I had that SAME rope but red 12 mil. For tree work. Cut it into lanyards for pruning jobs. After two uses the sheath got super tight! And no prusiks work on it because it bunches up so bad.
thats classic lol, but ya hear that Royal Robbins and thos early Yosemete pioneers didnt go out and buy bouytique rope that was fancy but rather got old ropes from the Telephone company adn thts hwo they made alot of thoese first ascent, they also mashioned alot of their tools by modifuying thing they got t=from hardware store.
you don't usually break test ropes as a measurement of how good it is, as it is meaningless. you test how good it is at keeping your internals from bleeding after a fall.
I’m well aware, unfortunately the logistics of doing a drop test with ropes is a little challenging. That being said I do think a shear break test would still provide a decent comparative measure of the strength difference between this rope and another.
Hey, the little green and red string are only used to mark the year of the rope, if you get a old rope and cut it like this, you can ask the year of consumption to the maker using these colors. Thanks for the vid ❤️
Those 'tracer lines' are for dating when the rope was produced i believe, so you can easily do some forensics in case you need to cut off the ends and need to know exactly how old it is.
yes, every producer has a color code: they change the color each year so you can know what year your rope has been made. Given you know wich decade it has been made
@@RobouVideos If you have 7 different strand colours then you could do 7x6 = 42 different combinations, associate this to years and repeat the rotation every 42 years
This rope has nothing to do with sports climbing and is for a totally different kind of climbing: industrial climbing, tree climbing, rescue climbing. Static / half-static ropes are used for climbing techniques where you never ever take a significant fall but you want to ascend the rope with ease using various kinds of techniques and devices. With industrial climbing one usually uses fully redundant setups: two ropes, two anchors, two descenders etc. and a setup that makes rescuing possible/easy. One often uses steel carabiners because they can take a lot more static load than aluminium ones and weight is not so much an isue, one often uses ropes with pre-sewn or spliced loops because those can take a lot more load than loops made with knots. Static/half-static ropes are made deliberately without any drill in the smaller lines inside because that drill is part of what makes a rope dynamic. However one uses 10 to 13 mm static ropes usually.
My Dad climbed in the 50s and 60s before all the special tech in today's ropes. He told us kids that any real fall meant that the rope was relegated to non-climbing stuff. I watched him carefully inspect and clean his ropes, drape them to dry, and coil them up for storage. Way different rope tech back then. Thanks for the vid!
I went climbing with a new friend I made, and I brought 2 helmets (expecting him not to have one.... and he didn’t haha). I use my snowboarding helmet for the belayer and the climbing helmet for the climber (no bueno to climb in snowboarding helmet.... sweaty head). Well sure enough, I was getting lowered off a route and knocked some rock loose with my foot, and a nice fist size rock dropped 50 feet and hit my belayer right in the center of the helmet.... needless to day he bought a helmet the next day.
You know something, I don’t climb but I follow this saying here in the UK. If you buy shite, you buy twice and if my life depends on it.. I definitely do not want to buy twice.
I thought the main difference between static and dynamic rope was how "twisted" the core is? The "straighter" the core the more static the rope. If that's all true the difference between your cores isn't surprising.
You're a beast. I think your channel will explode in the future. Best information with the best character. Unfortunately we still can't climb in the Netherlands, gyms should open up in three weeks though. Would love your take on how to prepare for the reopening? I have a beastmaker and access to a calisthenics park.
@@BetaClimbers Outdoor is no option for us. Nature is not on our side here, no rock at all, unfortunately. I cant travel either. Any tips for climbing outside safely in an urban setting? I could also try to find some trees maybe XD
@@streetstatics as a kid that grew up 15 min from NYC everything looked like a climb to me. Trees fences bridges buildings, diy projects. If you have a climbing mindset everything can turn into a climb. Now that I take my kids to the play ground the underside of play grounds make good over hung boulders climbs lol. Sense your locked down I’d say your best bet is DIY
About the green cord: Some manufacturers sneak in a distinctive color of string in the rope, and change the color every year, I think in case of getting sued and the client lying about the manufacturing date.
I've been using ropes like this for a long time for pulling stumps out of the ground with a tractor-well over 5,000 pounds and a long time, even when soaked and dirt/stones worked into the rope. Nothing to say about climbing
static/dynamic line forces actually are different, that's literally the point. the energy in the fall is the same between the lines, but the dynamic line will decelerate you over a longer distance (and time) and cause a lower force to be exerted compared to static. i can explain the actual math if you'd like
I love the content man, it's very entertaining, and I think you've done a great deed by debunking this rope, especially treating it like a disease! But it seems like you don't know much about the construction of ropes, fair enough though, most climbers don't. The core strands look different because they have different capabilities, a dynamic rope will be much more "twisted" to achieve stretch, while a static rope's core strands should be straighter. Think of a slinky vs straight wire. The colored strand is to date the rope, no wonder the crappy rope doesn't have one. The rope got stiff after a single rappel due to a) the strands got packed together while loaded and created a stiffness as they're more densely packed and b) it's a really crappy rope. You should notice a slight bit of "stiffening" in your rope shortly after it's been loaded, but nowhere near as much as the video you showed. Sewn or spliced eyes are usually indicative of a tree climbing rope or other commercial use ropes, though I imagine this rope was advertised as a "climbing rope" with no specification as to what type of climbing. Personally, I wouldn't even trust this rope as a leash for my dog lol maybe a decorative piece for my home, but I wouldn't want trash lying around so also no lol... Anywho, great video, keep it up and keep learning! Most importantly, climb on!
