomfortable and you loose a lot of accuracy. I agree with you hold loosely and make sure your stick is level and stay down and follow through with your stroke.
Watching you for the first time I think you were very thorough and I enjoyed that you repeated the instructions thank you very much I bought a 6ft pool table and I'll be practicing.
Very interesting video, please keep sharing. ignore the haters, they must know how easy it is to teach, comment and shoot all at the same time. Though no 2 pool players hold (grip) or stroke the cue in the same manner, the idea in what you are saying ring true. I have tried your concept a few times with my own playing style and it seems to work well. And, to make it clear, I have a very strong stroke already; I am always looking for new things to adjust my game. Again, thanks for sharing, keep up the good work and ignore those who only live to dissect every flaw they see to make themselves feel better.
ive discovered one thing.. that to play really well in pool it just needs a perfect fundamental.. a perfect shape of pendulum swing and the straight wrist too.. this video is informative, i appreciate whoever shares all kind of information about pool. but if i can give my own opinion, i think we dont have to always use this grip. the reason is that its too risky letting your wrist unstable when ur on back swing. if i can give useful tips, we just need to concenterate on flexor carpi radialis (its a muscle located on our forearm) we can concentrate on it while proceed a back swing and also a follow trough. for follow trough we can add a little wrist movement. Try this its helpful and i think this muscle and movement is what most of fancy players particularly like SVB, John Morra and the Hottest pool player in the world at the moment, Jason Shaw use when they play. maybe you can try it yourself pool master and see if its effective or no. :) :)
I think you are on to something mate..I tried this because my stroke isn't perfect and when I hit it harder I tend to come across the cue ball. So when I tried your grip I have now hit more draw shots successfully thanks bro!!
Develop a good stroke and follow through. Hit the cue as low as possible and drive through it. That will get anyone a nice consistent stroke in the end
Biomechanics and the way one's wrist joint bends likely plays a major part in how easily or difficulty it is for an individual to draw or follow a cue ball. Just a thought...
Nice to see somebody actually out there teaching the correct way to hold the cue stick , if you go to banking with the beard Freddy the beard talked about this quite a while back but not too many people picked up on it.
Good explanation. I still find it difficult to draw, but now I think I realize my mistake. I wasn't getting the correct grip and wasn't moving slightly the cue upwards! I just need more practice! Thanks again!
take all four fingers..pick the cue up..there should be no gap at the top of the forefinger and thumb...the first two fingers carry the cue back through the elbow...opening the last two fingers into the position he describes...then pause and accelerate from the back two fingers through the elbow to maintain a level and straight follow through..all the while while maintaining contact with the first two fingers..as the hand reaches perpendicular (or where your elbow is at its highest point) the first two fingers if performed correctly should have about half the pressure that the back two fingers have upon completion of the follow through..to check to see if you have cued straight and through the cue ball stay down to see if the forearm has followed through under the elbow...if the elbow is still in its same line you have cued correctly..if not..then it is up to you individually to tweak your hand and fingers to get the elbow result..it aint rocket science guys
Let the cue rest in the index and thumb . It should just hang there really. It really frees up the stroke altogether and you should feel no tension at all. Shooting becomes wayyy easier with this method in my opinion.
Without even watching all of the video I see why he is saying and thinking this. The different grips allow more follow through with a similar stroke. I've played this game a very long time and have taught countless players how to get big draw or backward spin. Focus on how far you reach the tip of the cue past the position of the contact point and the bottom spin will come. Think 'stoke it and don't poke it'.. reach through the shot and straighten your shooting arm more than other shots you've used in the past.
Thanks for the info that u have shared. It has improved my game over night. An just as u have shared ur time and love for the game. So shall I. Thanks again.
Draw really isn't hard, trickier when there's more distance between object and cue ball but it's all about a nice stroke. No secrets, if you got good fundamentals. A good solid stance, smooth cue action, good cue follow through. It's no secret, just practise and experience. Coming from a snooker background, I can't say how much this is weird to me haha maybe because I've developed my own ways for spin and don't realise it but that natural to me. I would never change my grip like this. Too much change for my cue action whilst I'm trying to keep it smooth every time.
The grip seems to matter more to some people than others, however I suspect that by changing the grip people also change the delivery of the cue due to different tension in their arm. I say this because I was originally taught to make a firm sort of grip when making a screw shot, but have learned (after 50 years) that I can screw equally well with a very light touch, allowing the cue to do all the work (in all but power shots of course). I watched your vid 3 times concentrating your hand positions and elbow drop, I believe you are dropping your elbow more when you use the thumb web grip than the heel grip. If true then that raises the tip such that you would be striking the cue ball higher, not as low as you intend. May I request that you use a numbered ball to cue on so that you can check the strike point after the shot, to confirm equal cuing accuracy? But hey, whatever works best is best!
GDA Sailor They tend to deliver it on the wrong line sometimes with a poor grip in my opinion .I was struggling with my game for about 2 months. Finally fixed it one night after finally clearing off my pool table and grinding it out. Turns out my grip wasn’t good. Everything just fell back into place after I fixed my grip.
