I'm pretty sure Shota is a visual categorization just like how Loli is. She's getting pretty deep into the tag meta though with the whole Conan thing and made me realize she's mirroring the "500 year old vampire loli" discussion.
@@shadowcyberdemon8776 that means you can't mix shouta and shounen. If u mix it, it will make another genre. Take banana as shouta for example. If u mix up with apple(shounen), it won't be banana juice. But it will be mixed juice. It supposed to be a new genre. Not shouta. Get it?
Suisei: "It's not about their age, it's about that moment..." Chris Hansen: "What do you mean by 'that moment'?" Suisei: "Um...you see...shota and shonen are different..."
Yeah, exactly. Tbh, I don't really care about the age of consent, as long as the girl is around my age group, like 5 years younger (minimum 17 years old) or older, I'm getting that bussy.
Arguably it's even worse since the 500 year old dragon who just looks like an under age girl implies the girl is at least old enough to consent (ignoring things like differing rates of mental maturity) this is "actually he's a highschooler in the body of a gradeschooler"
It's her innosence mindset. That makes her look like having the kink for the accomplishment rather than being attrackted to them. Such people might approach the juveniles differntly. And that sounds rather predatory. I wonder if she has a tracking ankle bracelet.
@@MrMagnetron2 Shounen are about 12-18, so there's a bit of overlap with ephebophilia, as well as hebephilia which would cover the age range of around 11-17. 11-14 is hebephile and 15-17 is ephebophile. Regardless, they're all illegal.
"Shota and shounen are different, OK? Listen, if you mix a banana and an apple, you don't get banana juice right? It's like that." Suisei. I love you. I would MARRY you. But........ what?
@@KraljHD The age of consent may be 13 in japan, but it only applies on minor to minor relationships, if you're an adult, is still illegal to date or have sexual relationships with someone underage.
@@MiguelitoJimz Age of consent is complicated in Japan. 13 is a national default, but each prefecture sets their own, for the most part it's 18. And about the minor to minor relationships. In some parts of Japan, parents have control over their childrens ability to consent until I think I heard up to 21 in one place. Simply put. 13 is not the age of consent, as a general rule just assume it's 18, the parents consent thing isn't used too much by parents.
LOL. I kinda wish her model has an eyebrow pointing downwards face so we can see how serious she is with this subject. XD Oh nevermind there it is. 0:50
"shounen is like when they still have the innocence of their shota moment, but have set a foot outside into the adulthood, THAT'S THE MOMENT" me: so Sui-chan likes her bois innocent for her to corrupt, but not with a kid's body. got it.
"its the period of the "miraculous moment" when they were a step into losing a portion of their childhood purity that makes a shounen." Sui-chan.. isnt thats like saying there's a way to make any shotas a shounen...?
Sui-chan's energy in this clip reminds me of that bit from Nourin where the dude rationalizes being a lolicon as having strong paternal instincts. Only those in too deep can give such elaborate, passionate explanations.
I feel for you Suisei, but FBI-kun would still strike me even if I called underage teens shoujo instead of loli, so gender equality still tells me to call you shotacon anyways 😂
I honestly feel like her. I used to call myself a shotacon but the "shota" that I like are not really shota. I like cute boys not kids. You know like in Genshin Impact? The shota who are more shounen than shota, that my type, just like characters like Hinata in Haikyuu or Nagisa from free (but whithout the muscles), or Toshiro Hitsugaya (with his last haircut he looks so handsome) or Kirito (even more in his Gun gale design)
Wait... is this Hoshimachi Suisei... the idol... talking about liking boys? Someone's blood pressure will get pretty high today For references, shonen range is from 12 to 18 years old, so middle schoolers still enter Suisei's range... not a shotacon... sure...
So this is the Suisei they know 4 years ago huh? This should be reminded to Suisei herself. 😂 Suisei just dug her own grave even further after the Shinji bit.
All i got from this was that she likes them innocent because she wants to be the one that takes their innocent away. Oh and it's not about their age or looks, it's about how mature they are up there. Truly a woman of culture worth simping over.