Nylon filaments typically require extruder temperatures near 250 ºC. So I guess firemans use nylon ropes in air temperature as yoiu told in a video. Anyway I agree with you. Life is more then simple rope, so please buy the best (under safety tests) rope for you. Or go home.
ropes dont lose 10% every year. I'd be surprised if the true measured loss was 2%. The 10 year replacement rule is a lawyered CYA. They know the ropes lose SOME from age, and a lot more from use/abuse, so make a rule that keeps the manufacturer completely in the clear.
On an interesting note the core construction of that cheap rope is very similar - if a bit looser - to the older Bluewater II Semi-Static rescue rope. I have a 2004 DOM length of that rope that I use for dragging wood through the forest. Let me know if you want a photo of the core.
Not sure about as a climbing rope, but they are pretty good for wrapping around those pesky thin and really tall pines and bring them down. Also, great for making swings for my toddler. The dissecting part, looks exactly when I had a abssess removed from my armpit; it still gives me the shivers. Great video bro.
I almost bought that exact rope on EBay.same color. Identical! I shopped around at height safety shops, rock climbing stores online etc. I scored 39 metres of LSK static rope at 3475 kg load rated. It was half price already. I only had 84 AUD, and the store gave me the roll of 39 metres for 81.95 dollars. As opposed to 95.71 AUD. 2 catalogue with everything possible. I noticed rock climbing stores and safety stores give a little extra. They couldn't be bothered cutting 10 metres off! Beautiful feel. Stronger than Beal Antipodes, nice coil and no tangling. 11 mm static rope. Thanks for your vids dude. Cheers from Australia just subbed.nice work. 🙂👍👍👍
Buyer beware for sure. I have 4 climbing lines. Samson & Sterling. 3 strand & non-twisting rigging lines of different diameters. Bought from an Arborist shop. That orange line would be good anchor line. Not for a tree, but a boat. I'm not an Arborist but I have a farm & a job & to keep insurance companies happy I needed to buy thousand of dollars of gear. It's very good gear. It gives me the ability to tackle jobs when I have the time. This is diverse property that u couldn't use a truck with a boom on it. 25 yrs. ago it was so thick that u couldn't see 20 feet in front of you when standing on the ground. Alot of fence up & that means maintenance has to be done when needed. I've taken the skills that were safety driven from work & applied it to my tree work. Everything I do takes some time, but it's done right. I have many stems that have been left for later. I'm almost to the point after a couple of more trees are disposed of to take down these stems. I've been able to take off the tops of some of these dead stems with a Maasdam rope puller so I wouldn't damage any fencing. I left paracord up in these stems so I wouldn't have to climb these stems anymore. Just need to run the rigging line to the top & back down to the Maasdam on the ground to give the whole system more redundancy. My motto is 'measure 5 times, cut once the right way.' After all, you only get one chance.😮
The color strands are used for identification of a particular rope by the manufacturer; some use an actual strand of plastic with a color number and serial number/manufacturer date.
This rope can be bought from amazon for really cheap. i got the smallest length available ONLY to practice and teach my friends how to tie knots. i have tied it to an anchor point build and put weight onto it on a concrete wall to again practice my knots. thats the only use i see this rope having. also just toss the carabiners as they are sharp and complete junk. great vid tho! nice to see some comments about the colored strands to date a rope. learning more and more from this channel.
Static rope is for arborist tree climbing. Lines were you climb the rope not the tree. When you fall your not falling more then a few inches. Dynamic rope is for rock climbing when you fall you fall 4 + feet. So you need something that stretches.
I climb sport on 8,5mm triple rated, super nice, dry rope. It' pretty amzing to have thin, light, long rope for sport routes. Also have 7,3mm half ropes. thin ropes works well as long as they are rated :)
Hey, awesome content. Love how you're getting into the shitting-on-Amazon-climbing-gear train. One thing I'd love to see that I havent seen on YT is an actual stress/failure test of these crap ropes, sort of like how people have done failure tests for no-name biners. Might be hard to replicate the UIAA fall standards, but maybe having it catch a falling sandbag on a factor 2 fall or seeing how easy it is to sever a line with a static load on it would be cool illustrations. As others have mentioned, you're comparing a static line (even though its advertised as "climbing rope") to a dynamic line, so they'll be different anyways. Anyways, love the channel. Look forward to the next climbing fails video.
Yep, agree woth the comment bofere this one, falling into a static rope could cause heavy, heavy damage on your body, do not do it EVER!!!!! Fallong 4m into a static rope os a normfall, in that case stuff like harnesses do only survive up to approx. 5 falls, and also you can potentially die from that.
NGL I bought one of these ropes for rapping and ascending wouldn't want to take a whipper on it, but I hoisted an engine with it to prove its strong enough to trust for that application, I've even climbed on crappy home depot rope with a WLL of 310lbs. All in all I don't recommend being a cheap-ass, as a 'more expensive'(UIAA) rope is well worth the added cost.