Oh how I love watching all these nameless players -- this one presumably from Scandinavia since he owns a German Dynamic III table and has an accent -- with their magic bullets from CTE aiming to "palm-heavy" grips that will cure all your pool ills. It's like the confidence man in the wild west selling cure-alls and magic potions out of his rickety, old wagon. The major difference is the confidence man's patter was more studied to catch all the rubes, and also more entertaining for those in the know. Through the real magic of slow motion, even a casual observer can discover Rotation Master's cue ball is not being hit low enough when his elbow drops, he's not shooting with a level cue, and there is a lack of sharpness or acceleration to the stroke -- that is, if you call that poke a stroke -- when he's trying to sell his wrong-grip vs. right-grip elixir. From what I've seen, a good force draw has a slightly dipping follow through and a good force follow has a slightly rising follow through, that is if you stroke instead of poke as others have pointed out. Also, here is Tom Simpson paraphrasing Luther "Wimpy" Lassiter on the grip for "big draw": "I loosen my grip, then when I'm stroking I loosen it again, and finally, I loosen again for the hit." Don't get me wrong, if this peculiar grip helps Rotation Master execute draw more effectively then more power to him, so to speak, I just don't believe nor do most viewers that the secret sauce he's selling will turn drawing dilettantes into stroke masters. Here is some genuinely valuable instruction from Barry Stark, master snooker coach: Cue Action - The hand that delivers it: th-cam.com/video/xMAdMr_5_BQ/w-d-xo.html The Grip, Part 1: th-cam.com/video/ZKOy9gWj0nk/w-d-xo.html The Grip, Part 2: th-cam.com/video/5EN9UgH7d5U/w-d-xo.html The Grip, Part 3 - The important element: th-cam.com/video/HuaNdCU64R4/w-d-xo.html The Grip, Part 4 - Playing the shot: th-cam.com/video/LlLZMClojds/w-d-xo.html
Whole text you wrote doesnt make sense or contradicts eachother. Unlike the cte or pro one guys he isnt selling you anything. He just gave it for free. Then you quote luther lassiter. Have you seen his stance and where he grips his cue?! That is not how you teach someone new nowadays. And lastly you post a bunch of how to grip videos for snooker!? Its simply insulting for the maker of this video and the stupidity from you of not knowing that there is a difference in a pool grip and a snooker grip.
i will always trust advise from a guy who plays with a dufferin in a spiderman costume . j/k i love your videos and yes you do remind me of some sinister villian in a batman movie in a good way .
at 6 min part im doing the scoop the q ball and been having trouble lately on draw shots , not sure what im doing wrong , reason why im back to these video and then go practice before my club league 5/518
It's really different from man to man but if you know where and how to hit the ball, you can make it do whatever you want with 1 finger on the que and with your eyes closed..
I realise it's an old Post but I agree with you ..... Physics is not the same for everyone . And just cause this guy looks like an evil villian from a Batman movie does not mean he cannot draw the ball well under pressure or put. A 10 pack on someone
People, please learn from people watched on championships etc. Find best players from the world and study their techniques by practice every day... after very short time you will be more magic than our RotationMaster :D
You are not shooting with the same speed when comparing the grips (for instance see 12:40, just the sound of balls collidings is much louder with correct grip). I don't think the grip makes any difference. Follow through, acceleration timing matters much more.
With the wrong grip I can also get 1 1/2 table draw. But with the right grip I get more than 2 table draw. You can see in this video: th-cam.com/video/iMCsHqPMo8g/w-d-xo.html
Rotation Master: "The cueball went a full table before contact. You need to count the entire distance the cueball travels with draw." So that would mean if I am shooting a full table length stop shot and the cue ball backs up 2" after contacting object ball that I just drew the cue ball over a full table length by accident??? That just does not sound right. According to your draw terminology a person cannot shoot a 1 foot draw shot any time there is over 1 foot separating the cue ball and object ball. I hope you see how your comment does not make sense.
Yes they are almost the same. A full length stop shot is not easy at all. For me, a full length stop shot is equally hard as drawing it back full length if the balls are close to each other.
you are hitting at like 6 degrees from level. your follow works because you don't have to worry about scooping. you can hit at 3,2,1 or maybe 0 degrees even if you work on it. your backfingers are seemingly better for draw because you tend to pound and hit at 6 degrees on the ball (which is bad for draw because of fear of scooping) on your forefingers, whereas your back fingers helped you relax at some point and got more level cue stick and now you are just used to it out of habit (habit is repetition with reward). almost all of pool is your stance. i suggest anyone that truly wants to play this game to lean on their leading leg. i've been under the misconception that it should be relatively even on both legs. but a lot of snooker players do it and some pool players as well (for one, efren does). what it means to lean on your leading leg is to reposition your balance to get the cue-ing hand closer to center of mass. it will relieve some stress. it will not work when reaching of course, but just keep in mind the balance. i'm a big promoter of concepts, not heuristics and 'tricks'. every body is different, so it will not look exactly the same from person to person, but i'm pretty sure it will help. i'm going to look like a nut job if i start rambling on one youtube comment about how i think people should play.. dont keep the back leg straight if it's uncomfortable. for me, my back foot is shooting towards the right, but my knee is relaxed, not locked. weight should be on the left leg (righty) imho. locking the back leg probably adds stability (snooker players do), but i dont like how that feels and i dont think it's necessary.
For 0 degrees the butt of the cue would nearly be resting on the cloth, you can't wrap your fingers around it and you can't even have the shaft on your bridge hand. And in most shots the rail is in the way too (especially when using a rail bridge that prevents you from going below 10 degrees). Even if the cuestick it at a 0 degree angle, the cuetip will still get pushed down after impact with the cueball. This is why you need to press down on the butt of the cuestick to prevent that. It has nothing to do with getting used to a certain grip. I have tried all loose grips and none of them give more draw than the heel grip. If the object ball is on the other side of the table, it's actually easier to draw the cueball back if you elevate the cuestick and make a jump shot. This is because the cueball is airborne and doesn't slow down from friction. When I used the wrong grip 20 years ago (loose snap grip), I was able to draw the cueball further when elevating the cuestick than when keeping it level. So the elevation of the cuestick plays a small part in how far you can draw the cueball. But there is still a sweet spot depending on the shot. The perfect angle on the cuestick depends on how far the object ball is. The snooker stance is more stable but is not good for aiming. Shifting more weight to your front leg reduces stability but improves aiming. You can see it in this video: th-cam.com/video/YlPQoqlJPVE/w-d-xo.html
ok probably 2 degrees is possible, but just eye-ing it, you are way too high compared to a lot of pros so... your video is all heuristic. yes it is systematic, but any system can be honed to consistency with effort. you have the cte, shane's weird shaft aiming, countless other ways to aim with all sorts of geometry, all sorts of stances that players use. there is no way for me to explain how i have been a curious student and rejected one after the other when i couldn't find solid proof or logic behind it. when you are standing, you keep the center of weight under you, between your feet. when you are running, you keep the center of weight probably at the base of your neck when you look down. when you balance on one leg, the center of mass is on that leg. when you play pool, you want your cue to be on the center of mass, or you will forever be working against gravity somehow. more specifically, you want the center of the cue to never pass your center of mass (when you back swing, the center of the cue will move backwards and forwards, keep it forwards to account for the back swing. this is a natural feeling actually, hold the cue on the center point and swing, you will understand why). your cue-ing arm is off, you are instinctively stretching it outwards to compensate for your center of mass (i've been there before). lean on your left leg, flex your left oblique to counteract some more weight and hold your cue. your arms will tell you where it wants to go. i don't believe in heuristics, it's not scientific, it's not logical, and it's not transferable from person to person. what if the person has long legs? long arms? heavy upper body? weak shoulders? my balance idea doesn't discriminate. i have no shoulders, no chest. sure chest will help improve my break, i can admit that. shoulders i dont need and waste of energy because i understand it's about balance. your cue only goes forwards and backwards, your shoulders shouldnt be activated.
