Porsche Cayman S 987.1: Why The Car You've Been Told to Avoid is Actually The Best of Them All
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2023
- CarVertical: The History Checking Service
Use this link or code "JAYEMM" for a discount!
www.carvertical.com/gb/landin...
Today on the channel, a look at the Porsche Cayman 987.1 - the first generation of Cayman and a car that did a lot right - but today is avoided like the plague because of some well publicised issues.
I'm here to say why I think it actually doesn't deserve the hate, and is in fact for me one of the greatest Porsches of all.
#Porsche #Cayman #Flatsix
Want to see your car on the channel? Email me on talk@jayemm.com
Not had enough? Check out JAYEMM & FRIENDS! My new channel
/ jayemmandfriends
**********OUR CHANNEL PARTNERS**********
Dodo Juice - Award Winning Detailing Products
Get 10% off Dodo Juice's British Made Detailing Products with code: JAYEMM10
Shop at www.dodojuice.net
RoadStr is the platform for connecting car enthusiasts where you can discover and post car events, join a car group, find and drive the best roads with built in route planner and navigation. Your Automotive lifestyle, all in one place
www.roadstr.io/
Charles & Dean - The Funding Specialists
www.charlesanddean.com/jayemm...
FIRE SAFETY STICK
The World's Lightest and Most Compact Fire Extinguisher
firesafetystick.com/
***********************************************************************************
Equipment Used:
Panasonic S1H Camera
amzn.to/3WXREcV
Panasonic S5
amzn.to/3R9C2BJ
Sennheiser AVX-ME2 Audio Kit
amzn.to/3kMUVOJ
Insta360 Action Cameras - GET A FREE ACCESSORY
www.insta360.com/sal/one_rs?i... - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
CarVertical: The History Checking Service
Use this link or code "JAYEMM" for a discount!
www.carvertical.com/gb/landing/v3?b=1e4c9523&a=JayEmm&voucher=jayemm&chan=jayemm
A lot of (mostly .2 owners) have fearmongered the dangers of the bore scoring issue in the 987.1's. It's actually really quite rare still, and they seem to have figured out the common cause: excessive idling of the engine while cold.
People that idle the car to warm it up are the ones who have the bore scoring issue later on. That is because when the engine is cold it's tolerances are different and idling to warm it up makes it warm up slower and spend more time and revolutions in a bad tolerance.
So when you drive it, get in, idle for a few seconds and then just drive...keep it below 3k rpm until it's mostly warm and you'll be fine. Oh and when it is warm, don't be afraid to beat the snot out of it...they like it.
It all boils down to an oiling issue. Porsche has insanely long oil change intervals (20k miles!) specified and that combined with cold starts, oil starvation problems and less oil flow than the .2, idling and the weak locasil coating causes the scoring to start. Treated properly you won't have an issue, but oil changes every 5k or 6 months to get all the abrasive metal partials out is key.
Appreciate the review though. The cars that either survive or have nikasik liner rebuilds will be a future classics. I plan to keep my 987 S for a long while. One of the last of the analog cars.
@@kevinhardy5895 The oil interval was changed from 20k to 12k, I had a 2005 Boxster S, traded for a 981 Spyder two years ago🎉❤
If you beat the snot out of it the bearings are likely to disintegrate causing the engine to seize.
@@BobK5 Uhh, no...that's not how it works.
If the oil is good and the oiling system works the bearings should never touch the crankshaft.
@@Dolby109 should never but they do
Owned one for nearly 4 years, the most perfect car I'd owned. I'm now in a Cayman R, one of the very few cars that I'd consider an upgrade over the 987.1 S, and even the R has compromises I didn't have in my old S. Miss it!
Cayman S black edition 2012, based on Cayman R
@@ej2863 People thought that based on the 330hp, but the Black didn't have the suspension, dynamic software, weight savings, rear bar etc.
The suspension/dynamic software was really the big difference in the R. The Black was really an S package to increase sales at the end of the life cycle.
@carverac I meant black edition nice for the street because wasn't same as R suspension but with more hp and great steering wheel.
@@ej2863 have a 987.2 Boxster S Black Edition, does feel quite special and completely flies under the radar - same power and lightweight wheels as the Spyder but with a proper roof
@@carverac OTOH, something like a Bilstein PSS9 kit can get you the handling chops and the power difference is just Porsche playing with the ECU program.
987.1 (2008) my first and only Porsche. Looks absolutely gorgeous in white and I would not change it for anything newer. Best car I have ever owned.
I am new to this brand. Is the 987 a reliable car?
@@nigelchung86 trust me its not i watch so many videos on this there is bore problem that's can be solved if you know good man to help you out on this good luck
@@Bhavsagar03 so with a fix on the 987.1 it can be prevent it ? I worry this is an issue that keeps coming back. Pretty tempted for a base cayman/ boxter
@@nigelchung86 yeah that's always comeback you can have it or you can go with 987.2 its more reliable its slightly High on price
@@Bhavsagar03 thanks then probably I will keep a look out for now
Watched this video the day it came out.
Tomorrow I am buying a 55 plate Cayman S in the same blue as the one you drove here. Cheers for convincing me Jay!
Please explain to a Yank: what does "55 plate" mean?
@@WJJ3rd in the mainland UK a registration plate usually denotes the year the car was made. For example,
AB05CDE is 2005 AB55CDE would be second half of 2005
2010’s is either AB15CDE or AB65CDE for second half etc
You get the idea
A number of you comment that “this car makes you feel good”. I believe this is what the 987.1 was built for (my opinion). And it doesn’t matter if it’s the Boxster, the Cayman, S or not, tiptronic or manual - they all make you feel good when you drive them. It’s not about the speed. It’s about the fun and the smile on your face. I drive a simple Boxster 2.7. When I get in it and drive it, I’m in my “happy place”. And when I get out of it and walk away, I still look back and admire it. She’s a mighty pretty car!