I use 7/16 which is 11mm and it will barely work in grigri+ but it is slow rappel due to size so it works well for what I use a Static line will also break your back with a small to mid fall
Force = mass x acceleration So using a dynamic line litteraly reduces the force on you and on the whole system because it reduces the acceleration (or the distance/time you travel) So not the same force :)
The force is the same (your mass x gravitational constant). It's the impulse (force x time) he's talking about. the dynamic line increases time to stop, reducing the overall jerky effect on your body. The force is the same in both instances
It would not be nice! It would be the only way to know! Talking myths are nothing when it comes to hard data ;) I use what I believe exactly same rope for hammocking. And it stretches a lot, although is advertised as a static. I had two bodies (110kg + 65kg) "bouncing" in the hammock with rope being almost horizontal and it took it well. Obviously I would not call it life-trusting but well enough to be potentially very surprising in real-life fall test. I bet this cheap'o would not be far behind "branded/quality" stuff.
I bought one of these from Amazon lol I was like "sweet, a 10.5 static rope for 15$"...I knew it had to be some catch....It was only 35 feet...The quality is pretty bad so now it's just a yard work and video rope
Climbing ropes are nylon6.6 that's heat treated for increased (engineering terms) strength, toughness, elongation at break, and/or ultimate strength based on the specifics of the treatment, whereas the other rope is probably a nylon6 which is very similar, but cheaper and reduced mechanical properties. There are few online papers specifically regarding yield strengths for nylons, but wet it can lose between 20% and 50% of it's yield strength. Drying a nylon rope should take place over a period of 48hrs in a low RH environment for my recommendation for reduction in harm to the rope from moisture uptake. 24 for balancing moisture content and 24 for the moisture creep from core to sheath
I’ve had some cheep paracord do that I’m not climbing with it mostly just trying stuff down in the truck but areas get stiff some get really thin and hard with longer section getting very stiff and hard
Uses of that orange alian? Clothes line and maybe dog or cat leash!! Look I see you did this 2 years ago but was just speaking with a friend on this issue. One, I am an old 62 year old, old school retired climber and more importantly retired High Angle, Swift Water, K9 SAR and Fire Fighter. Two, THANK YOU FOR YOUR VIDEO!!! Maybe it will reduce the number of injuries and fatalities we see. One can only hope!!
Hello. The inside of your old rope might have been treated specialy, in order to prevent the core from sliding inside. This might be what the fine webbing on the outer core was? The outer core could feel a little bit sticky, as far as I know. Also the light red color of the core should indicate that the robe is "dry" treated, if I am not mistaken? Of those cheap robes on Amazon I saw quite many the last days, because - you guessed it ;-) - I was seaching for a more "static" robe. This kind of videos are importend to prevent somebody to get into a really bad situation... Be save :-)
Why not compare static to static? I'm here because I don't know much about the equipment and want to learn, but in the beginning you explained all the differences between the properties of static and dynamic lines, so why would i expect them to look the same when you cut them open??
Wonder why they seem to use braided instead of twist? Any idea if sterling htp rope is much lower stretch than polyester twist? Would both be great for pulling trees? Also, always wondered why you never see arborist use synthetic winch rope for pulling trees or anything?
I don't get how someone will want to put his life on a Amazon rope... By the way the colored strands are a manufacturer code, like the year for example. Some brand also put a transparent plastic strand with infos on it like manufacturer name, model, diameter and norms wich give you the strength of your rope. But after a few years it's not really readable anymore. Good video, thanks for your sacrifice 🤙
When I bought my Mammut eternity classic (no water resistant treatment) 9.8 50m for 60€ in sale. I guess we have somewhat better prices than you guys. It was 3 years ago when I first started climbing. Now i would go for greater length and maybe water resistant treatment, but not sure on that one.
Also in some European countries you have Decathlon which makes decent clming gear if you're a casual climber ! Their ropes wont last you years if you climb regularly outdoors but they are properly tested with european security standards and definitely affordable
Dynamic line "spreads that force out over time" lol . Here's an idea, don't cut your line . I was broke and needed a rope. I used one for about 8 months , the exact line . I found the pros to be cheap , strong as fuck , I tested the shit out of it. It's rated 3000lbs I weigh 150 lbs , I liked the diameter, it follows you through a tree greatly. I have been climbing trees 17 years . I placed 4th in the southern chapter Isa climbing competition in 08 or 07 I can't recall exactly which it was Knoxville Tennessee,. Trust that the rope will do , clearly you have to be vigilant. I upgraded my climbing line once I got my funds up , but the rope is strong. Test before use . After I retired it from climbing, I used as rigging line on small and medium limbs and , I tried to break it for the hell of it. It was very difficult but I finally did after over a year of use . Just saying. Yeah it's cheap but in a pinch , throw on a prusik and micro pulley and don't be an idiot.
The thing is if I didnt read the description thoroughly (they warn its not for climbing at the very end or in smaller font) and just glanced at it and weren't interested in the physics behind climbing or inform myself on safety standard I would have just bought everything from amazon. My logic was how hard could it be to manufacture aluminium and nylon that I couldnt trust chinese products with it and what do asians use for climbing tools, it can't be only european and american brands that make quality stuff. I'll only use the carabiner to carry stuff around and never to anchor myself to them, the sling can be usefull in many way, but yeah I decided to buy all my stuff from climbing store and certified gear only because everything on amazon seems too sketchy. Most of their products in their climbing section have warning to not use them for climbing especially their top sellers, its absurd
i use the home depot cheap rope for my moms roof and tie off to a tree there was ok cause only need about 10 pounds pull if i slip little bit- but now in my house with more of a slant with new roof very slippery so now got the belt and the rope grabber so in my room been playing with the rope grabber- and it works on cheap rope but also stresses it -if you going use a rope grabber get a better rope- cause using grabber i wouldn't recommend using that cheap rope more than 2-3 times - but with a lot roofs it depends on how much your weight going be on the rope- but ya if your actually climbing you need all the rope u can get- how many movies show the rope breaking in climbing-
leading ropes need to have EN892 . static lines are EN1891. and after 9 years the rope don't lose 90% of it strength' its not true, after time the rope qualities will change in ways that will be less safe.
