Dr. Grout isnt the skeleton in the bed. If you unlock the door left and go through the maze, instead of going right through the dungeons, you will reach a point where you pass by many mannequins that 2 seconds later are all aranged facing you and right behind you. It takes mastery at both celerity and obfuscate to achieve that. He is still there, screwing around. He was the malkavian primogen, he knew they were coming for him as is evident from his recordings, he has auspex and dementation which means he sees it coming, he can hear and smell you through the walls and hears voices and has visions that warn him. He has celerity to move faster than the eye can see and obuscate which allow him to move around while invizible or take on the appearance of anyone. Theres no way he got ganked in his bed while watching "Friends". What about that "faustian bargain" he had to make ? With whom? Kuei-Jin ? Sabbat ? Inconu ? Lacroix's rivals ? We dont know. We know he was the malkavian primogen, and the primogen are the smarter vampires behind the princes of the Camarilla. And this one was the primogen who knew Lacroix was playing everyone and plotting with the Kuei-Jin.
There's also the long-standing theory involving skeleton in the bed. Even accepting the explanations that devs did not have to follow lore to the letter and no other vampire despite their age leaves even skeletal remains, it serves only as a proof the death was faked. By the standard established within game itself, no vampire leaves any evidence of it's passing, save for the ashes - and suddenly, Dr. Grout is the only one who left behind himself a skeleton. It would appear he struck a bargain - perhaps with the Kuei-Jin, since it was Ming Xiao who was hired by LaCroix to kill Dr. Grout. She allowed him to leave, and left behind a fake skeleton, knowing it'll be a young and inexperienced kindred who'd be sent to confirm the doctors death - so inexperienced they would be fooled by it and accept it as the obvious sign that doctor had died.
I cracked up at that part too. The entire monolog is just spectacular. This is why I always pick world building an story over graphics. Stuff like this is what makes the game feel alive an halve depth. Sure nice graphics are great and help make the game feel alive too but they cannot substitute for great dialog an story.
@@bufalosan Oh, there's a speech, all right, and it takes a good, long while before it loops. I squatted outside the conference room's door (the one that Bruno bursts through when it's time for action) and listened to the whole thing while I was playing through with my Tremere! 🙂
@David Jones It's proven that many normal things throughout people's day such as stress, anxiety and more pernicious things like triggers are down to chemicals and physical connections in the brain. Psychology doesn't examine these. It examines the superficial things and tries, sometimes successfully but mostly not, to try and have the patient control these behaviors. Freud and Lacan were specifically focused on treatment within their own times without the technology to observe the brain in detail, and therefore tried to judge the nature of the mind through subconscious mental forces such as the Id (unattained desires) and et cetera. But if you look at case examples of Lacanian psychotherapy, you can tell that these were mostly just general concepts to apply in therapy. Almost like a rulebook for mental training. With advances in neuroscience, that will bring about the greatest successes in mental healthcare. If you want the school of 'psychology' that deals with this, look up Behaviorism.
This reminds me strongly of The Great Divorce, where one of the ghosts in purgatory is lamenting that the art movement he was a part of would never have gone out of style if all its adherents hadn't died. When the protagonist points out that thats true of everything the artist ghost gets mad and insists that its different in his case.
When it comes to 'the one he shall not name', I originally thought that Grout's killer was Grunfeld Bach. I then thought through Grout's initial descriptions of the "one powerful vampire" he was terrified of and thought it was Cain; but, no, Cain never held any political office in L.A.'s branch of the Camarilla - THAT was LaCroix.
Grout saw what Sebastian hid deep within. The madness of being surrounded by enemies and power to take them on but a breath out of his grasp. With a hunger to do anything to obtain it.
which is funny because if you play as a Malkavian he call Lacroix ¨the jester¨ but them again our version of Malkavian seems to have a level of clairvoyance in his/her madness to the point he/she even spoiled the game in several chances with the things he say
I had a headcannon about the "John" that's mentioned. What if this "John" gnawed off his arm and eventually escaped the mansion altogether, only to eventually change his name and become a seller of prosthetics?