Thanks James for making such a statement on some of the most underated cars of the last decades! A 987.2 Boxster S was my very first Porsche and I love it! I still own it alongside a 718 Spyder, an Audi TTRS and even a McLaren 570S. If I had to sell all but keep just one, it would be the 987. It is small, nimble, and has a better pedal feel and sound than the Spyder. It is just so much more usable everyday on public roads than most sportscars today. With its hydraulic steering, perfect seats and pre OPF-exhaust it is an amazing driving experience. I put already 70k km on it and its still trouble free. I will never sell it.
Mine has 475,000 miles on the original engine... More below.
Im one of your friends and you don’t own any of those. You have a 1999 Boxer base and a 2001 BMW Z3.😂
For me, the 987.2 is the perfect balance between modern and analog. The cosmetic refresh though minor makes it more timeless I think. I own a 2011 Boxster and though I am old enough that I am thinking it may be time for a grand tourer like an F type, every time that I think of not owning it I stop looking at classifieds ;-)
Totally agree. My first Porsche was a 987.2 Cayman S and it was, I think it, perfect.
Unbelievable car and amazing value.
Yup love mine a 2008 cayman s. Great carv
Swapped from a V8 F-Type to a 2.9 987.2. Overall prefer the Porsche!
For looks I slightly prefer the 987.1 generation to the 987.2 due to the slightly smaller headlight cluster. I think it makes the front of the car more attractive, but there isn't much in it. That effect is more pronounced with the Boxster than the Cayman. OTOH, what I actually own is a 987.2 Boxster S, so.....
Get a look at my reply above, totally agree with you. The 987.2 is a great car.
I was driving my 987.2 CS behind a late 60s 911S on Sunday and I was blown away at how identical the engines sounded. I believe the 987 Caymans are a future classic and are reminiscent of the days of old when Porsches were small, analog and an outsized thrill for what you get on paper. For those shopping, a .1 and .2 will possibly cost you the same in the long run. Buy wise and buy a well specced car…there aren’t that many out there. You won’t be disappointed 😉 thank you Jay for once again sharing the 987 on your platform. I will take mine out tonight as a cheers 🍻
A finer thanks I could not have!
@@JayEmmOnCars promise made, promise kept 😁🥳 🏎️💨
It is a classic now according to Porsche.
I don't know what it is about this car. It was my first Porsche, I still own it after 6 years. Bought 4 others since, each generation. My newest is an amazing 718 boxster S. But when ever i take the 987 out for a drive it makes me feel good. Its not as fast as the 718 and is a lot older. But it feels just right, its just perfect. You never want to stop driving it.
I'm watching this video after watching my 986 Boxster S being taken away this morning, having owned it for just 57 days, having had engine failure - cracked cylinder head. I avoided one of these for that reason, then it happened anyway. Great cars to drive, and if you get lucky, you'll have a good time. If you're not lucky, you'll endure some pain! I wouldn't risk one of these personally.
Thank you for this video. I've owned the 987.1 S for about a year, and have always had a sense of insecurity and angst thinking of bore score and the like. But the way you describe it brings back some of the best driving memories I've ever experienced.
I was this close to selling it, but discovering the pccm system and all the memories I've made, this is truly going to be that modern classic I'm going to hold on to well into my 40's and 50's
James, this was my dream car for many years. Came very close to buying one. Then I started researching into Evoras, found your channel. Bought the Evora last year and never looked back. And with this review the circle closes 👌
The right choice.
You have shown that you are a man, or woman, or person of non specific gender, who can think for themselves... A Porsche always makes you look like a jerkoff to the non car people and the car people snigger behind your back if you've got anything short of a turbo.
But everyone loves a Lotus, it's scientifically proven that Lotus drivers have more friends, get let out at intersections and live longer stress free lives as a result. True facts
@@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 lol
@@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13OL, everyone stares at me and my 981 Spyder because they are thinking, ‘What the hell is that?’
@@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 I cannot tell if you're being dead serious or completely sarcastic
Couldn’t agree more! Well I might be a little bias 😂
You and me both ;)
I've got one of these now. Absolutely love it. Although I did have bore scoring with it. Lucky had the garage I bought it from pay for the work to rebuild it. Now that's it's sorted it's a fantastic car! Although one thing to note is James said in the video that heated seats are standard. There not unfortunately
I’ve recently bought a base 987.2 2.9. Should’ve bought one years ago. I was always hoping for a Cayman S but waited to find a decent example. Eventually found this one and it is now my daily. Absolutely love it. Would recommend one of these to anyone, just do your homework and be patient to find a decent example that you are happy with and you will never look back with disappointment. Thanks Jay and keep up the good work.
The 2.9 Boxster or Cayman is the pick of the lot in my view. More torque than the 2.7 found either in 987.1 or the 981. No IMS bearing to break, and you would have to be awfully rough with a cold engine to develop cylinder scratches. Bore scoring is almost exclusively confined to 3.4 litre cars in the 987 range.
Can bore scoring be avoided ?
I went for 987.2 for a driving experience without IMS or scoring anxiety, let’s just hope that the rumours of bore scoring on Gen 2 is unfounded. However the prospect of an engine upgrade Will be the the the cherry 🍒 on top but my Cayman is a keeper regardless.
Series 2 van unfortunately also can have it. All engines with forged pistons.
Bore scoring is supposedly less of a problem with the 2.9 engines in the 987.2 cars than the 3.4 engines. Both of these engines have monster oiling systems, but supposedly the direct injection on the 3.4 cars can wash the oil film off the bores. Wait, diesels have direct injection. Ah, but in a diesel engine, the fuel is actually oil, not a solvent like gasoline. Also, port injection allows the fuel mist to cool/clean the valves, an advantage that direct injection does not supply. I'm not an engine designer, this is just stuff I have read.
Bought a 987.1 boxster last year. Pure driving joy. On the road and on track, plus not too bad to run.