But an edelrid ohm, it's a device you clip to the first bolt that reduces impact force on the belayer. I won't explain it in depth, but that's what you're looking for
Check out the edelrid swift protect pro dry rope. The thickness is no longer an indicator for it longevity. :P pretty cool! Thanks for the fun videos. Keep up the humor ☺️
Interesting I wonder why there is so much mixed info on it. I used it to cut down a friends tree last week to get a good usage test. I noticed the sheath traveled a lot.
I got a price break on my second rope because I did the review on my first purchase. I was happy with 10% off on 150’xstatic and chest harness (tender only)
you were right when you said that falling on a static line will create more force, you didnt have to correct yourself!!! Its the same reason cars now have crumple zones. If you can extend the time it takes to bring a car (or climber) to a stop, it will take a smaller peak force to do so.
I actually just purchased this EXACT rope in 8/23 from Amazon to keep in my office bldg (15th floor) as a just-in-case emergency rope. 🤦🏾♂️ too late to return…
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I had that SAME rope but red 12 mil. For tree work. Cut it into lanyards for pruning jobs. After two uses the sheath got super tight! And no prusiks work on it because it bunches up so bad.
I got that exact same rope you did and it did the same as the guy’s from the video near the start
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Probably what happened to the guy in the video. Not frozen but pulled tight and stretched and stuck casing making it stiff. No good
Very interesting episode! Over here there's a saying: "A cheap rope will last a lifetime"
Lol that’s a good one 🤣
Only true if it breaks after you die.
@@thnderleg the idea is that it failing is what kills you.
thats classic lol, but ya hear that Royal Robbins and thos early Yosemete pioneers didnt go out and buy bouytique rope that was fancy but rather got old ropes from the Telephone company adn thts hwo they made alot of thoese first ascent, they also mashioned alot of their tools by modifuying thing they got t=from hardware store.
That's funny. But to someone like me who doesn't climb (I bet you guys call us normies) I can see how that could be taken the wrong way lol
I would love to see a break test of this rope and it’s carabiners! Possibly a HowNotToHighline colab??
you don't usually break test ropes as a measurement of how good it is, as it is meaningless. you test how good it is at keeping your internals from bleeding after a fall.
I’m well aware, unfortunately the logistics of doing a drop test with ropes is a little challenging. That being said I do think a shear break test would still provide a decent comparative measure of the strength difference between this rope and another.
@@TeamCykelhold no you can def test a static rope for strength as a measure of its quality
they already tested this a few days ago I think
@@AskTheKid True, static ropes can be tested in such a way
Hey, the little green and red string are only used to mark the year of the rope, if you get a old rope and cut it like this, you can ask the year of consumption to the maker using these colors.
Thanks for the vid ❤️
Those 'tracer lines' are for dating when the rope was produced i believe, so you can easily do some forensics in case you need to cut off the ends and need to know exactly how old it is.
yes, every producer has a color code: they change the color each year so you can know what year your rope has been made. Given you know wich decade it has been made
@@RobouVideos If you have 7 different strand colours then you could do 7x6 = 42 different combinations, associate this to years and repeat the rotation every 42 years
@@DeFausti you can have 49 if you can repeat the colors
This rope has nothing to do with sports climbing and is for a totally different kind of climbing: industrial climbing, tree climbing, rescue climbing.
Static / half-static ropes are used for climbing techniques where you never ever take a significant fall but you want to ascend the rope with ease using various kinds of techniques and devices. With industrial climbing one usually uses fully redundant setups: two ropes, two anchors, two descenders etc. and a setup that makes rescuing possible/easy. One often uses steel carabiners because they can take a lot more static load than aluminium ones and weight is not so much an isue, one often uses ropes with pre-sewn or spliced loops because those can take a lot more load than loops made with knots.
Static/half-static ropes are made deliberately without any drill in the smaller lines inside because that drill is part of what makes a rope dynamic.
However one uses 10 to 13 mm static ropes usually.
Right on 🤙🏻 I can’t believe they advertise it as a sport climbing rope. I often use static rope for rock climbing when top rope soloing or hauling.
This.
I use 13mm Edelrid Direction Up for trees.
My Dad climbed in the 50s and 60s before all the special tech in today's ropes. He told us kids that any real fall meant that the rope was relegated to non-climbing stuff. I watched him carefully inspect and clean his ropes, drape them to dry, and coil them up for storage. Way different rope tech back then. Thanks for the vid!
Bro you saved my ass. I was literally just looking at these ropes thinking they were a good budget buy. Thank you thank you thank you!!