stability is about balance, you did not incorporate your upper body in your balance. snapping is old school, i don't it's right (too jarring) and people now look like they are snapping, but on contact it is not flexed all the way, they just finish their stroke that way. sure aiming downward will produce more draw, but you are not going to do that for every shot. your argument for cue grip does not hold. even if i assume you have something special in your video, you are not explaining it. if there is a difference between the grips, you are saying the back fingers can do something the front cant and vice versa. i don't think that makes sense to anyone, that is like saying your dominant hand is weaker than your non-dominant, unless your ambidextrous. as far as i can tell, my index and middle finger combined with my opposable thumb should beat a ring and pinky finger with a palm.
This is because I use a shorter bridge than most pros. Look at Buddy Hall and Mike Sigel, they both have short bridges and the same elevation as me. Shorter bridge = more elevation of cue on draw shots.
It's not about the fingers, it's about pressing down on the cue to prevent it from lifting up. I would give the same advice to an animal with paws. There's a reason why heavier cues give more draw on the cueball, because the butt of the cue is not as easily lifted up during contact. Try it with only the shaft and see how much draw you get. My advice works best with lightweight cues. Pros who use heavy cues (21 oz) you usually see them with loose grips, like Efren and Bustamante. When I used a 22.2 oz cue I preferred the loose grip. But with standard weights (around 19oz) you need to press down on the cue to get more draw on the cueball.
I’m not gonna pile on here I feel that your videos are helpful for some people and that makes what your doing worth it cause if it makes one person a better player you did your job. That being said every person has there preference for grip to achieve maximum performance. I fully believe you should not have to change your grip based on the type of shot you are taking consistency is the key to success in any aspect of life in my opinion
I'm replying too your comment years after so forgive but I think people are still seeing the video so I wanted to reply to what you said. I agree with you that if you have a good stroke you shouldn't need to switch the grip between shots for almost all shots. I think what is helpful to some people in this technique is it eliminates the error that comes from tightening up for a powerful shot or one that causes a little tension. He's basically eliminating that factor that a lot of people have trouble with. I personally wouldn't go to a solution like this because I know I can eliminate those errors with practice and it's more practical to use one stroke than having different ones for various shots. I tried this method to eliminate tightening of my grip due to speed and tension but I can't get near the cue ball action I get with my regular loose stroke. Although I never miscue with this grip it severely limits my feel and follow through. It's more of a quick short stab than nice smooth acceleration in my humble opinion. It reminds me of a Carlo Biado stroke almost. Anyways sorry for taking your time I just felt what you said was worth others hearing.
U might b correct that most ppl don't realize that they change finders to hold d cue for follow, stop n draw shots... But I soon found out that it's all because of the balance of d cue, well at least for me... Hold nearer to d butt end will make ur cue slightly tip heavy hence when follow thru, the tip naturally will wanna point lower... Am I correct??? Just sharing...
Thanks for sharing your ideas. I have tried this in the past by holding the cue too far back with a loose grip, I played like this for many years but I couldn't get much draw on the cueball. When I moved the grip hand forwards and used heel of the hand touching the cue I could suddenly get a lot of draw on the cueball.
I'm sorry I'm not one to just post up a bunch of negative comments, But I've played pool for better then 30 yrs and play at a little better then the average Joe and I would not recamend this to anyone who's trying to tighten up there game are if your just looking for good info on the game I'd say look elsewhere.
It's easy to jump in and criticise this BUT.. At first seems strange but if you think about it practically there is logic to it as it may work for some people
Ty I always had problems with follow nown know why lol ty bro I try that tonight my grip good for draw but I get less follow I can't get more than 2 cushions now I know why lol
i don't see a difference lol bad technique. its best to have an unchanging grip and stroke style throughout each pot, unless you're a pro who uses slip and jab techniques. the best thing you can do for your grip and stroke is consistency until you improve to the point of producing your own unique style. for example pros who turn wrist in by instinct on english shots. its like children learning how to write. its all cookie cutter letters at first but as you write more and more you find what works most efficiently for you. this technique is a personal preference if any and a bad one.
i guess ive given a comment previously. but this time i just wanna say that the theory is logic regardless. i see that if we want to make a good draw shoot it has to be executed with some kind of a perfect stroke. and a perfect stroke starts with a grip too. but what i wanna ask is that by how is exactly our wrist position when on backswing? should i move my wrist little or keep it stay still until it hits the cue. and is there another muscle probably used when we want to perform this grip? because theres many theories i have learned. like that pause which requires us to focus on the tricep and bicep for back and forth. sorry for asking many details but i need this. i guess i ve been kind of frustrated seeking for the most proper stroke. but i like the theory of pressing the cue with our heel for this grip. i think its logic and the cue will always level if we press the cue by our heel. but im curious that does it still need tricep and bicep concentration or we’ll just have to focus on the heel when it hits the cue ball. please respond my comment Mr Rotation Master! :)
You need to focus on the heel when you hit the cueball. In the backswing you don't need to have the heel touching, especially not when you need to shoot hard and make a long backswing. You can see that in this new video: th-cam.com/video/PHd-Ws3pcoM/w-d-xo.html
I don't think that I can get more than a couple hundred guys to play you. IF your secret beats any of them, you'll win a lot of cash. I can guarantee that
are you familiar with V grip , rotation master? it’s one of type of grips that champions use. i’m talking about The Rocket O’Sullivan’s grip, Johnny Archer’s, Ronnie Alcano’s, Rodney Morris’s and other champions. and i’m particularly using this grip too. do you have a clue of how to combine this “secret grip” you’ve discovered with a v grip? because i think a V grip is much useful. but i’m just asking and see if perhaps you have the right answer.