I bought one for my first Porsche. Lucky enough to find one with a “Flat 6 innovations” engine in it. 3.8 Nickasil barrels and no IMS bearing. With the ported head, GT3 Throttle body, etc, it’s very satisfying to drive.
I waited most of my life to buy a Porsche. I’m glad I did. 😊
(Way over priced in Australia. Mainly due our insane taxes)
Love my base 987. 2.7 litre is heaps of power on the road, and with the updated IMS and no bore scoring to have to worry about, i couldn't be happier.😊
Shush, or they’ll all want one ;)
Perfectly put James 👍 I'm in my third year of ownership of my Cobalt Blue 987.1, can't think of anything at all that I'd replace it with. Nothing! As for the ride, I can confirm that with the optional PASM and some nice squidgy sidewalled 17s, it rides beautifully. Accentuates the weight transfer as well making it a right hoot on track 😂
Not swapping for a 987.2 then?
Love that color.
Same as my journey, started looking at early caymans, then needed to spend more to get into dfi engine, that took me to 911 money and then had to go 997.2 😂 a morning on the internet and my budget nearly tripled.
Love the 997.2 though and I’m still not convinced that they suffer bore score like the .1 can.
Mark, I knew you would comment on this 😂.
@markcup70 I honestly think you live the squidgy sidewalled 17s more than the cayman itself.
I’m honestly sure you are right. I’m sticking with the factory fit 19” carrera sport and H&R/B8 setup on my old S
I can only speak from personal experience. I bought a low 32,000 mile example of a 987.1 a few years back from a pre owned Porsche specialist , full service history and it was imaculate . However after a few weeks of ownership I noticed it was burning a litre of oil for every 600 miles . To cut a long story short I had it independently bore scoped and it was severely bore scored on cylinders 4,5,6 .
I got my money back and decided I still wanted one but would have the engine checked prior to purchase . In total I looked at 3 others and they were all bore scored . I then decided to get the 987.2 and I’m so glad I did . I prefer the looks of the original and although the 987.2 is the DFI engine there is something special about the 987.1 . Hopefully the 987.2 aren’t as prone to the scoring issue , so far so good . Brilliant video as always James 👍
Same story here, cobalt blue 987.1 3.4S, cilinders scored after 50000 mls, always been Porsche serviced and warmed-up correctly, never again a M96/97 pre-DFI engine for me. I would never again have peace of mind with one of these ticking time bombs. It's such a shame because they're a blast to drive.
Have had one of these for about a year and a half... Don't regret it one bit. Don't even lose my sleep over the bore scoring, it is as you say, if it ever comes to happen it's time for an upgrade.
Typical just when I’ve been looking on autotrader for an interesting daily driver for around £20k or less you post this video.
Thanks James keep up the good work.
If it makes you feel better, I do it to myself!
Sensible, real world car reviews. Well done.
Jay - your insights into the automotive scene are the most astute on the internet. Why are all the other TH-camrs pushing manufacturers' points of view, and not speaking their own thoughts, like you do? I agree the 987.1 S is a fantastic car, and are agreat value. Keep up the great work!
Porsche enthusiast and owner of many Porsches over the last 23 years. The 987.1 Cayman S and Boxster S are still some of my favorite Porsches to drive. They are some of the most satisfying to drive cars Porsche has ever made. Absolute confidence in any situation. Not too hard, not too soft, but just right. I have owned my 2008 987.1 Cayman S for over 10 years. I have driven many of the new cars and I still can not justify the price to upgrade in comparison to the fun factor between old vs new. The 987.1 Cayman and Boxster are just that good. Even at close to 15 years old. Sure, the new cars are faster and more refined, but that does not always translate to being that much more enjoyable or practical to drive over the old ones. I also own a 911 C4S and I love them both equally, but the Cayman remains the light weight and easiest one to toss around in the corners.. Great review Jay. Thank you for your honest opinion and not letting prestige or chasing the image of money affect your true feelings about the joy of driving this car!
Appreciate your comments. Sometimes less is more I guess.
Thank you Jay, it was perfect timing to hear some love for the 987.1. I knew I didn't make a mistake when I bought mine. In the US, it's doom and gloom for these. So much so I want to ask PCA what will they do to support these wonderful machines? Info is great, but solutions are better. I refuse to think that M9X engined cars are just a way to sort out the riff raff. There has to be affordable cars to continue fondness and love the brand. Not everyone can afford the latest and greatest. My 07' CS is my "Lamborghini" or "Ferrari" and I'm quite content with that. Cheers! 🍻🇺🇲🇬🇧
In many ways I'd say your 987 is better than most Lamborghini or Ferrari, you don't have to worry about piling the millage on it while you enjoy driving the bollocks off it like a typical Ferrari owner, and it's probably more reliable. Had mine for 11 years and 136,000 miles and love it.
@@kw8757 I'll take your word on that. This will be my fourth summer and we're 10K miles into it. It's been magical and I hope to have this car for a very long time. They certainly don't build curves into cars like this one anymore!
I’d honestly take a 987.1 CS over a Ferrari or Lambo. I have a 996.1, my wife recently got an ‘05 Boxster S and I can’t stop stealing it from her! We’ve put almost 8k miles on and it’s just taking it like a champ. If I weren’t so attached to my 911, I’d ditch it in a heartbeat for a 987.1 CS.
@@justinmckeown9029 that's great! A friend of mine just sold his 997 GT3 and bought a Cayman R and had no regrets. These cars are so curvy and exotic with classic lines. Parked next to 356 and your cash see the heritage. For me, it's the perfect car that begs me to become a better driver. 😎
The overall experience of the 987 CS is just as good as any Ferrari or Lamborghini from the same era to now. Folks are only starting to realize 📈
Kept it 11 years and still want to drive it. I drove all the time and went very very fast that people say I’m crazy to push that high IN SNOW!! Had a doggie on passenger seat and she smiled at me. I miss driving it let alone going that quick, can’t believe it myself now, did I go that quick? I did. STILL MAKES ME SMILE!!!!!!