I went climbing with a new friend I made, and I brought 2 helmets (expecting him not to have one.... and he didn’t haha). I use my snowboarding helmet for the belayer and the climbing helmet for the climber (no bueno to climb in snowboarding helmet.... sweaty head). Well sure enough, I was getting lowered off a route and knocked some rock loose with my foot, and a nice fist size rock dropped 50 feet and hit my belayer right in the center of the helmet.... needless to day he bought a helmet the next day.
You know something, I don’t climb but I follow this saying here in the UK. If you buy shite, you buy twice and if my life depends on it.. I definitely do not want to buy twice.
I just want to compliment your choice of utility knife, that's the same one I carry at work. Excellent taste, sir.
Milwaukee Fastback utility knife with the serrated locking blade is also a good choice.
Same
I thought the main difference between static and dynamic rope was how "twisted" the core is? The "straighter" the core the more static the rope. If that's all true the difference between your cores isn't surprising.
Yeah I should have mentioned that. It can also vary in material types. Some statics actually have a special twist and if shock loaded will stretch.
@@BetaClimbers That's semi static right?
You're a beast. I think your channel will explode in the future. Best information with the best character. Unfortunately we still can't climb in the Netherlands, gyms should open up in three weeks though. Would love your take on how to prepare for the reopening? I have a beastmaker and access to a calisthenics park.
ABC always be climbing. 🤙🏻
@@BetaClimbers Outdoor is no option for us. Nature is not on our side here, no rock at all, unfortunately. I cant travel either. Any tips for climbing outside safely in an urban setting? I could also try to find some trees maybe XD
@@streetstatics as a kid that grew up 15 min from NYC everything looked like a climb to me. Trees fences bridges buildings, diy projects. If you have a climbing mindset everything can turn into a climb. Now that I take my kids to the play ground the underside of play grounds make good over hung boulders climbs lol. Sense your locked down I’d say your best bet is DIY
@@BetaClimbers there are no mountains in the netherlands
@@streetstatics hang in there bud (pun intended)
i left the netherlands and moved to catalonia and im so grateful for the rocks
About the green cord: Some manufacturers sneak in a distinctive color of string in the rope, and change the color every year, I think in case of getting sued and the client lying about the manufacturing date.
I've been using ropes like this for a long time for pulling stumps out of the ground with a tractor-well over 5,000 pounds and a long time, even when soaked and dirt/stones worked into the rope. Nothing to say about climbing
The cheap Chinese climbing ropes?
static/dynamic line forces actually are different, that's literally the point. the energy in the fall is the same between the lines, but the dynamic line will decelerate you over a longer distance (and time) and cause a lower force to be exerted compared to static. i can explain the actual math if you'd like
I love the content man, it's very entertaining, and I think you've done a great deed by debunking this rope, especially treating it like a disease! But it seems like you don't know much about the construction of ropes, fair enough though, most climbers don't. The core strands look different because they have different capabilities, a dynamic rope will be much more "twisted" to achieve stretch, while a static rope's core strands should be straighter. Think of a slinky vs straight wire. The colored strand is to date the rope, no wonder the crappy rope doesn't have one. The rope got stiff after a single rappel due to a) the strands got packed together while loaded and created a stiffness as they're more densely packed and b) it's a really crappy rope. You should notice a slight bit of "stiffening" in your rope shortly after it's been loaded, but nowhere near as much as the video you showed. Sewn or spliced eyes are usually indicative of a tree climbing rope or other commercial use ropes, though I imagine this rope was advertised as a "climbing rope" with no specification as to what type of climbing. Personally, I wouldn't even trust this rope as a leash for my dog lol maybe a decorative piece for my home, but I wouldn't want trash lying around so also no lol... Anywho, great video, keep it up and keep learning! Most importantly, climb on!
It is the perfect rope for a dog leash, maybe a boat line.. great video
Nah. Would not trust my boat to it.
Maybe my dog. Fuck that dog.
Nylon filaments typically require extruder temperatures near 250 ºC. So I guess firemans use nylon ropes in air temperature as yoiu told in a video. Anyway I agree with you. Life is more then simple rope, so please buy the best (under safety tests) rope for you. Or go home.
8:14 a rope that loses every year 10% of its strength has after 10 years still ~ 34,87% of its original strength ... :D
>50% of its original strength is pretty concerning to me honestly...
ropes dont lose 10% every year. I'd be surprised if the true measured loss was 2%. The 10 year replacement rule is a lawyered CYA. They know the ropes lose SOME from age, and a lot more from use/abuse, so make a rule that keeps the manufacturer completely in the clear.
This was fantastic!!!!
I almost bought the cheap one. Thank you for your help!!!
On an interesting note the core construction of that cheap rope is very similar - if a bit looser - to the older Bluewater II Semi-Static rescue rope. I have a 2004 DOM length of that rope that I use for dragging wood through the forest. Let me know if you want a photo of the core.
The red and green may be for quality control when the rope is made and adds a small layer of strength I’d guess
hilarious man! I use them for rigging small stuff out of trees ... but you're right: so many problems with these ropes
Not sure about as a climbing rope, but they are pretty good for wrapping around those pesky thin and really tall pines and bring them down. Also, great for making swings for my toddler. The dissecting part, looks exactly when I had a abssess removed from my armpit; it still gives me the shivers. Great video bro.
This Rope is Perfect!!!
i use it on Dog Runs, Leashes and Sled Harnesses.....