The V grip is similar to the heel grip for draw. It's hard to see how much the heel touches of each player. Philipino pros don't have the heel touching at all, they just have a very loose grip (maybe because of the hot weather that makes the hand sweaty). I'm sure O'Sullivan has the heel touching which loosens the thumb and forefinger automatically, this gives a solid grip but also relaxed. Many snooker players from UK have similar heel grips. I found that this works better for long shots.
Many pool players do this subconsciously without knowing why it works, if you look for it in pool halls and watch many pros you start to notice it. Thanks for letting me know about Freddy the Beard, I found his video here: th-cam.com/video/uvjL3D3lsGY/w-d-xo.htmlm33s
Use a jump cue and avoid heavy low deflection shafts. I could never jump a ball when I used a thin whippy shaft, but with a stiff break cue I was able to jump a full ball when I used a snapping motion of my wrist, and from the power of the break cue I was able to draw back a full table length too. This is why there exists "Break and jump" cues. Because these stiff cues work well for jumping too, and when you screw off the end piece, the cue becomes lighter, which makes jumping easier. What you want for jumping is a stiff, short and light cue with a large tip. Previously I used an OB Lift Pro jump cue that came in 3 pieces, so I could select which length to use. This was useful for position play. But I sold this jump cue so I could focus on improving my kicking.
The normal grip would be for center ball where you have an even amount of pressure around the entire hand, but I never use center ball. I recommend to use half a tip of outside spin instead of center ball, this makes it 10 times easier to make the shot. In my newest videos you will see this where I show a graphic with the tip position I use.
Lol is it more spin or your just shooting harder on the "correct grip" cause I can hear the difference when you shoot the right grip or wrong grip. Wrong grip is quiter cause your shooting lighter.
so many basic mistakes, sorry man, but this is sooo misleading i wouln't advise anyone in general to try anything before actually understing the why's and how's. something that has obviously hasn't been done here. sorry rotation master. you have motivation but no more than that from what seen here. keep the spirit. but not those fundamentals.. ;)
Yes, this has happened to me often. All you can do is to play your best and not worry about the outcome. Then you will always be satisfied and not disappointed. It's also important to never give up if the match starts badly. Look at Ralf Souquet, he is very good at this: th-cam.com/video/Iew21KxcOLc/w-d-xo.htmlm33s In the beginning he played horrible but he could turn it around, very impressive.
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Thanks for this video! I appreciate the time and effort you invest in your videos. On more than one occasion your info was just what I needed to improve my game. I have watched many videos by many others and for me at least, few if any have resulted in timely results. I'm sure mostly my fault! The videos that provide information that Impact my game quickly and in a positive fashion are pool gold.
There is such a thing as fools gold. There are also fools that wouldn't know gold if it fell in their lap. Maybe gold is in the eye of the beholder. Thanks again and I hope you continue sharing!
Tried it and I jumped the cue ball. What works for me is gripping the cue loosely, accelerate quickly, follow through and staying down works for me
Ya I tried it too and although you can draw like this it is extremely uncomfortable and you loose a lot of accuracy. I agree with you hold loosely and make sure your stick is level and stay down and follow through with your stroke.
Watching you for the first time I think you were very thorough and I enjoyed that you repeated the instructions thank you very much I bought a 6ft pool table and I'll be practicing.
Very interesting video, please keep sharing. ignore the haters, they must know how easy it is to teach, comment and shoot all at the same time. Though no 2 pool players hold (grip) or stroke the cue in the same manner, the idea in what you are saying ring true. I have tried your concept a few times with my own playing style and it seems to work well. And, to make it clear, I have a very strong stroke already; I am always looking for new things to adjust my game. Again, thanks for sharing, keep up the good work and ignore those who only live to dissect every flaw they see to make themselves feel better.
Yur right wutever works difrent strokes 4 difrent folks
Very good sir! Thank you. Been playing pool for many years now but never knew these techniques.
ive discovered one thing.. that to play really well in pool it just needs a perfect fundamental.. a perfect shape of pendulum swing and the straight wrist too.. this video is informative, i appreciate whoever shares all kind of information about pool. but if i can give my own opinion, i think we dont have to always use this grip. the reason is that its too risky letting your wrist unstable when ur on back swing. if i can give useful tips, we just need to concenterate on flexor carpi radialis (its a muscle located on our forearm) we can concentrate on it while proceed a back swing and also a follow trough. for follow trough we can add a little wrist movement. Try this its helpful and i think this muscle and movement is what most of fancy players particularly like SVB, John Morra and the Hottest pool player in the world at the moment, Jason Shaw use when they play. maybe you can try it yourself pool master and see if its effective or no. :) :)
I think you are on to something mate..I tried this because my stroke isn't perfect and when I hit it harder I tend to come across the cue ball. So when I tried your grip I have now hit more draw shots successfully thanks bro!!
Thank you! It works great and was extremely helpful. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge. Sincerely appreciated!!
Develop a good stroke and follow through. Hit the cue as low as possible and drive through it. That will get anyone a nice consistent stroke in the end
Thanks for sharing. Never thought of the two different grips. I need to practice these.
Very good teacher, thanks for the tips.