![[ENG SUB] Hoshimachi Suisei - Sui-chan forgets to turn off her mic and starts to hum cutely.](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KiVaDki7u8M/mqdefault.jpg)
![[ENG SUB] Hoshimachi Suisei - Sui-chan forgets to turn off her mic and starts to hum cutely.](/img/tr.png)
"Shounen and Shota are different!"
That's something a Shota-con would say.
She's like Akina from Nijisanji describing the difference between a Brat and a Shota but what's weird Akina's a guy
What does "cute knees" mean?
Let's be real here. "Shounen-con" is just the "step-sister" for shotacon. Ya like young boys. Deal with it.
the 7 year loli bay be young but if she thinks like an 18 its a shoujo not a loli:
this would be the direct comparison of what she said
True.
Yes officer. this virtual youtuber right here.
@raynaldo arlen k.eman the onee-san is in that room
Run, strange girl, run through the window! I will stop them!
@raynaldo arlen k.eman russians dont surrender
“It’s not about the age, it’s about the moment”
-Hoshimachi Suisei
Officer: “This one?....
nice!”
Look at this blue tetris shotacon thing
You forgot the psychopath part
Blue tetris psychopath idol thing
@@bananalore8398 she's also a thief and recently a hitwoman.
You left out 'Axe wielding' at the beginning
"Blue tetris shotacon..." Sometimes I regret the name I've chosen.
"I like 'em old enough to breed, but small enough to easily overpower."-- Hoshimachi Suisei
....... too accurate.
Yep. She's a top alright
Holy hell this woman is scary.
life's biggest bruh moments
Fucking hilarious...
2:05 “it’s like they’re about to lose their innocence...”
You don’t want to explain it that way
I'm pretty sure that's *exactly* what she's going for tho lmao
"They're about to lose their innocence... BECAUSE I'M ABOUT TO TAKE IT!"
Lawyer-kun: "Chotto matte! STOP! STOP!"
YAMETEKUDASTOP!
They're about to lose their innocence.
And _she's_ gonna take it.
@@matchesburn "CEASE!"
So did I just watch a girl argue saying “I like underaged boys but not THAT underaged”
yes i believe so
Age of consent in Japan is like 14
Basically, i like 14 year olds not 10 year olds
well, if they are underaged, they ain legal mate
@@adlv5832 Not really. Every prefecture has it much higher. And even then, it'd be something like "with another teen" not with some adult.
Last time I told the cops that "she may look like she's a kid, but she has a mind of an adult" it didn't go very well.
Not even the mind of an adult but of a teen
It will never go well anyways
This comment reminds me about that "manga" with a smol girl said "I'm twenty"
@@Smurfi21 I have nutted to that many times
@@KazeAkiyama ah I see, you're man of culture as well
I'm pretty sure Shota is a visual categorization just like how Loli is. She's getting pretty deep into the tag meta though with the whole Conan thing and made me realize she's mirroring the "500 year old vampire loli" discussion.
She kinda dig herself into a hole with the Conan thing.
@@Tremulousnut Isn't Conan actually Highschool aged despite looking like that?
@@shadowthelegend100 He's in his 30's I think.
Conan's age is highschool guy's age
But still. It's that 1000 years old fox loli argument over again
Still a loli/shotacon
@@handlesareworseusernames I don't know if they have changed it, but last time I knew, wasn't it 13, actually?
Not gonna lie, her Shinji argument was pretty good. Then she started talking about Kazuma nd Conan...
"her Shinji argument was pretty good"
*FBI, OPEN UP!*
Conan is 7 years old so
Suisei is shotacon without a doubt
I guess? Once she said "they have some innocence" i kinda couldnt help but laugh. Shinji is kind of a fucker.
She could've just said she liked Shinichi in his usual teenager body god damn it lmao
Well wouldn’t call Evangelion shonen
"They've only had a taste of the heartlessness of this world."
*uses Shinji as an example*
Shinji hasn't had a taste, he's had the entire platter
And desert
@@fv8399 Frozen yogurt to be precise.
The guy experienced the entire fucking buffet, dessert included.