10:04 "...dark whisperings of a *_macabre and formless_* menace, the approach of which portends an end, an end to all of this!" Wait a second. Ming Xiao killed Alistair Grout at Sebastian LaCroix's behest. Ming Xiao is a shapeshifter with Flesh Shintai. Her true form (if she even has a true form anymore)? A large, watery, *formless* blob which you can cut apart to turn into more blobs. And "macabre" means dead...or UNdead. Grout saw Ming Xiao coming and he knew who sent her to kill him! *_WHY HAVE I NEVER PICKED THIS UP BEFORE?_*
What kind of ‘sane’ Malkavian locks his wife away in a crystal tube? Not to mention the amount of crazy ghouls he creates in order to satisfy his nostalgia for the insane asylums he ran and find an nonexistent cure for something that is clearly supernatural, alas something that’s out of science’s reach. I’m still fascinated by him though, he’s clearly highly educated and an intellectual to the core. Insane, but smart nonetheless. A mad scientist!
He is very close in portrayal to Doctor Douglas Netchurch, expert on vampire physiology and a Malkavian. His insanity is a complete scientific detachment and inability to accept any supernatural thing happening around him. For example, True Faith for him is mortals emmiting specific brain waves which hurt vampires who are much more attuned to them. Something along these lines at least. :P
Doctor Grout is easily one of my three favorite characters in the whole game, which is quite an achievement given that he never appears onscreen. I really hope maybe he'll turn up in some ancillary work if the upcoming Bloodlines 2 ends up being successful, unlikely though this is in the current post-Gamergate climate of the struggle game industry.
I'm fairly certain it's a made-up word, as I could only find results from bloodlines about it; however, if I had to guess, maybe dacto = dactyl = fingers? No idea on the -pindalism part, though.
What a waste he would have been amazing to talk to in game especially as a Malkavian
i was really excited to meet him, especially as a malkavian myself. Ah well...
the fact that dr. grout and arthur kilpatrick have the same voice actor is still baffling to me. fantastic performance.
:O
The key master and the chess master
Really?? Wow
No shit? Didn’t even know it was the same guy
@@abeladam5997Me rn wtfff
Dr. Grout isnt the skeleton in the bed. If you unlock the door left and go through the maze, instead of going right through the dungeons, you will reach a point where you pass by many mannequins that 2 seconds later are all aranged facing you and right behind you. It takes mastery at both celerity and obfuscate to achieve that. He is still there, screwing around. He was the malkavian primogen, he knew they were coming for him as is evident from his recordings, he has auspex and dementation which means he sees it coming, he can hear and smell you through the walls and hears voices and has visions that warn him. He has celerity to move faster than the eye can see and obuscate which allow him to move around while invizible or take on the appearance of anyone. Theres no way he got ganked in his bed while watching "Friends". What about that "faustian bargain" he had to make ? With whom? Kuei-Jin ? Sabbat ? Inconu ? Lacroix's rivals ? We dont know. We know he was the malkavian primogen, and the primogen are the smarter vampires behind the princes of the Camarilla. And this one was the primogen who knew Lacroix was playing everyone and plotting with the Kuei-Jin.
Adds up.
Good theory, but since when Malks have Celerity?
vamps can learn physical disciplines albiet with extra cost since its out of clan.
There's also the long-standing theory involving skeleton in the bed. Even accepting the explanations that devs did not have to follow lore to the letter and no other vampire despite their age leaves even skeletal remains, it serves only as a proof the death was faked.
By the standard established within game itself, no vampire leaves any evidence of it's passing, save for the ashes - and suddenly, Dr. Grout is the only one who left behind himself a skeleton.
It would appear he struck a bargain - perhaps with the Kuei-Jin, since it was Ming Xiao who was hired by LaCroix to kill Dr. Grout.
She allowed him to leave, and left behind a fake skeleton, knowing it'll be a young and inexperienced kindred who'd be sent to confirm the doctors death - so inexperienced they would be fooled by it and accept it as the obvious sign that doctor had died.
late reply, but none of that is vanilla
"Damn it all, now I'm doing it too."