😄😄😄😄
I almost bought that exact rope on EBay.same color. Identical! I shopped around at height safety shops, rock climbing stores online etc. I scored 39 metres of LSK static rope at 3475 kg load rated. It was half price already. I only had 84 AUD, and the store gave me the roll of 39 metres for 81.95 dollars. As opposed to 95.71 AUD. 2 catalogue with everything possible. I noticed rock climbing stores and safety stores give a little extra. They couldn't be bothered cutting 10 metres off! Beautiful feel. Stronger than Beal Antipodes, nice coil and no tangling. 11 mm static rope. Thanks for your vids dude. Cheers from Australia just subbed.nice work. 🙂👍👍👍
Nice! I just bought my first static got 60ft for 40USD
I have this same rope from Amazon. Wet and frozen has nothing to do with it. After a load the rope stretches and becomes very stiff.
Buyer beware for sure. I have 4 climbing lines. Samson & Sterling. 3 strand & non-twisting rigging lines of different diameters. Bought from an Arborist shop. That orange line would be good anchor line. Not for a tree, but a boat. I'm not an Arborist but I have a farm & a job & to keep insurance companies happy I needed to buy thousand of dollars of gear. It's very good gear. It gives me the ability to tackle jobs when I have the time. This is diverse property that u couldn't use a truck with a boom on it. 25 yrs. ago it was so thick that u couldn't see 20 feet in front of you when standing on the ground. Alot of fence up & that means maintenance has to be done when needed. I've taken the skills that were safety driven from work & applied it to my tree work. Everything I do takes some time, but it's done right. I have many stems that have been left for later. I'm almost to the point after a couple of more trees are disposed of to take down these stems. I've been able to take off the tops of some of these dead stems with a Maasdam rope puller so I wouldn't damage any fencing. I left paracord up in these stems so I wouldn't have to climb these stems anymore. Just need to run the rigging line to the top & back down to the Maasdam on the ground to give the whole system more redundancy. My motto is 'measure 5 times, cut once the right way.' After all, you only get one chance.😮
The color strands are used for identification of a particular rope by the manufacturer; some use an actual strand of plastic with a color number and serial number/manufacturer date.
This rope can be bought from amazon for really cheap. i got the smallest length available ONLY to practice and teach my friends how to tie knots. i have tied it to an anchor point build and put weight onto it on a concrete wall to again practice my knots. thats the only use i see this rope having. also just toss the carabiners as they are sharp and complete junk. great vid tho! nice to see some comments about the colored strands to date a rope. learning more and more from this channel.
Not a good job at comparison.
You should have made some tests on it. Friction, drops, max load...
the tiny colored strands are markers. they inform you about production dates for the rope
You sure those aren't for the machines making these?
"I'm not a climber, but I DID watch a BetaClimbers video while staying at Holiday Inn Express."
I am enjoying and appreciate your content, thank you!
I'm not a climber either but I did watch a BetaClimbers video while saving money on my car insurance
I got this rope when i just got into climbing and its still my go to for tree anchors for top ropes
The little coloured thread you called the intestine in the good rope is the year indicator.
Wonderful information and great video. Good looking out hoss, much appreciated. Whoever supplying that crap is begging for a lawsuit.😆🤘😎😎
the green and red filament are used to distinguish different lots of production.
Static rope is for arborist tree climbing. Lines were you climb the rope not the tree. When you fall your not falling more then a few inches.
Dynamic rope is for rock climbing when you fall you fall 4 + feet. So you need something that stretches.
We also use static for hauling gear up a cliffs in rock climbing, it’s way more energy efficient. 🤙🏻
If I am climbing then I would not trust these cheap ropes with my life. But for strapping cargo or pulling down tree then its ok. Thanks for sharing.
Hey, can you try a climbing harness of wish? ( I’m not English so I can’t write good)
An harness video would be interesting.
Love your channel btw, one of the best climbing. Lot better than geek climber.
@@krutogge There's at least one on the channel...one was twisted pretty bad, and another is about gear loop testing.
Don't buy a climbing harness from wish! Wish is all knock off stuff, don't buy anything that's meat to save you life from a place like that.
@@Palpac I know but it would be interesting
Decent length knife and a cutting board next time perhaps??
I climb sport on 8,5mm triple rated, super nice, dry rope. It' pretty amzing to have thin, light, long rope for sport routes. Also have 7,3mm half ropes. thin ropes works well as long as they are rated :)
I use a 9.1 mm Eidelweiss. Thin ropes are awesome!
Hey, awesome content. Love how you're getting into the shitting-on-Amazon-climbing-gear train. One thing I'd love to see that I havent seen on YT is an actual stress/failure test of these crap ropes, sort of like how people have done failure tests for no-name biners. Might be hard to replicate the UIAA fall standards, but maybe having it catch a falling sandbag on a factor 2 fall or seeing how easy it is to sever a line with a static load on it would be cool illustrations. As others have mentioned, you're comparing a static line (even though its advertised as "climbing rope") to a dynamic line, so they'll be different anyways.
Anyways, love the channel. Look forward to the next climbing fails video.
Would be funny if I could just replicate that weird un-limp rope. Lol
Have you checked to see how it performs with a prusik cord under weight etc. ?
Was expecting to see a test lead fall on the rope to be honest. 😂.
thank god not
Static ropes are only for repelling and ascending.
Would be a very hard catch if you fall on a static rope.