He had the entire damn kitchen lmao
*spoiler*
Maybe that's why he became gay with a guy he met 10 minutes earlier lmao
She started off so clear with her message and then all fell apart when she used examples
Lmao true.
Mixed juice......
The Shinji example was right on the money, but after that, downhill.
@@shadowcyberdemon8776 that means you can't mix shouta and shounen. If u mix it, it will make another genre.
Take banana as shouta for example. If u mix up with apple(shounen), it won't be banana juice. But it will be mixed juice.
It supposed to be a new genre. Not shouta.
Get it?
so basically she likes submissive skinny boys who are in the 14-16 year old range
1:44 Suisei closing her eyes to channel all her Shounen Knowledge
Mhm
Imagine her family watching this clip on TV in the living room.
imagine being her shounen cousin watching this
Suisei: *basically says she likes adolescents*
Cousin: "uh oh im in danger"
jk, but still
"That's my girl!"
-Suisei's Dad, probably
Shounen relative: *Sweating profusely*
Stepbrother: im in danger
She be saying "I'm not a shotacon, it's called early access!".
"Old enough to seed, old enough to breed."
PumpJack McGee can’t argue with that logic
@@pumpjackmcgee4267 Wow, that actually makes sense.
Actually this is either Alpha or Beta Access
Not alpha test but beta test.....?
Suisei: Im not a shotacon
Also Suisei: So anyways there's this shota that I like
The girls being called a pedo. We have reached true gender equality
@0-KINGSLOTH-0 I mean there's Toya who's a straight up lolicon
@@PositiviteaTheFirst there's also Shigure Ui who REALLY loves high school girls
Then there's Saegusa Akina who's a shotocon th-cam.com/video/L13o5JC7YOU/w-d-xo.html
Yeah, I mean there's Matsuri from the same company lol.
Kazuma is surely indeed proud
Imagine being a kid going through puberty then suddenly you hear a "hihihihi" sound
@Jesse Quarnstrom PO PO PO PO PO...
PO PO POLNAREFFUUUUUU.
In my case I would lose a shit, because there's an urban legend ghost with that laugh
@@sirlosealot2597 isnt that legend about hachishaku sama, I read about it somewhere.
Hola ninõs
Suisei: "It's not about their age, it's about that moment..."
Chris Hansen: "What do you mean by 'that moment'?"
Suisei: "Um...you see...shota and shonen are different..."
"The moment you see a banana is a banana, and apple are Apple. And when the are mix there is Not an Apple and a banana, but sex"
@raynaldo arlen k.eman To be fair, not all countries have a legal age of 18 👀
Good one
@@ChangedNames yes. in here, its 12.
@@mikayari185 yooooooo so imma needa know where you live 😇🙏
Suisei: I'm not a shotacon!!
Matsuri: Yea I like my boys 10 - 12 years old
*girls
remind us to never let fubuki or suisei near the middle school boy's locker room
@@mellamojeff458 ah geez fubuki’s a shotacon too?!
@@eqqsquizitine3027 search the haiku stream where her context to the haikus are very very bad
@@mellamojeff458 lmao like the haiku by itself is beautiful then boom a random shota and a scary fox watching
Guys, she’s not a Shotacon, she’s just a Beta-Tester.
Nah fam she's a BEATER
Thats sound even worst
Everyone arrest him
@@franc8023 It'd be worse if it said alpha-tester
@@Lianpe98
alpha >>> alpha male
Beta >>> beta male
Nah
Ladies and Gentlemen, we got her.
So what she be sayin' is, she wants to take away the shonen's last shred of innocence.
yup
@@ryanyap2807 virginity is a sign of innocence... for you genetal at leasy
Ah, Suisei talking quite passionately about teen boys losing their innocence. Just another day in the Holohouse
"People talk *loud* when they wanna sound smart, right?"
Suisei: "CORRECT"
That Conan argument is literally the "I know she looks like a child but she is actually a 700 yo dragon/vampire/zombie" just with genders reversed
progress
The monogatari pfp is perfect for this statement
Yeah, exactly. Tbh, I don't really care about the age of consent, as long as the girl is around my age group, like 5 years younger (minimum 17 years old) or older, I'm getting that bussy.