Victor Simmons 😂
Biomechanics and the way one's wrist joint bends likely plays a major part in how easily or difficulty it is for an individual to draw or follow a cue ball. Just a thought...
Stroke it don't poke it and don't listen to this lol.
Nice to see somebody actually out there teaching the correct way to hold the cue stick , if you go to banking with the beard Freddy the beard talked about this quite a while back but not too many people picked up on it.
Good explanation. I still find it difficult to draw, but now I think I realize my mistake. I wasn't getting the correct grip and wasn't moving slightly the cue upwards! I just need more practice!
Thanks again!
take all four fingers..pick the cue up..there should be no gap at the top of the forefinger and thumb...the first two fingers carry the cue back through the elbow...opening the last two fingers into the position he describes...then pause and accelerate from the back two fingers through the elbow to maintain a level and straight follow through..all the while while maintaining contact with the first two fingers..as the hand reaches perpendicular (or where your elbow is at its highest point) the first two fingers if performed correctly should have about half the pressure that the back two fingers have upon completion of the follow through..to check to see if you have cued straight and through the cue ball stay down to see if the forearm has followed through under the elbow...if the elbow is still in its same line you have cued correctly..if not..then it is up to you individually to tweak your hand and fingers to get the elbow result..it aint rocket science guys
can you explain it more clearly?i guess this is right haha
Let the cue rest in the index and thumb . It should just hang there really. It really frees up the stroke altogether and you should feel no tension at all. Shooting becomes wayyy easier with this method in my opinion.
Without even watching all of the video I see why he is saying and thinking this. The different grips allow more follow through with a similar stroke. I've played this game a very long time and have taught countless players how to get big draw or backward spin. Focus on how far you reach the tip of the cue past the position of the contact point and the bottom spin will come. Think 'stoke it and don't poke it'.. reach through the shot and straighten your shooting arm more than other shots you've used in the past.
Thanks
A very good video. Very informative. Thank you.
Thanks for the info that u have shared. It has improved my game over night.
An just as u have shared ur time and love for the game.
So shall I.
Thanks again.
A good lesson. Thank you sir.
Draw really isn't hard, trickier when there's more distance between object and cue ball but it's all about a nice stroke. No secrets, if you got good fundamentals. A good solid stance, smooth cue action, good cue follow through. It's no secret, just practise and experience. Coming from a snooker background, I can't say how much this is weird to me haha maybe because I've developed my own ways for spin and don't realise it but that natural to me. I would never change my grip like this. Too much change for my cue action whilst I'm trying to keep it smooth every time.
The secret is NOT TO DESCELERATE during the stroke.
Same as in a golf stroke b.t.w. ;-)
topneorej Very True .... and cue weight plays a very minor role in drawing the CB.
One uses different grips in tennis, so why not pool? Good point.
Oh and thank you very much for sharing ignore haters just keep doing these very informative videos. :)
This made my follow through with side spin much much easier and a beauty to watch close but not that close to my idol Efren Reyes:)
After A year later back to see these videos,still the best!
Thank you Master
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The grip seems to matter more to some people than others, however I suspect that by changing the grip people also change the delivery of the cue due to different tension in their arm. I say this because I was originally taught to make a firm sort of grip when making a screw shot, but have learned (after 50 years) that I can screw equally well with a very light touch, allowing the cue to do all the work (in all but power shots of course).
I watched your vid 3 times concentrating your hand positions and elbow drop, I believe you are dropping your elbow more when you use the thumb web grip than the heel grip. If true then that raises the tip such that you would be striking the cue ball higher, not as low as you intend. May I request that you use a numbered ball to cue on so that you can check the strike point after the shot, to confirm equal cuing accuracy?
But hey, whatever works best is best!
GDA Sailor They tend to deliver it on the wrong line sometimes with a poor grip in my opinion .I was struggling with my game for about 2 months. Finally fixed it one night after finally clearing off my pool table and grinding it out. Turns out my grip wasn’t good. Everything just fell back into place after I fixed my grip.
Timing,pause ,followtrough and squeeze during the contact...also the distance from the tip and the bridge hand
Oh how I love watching all these nameless players -- this one presumably from Scandinavia since he owns a German Dynamic III table and has an accent -- with their magic bullets from CTE aiming to "palm-heavy" grips that will cure all your pool ills. It's like the confidence man in the wild west selling cure-alls and magic potions out of his rickety, old wagon. The major difference is the confidence man's patter was more studied to catch all the rubes, and also more entertaining for those in the know.
Through the real magic of slow motion, even a casual observer can discover Rotation Master's cue ball is not being hit low enough when his elbow drops, he's not shooting with a level cue, and there is a lack of sharpness or acceleration to the stroke -- that is, if you call that poke a stroke -- when he's trying to sell his wrong-grip vs. right-grip elixir.
From what I've seen, a good force draw has a slightly dipping follow through and a good force follow has a slightly rising follow through, that is if you stroke instead of poke as others have pointed out. Also, here is Tom Simpson paraphrasing Luther "Wimpy" Lassiter on the grip for "big draw": "I loosen my grip, then when I'm stroking I loosen it again, and finally, I loosen again for the hit."
Don't get me wrong, if this peculiar grip helps Rotation Master execute draw more effectively then more power to him, so to speak, I just don't believe nor do most viewers that the secret sauce he's selling will turn drawing dilettantes into stroke masters.
Here is some genuinely valuable instruction from Barry Stark, master snooker coach:
Cue Action - The hand that delivers it: th-cam.com/video/xMAdMr_5_BQ/w-d-xo.html
The Grip, Part 1: th-cam.com/video/ZKOy9gWj0nk/w-d-xo.html
The Grip, Part 2: th-cam.com/video/5EN9UgH7d5U/w-d-xo.html
The Grip, Part 3 - The important element: th-cam.com/video/HuaNdCU64R4/w-d-xo.html
The Grip, Part 4 - Playing the shot: th-cam.com/video/LlLZMClojds/w-d-xo.html
Whole text you wrote doesnt make sense or contradicts eachother.
Unlike the cte or pro one guys he isnt selling you anything. He just gave it for free.