Yep, agree woth the comment bofere this one, falling into a static rope could cause heavy, heavy damage on your body, do not do it EVER!!!!! Fallong 4m into a static rope os a normfall, in that case stuff like harnesses do only survive up to approx. 5 falls, and also you can potentially die from that.
Great info. Good work. Keep it up.
NGL I bought one of these ropes for rapping and ascending wouldn't want to take a whipper on it, but I hoisted an engine with it to prove its strong enough to trust for that application, I've even climbed on crappy home depot rope with a WLL of 310lbs. All in all I don't recommend being a cheap-ass, as a 'more expensive'(UIAA) rope is well worth the added cost.
I use 7/16 which is 11mm and it will barely work in grigri+ but it is slow rappel due to size so it works well for what I use a Static line will also break your back with a small to mid fall
Petzl ropes are made in the same factory as elderid…. Take that information and use it at your discretion
Force = mass x acceleration
So using a dynamic line litteraly reduces the force on you and on the whole system because it reduces the acceleration (or the distance/time you travel)
So not the same force :)
The force is the same (your mass x gravitational constant). It's the impulse (force x time) he's talking about. the dynamic line increases time to stop, reducing the overall jerky effect on your body. The force is the same in both instances
Drop test or break test between the China rope vs certified rope would be nice to know.
It would not be nice! It would be the only way to know! Talking myths are nothing when it comes to hard data ;)
I use what I believe exactly same rope for hammocking. And it stretches a lot, although is advertised as a static. I had two bodies (110kg + 65kg) "bouncing" in the hammock with rope being almost horizontal and it took it well. Obviously I would not call it life-trusting but well enough to be potentially very surprising in real-life fall test. I bet this cheap'o would not be far behind "branded/quality" stuff.
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if money not the money.
Starts in the heart.
Colours determine year made. Different brands use different colours so they are not the same.
I bought one of these from Amazon lol I was like "sweet, a 10.5 static rope for 15$"...I knew it had to be some catch....It was only 35 feet...The quality is pretty bad so now it's just a yard work and video rope
Sorry I didn’t make this video earlier! 😢
@@BetaClimbers No worries, I pretty much knew it wasn't gonna be good but I was curious....This is gonna be a nightmare for new climbers though.
@@50StichesSteel I only hope I’m not to late 😂
Climbing ropes are nylon6.6 that's heat treated for increased (engineering terms) strength, toughness, elongation at break, and/or ultimate strength based on the specifics of the treatment, whereas the other rope is probably a nylon6 which is very similar, but cheaper and reduced mechanical properties.
There are few online papers specifically regarding yield strengths for nylons, but wet it can lose between 20% and 50% of it's yield strength. Drying a nylon rope should take place over a period of 48hrs in a low RH environment for my recommendation for reduction in harm to the rope from moisture uptake. 24 for balancing moisture content and 24 for the moisture creep from core to sheath
"Screw down" seems like an urban legend. Vibrations don't care about gravity.
That looks like the utility rope they sell at Walmart. I have a ball of it in the bed of my truck.
I’ve had some cheep paracord do that I’m not climbing with it mostly just trying stuff down in the truck but areas get stiff some get really thin and hard with longer section getting very stiff and hard
good rope also has a tape in it with man. date and batch # or the tracer line tells when it is made
Holy shit man.... thank you for being so awesome dude! 💘 From LA,CA
Do you have any hard data? Breaking test? Real load test?
Once you dissect it, quality shows.
Looks fine. I'd whip on that till the day I die.
Which would undoubtedly be the same day
I’d use it for light rigging rope in tree service,that’s it though.
I appreciate that you took the gloves off properly too man!
Uses of that orange alian? Clothes line and maybe dog or cat leash!! Look I see you did this 2 years ago but was just speaking with a friend on this issue. One, I am an old 62 year old, old school retired climber and more importantly retired High Angle, Swift Water, K9 SAR and Fire Fighter. Two, THANK YOU FOR YOUR VIDEO!!! Maybe it will reduce the number of injuries and fatalities we see. One can only hope!!
Hello.
The inside of your old rope might have been treated specialy, in order to prevent the core from sliding inside. This might be what the fine webbing on the outer core was? The outer core could feel a little bit sticky, as far as I know. Also the light red color of the core should indicate that the robe is "dry" treated, if I am not mistaken?
Of those cheap robes on Amazon I saw quite many the last days, because - you guessed it ;-) - I was seaching for a more "static" robe.
This kind of videos are importend to prevent somebody to get into a really bad situation...
Be save :-)
Incredible content as always!
THAT ROPE WILL DO THAT IF U REPPEL ONCE! Don’t buy for climbing. Lanyard only
Why not compare static to static? I'm here because I don't know much about the equipment and want to learn, but in the beginning you explained all the differences between the properties of static and dynamic lines, so why would i expect them to look the same when you cut them open??
A real Alfred Hitchcock opening.
Thank you...
Wonder why they seem to use braided instead of twist? Any idea if sterling htp rope is much lower stretch than polyester twist? Would both be great for pulling trees? Also, always wondered why you never see arborist use synthetic winch rope for pulling trees or anything?
I don't get how someone will want to put his life on a Amazon rope...
By the way the colored strands are a manufacturer code, like the year for example. Some brand also put a transparent plastic strand with infos on it like manufacturer name, model, diameter and norms wich give you the strength of your rope. But after a few years it's not really readable anymore. Good video, thanks for your sacrifice 🤙
Because some Amazon rope is actually certified….