Got it after 1st war. When Obama is president.
James, really enjoyed this review and totally agree with you! I’ve had a 987 Boxster 2.7, and 996 Carrera’s, 3.2 and 3.4, and the 3.4S trumps all of them.
Point to point on a British A-road I firmly believe there isn’t much that could get passed a well driven Cayman. Just enough power to be completely usable, sublime handling and that engine note, I hope to be buying one later this year and keeping it forever.
Other Porsches have come and gone but this will be a keeper. Black on black, optional 19’s, sports seats and steering wheel - yes please!
Great video James, I’ve just agreed to buy one of these myself, subject to an oil sample analysis coming back clean, so this video is superbly timed. Can’t wait!
If you're looking for an affordable, modern vehicle that has the charisma of the old Porsches, the 987 is the only answer. And to be honest, even with engine damage, it still looks damn good as a work of art in front of the garage driveway :)
Couldn’t agree more, Jay! I, myself, had myself nearly convinced I would only buy the “superior” 987.2 (if not a 718 GTS 4.0!) until I went down the rabbit hole of bore scoring causes and prevention (see Flat 6 MS). I recently bought a ‘06 Cayman S (987.1) that had already fallen victim to bore scoring and had a replacement M97 from an ‘08 installed. I could not be happier. It managed to vastly exceed my expectations and is just such a beautiful and timeless car. Net of bore scoring prevention is 1.) replace the fuel injectors, 2.) use ethanol-free top tier premium gasoline, 3.) ensure the oil comes up to full operating temp each time you drive it (don’t short cycle), and 4.) be diligent with oil changes using premium synthetics.
Excellent vid. I have 987.2 cayman and my reading says they changed bore liner in .2. So has no scoring issue, no ims and the base has port injection so should be more reliable than DFI. My view a perfect unicorn. Drive in second and third between 4 and 7k RPM and it’s hard to tell base from S. Owned mine for 3.5 yrs and it’s the only car I’ve owned that I love more the longer I have it. Truly amazing. I agree peak Porsche.
The 987.2 is the one to have simply because the new engines did away with the bore score and IMS and that’s why they’re twice the price despite cosmetically not a lot of changes.
First time I drove a Cayman S I really found myself wondering why you’d need a 911… love them.
Really like your no nonsense honest reviews of attainable cars.
As much as i love the looks of the 981 with the 3.8 engine, the 987 is just better being smaller lighter and that little bit more analogue, and with a proper handbrake. I own a 2011 spyder, it may not have huge power but its a proper allround sports car. And the carbon bucket seats are sublime, makes it a real occasion from the moment you drop yourself into the seat. The 987 is the sweetspot and that'll probably not change now.
Have had one of these in Night Metallic Blue for a few years now and love it. No issues to date. Not so cheap here in NZ. Real hard to find in manual
Great video. I own one now for more than 3 years and I love it. For me it is the perfect balance of a car. It drives so well, looks beautiful, is practical and is affordable to maintain. I wouldnt know what to trade it in for. The manual gearbox is a joy and in my opinion you dont need more power for the road. I smile every time I get into it. A great car!
I bought myself a 987.1 non S after your video maybe last year of a couple of years ago. I could not love my car more and cant find anything to replace it without spending a lot more money! I opted for a non S because I was scared of bore scoring, but I do regret not getting an S sometimes!
But it doesnt matter because at the end of the day I get to hop in a lovely handling and enjoyable driving experience everyday. I get way more thumbs up in my cheap Cayman than my brand new Golf R, M140i and GT86!
I bought my 987.1 Cayman S in October of 2021. I had driven some 987 base cars around town and thoroughly enjoyed them, but had never taken one on any real backroads. I was the “it’s not a 911 guy”, and it wasn’t until I had the chance to drive one in its element, twisty backroads, with a friend of mine following me in my E92 M3 that I realized, oh it’s not a 911, and that is the point. The M3 could not keep up with the base 981 cayman I was driving, I’d lose him in the corners and he’d almost catch up right before the next corner, but more importantly I’d never been in a car that was that much fun to drive before, I couldn’t wipe the smile off my face, and I knew the M3 had to go and a cayman had to take its place. I went with 987 for the hydraulic steering, and the lower entry price, and almost two years later I couldn’t be happier with my car. This is hands down the best driving car I have ever owned. I did topspeed headers, topgear exhaust, ipd plenum, gt3 throttle body, short shifter, fvd tune, and ST-X coilovers to wake it up a bit, and a CarPlay headunit to make it more daily use friendly. I am typically a 6 month to a year then on to something different car guy, but I don’t think I’d ever be able to bring myself to get rid of this car. I hear you with the compliments on these cars as well, my M3s E46s and E9Xs, Mazdaspeed S3s, 540i/6s, M6 (E63), CLS 55 AMG, S2000, Miata, and C6 corvette of the past never got the same attention as the Cayman, and every bit of attention this car captures is positive where as some of the other cars on the list attracted some negative attention. As far as the 911 debate vs the mid engine cars is concerned, my brother sold off his 987 Boxster base for a 997.2 Carrera 4S cabriolet, and he and I have driven the cars back to back, and every time he drives mine he misses his Boxster, though he and I agree the extra power is great in the 911. Both are phenomenal cars in their own right. The 987 chassis is much more balanced, but the 911 is still phenomenal around corners.
I have the exact same car, same colour virtually identical. I've had it seven years now and love every mile I cover. Love the fact everything is manual, no auto lights, wipers etc, you are still in control of the car.
Well done James. This car is a super sleeper. I had one for a day and have always raved about it. It sits firmly in my top 3 favourite cars for driving. I am 6'5" and lanky. All controls fell at my finger tips / toe tips. It would be my choice of the three as a daily driver. The other two? In no order, Caterham, Lancia Fulvia Coupe. I would encourage any one to take all three for a dance. Because that is what it is like. Dancing with a gifted partner. The rewards to be had are louder than any bragging rights. Bw Mike in the Forest of Blackness.