Then you quote luther lassiter. Have you seen his stance and where he grips his cue?! That is not how you teach someone new nowadays.
And lastly you post a bunch of how to grip videos for snooker!?
Its simply insulting for the maker of this video and the stupidity from you of not knowing that there is a difference in a pool grip and a snooker grip.
@@hihelloh It always makes my day when I'm insulted by the Inarticulate and aggressively literal-minded.
From essay to less say xD
Thanks for teaching us
thank you a lot! this really work for me though i played snooker for 30+ yrs!
i will always trust advise from a guy who plays with a dufferin in a spiderman costume . j/k i love your videos and yes you do remind me of some sinister villian in a batman movie in a good way .
great info
at 6 min part im doing the scoop the q ball and been having trouble lately on draw shots , not sure what im doing wrong , reason why im back to these video and then go practice before my club league 5/518
It's really different from man to man but if you know where and how to hit the ball, you can make it do whatever you want with 1 finger on the que and with your eyes closed..
ucnhtmenow1 Your cue floats ?!? Holy shit...
I realise it's an old Post but I agree with you ..... Physics is not the same for everyone . And just cause this guy looks like an evil villian from a Batman movie does not mean he cannot draw the ball well under pressure or put. A 10 pack on someone
People, please learn from people watched on championships etc. Find best players from the world and study their techniques by practice every day... after very short time you will be more magic than our RotationMaster :D
You are not shooting with the same speed when comparing the grips (for instance see 12:40, just the sound of balls collidings is much louder with correct grip). I don't think the grip makes any difference. Follow through, acceleration timing matters much more.
Sorry, but different strokes for different folks, I can get 1 1/2 table draw with his "wrong grip". It's all about technique and follow through.
With the wrong grip I can also get 1 1/2 table draw. But with the right grip I get more than 2 table draw. You can see in this video: th-cam.com/video/iMCsHqPMo8g/w-d-xo.html
Rotation Master sorry, I only see the cue ball coming back 1 1/2 tables after contact in that video.
Yoda Man The cueball went a full table before contact. You need to count the entire distance the cueball travels with draw.
Rotation Master:
"The cueball went a full table before contact. You need to count the entire distance the cueball travels with draw."
So that would mean if I am shooting a full table length stop shot and the cue ball backs up 2" after contacting object ball that I just drew the cue ball over a full table length by accident??? That just does not sound right. According to your draw terminology a person cannot shoot a 1 foot draw shot any time there is over 1 foot separating the cue ball and object ball.
I hope you see how your comment does not make sense.
Yes they are almost the same. A full length stop shot is not easy at all. For me, a full length stop shot is equally hard as drawing it back full length if the balls are close to each other.
you are hitting at like 6 degrees from level. your follow works because you don't have to worry about scooping. you can hit at 3,2,1 or maybe 0 degrees even if you work on it. your backfingers are seemingly better for draw because you tend to pound and hit at 6 degrees on the ball (which is bad for draw because of fear of scooping) on your forefingers, whereas your back fingers helped you relax at some point and got more level cue stick and now you are just used to it out of habit (habit is repetition with reward).
almost all of pool is your stance. i suggest anyone that truly wants to play this game to lean on their leading leg. i've been under the misconception that it should be relatively even on both legs. but a lot of snooker players do it and some pool players as well (for one, efren does). what it means to lean on your leading leg is to reposition your balance to get the cue-ing hand closer to center of mass. it will relieve some stress. it will not work when reaching of course, but just keep in mind the balance. i'm a big promoter of concepts, not heuristics and 'tricks'. every body is different, so it will not look exactly the same from person to person, but i'm pretty sure it will help.
i'm going to look like a nut job if i start rambling on one youtube comment about how i think people should play.. dont keep the back leg straight if it's uncomfortable. for me, my back foot is shooting towards the right, but my knee is relaxed, not locked. weight should be on the left leg (righty) imho. locking the back leg probably adds stability (snooker players do), but i dont like how that feels and i dont think it's necessary.
For 0 degrees the butt of the cue would nearly be resting on the cloth, you can't wrap your fingers around it and you can't even have the shaft on your bridge hand. And in most shots the rail is in the way too (especially when using a rail bridge that prevents you from going below 10 degrees). Even if the cuestick it at a 0 degree angle, the cuetip will still get pushed down after impact with the cueball. This is why you need to press down on the butt of the cuestick to prevent that. It has nothing to do with getting used to a certain grip. I have tried all loose grips and none of them give more draw than the heel grip.
If the object ball is on the other side of the table, it's actually easier to draw the cueball back if you elevate the cuestick and make a jump shot. This is because the cueball is airborne and doesn't slow down from friction. When I used the wrong grip 20 years ago (loose snap grip), I was able to draw the cueball further when elevating the cuestick than when keeping it level. So the elevation of the cuestick plays a small part in how far you can draw the cueball. But there is still a sweet spot depending on the shot. The perfect angle on the cuestick depends on how far the object ball is.
The snooker stance is more stable but is not good for aiming. Shifting more weight to your front leg reduces stability but improves aiming. You can see it in this video: th-cam.com/video/YlPQoqlJPVE/w-d-xo.html
ok probably 2 degrees is possible, but just eye-ing it, you are way too high compared to a lot of pros so...
your video is all heuristic. yes it is systematic, but any system can be honed to consistency with effort. you have the cte, shane's weird shaft aiming, countless other ways to aim with all sorts of geometry, all sorts of stances that players use.
there is no way for me to explain how i have been a curious student and rejected one after the other when i couldn't find solid proof or logic behind it. when you are standing, you keep the center of weight under you, between your feet. when you are running, you keep the center of weight probably at the base of your neck when you look down. when you balance on one leg, the center of mass is on that leg.
when you play pool, you want your cue to be on the center of mass, or you will forever be working against gravity somehow. more specifically, you want the center of the cue to never pass your center of mass (when you back swing, the center of the cue will move backwards and forwards, keep it forwards to account for the back swing. this is a natural feeling actually, hold the cue on the center point and swing, you will understand why).