@@halamadruuid2380 "bussy"
You sure you're after girls? :D
Cartoons do not look like children
Her Conan example sounds just like the 500 year old loli argument XD
Still, I love how even she realized she's just digging her own hole even more
Arguably it's even worse since the 500 year old dragon who just looks like an under age girl implies the girl is at least old enough to consent (ignoring things like differing rates of mental maturity) this is "actually he's a highschooler in the body of a gradeschooler"
Shinichi is 15 years old, atleast thats what the sub says in the episode, where he shrank
El Escolta Either way, they are all fictional, so nothing wrong with that
"I'm an ephebophile, not a pedophile!" -Suisei 2020
Props for vocabulary, have my like :)
I see you too are a man of culture for understanding the difference
Holy shit that makes sense.
Is this a mumkey refference?
@ｋｙｓ Still there's a difference between those two words.
"I'm not psychopath." "I'm not shotacon." Okay suisei, what's next?
She didn't spend time in Jail
"I'm not that good at Tetris"
@@MINICUBANT I believe she said that and completely destroyed Haachama afterwards.
@@binhhoangbapham7231 She said that when she after dueling against the second world's best tetris player.
@@MINICUBANT While simultaneously talking to chat which had the world's number 1 player in it. This woman I tell ya...
Should have translated the "yoroshiku" as "thanks for coming to my ted talk"
This is the same as a male disputing the differences between an older and a younger sister.
Older: THICC, Ara Ara
Younger: BOARD, Onii-chan
Like at "URUHA RUSHIA" right?
Alternate Title: Virtual Hebephile Suisei argues semantics, somehow makes shounen-con sound even worse.
It's her innosence mindset. That makes her look like having the kink for the accomplishment rather than being attrackted to them. Such people might approach the juveniles differntly. And that sounds rather predatory. I wonder if she has a tracking ankle bracelet.
"But what if the child consents though?"
- Hochimachi Suisei
Wait, where is that from?
@@hhhhmmmmmm I don't think it's from anything, just an old ancap joke.
Oh, i thought she actually said that, never mind then...
wasnt it from sargon?
@@Justic_ even if the child is "educated enough", whatever that's supposed to mean, they are never mature enough
Agreed
Shoujo and loli are different
One is illegal
The other is a little bit less illegal
moshi moshi keitzatsu desca? :u
もしもし,
警察ですか?
Fateh 037 もしもし、
FBIですか？
People care a lot about one and a lot less about the other.
It's fine if they're older than me
0:39 love how she changes her expression
0:45 and again lol
I think Shinji Ikari has had more than "a taste of the heartlessness of the world."
I kinda get it, shounen are more like teens/pre-teens, while shota are little kids.
I'm still gonna call her a shotacon because it's funny tho.
Ngl it is.
Shota are like the opposite of loli. Basically either little kids, or people with stunted growth (so they look like kids).
She’s a Hebephile not a pedophile
Both are equally illegal though
Bruh, a short 22yo girl is still called a loli tho
@@MrMagnetron2 Shounen are about 12-18, so there's a bit of overlap with ephebophilia, as well as hebephilia which would cover the age range of around 11-17. 11-14 is hebephile and 15-17 is ephebophile.
Regardless, they're all illegal.
She's a little confused, but shes got the spirit.
"It's not about their age, it's about that moment"
same argument like "age is just a number" lol
"Shota and shounen are different, OK? Listen, if you mix a banana and an apple, you don't get banana juice right? It's like that."
Suisei. I love you. I would MARRY you. But........ what?
You're already too old.
@@GeorgeMonet how did you know?
@@GeorgeMonet that moment when your actually too young -_-
Shes just saying "Im a shotacon but not that much, I swear!"
Suisei: reasons I'm not the straight version of matsuri
XD
Probably the straightest out of homolive
あきら I would say that Coco is the straightest so far.