James what a pleasure it was coming down to see you last week. Thank you for the opportunity!
still never seen the whip
@@PatrickWoodSheff will bring it up when you're back
Yup, I had a 987.1 Boxster.
The road feel blew me away.
So I went further and got a 987.2 Spyder. Astonishingly good car !
Had mine 5 years now still love it with no intentions of getting anything else good review
I would say if my car gets bore scoring tomorrow it was worth every penny for the smiles I got from this car in the last 2 years.
Really good and honest review, owning a Cayman S is a lot of fun. I took my white with black wheels and red interior car to Simply Porsche a couple of years ago - meeting up with a huge group of other mixed Porsches at Rownhams Services. The drive out of those services in that Cayman, following the likes of GT3’s and 4’s etc did not disappoint and on normal roads and motorways, the Cayman S felt every inch a great car and in the correct company. Caymans will rev all the way and generate the Porsche flat 6 engine howl, enhanced with the Porsche sports exhaust.
Sold mine eventually moving to an F-type S jag and recently saw my Cayman S up for sale again, for more than I sold it for 😂😁.
Considering buying anther now, if I can find white, with red interior and black wheels……….. great review, keep em coming
Great review and you have got me thinking this would be a good replacement for my Mk2 TT. Thanks James
I was told by a Porsche specialist that you have to take the sump off to properly check for scoring as it starts at the bottom of the bore. Apparently if its visible from going in from the spark plugs, then the scoring is already bad below the piston crown? The problem about the internet is there are so many contradicting thoughts and opinions about everything from bore score to IMS issues. I bought a 2.7 base, so I don't have quite as many bouts of anxiety about owning a Boxster (or Cayman). Although a specialist said he'd seen scoring on the 2.7 engine too. Mine doesn't use much oil (0.5 of a litre over 9000 miles), so I won't worry too much.
Bang on the money... yes it does start at the bottom of the cylinder bore.
I have a GT4RS coming soon to my dealer. I have not driven a GT4RS yet but I have had similar thoughts to you James and can easily see me keeping my Cayman R I bought new since I do not think I can ever get a car as good as it again.
Really great video, might put one on the list, also loads of interesting comments.
Hi James, I've seen your videos for a while now, I always wonder when you describe, especially on the Cayman R and this 987, this fun chassis that "move and dance with you" that comunicate so well 20:31, can you describe a bit more specifically what actually happen.
Is a not so stiff anti roll bar that allow a bit more roll to the car giving a sensation of speed at lower mph? Is a traction thing where you feel the tire move underneath you? Or is something else?
The 987.2 may be the ideal version. It’s got the perfect balance of design and tech and reliability.
So glad I bought a 2006 2.7. Quick enough for the road, model built after 2005 - so uprated IMS, and it's actually a more charismatic engine than the 3.4 in either .1 or .2 guise.
Yet another great review Jay! With regard to checking for bore scoring, I thought it might be worth mentioning something I heard recently. "They" say that it tends to start from the bottom of the cylinders and work it's way upwards, thus in the early stages, bore scoring can be present, but not visible from a top-down bore-scoping. Hence, bore-scoping from the sump end is preferable. DISCLAIMER: "they" refers to alleged experts on the Internet, so while this sounds logical (if a lot of effort) to me, I wouldn't automatically assume that this is in any way official advice on how to do it right :)
Have the 2007 version. Had it for a more than a year now. Came with a Tubi exhaust. Love it-best car/Porsche (996, 968) I’ve owned. Great car!!!
I have been looking for 987 for years, waiting for the right one. You make me want this car instantly! LOL.
Hello Jay, long time lollower here. 987.2 BS owner. I found a perfectly speced 10k mile car 2 yrs ago. My choice was based up your reviews and other you tubers. I must say this is by far the very best sports car I have driven. The 340 hp DFI engine is just amazing between 3500-5k rpms with the sprint throttle boost and DSC suspension module the car is more capable and compliant than stock. These 2 small plug in changes have made this car everything I will ever need on the public roads. Sold my BMW E89 3L Z4 because it could not keep up, and selling my Ford Cobra because th Boxster runs circles around them both. Earlier I've owned TR3 and TR4, Mustang GT, and such but nothing comes close to the comfort and capability of this little car. She's a keeper. Specification is everything. LSD and PASM are a must have but DSC control module and sprint throttle boost really made this car everything I wanted it to be. I enjoyed the video. Cheers
Awsome vid yet again James!, I am thinking of replacing my 986S and can't decide between a 987.1 or a 996 C2/4 🤔
Owned a comparable Boxster + took "good care" of a similar Cayman for a friend who had no garage and who lost (?!) his permit due to his love for alcohol. I have to say I agree with everything you said. It is indeed one of the best sports car ever. Taking into acount price, cost of keeping in good shape, insurance and so on. Thx for the good video.
Nice video James and agree with quite a lot of your views. I owned a 2006 model for 12 years and thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it. Only had to sell due to health reasons. I blame the internet for a lot of the worrying bore issues. Keyboard experts who have never owned or even driven a Cayman S filling the ether with unsupported facts. Yes there are known issues but how many cars as a percentage of sales actually had serious problems? I would suggest not that many otherwise they would have tanked in price and nobody would ever buy one.
Really do miss mine..............someone got an absolute bargain!
Driving habits, climate, and service intervals have a big impact on scoring I believe. How many drivers over rev a cold engine while living in colder climates, complain about oil consumption... Another I notice are people (younger Americans who can't drive) who drop a clutch on subaru then bag its inability to tolerate abuse.... I blame fast n furious movies for unrealistic expectations.