your cue-ing arm is off, you are instinctively stretching it outwards to compensate for your center of mass (i've been there before). lean on your left leg, flex your left oblique to counteract some more weight and hold your cue. your arms will tell you where it wants to go.
i don't believe in heuristics, it's not scientific, it's not logical, and it's not transferable from person to person. what if the person has long legs? long arms? heavy upper body? weak shoulders? my balance idea doesn't discriminate. i have no shoulders, no chest. sure chest will help improve my break, i can admit that. shoulders i dont need and waste of energy because i understand it's about balance. your cue only goes forwards and backwards, your shoulders shouldnt be activated.
stability is about balance, you did not incorporate your upper body in your balance. snapping is old school, i don't it's right (too jarring) and people now look like they are snapping, but on contact it is not flexed all the way, they just finish their stroke that way.
sure aiming downward will produce more draw, but you are not going to do that for every shot. your argument for cue grip does not hold. even if i assume you have something special in your video, you are not explaining it. if there is a difference between the grips, you are saying the back fingers can do something the front cant and vice versa. i don't think that makes sense to anyone, that is like saying your dominant hand is weaker than your non-dominant, unless your ambidextrous. as far as i can tell, my index and middle finger combined with my opposable thumb should beat a ring and pinky finger with a palm.
This is because I use a shorter bridge than most pros. Look at Buddy Hall and Mike Sigel, they both have short bridges and the same elevation as me. Shorter bridge = more elevation of cue on draw shots.
It's not about the fingers, it's about pressing down on the cue to prevent it from lifting up. I would give the same advice to an animal with paws. There's a reason why heavier cues give more draw on the cueball, because the butt of the cue is not as easily lifted up during contact. Try it with only the shaft and see how much draw you get. My advice works best with lightweight cues. Pros who use heavy cues (21 oz) you usually see them with loose grips, like Efren and Bustamante. When I used a 22.2 oz cue I preferred the loose grip. But with standard weights (around 19oz) you need to press down on the cue to get more draw on the cueball.
When I was younger I would imagine a yo yo. with my stroke and adjust my pull back for distance needed worked good then
thanks for the tips :)
Thank you
I’m not gonna pile on here I feel that your videos are helpful for some people and that makes what your doing worth it cause if it makes one person a better player you did your job. That being said every person has there preference for grip to achieve maximum performance. I fully believe you should not have to change your grip based on the type of shot you are taking consistency is the key to success in any aspect of life in my opinion
I'm replying too your comment years after so forgive but I think people are still seeing the video so I wanted to reply to what you said. I agree with you that if you have a good stroke you shouldn't need to switch the grip between shots for almost all shots. I think what is helpful to some people in this technique is it eliminates the error that comes from tightening up for a powerful shot or one that causes a little tension. He's basically eliminating that factor that a lot of people have trouble with. I personally wouldn't go to a solution like this because I know I can eliminate those errors with practice and it's more practical to use one stroke than having different ones for various shots. I tried this method to eliminate tightening of my grip due to speed and tension but I can't get near the cue ball action I get with my regular loose stroke. Although I never miscue with this grip it severely limits my feel and follow through. It's more of a quick short stab than nice smooth acceleration in my humble opinion. It reminds me of a Carlo Biado stroke almost. Anyways sorry for taking your time I just felt what you said was worth others hearing.
Y wouldn't you edit out the misque?
Good instruction video...I hope to be able to improve my grip
U might b correct that most ppl don't realize that they change finders to hold d cue for follow, stop n draw shots... But I soon found out that it's all because of the balance of d cue, well at least for me... Hold nearer to d butt end will make ur cue slightly tip heavy hence when follow thru, the tip naturally will wanna point lower... Am I correct??? Just sharing...
Thanks for sharing your ideas. I have tried this in the past by holding the cue too far back with a loose grip, I played like this for many years but I couldn't get much draw on the cueball. When I moved the grip hand forwards and used heel of the hand touching the cue I could suddenly get a lot of draw on the cueball.
That's why I use a balance Rite mid joint cue extention
seen this long time ago. personally i get good english on the cue ball. no matter what is needed
thanks a lot
I'm sorry I'm not one to just post up a bunch of negative comments, But I've played pool for better then 30 yrs and play at a little better then the average Joe and I would not recamend this to anyone who's trying to tighten up there game are if your just looking for good info on the game I'd say look elsewhere.
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It's easy to jump in and criticise this BUT.. At first seems strange but if you think about it practically there is logic to it as it may work for some people
wait ..can ya tell me one more time how do we do this>>?
Good video, you hardly ever get the inside baseball info!
Is this guy wearing a diving suit?
Nice Felt...
Probably from Finland...
Ty I always had problems with follow nown know why lol ty bro I try that tonight my grip good for draw but I get less follow I can't get more than 2 cushions now I know why lol
thnx
Who still plays on green cloth?
i don't see a difference lol bad technique. its best to have an unchanging grip and stroke style throughout each pot, unless you're a pro who uses slip and jab techniques. the best thing you can do for your grip and stroke is consistency until you improve to the point of producing your own unique style. for example pros who turn wrist in by instinct on english shots. its like children learning how to write. its all cookie cutter letters at first but as you write more and more you find what works most efficiently for you. this technique is a personal preference if any and a bad one.
nice
dude, the hell are you talking about..
he said grip w the back side of your hand not the front
i guess ive given a comment previously. but this time i just wanna say that the theory is logic regardless. i see that if we want to make a good draw shoot it has to be executed with some kind of a perfect stroke. and a perfect stroke starts with a grip too. but what i wanna ask is that by how is exactly our wrist position when on backswing? should i move my wrist little or keep it stay still until it hits the cue. and is there another muscle probably used when we want to perform this grip? because theres many theories i have learned. like that pause which requires us to focus on the tricep and bicep for back and forth. sorry for asking many details but i need this. i guess i ve been kind of frustrated seeking for the most proper stroke. but i like the theory of pressing the cue with our heel for this grip. i think its logic and the cue will always level if we press the cue by our heel. but im curious that does it still need tricep and bicep concentration or we’ll just have to focus on the heel when it hits the cue ball. please respond my comment Mr Rotation Master! :)
You need to focus on the heel when you hit the cueball. In the backswing you don't need to have the heel touching, especially not when you need to shoot hard and make a long backswing. You can see that in this new video: th-cam.com/video/PHd-Ws3pcoM/w-d-xo.html
what cue are you using and thanks for the video
Dufferin Q2 19oz house cue.