Sergio Ortiz no she’s touched Marine and the whole stream was gay
あきら sauce if you don't mind...
Its like trying to find a way out from a certain bureau that Legal loli and Loli are different
that's right!!!!
Lmao, perfect example.
This is the female version of "I'm not a pedophile, I'm a hebephile."
ephebophile is the word you're looking for, and yeahhhh its still underage no matter how you slice it lol
@@romannasuti25 In the US.
@@KraljHD The age of consent may be 13 in japan, but it only applies on minor to minor relationships, if you're an adult, is still illegal to date or have sexual relationships with someone underage.
@@MiguelitoJimz Age of consent is complicated in Japan. 13 is a national default, but each prefecture sets their own, for the most part it's 18. And about the minor to minor relationships. In some parts of Japan, parents have control over their childrens ability to consent until I think I heard up to 21 in one place.
Simply put. 13 is not the age of consent, as a general rule just assume it's 18, the parents consent thing isn't used too much by parents.
@@romannasuti25 in the us heck some parts of the us I heard it is legal
Alright to play devils advocate, I bet most people here and in that chat think that the MHA cast is attractive when they are all 15
mirko is more my type but you have a point
True
This. As long as we are talking about fictional characters, it's fine.
.... well I’m 16 sooo......
point and set for Canadian Guy
Coming back to this after a year feels nostalgic...
>completely understand her argues
>completely confused about the mixed juice
I think its a point about it being best of both worlds.
"I'm not a pedo, I just prefer jailbait"
not a great argument there, sui-chan.
I'm pretty sure she's jail bait herself currently. so I call safeu. lol
@@psionx1 She is in her last year of high school, so should be 18.
I think the age of consent in japan is a bit lower than most countries
@@primalknight it ain't.
@@channingcheese2 it's 13 in japan is it not
LOL. I kinda wish her model has an eyebrow pointing downwards face so we can see how serious she is with this subject. XD
Oh nevermind there it is. 0:50
Yep.
3:30
Alright. Time for the FBI to kick down the door any time now
"Age is just a number"
-Everyone before door get striked
Ladies and gentlemen, we got 'em.
"shounen is like when they still have the innocence of their shota moment, but have set a foot outside into the adulthood, THAT'S THE MOMENT"
me: so Sui-chan likes her bois innocent for her to corrupt, but not with a kid's body.
got it.
She seemed fine with Conan's body.
@Koholos "oh so this is what my daughter does, she's definitely my daughter"
-her father
@Koholos epic
omg she pulled the "um actually its called ephebophilia" card lmao
DOES THIS MEAN I HAVE A CHANCE😭🙏⁉️
Remember that this will probably be played, on extra loud volume, in the Hoshimachi household.
And it will be played again at the trial...
"Yes, this is definitely my child"
"its the period of the "miraculous moment" when they were a step into losing a portion of their childhood purity that makes a shounen."
Sui-chan.. isnt thats like saying there's a way to make any shotas a shounen...?
Sui-chan's energy in this clip reminds me of that bit from Nourin where the dude rationalizes being a lolicon as having strong paternal instincts.
Only those in too deep can give such elaborate, passionate explanations.
Agreed
she's totally drooling the whole time she's saying this
oh she knows her audience.
*Shounens all over the world: Why do I hear boss music?*
So basically, as long as she likes that shota, it's shounen. Point taken.
"When you mix a banana with an apple, you get mixed juice instead of an apple juice. And that's why Conan is not a shota and is OK to lewd!!"
???????
i loved this vid, i think the details of shounen was beautiful. one part innocent and one with understanding the hardships of adult life. Miraculous
Suisei: "im not a shotacon"
Me: *sad shota noises*
But i want have onee-san like suisei-chan :3
Where i can buy conan's shrink drug?
Ara ara
Ara ara
Ara ara
*T H I C C*
We all want to get ara-ara'ed by sui-chan
Me at the beginning:
OK, I think I get it.
Me at the end:
*[Drinkable confusion]*
I can’t help but think of Satou Kazuma when she mentioned the name Kazuma.
Oh god.