I could listen to this guy all day.
I cracked up at that part too. The entire monolog is just spectacular. This is why I always pick world building an story over graphics. Stuff like this is what makes the game feel alive an halve depth. Sure nice graphics are great and help make the game feel alive too but they cannot substitute for great dialog an story.
Ah yes, the blissful gurgling of the lobotomised
XD Grout is great!
The dialogue in this game is so well written
I am no longer here.
The body leaves, my mind follow
"My glass is very cracked yet very very clean"
Since no one has uploaded Bruno's speech at Giovanni mansion, I'm gonna do that. Some interesting things about the sarcophagus there.
Oh my! That's wonderful :) I want to listen to it!
Yes please!!
Still waiting on that video ;)
there was a speech? my brujah ass went for the kill straight ahead lmao
@@bufalosan Oh, there's a speech, all right, and it takes a good, long while before it loops. I squatted outside the conference room's door (the one that Bruno bursts through when it's time for action) and listened to the whole thing while I was playing through with my Tremere! 🙂
Love listening to Grout and the Deb of night on an mp3 player, at night going to sleep pretending it's all real 8D
i - must - learn - this - accent
The jabs at Freud were AWESOME. Dude was a quack.
@Afqwa Yeah but one of them is a prophetic psychic crazy vampire. So he's got that going for him.
The line between madness and genius is a fine one. I highly doubt that a simple "quack" would impact the psicology as much as he does this day
@Afqwa But his manner of speaking is far more entertaining then Freud
@@GabrielRodrigues-xs6jp Psychology is a psuedoscience.
@David Jones It's proven that many normal things throughout people's day such as stress, anxiety and more pernicious things like triggers are down to chemicals and physical connections in the brain. Psychology doesn't examine these. It examines the superficial things and tries, sometimes successfully but mostly not, to try and have the patient control these behaviors. Freud and Lacan were specifically focused on treatment within their own times without the technology to observe the brain in detail, and therefore tried to judge the nature of the mind through subconscious mental forces such as the Id (unattained desires) and et cetera. But if you look at case examples of Lacanian psychotherapy, you can tell that these were mostly just general concepts to apply in therapy. Almost like a rulebook for mental training.
With advances in neuroscience, that will bring about the greatest successes in mental healthcare. If you want the school of 'psychology' that deals with this, look up Behaviorism.
This reminds me strongly of The Great Divorce, where one of the ghosts in purgatory is lamenting that the art movement he was a part of would never have gone out of style if all its adherents hadn't died. When the protagonist points out that thats true of everything the artist ghost gets mad and insists that its different in his case.
1:46 Another unfortunate casualty to tide of time; insane asylums.
Fucking LOL
There's only a fine line between genius and madness ... ;)
When it comes to 'the one he shall not name', I originally thought that Grout's killer was Grunfeld Bach. I then thought through Grout's initial descriptions of the "one powerful vampire" he was terrified of and thought it was Cain; but, no, Cain never held any political office in L.A.'s branch of the Camarilla - THAT was LaCroix.
Grout saw what Sebastian hid deep within. The madness of being surrounded by enemies and power to take them on but a breath out of his grasp. With a hunger to do anything to obtain it.
which is funny because if you play as a Malkavian he call Lacroix ¨the jester¨ but them again our version of Malkavian seems to have a level of clairvoyance in his/her madness to the point he/she even spoiled the game in several chances with the things he say
It goes without saying.
Sadly,
Malkavians have knowledge they should not know but do anyway.
I had a headcannon about the "John" that's mentioned. What if this "John" gnawed off his arm and eventually escaped the mansion altogether, only to eventually change his name and become a seller of prosthetics?
Ironically he failed to perceive the real threat in his life: LaCroix.
What a performance. 👏
I feel like this is how Stephen Fry-turned vampire would sound like
Dude this guy would have had some good quests
hello, Garithos and wow human male voice actor!
I just cant stop listening to it for 3 days already. I think i might go a little insane and learn it by heart)
+Женя Шатуха Well that would be pretty cool in fact :)
My favourite part of this quest is listening to these recordings.