I can draw the length of the table and half way back using a different grip that you say is the power draw grip.
I can do that too, but the correct grip gives a little extra.
Very cool. Thank you.
Awesome troll channel. Hysterical!
Oh my God
I don't think that I can get more than a couple hundred guys to play you. IF your secret beats any of them, you'll win a lot of cash. I can guarantee that
are you familiar with V grip , rotation master? it’s one of type of grips that champions use. i’m talking about The Rocket O’Sullivan’s grip, Johnny Archer’s, Ronnie Alcano’s, Rodney Morris’s and other champions. and i’m particularly using this grip too. do you have a clue of how to combine this “secret grip” you’ve discovered with a v grip? because i think a V grip is much useful. but i’m just asking and see if perhaps you have the right answer.
The V grip is similar to the heel grip for draw. It's hard to see how much the heel touches of each player. Philipino pros don't have the heel touching at all, they just have a very loose grip (maybe because of the hot weather that makes the hand sweaty). I'm sure O'Sullivan has the heel touching which loosens the thumb and forefinger automatically, this gives a solid grip but also relaxed. Many snooker players from UK have similar heel grips. I found that this works better for long shots.
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good stuff though
What a load of cod's wallop!
Easy pity lemon squizy
so the theory is that performing heel grip when executing draw shots and long shots?
Yes, if those long shots don't have side spin or top spin.
This is the same thing Freddy the Beard teaches on his youtube videos. But does not go into the detail as shown here.
Many pool players do this subconsciously without knowing why it works, if you look for it in pool halls and watch many pros you start to notice it. Thanks for letting me know about Freddy the Beard, I found his video here: th-cam.com/video/uvjL3D3lsGY/w-d-xo.htmlm33s
What players? Do you mean pro players or just many players in general? If you mean pro players can you provide some names?
I have never heard this but it makes since. Any tips on learning how to jump a cue ball?
Use a jump cue and avoid heavy low deflection shafts. I could never jump a ball when I used a thin whippy shaft, but with a stiff break cue I was able to jump a full ball when I used a snapping motion of my wrist, and from the power of the break cue I was able to draw back a full table length too. This is why there exists "Break and jump" cues. Because these stiff cues work well for jumping too, and when you screw off the end piece, the cue becomes lighter, which makes jumping easier. What you want for jumping is a stiff, short and light cue with a large tip. Previously I used an OB Lift Pro jump cue that came in 3 pieces, so I could select which length to use. This was useful for position play. But I sold this jump cue so I could focus on improving my kicking.
Rotation Master thanks for the information much appreciated
Dude when u did u draw grip vs the time u hit hard with the pinch grip, the draw was just as equal and u realized.... could tell by your voice
Which shot was that? I watched it again and can't find it.
Damn German engineering lol
great info I do something similar for follow and draw shots
Borat is that you?
lmao
I didnt know BORAT play billiards. Awesome.
It’s sexy time yes??
what a hacker ...
5:45 to 5:49, FAIL. Easy draw shot and you failed because of the death grip.
This doesn’t make any sense at all. I always use a loose front grip all the time on all shots and that works for me. 😉
that suit has went to his head
Rotation Master what is your normal grip? cheers
The normal grip would be for center ball where you have an even amount of pressure around the entire hand, but I never use center ball. I recommend to use half a tip of outside spin instead of center ball, this makes it 10 times easier to make the shot. In my newest videos you will see this where I show a graphic with the tip position I use.
Has any one tried the laser stroke training aid?
And did it help your game?
Where can I find that play pool song?
th-cam.com/video/YHS7D_WacZg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=I9hrJRqls5V5UQIv
Thanks for you
Huh im confuse if u push down on the back of the cue stick then the front of the stick will lift
Yes, the front will lift which makes the tip stay longer on the cueball to get more draw. But first you need to aim lower on the cueball.
+Rotation Master cool thanks make sense
Camera to far away when explaining grip
Thanks ,But I am not interested on the wrong way to do it.
Lol is it more spin or your just shooting harder on the "correct grip" cause I can hear the difference when you shoot the right grip or wrong grip. Wrong grip is quiter cause your shooting lighter.
I shot them at different speeds only to illustrate what the differences will be. The real differences are much smaller.
Secret???
Yes, this has been my secret for the past 10 years that nobody knew about. I have more secrets coming in the future.
so many basic mistakes, sorry man, but this is sooo misleading i wouln't advise anyone in general to try anything before actually understing the why's and how's. something that has obviously hasn't been done here. sorry rotation master. you have motivation but no more than that from what seen here. keep the spirit. but not those fundamentals.. ;)
This is awful. Please pay no attention to this. I thought it was a joke half the time.
Do people in your league run out a lot? Or is it more luck off the break if they do well.
They run out often. In the last tournament I played I missed only twice and lost the match.
Rotation Master isn't it weird how sometimes u can win a tournment and not shoot good and sometimes u can play lights out and lose
Yes, this has happened to me often. All you can do is to play your best and not worry about the outcome. Then you will always be satisfied and not disappointed. It's also important to never give up if the match starts badly. Look at Ralf Souquet, he is very good at this: th-cam.com/video/Iew21KxcOLc/w-d-xo.htmlm33s In the beginning he played horrible but he could turn it around, very impressive.
This video is not serious, the author is just fishing for people to point out obvious things
I want study. ......?
Good advises, well shown, thanks! Tips similar to tips in the E. Stricland book. Show more :)
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Whaaaat?????