Great job discussing the differences between 987.1 and 987.2: different engines, PDK replacing triptronic, bore scoring, power. A couple things to add:
1. 987.1 have less effective oil baffling. I went to the track with a Porsche group in my 987.2 CS and saw a 987.1 S blow its engine
2. The PDK gearing is slightly better (closer) than the manual, but still too long, especially in 2nd. I revved it out the other day. When I hit third I was going 71 mph.
General comments as a daily driver: you do not need the extra power from the S trim. The pedal very rarely finds the floor. The ride is a bit harsh when you're just cruising (I do not have PASM and ride on 19" wheels). I love taking corners faster than just about everyone else though.
Track car: all I wanted was stickier rubber. I was faster than a 488 in the corners, but he was taking slightly worse lines. Newer 911s (991 T, 991 S, etc) were slightly slower in the corners, but faster on straights. On a tighter, shorter track, I'd pick my car.
With those complaints, I'd switch to 18' wheels.
Great video as always. Have a 978.1 Boxster and what a fantastic car, practical, economical, and lots of fun. And of course cheap as chips to own and run.
So great to hear of other young drivers enjoying these cars. I too bought my 987.1 S just before my 21st, and now, 3yrs on, my insurance is just £400pa. I would however add that maintenance has not been cheap BUT completely worth every penny. Nice to see some positivity on this model again too!
Here in Australia the used prices for these are over double what they are there. It sucks!
Could you give me an insight into the maintenance costs?
I'm 22 and looking to get one but questioning how much I'll end up spending to run it.
In my 3rd ownership of Cayman 2.9 - it’s superb!
Thanks for a great review on an overlooked car. The secret of these Porsche is to let them breathe, namely a more open exhaust and a plenum. My 987.1 Cayman S came alive after these simple mods, just how it should have been from the factory.
I’m really pumped to own a cayman/caymanS. I’m going to go and test drive one this weekend in this exact spec and I couldn’t be more excited.
I love my 987.1 Manual S. Just change the oil a lot and you’re fine. Mine has a borla exhaust and sounds great. I also have a 996 Turbo S manual. Both very fun cars. Cheers.
I recently brought a 2005 Cayman S for around 16k. I researched the bore scoring issue heavily and the consensus is very much that this issue is not very common; less than 8% of all cars have reported it.
One issue that is not to be overlooked is rust. Lots of people keep these cars outside and drive them in the winter. Although a good amount of the chassis and components is made of aluminum, that is not to say they are impervious to rust. And the regular steel components, well fair game. They are almost 20 years old now so the aluminum is basically fair game for rust as well.
Belts, hoses, clamps, pumps etc are cheap enough to replace on this car thanks to the service hatch behind the seats and mostly sensible engine design. The parts are not as expensive as people might assume.
Another thing James forgets to mention is that if you buy one of these, prepare for the fact they are noisy and a bit heavy to use. There is continuous belt noise at low rpm that sounds like there is a supercharger right behind you, and the steering, clutch and throttle are reasonably heavy, but you do get used to it.
Overall I agree with James, what an amazing car for the money. The acceleration feels like far more than 300hp and the grip is absolutely incredible in all conditions. And I mean truly incredible; I couldn't really find any difference in grip to the 2015 Exige S I owned when pushing it hard. The exhaust sounds better than what can be heard on the video as well obviously and is magnificent after 5000 rpm.
Love the comment, I’m a 997.1 owner myself. The rust is definitely contingent on regional conditions. I’m in the USA and bought my Cayman from Michigan (notorious for salt distribution on roads) and my chassis rust is close non existent. I suppose any underbody will concede to corrosion at some point
My 987.1 Boxster S is also that glorious Dark Olive Metallic, beautiful color
Just bought a 987.1 Boxter S at the weekend (first Porsche, wanted a Porsche for 40 years!) Absolutely love this car, even if I end up paying £12k for an engine rebuild at some point. Planning on keeping it forever. But also planning on adding another Porsche in a year or two… either a Cayman or a 997. Worse dilemmas to have I guess!
I'm with you Adam. Since I bought my boxster, I want to fill my garage with Porsches
Would love one to sit alongside my beloved Alfa Brera 1750, which I’ve owned for 5 years.
Loved this video, love the original Cayman S, wonderful cars.
Thank you for the homage to the 987.1 ❤ it’s a lovely car to own and I think it is ageing very well. I really hate cars (incl. new Porsches) are getting bigger and bigger. Our UK roads aren’t, so they are impractical. The 987 and 997 are in my view the last usable Porsches for country lanes 😊
You see when I was 21 a few years ago I went the other route and bought a manual M240i, with the intention of modifying it and I've never looked back
Have one of these. Love it. Bullet proof city car that's easy to park but then a serious canyon carver if your grocery run calls for it. RECOMMEND!
❤ The video
Bullet-proof except the bore scoring.
@@EvoraGT430 over 100k miles on mine. Hasn't been an issue. Drive it everyday and it will reward you. 😌
Porsche has a huge back catalog of interesting stuff, and for me that's where the smart money is at.. You're relieved of all the OPC nonsense, so you don't need to worry about extortionate servicing, inability to make the slightest modifications to your car, crap like 'omg make sure you only use N rated tyres'; and not to mention either the massive waiting times or being made to feel like an annoyance to the OPC for wanting to buy any model they deem remotely desirable.
My wife has a 2008 Cayman S with 182000.0. miles on it. bought it in 08 with 3000 miles on it. had air / oil seperators replaced twice. all coolant hoses changed last year. have it services at Porsche of Warwick. burns half a quart of oil in between changes . oil gets changed every 10000 miles. She drives it every day. original alternator, starter,Most reliable car we have owned.Paint looks great. Guards red.
987.1 on 17s with PASM. I've been driving for over 30 years and owned over 30 cars but nothing compares to this. Its a keeper.
Good to know Hartech are still going strong. I haven't owned a Porsche since the mid 90's. Brilliant service.