Only some can handle our blessing Grout, you should have taken advantage if it brother of the broken mind.
Depends on how you define "handle."
been looking everywhere for the audio! theres something about it, iv been listening to this on loop, its now 3am...
This segment of the game reminds me of Psychonauts.
how true about freud :)
Oh shit, that's Garithos from Warcraft 3
You got it! Hahaha
and the hotel owner from john wick, least that's what I thought anyway
Grout was awesome.
10:04 "...dark whisperings of a *_macabre and formless_* menace, the approach of which portends an end, an end to all of this!"
Wait a second. Ming Xiao killed Alistair Grout at Sebastian LaCroix's behest. Ming Xiao is a shapeshifter with Flesh Shintai. Her true form (if she even has a true form anymore)? A large, watery, *formless* blob which you can cut apart to turn into more blobs. And "macabre" means dead...or UNdead.
Grout saw Ming Xiao coming and he knew who sent her to kill him! *_WHY HAVE I NEVER PICKED THIS UP BEFORE?_*
A phrenologist doesn’t really have much of a leg to stand on criticizing Freud.
Thanks. Oh yes, I loved Grout too. Though he was a Malkavian he seemed sane...
Weeping0Willow he tortured people in the name of outdated science...
@@ATurnip haven't we all? wait...
But you should know, attempting to rationalize a condition such as vampirism (or any other supernatural state, really) can be an actual derangement.
What kind of ‘sane’ Malkavian locks his wife away in a crystal tube? Not to mention the amount of crazy ghouls he creates in order to satisfy his nostalgia for the insane asylums he ran and find an nonexistent cure for something that is clearly supernatural, alas something that’s out of science’s reach. I’m still fascinated by him though, he’s clearly highly educated and an intellectual to the core. Insane, but smart nonetheless. A mad scientist!
He is very close in portrayal to Doctor Douglas Netchurch, expert on vampire physiology and a Malkavian. His insanity is a complete scientific detachment and inability to accept any supernatural thing happening around him. For example, True Faith for him is mortals emmiting specific brain waves which hurt vampires who are much more attuned to them. Something along these lines at least. :P
Oh yes it really sounds like that. It took me very long to find out the song but I'm so glad I put Grout's Monologue together :)
oh thanks! i love the beggining of the song, sounds real authentic 40's orch
This game was amazing.
Doctor Grout is easily one of my three favorite characters in the whole game, which is quite an achievement given that he never appears onscreen. I really hope maybe he'll turn up in some ancillary work if the upcoming Bloodlines 2 ends up being successful, unlikely though this is in the current post-Gamergate climate of the struggle game industry.
I don't think that the creators of the next vtmb game, or even this one, really understands the characthers, story and the narrative themselves, sadly
There's only a thin line between sanity and complete madness
This game is perfection.
Imagine if Grout met Elimelech
My mind left my body will follow
My favorite mission in the game
♥ Insanity is a broken mirror inside the kooks heart ♥
Does anyone know what dactopindalism means?
I'm fairly certain it's a made-up word, as I could only find results from bloodlines about it; however, if I had to guess, maybe dacto = dactyl = fingers? No idea on the -pindalism part, though.
lucas castleberry Pind means swing and ism means process of doing something so maybe its the process of cutting someone's fingers off.
It's inspired by dactylomancy, an old belief that a ring can be used to represent a certian day/sky body.
I watched this video and have become a far more insightful individual lol
It's in the description ;)
anyone know the song at the very end?
Oh, yeah, I know what you mean. You could listen to this for hours ... or days XD His voice is amazing!
it's been a while since I played this... was it ever revealed who or what spoke to Grout and got to him in the end?
not in the game, no.
@@KingLich451 LaCroix. Of course it was LaCorix.
@@mariuszsobolewski9839 Yeah I was thinking of that, too. Probably it was
I always assumed it was Ming Xiao since she was the one who left the scene disguised as Nines
3:25
Oh you're so right! :)
4:48 hahahah... aah.
Imagine a conversation between Dr Grout and V (for vendetta) :D