I mean He is in the shounen range
Djonk Djujang haha she’s a cultured girl
The more the video progresses the more she sounds like shes in denial hahaha i love it
A few of her examples made some sense, but the detective conan one was basically "you're mature for your age"
I feel for you Suisei, but FBI-kun would still strike me even if I called underage teens shoujo instead of loli, so gender equality still tells me to call you shotacon anyways 😂
thank you for coming to my ted talk
*"Y O R O K O B E, S H O U N E N"*
I love this defensive explanation, lol. Just embrace your degeneracy already. As long as you're not harming real people I don't really care.
"Half of her innocence"
Shinji: "Are you sure about that?"
Lol imagine her mom and dad just watching her describe the difference between shota and shonen
the mom be cursing in english tho
"i'm not a Shotacon!"
[Press X for Doubt]
Imagine my boi Touya explaining this kind of stuff.. lmao
Oh boy, that would be a hell of a trip.
I love mental gymnastics in the morning
I honestly feel like her. I used to call myself a shotacon but the "shota" that I like are not really shota.
I like cute boys not kids. You know like in Genshin Impact? The shota who are more shounen than shota, that my type, just like characters like Hinata in Haikyuu or Nagisa from free (but whithout the muscles), or Toshiro Hitsugaya (with his last haircut he looks so handsome) or Kirito (even more in his Gun gale design)
.... so what you're saying is you're a shotacon? trololol.
@@dovecushymarry Why are you under a hololive clip?
"Shounen and Shota are different" Sure they are honey...sure they are.
Sure..
There is a difference... whether or not it helps your argument is another story lol
@@Xyris64 its still illegal
dark miku yup, its indeed still illegal
Elio
Wait... is this Hoshimachi Suisei... the idol... talking about liking boys?
Someone's blood pressure will get pretty high today
For references, shonen range is from 12 to 18 years old, so middle schoolers still enter Suisei's range... not a shotacon... sure...
its still not ok
@@yokai1235 It was sarcasm
@@MiguelitoJimz i know you're was but hers wasn't
Oh im still in her range
Pretty sure Conan isn't a real person.
"It's not about their age, it's about that moment"
Yeah yeah Suisei, it's what lolicon/shotacon would say
So this is the Suisei they know 4 years ago huh? This should be reminded to Suisei herself. 😂
Suisei just dug her own grave even further after the Shinji bit.
All i got from this was that she likes them innocent because she wants to be the one that takes their innocent away. Oh and it's not about their age or looks, it's about how mature they are up there.
Truly a woman of culture worth simping over.
The doujin is writing themself
Typical shotacon denial.
It's like arguing with a cop by saying that she's actually 1000 y/o vampire with a body of a 10 y/o child
I wonder how this will work out when we create anti-aging technology and people are born that age at 1/2 or 1/4th the normal rate.
Yes, officer. This blue comet right here.
Ahhh yes. Thank you for educating me on this subject.
0:47 Holy crap that expression is so CUTE
it IS cute...but i also thought it was a bit hot lmao
She was having a good argument... Then she used as example the banana juice...
She basically explains what teenage girls like about Boybands starting at the part with Shinji.
Oh boi remember her talking about her cousin who found out about her being a vtuber i like where. This is going
For real it's fine as long as it's anime and not irl
3:23 idk my FBI agent tells me something else
Imagine if this was a man saying he doesn't like lolis but middle school and high school girls
It's not any better in my opinion
I mean you *are* describing the overwhelming majority of weebs because that age group is also the one the overwhelming majority of anime girls are in
shes not talking about the ethics of it bro, she's just otakuing about definitions of what she likes
@@mochimochi4179 we need more milfs in anime smh
@@rchvst01 we need more milfs who aren't thicc as fuck. I like thicc, but we need some diversity. Where are the skinny milfs.
@@rchvst01 Big tiddy milfs is life. Lolis can get the hell out.
Hoshimachi Suisei is speaking my language, truly an advocate of my cause.
When she gets mad like this it makes hard to believe that she sings all those beautiful songs
She's perfect for me
3:01
that really sounds like subaru's yell