My research as a 987.1 Cayman S owner is that many fears are exaggerated,
All Caymans are thought to have the final design large IMS with very low failure rate. (No one seems 100% sure that they all have it). Its only disadvantage is that unlike the earlier, smaller, less reliable IMS bearings it isn't easily replaceable, requiring an engine tear down rather then 'merely' flywheel removal.
As for bore scoring, it is very real (as with certain other expensive German brands) but nothing like as common as some would have you believe. After discussion with specialists I follow the following:
On a well run in car, change oil with 5W/40 quality oil (I use Shell Helix) rather than 0W/40 and use a OE filter
Consider a magnetic oil drain plug to spot tell-tale debris which may be a sign of a failing IMS
Fit a low temperature thermostat
Dont idle for an extended period when cold but ....
Dont rev while cold (I limit to 2500)
Dont drive hard until properly warm (which does not just mean the water is up to temp)
Keep the engine revs to 2000+ even if that means changing to first more often than you usually would
Do not perform the traffic light grands prix as idling for a long time creates hot spots in the (limited sized) water jacket. Drive the car gently for a bit to dissipate
Dont use the car for silly short journeys where it doesn't get warm. Use a bike, it will get you fit
Dont labour the engine, it may be torquey but labouring at low revs risks piston slap and hence abrasion - anecdotally it seems most 996, 997 and 987.1 with rebuilt engines seem to be Tiptronics where the gearbox probably changes gear at lower revs than manual drivers.
If you are at low engine revs use small throttle openings
Final point 1, the 987.1 Cayman S is the first ever model of Cayman so possibly will become collectable like the very first 911s (or 901s!)
Final point 2 a pre April 2006 987 ( Cayman or Boxster) cosst half as much VED than a post March 2006 one due to an anomaly in the UK Road Tax system - it will save you about £350 a year.
When I got my 987.1 Boxster S I felt like I stole it. The car is fantastic and after a very vigorous servicing by experts I have total confidence in the car. Deal of the century, indeed. Oh, and Porsche recently released a satnav update with car play support.
James, it’s like you’re reading my mind with these videos! I started test driving Boxsters about a year ago….realized I needed a roof (for biking, etc) and have been looking at Caymans and Cayennes! The Cayman is what is missing in a market where ‘the Miata is always the answer.’ It’s an affordable sports car that doesn’t claim to or need to be setting lap times at the ‘Ring.’ Just a two seat Porsche that is a thrill to drive on a Tuesday to the market….that’s an enthusiast’s car. Thank you for your thoughts and comments on bore scoring.
Affordable? No offence, but you're obviously a 50+ man with a good job and a paid off house haha
@@chrispekel5709 well....i am not 50+....i do enjoy my job....and my house is not paid off....but valid response. i think i chose my words poorly. the cayman is a more attainable enthusiasts car that is more practical as a daily driver. it's certainly not "affordable" when viewed within the overall car market!!!
@@m.p.509 I apologise for making assumptions. Your description that it is attainable is far more accurate. Parts and servicing definitely don't lean towards being affordable which by definition in this case means 'not too expensive'. Here in Australia the second hand prices are extremely inflated, 2008 models that should sell for 30k are well over 60. That's what's kept me from buying one - the value isn't there. Looking at an older 6 series
@@chrispekel5709 an older 6 series would be incredible. a friend of mine had one and it was fantastic. i have driven several different vehicles over the last year or so - but you are so right about the inflated prices. it is one of the reasons that i haven't pulled the trigger on a different car. best of luck to you on the 6!! cheers!
Interesting to hear that the long-gearing mentioned at 11:10 is a common complaint. I've owned a 2003 Boxster-S 3.2 for about a month and whilst I adore it, this has been my main gripe. When 2nd will happily carry you to 60mph+ and third far beyond that, what is the point in the top-end of the gear range? I'm never going to drive at 160mph, so much of what the long ratio delivers seems utterly pointless. Everyone knows it wants to perform in the high rev-range, which means changing late, but the problem with that is I quite enjoy changing up through the gears. I previously owned a SLK 3.5 and preferred its gearing.
Porsche Club of America TH-cam channel have done a good video on bore scoring recently. Great for anyone considering investing. I’m a 987.1 owner and have the 2.7 engine for a reason. At a point in time I wasn’t an owner and a skeptic to the noise around these cars about how good they drive - It’s all true however. If you buy the right one - the 987.1 doesn’t lack in a single department, it’s as close to a perfect all rounder in this class of car. It’s arguably the best analogue sports car ever as a complete package. I’ve owned a classic mini, mg tf, Subaru Impreza Wrx Sti UK, Mg Zs 180 and was brought up around mg BGT’s and MG roadsters. The cayman 987 has specific characteristics that remind me of all those cars put together when driving it. To me at least - Porsche perfected the Sports Car with this car - it’s the last of old school cool and encapsulates all the efforts that went before in the 60’s, 70’s 80’s and 90’s and nailed it! It will smash a B Road, handles well, doesn’t rust and its mechanical grip is phenomenal. They are also pleasant to be inside in the winter!
Great video, but have 1 question: Where did you get the shirt?
Jay, Great content as always. Love the honest take on these cars. It seems like you really made a case for the 987.1 2.7 base car over the S model - and you didn’t even talk about it! The 2007-2008 2.7 models have an upgraded engine with VarioCam Plus and they don’t suffer bore scoring or IMS issues. Please do a review on THOSE cars!
I think it’s a little harder to tell bore scoring by using ONLY a camera into the cylinders. Most of the scoring occurs lower in the cylinder before you would see it at the top. if you see it at the top of the cylinder, the engine is definitely cooked, but you might have a false sense of confidence if the scoring is just starting at the bottom of the cylinder and you can’t see it.
Why do you think that 2.7s dont suffer IMS do? Its exactly the same valve drive design. I agree it doesnt suffer bore scoring as teh water jacket is bigger
@@johnwh1039 The 2007-2008 models had the upgraded bearing (as did late 2005-2006, but the 2007-2008’s got VarioCam Plus with better fuel economy). Anyway, failure rate on the 2007-2008’s was less than 1%. Probably even less if the oil is changed every 5K miles with a good moly blend. Really a non-issue.