When I bought my Mammut eternity classic (no water resistant treatment) 9.8 50m for 60€ in sale. I guess we have somewhat better prices than you guys. It was 3 years ago when I first started climbing. Now i would go for greater length and maybe water resistant treatment, but not sure on that one.
Also in some European countries you have Decathlon which makes decent clming gear if you're a casual climber ! Their ropes wont last you years if you climb regularly outdoors but they are properly tested with european security standards and definitely affordable
"maybe i shuld cut while i talk" you sir, have my upvote
I liked the shrimp joke :)
Thanks for the video
Dynamic line "spreads that force out over time" lol .
Here's an idea, don't cut your line . I was broke and needed a rope.
I used one for about 8 months , the exact line . I found the pros to be cheap , strong as fuck , I tested the shit out of it. It's rated 3000lbs I weigh 150 lbs , I liked the diameter, it follows you through a tree greatly. I have been climbing trees 17 years . I placed 4th in the southern chapter Isa climbing competition in 08 or 07 I can't recall exactly which it was Knoxville Tennessee,. Trust that the rope will do , clearly you have to be vigilant. I upgraded my climbing line once I got my funds up , but the rope is strong. Test before use . After I retired it from climbing, I used as rigging line on small and medium limbs and , I tried to break it for the hell of it. It was very difficult but I finally did after over a year of use . Just saying. Yeah it's cheap but in a pinch , throw on a prusik and micro pulley and don't be an idiot.
Interesting you are the first person that I heard that had some good experience with it. 🤙🏻
@@BetaClimbers I wouldn't necessarily recommend it though. The diameter alone is enough to make a guy nervous in a tree . It was kinda an experiment .
The thing is if I didnt read the description thoroughly (they warn its not for climbing at the very end or in smaller font) and just glanced at it and weren't interested in the physics behind climbing or inform myself on safety standard I would have just bought everything from amazon. My logic was how hard could it be to manufacture aluminium and nylon that I couldnt trust chinese products with it and what do asians use for climbing tools, it can't be only european and american brands that make quality stuff. I'll only use the carabiner to carry stuff around and never to anchor myself to them, the sling can be usefull in many way, but yeah I decided to buy all my stuff from climbing store and certified gear only because everything on amazon seems too sketchy. Most of their products in their climbing section have warning to not use them for climbing especially their top sellers, its absurd
Green is the neutral
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Still my number 1 underground climbing channel.
Haha what a legend. The surgical mask is hilarious 😂
i use the home depot cheap rope for my moms roof and tie off to a tree there was ok cause only need about 10 pounds pull if i slip little bit- but now in my house with more of a slant with new roof very slippery so now got the belt and the rope grabber so in my room been playing with the rope grabber- and it works on cheap rope but also stresses it -if you going use a rope grabber get a better rope- cause using grabber i wouldn't recommend using that cheap rope more than 2-3 times - but with a lot roofs it depends on how much your weight going be on the rope- but ya if your actually climbing you need all the rope u can get- how many movies show the rope breaking in climbing-
leading ropes need to have EN892 . static lines are EN1891. and after 9 years the rope don't lose 90% of it strength' its not true, after time the rope qualities will change in ways that will be less safe.
The green thing is to see what year it is made
Extremely useful
Could you give advice for belaying with different weight? My wife is quite a bit lighter than I am!
But an edelrid ohm, it's a device you clip to the first bolt that reduces impact force on the belayer. I won't explain it in depth, but that's what you're looking for
@@isaack6994 I know... maybe I should just buy one, but I'm sure there are other things to watch for.
Thanks though 👍🏻
Attach her to a weight in a way to put her between the weight and the direction of load so she won't be pulled/flipped around when you fall
Check out the edelrid swift protect pro dry rope. The thickness is no longer an indicator for it longevity. :P pretty cool! Thanks for the fun videos. Keep up the humor ☺️
We have same kind of issue in Indonesia too. For 20 meters just only for 20$ or less
Yo, I almost buy those thing for my first kernmantle ever! Luckily I get more money and buy a branded one.
green strand is for the date of production call the company and they will tell you
You’re soooo wrong. I climb with km111 every day. Love it!!
Interesting I wonder why there is so much mixed info on it. I used it to cut down a friends tree last week to get a good usage test. I noticed the sheath traveled a lot.
@@BetaClimbers sheath traveled? Are you using a km3? I have been using mine for over a year perfect rope for srt. Myself and dozens of other use it
I got a price break on my second rope because I did the review on my first purchase. I was happy with 10% off on 150’xstatic and chest harness (tender only)
you were right when you said that falling on a static line will create more force, you didnt have to correct yourself!!!
Its the same reason cars now have crumple zones. If you can extend the time it takes to bring a car (or climber) to a stop, it will take a smaller peak force to do so.
Yeah what I realized was the force is still there potentially. But the right rope can dissipate it. If that makes sense 🤔
In QLD australia we use a rope called tendon for our rescue ropes
The green is to know what year the rope was made they change the colors every year
I actually just purchased this EXACT rope in 8/23 from Amazon to keep in my office bldg (15th floor) as a just-in-case emergency rope. 🤦🏾♂️ too late to return…
Might work as a one time use lol it’s in no way a workhorse rope but you better know how to properly anchor it and rap with it. Practice.
Yeah buddy. Great video.