@@johnwh1039 The 3.4 S has the same IMS bearing, and therefore the same less than 1% failure rate.
The S has the bore scoring issue which is not less than a 1% failure rate.
I prefer the 2.7 because it’s way less problematic than the S and a lot more fun to drive - IMHO.
Have had my 987.2 S for 10 years now and honestly it's not easy to find a better car, even if you spend a lot more... Have done about 50 trackdays, a few rallies in the alps, skiing holidays etc, and it just does everything!
Something about a Porsche. People love them even if they don’t admit it. That classic shape and badge. The cayman s is superb
100% agree. I used to always want a 997 2S, then 991s. But once I got one of these, a manual 06 S in Seal Gray, I'm not as interested in anything else short of a 3.8rs.
You’re too real, my good sir. Haven’t so much as glanced over at my Speedo in a good many lunar cycles
No one does, I think. They just had to put something there so the gauge cluster would look correct.
Have an ‘07 Boxster S. Love it. 115,000 miles and counting. Only issues that aren’t normal for the mileage were; micro switches associated with door handles that operate the windows, elastic straps that keep the top where it belongs during operation, and the drive gears on each side that operate the top, which are all known issues with these cars. Everything else (water pump, clutch, tie rod ends) are normal for any car with this mileage. Likelihood of bore scoring can be minimized if you drive it, let it warm up before hammering it, keep the injectors clean, and supplement the oil with additives to add back in the lubricity elements that government mandates have taken out.
You left out the HUGE bump in the torque curve at 5400 RPM. Almost feels like a turbo coming on boost.
The longer I have it, the more reluctant I am to part with it.
Looks almost exactly like the 2005 Cayman S that I had for a few years. Same color, same wheels, same seats, just mine was a left hand drive (in the States), with the sports chronometer, and the Porsche PCM navigation system.
totally agree, the way this makes you feel is unique, i heard that p car love in your voice
I drove a 987.1 manual S recently and admittedly it was not in the best condition with a hard 74k miles on it. The cup holder would fall out, hood did not latch, motor mount desperately needed a replacement and so on. I still found it uninspiring to drive. Granted I will reserve full judgment until I can drive a proper example.
My favorite Cayman I have driven to date was the 981 GTS on track. Felt like a precise scalpel carving it's own path.
I also drove the 718 Cayman and while the looks and handling were there, the 4cyl turbo was its weakness.
I've owned one since 2021 and it's my first sports car. I've had to spend basically the price of the car in repairs, I was naive on the purchase. Yet, I am besotted to this car like I am pretty sure I never will, ever. Thanks James for finally reviewing one of these.
What happened ?
I had a 987.1 Boxster S for a little while. Sold it during lock down. Love it, and miss it still to this day. I'd have a Cayman of the same vintage any day.
Same! Really miss my Boxster
Helped my dad pick up a 2006 Boxster S 6 spd in good/drivers condition before covid for $15000 and it needed tires and about $800 of electrical repairs at Porsche dealership so not a bad score considering the mileage. According to my research the 2006+ had the gen 3 IMS bearing which was the most reliable of them all before moving to DFI and them changing the whole motor for the better.
My notes are that it's the best sports car I've ever driven fitted with PS4S tires. The thing grips with wayyy more balls than I have. I find the power adequate too and the 2006 model has the 280hp engine. Plenty of torque given the low weight. These things do get pretty bad MPG though, around 18mpg all around for 50/50 highway and street driving. The 19" Carrera wheels probably don't help. 1st gear is long but 6th gear is short, the ratios are very close together great for sporty driving but not a car I'd want to take on a long trip. Seats are excellent for sporty driving but will sore your butt cheeks after about 3 hours is all I can take. Clutch is surprisingly on the heavier side and becomes a drag after about 5 minutes of traffic for sure and we are selling it for this reason soon. We cross shopped new Miata's before pulling the trigger on this and it was basically a Miata with 50% more of everything. That Miata still has such a nice little shifter feel though, the Porsche is clunky yet purposeful in comparison. I am sure a brand new shifting linkage with all the plastics not worn in would feel quite a bit better. Overall, awesome car and exactly what we expected from it seeing all the reviews.
Being an Aussie I went the Boxster S over the Cayman just because we have the weather to enjoy the roof off experience. My 987.1 is the 3.4lt six speed manual and it is beautiful. I swear there is nothing around for three times the price that even comes close. I'm running down motorbikes on the twisty stuff.
The IMS and bore score issues are way overhyped. If you're concerned, get a PPI before you buy. These cars are virtually bullet proof. Great tourer, fun track day machine and all the luxury you would expect from a Porsche.
I'd have a boxster over the Cayman simply for the convenience of getting in and out of the thing. Always conscious of the side bolster of the seat, I sat in one and pulled a muscle just trying to get in lol... admittedly I had the owner right there, but he wasn't selling it, just let me have a seat.
Hi James, I have been enjoying your reviews for several months now, and in particular am watching them through the lens of wanting a sports convertible, and due to a friend’s enthusiasm for his second 987 Cayman, a Boxster 987 is on my shortlist. I noticed you didn’t mention the other “slippery goalpost” item, the IMS bearing…although assume your advice would be similar to bore scoring? I’m lucky enough to live in Scotland, which is God’s driving country IMHO, so progressive, supple and feelsome handling in changeable conditions is a top requirement. Thanks for opening up the options.
Forgot to say, I love your end titles, because of the music. Props to ELFL 👍🏽
We've had a 987 for 6 years now and it's a lovely drive. Never had an issue with it. Bills can be expensive but then you look at it and that doesn't matter anymore. Its been our daily drive for 5 and a half of those years but now just gets used at weekends or porsche events. My Mrs wants to sell it but it's not that easy
Thanks for the vid. Mine just went up in value.